The Secret Untold History of Pakistan - Aamir Mughal - Former Intelligence Officer -
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- Aamir Mughal is a Former Intelligence officer from Directorate Intelligence Bureau , Government of Pakistan and a student of History, he actively archives the history of Pakistan on Twitter.
Aamir Mughal comes on The Pakistan Experience for a tell all about the history of Pakistan, from Jinnah to Imran Khan, Aamir Mughal gets into the history of Jamaat-e-Islami, Politics, and military operations in Pakistan.
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Chapters:
0:00 intro
1:15 Aamir’s knack for history, joining the IB, Imran Khan, political Islam and its roots in Jinnah
20:16 forcing a Pakistani identity, dynastic politics, 1971 & Bangladesh
31:51 Islamic socialism, lawyers movement, Iftikhar Chaudhry, IK’s use of Islam and how Zia started it
40:18 addressing the original sim, who killed Zia, Benazir & the establishment and standing up against the military
54:49 US involvement & the Cold War, our own identity, Ardeshir Cowasjee and Twitter journalism
1:09:00 the pluralistic Karachi of old, recognizing own mistakes, IK’s constant compromises, and Musharraf
1:20:52 Hussain Haqqani, how censorship cannot work anymore, Charter of Democracy and how NAB is not needed
1:28:02 “Pakistan Khappay”, creating violence and PTI’s reaction to Imran’s arrest, establishment bating PTI and Tahir ul Qadri
1:40:15 Imran Khan’s relaunch as a move against democracy, judiciary intervening in governance, IK’s financial corruption and the media
1:50:54 The Herald, insides of journalism in Pak, TPE’s role in pushing the envelope and media not naming Malik Riaz
2:03:51 Audience Questions - Розваги
Truly an Intelligence officer; didn't reveal much, just gave dots to find our way....
Born in 67 started reading Np in 71 when in class 2... so in 4 years age was in class 2. Genius.
He exaggerated . Who reads papers in 2nd standard? He read what? Pictures? Sports? Cartoons? Horoscopes? He read ABCD in papers
tried to compile most of recommendations by aamir sahab,must have missed some and there surely are some mistakes with the names of exact books but here they are
8:20 -maulana maudadi ke saath mere rafaqat ke sarguzisht by maulana mohammed manzoor nomani
9:56 -munir report 1953
11:14 -Jinnah: His Successes, Failures and Role in History by ishtiaq ahmed
12:45 -the pakistan project :a feminist prespective on nation and identity by rubina saigol
12:56- jinnah :speeches and statements 1947-1948 by samuel martin burke
14:21 -musalman aur maujooda siyasi kashmakash by sayyed abu aala maudoodi
books on maudaudi
15:40- refutation of abu al maududi by sanaullah amritsari
book by manazir ahsan gilani
book by shayk muhammad sarwar
book by abdul majid dariyabadi
book by hussain ahmad madni
book by ashraf ali thanvi
book by yusuf banori
book by yusuf ludhianvi
book by abu al kalam azad
book by zakariya kandhalwi
17:36 column by brig ar siddiqui dawn
20:30 murder of history by k.k aziz
21:05 smug and bigoted by babar sattar in dawn
21:30 muslims against the muslim league by ali usman qasmi
25:30 from jinnah to zia by justice munir
25:30 of all those years MAK chaudry
25:30 witness to carnage by karrar ali agha
26:20 shahabnama by qudrat ullah shahab
27:45 special report parliment in chaos 1951-1958 by dawn and celebrating independence the dawn way by dawn
39:10- tafsir al tabari
-al bidaya wal nihaya
-work of ibn khaliqan
-work of ibn khaldun
39:52 sheikh muhammad salih al munajjid on writ of state
40:46 saleh al fawzan on terrorism and related issues
- the legislated jihaad & the deviation of the extremists by saleh al fawzan
43:20 kitab ul kharaj by imam abu yusuf
43:55 an affair to remember by anjum niaz
-charlie wilson’s war
44:15 who killed zia by edward jay epstein in vanity fair
47:40 east pakistan: the endgame :an onlooker’s journal 1969-1971 by a.r. siddiqi
