View the spreadsheet here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vRc6npolU5iRSfzu8JToVGliR7oesLEaSlWrT23JS3I/edit?usp=sharing Hope you enjoy the video! Discord server coming soon :) Now to check out Skyggerfall ;)
Hey, this is an absolutely great resource, but have you considered trying to create a collection for these builds on the nexus? It would be neat to have these available as a one click install. I'm going to start installing some of these and give it a try myself. Any chance of a video on Skyggerfall when you do? That was actually my first experience with the daggerfall story.
@@vaelxn exactly. Raising the resolution without changing meshes just creates spme kind of uncanny valley. Houses look the worst as their weird shapes are even more exposed when everything is in HD.
@@flagassault9715 don't cut yourself on all that edge buddy. I mean, how dare Tomasz share an opinion in the comments, right? He's right though, D.R.E.A.M is good for those who enjoy it but many people (myself included) enjoy the oldschool feel of the original graphics so something like a slightly upscaled pack of the og assets looks and fits better to us. 🤷♂
I really wish you included "Vanilla Normal Mapped" in your Vanilla+ list. Its such a small change that adds soooo much graphically to a mostly vanilla list. I can't live without it
Yeah, I was umming and ahhing and whether it was "too far" for the retro look. I'll add it to the 'Optional Mods' section for those who want to add it though :)
Saving this for later. Unity version made the game incredibly accessible for me, made a dozen characters. Countless hours spent traveling and make their own adventures, these mods will likely increase those hours greatly. Thank you!
Same, I recently have been playing a High-Elf Spellsword, while I do like it, I think I'll probably start over, maybe as a full-mage build, the vanilla Spellsword class is severely lacking in Magicka (like 85 Magicka at the 4th level) 😆
Thanks for making this. A modern, modded Daggerfall is a dream game for me. Its vanilla jank is just a little too arcane for my tastes, so having some shining pillars of humanity mod the game into something smoother is wondrous to see. TES VI who?
Careful with mods that spawn enemies and npcs through scripts (such as Warm Ashes). If they have not been updated to the latest DFU then weird stuff may happen (queuing hundreds of spawns if you fast-travel, for instance).
Wow! Thanks for putting this together. I was looking through the forums trying to find mods for my future playthrough but you went ahead and did all the work for me! Looks like Vanilla Plus will do perfectly!
Great vid, thanks for showcasing some of my mods. If you don't like the look of the Hotkey Bar, you can press 0 to access the in game settings to customise how it looks and functions. You can even just turn off the UI for it and still retain the functionality.
@@Jwlar Is the gog version unity? And is there a quest marker mod? What about one like the one for Morrowind that makes your attacks always hit thus getting rid of the shitty-ass dice roll bullshit?
@@iso-didact789 The GOG version is buggy and loaded with out of date versions of mods. You can get the updated Unity version from here: github.com/Interkarma/daggerfall-unity/releases I don't know if there are any combat mods like that, but you can always check the nexus: www.nexusmods.com/daggerfallunity?tab=popular+%28all+time%29 Hope this helps :)
I've always thought this era of CRPG was the absolute sweet spot of immersion and intuitive systems without having to limit your scope due to more modern problems like voice acting, frame rate, and dev time. Morrowind even more so, but that whole engine is held together with duct tape and twigs, so it's understandable that we never saw a big TC scene. Really hoping this pulls people in, this could be a modding platform we haven't seen the likes of since Half Life, but for first person RPGs. Gonna give Daggerfall another shot too with some of this stuff installed. I played it as a kid and again when Unity came out, but the whole game always felt kind of generic and procedurally generated to me (even the handcrafted parts). Seems like people are addressing it, it's an amazing set of systems.
My modlist is basically just "vanilla+" with some additional mods like the travel options, convenient clock, warm ashes, uncannys always hit, and paperdoll all in one vanilla (which basically lets you use custom character portraits for additional immersion).
