LEATHERMAN Wave/ Charge/ Surge [VS] VICTORINOX Swisstool
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- The opinion of diegel, world expert in multi-tool.
It is high time for Victorinox to recover instead of having fun multiplying models in the childish tool mix.
L'avis de diegel, expert mondial en multioutil.
Il serait grand temps que Victorinox se ressaisisse au lieu de s'amuser à multiplier des modèles dans l'enfantillage du panachage d'outil.
Here is my collection of multi-tools (december 2017) [/S = Brand Sheath]
1- BALADEO Outdoor Cutlery Multi-tool /S
2- BEAR & SON - Bear Jaws 155LS /S
3- BUCK X-Tract 730 /S
4- BUCK BuckTool 360 /S
5- BUCK BuckTool 355 /S
6- BYRD ByrdRench BY15P /S
7- COLEMAN Pro Lock /S
8- CRKT Zylla-Tool Jr. /S
9- GANZO G301-H /S
10- GANZO G302-B /S
11- GERBER Balance /S
12- GERBER Bullrush /S
13- GERBER Center-Drive (with Bit Kit) /S
14- GERBER Crucial /S
15- GERBER Crucial F.A.S.T. (with Hex Bit Kit) /S
16- GERBER Curve
17- GERBER Dime
18- GERBER Flik /S
19- GERBER Fit /S
20- GERBER Grappler /S
21- GERBER MP 400 Compact Sport /S
22- GERBER MP 500 Recoil Auto-Plier /S
23- GERBER MP 600 Blunt Nose (old model with Pocket Tool Kit) /S
24- GERBER MP 600 Pro Scout (07564N with Tool Kit) /S
25- GERBER MP 700 Urban Legend /S
26- GERBER MP 800 Legend /S
27- GERBER Octane /S
28- GERBER Radius /S
29- GERBER Strata /S
30- GERBER Suspension /S
31- GERBER Vise
32- JEEP Multifonction tool with crescent wrench
33- KERSHAW A100C /S
34- LEATHERMAN Blast /S (with Removal Bit Driver)
35- LEATHERMAN Charge XTi (with Bit Kit & Pocket Clip & Lanyard Ring & Bit Driver Extender) /S
36- LEATHERMAN Charge TTi 2013 (with Bit Kit & Pocket Clip & Lanyard Ring & Bit Driver Extender) /S
37- LEATHERMAN Crunch /S
38- LEATHERMAN Freestyle /S
39- LEATHERMAN Juice S2 /S
40- LEATHERMAN Juice XE6 (with Victorinox Mini Screwdriver) /S
41- LEATHERMAN Micra
42- LEATHERMAN OHT /S
43- LEATHERMAN Rebar /S
44- LEATHERMAN Signal /S (with Bit Kit & Bit Driver Extender)
45- LEATHERMAN Skeletool CX (with Bit Kit) /S
46- LEATHERMAN Squirt P4
47- LEATHERMAN Squirt PS4
48- LEATHERMAN Super Tool 300 /S
49- LEATHERMAN Surge (with Bit Kit & Pocket Clip & Lanyard Ring & Bit Driver Extender) /S
50- LEATHERMAN Surge 2013 (with Bit Kit & Pocket Clip & Lanyard Ring & Bit Driver Extender) /S
51- LEATHERMAN Wave (with Bit Kit & Pocket Clip & Lanyard Ring & Bit Driver Extender) /S
52- LEATHERMAN Wingman /S
53- SCHRADE Tough ST1 /S
54- SCHRADE Tough STE5 /S
55- SEBERTECH Sebertool M2
56- SEBERTECH Sebertool M4
57- SOG Paratool S31-N (with Bit Driver + Hex Bit Accessory Kit + Saw) /S
58- SOG Pocket PowerPlier S44-N /S
59- SOG PowerAssist S66 (with Saw) /S
60- SOG PowerDuo PD01-N /S
61- SOG SwitchPlier V2.0
62- SWISS+TECH Micro-Max 19-in-1
63- SWISS+TECH Micro-Plus EX 9-in-1
64- TOPEAK The Alien /S
65- VICTORINOX Cybertool L (1.7775.T) /S
66- VICTORINOX Evolution S557 (2.5223.SC) (anc. Wenger EvoGrip S 557) (with Victorinox Mini Screwdriver) /S
67- VICTORINOX Huntsman SilverTech (1.3713.T7) /S
68- VICTORINOX MiniChamp (0.6385)
69- VICTORINOX Rescue Tool (0.8623.MWN) /S
70- VICTORINOX Signature Lite SilverTech (0.6226.T7) /S
71- VICTORINOX SwissTool PLUS (3.0323.L) (with all accessories) /S
72- VICTORINOX SwissTool Spirit XC PLUS RATCHET (3.0239.N) (with all accessories) /S
73- VICTORINOX Workchamp (0.9064.3) /S
74- WALTHER Multi-Tac /S
75- WENGER RangerGrip 90.822 /S
Acquisition forecast - Call for donations !
