Okay i gotta say it, Legion units and buildings look amazing. Long ago when the first iterations rolled out I was skeptical but my god did the artists work on those.
Decaying structures slowly return 100% of their metal cost to you as they decay. You don't need to reclaim them. So you can use partially-built structures as a temporary storage. They don't return any energy, though. But if they take damage then that reduces the metal you get back.
"what a stressful match to watch" Oh you don't say? :) Entire Tier-3 armies dying repeatedly to a couple of drones, no anti-air in sight. *sighs* Also, those yellow riot tanks? The seem a tad bit OP, melting down Shivas, and about anything else for that matter, like butter. As always, love your commentary. :)
T3 Riot tanks are defo no more OP as T1 Riot tanks (Pounders) compared to other T1s. I would be instead surprised if the balance failed and Shivas, each half cost of a tank, which are not only measily bots, but are also amphibious, would've beaten a slower, ground-only, LLT-ranged tank with their own well-ranged splash cannons face-to-face. The better counter to T3s is obviously something that's meant to deal damage to single targets, such as Razorbacks and Karganeth, which are too, faster than it. In current vanilla version, Keres suck with that puny explosion from their cannon and such low DPS, compared to unofficial balance branch in the video. The drones though are really, really durable, not even a dedicated AA can bestow them just as easily as it would gunships of the same relative cost, especially the T2 drones from that Geo!
You have to consider the resources used to build the tanks compared to the "bot" Shivas that are quite cheap. I am very new at this game, but have been pleasantly surprised how the game balances out troops. There is usually some counter to everything, but knowing that counter is the difference between OS levels as well as success.
While some may be curious how Cyan's com died in a puddle by dozen beige pawns the same moment as Blue com, or how purple's Fatboy behind the hill scared red's hovers off, I'd just like to point out purple's Spy Bot hiding entire game in the middle of the dam only revealed by 37:23 when con will try to build aconverters on top of it, and of course a forgotten Shiva in the corner at 48:45 having plenty health to missile the con turrets.
Yellow didn't do much of anything early on, but came good at the end with all those tanks. Red and orange threw away some golden opportunities there, this game should've ended much sooner.
@@AmosDohms especially after the buff introduced with b64 so that it isn't such a sucky T3 in every way worse than Shiva besides being able to slowly swat those Wasps away. Being the only 1k+ M land unit in the game unable to outrange an LLT. All those games is us (me and half-informed randoms in the case of this particular epic casted game) testing what's still missing from resulting in game with balanced variety with regard of too niche and too universal units. As you may have guessed hover tanks and especially scout hovers, and slightly t3 hovers, were buffed, which Red knew about and probably why tried out a spam of those. Visibly wanted to attack purple but noticed a Fatboy behind the hill the last moment when it shot and thought there's more than one. Magenta guy would've been long dead if not for slight fiend nerf. As of now it's only 123 entities tweaked so since it's not ready yet barely anyone knows about this separate "variety" balance branch. Many approve of coastal torpedo launcher change to outrange Destroyers at the cost of reduced dps vs anything other than destroyers and other heavyboats.
at 22:00 I think it would have been pretty much game over if red just attacked with those hovercraft. Even the LLTs he's facing have no power to fire with. Not sure why he moved them, the long way, to the total opposite end of the map, then parked them there for 5 minutes, just to run them straight in to T2 tanks.
@@Valchrist1313 The three most important things to remember in an RTS: Scouting, scouting, and scouting. If you know what your opponent is doing, you can prepare for it and win. If you don't know what your opponent is doing, you can be scared off from a game winning play by an artillery feint.
A lot of could’ve would’ve should’ve going on here but it’s a lower skill rating so one can expect a lot of mistakes to be made. Still a fun one to watch on a cool map. Great casting BrightWorks as always!
The legion Drone Geothermal is straight up better then the prude if you allso want to make an anti nuke at the same time. Making the Prude and an anti nuke costs double the energy in comparisson
@@felixtpholm9377 on isthmus Geo position its propably a no brainer for me as long as my navy player isnt obviously winning. The advanced geo is still better if you get away with it but compared to the prude it just looks so much better.
@@Honkwaddle i just think its going to be a nobrainer on isthmus Geo position if youre not sure that your sea will win. i bet the drones can keep ships away from the shore aswell.
