When we can get to about 800-1000 Wh/kg energy density (about 3 hours of flight time on a single battery pack weighing about 20-25kg), I will happily dump every single gas paramotor I've ever owned and move to electric. Excellent stuff!!!
that is far away in the future i guess. but we are slowly getting there! 20kg for 3 hours flight time is magic territory and if we would have that right now everybody would dump gasoline. as i said electric isnt for everybody but i love it even right now and will never ever go back to gasoline. since i cant find really much information about this entire EPPG thing i decided to start this journey myself and see where it goes.
@@akbarshoed hahaha no you don't have to fly for 3 hours at a time. But when I fly, I do not generally want to be limited in my flight time. I've never flown more than 2h 20m, but I was thrilled to have put in the gas to do so, as it was a bit unplanned. When battery tech, or motor efficiency, reaches 3 hours of flight time for even a big pilot like me, I'm fully in.
i was tired with my way too small ENA which feels like a wet towel at this size. the spyder is super light. ok it rips when you just look at it funny but overall i am so much more happy with it. finally i can flare and not just continue to tank down. was weird feeling and need time to get used to for sure. so touchy compared to a ENA. talking about oscillations. how to make it stop? any advice?`each time i counter they stop for a second and than everything becomes a playground swing again haha
@@cloudpandarism2627 So you were at top of your EN A weight range for the size, I see. So in practice your EN A glider has less pendulum effect than this B. I'm in P1 school, I work with a big A glider. Best of luck, thanks for not flying like a barnstormer.
@@RoofAndAMeal4UsAll barnstormer? ok not gonna lie that a first for me haha! yes i was far over the max weight limit of my ENA which made it fast AND difficult to handle. no flare energy left on landings. difficult to launch and land. all disadvantages at once. the spyder 3 is fast but also much easier to fly
range anxiety is the biggest reason pilots still refuse electric paramotors. i stick to my opinion: its not for everybody. if you wanna do 5 hour cross country flights, by all means stick to your gasoline engine. but if you love a quiet vibration free smooth and insane powerful unit which can be charged on the field in same time you need to make a cup of tea then this is a good option for a nice afternoon exploration flight after work. it doesnt smell inside the car. and is overall so clean. i wanna show that its possible to use any electric car 230V output to fly the entire day on location. charging one battery pack while using the second pack to fly for 35-45min for example. come back to land and have a snack. swap battery and continue to fly. or just combine both packs and fly 80-90min. depending on weather 20-30min is my personal sweetspot. after that time i wanna come back and have a break. spend some time with family and go back up for another flight. these batterie packs are much cheaper than anybody think so its also very easy to buy a third or even fourth pack in case you dont have a hybrid or electric car/ powerplug nearby. just charge them all up before you leave to your LZ. the charger i use in the video can charge 4 seperate batteries same time. having the option to increase charging to 60 amps will get 4 batteries from empty to full in an hour. i see others around me with DIY electric PPGs here and they need 2-4 hours to charge only 1 battery which can then fly for 15-20 min... i would not want to wait such long time. would you?
Sweet! Charging from your EV. I have a EV VW ID4, never thought of this. If you could optionally attach a charger to the frame and use EV stations, you could potentially do long distances on an EV paramotor. Or have your partner in the EV follow you for long distance flights. Nice!
the charger is too heavy and big i think. a fast charger for 4kw could get the battery full in 30 minutes but for that you need carry around 6kg extra. not worth it. what is better is as you said correct, have your wife drive the electric car to the next spot. bring the charger there where you land and charge it full like that haha! in this video you see the most powerful charger i could find for the time being. 60 amps is ridiculous. my car have a 16A 230V outlet and it still shut off sometimes because the load towards end gets too high. i got a second charger with "only" 2500w around 51A max. that should be fast enough for most situations. would you consider getting one of the first prototypes for a better price and use your car to charge and fly? give your honest opinion about it.
@@cloudpandarism2627 Yes, that charger is too big, I was thinking if there was a way to optimize it somehow and also only taken when doing a long distance. Like it's probably mostly heat-sink. Could the frame and/or ESC heat-sink be shared somehow? Charger and ESC's use is mutually exclusive after-all...but you are probably right its not a great value/reward proposition. I reached out via email.
I fly a nano paratrike powered by a Vittorazi Moster 185. I cannot wait to go electric . When 90 minutes real flight time happens I switch. Excellent video !
i had a moster 185 before. what a piece of shiat that was and beside my countless efforts to beg vittorazi for help or advice they couldnt care less. i was unlucky and had a monday model or something. broken so many times. that was the biggest trigger to change for me. i hated that thing with all my heart and had no trust anymore because it was broken literally after every second flight on a different place. brand new unit i wanna add and well maintained. i am making a new video after the typhoon is done here where i wanna talk about this. i will never ever touch gasoline again. 90 min is a steep request. possible but need carry extra weight.
oh hold on you said trike? 90 minutes are absolute no problem since you dont need carry that on your back. triple the new micro battery pack and you are there.
Yes, it´s a super light trike that I love as is today but going electric is my obsession. Geiger Engineering in Germany can do 90 minutes but the cost is way to high, insanely high. Still Geiger is the brand that everybody respects in the E flying community. Wished you published more info on your system !!!!@@cloudpandarism2627
Hi mate loving what your doing with electric, if you haven't already could you or would you share details so I could copy your paramotor? Thanks Jim@@cloudpandarism2627
As battery technology evolves, electric is definitely going to be the way to go. Charge and fly is very appealing. Once we can get 2 hr flight times without hauling to much weight, I'm ready!
2 hours is possible but you carry extra weight thats true. my sweet spot is 30 min and then i wanna land to have a rest. so for me this is perfect. i cant understand how you professionals fly so long time without getting tired and arms falling off. 😅 maybe i am too old for this. but yeah you are right. eventually we will get there. couple more years in development. for me right now flying electric have WAAAY more benefits than disadvantages. in china people are not allowed to just go and buy gasoline in a canister. because too many idiots would burn the station down while smoking. so they just made it impossible to fill up your paramotor without alot trouble. then there is no gasoline smell in the car on way home which gave me insane headaches each time i went to fly. no more messing around with oil mixtures and engine maintenance. noise and strong vibrations combined with the heat on my back really threw me off couple of times to the point it was almost painful to fly. (because my brand new but crap moster185 was a monday unit with lots and lots of problems as you see in my crash videos before) all that is gone with electric and having a hybrid car with 230V 16A outlet was a nobrainer for me to switch to EPPG. i love how silent it is and smooth while having insane power to get my fat a$$ up. i am always happy to hear other pilots opinions about this. keep the blue side up mate and thanks for your comment°
i tested the new massive SSL battery yesterday. way beyond 1 hour flight time and less weight than my gasoline 172 black devil before. i got like 200gb footage from that and try to upload a video soon. 3 people flew the same battery. first me couple of minutes. came back to land. i just went out the harness. my flight teacher jumped in and flew half hour. then he did some touch/go´s, landed and then his brother flew another half hour. after he came back battery was still 29% plus reserve. we are creeping up on 2 hours. my flight teacher broke both of his legs so for him heavy paramotors are a pain but even he said carrying this is a breeze. no problem at all cause the weight is so close to pilots back.
