This is my first encounter with the word bafflegab. I looked it up and the next time my local mayor speaks....I'll use it to describe his sort of speech.
Hello everyone: I was an investigator at CENIPA, the Brazilian correspondent of the American NTSB here in Brazil, and I have been a big fan of Greg Feith for many years. What particularly impresses me about Mr. Feith is his ability to comment on the complex topic of investigations in a clear way for the lay public but without losing the necessary ethics and technicality. CENIPA learned a lot by observing the way the NTSB usually deals with the release of information to the public during investigations of major accidents and I believe that in this case we will have a better dissemination of factual data throughout this important investigation. Brazil is the third largest manufacturer of commercial aircraft in the world and we have a strong technical capacity for research in this area. Congratulations on Mr. Feith's announcement. Edson Tritiack - Sao Paulo (Brazil)
Can you confirm on the CVR pilots did not refer to icing, but First officer kept demanding more power? How is that consistent with the popular speculation of icing? In cell phone audio it sounds as if they were in Hotel mode, Has CENIPA investigated the Hydraulic Auxilliary pump setting yet?
@@jameshisself7375 DEI is a tangent. The original study that created DEI was manufactured by a research company that was desperately wanted investment money.
As an active airline professional who is part of an accident response team, it is so refreshing to hear an “ aviation expert” that actually know what they’re talking about. That was one of the most solid analysis that I’ve seen.
This man would make a great president or world leader. Politicians should watch and copy this man. Pastors and CEOs take a master class on leadership from this Master Class on communication and leadership and problem solving from this man!
I did see a lot of these documentaries years ago. One of those documentaries was called Air Crash Investigation AKA Mayday and he did explain how some of these accidents were cause. If you haven't seen this program, I recommend you do but be advise you have 24 seasons to go through.
Greg Feith is an NTSB legend and has been a part of many famous air investigations. I trust literally anything this man says on aircraft crashes and despite watching him review terrifying crashes, he’s made me feel safer knowing people like him are working on safety
Yes - thank you for posting. It's that classic dilemma where a big plane has to slow down to land but stall speed goes down too - and the larger the plane,the longer time it takes to recover from a stall...and a spin takes longer apparently - now I understand. Sorry to hear of this....
@@annsheridan12 Hello. You must use all tools. You don't have ailerons, rudder or elevator but You engines below your wings. If someone use assymeytrical power (one engine full power and the other reverse if needed) and nothing happen then i agree is unrecoverable
Greg Feith, the Godfather of modern aircraft crash investigations. His insight is always welcome. I bet the cockpit voice recorder will reveal cockpit chaos if undamaged and working
having watched air crash investigation videos growing up, it's great seeing a familiar face explaining the situation. He is absolutely the right person to talk about the incident.
That's what proper 'experts' do. Its part of the job. Trouble is today we have got so used to 'experts' who really aren't experts st all particularly on the internet. They were always like this in the past but Aircraft Safety is not political unlike many other 'disasters, or shouldn't be anyway, so we have 'experts' who know what they are talking about. Only thing contradicting this when a high profile international passenger aircraft type crashes and it turns political simply because so many millions of passengers use them and sales may be affected. But I don't believe even they could influence proper accountable experts.
Both black boxes were recovered yesterday and are in good condition despite external damage, they have not been burned. greetings from Brazil, São Paulo
I flew on that particular plane in July, so sad to see this happen but I hope this crash allows air travel to be safer than ever especially considering that the ATR is widely used in Brazilian regional flights 🙏
Mr. Feith has always had my utter respect ever since I was a kid and things haven’t changed. This man is a legend and his amount of knowledge is mind boggling. It’s always a treat to hear him speak.
Familiar with Mr. Feith's career since I was a kid. He does an excellent analysis of breaking the problem down into parts without losing sight of the big picture. RIP to the crew and passengers of VoePass Flight 2283.
It's such a nightmare to have so many videos of it as well. I can't imagine watching my family members die from so many angles. Coroner's report says the cause of death of everyone inside was polytraumatism from the impact (at 440 km/h, if I recall correctly).
@@pandksfarm3761, I think Greg was on the documentary series named Blackbox🤔way back in the day.I remember thinking how Kool this guy was with how he explained everything.
@charlespoe1306 there is another UA-camr pilot that analyzes crashes with a giant ego and always finds a way to insert video of himself playing music. To each their own, I guess.
@@johngreydanus2033 Yeah it's the same show. it has different names depending on what channel and region it's playing. "Mayday, known as Air Crash Investigation(s) outside of the United States and Canada and also known as Mayday: Air Disaster (The Weather Channel) or Air Disasters (Smithsonian Channel) in the United States"
He does a podcast with other former investigators. Cohost with the legendary John Goglia and former Boeing safety analyst, Todd Curtis. You might have seen them on many episodes of aircrash investigations. It’s called the Flight Safety detectives and it’s also available on UA-cam. Greg is absent a lot recently because of other commitments but you should check out the series of videos of them discussing accidents they investigated while working at Ntsb, and the series they did on the Max 8 crashes will give you a perspective that’s not very popular but is an eye opening dissection of the official reports of those accidents.
Greg's first NTSB investigation where he was in charge was the crash of ValuJet 592 in May, 1996. He's been doing this all his life, and yes he's a great communicator.
Greg Feith single-handedly made aviation safer over his 20 year career. His input on this crash should be heeded and held to a very high standard. That’s how good this guy is. Also, shoutout all my Mayday/Air Crash Investigation/Seconds from Disaster fans! Go Greg go!
Why? CVR tape already disproves icing. CO-pilot was distressed demanding more power Aircraft had known hydraulic problems. Low hydraulic pressure activated Hotel mode in flight -problem solved.
Thank you for reminding me of his last name. I thought that was him. He has investigated tons of big time aviation accidents. I remember seeing him in Air Disaster episodes.
i saw the thumbnail and before i clicked I yelled out thats feith from the investigation series on discovery! good stuff he has a lot of closet fans lol
Greg Feith is the rigth man for this mission no doubts about that" Being a Senior Expert, in this approach he is indeed offering his services to the Brazilian Authorities. And, he is completly imparcial, being a foreign, outsider element. If the Brazilian Authorities want to know really what happened, call Greg Feith for the job.