22:00 I think it would have been pretty much game over if red just attacked with those hovercraft. Even the LLTs he's facing have no power to fire with. Not sure why he moved them, the long way, to the total opposite end of the map, then parked them there for 5 minutes, just to run them straight in to T2 tanks.
Upside down triangle is the symbol for gunships, which is why the advanced geothermal has it. As for legion, I really like some of the units like the shotgun thing and the heat ray T2 bomber. But I really dislike the ones that are just 'cortex units but good'. The medusa is just a banisher if banisher was accurate and actually had good burst damage. The Barely mobile bot is just a mammoth with more vision and damage for barely any extra cost. Even the new Geothermal is like a cerb but better because it also jams and anti-nukes itself, and produces more E.
Banisher's main advertised strength is it's almost instantenous damage delivery as that of sharpshooter, but also capable of AA and reasonably mobile. The jammer antinuke geo is the same comparison as t2 antinuke radar sonar energy generator ship that moves and that almost has the same efficiency (generated energy per cost) as a fusion reactor, even without any AN and radar and sonar buildings beside it. Incinerator pays for it by being dangerous to own team and having far less hp.
I was rooting for the Blue Team... Read team could have won the game so early after breaking through the bridge and later red could have won it time and time over through the water. The Idleness of it was killing me
yup, i saw those early hovers and called gg right there. but he pulled them back, i see that alot in lower lvl lobbys, they have the units to win but never push the button.
@@devilsr4321 It's so easy for me to talk... tho the reality is if I were to be watched... people would be cursing my name as an idiot because I suck. I watch a lot of games and know how to play but to put in practice... it's not the same. As in everything in life practice makes perfect but as a married self employed 41 year old... I don't have the luxury of playing more than one a week.
Definitely a bug with the drone vehicle. Have tried fight command versus not and its hit or miss also. The drone structures seem to work fine though. Hoping they get this fixed soon. Could see them maybe being good against t1 spam if positioned correctly.
I don't think you were toxic, just understandably upset with purple, who didn't do much of anything all game. Considering you thought the game was over pretty early on, I think you did pretty well. Certainly messed up less then orange and red.
I wish legion had a t2 plasma bot. I love legion and there bots are good, but i feel there all support units and lack the main mid range damage unit like a hound or Sheldon. Phanlax are to slow, and range is to short to be your main backbone. All their units have a use but where is the mass plasma bot unit at? The units not finished are the amphibious and rocket bot. Maby one of them are a 3rd bot.... Am i wrong?
You're correct, Sheldon in this particular match was given a small passive explosion radius (~250dmg each) to make mindless spam of the same highly universal unit type in one crammy space more risky. The stuff like Hounds and Tigers and Bulls weren't touched at all yet, instead less useful entities are buffed first in this variety-targeted unofficial balance pack. But I can foresee slowing down the "heavy plasma"' mode's projectile, to induce bigger window for players to use Hound's second weapon mode, as for example.
blue had everything going for them this match made me soooo emotional i kept rooting for blue but they werent agressive enough, green not making air was such a miss if he made t2 air they could have devastated the enemy red team
Okay i gotta say it, Legion units and buildings look amazing. Long ago when the first iterations rolled out I was skeptical but my god did the artists work on those.
Decaying structures slowly return 100% of their metal cost to you as they decay. You don't need to reclaim them. So you can use partially-built structures as a temporary storage. They don't return any energy, though. But if they take damage then that reduces the metal you get back.
Only found about that recently too. Thought you lost all of it if you didn't reclaim it
ohh shit so it does work like in total annihilation? damn
@@devilsr4321 Oh so that's how it worked in TA too? Makes sense why they'd keep it the same
The symphony of errors was amazing my fun and unpredictable!!!
The red team cockroaching after throwing twice
"what a stressful match to watch"
Oh you don't say? :) Entire Tier-3 armies dying repeatedly to a couple of drones, no anti-air in sight. *sighs*
Also, those yellow riot tanks? The seem a tad bit OP, melting down Shivas, and about anything else for that matter, like butter.
As always, love your commentary. :)
T3 Riot tanks are defo no more OP as T1 Riot tanks (Pounders) compared to other T1s. I would be instead surprised if the balance failed and Shivas, each half cost of a tank, which are not only measily bots, but are also amphibious, would've beaten a slower, ground-only, LLT-ranged tank with their own well-ranged splash cannons face-to-face. The better counter to T3s is obviously something that's meant to deal damage to single targets, such as Razorbacks and Karganeth, which are too, faster than it. In current vanilla version, Keres suck with that puny explosion from their cannon and such low DPS, compared to unofficial balance branch in the video.