47:40-the separation of east pakistan:the rise and realization of bengali muslim nationalism by hasan zaheer
51:50 whodunnit by anjum niaz in dawn sunday
52:10 new twist to miss jinnah controversy (news from dawn july 2003 )
53:10 pakistan ke siyasi tareek (12 volumes) by zahid chaudhry
almiya tareekh by dr mubarak ali
murder of history by k k aziz
56:30 a .r .siddiqi articles on pakistan america ties in daily times
57:20 ishtiaq hussain qureshi ,ahsan ikram and syed moin ul haq books on nationalist history of pakistan starting from ibn qasim
58:35 language and politics in pakistan and from hindi to urdu: a social and political history by tariq rahman
59:15 nawal kishore press books in urdu
a history of urdu literature by ram babu saksena
1:00:47 kiranchi wala by akhtar hussain baloch
1:01:00 gazette of pakistan and karachi
1:02:24 karachi:megacity of our times by hamida khuhro
vintage cowasjee:a selection of writing from dawn 1984-2011 by ardeshir cowasjee
1:18:10 foreign policy dynamics between 1999 and 2001 at institute of international affair
1:21:43 books of abul kalam azad
-abul kalam azad interview given to agha shorish kashmiri in 1946 for chattan magazine
1:22:10 abul kalam azad by agha shorish kashmiri
1:22:53 dolalr aid cartoon in the pakistan times on 14th december 1950
1:24:15 united nation commision report on benazir bhutto assasination
1:24:22 advice to watch jfk film to understand benazir assasination
1:51:40 empire strikes back in herald magazine 1990 by abbas nasir
1:52:18 apna gireban program by matiullah jan on dawn news 2011-2012
2:00:00 malik riaz and the art of the deal by naziha syed ali in dawn
2:09:20 tehzeebi nargasiyat by mubarak shah
2:10:24 masood sharif khattak with iftikhar ahmad in jawab deyh (12 october 2008 )
2:12:20 umar bin al-khattab: his life and times by ali al-sallabi
2:14:40 read all the historians ,do your research and make your own conclusion,on Jinnah read ishtiaq ahmad biography on jinnah ,also read jinnah: a life by yasser latif hamdani
on pakistan k k aziz,dr mubarak ali,zahid chahudary,hasan jafar zaidi
2:16:35 defence journal for military knowledge and prespective ,read hamid hussain,a .r siddiqui and tafazul hussain siddiqui articles on that
Awesome man!
Thank you good sir.
Great Effort❤
Aamir sahib is giving out more homework than all my school teachers ever did!
HAHAH and that's why we love him. Self study pe zorr dete hein
True. Using google after every 5 mins and reading different articles :))
Unfortunately getting a pakistani to read is the biggest challenge
Bro can u give me Aamir sahib's Twitter link
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This Person born in 1967 and at the age of 4 was in 2 nd standard and was reading news papers - Only one liner for this interview " This can only happen in Pakistan" I don't think that this is worth watching. However I watched it. I have released this comment after seeing this video.
I have to read more than 200 books after watching this podcast. In fact he is a very learned scholar
Same
@@ThePakistanExperienceplease do recommend a few books
Kindly recommend any books
Exam Question: Please define Newton's second law of motion.
Amir Mughal's Answer: Isaac Newton has written it. Go read it.
Congratulations on reaching 100k subscribers. Also, thank you for uploading my favourite podcast so far.
History is HIS STORY , so whoever & whenever got to change it,did it for their own benefit.
I am 69 years old. My thoughts are same as Aamir sahib. I have read all books, referred by Aamir sahib. Dr. Mubarik Ali is my favorite. I was in Port Qasim when Cawasji was appointed as Chairman, PQA. I know him, he was a different man and use to call sr. officers "Aah Saala". I have all 12 vols. Of Zahid Chaudhry. Book " Shadow of Great Game " By Narindra Sing Sarela is a very important.
Thank you for recommending Narendra Singh Sarila's book.