Greg Feith is a tough no nonsense investigator. His clarity on the subject is miles above the rest. Got to meet at Oshkosh Airventure several years ago. He’s a down to earth, likable guy. Respect!
The most recognized face for those that watch the air disasters documentary shows. Greg is a legend. Such a devastating and traumatic accident in Brazil. God comfort their families
On that plane there was a 5-year-old girl who was traveling with her father to spend Father's Day together (last Sunday was Father's Day here in Brazil), when the firefighters went to collect the bodies, the two were hugging each other. There was also a Venezuelan child who was with a puppy, all of them were found charred (including the dog itself), all the passengers were found charred. This accident was very tragic and much heavier than you guys imagine and the families are devastated, there were many people whose dreams were interrupted and they lost their lives. At this moment there is not much to ask questions or question because unfortunately we do not have all the answers, just pray for the families, friends and loved ones of the victims, Please pray for the families! 🙏 I wish everyone reading this a great day/night and good health always!
This info shook me. I am on the outer edge of the aviation community. I've never witnessed a crash or been at a crash scene. God willing, I never will.
This is horrific, the only blessing is they would have died before hitting the ground , its very unlikely they were conscious and posses conscious awareness for longer than a few seconds as oxygen deprivation takes your life within seconds of it occurring ... the people and they way they were found, was as a result of the fire, they were deceased at the time ...
Love this guy on Mayday. Not only was he great at his job as an investigator, but he also knows how to explain it to people like me who have very little knowledge of aviation or physics.
"The simple principle of accident investigations is you gotta ask why questions until you run out of why questions." Exactly. That is why Greg is one of the greatest to ever investigate air crashes. All the best investigators work this way.
Greg Feith is a legend on Air Crash Investigation/Mayday, a real-life pilot who has appeared in a TV movie about a crash, and a former NTSB investigator. And he has a channel here with Todd Curtis discussing air safety.
This was 100km from my house. A shock for us. Brazilian aviation is cinsidered very secure, we did not have accidents since 2007 in commercial aviation...
@@Afuru1Do you live in Brazil? Anywhere within a radius of 1,000 km of the crash site is either Brazil or Paraguay. If you want to be out of Brazil for good you need a radius of 3,500 km.
Brasileiro é chato fica escrevendo comentários em inglês em canais estrangeiros pra chamar atenção de estrangeiros que estão pouco ae importando com acidentes no Brasil
UPDATE 15 AUG 10:54 GMT: "The transcript of the conversations between the pilot and co-pilot was prepared by the Flight Recorder Data Reading and Analysis Laboratory of Cenipa. The transcript is approximately two hours long. Investigators say that the preliminary analysis of the material indicates that the ATR 72-500 lost altitude suddenly and that, based on the analysis of the cockpit audio alone, it is not possible to identify an apparent cause for the crash. Upon realizing that the plane was losing lift, co-pilot Humberto de Campos Alencar e Silva asked the pilot what was happening. He said that it was necessary to increase power in an attempt to stabilize the aircraft and prevent it from falling. The recording, which ends with screams, confirms that only one minute passed between the loss of altitude and the plane hitting the ground. Analysts say that they did not identify any characteristic warning sounds, such as those indicating fire, electrical failure or engine failure." (CBN/Globo)
I wonder if this plane can be manipulated (remotely?) to experience a sudden drop in altitude like that. Or was there a weird weather anomaly? Clearly both engines were operable. That plane had a very interesting passenger list. Perhaps that offers a clue.
The clarity of the train of thoughts is amazing with this man. Oratory impecable, ppl commenting should learn with this one. 👏 Respect to this very wise sir.
I've seen Greg on "Mayday" and other programs dealing with air crashes. His ability to explain things in clear terms is valuable to learning from mistakes.
REALLY well done. Tons of great information. No dragging it out. No bull$*^t. No fake AI voices. No dramatic pauses in a word- no "ayy's" and "thee's". No cuts every 5 words. In other words, professional, intelligent, and classy- unlike a lot of UA-cam these days.
Brazilian authorities have 30 days to release preliminary report of the accident (mandatory). But a very well known expert in Brazil gathered some tehcnical facts/info and he said they'll might have 99% of the cause enlightened already in this preliminary report. They do not release anything bf, because there's a need to be cautious to deminish all the other possible explanations to the accident
Love this guy. Watched him for years . He’s so knowledgeable, professional and level headed No BS about him He’s the type we need to keep on aviation’s safety at any cost !
Greg Feith that man REALLY knows what he is talking about. I remember seeing him play a first officer in a TV film called 'Crash, the mystery of flight 1501'. R.I.P to all the passengers and crew onboard that aircraft 🙏😔
Greg Feith demonstrates he is true expert by explaining complex stuff in such a simple manner that we, the non-experts, understand exactly what he is talking about. Very refreshing to hear from him.
Fyi: the flight recorders are 100% maintained and they extract everything. Also, CENIPA agents are fantastic investigators. I have full trust and respect for their work. The preliminary reports comes out in one month.
I was lucky enough to have Greg as one of my instructors at Metro State College of Denver. It was a NTSB class, and he was probably fairly new with the board. This was probably around 1983.
This is the straightest, clearest explanation of what was witnessed & debated the past few days. Esp stalls not soley being caused by engine issues & failures, by definition. Sadly, you can hear the propellers operating right up until the crash. And I'd like to believe the pilots were doing everything they could to come out of this catastrophic situation.
@phanoonki Read an article today about this particular plane's mechanical issues - it was grounded many times for repairs & re-repairs the past year. The day before the crash passengers complained about AC problems & "unbearable heat." Odd, because temps at 20K+ feet should be fairly cool. A little stifling, maybe, but hot?
Although older, I recognised him straight away, and all that confidence and knowledge still so apparent..such a pleasure to listen to such a talented communicator!
Greg is the most knowledgeable aviation accident investigator I know of! He's an expert in his field and a gentleman. Rip to the victims tragic accident ❤️
that airplane model must be retired. There has been more than 60 accidents since its introduction in 1989. More than 470 people have perished in those airplanes.