The drones though are really, really durable, not even a dedicated AA can bestow them just as easily as it would gunships of the same relative cost, especially the T2 drones from that Geo!
They look good but yeah not OP. They are 3K metal so a full T3 unit. And only short rage for a T3, less than even a razorback
You have to consider the resources used to build the tanks compared to the "bot" Shivas that are quite cheap. I am very new at this game, but have been pleasantly surprised how the game balances out troops. There is usually some counter to everything, but knowing that counter is the difference between OS levels as well as success.
While some may be curious how Cyan's com died in a puddle by dozen beige pawns the same moment as Blue com, or how purple's Fatboy behind the hill scared red's hovers off, I'd just like to point out purple's Spy Bot hiding entire game in the middle of the dam only revealed by 37:23 when con will try to build aconverters on top of it, and of course a forgotten Shiva in the corner at 48:45 having plenty health to missile the con turrets.
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The amber color and hexagonal towers make the legion geos look like wasp hives. Very cool 👍👍
Yellow didn't do much of anything early on, but came good at the end with all those tanks. Red and orange threw away some golden opportunities there, this game should've ended much sooner.
Thanks for noticing, that's why Legion and it's T1.5 Mexes are the very thing that allowed a decent life off of those measily 3 mex and no rezbots.
@@avmlaa6639 The Keres can certainly do the work!
@@AmosDohms especially after the buff introduced with b64 so that it isn't such a sucky T3 in every way worse than Shiva besides being able to slowly swat those Wasps away. Being the only 1k+ M land unit in the game unable to outrange an LLT. All those games is us (me and half-informed randoms in the case of this particular epic casted game) testing what's still missing from resulting in game with balanced variety with regard of too niche and too universal units. As you may have guessed hover tanks and especially scout hovers, and slightly t3 hovers, were buffed, which Red knew about and probably why tried out a spam of those. Visibly wanted to attack purple but noticed a Fatboy behind the hill the last moment when it shot and thought there's more than one. Magenta guy would've been long dead if not for slight fiend nerf. As of now it's only 123 entities tweaked so since it's not ready yet barely anyone knows about this separate "variety" balance branch. Many approve of coastal torpedo launcher change to outrange Destroyers at the cost of reduced dps vs anything other than destroyers and other heavyboats.
at 22:00 I think it would have been pretty much game over if red just attacked with those hovercraft. Even the LLTs he's facing have no power to fire with.
Not sure why he moved them, the long way, to the total opposite end of the map, then parked them there for 5 minutes, just to run them straight in to T2 tanks.
@@Valchrist1313 The three most important things to remember in an RTS: Scouting, scouting, and scouting. If you know what your opponent is doing, you can prepare for it and win. If you don't know what your opponent is doing, you can be scared off from a game winning play by an artillery feint.
A lot of could’ve would’ve should’ve going on here but it’s a lower skill rating so one can expect a lot of mistakes to be made. Still a fun one to watch on a cool map. Great casting BrightWorks as always!
3:20
> I can't go across water with ticks?
"... So yeah this is a lower level match..."
“Look at the pair of those powerhouses on that factory.” 😅
You deserve the 10k subs and more. Excelent comentary!
The legion Drone Geothermal is straight up better then the prude if you allso want to make an anti nuke at the same time.
Making the Prude and an anti nuke costs double the energy in comparisson
It is quite niche though, and the AN area is about half the radius of a normal AN.
@@felixtpholm9377 on isthmus Geo position its propably a no brainer for me as long as my navy player isnt obviously winning. The advanced geo is still better if you get away with it but compared to the prude it just looks so much better.
It costs 50 less metal than a prude+antinuke, but produces less 150 less E per sec. The drones did look strong for flanking damage purposes though 👀
@@Honkwaddle i just think its going to be a nobrainer on isthmus Geo position if youre not sure that your sea will win.
i bet the drones can keep ships away from the shore aswell.
We should play folsom dam more often , such a good map
holy hell, Bright, almost 10k subs!!! lets gooooo
Shit or get off the pot, Mr Hussar!
Glad to see some Legion heavily involved in a game.
22:00 I think it would have been pretty much game over if red just attacked with those hovercraft. Even the LLTs he's facing have no power to fire with.
