Capturing Composite Video on Windows 10 (with a 17 year old capture card) - Is It Possible?
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You can get a BlackMagic Intensity Pro 4K. Comes with breakout cables for composite and component. You can even get the component cables for the Wii as well.
4K for a wii, amazing! It would just be easier to buy a cheap PnP usb one, and use obs.
That might be exactly what I'm looking for! And yeah the component cables would be great, I just don't have them currently.
@@MichaelMJD If I still had my Wii with component cables I would have just sent you them both :)
@@MichaelMJD You can buy a Wii to HDMI adapter and the quality will look the same as with with component but with a HDMI output instead.
@@anden04 Yeah, may be better than component to hdmi, probably more expensive though
Ah, yes the best recording method in 2021
Yes
Yo dude, on amazon you can get a device similar to this that is literally just plug and play, you didn't have to go through the struggle of getting this thing to work.
Efficiency++
@@talldood2112 Yeah, but a lot of modern monitors and tv's don't have composite
@@RealmyTheMan no, like its Analog to USB
A couple other ideas for capture:
1. What Technology Connections did in his video (composite to HDMI adapter + a standalone HDMI capture device).
2. The cheapest CamLink clone + the cheapest HDMI splitter (optional) + the cheapest composite to HDMI adapter.
The 2nd option was what I used to use, until the cheep AV to HDMI adapter one day crapped out and wouldn't work. First the video went monochrome, then the sound went garbled, then it died.
@@teh_supar_hackr The av2hdmi models vary, my own one has a tiny MS1858E chip inside, works well, and from memory doesn't get hot at all. It seems other models(presumably using older chips) get hot.
I think these types of devices are also more reliable if supplied with power via the micro(or mini) usb socket, rather than relying on the power supplied by the HDMI connection.
I'm betting the reason it showed Windows Explorer is because explorer used to be intrinsically tied to Internet Explorer, so it was easier for them to open the HTML file directly from an embedded Explorer window.
I Think Realoneplayer is trying to do a IE api call, but it got reused for WE
Yeah! That has to do with the times when old IE versions were integrated with explorer.exe You could type an internet address on the file browser and it would open in IE, and, conversely, you could paste a file or folder path onto the address bar in IE and you could browse through files there.
You're probably right - my first thought was it was trying to generate a preview thumb image or maybe something in a hta file - anyone remember those :-)
@@BilisNegra “it’s just.. explorer! Whether your files are local or out on the internet, it’s all in the same window.”
something like that was said on the demo in Computer Chronicles.. :) I haven’t actually checked but I feel like the class-action probably was part of separating the two again?
@@kaitlyn__L damn, those words don't sound good today.
@@SilentProti yeah, hah, we like to keep our local files separate from our webpage usage today... I could easily imagine webpage “file browsing” phishing attacks for instance.
It’s kinda cute how the internet utopianism had people thinking they should unify all file access transparently! Such phrases as “it gets better every day, as all the power available on the internet keeps growing” were all over the place.
So weird, huh? Of course after the dot-com brad the number of companies with servers massively shrunk, and everybody else rents space on them. But before the bust, during the boom, basically every tech startup could get the capital to open their own small data centre. There were so many servers sold back then. So, naturally, the idea of unifying your local and remote files was floated.
Ah, the Dazzle. Those things that used to cost way too damn much and got knocked off like crazy on Amazon
I paid wayyy to much for one of these from best buy back then lol
Once again providing the best content on UA-cam, great work Michael
4:07 The sample movie is just the QuickTime logo which is animated in low quality with music 😂
Love your channel, keep up the good work ❤️
Thank you!
Dude, your videos are super interesting to watch. Honestly reading any of your titles would make one think it'd be boring as hell, but so far I've watched all your vids from the past month or so in full. Keep up the good content.
HDPVR 1 works really great still
oi
What are you doing here?
I love videos like this. It's amazing to see what kind of ridiculous stuff you manage to make work.