It's an inadequate design for coping with icing: the flying-surfaces can't shed ice as it builds up, destroying lift and reducing the efficiency of the controls. All the redundancy has been designed-out of these so-smart modern-day airliners: many of them don't even "look right".
It's Greg Feith! Yes, he was on many Air Crash Investigation show episodes offering insight. It was hard to watch how that plane just fell out of the sky. RIP to all on board and condolences to their families.
1:32 Thanks to brilliant NTSB investigators like Mr Firth, flying (especially in the good old USA) is so unbelievably safe. NTSB, though a government agency, is almost unforgivably underrated. Praise them for their FABULOUS record of finding the causes for the accident, and working tirelessly to ensure ANOTHER accident does not occur.
In Brazil we have CENIPA who also does an amazing job keeping us safe in the skies. Because of them Brazil was 17 years without any major incidents (Since TAM 3054).
He has a podcast, Flight Safety Detectives, and he often points out that the NTSB is understaffed and underfunded and we need to insist that our government do better.
The NTSB is one of the few federal agencies that I have a positive opinion of. Sometimes they want to blame the dead pilots for it when it's not always true. The "why" questions Mr Feith refers to often answers many questions.
Mr. Greg Feith is a brilliant communicator and knows not only aviation but also aerospace technology very well! After his work with Value Jet, Flight 592, 1996, I followed his work within the NTSB. For this tragic flight, I was very sad to see how this plane crashed and that those poor passengers were probably terrified for quite some time. The pilot was young and enthusiastic and really seemed to absent of recklessness. Tragic in every way.
This guy is the authority in air crash investigations. I always enjoy watching his contributions to the shows on air disasters. He’s very well informed and concise.
Thanks Mr.Feith for information given, my son and I always love looking at your documentaries on airplanes investigations ✈️many love ♥️from Trinidad🇹🇹 in the Caribbean great to see and hear from you again 👌condolences to the families and friends of those precious souls that has been lost RIP 🙏🙏
@@THADEUS-md6wv I’m not sure, but if the pitot tubes were frozen (even if the wings werent), there may have been an unreliable airspeed issue in the cockpit, similar to air france 447
Great commentary. I fly an ATR for a job and had a previous career as an engineer maintaining them. Pleasing to see someone stating facts and laying the situation out clearly. No conjecture or guessing. 'The facts will speak for themselves'. Those of us at the pointy end of this aircraft are watching any outcomes with interest. We have our suspicions, but they will be kept silent until a formal investigation is complete.
Hi, Greg. I’ve flown the ATR 72 for almost 5 years. In my opinion, in about 2016, the ATR REMOVED the 3 most important steps to deal with SEVERE ICING from the Memory Items 1) Hold Control Wheel firmly and turn the AP OFF; 2) Descend!!! and 3) Notify the ATC (later).
I assume that is still a described procedure though, just not listed as a “memory” item, yes? I have 7,000 hours in ATR’s and those procedures were a result of the Roselawn accident at my then airline. Even the 737 I fly now requires disconnection of the autopilot in severe icing conditions in addition to prohibiting holding in icing conditions with flaps extended. .
@@olasek7972 Certainly possible. But, when an ATR departs controlled flight in stable cruise while supposedly operating in potentially severe icing conditions, it’s understandable the first thought is an icing-related issue initiated the accident sequence.
News from the preliminary report indicate that 1) the pilots noticed "a lot of ice" forming on the wings 2) alerts were issue by the plane, including "degraded performance 3) apparently the pilots did not think that this was critical, as they never declared emergency 4) with all that piling up, the plane immediately stalled when performing a right turn to enter the airport zone
It's REALLY unfortunate the video description does not mention Mr. Feith's podcast, *Flight Safety Detectives.* Him and John Goglia (or 'The Cogfather' as I call him 😊) provide so much great information and education. FYI: John Goglia is the *first and only* Airframe and Powerplant mechanic to receive a *presidential appointment* to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). Speaks volumes of his knowledge and skills.
Having pilots trained to respond to these scenarios should not be the answer to these accidents. Cancelling a flight due to weather in order to save lives should be the answer.
@@alemswazzu No, clearly pilots need to be trained to react to these scenarios. However, a company should not proceed with conducting flights through bad weather with certain aircraft frames susceptible to icing more than other platforms merely because the pilots are trained to react to a flat spin. The company is making the broad assumption that because the pilot is trained, the icing and the bad weather are completely countered.
This is a very impressive delivery of a concise overview of the issues involved in determining what happened with this aircraft. Very articulate and talented delivery. Thank you!
I've been an instructor at the NTSB Academy in the past. This video says a lot without saying much. Basically this video describes the process of investigating the crash but at present there isn't enough information that has been made public yet.
Yeah, I'm not a very eloquent speaker, but he seems like one of the best. Some people in high ranking positions in the world (wink, wink) just spew non-stop verbal diarrhea!
Listening to him you might think no door ever fell off any Air Alaska plane, no faulty systems were ever installed on any planes manufactured in the United States, no wheel ever dropped from an American aircraft, and the list can go on and on: in short, we live in a perfect world (of aviation).
@@lordjim3109 How so? I watched Mayday on TV for years, and all the NTSB Investigators went into great detail about potential and ultimate causes of each crash.
I've always appreciated Greg Feith's clear-cut analysis of this subject matter. His contributions to the NTSB, over the years, were superb from what I can tell. Personally, I've always thought that the wing design of this ATR is insufficient. I would NEVER fly on this aircraft given its crash history.
Excellent analysis, other pilots flying in the same area a litlle before the crash, have already reported "Severe Icing" there, alerting other pilots about it.
Great to hear Greg's views on this accident. He is a leading authority from the NTSB. I remember he led the investigation into the Valuejet crash in the Everglades. Years ago I trained as a pilot and part of that training involved incipient spin and spin recoveries, but we never trained for flat spinning. As Greg mentioned we all want answers as to why this aircraft crashed, but it is important to let the authorities do a methodical investigation which could take time.
@@grabasandwich Yes, That's exactly what its called. Two other retired veteran investigators are on the podcast also. They were featured on AIR DISASTERS same as Greg was on.
I remember C-130 flights coming in and the guys being very very thirsty after 10 hours unpressurized flight. Correction: C-130 are pressurized, not sure how I messed that up.