I think you said this is a 30 Ah pack. You should consider charging over 1C degrades the battery cells. It may bode well to slow charge it after a flight or the night before instead of supercharging it when you're setting up. You're going to lose endurance. Another major characteristic is max cell voltage, that charge probably goes to 4.2V, further diminishing the capacity of the pack, so there are 2 things working against you. If anything end the charge early. With my escooter, I opened the charge and reduced the top voltage to 4.10V, an industry go to for longer life with a lion lipo.
good points but the cells i use have a normal charging rate of 10C and 15C fast charging. having currents around 19-20 amps is already much lower than people normally use to charge them. i also found out that there is nothing worse for lipos then charging them at night and leave them at full capacity sitting half day until LZ arrival. its much better to take them fresh off the charger with a bit temperature already inside from charging so they dont reach their optimal discharge temperature later from draining cells with motor. but in principle you are right. charging cells slower is doing them well. thats why i have a new charger on way to me which can be set to 10 or 15 amps instead of 20A which is the minimum for that huge charger. and i will also use trhe internal 230V 10A outlet in my car to charge the battery while i am driving to my flying area because i always need to drive 2.-3 hours anyway. perfect for getting the pack full on arrival and still keep the C rate rather low. charging the night before to 4.19 and then just leave the battery standing there for 12 hours is a bad idea because voltage will always drop to 4.10 or even lower. i am working with lithium batteries for 10 years now and leaving them fully charged for longer periods of time hurts them the most. i accept a slightly faster degeneration because these batteries are not same crazy expensive than lets say a high quality sony 21700 pack which should last go 6 years. i am happy to get 2-3 years out of these batteries but having multiple of them to change in between flights which further reduces stress as if you fly with 1 battery every day and fast charge it to get back up in the air ASAP right? but good point for sure! subbed to your channel!🙌
oh and i wanna show whats possible. alot people say they dont like flying/charging times. having 2 or 3 packs and a charger on your field with lets say a tesla this should not be anbodys concern anymore. yes i agree this is not your 5 hours cross country unit but its also not meant to be one. this is a lightweight smooth and very quiet paramotor for a relaxing flight after work. no gasoline or smell /oil keruffle in car anymore. just take it out from trunk and have a chilled evening flight.
@@cloudpandarism2627 Like electric cars, it has its application. I often fly with buddies and we always do 1.5 to 2 hr flights. Looking at gaggle stats browsing public flights, Id say the majority are under 1 hr, more like 30 min. Seems like a lot of people would be happy with ePPG. For the 10C charge in a commercially available battery I think those are inflated quite a bit. I've been a battery test engineer for a few years working with automotive stuff, they don't go past 1C. The goal here is to meet life cycle requirements, so part of this is reducing C rates and closing the voltage window, not charging to 4.2V to start it's life. If you do the math with a Tesla, they're not going past 1C or not very of they do. Huge capacity makes up for high charge and discharge rates. Try to poke around your charger and see if you can force it to stop at ~4.10v, this way you can charge the battery and not worry about it. As the pack degrades, then open it up to 4.2 to get more out of it.
@@Patrick_cb 🙌 alright. if you interested in electric PPG there will be awesome news soon. i hope sales will start this spring. we are working nonstop on 4 new protoypes.
Great stuff! Love the increased battery life. Definitely want to go electric down the road. Also I just bought an insta X3 and WOW is it cool. I love the fact you can do all the editing right on your phone, although I wish they had a separate app for the computer. It's nice to be able to use the phone but at the same time, I like the option to use the bigger screen.
cheers mate. yes its amazing. flying electric and X3 too. go to search the insta360 studio 2023 for windows and all your dreams will come true to work on a big screen.
cheers mate! new battery is much smaller and lightweight but i can fly longer than before. not sure how much time yet. new wing is so agile and a bit scary but so much easier to land. also because much higher efficiency than my old mop. that alone will increase flight time for sure.
except the sand it is fantastic. me as fatty pilot love the smooth wind there and open space. something really rare here in china. had to drive 5 hours yesterday for that short flight. please do come visit and teach me forward zero wind launches. you make it look so effortless and easy. everytime i see your video i am sitting here shake my head and yell at my screen: "hoooow is that guy not cheating to get up that easy!?" 🤣 PS: is time for a new 360 lens bro. yours is scratched like hell. haha
there he is! cheers mark. yes its so much more than my gasoline paramotors before. even a moster 185 with 140cm prop feels like children toy compare to that. i love it and dont mind the half hour flight time at all. i like come in for landing anyway and have a rest. swap batteries and go back up. yes the new wing was big success. after i almost give up of ever being able to land more soft, this feels really good. its a new thing for me to flare and actually go back up instead just hit the ground and almost faceplant every landing. one big disadvantage it have: because max size i can not get the wing down after landing if winds are strong like this. cobra, grabbing D or brakes and pull them down to my ankles. i cant make the wing stay on ground. it shot back up even with brakes down into the beach sand and dragged me. any advice?
@@markallisonparamotor oh god. seems nobody really knows what to do with a huge wing in high winds. i say let the dragging session begin next time! 😅thanks for coming around mark!
Wonderful video! You mentioned this video to see how the frame was assembled. I know you have been doing improvements and upgrades BUT...I love this design as it reminds me of what I had been flying (Fly Products Eclipse). Very straightforward and easy to assemble and take apart...perfect! I own a Tesla Model Y but I cannot charge FROM the car here in the USA...it can obviously be done. I have seen EV's in Europe and now yours doing it but I have not been able to find an adapter here in the states (perhaps I am just not finding it). There are EV's with 110 outlets but mine only has the cigarette lighter or USB outlets. This kind of set-up would be a dream to me! Thanks!
as far i know every tesla can use an adapter on the charge port to activate external output. my friend have a model Y. hold on i ask him because i talk to him before and he say its possible
@@loums52 i just called my friend with the model Y and he send me a link what this thing looks like. its a simple adapter which takes the slow charging port on your model Y and converts that to 220V 10KW outles with a little box. cost around 200$ or so. steam25@gmail.com. talk to me there i send you the link and you can get it. is also useful when going camping or just relax outside. any electric BBQ, lights or other stuff works well with this. i am using the outlet all the time in my car to not only charge my EPPG when i am at the beach but also to cook there, plug in a fan in summer or even bring my espresso machine to make a nice latte outside haha!but like you said: if its a bit different for USA models we need find out whats the deal behind this.
cheers mate! i continue developing and exiting things are happening here. this older video was one of the first prototypes i build. now we are far beyond that point.
color wasnt my favorite and next wing will have custom colors but i didnt want to wait the extra time and my god is it good! for the first time i am able to land and launch like a normal pilot instead of running my butt of each time and impact like a rock on landings. the only big difference i feel is there is much more oscillations you need to active control all the time but i am beginner and need to learn more. other than that this wing is fantastic!
@@cloudpandarism2627 Sounds exactly like I hoped. That's an awesome wing! And that happens to be the color scheme I like. What colors would you pick for a custom one?