More than any modern games have ever managed, looking at these mods made me actually say, out loud, "Wow". Having played the original Daggerfall, albeit through DOSbox, but having played the completely vanilla version, what people are doing to help realise what this game is so close to being is fanastic
I stumbled into the pre-oblivion elder scrolls side of yt while watching skyrim challenge vids and this video and your daggerfall retrospective is slowly convincing me to play this game lol great stuff!
Holy crap this is so useful! Just jumped back into Daggerfall, because I saw your retrospective a week ago. I played the shiiiiit out of DFU when they finally hit Beta and had a blast playing with a lot of the mods that have really evolved since then, like Roads of Daggerfall and Tedious Travel. This game never fails to blow me away with how huge it is, and I absolutely love seeing this community fill that gigantic game world
It's an interesting field exercise in aesthetics where changing one thing can undermine another, for example if you go too high in texture resolution upgrade you can make the underlying original mesh seem far too simple in comparison. It's subject to whoever volunteers time but you get into these conflicts of preference Ie. 4:3 versus Taffy-Vision style "spirited" debates.😅 It's tricky to update since Bethesda was still at a point where mixed media was employed since you have hand drawn pixel art, some CGI prerendered sprites, early mesh poly counts, and 3D/2D all combined to differing degrees of success. Not the same experience but Battlespire was a lot more refined in it's visual craft later on. With the character sprites I think the only universal way to upgrade them for HD is making CGI models of everything to not only increase prerendering resolution but also add more keyframes at this point in time. The polygonal mesh replacements are looking pretty good imo but I've only seen a few high resolution 3D models around that could work for prerendered sprites. I think the quality of life gameplay changes are a great addition, I wish a lot more retro games would embrace that since many have some really confusingly convoluted input systems. My only complaint is how they mostly seem to be all HD-only so they can't match the retro graphics they overlay, must be a way to employ the old HUD graphics into the new form.
If you ever modded Skyrim, you probably know about STEP. The work you have done here is just how i initially created STEP in 2011! Great job! I'm going for the Vanilla+ for the time being ;)
I've installed Daggerfall vanilla first and played some dungeons before messing with mods, because I never played this game (the only ES game I played was Oblivion). Although junky, I think it's pretty charming, with the soundtrack changing accordingly, personaly I love the tavern theme. Then I installed DFU and got a jump in quality of life features from the go. I opened your spreadsheet and started there, messing with load orders, downloading other mods I found on Nexus, checking this, changing that, completely astonished how a 9kb mod file can change SO MUCH in a game like this. I'm completely hooked. Didn't had this much fun with videogames in years, thank you! I'm subscribed to your channel now and I'll watch everything in gratitude for your hard work, and because I'm loving your content.
At I thought this would be "Here's Mod 1, 2, 3" Turns out it's a compiled mod links for different stuff and scenario Thank you for the effort, help me tons!!!
This is awesome. I play plenty of modded NV and fallout 3 but I have countless hours into them. I just decided to jump into daggerfall for the first time ever so I dont even know where to start for mods. I'm going to try vanilla plus that really looks perfect for my intro
As a new player this video and your spreadsheet have been extremely helpful. Just wanted to comment that Wilderness NPCs was continually respawning new enemies while I was in dungeons making it impossible to rest.
it would be nice if you did a Daggerfalls beginners guide, all the ones i found are outdated or just explain how to make the most meta type of character, but none of them explain in more detail things like what each skill does and how much each attribute influence a stat and so on, and maybe also explain the magic crafting in the game cause i still dont know what the numbers mean
@@Jwlar yeah, i've been playing daggerfall since yesterday, and there is a lot of it i still dont understand, i know its supposed to be a manual to read, but hey, even the manual is wrong about, sometimes, like how the weapon skills work, not increasing damage, so clarifying stuff like that would be really great.