Salam and respect for everyone... I am really surprised after listening Amir Mughal.. He is absolutely a person to be listen and acknowledge... I felt very sad that why I couldn't listen him before... I really appreciate him and now a big fan of him....👍👍👍
Path to accomplishment is the truth you speak. This man has impressed me a lot.❤
People are commenting here just within 3-4 minutes even before watching 2 hrs 20 minutes long video😅
Pyaar hay ye sab ka
@@ThePakistanExperience I have also seen many of your videos. Toh pyaar hamara bhi hai😅😊
Mujhay do dinn ho gaye video khatam nahi hui
This guy is the brand ambassador of "goalpost shifting".
LOL
So refreshing to see a host who is actually intelligent and knows alot about what hes asking his host about. Well done sir
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A very rare find who talks sense...
Hi Shehzad, your Channel has grown so big. Please add subtitles to improve the experience even further. I am a regular viewer of your Channel. Wishes from India
Each minute of this podcast was interesting and educational. Thank you for always bringing quality content.
Bss bejèrt ho chey
I am so thankful to you. Please bring him often. Please it's a request. Sir amir is priceless. Please bring him often.
Congratulations for having the most sensible insight on Pakistan. Thank you from India
Please do a series of podcasts covering detailed history of Pakistan and how it shaped us a nation. It would be a valuable video archive for generations to have a view of real history with the shade of both sides bias.
Full and frank, brilliant to know such beautiful content is being compiled and shared. We truly need to learn from our mistakes.
I'd love to see a video on how we can come together as nation and not only take care of ourselves, but be a significant contributor to the world around us.
Tell me one Muslims country that lives as a nation they all following your Quran it's bassed on tribes where Islam comes no humanity or nation
100k subs congratulations hope you get to celebrate well!!! Excited to listen to this tonight!
All this man did for over 2 hours was give us reading assignments. Bhai that's exactly the reason why you were invited to this podcast: to answers questions you were asked, so people like us who learn through this podcast can also benefit from what you have read and your knowledge. It's either that or "main nahi bataunga"
Why not read the books he mentioned?
Hahahahahaa😂
You're smart
Shitty talks by this man, yeh sb loog jhooty hain
he doesnt want to say it because those things are very big and complex issues and he will definitely be attacked for it. he said it early on in the podcast that he doesnt want anyone to be hurt. only way to understand the ""true" history of pakistan is to read it. the history we have been told, is fake and tempered , distant from reality
There is a rumor that he was involved in arrest of Majeed Nizami???
I wish I had a friend like him❤ I would have read a lot of books❤
Well you could read books now brother
Firstly, Shezad and team, congratulations on reaching 100K. With this milestone, there is definitely a lot to celebrate and you should definitely do so - but at the same time, you should also reflect on how important your narrative of Pakistan is now becoming. As the great Stan Lee wrote in Spiderman - "With great power comes great responsibility"
I am completely at peace to know that you, Shehzad have a strong moral compass and will continue to provide a view on our political, cultural and geographic landscape that is not only backed by sound logic but also strong evidence (as you have continued to do thus far).
Also, please continue to hold your guests to a higher level of authentic statements that can be verified and don't let erroneous messages and arguments fall through the cracks.
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He didn't get your point, just so you know.😂
@@taribkhan5468ofc not he's a muslim
Feeling so lucky to listen to an original person , as far as i felt❤
Intelligent people gives u much knowledge and History is really compulsory to be remembered...
Whoa!! This is just too much knowledge to take in with just 1 time. Have to watch this video at least 3 times. Aamir Mughal Sir you're my teacher from now on.
Love it man. At 20:00 mark he solved all the basic issues of govt
Great podcast, Aamir bhai is a repository of knowledge!
I used to be one of those people too who thought he wasn't one person but multiple people operating a Twitter account. Couldn't get how one person always had so much research and clips available 😄 really liked the episode apart from all the homework projects that were given. I do agree that we should be reading more to understand things better. It is always good to listen to people who are well read and know what's going on based on what happened in the past. Loved the podcast!! Also, good on you Shehzad for calling him out whenever religion seemed to be used in an argument against someone. But I get where he was coming from. He was giving an example of what people can say because of how sensitive it is to use religion in politics. Nonetheless loved the discussion!! Listened to it over two days while driving.