@@cloudpandarism2627 Ah, yes that would be cool! I noticed your color scheme in the video where your lighter/smaller friend flew your ePPG. Also noticed you were testing a 2-blade prop, instead of your 3-blade E-Prop.
cheers! it is. bit boring for you guys maybe because i am still beginner and test alot stuff each flight instead of just land at mcdonalds to have fun. but everything works perfect and i hope i can start do adventure flying sooner or later
haha thanks brother! the wing is so good! i need get used to the oszillations because its so much more agile. i could weight shift and wigle around alot before with my APCO towel. nothing happend. i tried to get more into seat and that caused massive swinging off camera. i really hope you can at least strap one cam to your helmet and take us to fly on your electric motor as well next time
🤣 comment right below yours from yesterday literally: @RustyCyler "Thumbs down for use of unnecessary annoying background muzak." i realize i cant make it right for everybody. some people appreciate music and i always try choose something soft and easy on the ears to not annoy anybody. while others get really offended, feeling the need to let their inner 3 year old out and throw a tantrum. i had no wind blocker on the mic these last 2 flights so other than wind noise there was nothing else to hear. i think next flight i try put some more motor sound in again but cheers for writing that comment. ☺ would you fly electric?
@@cloudpandarism2627 it’s always best to make it so you enjoy it first. When you start making videos for other people, it takes the fun out of it. I loved it.
@@Team.Louish i love to hear it. for pro pilots i think electric is a nice alternative to add a useful motor to their collection and take the gasoline units to fly crosscountry or longer flights overall. and have the electric unit inside car at all times for a relaxed after work or quick holiday flight where you not need to fiddle around with oil, gasoline and other messy stuff. made such a huge difference for me that i can have an engine inside my car all time without the smell and ready to go at any time. if i decide to fly somewhere i need drive 1-2 hours and i simply use the time i drive to charge battery full while going there. when i arrive i get 100% pack fresh from the charger. its perfect. some friends here have Tesla cars and they all gonna buy a unit from me when i finish the second smaller prototype and test it enough. for me personally electric is plenty of flight time since i never like to go up more than 30 or maybe maximum 40 min. i couldnt be more happy to never need touch gasoline PPG anymore. but of course everybody have different ideas how long they wanna fly. all fine for me! cheers°
Hey Panda, great video, may I ask what settings you use on your X3? My footage never looks anything like yours? Do you use manual ISO, shutter speed, etc? Thanks and greetings from Austria, happy landings! Max
servus max, also ISO 100, WB setzt du irgendwas zwischen 5000-6000k. ich habs meist auf 5500k am strand. dann shutter auto und 5k30. color auf VIVID weil das LOG profil der cam ein witz ist und du alle farben verlierst. schärfe hab ich auf medium. dann aufm pc schneiden, bildausschnitte wählen. beim export 3480x2160 und 120mbit export. die clips im schnittprogramm deiner wahl bissl anpassen. contrast, tiefen lichter, sättigung blabla und dann hast du genau die einstellungen die du hier in meinem video als ergebnis siehst. wenns immernoch scheisse aussieht dann brauchst sonne und blauen himmel. oft sind X3 videos matt und flau. bei sonne und gutem wetter is top. alles andere wie wolken lassich direkt bleiben weils kein sinn bei der cam macht. achja und leicht überbelichten hift oft. versuch mal +0,3 oder +0,7. ich schau mir mal deinen kanal an was du hochgeladen hast
It makes such a huge difference in effort needed to launch. You’ll feel the difference and know for that moment on. I, as well, am new to the sport and when I felt the difference it made, especially in nil wind launches, it made failed launches become effortless.
@@PPGDV sounds too good to be real. is it really such big difference? i never had a nil wind launch in my life. not in training. and not when i fly alone. i tried lean back in the past but the only result i got from that was that the seat tries to "scoop" my legs and push me into seating position way before i had enough airspeed to fly. so i had some very close near misses with my cage hitting the ground and didnt spend much efforts to try that again because i knew i fly in wind only. but i give it another try for sure now because i have the new OZONE wing instead of my APCO towel. thanks alot for the tip. i have nobody here can teach me. all the so called "coach" gave me nothing but wrong advice before. if you see something wrong in future, please feel free to make a comment about it. i need all the help i can get ☺🙏
is in progress. right now the straps will melt in case of fire and battery drops. but i have a system which lets the pilot eject the battery at any time. good point! many people talk about that. also interesting to hear batteries are dangerous since gasoline is so much more flammable yet nobody talk about ejecting the tank. same goes for electric cars. if a tesla is on fire we see that in all news. statisticly every months hundreds of normal cars burn down but nobody talks about it anymore because we see it as normal. maybe it have something to do with batteries are fairly new tech and people like to justify in their minds that of course it must be more dangerous 😅
@@cloudpandarism2627 Thanks for sharing this insight! It's great to hear that you're actively addressing safety concerns in the design. The ability for the pilot to eject the battery in case of a fire is definitely a crucial safety feature. You make a valid point about the perception of battery safety compared to traditional fuel sources like gasoline. It's interesting how new technologies tend to get more attention when things go wrong, while established technologies with their own risks are often taken for granted. I guess it's human nature to be more cautious about what we're less familiar with, and it's also a testament to the rapid evolution of battery technology. It's good to see the discussion happening and the industry continually improving in terms of safety. 😅
@@mountainblack ok here we go i am home now. yes i agree with every point you made. i trust these batteries with my life otherwise i would not fly. lipos just dont burst into flames for no reason. otherwise car manufacturer wouldnt build electric cars right? there are 3 reasons they could cause fire. short circuit, puncture and overcharging. last reason is out because we dont charge while flying. short circuit is possible if the ESC have a stroke and something terrible happens with the PCB. but i am using a good high quality ESC with fuses inside to prevent exactly that. puncture is possible if pilot crashes and fall backwards into metal poles but if that happens and metal sticks are inside your back i guess battery fire is not a big concern anymore. i tested the cells against impact by grabbing a stone and whack it as hard as i could. nothing. then i drove over it with my 2.5 ton car. nothing. then i out it in front of the tire and accelerate as hard as i could. again nothing. battery was fully charged at that point and didnt even swelled up after 10 min. as a last resort i put the battery on the street. drove 100 meter away with my car. went straight back and slammed on the brake as hard as possible while running ot over with one tire. and THAT finally made it smoke. but no fire. the cell was totally destroyed and smeared across the pavement. i remember lipos 10 years ago where you just needed to look at them funny and they went into thermal runaway 😂. so technically its possible to have a lipo fire mid air. just very unlikely...still possible though - thats the reason why i am developing a system to eject the battery. i doubt anybody will ever use it. but its a good way to calm pilots down who still dont trust new technology which is fine by me. now the straps are not fireproof for that reason. i thought about this alot and there is still risk because batteries swell up to double their size in case of fire. that means the space in between the frame could not be big enough. yes straps will melt but if cells swelling up to double the size and the entire pack get stuck? i am working on something which wont affect that problem and can still eject a battery mid air. if its done i will show it here. glad to talk with you about this. many people told me same issues but didnt want listen any of my solutions. it was always same result. lipo is baaaaad. dont fly. topic closed. 😂 i am happy you listen and understand my point. i also like safety and dont want get fried while flying. thats what we always do. minimize risks for PPG.
@@cloudpandarism2627 Thank you ! Your dedication to safety and your meticulous testing process are truly commendable. It's clear that you've put a lot of thought and effort into addressing the safety concerns associated with flying using these batteries. Your commitment to safety and your willingness to explore solutions rather than dismiss the technology altogether is admirable. The fact that you're developing a system to eject the battery, even if it's unlikely to be used, is a testament to your commitment to safety and the well-being of pilots. Even if it's only used in rare, extreme situations, knowing that it's there as a last resort can provide peace of mind to both you and your fellow pilots. Any system that could potentially save even one life is incredibly rewarding and significant. It's a reminder that innovation and continuous improvement in technology can make a real difference in enhancing safety. Your efforts and mindset towards minimizing risks for PPG are exactly what the aviation community needs, and it's great to see that you're willing to engage in constructive discussions about these important topics. Keep up the excellent work, and I look forward to seeing your progress on the ejection system!" 😊🪂✈
Feels good especially for my spine problems - it's probably lighter than traditional two strokes. But this technology requies at least 20 yrs of dev to be good enough (and safe).
i just finished a super lightweight prototype. 18kg ready to take off for a solid 35min afternoon flight. its safe. my moster 185cc was 36kg take off weight. i hated that bloody thing.