The editing is getting a lot better, loving it.
Michael MJD seems very happy than before,I am glad you are keep up the good work!
Ah, composite you were great... 15 years ago
*composite was great back in the B&W era
Composite was never great even in the 90’s
It was only really used from 1994 to 2007
@@samuel-wankenobi You're clearly confusing composite and component, I guess.
@@BilisNegra no because component was not a thing in the 1990s
Gotta hand it to you mate, your dedication is admirable. Love your content. 🙂
Thank you!
Hey man, that same video capture device has also 8 Bit guy! :)
yes
If I remember correctly, it's an older version of the Pinnacle Dazzle Capture.
Yes
hi, i m pretty certian it will work with linux. i have a similar device and it just works there, i used the capture function in vlc the last time. i guess you may also use a raspberry pi. with ffmpeg its possible to stream over network for example into obs
yeah, those things are usually detected as "cameras"
I use the Elgato HD with the included component/composite breakout cable to record composite and it works great.
Awesome video, Michael!
Found your channel recently and I have been enjoying it! Great content! I actually also used a DVD recorder for my videos as well lol! I later switched to an Elgato Camlink 4K as I wanted to record my HD consoles/arcade hardware.
As a personal recommendation, the IO-DATA GV-USB2 is a fantastic capture device. The only problem with it is that is Japanese and all the documentation is in that language, but finding information in English on how to set it up is easy. Bottom line, it works. I use with OBS Studio all the time and it's the best composite and S-Video capture device I've used. I use with old consoles mostly, but the definition of the image is pretty impressive, particularly with S-Video and the framerate is perfect, no issues with stuttering or anything, you can get 60 FPS footage easily from it. It's a lot cheaper than going the HDMI route and it just does the job as it should.
Haven't seen a Windows XP and Zune skin for years!
The best way in my experience to do this is to buy and composite to hdmi adaptor off of Amazon and then plug the hdmi output into a modern hdmi capture card. Keep up the great work! Edit: I didn’t watch the whole video before commenting 🤦🏻♂️, but yes you’re right, that’s the best way to do it!
I recently got a DVC-90 for free and I was able to capture video through VLC on a Vista machine. Performance was terrible because the Vista computer has very weak hardware, but VLC might be an avenue worth exploring. I do know I had to set the chroma format to some specific setting. If I have to, I can hook that Vista machine up and check.
Sad it didn’t work... in the last vid I was like why DOESNT he use the capture device he got?! But now I see that it’s not that good... but else, keep up the great work! Love all your vids and am always excited for a new one!
If I had recommend a capture device for PC, I'd recommend the HDML Cloner Box Pro, since it comes with cables to convert composite, component, and VGA output to HDMI for use on the box.
If you have an old installer that won’t run, always try to open the installer exe/msi file in 7zip. You might be able to extract the driver files etc.
God, takes me back to recording Call of Duty: MW2 with my little Dazzle. Stumbled across it not too long ago actually, and it was a nice little nostalgia trip.
I do that since some years ago to play on my Wii, sometimes it doesnt have colors, but I just need to mess with the cables connection a bit for it to work. My capture device had an application with its disk and a key for it, when I installed it it had a fairly big windows showing my Wii's screen. Its really good and works 'till today and I have and use Windows 10 for it! Didnt expect it to go wrong for you :(
The name of the program is I think "VHS to DVD", I'll see if I'm correct when I'm done with my homework and if not I'll edit this comment again. Hope it helps you fulfill this quest Michael :')
Nice video man keep up the great work
Thank you!
your welcome
@@MichaelMJD how can you get the internet channel on the wii without the wii shop channel?
