I'd love to know the statistics of how many dollars per hour efi costs the customer when that garbage stops working....... intermittently of course so that your dealer argues that there's nothing wrong with it.
Another point of EFI vs Carb engines is with the proper fuel mixture on startups with EFI, oil doesn't require oil changes as fast. This is in part the reason why oil changes in vehicles went away from 3k mile oil changes in cars. Basically carb engines don't run as efficiently and that impacts your oil. As that is the case your engine runs cleaner and possibly longer.
Different brands different engines apples and oranges,. not a good test. should have used say a vanguard same hp and then the vanguard efi same hp. Not getting EFI too much to go wrong more repair costs, not KISS not getting.
+Bust776 Thanks for the comment. There is an element to this that you can do yourself. The tan wire on the engine connector by the starter is an indicator light. If you put a test light on it you can access blink a sequence that can tell you what codes have faulted and the engine manual will tell you what those codes mean and what can be done to repair the engine. On a Kohler, activate the blink code by turning the key ON-OFF, ON-OFF, ON. Briggs sells a mini scanner as well. See your manual for more info.
Another great video made by Wright! Thanks again! Okay, we all know Wright Stand-ups are the best in the business, so let's see them in action. Can you make high def videos of the standers out doing real work? Maybe do side-by-side videos with the Wrights mowing against some competitors.
+David Birkett Thanks for the input. We have put together some footage from last summer. Here is a link to it, even though it's not released yet. ua-cam.com/video/1fq_CVrfkoc/v-deo.html
For those that love their carbs. and criticize FI, just remember, if it wasn't for innovators like Mr. Wright you'd still be arguing why your donkey is better than my horse.
Just did the math for CLIP Lawn Care, and our Employees are about 39% versus 2.0% for gas, so definitely important to buy good performance mowers! I know you didn't mean it that way, but for us Labor is definitely more important than fuel!
+David Tucker II Dave, Thanks for the data. That's very critical. Engine performance is way more critical than fuel consumption. That highlights why it's important to first choose power and torque and than look at the fuel options.
When it comes to equipment most look at the price of the machine before anything else, in other words, they won't pay 10 grand if they can do it for 5. This is the same reason electric cars never caught on, it takes to long to realize any savings. So adding the price of that machine set up both ways would be more of what people would actually look at for starters.
Marty, yes, true. This mower is not for everyone (something the like Stander X is...). The ZK is more for someone who would otherwise be looking for a $12-14k rider...
I think you are going to find we live in a much different time now, the automobile industry is finding this out. It is not what the machine is worth, or even what it cost to build it, it is now coming down to what people can afford. Of course you don't have to take my word for it but we have kind of come to the end of the line. Think about it, can you honestly say you really believe that one day workers will be making 500 bucks an hour and the cheapest home will cost you a million bucks. No, that does not make sense. In other words everything is going to be forced into not going up in price, not by law, but by everyone's ability to pay. So again I ask, why would I spend 14,000 bucks when I can do it for 5000, no is looking to spend more, no one.
Does any happen to know a rough cost of replacement parts when comparing carb vs. EFI? Not including labor which can vary as well. But a new carb vs. New EFI fuel lines, computer, components, ects?
That's the lottery we all have to deal with. Same problem with these newer diesel trucks--do you pay now or maybe pay later? On average tho EFI will save $. At the end of the day--that's one of the reasons why we sell both options.
@@WrightMowers Newer diesels cause you to pay more now and later. Diesel trucks have more oil capacity making servicing more expensive along with much more expensive filters, added DEF fluid, increased repair costs. And actually more frequent repairs. Turbos, EGR's, exhaust sensors, injectors, high pressure pumps, are all more prone to failure than their gas engine counterparts, and are more expensive to repair. Not a lottery, just facts Jack...
I can see where he's coming from. The old carburetor system on your car. Went from 12 miles to a gallon until it went to injection. 2 somewhere around 37 miles to a gallon on the same car.