@@cloudpandarism2627 I want tp see that lightweight prototype as soon an possible and know how much would a complette ready to fly unit cost, includding shipping to Spain. Thanks
Bro, that frame look nice, very similar to my openppg. Is that titanium and did you weld it yourself? I would very much like to own a Ti one over the ALU!
cheers mate. i have highest respect for the SP140 and dont want copy them at all costs but do my own thing. i got a frame welder here and yes its all titanium and carbonfiber. this was the first gen. meanwhile alot has changed and it will be very different. less weight, less power, longer flight times, new controller and display. i got a titanium prototype here you can have?
@@ridecrypto the one here is already very different from this video. i got like 5 of them standing, collecting dust. flown 3 times for tests. and its not pricey. estimate something like half of SP140. if you know somebody need one let me know. 👊
cheers mate. so flight time with smallest battery around half hour. biggest battery should be at least 90 min or more. need test but weather was terrible last months.
Thanks for your answer guy’s most of my flights are below 90 minutes so that would be good for me, but usually i’ll climb to 500/100 ft for my flights and i do fly a fast wing so am wondering how it performs for those conditions. Currently flying a corsair black devil with a lot of power. I have flown a OpenPPG sp140 with the 4kw battery, but i only get 40 minuten out of that so that is not worth it for me yet… hope the batteries keep evolving to more power to weight ratio.
@@arjankars5819 if you fly faster wings and treat an EPPG same as PPG the benefits you get flying electric wont be that big. of course you can always strap a bigger battery on but there is a limit what most people are ready to carry. a fast wing and playful flying style will problably not give you 90 min. but i think a solid hour with a bigger battery pack, lets say 4.7kwh, should be realistic and not adding too much weight. i also flew a blackdevil before. it was smooth and nice but not enough thrust for me. i will try get more tests done as soon i can
before with my old wing and small lipo 20 min. with the new lipo i think 30-40 min are realistic. but because the weight is so little and size of that pack is very small i will put 2 of those lipos on soon to double flight time. of course everything need tests first but i am confident that 80 min are easy possible. also depends how you fly. you can go up to cloud base on a thermally day and fly 4 hours. or you can burn the pack down with fast low level slalom bashing. same as with electric cars. if you hypermiling and feather the throttle its possible to get much more range. if i fly with other gasoline powered pilots i can see electric is the way i wanna go. everybody fiddle around with the dirty smelly stuff in car while i just packed up and had no mess. love it!
i try to make a unit to sell asap. but in my opinion its not worth it to fiddle around with the old frame. too many things need to be changed and welded. frames are not expensive to make and rather sell everything as a set instead of just sending out a box full of parts and wish the buyer good luck. really not that easy to just plug&play 4 bolts on and plug a battery in.
i specially made a lightweight EPPG for people who dont want carry 30kg of stuff around. ua-cam.com/video/tYdst2wWbtE/v-deo.html please see my latest 2 videos. the total take off weight when we start selling it will be less than 20kg. i think 18-19kg including battery. maybe even less. flight time around half hour and fast swapping battery system. alot older aged pilots already saw it and love it. very easy to pick up and carry to launch. very quiet to fly and landings are hassle free due to the low weight. price will also be well below current units. check it out if you have time. happy flying
ua-cam.com/video/RRUy1M2iXNE/v-deo.html see the beginning of this video. you will understand what i mean by lightweight. the pilot here os over 50 and have no issues to fling the unit on like a backpack.
oh i wish! i am german, living in china. this is the only open space we got here around my city. there are couple of tiny LZ near rivers but dangerous and unstable winds. i miss to have a big emtpy desert or fields with grass where i can fly around. but noooope! 😅
@@rupman27isback its nice here and the stable breeze is almost 100% guarantee to fly every time. but i need drive 5-6 hours each time i go here. makes it come with a high price. but i am still happy to fly here.
no thats my own creation. same motor but different ESC, different frame, different throttle and battery. the newest videos also show a new lightweight prototype
2:50min is take off if you wanna SKIP the assembly part! ☝
When we can get to about 800-1000 Wh/kg energy density (about 3 hours of flight time on a single battery pack weighing about 20-25kg), I will happily dump every single gas paramotor I've ever owned and move to electric. Excellent stuff!!!
that is far away in the future i guess. but we are slowly getting there! 20kg for 3 hours flight time is magic territory and if we would have that right now everybody would dump gasoline. as i said electric isnt for everybody but i love it even right now and will never ever go back to gasoline. since i cant find really much information about this entire EPPG thing i decided to start this journey myself and see where it goes.
@@PhoenixBoy749 you need 4 of those batteries to reach the voltage. 44kg only battery. including paramotor you will be around 60kg
Yes, you MUST fly for 3 hours at a time 😂
@@akbarshoed hahaha no you don't have to fly for 3 hours at a time. But when I fly, I do not generally want to be limited in my flight time. I've never flown more than 2h 20m, but I was thrilled to have put in the gas to do so, as it was a bit unplanned. When battery tech, or motor efficiency, reaches 3 hours of flight time for even a big pilot like me, I'm fully in.
@@ooglekPersonally all the benfits from electric are so big I'd rather be limited in a flight I might make once a year then have to deal with gas.
Very Cool. Impressed that you went to a B wing with that confidence & pulled it off! Smart to go where there's good sea breeze to start with.
i was tired with my way too small ENA which feels like a wet towel at this size. the spyder is super light. ok it rips when you just look at it funny but overall i am so much more happy with it. finally i can flare and not just continue to tank down. was weird feeling and need time to get used to for sure. so touchy compared to a ENA.
talking about oscillations. how to make it stop? any advice?`each time i counter they stop for a second and than everything becomes a playground swing again haha
@@cloudpandarism2627 So you were at top of your EN A weight range for the size, I see. So in practice your EN A glider has less pendulum effect than this B. I'm in P1 school, I work with a big A glider. Best of luck, thanks for not flying like a barnstormer.
@@RoofAndAMeal4UsAll barnstormer? ok not gonna lie that a first for me haha!
yes i was far over the max weight limit of my ENA which made it fast AND difficult to handle. no flare energy left on landings. difficult to launch and land. all disadvantages at once. the spyder 3 is fast but also much easier to fly
E-Bro. You are the man. Thank you for detailing the charging times verse the percentage charged. Love this type of Info. Very informative..
range anxiety is the biggest reason pilots still refuse electric paramotors. i stick to my opinion: its not for everybody. if you wanna do 5 hour cross country flights, by all means stick to your gasoline engine.
but if you love a quiet vibration free smooth and insane powerful unit which can be charged on the field in same time you need to make a cup of tea then this is a good option for a nice afternoon exploration flight after work. it doesnt smell inside the car. and is overall so clean.
i wanna show that its possible to use any electric car 230V output to fly the entire day on location. charging one battery pack while using the second pack to fly for 35-45min for example. come back to land and have a snack. swap battery and continue to fly.
or just combine both packs and fly 80-90min.
depending on weather 20-30min is my personal sweetspot. after that time i wanna come back and have a break. spend some time with family and go back up for another flight. these batterie packs are much cheaper than anybody think so its also very easy to buy a third or even fourth pack in case you dont have a hybrid or electric car/ powerplug nearby. just charge them all up before you leave to your LZ. the charger i use in the video can charge 4 seperate batteries same time. having the option to increase charging to 60 amps will get 4 batteries from empty to full in an hour.
i see others around me with DIY electric PPGs here and they need 2-4 hours to charge only 1 battery which can then fly for 15-20 min...
i would not want to wait such long time. would you?