Really great to see you using foobar2000 as default media player. 😄
"DVC90 Device driver software installed successfully"... that was for the audio side of things. There are actually two "devices" that Windows tries to install. The audio device shows up as "Line (DVC90)" (see 5:40). It's the video part that's showing up with an error in the device manager. Sorry if this has already been mentioned or if it's old news, but hope that helped for what it's worth. Also, capturing full DV quality is actually a good way to capture the source as intended, in order to retain the proper frame rate and resolution. The reason the quality might appear bad is that the source is actually 480i (interlaced) at 29.97fps, and assuming the Dazzle is also capturing at 480i, it's possible that your editing package doesn't know how to properly deinterlace the video, which may result in half of the resolution being thrown out. Setting your timeline to 60fps (assuming you're output is progressive video) should solve that problem, or as a plan B, try converting the AVI file to mp4 using Handbrake and let it handle the deinterlacing. In VLC, try enabling deinterlacing using the Yadif 2x or Bob method, and see if the playback quality improves.
Ooh, a fun video about a very niche subject related to retro consoles. I approve!
I approve of the bi pride!
Wait is the wii already retro?
@@bb2ridder757 I guess? It was a generic statement given how much old stuff uses composite, but honestly the Wii at least sort of falls into that category given the number of generations that have already succeeded it. Do I have to feel old now?
I'm really impressed it worked
Michael, you can get an Elgato Game Capture HD. It's what I use & it lets you use Composite video to S-Video & it lets you record the Wii in it's native resolution
The first capture device I ever had was a Dazzle DVC USB. It was the first model they ever released. Latest OS I could get it to work with was XP. In the span of two months in the summer of 2018, I rapidly upgraded. First with a DVD recorder for dirt cheap, and then a free Hauppauge PCI-e card.
composite is really good. i had a tape player using composite and my mom would get angry when i connected them wrongly lol
RF < composite < svideo < component < DVI/HDMI
I did the same thing when I was 7 years old🤣I connected the converter box's Audio R output (red) to the TV's composite input (yellow), and the TV displayed some random flashing curves on the screen🤣
You really should archive that AOL install. I bet people would want it.
Pinnacle does sell a newer version of the Dazzle that's at least from the windows 7 era on amazon.
What about those Wii to HDMI adapters? They even let you enable HD TV in settings and it looks much better. Got mine for 10 bucks off Amazon, just a nice thing to have in general when using the Wii on a large TV in general imo. Tests recommended the Portholic one afaik
I was about to say this jaja
I use it with a cheap capture card from China, it works perfectly!
or even a wii u, it can record wii mode in 480p up to 1080p
I use a basic double dongle set up. I have a composite/s-video to HDMI device similar to the one you show later connected to an HDMI to USB3 dongle and the set up works perfectly in Windows 10. The HDMI to USB3 capture dongle also ignores HDCP so can easily be used for capturing output from stand alone set top boxes to PC.
In a Windows Forms project, a web browser object can display directories just like that, so yes, that is an embedded web browser on RealOne Player which is probably trying to load up an HTML file.
For what it's worth, I have both a Diamond GC500, and a StarTech USB3HDCAP. The former is really good for retro gaming since it appears to natively support 240p captures, while the USB3HDCAP has analog breakouts to support Composite and S-Video captures; both of course having Windows 10 drivers. And at least for the GC500, I find you do have to install the DMCap program to be able to configure and tune the GC500 properly, but once that's settled, you technically don't ever have to open it again for OBS to pick it up as a capture device to work with.
What you could do is "select a driver from a list" while in device manager update drivers. You could also extract the exe files with 7zip and manually select the driver in files (if not cab).
That won't work because the drivers were 32-bit and the OS was 64-bit; you can't run 32-bit drivers on a 64-bit system. He might be able to install a 32-bit copy of Windows 10 and then install the drivers, but the software might not work well.
@@user-vn7ce5ig1z I thought 64 bit windows had support for both 32bit applications and drivers tho? I were wrong 🤣
if all things don't work out in your favor, the best thing i'd say is to see if you can use them both at the same time, that way if the dvd player does anything wrong, you have the capture card footage
Sometimes device drivers are getting installed but not getting mapped to the plugged device. Browsing for installed drivers (with "Show incompatible" checkmark on) and trying different drivers manually helps!