Well said. I get so tired of the "internet speculation" and the UA-cam experts who have zero facts, talking as if they have investigative authority on the subject. They know nothing more than the rest of us but they sure have all the answers. This was a very thoughtful presentation of possibilities and things investigators will be focusing on.
Clear and precise. Thank you. It would have been nice if you had used a small model representation to help us better understand from a visual perspective.
What a great communicator. Clear and concise with no wasted words or bafflegab.
His communication methods always put him a head above the rest. Plus he was hot back then.
He continues to be the BEST! Objective, factual and so articulate!
@@paulazemeckis7835He's still a good looking man!
Bafflegab, I learnt a new word. Thank you & I concur with your statement.
This is my first encounter with the word bafflegab. I looked it up and the next time my local mayor speaks....I'll use it to describe his sort of speech.
Hello everyone:
I was an investigator at CENIPA, the Brazilian correspondent of the American NTSB here in Brazil, and I have been a big fan of Greg Feith for many years. What particularly impresses me about Mr. Feith is his ability to comment on the complex topic of investigations in a clear way for the lay public but without losing the necessary ethics and technicality. CENIPA learned a lot by observing the way the NTSB usually deals with the release of information to the public during investigations of major accidents and I believe that in this case we will have a better dissemination of factual data throughout this important investigation. Brazil is the third largest manufacturer of commercial aircraft in the world and we have a strong technical capacity for research in this area.
Congratulations on Mr. Feith's announcement.
Edson Tritiack - Sao Paulo (Brazil)
There are 8 information excluded from the boxes. Brasil ilil
His face seemed familiar. Yes, Greg Feith has often been on the TV series Air Crash Investigations.
As a Brazilian and a frequent flyer I´m proud to have an excellent fly´s accident investigator department like CENIPA, down here.
@@MarceloSdeA Proud of less accidents you mean...
Can you confirm on the CVR pilots did not refer to icing, but First officer kept demanding more power? How is that consistent with the popular speculation of icing? In cell phone audio it sounds as if they were in Hotel mode, Has CENIPA investigated the Hydraulic Auxilliary pump setting yet?
It's so pleasant to hear from an "expert" who actually IS an expert.
he's pro DEI!
@@JohnnyDanger36963It's good for his business... Ok that was dark.
@@JohnnyDanger36963 you are on a tangent
@@jameshisself7375 DEI is a tangent. The original study that created DEI was manufactured by a research company that was desperately wanted investment money.
@@jameshisself7375 ex stewardess acting as copilot crash lands a commercial jet. look it up.
As an active airline professional who is part of an accident response team, it is so refreshing to hear an “ aviation expert” that actually know what they’re talking about. That was one of the most solid analysis that I’ve seen.
This man would make a great president or world leader. Politicians should watch and copy this man. Pastors and CEOs take a master class on leadership from this Master Class on communication and leadership and problem solving from this man!
Who is a scratched record on the topic of ATR72 who ignores contemporary data about this aircraft's known hydraulic failures.
I've always loved this guy in all the Airline disaster documentaries. So clear and to the point, and knowledgable.
I did see a lot of these documentaries years ago. One of those documentaries was called Air Crash Investigation AKA Mayday and he did explain how some of these accidents were cause. If you haven't seen this program, I recommend you do but be advise you have 24 seasons to go through.
@@davidhabertYep and they’re all on UA-cam for those that don’t know!
yes! Me too! And btw, not that it's smth on topic, but he was always very handsome, even now, when he is older :) Greetings from Poland!
Greg Feith is an NTSB legend and has been a part of many famous air investigations. I trust literally anything this man says on aircraft crashes and despite watching him review terrifying crashes, he’s made me feel safer knowing people like him are working on safety
I agree with you 100%
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I back this comment 💯
you are most correct, Greg is a gifted investigator and has brought his knowledge to many air disasters. we thank you for your service Greg!
Yes - thank you for posting.
It's that classic dilemma where a big plane has to slow down to land but stall speed goes down too - and the larger the plane,the longer time it takes to recover from a stall...and a spin takes longer apparently - now I understand.
Sorry to hear of this....
This man is a VERY experienced accident investigator and is highly qualified to comment on aircraft crashes. 👍
Yeah, you never want Greg reviewing your flight. If he is, something went very sideways.
anybody can comment on the fact that we don't know why it happened.
@@LukeO9 severe icing, loss of control, unrecoverable stall/ spin
I can listen to him all day long talking about aviation. This guy sould be a professor of aeroneutical
@@annsheridan12 Hello. You must use all tools. You don't have ailerons, rudder or elevator but You engines below your wings. If someone use assymeytrical power (one engine full power and the other reverse if needed) and nothing happen then i agree is unrecoverable
Greg Feith, the Godfather of modern aircraft crash investigations. His insight is always welcome. I bet the cockpit voice recorder will reveal cockpit chaos if undamaged and working
I was thinking of that Mayday episode before watching this video and thinking YEP when I saw it too was an ATR-72
One of the most experienced investigators in the world .
That's gonna be a hard job listening to people's last moments
I've been watching him since 1996 when Value Jet went down. I regret not getting into this field.
@@suetaylor46you would have been a natural . What are you doing ? Rocket Science?
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Who remembers Greg from Air crash investigation! What a legend. Hope you’re well mate
ValuJet air crash episode! It’s funny to see how he’s aged over the years!
In the 90s he was doing a major investigation every one to two years.
Also on MAYDAY he was always the best.
having watched air crash investigation videos growing up, it's great seeing a familiar face explaining the situation. He is absolutely the right person to talk about the incident.
This guy is a legend, good to see him. What is tragic is the cause again why he made the interview. RIP all victims.
I was literally about to leave a comment that said this guy is a legend lol. Glad I saw this first
@ianriggs Greg Faith was his name I recall . Very professional guy
@@AnetaMihaylova-d6f……surname is Feith………
@@AnetaMihaylova-d6f I think his last name is Feith. I always enjoy hearing his explanations.
@lottiesquires1566 yes Feith
Man, I wish I could articulate facts as concisely and clearly as this expert.
Greg Feith is not only a respected expert in his field, but also a national treasure for us all.