@@Malhonn Exactly... for the number of channels out there that talk about Daggerfall, it's surprising to find how LITTLE they explain the mechanics in the game at all
In regards to your "Normal Morrowind Textures" statement: I think that's very fair. Many of the modding projects are high fidelity, but push it outside of intended art style. There is a compromise though, that I have found to be as Vanilla plus as possible. There is an AI upscale mod that take the original textures and uses AI to make them higher resolution. I use it in all of my installs of Morrowind, and I'd recommend you to give it a try if you are a purist, like me, when it comes to that game!
You've inspired this MorrowBoomer (can i be a morrowboomer at 27?) to try Daggerfall! I've decided for a Vanilla+ style as a newbie, as it seems the best way to want me to keep coming back to the game. Thanks for making a mod list too! :)
Thanks! Putting all of this together served as a template for a busy guy like me to try and start this game. I followed your exact load order, minus 1 or 2 nonessentials. Unfortunately at the time of writing(5/6/23) the following mods act up- Mostly Magic Distant Terrain Wilderness NPCs I would love to see an updated video sometime, keep it up!
Thank you! Yeah, it’s a shame that some of the mods don’t get updated very regularly. I plan to make an updated video once the final stable version of DFU is released :) That way mods will have time to be updated without worrying about a new DFU version possibly breaking them again.
Oh man, thankyou so much for making this. I tried modding daggerfall myself but as someone who started on skyrim, what I should and shouldn't use was a little confusing. Excited to try this out
Liked, subbed commenting because of the great work you compiled. This is akin to the great works of art that we still cherish today from ancient times... Truly a masterpiece! *tips elegantly feathered hat*
Thank you so much! Im usually pretty cold about mods and prefer vanilla experience in the most of the games... But ancient Daggerfall on Unitiy kinda asks himself "MOD ME AS MUCH AS YOU CAN"
I completely agree about maintaining the retro visuals. While I do appreciate mods that make games look pretty... I personally enjoy the stylized aesthetics of older games like Arena, Daggerfall, and Morrowind. It also saves time when modding. For instance when building a mod list for Morrowind, I used to spend multiple days or a week setting up a mod list, Trying to make the game look as pretty as possible. but more recently I've gotten into the habit of just embracing the vanilla visuals, (maybe some light weight things like animations, character models, etc.) and spending my time instating mods that overhaul gameplay or adds new quests instead, it saves a ton of time.
it's even worse in a few cases, like the Baldur's Gate "enhanced" edition where the developers think they can dictate how we like the graphics in the game, classic menus/interface gone, and they put Bilinear Filtering on top of everything, making everything blurry, including the menus.... yuck
Despite being a huge TES fan, I have to admit that I've never even considered playing Daggerfall before, because it's just too old for my taste. However, this might change it! Edit: Technically, it's not too old for me to enjoy, since I love games which are even older. I guess dated is a better word.
It's not really even that dated either. It just trusts you to keep track of more information than most games do. Your loss, really, not the game's. The only aspect I would accept as truly flawed is the labyrinthine level design in the dungeons. Though even then one can argue it adds to the sense of unease and adventure.
You've done a fantastic job here! Favorite Daggerfall youtuber by far! I hope you come back to daggerfall maybe in a year for updates. But for now, sit back rest well with a job very well done!
Thank you for the video! Definitely helped me see some of the mods I was curious about in action and add them ontop of the GOG Cut version I'm just started playing. I do wish there was some sort of inventory overhaul to make it a little more like later titles, maybe someday.