I’ve found that Honestec TVR software worked well for me when I was digitizing family VHS Tapes
Years ago I bought the original Elgato Game Capture HD with composite support through S-Video (and some adapters). Works great, looks great even today, either through OBS or Elgato's first party software. I would definitely recommend if you can find one for sale.
My solution for wii capture: I use that exact composite to hdmi converter that you showed and it works like a charm. My capture card is a chinese equivalent to what EposVox had sorta recommended (I don't have the link offhand, but I can dig it up if you'd like). Fun fact, I use that capture card as a camlink for my webcam with a canon camcorder, similar to what you recently replaced, for all of my work-from-home needs.
I do actually still have a video that I remember recording with my camcorder that uses vhs-c tapes and I remember that I was able to use a capture card back in the day to convert the video to a video file on my PC. I remember when I did that, this was around the time that Microsoft released Windows ME and the video itself shows that I recorded it on September 4th, 2000. It was a video of people performing dances underwater at an aquarium. I actually still have the camcorder today and a battery pack actually still holds a charge and I remember buying the camcorder and everything like in May of 2000. So incredible that a nickel cadmium battery pack still holds a charge today nearly 21 years after it was made. I think I remember using the Windows Movie Maker in Windows ME since I remember that Windows ME was the first OS to include Movie Maker.
The DVD recorder does wonders cleaning up the composite dot crawl, maybe plugging the Wii into it and the S-Video/component output of the DVD recorder into the capture card could achieve better results (until you are able to get better capture devices and cables/adapters).
My dazzle will not work on anything newer than XP, but on Linux with OBS it is basically plug and record
The audio using the dazzle lags a lot, but I plug on my onboard sound card and everything is good to go
@@tricountyretail992 yes works on 64 bit kernels, if you are not experienced with linux i highly recommend trying Linux Mint Cinnamon Edition, the desktop environment is friendly and shortcuts are windows-like
@@tricountyretail992 OBS, you just add the dazzle as a V4L2 video capture source.
also it is a well documented software with ton of guides on youtube for more advanced things if you need.
Hey man, I think I can weigh in here with some advice! I would spend a bit more time trying to get the Dazzle to record in OBS Studio because I know there are people who have done it and use it as their main "retro console capture" setup. Maybe search "dazzle obs Studio windows 10", if you haven't already.
As for quality, try to get an S-Video cable for the Wii and use it into the Dazzle's S-Video input. I'm sure you know that composite video is notoriously bad, and S-Video is a huge step up and doesn't require that much more effort to switch to. S-Video cables for the Wii don't cost more than $10-$15 for a decent quality one, and should at least match the DVD quality.
Idk exactly how much time you've spent researching this, but if any of what I said is helpful, then I'm so glad! You make great content and I can't wait until you finally get a less cumbersome Wii recording setup :p
Man, this kinda thing makes me wish the Radeon All-In-Wonder cards had taken off more. For those unaware, it was basically an ATi designed TV tuner/recorder chipset that could come on a Radeon replacing one of the display outputs with some display inputs that'd allow you to record over the air TV or composite/S-Video (component too on later versions) video signals.
I actually have component AV cables for my Wii, and component is so much clearer, it really does look crisp, though *supposedly* they can be expensive, or at least back in the day (2006)
I've used Elgato Video Capture (analog) previously on a mac that gave me both realtime preview and recorded in good quality. It was a little bit expensive only.
I remember that 2 years ago my dad gave me an old version of Pinnacle Studio, maybe it was 9 or 10, i forgot. It was pretty good, and it did it's job very well.
Back when I used the dazzle I used to use a program called AMCAP to view the full resolution output of the device. If I'm remembering correctly I think it came with Pinnacle studio if you look in program files.
