Thought is responsible for our confusion | J. Krishnamurti
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Thought is responsible for our confusion | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from Public Talk 4, Madras, India, 1981
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TRANSCRIPT: Why is there conflict between you, your husband, your wife, your neighbour? You follow? Why? In that relationship thought plays a great part. Right? Thought. Both sexually and in other ways. I won’t go into all the details of it because it is fairly simple. Thought plays a great part in our intimate relationship. Thought creates the image of the man or the woman, and the relationship is between these two images. Are you following all this? Or you are all asleep. So actual relationship doesn’t exist. It exists between these two images which thought has created. So thought may be responsible for conflict. I wonder if you see all this. So is it possible not to create the image? You follow? That is, seeing, contact, sensation - car, the image you have built - you sitting in that car, putting your hands on the steering wheel and driving off. It is the same thing as in our personal relationship, which is the image you have built about her or him, it may take one minute to create that image or you have accumulated a series of images and she also has created a series of images. So thought is the origin of conflict. I wonder if you see this. Right? At least a few of us, let’s go together.
Then the problem arises, how is one to put an end to this movement of creating images all the time? You are following? Is that at all possible? Because we live by images, the images of the past, the remembrance of incidents, pleasant, unpleasant and all the rest of it. This is our life. And if thought is the origin of this disorder in our relationship then what place has thought at all? You understand? I wonder if you are understanding what I am talking about.
You see, let’s go into it. You see this, you see it very clearly, at least verbally, intellectually, that thought begins all the mess in our relationship, then the question arises, how am I to stop thought? - which is a totally wrong question. I wonder if you see that. Because you, who want to stop thought, you are created by thought. I wonder if you see that. Right? So thought has divided itself as the controller and the controlled. Then you ask the question: how am I to control thought? So we are saying that is a wrong question. That question indicates that you haven’t grasped the whole movement of thought, that thought has broken itself up as the thinker and thought, the controller and the controlled. So do we realise this fact that the controller is the controlled? So what takes place? You understand my question? I see very clearly - if one sees it - I see very clearly that thought is the root of this disorder because thought in itself is utterly limited, it can imagine it is limitless but in fact it is limited. It can conceive theoretically what is time, what is beyond time, I’ve got it and all that but it has no value. What has value is our daily life.
So the question when you say, how am I to stop thought, is a wrong question because thought is the controller and the controlled. Right? Does one see this obvious fact? Or you make an abstraction of it as an idea and say, how am I to carry out that idea? Which means you haven’t grasped the full significance of this fact. Right? When you make an abstraction you are dealing with non-fact. What is fact is the conflict which thought has created, the disorder. So do you actually perceive - perceive - that the thinker is the root of this? You have created the image between you and your wife, husband and so on, and that image is not actual, it is a material structure created by thought which acts as a barrier, and therefore no love. Thought is not love. We will go into that some time.
So the question is: does your mind, your brain actually perceive the fact that thought is responsible for our confusion, disorder? When you perceive the fact what takes place? That’s what I want to get at. Let’s move from there. You understand? When you see danger, physical danger, there is instant action, unless you are neurotic, or drugged, or drunk, or whatever it is. If you see something dangerous there is immediate response. Now why does your brain not see the danger that thought creates disorder? The danger of disorder. You are following? Why? There, your brain is tremendously active when you see a danger - the adrenaline, the whole blood, everything responds. There your life is threatened. Here also your life is threatened, which is, living in disorder is a great threat, a great danger to human beings. Why doesn’t the brain equally see it, instantly the danger of this as it sees the other? You are following my question? Why? Come on, sirs! Why do we not see, to live in disorder is the greatest danger? Is it because we are used to disorder? Please, don’t accept what the speaker is saying. We are accustomed to disorder, we put up with disorder, we haven’t the energy to create order. Which all means what? Please go into your brain, look at it, please! Laziness, indifference, lack of aesthetic appreciation of that which is beautiful? Is it the brain having accepted disorder, disregards it, is indifferent to it, and therefore, what happens to the brain that has created disorder - thought - which has created disorder, and accepts it, what happens to such a brain? Come on, sirs! It becomes naturally very dull. When you accept anything it must be dull. Right? When you accept your relationship with another, which is essentially conflict, when you accept it, you have accepted something which is disorderly, unaesthetic, immoral. So what happens? Your life becomes mediocre, dull, and - sit there and just listen to some rubbish.
So listening to all this, is there order now in your life, not tomorrow, immediately, because you see the danger? I wonder if you see this. You understand what I am saying? You act instantly to danger, physical danger. And here you don’t act, for various reasons. A brain that is awake, alert, sees the danger of disorder. Which means what? The brain with its thought has created this disorder. So the brain sees the danger of it and the brain acts because it must have security, safety. You understand all this? Now is your brain active in that sense? Which is never accepting anything, therefore questioning, asking, looking.
There is such a need at this time for wise words that inspire.
I understand the message. I’ve been trying to explain this but I find it difficult. I’ve said many times “I am not who you think I am” it is never fully understood when I say that. I am me, not your thought of me. I try to further explain that you’re offended because you don’t understand. You think you see a lack of love in those words but there is no lack. When you live in the highest vibrations you “give the benefit of the doubt” and often times you’ll be right because people mostly mean well, you just have to try harder to see that. Even hate itself is misguided love.
jiddu
Eu Perciliana amo ouvir Krishnamurti.Em Português.