I remember watching update videos on DEU long time ago and thinking wow it would be amazing if it will be finished. And here we are. I personally tried playing UESP version of daggerfall and while I loved the idea of the fantasy life simulator, it was just feeling really old. Now I can't wait to play your build and enjoy this gem of a game
I had the original Daggerfall when it came out a million years ago. Over the years I have wanted to play it again as it was a fav of mine back in the day. Then I heard I could get a improved, free version that was very moddable on GOG. I downloaded immediately. I wondered if it would still be fun after all those years. I spent a while making a custom character and started my journey. I immediately noticed the graphics were much better than I expected. I didn't save immediately. I made my way through the dungeon and noticed my health was very low so I saved. I died over and over because I was used to how easy games are now and my save was destroyed because I didn't save immediately. If you read this "SAVE IMMEDIATELY!!!" This game is still hella fun and with the mods and improved graphics, it's better than ever. As you may can tell, I am not a purist. Bring on the higher res and improved graphics all day! I am so glad that this happened. It is very awesome but in a old-school way. I hope the modding community takes this into the stratosphere. Thanks to those that made this possible... for FREE!!! ⚔️
Thanks for your daggefall vids! Gonna be giving the game a try soon. But I have a note for your modlists. You clearly recommend travel option, but it "conflicts" with power struggle in a way. The constant conflicts make you stop during your travels OFTEN.
Have you seen or heard about the multiplayer mod? It's amazing- I was playing with my friend a few days ago. It has a few issues, like enemies, synching up. But in-time it could be the Daggerfall MMO i've always dreamed of.
First time player of Daggerfall, I think I'm going to go against advice and go for the Complete Overhaul; or at least pick and choose a few mods from that selection. I'm a huge fan of Skyrim's Frostfall and survival mods, so those are certainly going in at least.
I'm surprised there is no mention of Physical Combat And Armor Overhaul along with Meaner Monsters (both mods are designed to go together). This is a great combat overhaul that makes skills more meaningful and adjusts combat in a satisfying way. I would also recommend limit gold, that limits the money shops have when buying your stuff and adds an economy to the game. I have it set so most shops only have about 1000 gold max but you can invest gold into the shops to increase it (its also not the default setting I turned it way down). These would be for complete overhaul games obviously :)
I saw a beta test video of a multiplayer from about a year ago, they were able to sync the player models but enemies weren’t able to sync (the were on different places on the players screens) I hope it’s able to be done eventually, but it would probably be incredibly difficult
Perfect timing I been wanting to get into daggerfall tried out the steam version was a bit clunky so I got the unity and some pretty good mods but this is exactly what I needed to really get a good experience I don’t have much time on my hands so I’m just gunna install all the mods I want and play the game.
I’m glad I installed my 3d enemies mod incorrectly cause now only certain enemies are actually 3d So while most enemies turn into a loot pile, skeletons and zombies just go “eugh” and ragdoll and it’s hilarious
Thank you very much for this! The work you put into the spreadsheet and the video is immensely helpful. The hard part for me though is playing this on a gamepad with the Aya Neo Pro 2021
Would it be possible to create a wabbajack modlist for these? It would be helpful for people like me who do not have the time (or patience) to sitdown and install and configure large modlists.
Someone can give it a shot, I'm not very techy, and just reading the tutorial looks like it would give me a lot of issues, but anyone else can give it a shot if they like :)
Hey thanks for the amazing docs and video! Made me finally properly driven to play Daggerfall properly! One question! I am liking the idea of vanilla+ modset but with the retro aesthetic (i dont mind 3d buildings and atmospheric enhancements like better lighting and shadows etc. but id like to have the 2d enemiers, npcs etc. crisp pixel style), any suggestions for altering the vanilla + modlist?
You can use the Smaller Dungeon setting hidden in the Settings.ini (forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?t=1689) It limits the size of the dungeons, making them much more fun imo. (They are still maze-like though) A modder is slowly going through the process of manually creating each dungeon to be more lifelike - www.nexusmods.com/daggerfallunity/mods/320 But it only has the one dungeon at the moment, it looks very promising though.