Prévision d’acquisition - Appel aux dons !
1- BUCK Bucktool 350
2- CRKT Bivy Hans Florine
3- CRKT Ed Van Hoy & Tom Stokes
4- CRKT Guppie & Flux
5- EMERSON Multitasker EDC-1
6- GERBER Diesel Mossy Oak Camo
7- GERBER Evolution MP650
8- GERBER MP1
9- GRIPsher
10- HAVALON Evolve
11- LEATHERMAN MUT
12- MULTITASKER (AR-15)
13- SCHRADE ST11
14- SCHRADE Tough Chip ST2
15- SCHRADE Tough ST6
16- SOG Powergrab
17- SOG POWERPLAY
18- SOG REACTOR
19- SOG Sync II
20- SPYDERCO SpideRench T01PS www.mindyourfin...
21- TOOL LOGIC SLPLY
22- VICTORINOX Expedition Kit 1.8741.AVT
23- VICTORINOX Huntsman Lite 1.7915.T
24- VICTORINOX Spartan Lite 1.7804.T
25- VICTORINOC SwissChamp 1.6795.T2 ou T7
Liste de lecture/ playlist : • MULTI-TOOLS .
Watching your multi-tool videos is like experiencing the products themselves which is very helpful, big thanks!
Merci beaucoup :)
Красота хочу такую же👍👍👍👍👍 🎀
The opinion of diegel, world expert in multi-tool.
It is high time for Victorinox to recover instead of having fun multiplying models in the childish tool mix.
L'avis de diegel, expert mondial en multioutil.
Il serait grand temps que Victorinox se ressaisisse au lieu de s'amuser à multiplier des modèles dans l'enfantillage du panachage d'outil.
Here is my collection of multi-tools (december 2017) [/S = Brand Sheath]
1- BALADEO Outdoor Cutlery Multi-tool /S
2- BEAR & SON - Bear Jaws 155LS /S
3- BUCK X-Tract 730 /S
4- BUCK BuckTool 360 /S
5- BUCK BuckTool 355 /S
6- BYRD ByrdRench BY15P /S
7- COLEMAN Pro Lock /S
8- CRKT Zylla-Tool Jr. /S
9- GANZO G301-H /S
10- GANZO G302-B /S
11- GERBER Balance /S
12- GERBER Bullrush /S
13- GERBER Center-Drive (with Bit Kit) /S
14- GERBER Crucial /S
15- GERBER Crucial F.A.S.T. (with Hex Bit Kit) /S
16- GERBER Curve
17- GERBER Dime
18- GERBER Flik /S
19- GERBER Fit /S
20- GERBER Grappler /S
21- GERBER MP 400 Compact Sport /S
22- GERBER MP 500 Recoil Auto-Plier /S
23- GERBER MP 600 Blunt Nose (old model with Pocket Tool Kit) /S
24- GERBER MP 600 Pro Scout (07564N with Tool Kit) /S
25- GERBER MP 700 Urban Legend /S
26- GERBER MP 800 Legend /S
27- GERBER Octane /S
28- GERBER Radius /S
29- GERBER Strata /S
30- GERBER Suspension /S
31- GERBER Vise
32- JEEP Multifonction tool with crescent wrench
33- KERSHAW A100C /S
34- LEATHERMAN Blast /S (with Removal Bit Driver)
35- LEATHERMAN Charge XTi (with Bit Kit & Pocket Clip & Lanyard Ring & Bit Driver Extender) /S
36- LEATHERMAN Charge TTi 2013 (with Bit Kit & Pocket Clip & Lanyard Ring & Bit Driver Extender) /S
37- LEATHERMAN Crunch /S
38- LEATHERMAN Freestyle /S
39- LEATHERMAN Juice S2 /S