@@cloudpandarism2627 The waiting game, is not a game that i want to play either. Fast Charger for the Win..
Sweet! Charging from your EV. I have a EV VW ID4, never thought of this. If you could optionally attach a charger to the frame and use EV stations, you could potentially do long distances on an EV paramotor. Or have your partner in the EV follow you for long distance flights. Nice!
the charger is too heavy and big i think. a fast charger for 4kw could get the battery full in 30 minutes but for that you need carry around 6kg extra. not worth it. what is better is as you said correct, have your wife drive the electric car to the next spot. bring the charger there where you land and charge it full like that haha! in this video you see the most powerful charger i could find for the time being. 60 amps is ridiculous. my car have a 16A 230V outlet and it still shut off sometimes because the load towards end gets too high. i got a second charger with "only" 2500w around 51A max. that should be fast enough for most situations. would you consider getting one of the first prototypes for a better price and use your car to charge and fly? give your honest opinion about it.
@@cloudpandarism2627 Yes, that charger is too big, I was thinking if there was a way to optimize it somehow and also only taken when doing a long distance. Like it's probably mostly heat-sink. Could the frame and/or ESC heat-sink be shared somehow? Charger and ESC's use is mutually exclusive after-all...but you are probably right its not a great value/reward proposition. I reached out via email.
I fly a nano paratrike powered by a Vittorazi Moster 185. I cannot wait to go electric . When 90 minutes real flight time happens I switch. Excellent video !
i had a moster 185 before. what a piece of shiat that was and beside my countless efforts to beg vittorazi for help or advice they couldnt care less. i was unlucky and had a monday model or something. broken so many times. that was the biggest trigger to change for me. i hated that thing with all my heart and had no trust anymore because it was broken literally after every second flight on a different place. brand new unit i wanna add and well maintained. i am making a new video after the typhoon is done here where i wanna talk about this. i will never ever touch gasoline again. 90 min is a steep request. possible but need carry extra weight.
oh hold on you said trike? 90 minutes are absolute no problem since you dont need carry that on your back. triple the new micro battery pack and you are there.
Yes, it´s a super light trike that I love as is today but going electric is my obsession. Geiger Engineering in Germany can do 90 minutes but the cost is way to high, insanely high. Still Geiger is the brand that everybody respects in the E flying community. Wished you published more info on your system !!!!@@cloudpandarism2627
Hi mate loving what your doing with electric, if you haven't already could you or would you share details so I could copy your paramotor? Thanks Jim@@cloudpandarism2627
As battery technology evolves, electric is definitely going to be the way to go.
Charge and fly is very appealing. Once we can get 2 hr flight times without hauling to much weight, I'm ready!
2 hours is possible but you carry extra weight thats true. my sweet spot is 30 min and then i wanna land to have a rest. so for me this is perfect. i cant understand how you professionals fly so long time without getting tired and arms falling off. 😅 maybe i am too old for this. but yeah you are right. eventually we will get there. couple more years in development. for me right now flying electric have WAAAY more benefits than disadvantages. in china people are not allowed to just go and buy gasoline in a canister. because too many idiots would burn the station down while smoking. so they just made it impossible to fill up your paramotor without alot trouble.
then there is no gasoline smell in the car on way home which gave me insane headaches each time i went to fly.
no more messing around with oil mixtures and engine maintenance. noise and strong vibrations combined with the heat on my back really threw me off couple of times to the point it was almost painful to fly. (because my brand new but crap moster185 was a monday unit with lots and lots of problems as you see in my crash videos before)
all that is gone with electric and having a hybrid car with 230V 16A outlet was a nobrainer for me to switch to EPPG. i love how silent it is and smooth while having insane power to get my fat a$$ up.
i am always happy to hear other pilots opinions about this. keep the blue side up mate and thanks for your comment°
i tested the new massive SSL battery yesterday. way beyond 1 hour flight time and less weight than my gasoline 172 black devil before. i got like 200gb footage from that and try to upload a video soon. 3 people flew the same battery. first me couple of minutes. came back to land. i just went out the harness. my flight teacher jumped in and flew half hour. then he did some touch/go´s, landed and then his brother flew another half hour. after he came back battery was still 29% plus reserve. we are creeping up on 2 hours. my flight teacher broke both of his legs so for him heavy paramotors are a pain but even he said carrying this is a breeze. no problem at all cause the weight is so close to pilots back.
I think you said this is a 30 Ah pack. You should consider charging over 1C degrades the battery cells. It may bode well to slow charge it after a flight or the night before instead of supercharging it when you're setting up. You're going to lose endurance.
Another major characteristic is max cell voltage, that charge probably goes to 4.2V, further diminishing the capacity of the pack, so there are 2 things working against you. If anything end the charge early. With my escooter, I opened the charge and reduced the top voltage to 4.10V, an industry go to for longer life with a lion lipo.
good points but the cells i use have a normal charging rate of 10C and 15C fast charging. having currents around 19-20 amps is already much lower than people normally use to charge them. i also found out that there is nothing worse for lipos then charging them at night and leave them at full capacity sitting half day until LZ arrival. its much better to take them fresh off the charger with a bit temperature already inside from charging so they dont reach their optimal discharge temperature later from draining cells with motor.
but in principle you are right. charging cells slower is doing them well. thats why i have a new charger on way to me which can be set to 10 or 15 amps instead of 20A which is the minimum for that huge charger. and i will also use trhe internal 230V 10A outlet in my car to charge the battery while i am driving to my flying area because i always need to drive 2.-3 hours anyway. perfect for getting the pack full on arrival and still keep the C rate rather low.
charging the night before to 4.19 and then just leave the battery standing there for 12 hours is a bad idea because voltage will always drop to 4.10 or even lower. i am working with lithium batteries for 10 years now and leaving them fully charged for longer periods of time hurts them the most.
i accept a slightly faster degeneration because these batteries are not same crazy expensive than lets say a high quality sony 21700 pack which should last go 6 years.
i am happy to get 2-3 years out of these batteries but having multiple of them to change in between flights which further reduces stress as if you fly with 1 battery every day and fast charge it to get back up in the air ASAP right?
but good point for sure! subbed to your channel!🙌
oh and i wanna show whats possible. alot people say they dont like flying/charging times. having 2 or 3 packs and a charger on your field with lets say a tesla this should not be anbodys concern anymore. yes i agree this is not your 5 hours cross country unit but its also not meant to be one. this is a lightweight smooth and very quiet paramotor for a relaxing flight after work. no gasoline or smell /oil keruffle in car anymore. just take it out from trunk and have a chilled evening flight.