I wish this video had more details, not complaining and no offense. It's a great video. I just came with so many questions and I left with the same amount, more or less. Technical questions like how to download and install and activate/deactivate the mods. Also compatibility while running multiple mods at once etc. Do all the mods u listed work when downloaded and ran at the same time? What's the ultimate Daggerfall experience including multiple compatible mods ran at the same time? Would we have to uncheck certain boxes? Etc etc
Thank you so much! Gotta breathe some life into my favourite game once more. I think i have like 3 different versions installs across my hard drives. lol
Thanks for this. After your initial Daggerfall retrospective video I went out and downloaded DFU and tried one of the mod collections on Nexus...and I'm not entirely sure it worked out very well. On top of that the game seemed rather difficult to break into at the start and I ended up dropping the game. Hopefully trying the Vanilla+ build with maybe some of the smaller graphics stuff tossed in will help me finally get my foot in the door for Daggerfall, the only main line Elder Scrolls I haven't been able to get into.
Daggerfall has a lot of newbie pitfalls. The awful tutoiral being a big part of the problem. The game works best if you just make a bunch of characters, because the first one will be flawed unless you follow some min/max guide. For first timers I would reccommend just picking the Ranger or Spellsword class. Fight your way out of the dungeon, travel to Gothway Garden and join either the Fighters Guild or Mages guild shop for some better gear and then start doing some quests for the guild you joined.
It can be difficult for sure - it took me 2-3 character until I found one that suited my play style. Use the starting dungeon as a means of testing whether you like your current character build and then leave if you’re happy with it. Join a guild/temple of your choosing and try a few of the easier looking quests to get some money - from there, the world is your oyster. Some good end goals could be to max rank in a few guilds, finish the main quest, or aim to be able to buy a house. Or you can just enjoy dabbling with a few quests and grave robbing. You don’t really have to aim for any kind of goal, and that’s one of my favourite things - it’s nice sometimes just to choose a character build and enjoy the world for an hour or two and call it quits there. Kind of like a Rogue-like game, which I feel Daggerfall is closer too than a longer game like Morrowind for example.
View the spreadsheet here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vRc6npolU5iRSfzu8JToVGliR7oesLEaSlWrT23JS3I/edit?usp=sharing
Hope you enjoy the video!
Discord server coming soon :)
Now to check out Skyggerfall ;)
You're a legend.
Hey, this is an absolutely great resource, but have you considered trying to create a collection for these builds on the nexus? It would be neat to have these available as a one click install. I'm going to start installing some of these and give it a try myself.
Any chance of a video on Skyggerfall when you do? That was actually my first experience with the daggerfall story.
@@Shiney103 Yep, I intend to make a video after I've finished it.
That's a great idea with the Nexus, I'll check it out.
@@Jwlar Thanks a bunch! I'm assuming the place to check up on your findings would be this comment?
Just wondering, is there a reason why Unofficial Block, Location and Model Fixes comes up twice in the load order for the complete overhaul?
ITS HERE BOYS HOIST THE COLOURS WE SAIL TO THE KINGDOM OF DAGGERFALL
Its cool to finally see a modlist that do not use dream, i love how vanilla looks and completely overhauling how it looks is not my cup of tea.
same. Daggerfall with high(ish) res graphics just looks.. odd
@@vaelxn exactly. Raising the resolution without changing meshes just creates spme kind of uncanny valley. Houses look the worst as their weird shapes are even more exposed when everything is in HD.
@@tomaszpawlik5091 thankfully those things get updated and completed by modders
Ok nerd
@@flagassault9715 don't cut yourself on all that edge buddy. I mean, how dare Tomasz share an opinion in the comments, right?
He's right though, D.R.E.A.M is good for those who enjoy it but many people (myself included) enjoy the oldschool feel of the original graphics so something like a slightly upscaled pack of the og assets looks and fits better to us. 🤷♂
I really wish you included "Vanilla Normal Mapped" in your Vanilla+ list. Its such a small change that adds soooo much graphically to a mostly vanilla list. I can't live without it
Yeah, I was umming and ahhing and whether it was "too far" for the retro look. I'll add it to the 'Optional Mods' section for those who want to add it though :)
Saving this for later. Unity version made the game incredibly accessible for me, made a dozen characters. Countless hours spent traveling and make their own adventures, these mods will likely increase those hours greatly. Thank you!