40- LEATHERMAN Juice XE6 (with Victorinox Mini Screwdriver) /S
41- LEATHERMAN Micra
42- LEATHERMAN OHT /S
43- LEATHERMAN Rebar /S
44- LEATHERMAN Signal /S (with Bit Kit & Bit Driver Extender)
45- LEATHERMAN Skeletool CX (with Bit Kit) /S
46- LEATHERMAN Squirt P4
47- LEATHERMAN Squirt PS4
48- LEATHERMAN Super Tool 300 /S
49- LEATHERMAN Surge (with Bit Kit & Pocket Clip & Lanyard Ring & Bit Driver Extender) /S
50- LEATHERMAN Surge 2013 (with Bit Kit & Pocket Clip & Lanyard Ring & Bit Driver Extender) /S
51- LEATHERMAN Wave (with Bit Kit & Pocket Clip & Lanyard Ring & Bit Driver Extender) /S
52- LEATHERMAN Wingman /S
53- SCHRADE Tough ST1 /S
54- SCHRADE Tough STE5 /S
55- SEBERTECH Sebertool M2
56- SEBERTECH Sebertool M4
57- SOG Paratool S31-N (with Bit Driver + Hex Bit Accessory Kit + Saw) /S
58- SOG Pocket PowerPlier S44-N /S
59- SOG PowerAssist S66 (with Saw) /S
60- SOG PowerDuo PD01-N /S
61- SOG SwitchPlier V2.0
62- SWISS+TECH Micro-Max 19-in-1
63- SWISS+TECH Micro-Plus EX 9-in-1
64- TOPEAK The Alien /S
65- VICTORINOX Cybertool L (1.7775.T) /S
66- VICTORINOX Evolution S557 (2.5223.SC) (anc. Wenger EvoGrip S 557) (with Victorinox Mini Screwdriver) /S
67- VICTORINOX Huntsman SilverTech (1.3713.T7) /S
68- VICTORINOX MiniChamp (0.6385)
69- VICTORINOX Rescue Tool (0.8623.MWN) /S
70- VICTORINOX Signature Lite SilverTech (0.6226.T7) /S
71- VICTORINOX SwissTool PLUS (3.0323.L) (with all accessories) /S
72- VICTORINOX SwissTool Spirit XC PLUS RATCHET (3.0239.N) (with all accessories) /S
73- VICTORINOX Workchamp (0.9064.3) /S
74- WALTHER Multi-Tac /S
75- WENGER RangerGrip 90.822 /S
Acquisition forecast - Call for donations !
Prévision d’acquisition - Appel aux dons !
1- BUCK Bucktool 350
2- CRKT Bivy Hans Florine
3- CRKT Ed Van Hoy & Tom Stokes
4- CRKT Guppie & Flux
5- EMERSON Multitasker EDC-1
6- GERBER Diesel Mossy Oak Camo
7- GERBER Evolution MP650
8- GERBER MP1
9- GRIPsher
10- HAVALON Evolve
11- LEATHERMAN MUT
12- MULTITASKER (AR-15)
13- SCHRADE ST11
14- SCHRADE Tough Chip ST2
15- SCHRADE Tough ST6
16- SOG Powergrab
17- SOG POWERPLAY
18- SOG REACTOR
19- SOG Sync II
20- SPYDERCO SpideRench T01PS www.mindyourfingers.co.uk/P5281.html
21- TOOL LOGIC SLPLY
22- VICTORINOX Expedition Kit 1.8741.AVT
23- VICTORINOX Huntsman Lite 1.7915.T
24- VICTORINOX Spartan Lite 1.7804.T
25- VICTORINOC SwissChamp 1.6795.T2 ou T7
Liste de lecture/ playlist : ua-cam.com/play/PLuUN6ZeaOrcWGhbsDFbMUCVcMUCkrgGAJ.html .
You should separate all your multitools in different categories and select the best of each category.
A lot of people would get the best tool without having to buy a full collection.