@@cloudpandarism2627 Like electric cars, it has its application. I often fly with buddies and we always do 1.5 to 2 hr flights. Looking at gaggle stats browsing public flights, Id say the majority are under 1 hr, more like 30 min. Seems like a lot of people would be happy with ePPG.
For the 10C charge in a commercially available battery I think those are inflated quite a bit. I've been a battery test engineer for a few years working with automotive stuff, they don't go past 1C. The goal here is to meet life cycle requirements, so part of this is reducing C rates and closing the voltage window, not charging to 4.2V to start it's life.
If you do the math with a Tesla, they're not going past 1C or not very of they do. Huge capacity makes up for high charge and discharge rates. Try to poke around your charger and see if you can force it to stop at ~4.10v, this way you can charge the battery and not worry about it. As the pack degrades, then open it up to 4.2 to get more out of it.
Perfect take-off and landings 👏
thanks mate! still learning. i am just around 20 total flights and making mistakes here and there. someday i will get the hang of this stuff 😅
@@cloudpandarism2627 same here . I had about 17 flights . Haven't had a flight since last April. Can't wait to fly again
@@Patrick_cb yeah i also didnt fly recently. but next week a big test will come up with lots of videos.
@cloudpandarism2627 cool . I'll be following your channel.
@@Patrick_cb 🙌 alright. if you interested in electric PPG there will be awesome news soon. i hope sales will start this spring. we are working nonstop on 4 new protoypes.
Great stuff! Love the increased battery life. Definitely want to go electric down the road. Also I just bought an insta X3 and WOW is it cool. I love the fact you can do all the editing right on your phone, although I wish they had a separate app for the computer. It's nice to be able to use the phone but at the same time, I like the option to use the bigger screen.
cheers mate. yes its amazing. flying electric and X3 too. go to search the insta360 studio 2023 for windows and all your dreams will come true to work on a big screen.
NICE thanks for that.@@cloudpandarism2627
I love these videos, Panda! So great to see you back in the air. That LiPo motor and new wing are brilliant! 👌❤
cheers mate! new battery is much smaller and lightweight but i can fly longer than before. not sure how much time yet. new wing is so agile and a bit scary but so much easier to land. also because much higher efficiency than my old mop. that alone will increase flight time for sure.
Beach flying looks like it would be so much fun!
except the sand it is fantastic. me as fatty pilot love the smooth wind there and open space. something really rare here in china. had to drive 5 hours yesterday for that short flight. please do come visit and teach me forward zero wind launches. you make it look so effortless and easy. everytime i see your video i am sitting here shake my head and yell at my screen: "hoooow is that guy not cheating to get up that easy!?" 🤣
PS: is time for a new 360 lens bro. yours is scratched like hell. haha
That is a good wing, amazing how much power that motor has! 60A charge rate, wow that is a lot of current. Happy days.
there he is! cheers mark. yes its so much more than my gasoline paramotors before. even a moster 185 with 140cm prop feels like children toy compare to that. i love it and dont mind the half hour flight time at all. i like come in for landing anyway and have a rest. swap batteries and go back up.
yes the new wing was big success. after i almost give up of ever being able to land more soft, this feels really good. its a new thing for me to flare and actually go back up instead just hit the ground and almost faceplant every landing. one big disadvantage it have: because max size i can not get the wing down after landing if winds are strong like this. cobra, grabbing D or brakes and pull them down to my ankles. i cant make the wing stay on ground. it shot back up even with brakes down into the beach sand and dragged me. any advice?
@@cloudpandarism2627 I don't fly in high wind, but grabbing the Ds can help, but I'm not an expert in taming a wing in high winds. Good luck! 🤣🤣
@@markallisonparamotor oh god. seems nobody really knows what to do with a huge wing in high winds. i say let the dragging session begin next time! 😅thanks for coming around mark!
@@cloudpandarism2627 maybe just go to the beach and do some practise with a harness on until you get comfortable.
@@markallisonparamotor i just bought a new harness and will do that next time! 👍🏻
Wonderful video! You mentioned this video to see how the frame was assembled. I know you have been doing improvements and upgrades BUT...I love this design as it reminds me of what I had been flying (Fly Products Eclipse). Very straightforward and easy to assemble and take apart...perfect! I own a Tesla Model Y but I cannot charge FROM the car here in the USA...it can obviously be done. I have seen EV's in Europe and now yours doing it but I have not been able to find an adapter here in the states (perhaps I am just not finding it). There are EV's with 110 outlets but mine only has the cigarette lighter or USB outlets. This kind of set-up would be a dream to me! Thanks!
as far i know every tesla can use an adapter on the charge port to activate external output. my friend have a model Y. hold on i ask him because i talk to him before and he say its possible
@@cloudpandarism2627 I’ll check again but I’ve read that something with the USA cars makes this difficult but I’ll continue to investigate. Thanks!
@@loums52 i just called my friend with the model Y and he send me a link what this thing looks like. its a simple adapter which takes the slow charging port on your model Y and converts that to 220V 10KW outles with a little box. cost around 200$ or so. steam25@gmail.com. talk to me there i send you the link and you can get it. is also useful when going camping or just relax outside. any electric BBQ, lights or other stuff works well with this. i am using the outlet all the time in my car to not only charge my EPPG when i am at the beach but also to cook there, plug in a fan in summer or even bring my espresso machine to make a nice latte outside haha!but like you said: if its a bit different for USA models we need find out whats the deal behind this.
This is a useful video! Thanks
cheers mate! i continue developing and exiting things are happening here. this older video was one of the first prototypes i build. now we are far beyond that point.
@cloudpandarism2627 this video is 6 months old! Wow.
@@akbarshoed so much new things happened since that time. check out the new display with custom functions. i am very proud for it.
Congrats! That's the exact wing and color scheme I want :)
color wasnt my favorite and next wing will have custom colors but i didnt want to wait the extra time and my god is it good! for the first time i am able to land and launch like a normal pilot instead of running my butt of each time and impact like a rock on landings. the only big difference i feel is there is much more oscillations you need to active control all the time but i am beginner and need to learn more. other than that this wing is fantastic!
@@cloudpandarism2627 Sounds exactly like I hoped. That's an awesome wing! And that happens to be the color scheme I like. What colors would you pick for a custom one?
@@TweakRacer white, black and neon yellow since my EPPG have these colors on it. and maybe even a logo with a big panda paw on haha! 🐾
@@cloudpandarism2627 Ah, yes that would be cool! I noticed your color scheme in the video where your lighter/smaller friend flew your ePPG. Also noticed you were testing a 2-blade prop, instead of your 3-blade E-Prop.
AMAZING, looks like so much fun my friend.
cheers! it is. bit boring for you guys maybe because i am still beginner and test alot stuff each flight instead of just land at mcdonalds to have fun. but everything works perfect and i hope i can start do adventure flying sooner or later
@@cloudpandarism2627What would you order at McDonald's?
Great flying, camera view and editing! Nice new wing! 👌🎇
haha thanks brother! the wing is so good! i need get used to the oszillations because its so much more agile. i could weight shift and wigle around alot before with my APCO towel. nothing happend. i tried to get more into seat and that caused massive swinging off camera.
i really hope you can at least strap one cam to your helmet and take us to fly on your electric motor as well next time
Great sound editing with your music. I heard what you did there. Very nice touch.