Same, I recently have been playing a High-Elf Spellsword, while I do like it, I think I'll probably start over, maybe as a full-mage build, the vanilla Spellsword class is severely lacking in Magicka (like 85 Magicka at the 4th level) 😆
I played Daggerfall back when it was released and I am overjoyed to play it again. I can't wait to try the Complete Overhaul you suggested.
Thanks for making this. A modern, modded Daggerfall is a dream game for me. Its vanilla jank is just a little too arcane for my tastes, so having some shining pillars of humanity mod the game into something smoother is wondrous to see. TES VI who?
Careful with mods that spawn enemies and npcs through scripts (such as Warm Ashes). If they have not been updated to the latest DFU then weird stuff may happen (queuing hundreds of spawns if you fast-travel, for instance).
Wow! Thanks for putting this together. I was looking through the forums trying to find mods for my future playthrough but you went ahead and did all the work for me! Looks like Vanilla Plus will do perfectly!
Great vid, thanks for showcasing some of my mods. If you don't like the look of the Hotkey Bar, you can press 0 to access the in game settings to customise how it looks and functions. You can even just turn off the UI for it and still retain the functionality.
Wow! Good shout, I somehow missed this.
Trying to test over 100 mods was a bad idea haha.
Thanks for all your hard work on the mods!
Great timing! I just got into the game myself a week ago and it's all very exciting!
I haven't kept up to date with DFU modding and am amazed at the variety of mods out there. Thanks for the video Jwlar it was very informative.
Thanks my man, I really appreciate all the effort you put into this!
Thank you!
@@Jwlar Is the gog version unity? And is there a quest marker mod? What about one like the one for Morrowind that makes your attacks always hit thus getting rid of the shitty-ass dice roll bullshit?
@@iso-didact789 The GOG version is buggy and loaded with out of date versions of mods. You can get the updated Unity version from here: github.com/Interkarma/daggerfall-unity/releases
I don't know if there are any combat mods like that, but you can always check the nexus: www.nexusmods.com/daggerfallunity?tab=popular+%28all+time%29
Hope this helps :)
I've always thought this era of CRPG was the absolute sweet spot of immersion and intuitive systems without having to limit your scope due to more modern problems like voice acting, frame rate, and dev time. Morrowind even more so, but that whole engine is held together with duct tape and twigs, so it's understandable that we never saw a big TC scene. Really hoping this pulls people in, this could be a modding platform we haven't seen the likes of since Half Life, but for first person RPGs.
Gonna give Daggerfall another shot too with some of this stuff installed. I played it as a kid and again when Unity came out, but the whole game always felt kind of generic and procedurally generated to me (even the handcrafted parts). Seems like people are addressing it, it's an amazing set of systems.
Funny you mention that daggerfall went unfinished cause dev time rushing issues :)
DFU hit version 1.0 last month. It's now feature complete!
Can't wait to try the vanilla+ pack. I'm currently deep into my first full playthrough of Morrowind but Daggerfall is next on my list for sure!
The world of daggerfall mod is absolutely insane considering the game’s size. I commend those working on the project
My modlist is basically just "vanilla+" with some additional mods like the travel options, convenient clock, warm ashes, uncannys always hit, and paperdoll all in one vanilla (which basically lets you use custom character portraits for additional immersion).
Gold, but digital. Like a NFT, but this has value to the world. Gouda bideo
It's an insult to any modding community to compare their work to NFTs.
@@fluttzkrieg4392 True enough
I think this is what the devs had in mind back in 96, but the technology wasn't there yet.
You are a god among men for actually compiling that google spredsheet rather than just talking about them.