That's what proper 'experts' do. Its part of the job. Trouble is today we have got so used to 'experts' who really aren't experts st all particularly on the internet. They were always like this in the past but Aircraft Safety is not political unlike many other 'disasters, or shouldn't be anyway, so we have 'experts' who know what they are talking about. Only thing contradicting this when a high profile international passenger aircraft type crashes and it turns political simply because so many millions of passengers use them and sales may be affected. But I don't believe even they could influence proper accountable experts.
Both black boxes were recovered yesterday and are in good condition despite external damage, they have not been burned. greetings from Brazil, São Paulo
I flew on that particular plane in July, so sad to see this happen but I hope this crash allows air travel to be safer than ever especially considering that the ATR is widely used in Brazilian regional flights 🙏
They reported that 100% of the data was salvaged.
🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦😪
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@@Jeff-ow1qq Sadly, it will never again be safe , because of the Badly constructed panes, and Because of the poisons in the pilots.
As a major airline pilot,I must say this, as tragic as it is, was a refreshing overview. Very professional and non bias
Mr. Feith has always had my utter respect ever since I was a kid and things haven’t changed. This man is a legend and his amount of knowledge is mind boggling. It’s always a treat to hear him speak.
Familiar with Mr. Feith's career since I was a kid. He does an excellent analysis of breaking the problem down into parts without losing sight of the big picture. RIP to the crew and passengers of VoePass Flight 2283.
It's such a nightmare to have so many videos of it as well. I can't imagine watching my family members die from so many angles. Coroner's report says the cause of death of everyone inside was polytraumatism from the impact (at 440 km/h, if I recall correctly).
Did you grow up watching him on Mayday like I did?? What a great commentary on the event
@@pandksfarm3761, I think Greg was on the documentary series named Blackbox🤔way back in the day.I remember thinking how Kool this guy was with how he explained everything.
@@andrewcharley1893 I’m not familiar with that one, I’ll have to check it out. Thank you!
This man is so universally loved and respected
And he doesn't play the guitar!
He makes flying safer with his research and wisdom!
His vast experience and exposure to event analysis makes him a highly valued person worth respecting and listening to.
@@Plisken65 what do you mean by that i am new at these videos but i know of this aviation investigator retired that his
@charlespoe1306 there is another UA-camr pilot that analyzes crashes with a giant ego and always finds a way to insert video of himself playing music. To each their own, I guess.
I have seen this man on Air Disasters. One of my favorite shows
Do you mean Air Crash Investigations?
@@johngreydanus2033.....nope, Air Disasters....its a show on Smithsonian channel
@@johngreydanus2033 Yeah it's the same show. it has different names depending on what channel and region it's playing.
"Mayday, known as Air Crash Investigation(s) outside of the United States and Canada and also known as Mayday: Air Disaster (The Weather Channel) or Air Disasters (Smithsonian Channel) in the United States"
Greg feith
He does a podcast with other former investigators. Cohost with the legendary John Goglia and former Boeing safety analyst, Todd Curtis. You might have seen them on many episodes of aircrash investigations. It’s called the Flight Safety detectives and it’s also available on UA-cam. Greg is absent a lot recently because of other commitments but you should check out the series of videos of them discussing accidents they investigated while working at Ntsb, and the series they did on the Max 8 crashes will give you a perspective that’s not very popular but is an eye opening dissection of the official reports of those accidents.
Greg's first NTSB investigation where he was in charge was the crash of ValuJet 592 in May, 1996. He's been doing this all his life, and yes he's a great communicator.
Greg Feith single-handedly made aviation safer over his 20 year career. His input on this crash should be heeded and held to a very high standard. That’s how good this guy is.
Also, shoutout all my Mayday/Air Crash Investigation/Seconds from Disaster fans! Go Greg go!
This guy is a legend in the NTSB. Any feedback he provides is important for people to listen to.
He's a legend on Air Crash Investigation/Mayday. And he has a channel here with Todd Curtis discussing air safety.
You cant beat a Leg End
@@mikepxg6406Well, unfortunately for him airplanes don't care about him anymore. They're doing away with all the leg... space. I'll see myself out.
Why? CVR tape already disproves icing. CO-pilot was distressed demanding more power Aircraft had known hydraulic problems. Low hydraulic pressure activated Hotel mode in flight -problem solved.
Greg Feith was lead investigator for the roselawn crash. If anyone is an expert on ATR crashes and aircraft safety it is this man.
This dude is Legendary........
Thank you for reminding me of his last name. I thought that was him. He has investigated tons of big time aviation accidents. I remember seeing him in Air Disaster episodes.
i saw the thumbnail and before i clicked I yelled out thats feith from the investigation series on discovery! good stuff he has a lot of closet fans lol
Greg Feith is the rigth man for this mission no doubts about that" Being a Senior Expert, in this approach he is indeed offering his services to the Brazilian Authorities.
And, he is completly imparcial, being a foreign, outsider element. If the Brazilian Authorities want to know really what happened, call Greg Feith for the job.
Nobody better than Greg. Incredible at explaining complicated scenarios in common terms.
he explains things in a way that is easily understandable by the general public. i like that as well.
Greg Feith is a tough no nonsense investigator. His clarity on the subject is miles above the rest. Got to meet at Oshkosh Airventure several years ago. He’s a down to earth, likable guy. Respect!
The most recognized face for those that watch the air disasters documentary shows. Greg is a legend. Such a devastating and traumatic accident in Brazil. God comfort their families
On that plane there was a 5-year-old girl who was traveling with her father to spend Father's Day together (last Sunday was Father's Day here in Brazil), when the firefighters went to collect the bodies, the two were hugging each other. There was also a Venezuelan child who was with a puppy, all of them were found charred (including the dog itself), all the passengers were found charred. This accident was very tragic and much heavier than you guys imagine and the families are devastated, there were many people whose dreams were interrupted and they lost their lives. At this moment there is not much to ask questions or question because unfortunately we do not have all the answers, just pray for the families, friends and loved ones of the victims, Please pray for the families! 🙏 I wish everyone reading this a great day/night and good health always!
Just horrible!
This info shook me. I am on the outer edge of the aviation community. I've never witnessed a crash or been at a crash scene. God willing, I never will.