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Congrats, Shahzad bhai, on reaching 100K subs. Been a subscriber since you had 19K subscribers, and wish you all the best for the future.
Aamir mughal uncle folding his hands the whole time. Explains his nervousness.
Because he’s bullshitting 😂 he sounds like an establishment apologist
He seems big talk only
He is excited
@@billumandal about what, he said lots of correct things, but for others he didn't give one reference.
Well pleased that you have reached hundredths thousands subscribers. May it go to millions. I have done my part sharing and encouraging like minded friends to join to make a force to change desperately required to bring stability it cries for. The ordinary people are suffering decision taken by elites...
This man is the epicentre of wisdom and accurate knowledge in this world of misinformation....Great work shehzad bhai plz keep it up 👏👏👏
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I don't know what I love more, your 69 jokes or the fact that none of your guest actually get these jokes
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I am still committed to the bit
@@ThePakistanExperience Kisi Mughal ka naam ya Surname Mughal nahi tha. Ye kaha ka nakli Mughal hai
@@ameya7723 dude
@@urrasscal8380 😁🤣
You both have some different opinions on some issues but the way you guys are delivering is learnable and thinkable for us thanks for sharing your thoughts ❤
Thank you for asking my question.... He seems to be no BS, straight on point man... As always loved the conversation. And shehzad bhai (that obese cousin) we love you ❤
Most interesting podcast so far. Keep doing good work.
Congrats for reaching 100k. Two hours of pure knowledge.
Shehzad i would request you to put the book references in description so that we can wish list them , you are doing an amazing job of reigniting a long lost passion (atleast mine) reading.
Where have Aamir Sahab uploaded the books that he talked about? Can we get a link and also link of other books that he talked about?
One word. Gold.
And thank you!
Please mention all books in your description with their names.
Please invite Aamir bhai again to talk about the Delhi Sultanate and later Mughal era, particularly Aurangzeb's rule.
I just had coffin dance movement in my mind when you were about to mention ISI directly instead of intelligence agencies.
Can you please start sharing links of articles, books etc that the guest shares. WOuld be appreciated.
Heard a famous name "Gaffar Khan frontier Gandhi" for probably the first time while following Pakistan for a long time. We learned about him in India in our textbooks growing up. I doubt Pakistanis know thier history as much as we do.
Well to be honest Pakistanis are more well versed in this than you guys. Ghaffar Khans family created ANP. Which was ousted by PTI and has never recovered since.
@@sajidahussain108 😂😂
@@sajidahussain108 it was ousted by the Taliban. ANP was explicitly targeted by TTP where they killed more than 1400 leaders and workers of ANP in a span of less than 4 years. Taliban used to issue warnings where they were explicitly warned them to not organize and attend political gatherings during election campaign. That reaulted in a vacuum which was then filled by PTI, which means PTI was the result of sheer violence against ANP and PPP during 2014 elections. There is a reason PTI is called TTPTI as well.
So true.ANP was being targeted and IK, so called champion of democracy, never once condemned them. No wonde he is called Taliban khan.
Good to know guys👍.
Btw, we also know a bit because he was the first non Indian to receive the Bharat Ratna.
2 hrs kay podcast pay 20 mint ma 20 comments just shows this generations attention span
Shows TPE family ka pyaar ❤
A very interesting conversation! I would like to give my two cents, as someone who was brought up by hanafis and now learning the other madhabs as an adult; Hanafi school of thought is the most narrow and least moderate out of all 4 madhabs. 🤷♀️
wow! What an amazing garden of knowledge this guy is. Amazing Amazing Podcast Shehzad. Such a breath of fresh air, some intellectual other than politicised people.
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Congrats on 100k Shezhad! This podcast has been one of the best discoveries I've come across. Been watching for 3 years. I remember when eps had Ike 5 or 6 comments and just a few likes, but the conversions were always so raw and honest, and I knew with time it would become big. Hope you always continue to keep it real and 500k will soon be on the horizon.
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OG!
Look how Gracefully BJPscknowledged defeat after KARNATAK defeat.
Even a strong leader like Modi Ji will be Congratulating CONGRESS on their win.
Thats power of Democracy.