Well explained video on carb vs EFI. Nice u all actually ran a test vs people just posting and repeating what they hear others say on gas savings. I take it that all the negative comments to this video are from those who can’t afford the EFI engines
Auto mfg's were phasing out carburators in the early 1980's . Almost 40 years and we're just starting to use this awesome technology on small engines ?
I'm interested in EFI because I have had a lot of problems with carburated engines in mowers and other small engine equipment. I don't see an EFI option for the FX730 on the Stander Intensity 48", it is not an option despite Kawasaki making the same engine with both options?
would love to see a video on changing the blades and general maintenance. I have been looking at the I and wondering how a person at home would change the blades. How would the mower be lifted? How would the oil drip out or is there a tool? I have been using a pump but is that the best? the maintenance that people need to do would be a great video.
+John Ley Thanks for the input. We have more maintenance type videos in the pipeline. Stay tuned. Check out our oil change video. A tip that came up after we published the video was to take a 2L bottle and cut the bottom off so that is has a scoop shape--once you have the filter loose, place the bottle over the filter while you spin the filter off and all the oil and the filter will be caught in the bottle.
Maybe a couple drops... You can defiantly see it sucking it down enough to get the point. Sure the carburated one could be out of "adjustment" but the EPA put the kibosh on that a couple of years ago and the factory jets get bigger (more fuel) rather they become contaminated and caused them to run leaner. To me the biggest innaccuracy of this is the sample size of 1. Ideally we'd do larger areas multiple times and average them. -Ed
No doubt efi should be more efficient, but you really have too many variables with the hp/displacement issue. Rpm's also need to be a constant. Could be splitting hairs here since we already know that efi should be more efficient. Imho.
That's all true but both these engines are sold on this same mower. The point was to get a little more realistic than Kohlers "may save up to 30%"... -Ed
My question is: Why not just go diesel? Diesel engines are VASTLY more efficient, durable, and lower maintenance than comparable gas units. At this power level and total unit weight, I can't imagine what benefit a gas engine would hold.
Great question. The reason has a lot to do with cost. Now that the EPA regulations are pushing exhaust after treatment it pushes the price of a diesel way up for the portable-type landscaper's mower. The cost starts to justify itself when you get into the 60-80hp range.
Carbs are simple, and that's good. But a plugged jet can lean out the engine blow a hole in the cylinder and you have to set them rich to run evenly, thus using more gas.
mystic1754 lean is mean man who wants a compuyer to tell it to run perfect when you can get more power from a simoler tune lets see you adjust the factory computer to run leaner to get more power. your over thinking i drove a cummins with a 24 valave i know how injectors work i have a nova with a 1050 dominator i know how carbs work i know you can tune a comouter but only a hand full of people can tune one and only a hand full of people can tune a carb everyone relys on a computer but if you know hoy rods and mess with carbs any one in their right mind would go mechanical over computer as long as they domt overthink like you. no one wants you round here dirt
I have been a technician for years working on small engines what I watch in this video is seriously pointless gas saving don't mean squat when it comes to the cost when that brand new machine needs maintenance
Really impressed with the way you run that company, an inspiration for me
Very well done
Thanks, Ed
I'd love to know the statistics of how many dollars per hour efi costs the customer when that garbage stops working....... intermittently of course so that your dealer argues that there's nothing wrong with it.
2.74 a gallon lol 5.74 now let's go brandon
Another point of EFI vs Carb engines is with the proper fuel mixture on startups with EFI, oil doesn't require oil changes as fast. This is in part the reason why oil changes in vehicles went away from 3k mile oil changes in cars. Basically carb engines don't run as efficiently and that impacts your oil. As that is the case your engine runs cleaner and possibly longer.
Different brands different engines apples and oranges,. not a good test. should have used say a vanguard same hp and then the vanguard efi same hp. Not getting EFI too much to go wrong more repair costs, not KISS not getting.
Great Video. Thank you for breaking it down. Sounds like a big plus for EFI. Only downside I have heard is only the dealer can work on them.