😢💔🐶🙏🏽🇧🇷
This is horrific, the only blessing is they would have died before hitting the ground , its very unlikely they were conscious and posses conscious awareness for longer than a few seconds as oxygen deprivation takes your life within seconds of it occurring ... the people and they way they were found, was as a result of the fire, they were deceased at the time ...
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Love this guy on Mayday. Not only was he great at his job as an investigator, but he also knows how to explain it to people like me who have very little knowledge of aviation or physics.
"The simple principle of accident investigations is you gotta ask why questions until you run out of why questions." Exactly. That is why Greg is one of the greatest to ever investigate air crashes. All the best investigators work this way.
I recognise this man from past Aircraft Investigations on TV.
I always found him to be a very good communicator and easy to listen to.
Thank you 👍
Greg Feith is a legend on Air Crash Investigation/Mayday, a real-life pilot who has appeared in a TV movie about a crash, and a former NTSB investigator. And he has a channel here with Todd Curtis discussing air safety.
It’s hard to imagine someone providing a better explanation than this.
This was 100km from my house. A shock for us. Brazilian aviation is cinsidered very secure, we did not have accidents since 2007 in commercial aviation...
Yeah, it was also 1,000km from my house. It was right here on earth.
@@Afuru1 yeah... Within your 100kmd radius bull eye
@@Afuru1Do you live in Brazil? Anywhere within a radius of 1,000 km of the crash site is either Brazil or Paraguay. If you want to be out of Brazil for good you need a radius of 3,500 km.
Brasileiro é chato fica escrevendo comentários em inglês em canais estrangeiros pra chamar atenção de estrangeiros que estão pouco ae importando com acidentes no Brasil
@@aroldomarcospereiraprimo6156 uai, mas pq o chat está em inglês. Se estivesse em português escreveria em português.
Best Review on this accident so far. You did a great Job on investigating my Airlines accident at AE on 10/31/94.
Almost 30 years and it happened again. 😢
@@malumello17Because the tail design is horrible and ATR never fixed it.
UPDATE 15 AUG 10:54 GMT: "The transcript of the conversations between the pilot and co-pilot was prepared by the Flight Recorder Data Reading and Analysis Laboratory of Cenipa. The transcript is approximately two hours long.
Investigators say that the preliminary analysis of the material indicates that the ATR 72-500 lost altitude suddenly and that, based on the analysis of the cockpit audio alone, it is not possible to identify an apparent cause for the crash.
Upon realizing that the plane was losing lift, co-pilot Humberto de Campos Alencar e Silva asked the pilot what was happening. He said that it was necessary to increase power in an attempt to stabilize the aircraft and prevent it from falling. The recording, which ends with screams, confirms that only one minute passed between the loss of altitude and the plane hitting the ground.
Analysts say that they did not identify any characteristic warning sounds, such as those indicating fire, electrical failure or engine failure." (CBN/Globo)
Listening to black boxes has to be a horrible job.
I wonder if this plane can be manipulated (remotely?) to experience a sudden drop in altitude like that. Or was there a weird weather anomaly? Clearly both engines were operable. That plane had a very interesting passenger list. Perhaps that offers a clue.
@@terripebsworth9623 oh please…
they're looking in the wrong direction. they should look at the passenger list
Increasing Power (or at least trying it) would indicate Icing - Speed is Life in an Icing Event.
The clarity of the train of thoughts is amazing with this man. Oratory impecable, ppl commenting should learn with this one. 👏 Respect to this very wise sir.
As a Brazilian it was good to listen to some unbiased foreign opinion.
absolutely cannot trust corrupt biased CENIPA
From one teacher to another, you are an excellent teacher. I would love to take a course from you on all the crashes you have investigated.
Very professional. The best analysis yet...
I've seen Greg on "Mayday" and other programs dealing with air crashes. His ability to explain things in clear terms is valuable to learning from mistakes.
Yep a non-pilot can learn a lot from him.
REALLY well done. Tons of great information. No dragging it out. No bull$*^t. No fake AI voices. No dramatic pauses in a word- no "ayy's" and "thee's". No cuts every 5 words. In other words, professional, intelligent, and classy- unlike a lot of UA-cam these days.
According to Brazilian authorities they have already been able to recover data at data recorders.
I was going to post that, they already have the black boxes
@GamingWithMaddog64 OP didn't say "find". He said recover. Meaning the data was readable.
Yes nowadays the recorders have motherboards that can simply be plugged in and listened to and read.
Yes, Brazilian investigation body CENIPA has confirmed both boxes are in good condition to retrieve data and voice.
Brazilian authorities have 30 days to release preliminary report of the accident (mandatory). But a very well known expert in Brazil gathered some tehcnical facts/info and he said they'll might have 99% of the cause enlightened already in this preliminary report. They do not release anything bf, because there's a need to be cautious to deminish all the other possible explanations to the accident
I’m Brazilian. That’s the best information I’ve got. Thank you.
So what
@@erikhaack4123 _99% of the Brazilian journalists are PhDs in BStology. That’s what, silly._
Nobody cares where you from 😉
@@antoniosouza1978 exactly
@@antoniosouza1978 _How do you know that nobody cares where I come from? Have you interviewed all nobodies existent to reach that stupid conclusion?_
Love this guy. Watched him for years . He’s so knowledgeable, professional and level headed No BS about him He’s the type we need to keep on aviation’s safety at any cost !
Greg Feith that man REALLY knows what he is talking about.
I remember seeing him play a first officer in a TV film called 'Crash, the mystery of flight 1501'.
R.I.P to all the passengers and crew onboard that aircraft 🙏😔
Greg Feith demonstrates he is true expert by explaining complex stuff in such a simple manner that we, the non-experts, understand exactly what he is talking about. Very refreshing to hear from him.
Fyi: the flight recorders are 100% maintained and they extract everything. Also, CENIPA agents are fantastic investigators. I have full trust and respect for their work. The preliminary reports comes out in one month.
Hello. Be aware of ATR. ATR72 has a lot of flaws not only ICE. ATR wants airplanes flying. Hide things. I saw that in investigations before. BE AWARE
Is it permitted to dispatch with inoperative CVR? Are they 30 day MEL?