I was rating hussain haqqani & atif mian's podcosts at the top of the list (since I had been listening to syed muzamil, hoodbhoy and dr. Ishtiaq). But this man is just 🔥... Bhai yeh banda apni archive are historical references sy bethy bethy baroo baroo ko jalaa k bhasam kar sakta hai...
Very informative, but died laughing at 1:01:45 - the guy goes from acting super duper disciplined and proper to saying THAT 😂😂😂
The man does not talk, he just quotes 😂
Ohhhh God very informative podcast, mujhy LG rha hai k may Pakistani hi NAHI hon 😂 I mean really don't know about these all, Thanks bro
Great work please make sure he's available for the next podcast.
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Extra-ordinary podcast.... I would highly request you to do more podcasts with Aamir Mughal sir (Loved this one Shehzad bhai)
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Aamir Mughal is my spirit animal. Stating dates left and right. Just loving his energy ! 😂
just like Zakir Naik -- lack of depth
@@baybars3138 Exactly! Though he is very knowledge, but I felt that he lacked analytical depth.
@@ArsalanMazhar-eb5lw yes he is so superficial
@@baybars3138 for every question he says {reference} parhlein ja ker :D
@@a145m20 he knows nobody will go read anything. So it's a way of hiding his thing
Super impressed Shehzad. I am hooked on your TPE episodes. So much to learn about Pakistan, its politics, and history and hope that things get better for us all! all the best.
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Truth and reconciliation!!!!
This is what I like the most!!!
Can we get a list of all the reading materials mentioned in this video?
I am not journalist,I am comedian it's good to know what you want😊
Thank you Shehzad for providing us such rich and delicious content... Amir sab thank you.... Watched full not missed a word...
One of the better personality you have interviewed. Talks sense and in a way that is easily understood. Get more of such guys. I must admit I skip a lot of guys who are at sea with what they think and speak and who are otherwise termed as pseudo intellectuals. Good luck.
Man, this guy is good. I am from India and am just into the first 10 minutes, and am impressed by this person. Why don't such people who are so learned go into politics?
As you said it…. He is smart that’s why he didn’t go in to politics.
@@asad-kc8zfhe lacks calibre
Must read 1880s book by Max Muller “what India can teach us”
Ohh that Aryan invasion guy 😂
Nothing short of a gem
All due respect to the guest but getting a pakistani to read is the biggest challenge
A man who is a library Amir mughal. kudos to you too shehzaad for being honest and congratulations on 100k❤
Hope everything gets on track in Pakistan 👍
Han bhai , taki zaldi se kashmir mai phir insurgency shuru ho jaye, border per seize fire cancel ho ke phir firing ho dba ke, madarsas active ho jaye, kasab phir aaye . Zaroor.
Don’t know why some fellow citizens are so dumb.
@@AB-media15true. Some Indians are showing sympathies to the wrong people
@@AB-media15 *jaldi
Brother, keep getting better, you are doing an absolutely amazing job!
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Spent almost an hour listening 🎧 to you guys. Enjoyed it.
Thankyou for this content, we really need to know real history, kids n youth these days should see both sides, unfiltered history
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At first I was angry that why he wasn't giving a definite answer and asking us to read but now I think this is the correct approach because he is asking us to form opinions ourselves and not imposing his opinions on us like Syed Muzammil and some other people do. In the latter approach, people are just kind of brain washed and their opinions are not formed on a solid basis. Ajkal ki generation ko bas har cheez instantly chahye :( Bilkul sahi kaha he k jo hamare dimagh men he wo likhna nahi chahye, bht carefully research kar ke likhna chahye. When we will read ourselves then we can disagree with him too and wouldn't be a blind follower.
@@liliths_ Are you on his payroll? All these experts with cock sure opinions shape the views of the gullible youth not people like me who can see through the fallacy of a lot of their opinions. I am studying in the US and you will teach me what philosophy is? go get a life bro!
@@liliths_ Some of the nonsense he said has been exposed by Dr Taimur. This guest didn't say a word about things he didn't know or wasn't following which is a quality I highly appreciate and not everyone is humble enough to accept their limitations and end up misinforming others.
@@liliths_ And WTF is Diana and Roma? Were you watching these before you achieved your emotional maturity after listening to Syed Muzammil?