+Bust776 Thanks for the comment. There is an element to this that you can do yourself. The tan wire on the engine connector by the starter is an indicator light. If you put a test light on it you can access blink a sequence that can tell you what codes have faulted and the engine manual will tell you what those codes mean and what can be done to repair the engine. On a Kohler, activate the blink code by turning the key ON-OFF, ON-OFF, ON. Briggs sells a mini scanner as well. See your manual for more info.
Another great video made by Wright! Thanks again! Okay, we all know Wright Stand-ups are the best in the business, so let's see them in action. Can you make high def videos of the standers out doing real work? Maybe do side-by-side videos with the Wrights mowing against some competitors.
+David Birkett Great idea. Thanks for the suggestion.
+David Birkett Thanks for the input. We have put together some footage from last summer. Here is a link to it, even though it's not released yet. ua-cam.com/video/1fq_CVrfkoc/v-deo.html
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For those that love their carbs. and criticize FI, just remember, if it wasn't for innovators like Mr. Wright you'd still be arguing why your donkey is better than my horse.
My donkey is better than your horse :) good comment. -Ed
Just did the math for CLIP Lawn Care, and our Employees are about 39% versus 2.0% for gas, so definitely important to buy good performance mowers! I know you didn't mean it that way, but for us Labor is definitely more important than fuel!
+David Tucker II Dave, Thanks for the data. That's very critical. Engine performance is way more critical than fuel consumption. That highlights why it's important to first choose power and torque and than look at the fuel options.
When it comes to equipment most look at the price of the machine before anything else, in other words, they won't pay 10 grand if they can do it for 5. This is the same reason electric cars never caught on, it takes to long to realize any savings. So adding the price of that machine set up both ways would be more of what people would actually look at for starters.
Marty, yes, true. This mower is not for everyone (something the like Stander X is...). The ZK is more for someone who would otherwise be looking for a $12-14k rider...
I think you are going to find we live in a much different time now, the automobile industry is finding this out. It is not what the machine is worth, or even what it cost to build it, it is now coming down to what people can afford. Of course you don't have to take my word for it but we have kind of come to the end of the line. Think about it, can you honestly say you really believe that one day workers will be making 500 bucks an hour and the cheapest home will cost you a million bucks. No, that does not make sense. In other words everything is going to be forced into not going up in price, not by law, but by everyone's ability to pay. So again I ask, why would I spend 14,000 bucks when I can do it for 5000, no is looking to spend more, no one.
Does any happen to know a rough cost of replacement parts when comparing carb vs. EFI? Not including labor which can vary as well. But a new carb vs. New EFI fuel lines, computer, components, ects?
Size of engine and hp, don’t always dictate mpg. Many factors come into play. Bigger engines can be way better on fuel.
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but can you buy an efi for 30$ AND IT COST A LOT to fix
That's the lottery we all have to deal with. Same problem with these newer diesel trucks--do you pay now or maybe pay later? On average tho EFI will save $. At the end of the day--that's one of the reasons why we sell both options.
@@WrightMowers Newer diesels cause you to pay more now and later. Diesel trucks have more oil capacity making servicing more expensive along with much more expensive filters, added DEF fluid, increased repair costs. And actually more frequent repairs. Turbos, EGR's, exhaust sensors, injectors, high pressure pumps, are all more prone to failure than their gas engine counterparts, and are more expensive to repair. Not a lottery, just facts Jack...
I can see where he's coming from. The old carburetor system on your car. Went from 12 miles to a gallon until it went to injection. 2 somewhere around 37 miles to a gallon on the same car.
Well explained video on carb vs EFI. Nice u all actually ran a test vs people just posting and repeating what they hear others say on gas savings.
I take it that all the negative comments to this video are from those who can’t afford the EFI engines
It was a fun test. Thanks, Ed
Auto mfg's were phasing out carburators in the early 1980's . Almost 40 years and we're just starting to use this awesome technology on small engines ?
I'm interested in EFI because I have had a lot of problems with carburated engines in mowers and other small engine equipment. I don't see an EFI option for the FX730 on the Stander Intensity 48", it is not an option despite Kawasaki making the same engine with both options?
You cannot just change a total engine design and prove that the EFI is responsible for your hypothesis.