@@richardkudrna7503 Hello. Master MEL for sure. Depend of company MEL
I was lucky enough to have Greg as one of my instructors at Metro State College of Denver. It was a NTSB class, and he was probably fairly new with the board. This was probably around 1983.
Wow…40 years is a wealth of knowledge. 👍🏽
This is the straightest, clearest explanation of what was witnessed & debated the past few days. Esp stalls not soley being caused by engine issues & failures, by definition. Sadly, you can hear the propellers operating right up until the crash. And I'd like to believe the pilots were doing everything they could to come out of this catastrophic situation.
Yeah i could hear that too. It sounded like they were out of their depth after icing on the wings
@phanoonki Read an article today about this particular plane's mechanical issues - it was grounded many times for repairs & re-repairs the past year. The day before the crash passengers complained about AC problems & "unbearable heat." Odd, because temps at 20K+ feet should be fairly cool. A little stifling, maybe, but hot?
I’ve watched this guy for decades. Very knowledgeable.👍🏻👍🏻
Although older, I recognised him straight away, and all that confidence and knowledge still so apparent..such a pleasure to listen to such a talented communicator!
Greg is the most knowledgeable aviation accident investigator I know of! He's an expert in his field and a gentleman. Rip to the victims tragic accident ❤️
He’s really aged !!
Spent enough years on this earth, everyone will age at some point or another
How many do you know of? :)
Greg Feith, one of the best investigators out there, I remember your meticulous work on flight 1420. Huge respect Sir
I live in Arkansas and remember that one very well.
My home state since 1990. That crash will always be remembered here.
So horrible the way these people died in an airplane in a spiral way down I hope they find out what happened so that it will never happen again
The terrible fear they most likely had to endure! So Sad
that airplane model must be retired. There has been more than 60 accidents since its introduction in 1989. More than 470 people have perished in those airplanes.
It's an inadequate design for coping with icing: the flying-surfaces can't shed ice as it builds up, destroying lift and reducing the efficiency of the controls. All the redundancy has been designed-out of these so-smart modern-day airliners: many of them don't even "look right".
This was due to pilots error.
It's Greg Feith! Yes, he was on many Air Crash Investigation show episodes offering insight. It was hard to watch how that plane just fell out of the sky. RIP to all on board and condolences to their families.
A flat spin going down has to be the most horrifying experience in an airliner crash.
Have a feeling the recorders for this flight is going to be haunting...
With the new rules and laws, recordings will not be made available to the public.
@@thiagooo2096 Ofc they will.
@@thiagooo2096 But they will be transcribed in the accident report.
1:32 Thanks to brilliant NTSB investigators like Mr Firth, flying (especially in the good old USA) is so unbelievably safe. NTSB, though a government agency, is almost unforgivably underrated. Praise them for their FABULOUS record of finding the causes for the accident, and working tirelessly to ensure ANOTHER accident does not occur.
In Brazil we have CENIPA who also does an amazing job keeping us safe in the skies. Because of them Brazil was 17 years without any major incidents (Since TAM 3054).
He has a podcast, Flight Safety Detectives, and he often points out that the NTSB is understaffed and underfunded and we need to insist that our government do better.
@@sleepingsealproductions That and the quality of the investigations/reports being done by the NTSB today are, for the most part, severely lacking.
The NTSB is one of the few federal agencies that I have a positive opinion of. Sometimes they want to blame the dead pilots for it when it's not always true. The "why" questions Mr Feith refers to often answers many questions.
@@consortiumxf On what are you basing that opinion?
Best accident investigator ties worn and, top notch explanations in these investigation ever! Kudos Mr. Feith.
Greg Faith was an excellent investigator for the NTSB for decades. SOLID
Holy cow the "Roselawn" investigator himself! You saved a lot of lives with that one. I wouldn't be surprised if you received a call from Brazil soon.
Mr. Greg Feith is a brilliant communicator and knows not only aviation but also aerospace technology very well! After his work with Value Jet, Flight 592, 1996, I followed his work within the NTSB. For this tragic flight, I was very sad to see how this plane crashed and that those poor passengers were probably terrified for quite some time. The pilot was young and enthusiastic and really seemed to absent of recklessness. Tragic in every way.
If you're a fan of NGC Air Crash Investigations, you know who this man is.
Also known as Mayday 😊
This guy is the authority in air crash investigations. I always enjoy watching his contributions to the shows on air disasters. He’s very well informed and concise.
This guy is basically a celebrity in the ACI community
Thanks Mr.Feith for information given, my son and I always love looking at your documentaries on airplanes investigations ✈️many love ♥️from Trinidad🇹🇹 in the Caribbean great to see and hear from you again 👌condolences to the families and friends of those precious souls that has been lost RIP 🙏🙏
Good to see Greg and Mary Shiavo still going.
Where is mary schiavo
Greg yes, Mary not so much. Bit of a self-promoting blowhard.
There was a severe icing warning where the plane was flying.
Yes, other pilots flying in the same area reported this. This is among the busiest Brazilian airspaces.
If there was icing, then this needs to be looked at carefully. ATR and ice don’t mix well.
@@jovram8980 I even heard an ATR pilot say it's not allowed to go into severe icing.
Don't ATR's have in-built de-icing on the wings or its technologyis too old?
@@THADEUS-md6wv I’m not sure, but if the pitot tubes were frozen (even if the wings werent), there may have been an unreliable airspeed issue in the cockpit, similar to air france 447
Great commentary. I fly an ATR for a job and had a previous career as an engineer maintaining them. Pleasing to see someone stating facts and laying the situation out clearly. No conjecture or guessing. 'The facts will speak for themselves'. Those of us at the pointy end of this aircraft are watching any outcomes with interest. We have our suspicions, but they will be kept silent until a formal investigation is complete.
Both boxes recovered. The pilot had 5000+ hours, all on the ATR.
This Former NTSB investigator was very knowledgeable and informative.
Hi, Greg. I’ve flown the ATR 72 for almost 5 years. In my opinion, in about 2016, the ATR REMOVED the 3 most important steps to deal with SEVERE ICING from the Memory Items 1) Hold Control Wheel firmly and turn the AP OFF; 2) Descend!!! and 3) Notify the ATC (later).