Not sure why he moved them, the long way, to the total opposite end of the map, then parked them there for 5 minutes, just to run them straight in to T2 tanks.
This match just felt like red team wasn't really trying to win and just wanted the battles
That was really stressful. One more Air run against yellow, and it would have been done.
how do u get the team stats for red and blue up in the upper left corner during a replay? or spectate like that
It's a widget for spectator mode.
why werent the silly ramparts destroyrd earlier???
Upside down triangle is the symbol for gunships, which is why the advanced geothermal has it.
As for legion, I really like some of the units like the shotgun thing and the heat ray T2 bomber. But I really dislike the ones that are just 'cortex units but good'. The medusa is just a banisher if banisher was accurate and actually had good burst damage. The Barely mobile bot is just a mammoth with more vision and damage for barely any extra cost. Even the new Geothermal is like a cerb but better because it also jams and anti-nukes itself, and produces more E.
Banisher's main advertised strength is it's almost instantenous damage delivery as that of sharpshooter, but also capable of AA and reasonably mobile. The jammer antinuke geo is the same comparison as t2 antinuke radar sonar energy generator ship that moves and that almost has the same efficiency (generated energy per cost) as a fusion reactor, even without any AN and radar and sonar buildings beside it.
Incinerator pays for it by being dangerous to own team and having far less hp.
More Brightworks :D
I was rooting for the Blue Team... Read team could have won the game so early after breaking through the bridge and later red could have won it time and time over through the water.
The Idleness of it was killing me
yup, i saw those early hovers and called gg right there. but he pulled them back, i see that alot in lower lvl lobbys, they have the units to win but never push the button.
@@devilsr4321 It's so easy for me to talk... tho the reality is if I were to be watched... people would be cursing my name as an idiot because I suck. I watch a lot of games and know how to play but to put in practice... it's not the same. As in everything in life practice makes perfect but as a married self employed 41 year old... I don't have the luxury of playing more than one a week.
Definitely a bug with the drone vehicle. Have tried fight command versus not and its hit or miss also. The drone structures seem to work fine though. Hoping they get this fixed soon. Could see them maybe being good against t1 spam if positioned correctly.
Make a tier 2 lab and make them pay for it was wild and great line bro
-win lane win game-
win *reclaim* win game!
Why did red turn the hovers around?? just at the brink of winning north
Because of second Fatboy hiding behind the hill firing a shot from out of red's units' sight, which he noticed and assumed there's more than one.
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The look of it is coretex units OP.
feelsbadman that the one game im toxic in is a replay xD shiiiiieeeeee
Then don't do it.
@@rre9121 im sure youve never been frustrated :)
I don't think you were toxic, just understandably upset with purple, who didn't do much of anything all game.
Considering you thought the game was over pretty early on, I think you did pretty well. Certainly messed up less then orange and red.
yeah props for sticking with it and micro-ing some units around
I wish legion had a t2 plasma bot. I love legion and there bots are good, but i feel there all support units and lack the main mid range damage unit like a hound or Sheldon. Phanlax are to slow, and range is to short to be your main backbone. All their units have a use but where is the mass plasma bot unit at? The units not finished are the amphibious and rocket bot. Maby one of them are a 3rd bot....
Am i wrong?
You're correct, Sheldon in this particular match was given a small passive explosion radius (~250dmg each) to make mindless spam of the same highly universal unit type in one crammy space more risky. The stuff like Hounds and Tigers and Bulls weren't touched at all yet, instead less useful entities are buffed first in this variety-targeted unofficial balance pack. But I can foresee slowing down the "heavy plasma"' mode's projectile, to induce bigger window for players to use Hound's second weapon mode, as for example.
What shit Op some units are.
maginot*
blue had everything going for them this match made me soooo emotional i kept rooting for blue but they werent agressive enough, green not making air was such a miss if he made t2 air they could have devastated the enemy red team
Those powerhouses remind me of the googly-eyed paralysis spewing monsters from the Soulsborne games, and I hate it.
shame the mukadas didnt show
mggw is a D1 yapper holy cow
fun fact, in total annihilation if you let something decay you got the materials back, i didnt know you lost them untill this replay lol
You don’t. It works like TA in BAR
wow 2 of red players quit and blue just sat their as if they lost their general and didn't rebuild perhaps i'm being too critical
LeL
that legion geothermal need to have its range nerfed it crazy range either that or make it weaker
Blue consistently had more income.