I don’t think underground shelters are the problem. The problem is knowing your surroundings well enough to determine the best type of shelter. For example if you were in more of a desert area underground would work but they don’t in a rainforest.
Very true. I camp out on my mining claim somewhat regularly and will just pitch a cot and sleeping bag about 100ft or so from the adit and just sleep in the haulage way
@@grimgranite Hi, i'm 12 years old and if you don't mind, i would like to ask you one question: Do you think that building small,half-underground hut in forest is bad idea? I realy like your videos and it would be very helpful, thank you very much.😊
Evan really nailed this one, good job Ethan, william really got his point across with this one, Chaz is a lifesaver and Bobby will never be forgotten. Praise to Preston
@@grimgranite makes complete sense, I was just wondering; could absolutely see myself in my younger days finding two cans and convincing myself they're the ultimate macgyverism to create a cozy place to sleep.
I was one of the boys and the greater point I was trying to make here was that unless you are trying to protect yourself from gunfire or a mortar attack, the calorie burn is never worth it in a survival situation.
@@grimgranite Understood. Did you guys make a collection zone at the bottom? I feel like if you guys selected a better place to entrench yourselves it wouldn't have been a waste of calories. I've added a small stove place with two modes of ventillation to negate asphyxiation.
Drainage, people, DRAINAGE. digging a trench or foxhole can be a great method, but doing it right takes a proper location, knowing how to lay it out correctly, and is very time consuming to do it right. I've found that digging on a hillside is best, bonus points if the hillside has solid grass or moss ground cover (it will help against erosion) and you want to cut drainage ditches ABOVE your dugout and have it lead around the sides of the dugout. It can take hours or even days to just get the digging portion done, so it's not really a hasty shelter, but it can be a good one IF done properly.
I have studied ways to breach every type of smaller scale bunker. Trust me when I say they are all ultimately death traps and the ways you can die in them are not pretty at all.
Did you insulate between the bottom of the hole and you? What I found during my formative years following outdoor pursuits? Britain is the place to learn to accept that you have a tolerance for low levels of comfort. Why do you think we have so many top tier soldiers? Because the military train in those same shitty places. The Welsh coast, the Scotish islands, dartmoor, the lake district. Horrible conditions even when prepared. Beautiful but horrible 😂
In my humble opinion and experience it's not the type of shelters fault it's a lack of knowledge.... that said do not try underground shelter unless uve a vast knowledge of the area construction tactics how water flows not to build on a lowest point ect... my area underground works I'm in the high desert mountains and know how to build reinforce ventilate ect .... use the type of shelter that best fits the situation time needed and weather... there is no one size fits all
@@grimgranite they can get you out of a driving wind which will make it really hard to thermoregulate. The ground/snow is a constant temperature and will allow you to maintain a more constant temperature in either really cold or hot conditions. From a E&E standpoint these shelters can look more like the natural landscape and are harder to detect. There are many reasons
@@Hudson4426having been in the field after digging a hasty fighting position for training during a cold snap with no cold weather gear, no, the ground is an awful horrible thing that sucks all your heat from you, have a mat or pine needles between your sleep system and the ground, though I'll admit the pine needles are more comfortable than the issued sleep mat
Rain is still wet on top of hills. I think the only way to make it work is to trench around the shelter to carry water away, regardless of its location. 😅 The calorie burn digging a shelter like this is pretty big too. Unless you are in war or trying to remain concealed for some reason, there is no compelling reason to make one for survival.
@@grimgranite holy crap you replied. Big fan broths, but it's just what I've experienced. I'm in the Southwest so when it rains it's over in like 10 mins. Reminds me of the question, do you get less wet if you run, or walk in the rain. So I applied that result to the scenario.
Okay, how exactly was spending hours digging a better idea than just getting out of the first? And digging a dirt shelter is not the same as building a proper shelter with concrete/modern materials.
@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 what's wrong with you? The guy claims from this that underground shelters are a bad idea, you yourself literally described how this could have been done properly. Also, still doesn't explain why they bothered making a shelter if it took hours instead of just going back the way they came.
Hopefully some additional context will help y’all… no need to get negative, please. I was at a survival camp in which we were tasked with designing and making a shelter to stay in for the week. Needless to say, we changed our design for the following day. If you want to see me in an underground bunker, watch the later half of Doomsday Preppers Season 2 episode 13. 😅
Better to learn while your young and able bodied than when your older
I don’t think underground shelters are the problem. The problem is knowing your surroundings well enough to determine the best type of shelter. For example if you were in more of a desert area underground would work but they don’t in a rainforest.
Exactly ❤
Very true. I camp out on my mining claim somewhat regularly and will just pitch a cot and sleeping bag about 100ft or so from the adit and just sleep in the haulage way
To ne fair they were teenagers
A lot of people don’t understand confined spaces, specifically trenching and how dangerous it can be if not shored up,sloped or benched
Agreed!
@@grimgranite Hi, i'm 12 years old and if you don't mind, i would like to ask you one question:
Do you think that building small,half-underground hut in forest is bad idea? I realy like your videos and it would be very helpful, thank you very much.😊
There's at least one popular bushcraft survival youtuber who regularly shows digging these dug out shelters , solo overnighters.
They make for great videos! 😅
Whos that
You mean the dude who always makes a fire where he later sleeps so its warm?