@@alyaaziz1949 lol saying people shouldn't brainwash themselves by listening to opinions, and then quoting Dr Taimoor 🤣 In that logic you're also brainwashed by Dr Taimoor.
He can rather give reference to Mahabharata and Shakuni, for it's here he ruled - the area of Islamabad, many thousands of years ago 😀😀..
What Shakuni's character was, people of Pakistan know intrinsically..namely duplicity...so Pakistan should be renamed Shakunisthan, to reclaim its historic past - he was instrumental for the terrible Kurukshetra war in the past. Even today Pakistan can only thrive on cheating, war and terrorism.
Shakuni was a limping, scheming and cunning king, and a fine gambler inflicted astrologically by the malefic planet Shani and it's occult powers.
Shakuni was from Gandhara. There was no Pakistan.
The moment I think I am going to learn very interesting thing. Amir sb be like “main nahi btao ga”
iqra, the first instruction of qoran, reiterated by this gentleman
Ethnic Background of Generals in 1971 Indo-Pakistani War.
During the 1971 Indo-Pakistani War, the number of Generals in Pakistan Army was 14. One was Commander-in-Chief of Pakistan Army and 13 were Lt Generals.
Four were posted at the GHQ/CMLA HQ,
Four were corps commanders.
Four were governors under the martial law.
One at the CENTO HQ in Ankara, Turkey.
Out of 14 Pakistan Army Generals in 1971 Indo-Pakistani War;
1. General Yahya Khan (Pathan) was the Commander-in-Chief,
2. Lt General Abdul Hamid Khan (Punjabi) was the deputy C-in-C,
3. Lt Gen S.G.M.M. Peerzada (Muhajir) was the PSO CMLA HQ in Rawalpindi,
4. Lt Gen Gul Hassan Khan (Pathan) was the Chief of General Staff (CGS),
5. Lt Gen Khawaja Wasiuddin (Muhajir) was the Master-General of Ordnance (MGO).
6. Army's Eastern Command was under Lt Gen A.A.K. Niazi (Pathan).
7. 1 Corps was under Lt Gen Irshad Ahmad Khan (Punjabi).
8. II Corps was under Lt Gen Tikka Khan (Punjabi).
9. IV Corps was under Lt Gen Bahadur Sher (Pathan).
10. Governor Punjab was Lt Gen Attiqur Rahman (Punjabi).
11 Governor Sindh was Lt Gen Rakhman Gul (Pathan).
12. Governor NWFP was Lt Gen K.M. Azhar (Muhajir).
13. Governor Balochistan was Lt Gen Riaz Hussain (Muhajir).
14. Lt Gen Muhammad Shariff (Punjabi was sent as Permanent Representative to the CENTO HQ in Turkey.
The GHQ posts of QMG and AG was under the rank of Major-Generals.
Hamood-ur-Rehaman Commission recommended Public Trial of the following Officers:
(1) General Yahya Khan (Pathan), Former Commander-in-chief.
(2) General Abdul Hamid Khan (Punjabi) ex Chief of Staff to the President.
(3) Lt. Gen. S.G.M.M. Pirzada (Muhajir), ex PSO to the President.
(4) Lt. Gen. Gul Hasan (Pathan) ex Chief of General Staff.
(5) Maj. Gen. Ghulam Umar (Muhajir), ex Second-in -Command of NSC.
(6) Maj Gen A O Mitha (Muhajir), ex Deputy Corps Commander.
(7) Lt. Gen. Irshad Ahmad Khan (Punjabi), ex Commander 1 Corps.
(8) Maj Gen Abid Zahid (Muhajir), ex GOC 15 Div.
(9) Maj. Gen B.M. Mustafa (Muhajir), ex GOC 18 Div.
The Commission recommended Court Martial of the following officers:
(1) Lt Gen A.A.K. Niazi (Pathan), ex Commander, Eastern Command.
(2) Maj Gen Mohammad Jamshed (Muhajir), ex-GOC 36 (ad hoc) Division.
(3) Maj Gen M. Rahim Khan (Pathan), ex-GOC 39 (ad hoc) Division.