Awesome video. But are you in the jungle lol?
Reminds me of Darth Vader from star wars with the heavy breathing. " No Luke , you can not take away my toys , for I am your father ." Ha , Ha......
Can you please tell me the Part Number of the Victorinox Nylon Sheath? Thank you 🙏
4.0833.N
@@diezelle57thank you
Very good video, diezelle57. Obviously your needs are significantly different from mine and therefore so is your concept of what an EDC system should be able to do. I can't imagine carrying that much weight around. Both of these kits have to weigh about 2 pounds. A ratchet? A bit extender that you can't even get out of the case?. Really? I have both a Wave and a Surge. In both cases I carry the tool and a single AAA Maglite. With the Surge I also carry a couple saw blades. That's it. If I'm in a situation where I need a ratchet, a long screwdriver, or a Torx bit, I'm pretty certain that I'll be able to find one within easy walking distance of the tool bag in my car. That said, you have an infinitely better idea of what you need than I do. More power to you.
The idea to understand well is decoupling. For example, on one side I hold a nut with the pliers of the multi-tool, on the other I screw or unscrew the bolt using the ratchet. The ratchet is stored in the case of a single multi-tool, this is less bulky and lighter than carrying two multi-tools. The Swisstool Spirit Plus set weighs 377 grams. Adding a mini-ratchet to a Leatherman set will add only 32 grams. My complete Wave set weighs 426 grams. Obviously, what a proposal, everything depends on the circumstances, we can in many cases be content with a Wave without accessories, or even Skeletool. Thank you for your comment :)
As I tried to make clear, I understand and respect that your needs for a multitool are different from mine. I must say, though, that I'm shocked that you can put all that stuff together with a Wave and the whole kit only weighs 426 grams. That's about what my Surge with a leather case and a Maglite weighs. My Wave kit is similar, but weighs about 310 grams.
You have obviously invested a lot of thought into your kit. I'm very, very impressed.
I confirm, 426 grams:
- Wave⊕,
- 5 compartment sheath,
- bit kit,
- removable ring,
- belt clip,
- extender,
- 1/4" SOG socket adapter,
- 1/4" socket adapter (homemade for Leatherman bit drive),
- standard bit holder,
- mini ratchet.
Thank you for your feedback :)
May I know your opinion, how do you think about cutting hook? Is it useful? Is it important to have in an EDC+survival multitool?
The hook linked to a quick-opening blade can be important for cutting a seat belt ... but this blade is serrated and not pointed on models without hook (Wave), we can do without.
Hi diegel,
Thank you for your great job, I enjoy you reviews a lot! Please, reply to my question: what would you prefer/recommend (I'm really hesitate) : Leatherman Surge + 2 bit sets + bit's extender (with old good nylon sheath capable to hold all the stuff) or
Victorinox SwissTool CS Plus (MFR # 53946, includes some bits and wrench, leather pouch). Once more, I'm hesitate, but tend to Surge direction. I will leave this comment on your latest video too, to be sure you don't miss it.
Time for Scissors : Spirit 5 sec / Wave 15 sec.
Time for Blade......hum you all use another knife !
OPINEL for me ! Cause I like to work without thinking about being careful!
Time for wine .... with a victorinox! Et vive la France 🇫🇷 ! (Et la 🇨🇭)
If I may ask, where are you filming this? I'd love to visit a place that made these sounds outside.
Seriously, please let me know!
MR.Diezelle would you buy the Leatherman Wave, Charge TTI Titanium, or the Victorinox Spirit? Which tool is better in your opinion Victorinox or Wave?
Hello. What a difficult question! :) Let's consider sets with all their accessories and accessories that can be added in their sheaths. I would say ... Leatherman!
@@diezelle57 thank you for answering my question. I enjoy your videos. The amount of details that you point out really shows the differences in quality. I enjoy your videos. Thank you again!
dont ask him, those have never been used, so he wouldnt have a clue
@@AROTTWEILERR Jealous! :)
@@diezelle57 no not really, being the owner of 16 multi tools including the the ones you havnt used im certainly not jealous buddy boy, now stop being cocky and accept the criticism, only talk about what you have experience with otherwize your sounding like a stupid cocky dickhead
TROP BIEN TA VIDÉO DE BONNE IDÉES, il a l aire trop bien ton petit cliquet tu la trouver ou ?