🤣 comment right below yours from yesterday literally: @RustyCyler "Thumbs down for use of unnecessary annoying background muzak."
i realize i cant make it right for everybody. some people appreciate music and i always try choose something soft and easy on the ears to not annoy anybody. while others get really offended, feeling the need to let their inner 3 year old out and throw a tantrum.
i had no wind blocker on the mic these last 2 flights so other than wind noise there was nothing else to hear. i think next flight i try put some more motor sound in again but cheers for writing that comment. ☺
would you fly electric?
@@cloudpandarism2627 it’s always best to make it so you enjoy it first. When you start making videos for other people, it takes the fun out of it. I loved it.
@@Team.Louish thats what i do. but i also try not pi$$ others of on purpose. 😋 you right. i gonna check your channel! awesome stuff there.
@@cloudpandarism2627 Yes I plan to get electric one day.
@@Team.Louish i love to hear it. for pro pilots i think electric is a nice alternative to add a useful motor to their collection and take the gasoline units to fly crosscountry or longer flights overall. and have the electric unit inside car at all times for a relaxed after work or quick holiday flight where you not need to fiddle around with oil, gasoline and other messy stuff. made such a huge difference for me that i can have an engine inside my car all time without the smell and ready to go at any time. if i decide to fly somewhere i need drive 1-2 hours and i simply use the time i drive to charge battery full while going there. when i arrive i get 100% pack fresh from the charger. its perfect. some friends here have Tesla cars and they all gonna buy a unit from me when i finish the second smaller prototype and test it enough.
for me personally electric is plenty of flight time since i never like to go up more than 30 or maybe maximum 40 min. i couldnt be more happy to never need touch gasoline PPG anymore. but of course everybody have different ideas how long they wanna fly. all fine for me! cheers°
Nice video, congrats! I have a question i guess that electric motor should be working very silent right?
yes to get a better understanding see this video i made specially to let people experience what it sounds like ua-cam.com/video/oo-gHVg8afk/v-deo.html
Hey Panda, great video, may I ask what settings you use on your X3? My footage never looks anything like yours? Do you use manual ISO, shutter speed, etc? Thanks and greetings from Austria, happy landings! Max
servus max, also ISO 100, WB setzt du irgendwas zwischen 5000-6000k. ich habs meist auf 5500k am strand. dann shutter auto und 5k30. color auf VIVID weil das LOG profil der cam ein witz ist und du alle farben verlierst. schärfe hab ich auf medium. dann aufm pc schneiden, bildausschnitte wählen. beim export 3480x2160 und 120mbit export. die clips im schnittprogramm deiner wahl bissl anpassen. contrast, tiefen lichter, sättigung blabla und dann hast du genau die einstellungen die du hier in meinem video als ergebnis siehst. wenns immernoch scheisse aussieht dann brauchst sonne und blauen himmel. oft sind X3 videos matt und flau. bei sonne und gutem wetter is top. alles andere wie wolken lassich direkt bleiben weils kein sinn bei der cam macht. achja und leicht überbelichten hift oft. versuch mal +0,3 oder +0,7. ich schau mir mal deinen kanal an was du hochgeladen hast
@@cloudpandarism2627 hey sehr geil vielen Dank, in meinem Meduno Video siehst du meine bescheidene Qualität recht deutlich haha
Lean back when launching. Take the wind out of the equation and you aren’t getting airborne running straight up and down.
thanks brother, you are right. i have less than 20 total flights and still need to learn alot. i will try to remember it next flight 🫡🫵🏻
It makes such a huge difference in effort needed to launch. You’ll feel the difference and know for that moment on. I, as well, am new to the sport and when I felt the difference it made, especially in nil wind launches, it made failed launches become effortless.
@@PPGDV sounds too good to be real. is it really such big difference? i never had a nil wind launch in my life. not in training. and not when i fly alone. i tried lean back in the past but the only result i got from that was that the seat tries to "scoop" my legs and push me into seating position way before i had enough airspeed to fly. so i had some very close near misses with my cage hitting the ground and didnt spend much efforts to try that again because i knew i fly in wind only. but i give it another try for sure now because i have the new OZONE wing instead of my APCO towel. thanks alot for the tip. i have nobody here can teach me. all the so called "coach" gave me nothing but wrong advice before. if you see something wrong in future, please feel free to make a comment about it. i need all the help i can get ☺🙏
That’s the future of paramotors for sure. Ideally an ejection system for those batteries would be perfect. Just saying. Nice editing as usual!
is in progress. right now the straps will melt in case of fire and battery drops. but i have a system which lets the pilot eject the battery at any time. good point! many people talk about that. also interesting to hear batteries are dangerous since gasoline is so much more flammable yet nobody talk about ejecting the tank. same goes for electric cars. if a tesla is on fire we see that in all news. statisticly every months hundreds of normal cars burn down but nobody talks about it anymore because we see it as normal. maybe it have something to do with batteries are fairly new tech and people like to justify in their minds that of course it must be more dangerous 😅
@@cloudpandarism2627 Thanks for sharing this insight! It's great to hear that you're actively addressing safety concerns in the design. The ability for the pilot to eject the battery in case of a fire is definitely a crucial safety feature.
You make a valid point about the perception of battery safety compared to traditional fuel sources like gasoline. It's interesting how new technologies tend to get more attention when things go wrong, while established technologies with their own risks are often taken for granted.
I guess it's human nature to be more cautious about what we're less familiar with, and it's also a testament to the rapid evolution of battery technology. It's good to see the discussion happening and the industry continually improving in terms of safety. 😅
@@mountainblack very nicr answer! i esnna say more later. driving now
@@mountainblack ok here we go i am home now. yes i agree with every point you made. i trust these batteries with my life otherwise i would not fly. lipos just dont burst into flames for no reason. otherwise car manufacturer wouldnt build electric cars right? there are 3 reasons they could cause fire. short circuit, puncture and overcharging. last reason is out because we dont charge while flying. short circuit is possible if the ESC have a stroke and something terrible happens with the PCB. but i am using a good high quality ESC with fuses inside to prevent exactly that. puncture is possible if pilot crashes and fall backwards into metal poles but if that happens and metal sticks are inside your back i guess battery fire is not a big concern anymore. i tested the cells against impact by grabbing a stone and whack it as hard as i could. nothing.
then i drove over it with my 2.5 ton car. nothing.
then i out it in front of the tire and accelerate as hard as i could. again nothing.
battery was fully charged at that point and didnt even swelled up after 10 min. as a last resort
i put the battery on the street. drove 100 meter away with my car. went straight back and slammed on the brake as hard as possible while running ot over with one tire.
and THAT finally made it smoke. but no fire. the cell was totally destroyed and smeared across the pavement. i remember lipos 10 years ago where you just needed to look at them funny and they went into thermal runaway 😂.
so technically its possible to have a lipo fire mid air. just very unlikely...still possible though - thats the reason why i am developing a system to eject the battery. i doubt anybody will ever use it. but its a good way to calm pilots down who still dont trust new technology which is fine by me. now the straps are not fireproof for that reason. i thought about this alot and there is still risk because batteries swell up to double their size in case of fire. that means the space in between the frame could not be big enough. yes straps will melt but if cells swelling up to double the size and the entire pack get stuck? i am working on something which wont affect that problem and can still eject a battery mid air. if its done i will show it here.
glad to talk with you about this. many people told me same issues but didnt want listen any of my solutions. it was always same result. lipo is baaaaad. dont fly. topic closed. 😂
i am happy you listen and understand my point. i also like safety and dont want get fried while flying. thats what we always do. minimize risks for PPG.
