Heaven's Gate (Michael Cimino, 1980) The Johnson County War (Part 1)
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2009
- Bloody battle scene between settlers and mercenaries from Michael Cimino's misunderstood masterpiece, "Heaven's Gate". With Jeff Bridges, Isabelle Huppert, John Hurt, Ronnie Hawkins, Sam Waterston and Brad Dourif.
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1. Michael Cimino wanted this scene alone to be 90 mins long. The length of a full-feature film
2. The cast and crew had to take a 3-hour van ride from the hotel to the set. That is 3 hours each way
3. Michael insisted that there would be an irrigation system in order to ensure that the grass was green enough, and later would be covered with blood. But he hardly captured this on film
4. A lot of extras were fainting and being injured in this scene
5. The horses were traumatized because of the explosion. This movie is the reason why animal rights in movie sets were taken seriously
6. Michael was bleeding the studio dry, that other film-makers who were usually backed by UA did not get their pictures made.
Damn this just shwos how much of an Egotistical Maniac he was.
1. It was 90 minutes in the rough cut. Cimino then trimmed that down. (As Charles Elton reports, the 5.5-hour cut might have been a power-grab on Cimino’s end so that the studio would accept his later cut, even if it was over three hours. Elton also notes that Bach does not always portray events and relationships accurately.)
2. And? You have a beautiful location and capturing it on film inevitably takes effort on everybody’s end.
3. The verdant nature of the grass comes through in the new restoration which removes this print’s faded sepia color. And no, contrary to what’s on Wikipedia, this print doesn’t represent the original colors. The unrestored print of the short version on the French DVD LE PORTE DU PARADIS makes this clear. [Edit: I have to take this back. LE PORTE DU PARADIS seems to be taken from an interpositive which didn’t have the sepia tint applied in post.]
4-5. There were a few injuries, the battle choreographer and the riders taking the falls were experienced stuntmen, and only one horse was accidentally killed. But hey, when John Ford or Andrew Tarkovsky abuse their actors or bleed animals to death on camera - it’s ok!
6. As Elton notes, Bach had ample opportunity to rein Cimino in. As a matter of fact, Joann Carelli, far from being Cimino’s enabler, was his most constructive critic while he was immersing himself in details, themes, and characters - as filmmakers should do. That’s why he wanted her to produce the film. That’s also why, as Elton reports, she tried reining-in Cimino herself and requested the studio heads side with her, but Stephen Bach ignored her. Yes, Cimino deserves some blame, but the majority of blame goes to Bach, who let Cimino run amok without listening to Cimino’s own advisors on what his limits were. But hey, he got a book out of it in which he blamed Cimino for ruining UA. This despite the fact that the box office bomb of HEAVEN’S GATE wasn’t a factor for Kirk Kerkorian when he bought UA for $383 million ($200 million more than Transamerica bought it for years earlier).
@@vulteiuscatellus4105 Elton's book is also full of errors and speculation. While Bach's book doesn't deserve to sit as the last word on the production, Elton's book isn't really the "take down" that some people think it is, merely the other side of the story. Besides, some of his supposedly original insights were already made by Bach, who fully admitted in his book that he failed to stand up to Cimeno when he should have.
@@zippymufo9765 I agree it makes some mistakes wrt certain production details on HEAVEN’S GATE (ie its report on how Cimino created Casper in Idaho) and some of Cimino’s scripts, but its insights into Cimino’s background and his relationship with Joann Carelli seem pretty reliable. I think you’re exaggerating how unreliable it is.
@@zippymufo9765 “who fully admitted in his book that he failed to stand up to Cimino when he should have”
No, he puts a spin on this too. He doesn’t say how he could have reined in Cimino on the telephone call David Field participated in, nor does he go into how he repeatedly rebuffed Joann Carelli’s signals to back her up in her convos with Cimino. Cimino trusted Carelli to be his most constructive critic and Bach didn’t respect this dynamic.
@cobolsaurus Faulting Cimino for having an ego is like faulting a football player for having testosterone. Ego is the fuel Hollywood runs on. And him having an ego says nothing about the finished film.
here we go round and round .. theme of the whole movie
If you read "Final Cut" you'll see how full of himself cimino was, it's unbelievable... Those oscars for the deer hunter really got up in his head...
This movie failed because it portraits the americans as fascists and murderers, and becasue Kris Christofferson is not Robert De Niro, like in The Deer Hunter.
Like Robert De Niro.
@@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212 The movie failed because most people thought it bloated and boring. And some real history for you: those stock association guys who ordered the murders were mostly European 😂 Everyone already knows that Europe is the birthplace of fascism and genocide.
Literally propaganda from a salty studio executive
Heaven's gate sure has something to say about America but it's also a 4 hours of inflated ego and extreme self indulgent from the director himself. Despite what the revisionists said this movie will never be a thing.
Too many animals were hurt in this movie, unforgivable.
is the daily mega holocaust of the meat industry forgivable?
Thanks for posting this clip. I thought this scene was incredible. While I do agree that this movie drags in certain parts, this scene more than makes up for it.
And this is the shortened version. Before it was cut to 3 and a half hours, from over 5 hours, some who saw it, said the battle alone, was long enough to have its own movie. That's what you get for giving an egotisical Oscar winner, a blank cheque to make his movie.
How many bloody times does Jeff Bridges say "Get down!!" or "Take cover!!!" Should have been edited down...
Probably... Infinity.
Too much dust. This is like watching a polar bear in a snowstorm!
I can see mistakes but one of the worst movies ever??? Should I spend the $13 to buy this movie? I've seen 3 scenes, and they all seem intriguing
Let's review the dynamics of this sequence: Two rows of immigrants riding in opposite directions surrounding the paid cattlemen's posse. The posse is on solid ground and are skilled marksmen. The immigrants are on horseback shooting wildly. Does anyone know how difficult it is to hit your target while riding a horse at full gallop? With one ring riding inside the other, the inner riders can be shot by the posse on one side or their friends on the other. Of course it would be hard to see what ANYONE is shooting at with all that dust.
I havent seen the movie, but who's bright Idea was it to use wagons as quasi chariots?
Dude it’s a bunch of untrained farmers beginning combat to stop their community from being picked off one by one in bounties, they aren’t expected to be the next einsenhowers, plus the next scene shows how a actual law enforcement officer organizes them into fighting capability.
0_0 What am I watching?
It's completly unclear to me why the immigrants attacked in such a rush and killed themselves in carriage accidents. Next they run into their enemies without cover (but the enemies also don't cover).
Oh no, the John Hurt-character got killed! Great scene altogether in the epic film! Watching it makes one feel like a millionaire!
Now Gun Smoke ,, that's a real nice western or have gun will travel, the life and legend of Wyatt Earp, Bonanza, Wagon train, Gun smoke ran 20 years without all this violence.
Ok granddad.
The problem with this scene is it’s so hard to keep track of things with so much dust and dirt flying about. Really bad cinematography.
o@cobolsaurus who cares? lmao
That is 7:58 you'll never get back if you just watched this nonsense.
This movie is such an idiotic waste of time, money and talent.
I know how you feel. I felt the same way about "Infinity Wars" this year. What a pointless piece of shit THAT was...