I used to use this to play my original Xbox on my computer monitor when I didn't have a TV! XD
On the obs did you try to put some custom resolution in the video capture properties?
You should try drivers from snappy driver installer and vlc or obs to capture the composite video device.
If things always going wrong in Computer Clan videos, they’ll always go wrong in MJD videos. 😛
It's a bit late but did you try extracting the Windows 7 32-bit drivers with Universal Extractor 2 (and then 7zip) and installing them manually in Windows 10 (just because the installer isn't compatible doesn't necessarily mean that the drivers aren't)? I'm kinda curious about the max quality you could get out of this device with modern software :)
If you're interested in exploring the idea any further, there is something else you could try.
I own an old Pinnacle AV/DV2 capture card, that is plugged into PCI. (I didn't forget to say Express, I mean PCI.)
It came even with Pinnacle Studio 8 and a so-called BlueBox for AV inputs. I got it running on Windows 10 by installing the 32-bit edition.
It's really not that those old drivers don't work on Windows 10, they don't work on 64-bit OSes.
If you tinker around a bit, you should even be able to use it with OBS.
I just wish there was a way to pass through the PCI device to a VM, because currently I need to dual-boot.
Btw, which VM were you using in the video?
Honestly, if you're having driver issues I would recommend using SDI or SnappyDriverInstaller. It does seem a bit sketchy, but especially on older hardware, finding drivers is pretty easy. I used it on my Dazzle DVC100 capture card and works fine on OBS.
THANK YOU for this. The primary reason I don't play with my tech toys (a big box of aging laptops) is because of frustration caused by some missing driver! ✌️🍍
I just doubled checked the source and the current linux kernel still supports this device via the em28xx kernel module. You could probably create an Ubuntu VM and use it with USB passthrough. VLC can open a capture device and change aspect ratio and go fullscreen, so you could record the VM screen. You could even just use the linux version of OBS in the VM!
You can extract installshield exes yourself, and there's things like SDIO to install drivers.
Why you never tried opening executables as archives, some times it helps to extract them,and using device manager install drivers manualy
I have a possible video topic. How do you get your recorded DVDs in the video editor?
I was given a VCR/DVD combo that can burn DVDs and have no idea how to get the video from the disc.
I have a more modern PCI TV tuner card and it works perfectly fine under Windows 10, except I don't have a PCI slot anymore so I actually built a Core 2 Duo 775 rig to capture composite video. Also I recommend using VirtualDub over any of these OEM programs, it's much more advanced and when configured properly can actually give much better quality recordings.
You can use OBS in the virtual PC if the capture device is installed as camera device, and then you can get fullscreen.
I remember using a Dazzle to record gameplay back in high school, my computer was in a different room than my PS3 so I had to use a 50ft rca cable and splitters
I managed to use an old VGA2USB LR capture card in windows 10. Even worked in OBS
looked pretty decent quality wise too.
I am sure the is a cheap capture card for composite video that has drivers for Windows 10. Remember using a Dazzle way back in the day brings back some memories seeing the software
Omg the memories for real one player malware 😭
My method to record PS2 gameplay (some content from Konami that DO NOT RUN properly on emulation) is PS2 to RCA + RCA Splitter (to cast to my TV) + EasyCap + OBS, simple to use, set the cables up, open OBS, select EasyCap as Webcam and it's audio, change configs for Res, Channel selection and done.
I've been using an Easycap for composite video, no problems, I can even deinterlace to native 60FPS with no quality loss if VirtualDub is used for both the capturing and editing. Thoughts on them?
the DVC100 has a program that comes with it called DVD Capture, it's not a pinnacle product, and it works WAY Better. On top of that there are 3rd party open source apps that make the older capture cards look much more clean, check speedrunning website for more info on those
You can get a hdmi upscaler which just goes in the back of the wii, i got it off amazon, then capture directly from the tv, I'd imagine that would be better.