Every one during the Cold War 💀
The Cold War?
you mean ww1 the cold war embraced mobile warfare
Evan really nailed this one, good job Ethan, william really got his point across with this one, Chaz is a lifesaver and Bobby will never be forgotten. Praise to Preston
That was you who dug the shelter???
@@bassboehlke7017 No..
Indeed it was
@@grimgranitedamn, poor you
glad you're here and sharing what you know
can i ask why you didnt use the same sticks to build some kind off impromptu a frame?
At the time, we were what you might call “young and dumb”. 😅 I think we just wanted to challenge ourselves and try something unconventional.
@@grimgranite makes complete sense, I was just wondering; could absolutely see myself in my younger days finding two cans and convincing myself they're the ultimate macgyverism to create a cozy place to sleep.
You have to determine whether or not your foxhole is within a flood zone. Those teenage boys didn't understand this clearly.
I was one of the boys and the greater point I was trying to make here was that unless you are trying to protect yourself from gunfire or a mortar attack, the calorie burn is never worth it in a survival situation.
@@grimgranite Understood. Did you guys make a collection zone at the bottom? I feel like if you guys selected a better place to entrench yourselves it wouldn't have been a waste of calories. I've added a small stove place with two modes of ventillation to negate asphyxiation.
ww1 simulator dig a hole strap a lot of paint cans to your back and sit in the rain for four years
Drainage, people, DRAINAGE.
digging a trench or foxhole can be a great method, but doing it right takes a proper location, knowing how to lay it out correctly, and is very time consuming to do it right.
I've found that digging on a hillside is best, bonus points if the hillside has solid grass or moss ground cover (it will help against erosion) and you want to cut drainage ditches ABOVE your dugout and have it lead around the sides of the dugout.
It can take hours or even days to just get the digging portion done, so it's not really a hasty shelter, but it can be a good one IF done properly.
The problem was that they both slept at once. In that sort of situation, you always want a watch.
How meny knifes do you have in totql
Only works in snow
I have studied ways to breach every type of smaller scale bunker. Trust me when I say they are all ultimately death traps and the ways you can die in them are not pretty at all.
Haha man won the “special award”
😂🤷🏻♂️
What about caves you may stumble across?
Caves can be pretty hazardous as well. They don’t require as much of a calorie burn to prepare as a shelter though, so there’s a benefit in that.
@@grimgranitethey can be hazardous but as long as you're careful they're fine. Just gotta know what to look out for
Hey... you're name is Gordon. Me too...I knew there was a reason I liked you. Lol
It’s a good name!! 🤓💪🏼
Way to rep JSC brother. ⚡️
GRIM TALE!
What that was you
Did you insulate between the bottom of the hole and you? What I found during my formative years following outdoor pursuits? Britain is the place to learn to accept that you have a tolerance for low levels of comfort. Why do you think we have so many top tier soldiers? Because the military train in those same shitty places. The Welsh coast, the Scotish islands, dartmoor, the lake district. Horrible conditions even when prepared. Beautiful but horrible 😂
If the ground is sandy then not a good idea.
In my humble opinion and experience it's not the type of shelters fault it's a lack of knowledge.... that said do not try underground shelter unless uve a vast knowledge of the area construction tactics how water flows not to build on a lowest point ect... my area underground works I'm in the high desert mountains and know how to build reinforce ventilate ect .... use the type of shelter that best fits the situation time needed and weather... there is no one size fits all
They can actually be a great idea if your not dumb enough to build it where it’ll flood
What would make them a great idea versus other types of shelters?
@@grimgranite they can get you out of a driving wind which will make it really hard to thermoregulate. The ground/snow is a constant temperature and will allow you to maintain a more constant temperature in either really cold or hot conditions. From a E&E standpoint these shelters can look more like the natural landscape and are harder to detect. There are many reasons
@@Hudson4426having been in the field after digging a hasty fighting position for training during a cold snap with no cold weather gear, no, the ground is an awful horrible thing that sucks all your heat from you, have a mat or pine needles between your sleep system and the ground, though I'll admit the pine needles are more comfortable than the issued sleep mat
@@noahtackett6264 I didnt say don’t insulate… I said it’s a constant temperature… rather than dipping external temps and blowing wind
Underground shelters are a bad idea if you're a moron and don't realize where you need to put it. If you go on a top of a hill you'll be fine
Rain is still wet on top of hills. I think the only way to make it work is to trench around the shelter to carry water away, regardless of its location. 😅 The calorie burn digging a shelter like this is pretty big too. Unless you are in war or trying to remain concealed for some reason, there is no compelling reason to make one for survival.
@@grimgranite holy crap you replied. Big fan broths, but it's just what I've experienced. I'm in the Southwest so when it rains it's over in like 10 mins. Reminds me of the question, do you get less wet if you run, or walk in the rain. So I applied that result to the scenario.
Okay, how exactly was spending hours digging a better idea than just getting out of the first? And digging a dirt shelter is not the same as building a proper shelter with concrete/modern materials.
@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 what's wrong with you? The guy claims from this that underground shelters are a bad idea, you yourself literally described how this could have been done properly. Also, still doesn't explain why they bothered making a shelter if it took hours instead of just going back the way they came.
Hopefully some additional context will help y’all… no need to get negative, please. I was at a survival camp in which we were tasked with designing and making a shelter to stay in for the week. Needless to say, we changed our design for the following day.
If you want to see me in an underground bunker, watch the later half of Doomsday Preppers Season 2 episode 13. 😅