Merci :)
Je ne sais plus, dans un coffret de vissage pas cher de chez LIDL ou d'une grande surface :)
MERCI JE VAIS OUVRIR L ŒIL POUR EN TROUVER UN IL ET NI QUELLE AU NIVEAU DE LA TAILLE
Will the victorinox bits and rachet fit inside the leatherman nylon sheath?
Good question.
Yes, but only in the sheath of the Surge.
Bonjour.
Ayant les deux modèles entre autre. Je trouve que tu n'argumentes pas assez tes points négatifs sur la spirit. Rien que de ne pas ce pincer la paume de la main comme chez la leatherman est déjà un gros point positif par exemple. Merci de détailler tes propos .
Bonjour.
Vous avez raison.
Au revoir.
Salut qu'elle l acier utiliser par victorinox
Page 14 du catalogue 2017 Victorinox : 1.4110 lames X 55 Cr Mo14.
А вам какой мультитул больше понравился?
Leatherman :)
Hello can you tell me about the black flash light you use in the sheath? Thx
These are small, cheap LED lamps to find on eBay or amazon.
Attention, it is necessary to take a diameter of 14/15 mm for a length between 70 and 90 mm.
Example: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073W9R6M2/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_7?smid=A1JN1ZSBH647F&psc=1.
I dream of a Wave with external scissors and a MUT style flat bits holder built into the frame. Or the Victorinox with a real blade and the Wave bit holder.
Zapblam the Surge is basically what you want.
don’t waste your money , buy a Victorinox from the beginning...... no comparison on quality.
@@aceqman no comparison on fit and finish..but no in quality.
Victorinox steel is more soft then leatherman 420hc..
And NO COMPARISON QUALITY BETWEEN LEATHERMAN 154CM OR S30V AND VICTORINOX STEEL!!
Victorinox superior quality is a myth.
I have some models of both brand and quality is the same. Victorinox has better finish thath give a idea of a better quality.
What was that bit at 1:38 used for?? thanx
Nice job, great vid, thanx for the quick response.
I agree victorinox should be keeping up with leatherman
Keeping up? In terms of overall quality and utility, Victorinox is superior.
@@Durwood71 From my personal experience Victorinox Do not stand behind their Warranty. Victorinox gave me the run-around for the Jetsetter.
Leatherman has a more Industrial design and stand by their Warranty.
In a Serious Survival situation, when you're cold,wet, hungry, (in a fight/flight scenario) and limited dexterity in your fingers,i would love to see if you'll be able to get those Tools out from that Spirit or Swisstool. Yes it's on the outside but it is so tightly packed and so reliant on those small nail nicks- it will be to your detriment.
With the leatherman Classics- Wave,Charge,Surge,Supertool 300 or even the Rebar i could get those tools out with ease. One hand opening blades even the Rebar blades are easy to get out with Large Nail Nicks.
You even get better Blade steels 154cm /S30V and 154cm cutters. I prefer to have a tool that i can use when shit hits the fan with tools that are easy to deploy.
Blue Gear ... You're exaggerating. The tools on the Swisstool X are not exactly difficult to open, even in a worst case scenario. I could open it one-handed with no problem if I really had to.
As for the warranty, I've never had the need to use it, but they have an excellent reputation. Your situation is the exception, and I suspect there's more to the story than what you've said.
@@Durwood71 Im not exaggerating. It is fact. Ease of use when your fine motor skills are compromised is something often overlooked by many. I have been in such situations, it is not pleasant.
That doesn't mean i dont use Victorinox, i edc a classic/rambler (with my Leatherman) and i love the compact. Love the alox models. My favorite is the bantam alox.
That being said i would Not go out in the field with any plier based Victorinox for warranty reasons and more importantly deployment of the tools.
Also I like what Tim Leatherman has done and i personally prefer to stick the Original manufacturer when it comes to Plier based multitools.
However i respect your opinion and if it works for you, i'm glad. Everyone has their likes and dislikes.
Blue Gear ... I've never had a problem opening my Swisstool even in less than optimal situations, so it seems to me that you are exaggerating. Besides, I also carry a Benchmade Mini Griptillian and a Leatherman Tread, so I'm ready for the zombie apocalypse.