Most MSI files, or EXE setup files will create a directory in your temporary files, have that open before you launch the setup and then let the error sit there while you monitor the folder. It should extract all the files to the temporary folder, and you can just grab the drivers that way.
I've unfortunately had to do this multiple times with older technology and it's so far never not worked for me.
I have an old Memorex Mem 48U scanner. It works but only in Windows 98 to XP. The manufacturer is not around any more and none of the other scanners that are the same thing have a working driver for Windows 7 or newer. It hurts so much to see things not work just because there are no more drivers. I still have it. I could setup a Window XP machine if I had to use it again. I can just take photos of the documents and photos but is just not as accurate as from a scanner. If it isn't flat that shows when photos are taken. A scanner usually can scan it flat rather than picking up every wrinkle. It does still pick some wrinkles up but it at least flattens it some while it is on the glass.
Oh the nostalgia of first trying to make gaming videos
I can't wait for part II of web browsing on the Nintendo Wii
VbVidCap and proper AV codecs (MJPEG for slow computers or H264 for more powerful ones) are the most efficient way to capture composite video with old USB2 or PCI video capture devices with Win XP.
I'm gonna start using this to record my videos
There was probably certain video cards out in that time that upped the video quality along with more compatible hardware for the drivers it had to offer. Sucks that you couldn't activate the mpeg2 capabilities.
Interesting experiment
I bought an Amazon special composite capture device for $10 after fighting a Vista era capture card for half a day. It was a BR116 Digitnow.
I use an hdmi DVD player to plug RCA devices in. You could plug that into a modern capture card. I use it for my c128 tho, since I have a Wii u
Nice to see you use Foobar btw, still the best audio player imo.
But VLC supports everything though
@@fred-youtube Sure it does, and it's damn good if you dont want to tinker.
But I prefer seperate applications with more options both for audio and video.
I was looking for a capture device so I could record our old VHS tapes. I tested many recording devices, and the best device is AVerMedia TV DVD EZMaker 7, it isn't that cheap as others, but it has a quite good picture quality, and it works without any problem with drivers or overheating, unlike the others.
For capture and preview, I use VirtualDub, it's old looking software but has many options, and I can achieve a good result. But there are other apps, such as VLC, "Debut Video Capture Software", Bandicam, etc.
I wonder if you could edit a settings file to force it to the max quality in the format that's locked out in the software... Do you think the software would check the settings it's loading for this kind of "hack?"
For 60$, you can get the Magix Rescue Your Videotapes thing. That's essentially what it does, and it's kept up to date, I think.
Nice video!
Thanks!
I can answer that, in fact my latest videos were done using an analogue camera connected to my computer via one of those USB things, and I had no problem getting it running, I didn't even need to install any drivers, it just worked out of the box!
did you try VLC to view the capture device in XP or 7? it lets you view capture cards/capture devices
You could try to get Component cables if you want a better image quality for the Wii. There are some Component to HDMI adapters too.
Man, those drivers you were trying to use was for 32bit Windows. Are u using a 32bit Windows 10?
Such exquisite software and hardware torture - reminds me of last week lol
i bought an ezcap like 10 years ago and it still works in obs with no drivers on windows 10 (and even linux) and it looks pretty decent if you set it up properly
Regarding the Drivers not working: The Driver that you are installing is possibly meant for a 32-bit System when Most Windows 10 Systems nowadays are 64-bit, So the Metadata and Sys Files are needed to "convert" a Driver to 64-bit and to work on Windows 10. I edited an STK1160 inf file to work with my old-school Capture Device (Honestech USB2S) and works somewhat on Windows 10. The caveat is that only the Included Breakout Composite/S-Video Cable works with said Driver and not the Coax Port on Windows 10 (It perfectly works fine on an VM of XP though).
Also if I may make a suggestion: Have you considered using VirtualBox instead of VMWare for Virtual Machines?