@@cloudpandarism2627 Thank you ! Your dedication to safety and your meticulous testing process are truly commendable. It's clear that you've put a lot of thought and effort into addressing the safety concerns associated with flying using these batteries. Your commitment to safety and your willingness to explore solutions rather than dismiss the technology altogether is admirable.
The fact that you're developing a system to eject the battery, even if it's unlikely to be used, is a testament to your commitment to safety and the well-being of pilots. Even if it's only used in rare, extreme situations, knowing that it's there as a last resort can provide peace of mind to both you and your fellow pilots.
Any system that could potentially save even one life is incredibly rewarding and significant. It's a reminder that innovation and continuous improvement in technology can make a real difference in enhancing safety.
Your efforts and mindset towards minimizing risks for PPG are exactly what the aviation community needs, and it's great to see that you're willing to engage in constructive discussions about these important topics. Keep up the excellent work, and I look forward to seeing your progress on the ejection system!" 😊🪂✈
Cool content Panda . Be sure that i do not wanna talk about D .... keep on going
🤣thanks tom
What size wing is that..?
30m max size.
Feels good especially for my spine problems - it's probably lighter than traditional two strokes. But this technology requies at least 20 yrs of dev to be good enough (and safe).
i just finished a super lightweight prototype. 18kg ready to take off for a solid 35min afternoon flight. its safe.
my moster 185cc was 36kg take off weight. i hated that bloody thing.
@@cloudpandarism2627 I want tp see that lightweight prototype as soon an possible and know how much would a complette ready to fly unit cost, includding shipping to Spain. Thanks
@@neosugus you seem to be really interested... how can i contact you? i send you some photos. whatsapp maybe?
Bro, that frame look nice, very similar to my openppg. Is that titanium and did you weld it yourself? I would very much like to own a Ti one over the ALU!
cheers mate. i have highest respect for the SP140 and dont want copy them at all costs but do my own thing. i got a frame welder here and yes its all titanium and carbonfiber. this was the first gen. meanwhile alot has changed and it will be very different. less weight, less power, longer flight times, new controller and display. i got a titanium prototype here you can have?
@@cloudpandarism2627 I am quite interested when you improve your current frame. But it looks pricey though =)
@@ridecrypto the one here is already very different from this video. i got like 5 of them standing, collecting dust. flown 3 times for tests. and its not pricey. estimate something like half of SP140. if you know somebody need one let me know. 👊
Biggest question off course, how long of a flight can you make with this battery? Offcourse it depends on wing/setup etc… but very curious
cheers mate. so flight time with smallest battery around half hour. biggest battery should be at least 90 min or more. need test but weather was terrible last months.
Thanks for your answer guy’s most of my flights are below 90 minutes so that would be good for me, but usually i’ll climb to 500/100 ft for my flights and i do fly a fast wing so am wondering how it performs for those conditions. Currently flying a corsair black devil with a lot of power. I have flown a OpenPPG sp140 with the 4kw battery, but i only get 40 minuten out of that so that is not worth it for me yet… hope the batteries keep evolving to more power to weight ratio.
@@arjankars5819 if you fly faster wings and treat an EPPG same as PPG the benefits you get flying electric wont be that big. of course you can always strap a bigger battery on but there is a limit what most people are ready to carry. a fast wing and playful flying style will problably not give you 90 min. but i think a solid hour with a bigger battery pack, lets say 4.7kwh, should be realistic and not adding too much weight. i also flew a blackdevil before. it was smooth and nice but not enough thrust for me. i will try get more tests done as soon i can
Very nice 👏congratulations, size of you wing?
i am flying 31m spyder3 but we also tested small fast wings.
Excellent!
thanks brother. oooh the honor to hear that from you 🫡😋😜
24s god damn
Fantastisch!😍
Pretty cool thing. How far/long you can fly with that?
before with my old wing and small lipo 20 min. with the new lipo i think 30-40 min are realistic. but because the weight is so little and size of that pack is very small i will put 2 of those lipos on soon to double flight time. of course everything need tests first but i am confident that 80 min are easy possible. also depends how you fly. you can go up to cloud base on a thermally day and fly 4 hours. or you can burn the pack down with fast low level slalom bashing. same as with electric cars. if you hypermiling and feather the throttle its possible to get much more range. if i fly with other gasoline powered pilots i can see electric is the way i wanna go. everybody fiddle around with the dirty smelly stuff in car while i just packed up and had no mess. love it!
@@cloudpandarism2627 Cool, I think 30-40 mins are nice.
I want to convert my ICE to electric. Where can I get this motor, controller, and batteries in the U.S?
i try to make a unit to sell asap. but in my opinion its not worth it to fiddle around with the old frame. too many things need to be changed and welded. frames are not expensive to make and rather sell everything as a set instead of just sending out a box full of parts and wish the buyer good luck. really not that easy to just plug&play 4 bolts on and plug a battery in.
@@cloudpandarism2627, please put me on the list for a unit to buy.
Verynice takeoff.❤
How much weight of paramotor setup?
My age 64 my weight is 57kg.
Can i use it?
i specially made a lightweight EPPG for people who dont want carry 30kg of stuff around. ua-cam.com/video/tYdst2wWbtE/v-deo.html
please see my latest 2 videos. the total take off weight when we start selling it will be less than 20kg. i think 18-19kg including battery. maybe even less. flight time around half hour and fast swapping battery system. alot older aged pilots already saw it and love it. very easy to pick up and carry to launch. very quiet to fly and landings are hassle free due to the low weight. price will also be well below current units. check it out if you have time. happy flying
ua-cam.com/video/RRUy1M2iXNE/v-deo.html see the beginning of this video. you will understand what i mean by lightweight. the pilot here os over 50 and have no issues to fling the unit on like a backpack.
Currently, only 250 wh/kg from lithium ion battery tech, so 800 most likely impossible.
really? are you a battery manufacturer? i talk to mine every day and he have different opinion. tell me about it. i wanna know
Great video! And nice LZ is that in California?
oh i wish! i am german, living in china. this is the only open space we got here around my city. there are couple of tiny LZ near rivers but dangerous and unstable winds. i miss to have a big emtpy desert or fields with grass where i can fly around. but noooope! 😅
@cloudpandarism2627 sorry to hear.. but hey your LZ is nice.
@@rupman27isback its nice here and the stable breeze is almost 100% guarantee to fly every time. but i need drive 5-6 hours each time i go here. makes it come with a high price. but i am still happy to fly here.
@@cloudpandarism2627 Oh wow! That's a very long drive! I have nice LZs 15 mins away from me. I'm from central Calif. We have a lot of open fields.
@@rupman27isback yeah just rub the salt in buddy. i hate you 😂
J’en veux pour mon école 🤝
i send you some units. the new 19kg lightweight is perfect for students
@@cloudpandarism2627 avec plaisir
@@cloudpandarism2627 tu as un site internet ?
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@@cloudpandarism2627ok avec plaisir tapez air aile Paramoteur sur Google
Is this the paramotor from openppg?
no thats my own creation. same motor but different ESC, different frame, different throttle and battery. the newest videos also show a new lightweight prototype
@@cloudpandarism2627 nice! How much flight time do you get?
Price kya hain?
399$
no answer? ok 199$ for you sir!
ok last offer, 1$ for you! no?
da fliegt er 😂
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Is it sp140 ppg?