De l'enfantillage? Eh ben pour moi le multitool qui supporte toutes les comparaisons est justement un Victorinox, déjà rien que pour la qualité de construction, l'ajustement précis et la résistance à la corrosion.
Avec un SwissTool X Plus Ratchet il ne manque déjà aucune fonction. Mais quand on a une clé à cliquet, on a besoin que d'embouts pour la partie "serrage" qui n'est en plus pas pratique à utiliser sur l'outil. Je remplacerais donc le petit tournevis par la lame dentée et j'y apporterais juste deux avantages trouvés chez Leatherman: les coupe-fils remplaçables et le support "tige T" (T-Shank JigSaw) en remplacement du cruciforme.
Cette fois y aurait donc les deux types de lames, les deux scies, deux limes, les ciseaux, levier, burin et support de lames amovibles! Qui dit mieux..? :-)
Vous n'avez pas compris mon propos. Un propos pourtant à la compréhension d'un enfant. Alors je vais vous expliquer : Victorinox multiplie depuis des décennies, par la simple opération de panache des outils, ces modèles de "couteaux suisses". S'agissant de pinces multifonctions, Victorinox n'a jamais produit que deux modèles, le Swisstool et le Swisstool Spirit.
diezelle57 Oups, je ne m'attendais pas à cette réponse.. Moi qui ne comprends même pas des choses à la portée d'un enfant, j'ai honte maintenant :-(
Comme je me sentais tout bête et à la fois honoré de recevoir la réponse d'un expert mondial, maintenant que j'en connais un j'ai voulu saisir ma chance et chercher le fruit de votre savoir. Je me suis lancé sur la grande toile et.. ce que j'ai recouvert en tapant Diezelle57 ben c'est pas ce que je pensais :-((( J'ai vu qu'il n'y avait pas que Victorinox ou moi qui ne sommes pas à la hauteur, mais en fait un peu tout le monde.. Devant tant de connaissances, je me suis senti indigne d'être abonné (my bad, comment j'ai pu être aussi prétentieux en cliquant sur ce bouton rouge? Mais bon, je pensais que ça parlait de choses intéressantes avec simplicité..) Bref, j'ai maintenant rectifié cette erreur et je me sens soulagé. J'avais pourtant mis un smiley, mais j'aurais dû faire comme les deux autres personnes qui ont osé commenter: sans trop argumenter. Par contre j'écris mieux le français..
Pour le petit cliquet, vraiment..? Dans un "coffret de visage"? J'aurais plutôt pensé trouver ça dans un "coffret de vissage". Mais bon, je m'incline face à l'Expert Mondial, qui distribue les bons points mais aussi les perles :-)))
Allez, je vous laisse entre vous.. #arrogantmental
Il est vrai que le désabonnement d'un individu réduit à faire les poubelles de mes fautes de frappe ne soulèvera pas la consternation ! :)
Il peut disposer.
diezelle57 Mouais, heureusement que je ne me suis pas attaqué à pire, j'ai vu qu'il y avait de la matière sur quelques sites que j'ai pu parcourir, mais bon d'autres ont l'air de s'en occuper.. Vous n'avez jamais essayé de chercher votre propre nom sur le net? J'espère que c'est un pseudo (+ pas de visage, pas de voix..) Effectivement c'est mieux.
Il dispose sans regret :-)
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Leatherman est 100% mieux pourquoi parce qu'on peut bloquer tout les outils et les couteaux la pince et juste l'outil par excellence le plus indispensable et on peu sortir et refermé les lames à une main se qui n'est pas possible chez Victorinox
En effet mais le Swisstool Plus (donc avec les embouts et le cliquet) permet de réaliser des opérations supplémentaires.
C'est la raison sur laquelle je montre, dans d'autres vidéos, des ensembles Leatherman dotés d'un mini-cliquet :
ua-cam.com/video/f3HdARnaHDQ/v-deo.html .
aaaaaaah yes another video that shows someone showing tools that have never been used (safe queens) you cant put versus in the title if youve never really used them
Subscribe to my channel but stop jealousy ! :)
Out of all those multitools what would you consider your all time favorite and your top 3 for quality