Curious if the AP kicked off and handed the startled pilots a severely out of trim AC.🤔
I assume that is still a described procedure though, just not listed as a “memory” item, yes? I have 7,000 hours in ATR’s and those procedures were a result of the Roselawn accident at my then airline. Even the 737 I fly now requires disconnection of the autopilot in severe icing conditions in addition to prohibiting holding in icing conditions with flaps extended. .
I heard the sky was clear when and where the aircraft was flying, perhaps this accident is not related to icing at all.
@@olasek7972other aviators have reported heavy icing that day
@@olasek7972 Certainly possible. But, when an ATR departs controlled flight in stable cruise while supposedly operating in potentially severe icing conditions, it’s understandable the first thought is an icing-related issue initiated the accident sequence.
This guy is immense.
News from the preliminary report indicate that
1) the pilots noticed "a lot of ice" forming on the wings
2) alerts were issue by the plane, including "degraded performance
3) apparently the pilots did not think that this was critical, as they never declared emergency
4) with all that piling up, the plane immediately stalled when performing a right turn to enter the airport zone
It's REALLY unfortunate the video description does not mention Mr. Feith's podcast, *Flight Safety Detectives.* Him and John Goglia (or 'The Cogfather' as I call him 😊) provide so much great information and education. FYI: John Goglia is the *first and only* Airframe and Powerplant mechanic to receive a *presidential appointment* to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). Speaks volumes of his knowledge and skills.
Much respect Mr Feith. Admirable presentation.
Glad you enjoyed the interview!
Needs his own channel!
He has one! Flight Safety Detectives
@@grabasandwich Flight Safety Detectives, not Air Safety Detectives
@@consortiumxf my bad. I deleted it 😊
@@grabasandwich It's all good. I'm just a huge Greg Feith nerd/fan 🤣
This man was always brilliant on the Air Crash Investigations TV show - can listen to him for hours. Highly informative and straightforward.
Having pilots trained to respond to these scenarios should not be the answer to these accidents. Cancelling a flight due to weather in order to save lives should be the answer.
So, just not train pilots to recover from issues? What about when the weather is good?.
Two completely independent factors.
@@alemswazzu No, clearly pilots need to be trained to react to these scenarios. However, a company should not proceed with conducting flights through bad weather with certain aircraft frames susceptible to icing more than other platforms merely because the pilots are trained to react to a flat spin. The company is making the broad assumption that because the pilot is trained, the icing and the bad weather are completely countered.
This is a very impressive delivery of a concise overview of the issues involved in determining what happened with this aircraft. Very articulate and talented delivery. Thank you!
I've been an instructor at the NTSB Academy in the past. This video says a lot without saying much. Basically this video describes the process of investigating the crash but at present there isn't enough information that has been made public yet.
Yeah, I'm not a very eloquent speaker, but he seems like one of the best. Some people in high ranking positions in the world (wink, wink) just spew non-stop verbal diarrhea!
Listening to him you might think no door ever fell off any Air Alaska plane, no faulty systems were ever installed on any planes manufactured in the United States, no wheel ever dropped from an American aircraft, and the list can go on and on: in short, we live in a perfect world (of aviation).
@@lordjim3109 How so? I watched Mayday on TV for years, and all the NTSB Investigators went into great detail about potential and ultimate causes of each crash.
Greg Fife has enormous experience to draw from. He’s on many of the Smithsonian Air Disaster show. Thank you Greg!
He’s a great communicator, thanks for the insights.
I've always appreciated Greg Feith's clear-cut analysis of this subject matter. His contributions to the NTSB, over the years, were superb from what I can tell. Personally, I've always thought that the wing design of this ATR is insufficient. I would NEVER fly on this aircraft given its crash history.
Thanks for weighing in!
Very good explanation...thank you....
Greg is the ultimate professional in his field
Mr. Feith, I have the highest regard for your analytical skills and forthrightness. A true professional. Thank you, Sir.....
Greg is one of my favorite NTSB lead investigators.
Who were the doctors??
Excellent analysis, other pilots flying in the same area a litlle before the crash, have already reported "Severe Icing" there, alerting other pilots about it.
Greg Feith - Always on Mayday. Very Very well spoken and excellent at message delivery. It was a pleasure to be educated in this video.
I remember him since ValueJet crash in Miami (1996) Top investigator!🔥🔥🔥🔥
Mr Greg Feith is one of most experienced investigators former NTSB. GREG YOU ARE THE BEST. God bless you.
Great to hear Greg's views on this accident. He is a leading authority from the NTSB. I remember he led the investigation into the Valuejet crash in the Everglades. Years ago I trained as a pilot and part of that training involved incipient spin and spin recoveries, but we never trained for flat spinning. As Greg mentioned we all want answers as to why this aircraft crashed, but it is important to let the authorities do a methodical investigation which could take time.
Greg is not in the media enough, he should be on Podcasts.
Someone commented that he has one, Flight Safety Detectives! 😊
@@grabasandwich Yes, That's exactly what its called. Two other retired veteran investigators are on the podcast also. They were featured on AIR DISASTERS same as Greg was on.
he's not DEi !!
And news channels
@@grabasandwichBrilliant thanks so much for the heads up/ 100% gonna subscribe to that podcast!! 🙏
Could listening to his analysis all day.
Really 😢
Greg got me obsessed with air crash investigation😊
The most uncomfortable and loud aircraft I’ve ever flown. Even worse IMO than the C130s I rode on while in the military.
I don’t think it’s appropriate aircraft to fly over that kind of terrain just as a layperson I’d never get on one
Try AN-26.
@@richardkudrna7503 I haven't, thats why I said what I said.
I remember C-130 flights coming in and the guys being very very thirsty after 10 hours unpressurized flight. Correction: C-130 are pressurized, not sure how I messed that up.
@@richardkudrna7503 Other than when we had an Airborne operation, the C130s were always pressurized...but the air was EXTREMELY dry as you mention.
Well said. I get so tired of the "internet speculation" and the UA-cam experts who have zero facts, talking as if they have investigative authority on the subject. They know nothing more than the rest of us but they sure have all the answers. This was a very thoughtful presentation of possibilities and things investigators will be focusing on.
Clear and precise. Thank you. It would have been nice if you had used a small model representation to help us better understand from a visual perspective.