Yagna(deep activity) container ( instruement) is Brahman (The Truth),Homa(The act) dravya( bones,the material nature, the vital, passions, feelings, emotions, thoughts, sticky fat, flesh, higher vital, blood and soul, senses, mind, vision and will, the morrow and higher consciousness, the nectar) are The Brahman, Fire(Impelling force inside, sense of Truth,inner Inspiration) is the Brahman, yagna Doer is Brahman, Intensive, voluntary and meditative fruits are The Brahman. -Geetha
There are thoughts that walk alone. -Sri Aurobindo
JK ji Pranamams
This really is the answer to many peoples mental health, bipolar issues. No pills needed.
one of those crows was making some really good points.
The background cawing sound was distracting.
@@selvamthiagarajan8152 Why should it be distracting?
AlexxanderrII I shouldn’t allow myself be distracted, I agree.
@@selvamthiagarajan8152 thats what a thought says
@@mayankify 😵🤯
Hearing this man speak, it feels like everything else we hear is just noise. Very difficult to find someone close to him.
Agreed!
"Very difficult to find someone close to him." Definitely no one alive !
I love his pure spiritual soul.❤
While listening to this, all my thoughts stopped.
I felt peace.
JKFoundation, you guys are a blessing in the universe.
Your presence in making internet/youtube divine.
Please never ever stop doing this noblest of deeds.
I bow down to your feets.
I Bow To Spite
Your are the World, world is you.thanks j.k🌹
The controlled and the controller,which is mind is the greatest damage in our life!!mind creates the confusion on us!!our permanent torture in life,so that is the reason why humanity must change NOW!!!
Thank you Jiddu Krishnamurti
"that the controller is controled".. Well that was deep
This is exactly what I need at this point!
🗣Come on Sirs!
Disorder is the greatest danger 💣
⏳Time for an inventory..
To restore order 🌠
All I got from K is to sit down and watch thought, way it moves, not ad observor
If you think yourself as weak
Weak you will be.
If you think yourself strong
You will be strong
This is the power of visualisation.
The power of visualisation strengthens our will power to
transcend our baser nature.
If all men learn to conquer their vices, our society can become a good place to live
One of the most seriously important things to point out! Thank you for sharing!
Pure pure genius 🙏
Neuroscience is now demonstrating experimentally what K said in simple language years ago as it explains consciousness and in particular consciousness of self. Prof. Anil Seth practically restates K's insights.
Any good reads you wish to share
Woah this is awesome 👌 brilliant speech 👏👏❤
How simple it sounds when jk describes.. but it's next to impossible to grasp.
Na its simple
Don't try to grasp it. Just observe it.
@@mayankify Thats why it is so difficult for humanity, for we have become neurotic
He’s said before if u truly look at the thing it would bloom like a flower and reveal itself to u
thank you for uploading so much
Wow🤯
Your are created thoughts.j.k🌹🌹🌹
Thks for this great video.
When i practiced Karate, years ago we had a saying " a thinking man, is a dead man"
We can experience world only though us , everything happens with in us.understand our conditionings , come in to the realization that there is only what is.every thing thought create have no existential value. Live always in the now.
👌 so powerful, thank you!
"We live by images"
I thought I fell in love 🙏❤️.
Pure gold
This guy should go on the Rogan podcast...
❤️
If you haven't come to this stage,, you will not understand what he's saying,,by the way I have come across this experience,, this man is the telling truth
What a terrible tragedy ; a realised being showing us the way out of our predicament .... you can hear his wisdom and compassion screaming at you .... but it's too late.
Too late for what? K. keep saying that time will not help you. So saying its too late indicates lack of understanding.
CAN YOU NOT SEE WHATS HAPPENING .... ARE YOU BLIND ?
that's just another thought..
That background sound of Laila Laila song is killing the vibe.
super
This really got me to thinking 🤔 wait a second? Am I supposed to be thinking? Give me a minute I’ll think up “create “ the answers.
This is all very profound, although I've already processed all this before. It is ironic however that his, as well as my, insights are a result themselves of thought and images. Using the mind to overcome the mind is futile as the mind confines ones perceptions to the construct of the mind. So one must observe thoughts as a third party and gradually gain perspective without judgement or preconceived notions. Yes but then trying to explain this to others beings one back into the same mind/image trap as that is what communication does because it must travel through the mind/thought/image process in a a very deliberate way thereby becoming the very thing one sought to avoid
one thing he leaves out about the brain in particular is health. i think it is a vital part for brain functioning. health will create order in the brain and body as order will create health too
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Your want to stop the thought yet you are crated by thought.hitting hard
I think we don't see the danger because if we did, then the response would be automatic.
Help me to understand....i couldn't make it out
No one should help us . We ourselves should try to understand.
According to Mr. JK .
Full video link pls
ua-cam.com/video/Tz3ChAPqQZs/v-deo.html
Is the remaining part of that talk available somewhere?
You can find it here: ua-cam.com/video/Tz3ChAPqQZs/v-deo.html
Lot of times I don’t understand what is this disorder which JK refers ,can anyone put in simple terms
13:18 Sit there and listen to some rubbish🤣
Crows need to meet a 12guage with birdy shot
lol
I wonder if you see all this
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You tried so hard to create doubt repetatively. Over and over after being asked not to, but always helped.
Now can you undo yhe doubt you created them to have?
Or' Run baby run...
So you just Do you then when its Not you that needs it haha I get it, sure, but yeah no thanks ;)