True, but it does show that the complete package offers a significant improvement. -Ed
would love to see a video on changing the blades and general maintenance. I have been looking at the I and wondering how a person at home would change the blades. How would the mower be lifted? How would the oil drip out or is there a tool? I have been using a pump but is that the best? the maintenance that people need to do would be a great video.
+John Ley Thanks for the input. We have more maintenance type videos in the pipeline. Stay tuned. Check out our oil change video. A tip that came up after we published the video was to take a 2L bottle and cut the bottom off so that is has a scoop shape--once you have the filter loose, place the bottle over the filter while you spin the filter off and all the oil and the filter will be caught in the bottle.
+Wright Commercial Mowers how fast is the Zk 52 inch the one with the most Hp? thats the mower I want to buy
I believe 12 or 13mph transport speed. I'm looking at the same mower.
Not an accurate evaluation...fuel is bouncing out of the OPEN container !
( how do we know the carb is properly tuned ???) Not fair !
Maybe a couple drops... You can defiantly see it sucking it down enough to get the point. Sure the carburated one could be out of "adjustment" but the EPA put the kibosh on that a couple of years ago and the factory jets get bigger (more fuel) rather they become contaminated and caused them to run leaner. To me the biggest innaccuracy of this is the sample size of 1. Ideally we'd do larger areas multiple times and average them. -Ed
what's the temp outside. did u compensate for evaporation?
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Brilliant case study. Completely unbiased. Great work, Ed.
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No doubt efi should be more efficient, but you really have too many variables with the hp/displacement issue. Rpm's also need to be a constant. Could be splitting hairs here since we already know that efi should be more efficient. Imho.
That's all true but both these engines are sold on this same mower. The point was to get a little more realistic than Kohlers "may save up to 30%"... -Ed
wow Bill Nye the science guy just confirmed that a larger engine gets worse gas mileage
There are a lot more factors here than just the size of engine, although all other factors being equal, he's right.
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This takes mowing to a serious level of science and nerdom. lol Me just cut grass. ug
That's our job. When you board plane you hope your pilot is an airplane nerd, right? -Ed
Wright Commercial Mowers I have a 2013 Wright Velke 32". Do they have wider tires for those? I think mine are a bit thin for the weight despersement.
more displacement= more fuel consumed, not sure this is a fair test
True, but at the end of the day the EFI had more power and less fuel.
mystic1754 , seen plenty of carbon buildup on efi.
My question is:
Why not just go diesel?
Diesel engines are VASTLY more efficient, durable, and lower maintenance than comparable gas units.
At this power level and total unit weight, I can't imagine what benefit a gas engine would hold.
Great question. The reason has a lot to do with cost. Now that the EPA regulations are pushing exhaust after treatment it pushes the price of a diesel way up for the portable-type landscaper's mower. The cost starts to justify itself when you get into the 60-80hp range.
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James Copeland Diesel engines also have a greater thermodynamic efficency.
fuel injectuon sucks if you know how to tune a carb right
Carbs are simple, and that's good. But a plugged jet can lean out the engine blow a hole in the cylinder and you have to set them rich to run evenly, thus using more gas.
mystic1754 lean is mean man who wants a compuyer to tell it to run perfect when you can get more power from a simoler tune lets see you adjust the factory computer to run leaner to get more power. your over thinking i drove a cummins with a 24 valave i know how injectors work i have a nova with a 1050 dominator i know how carbs work i know you can tune a comouter but only a hand full of people can tune one and only a hand full of people can tune a carb everyone relys on a computer but if you know hoy rods and mess with carbs any one in their right mind would go mechanical over computer as long as they domt overthink like you. no one wants you round here dirt
True fact my friend.
mystic1754 I love apple butter, shit not so much...
I’ll take EFI over a carbed engine any time hands down.
The issue is reliability, the money you'll save you'll spend fixing the kohler
wow I felt my IQ drop watching this.
Did you gain knowledge? that would increase your IQ, right?
I have been a technician for years working on small engines what I watch in this video is seriously pointless gas saving don't mean squat when it comes to the cost when that brand new machine needs maintenance