(4) Brig. G.M. Baqir Siddiqui (Muhajir), ex COS, Eastern Command, Dacca.
(5) Brig Mohammad Hayat (Punjabi), ex Comd. 107 bde. (9 Div).
(6) Brig. Mohammad Aslam Niazi (Pathan), ex Comd 53 Bde (39 Ad hoc Div).
The Commission recommended Departmental Action against the following officers:
(1) Brig. S.A. Ansari (Muhajir), ex-Comd, 23 Bde.
(2) Brig. Manzoor Ahmad (Punjabi), ex-Comd 57 Bde 9 Div.
(3) Brig. Abdul Qadir Khan (Punjabi), ex-Comd, 93 Bde. 36 Div.
The Commission observed that the suitability of the following officers for continued retention in military service would not be justified:
(1) Maj Gen M.H. Ansari (Muhajir), GOC 9 Div.
(2) Maj Gen Qazi Abdul Majid (Muhajir), GOC 14 Div.
(3) Maj Gen Nazar Hussain Shah (Punjabi), GOC 16 Div.
(4) Maj Gen Rao Farman Ali (Muhajir), ex Adviser to the Governor of East Pakistan.
(5) Plus 19 brigadiers.
Great detailed information 👍👍
Niazi are just Pathan in name now
After all they are from mianwali which is in Punjab
Niazi was pakka punjabi....rao farman ali was ranghar ( haryana rajput ) haryana was part of punjab till 66....hence haryanvi muslims mostly tyagis and rajputs,integrated easily along with other east punjab refugees in west punjab
@@chandankumargantayat8926 yup
@@VedJoshi.. not exactly. Muhajir means immigrant and in this context, this term is used for all those people who migrated to Pak from India during partition, minus Punjab because they only moved from one part of Punjab to the other. Thus, muhajirs do include North India but there have been South Indian migrants too. Hyderabad is obvious but also from Mumbai, Tamil Nadu and Kerala.
He is extremely knowledgeable and a very learned person.
Shahzad, please do have a few more podcasts with him in future.
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Series of podcast with Aamir bhai??? Yes please
Very informative and helpful
Glad somebody has the honesty to point the finger at the person fundamentally responsible for the mess that is Pakistan--Jinnah. It's time people stopped treating him as an infallible deity, especially people like Shehzad who like to style themselves as critical thinkers.
Everyone is biased towards one or something. Will you may disagree, we still have some points in support of him if we think something practically.
Jinnah didn’t create this mess. It’s the establishment and the corrupt politicians who are responsible for derailing Pakistan.
At least in India there is a critical and threadbare discussion of Gandhi and Nehru.
@mad max it's nothing more than propaganda done by BJP through their whatsapp university IMO. There is nothing critical about it.
Thank you Shehzad. Aamir sb, with respect, how do you expect Islam (or religion) not penetrating (or being used) when it's the core part of our societal being? Its completely illogical to think that a human being when given (representative) power would not inculcate his ideologies, culture & belief into governance. It's like saying we only have brains but no hearts! I respectfully disagree that we don't have to start from 1947 rather start (correction) at an individual level if we want progressive governance and sovereignty.
True. All powers use the masses culture and religion to gain vote. That’s why propaganda is a subject we all must master
جناب عامر صاحب، موروثیت حرام نہ ہوتی تو کربلا میں مولا حسین ع اپنی جان کا نذرانہ نہ پیش کرتے۔ دوسری بات کہ اسلام میں خلافت حضرت علی ع تک تھی۔ اس کے بعد سے ملوکیت نافذ ہوئی۔ آپ کا علم دین کے بارے میں بہت ناقص ہے لیکن ہماری نئی نسل جسے اپنی تاریخ کا علم نہیں، آپکی طرح کے مسخروں کو اپنا ہیرو بنالیتی ہے۔
اللہ رحم فرمائے ہماری قوم پر۔
That's one difficult conversation
really great podcast
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Hey Shahzad can you add a reading list he suggested in the description box?
Loved this session
It makes me so angry to think all the lies taught me about Pakistan history in school.
Loved this episode. Thank you!
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In One Simple Word: Outstanding. Huge Round of Applause To Shehzad and Tremendous Respect To Aamir Mughal Saab
Lots of Respect and Admiration From India 🇮🇳
To The Pakistan Experience 🇵🇰
Bhai 3 baar sun chuka hoon! Kudos to TPE❤️
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4th time sunayn toh books jo mention hueen hain list kar ke comment kardijiye ga I'll pin the comment
Correction: Fazal ul Huq only presented the Pakistan resolution, its author was Sir Zafarullah Khan, an Ahmadi.
Inho nay imran khan kai baray mai bhi ghalat batain ki hain and judgemental .Mater koi nhi hota
Amir mughal sahib one of my favourite personality on twitter, it was more fascinating listening & seeing him today❤❤❤❤
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Excellent interview by both honorables. Thanks
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Hey Shehzad. Great podcast, and thanks for a great episode Aamir bhai. I wanted to request, if possible, the book and author reqs can be laid out. If you get a chance. Thanks!
Please bring Amir sir back for more discussions on history of pakistan era wise . He is a straight talker and one of the most well researched folks you have on this program
Extracted some of the references from the podcast while listening it, the list is long yet not complete..
Munir Report - Punjab Disturbances Court of Inquiry (1954)
Jinnah: His Successes, Failures and Role in History Ishtiaq Ahmed
Jinnah: A Life - Yasser Latif Hamdani
Jinnah: Speeches and statements 1947-1948, compiled by S. M. Burke
KK Aziz - Murder of History
Policing In Pakistan - M.A.K. Chaudhry
All Those Years - M.A.K. Chaudhry
Reminiscences from Bengal - M.A.K. Chaudhry
From Jinnah to Zia by M. Munir
Shahābnāmah -Qudrat Ullah Shahab
Charlie Wilson's War - George Crile III
To read about Joanne Herring (served as the honorary consul) refer to Anjum Niaz (journalist)
Who Killed Zia? Edward Jay Epstein (American journalist), 1989
East Pakistan: The Endgame - A.R. Siddiqi(former head of ISPR)
Pakistan Ki Siyasi Tareekh (12 Volumes) - Mr. Zahid Chaudhry
State and Religion in the Perspective of Muslim History - Hasan Jafar Zaidi
Almia Tareekh(Urdu) - Dr Mubarak Ali
Kiranchi Wala - Akhtar Hussain Baloch (3 volume series)
Karachi: Megacity of Our Times - Hamida Khuhro
India Wins Freedom - Maulana Abul Kalam Azad
Abul Kalam Azad's interview given to Agha Shorish Kashmiri, 1946
On the question of Benazir
UN Commission of Inquiry, 2010 (inconclusive)
JFK 1991 (flick)
Umar bin Al-Khattab: His Life and Times (Vol.2) - Dr. Ali M. Sallabi
Maulana Modudi Kay Sath Mayri Rafaqat Ki Sarguzisht Aur Ab Mayra Moaqqaf By Shaykh Muhammad Manzoor Nomani (the beard question)
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_New perspective on Urdu_
Munshi Nawal Kishore (published more than 5000 books in Arabic, Bengali, Persian, Sanskrit, Urdu during 1858-1885)
Ram Babu Saksena ( History of Urdu Literature, 1927)
Dr Gian Chand (works on Ghalib, Iqbal and linguistics in Urdu)
From Hindi to Urdu: A Social and Political History - Tariq Rahman
Language and Politics in Pakistan - Tariq Rahman
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_Muslim nationalist historians_
S. M. Ikram
I.H. Qureshi
Moeen ul Haq
Naseem Hijazi
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_Scholatic critiques on Maududi by_
Abdul Kalam Azad
Sanaullah Amritsari (Khitab ba Maududi)
Sufi M.Sarwar
Abdul Majid Daryabadi (Kharijiyat-e-Jadeeda)
Ashraf Ali Thanwi
Hussain Ahmed Madani
Yusuf Ludhianwi
Yousuf Banuri
Zakariyya Kandhlawi
lol you beat me to it,i was also compiling,i have also commented the list anyway,there must be some mistakes in mine or might have missed some ,anyone looking for the list can seek out both of our comments hopefully