Woo hoo! It's out! FINALLY! Thanks Jwlar! 😘
Thanks so much for doing all the work in compiling this. Its legitimatly making me get over the hurdle of learning the game.
More than any modern games have ever managed, looking at these mods made me actually say, out loud, "Wow". Having played the original Daggerfall, albeit through DOSbox, but having played the completely vanilla version, what people are doing to help realise what this game is so close to being is fanastic
I stumbled into the pre-oblivion elder scrolls side of yt while watching skyrim challenge vids and this video and your daggerfall retrospective is slowly convincing me to play this game lol great stuff!
Holy crap this is so useful! Just jumped back into Daggerfall, because I saw your retrospective a week ago. I played the shiiiiit out of DFU when they finally hit Beta and had a blast playing with a lot of the mods that have really evolved since then, like Roads of Daggerfall and Tedious Travel. This game never fails to blow me away with how huge it is, and I absolutely love seeing this community fill that gigantic game world
It's an interesting field exercise in aesthetics where changing one thing can undermine another, for example if you go too high in texture resolution upgrade you can make the underlying original mesh seem far too simple in comparison. It's subject to whoever volunteers time but you get into these conflicts of preference Ie. 4:3 versus Taffy-Vision style "spirited" debates.😅
It's tricky to update since Bethesda was still at a point where mixed media was employed since you have hand drawn pixel art, some CGI prerendered sprites, early mesh poly counts, and 3D/2D all combined to differing degrees of success. Not the same experience but Battlespire was a lot more refined in it's visual craft later on.
With the character sprites I think the only universal way to upgrade them for HD is making CGI models of everything to not only increase prerendering resolution but also add more keyframes at this point in time. The polygonal mesh replacements are looking pretty good imo but I've only seen a few high resolution 3D models around that could work for prerendered sprites.
I think the quality of life gameplay changes are a great addition, I wish a lot more retro games would embrace that since many have some really confusingly convoluted input systems. My only complaint is how they mostly seem to be all HD-only so they can't match the retro graphics they overlay, must be a way to employ the old HUD graphics into the new form.
If you ever modded Skyrim, you probably know about STEP. The work you have done here is just how i initially created STEP in 2011! Great job! I'm going for the Vanilla+ for the time being ;)
Noticed a small mistake in the spreadsheet. Animator Framework is only a dependency for 3D enemies. Faithful 3D animals is a standalone mod.
Good catch, I'll update it :)
I've installed Daggerfall vanilla first and played some dungeons before messing with mods, because I never played this game (the only ES game I played was Oblivion).
Although junky, I think it's pretty charming, with the soundtrack changing accordingly, personaly I love the tavern theme.
Then I installed DFU and got a jump in quality of life features from the go. I opened your spreadsheet and started there, messing with load orders, downloading other mods I found on Nexus, checking this, changing that, completely astonished how a 9kb mod file can change SO MUCH in a game like this.
I'm completely hooked. Didn't had this much fun with videogames in years, thank you! I'm subscribed to your channel now and I'll watch everything in gratitude for your hard work, and because I'm loving your content.
At I thought this would be "Here's Mod 1, 2, 3"
Turns out it's a compiled mod links for different stuff and scenario
Thank you for the effort, help me tons!!!
Daggerfall has the foundation to be the greatest rpg ever made, all it needs is some more content, some models, and gameplay system depth.
This is awesome. I play plenty of modded NV and fallout 3 but I have countless hours into them. I just decided to jump into daggerfall for the first time ever so I dont even know where to start for mods. I'm going to try vanilla plus that really looks perfect for my intro
As a new player this video and your spreadsheet have been extremely helpful. Just wanted to comment that Wilderness NPCs was continually respawning new enemies while I was in dungeons making it impossible to rest.
You know what I wanna see? Daggerim. Where the entirety of Skyrim has been recreated in Daggerfall
Morrowind in Daggerfall would be cool too.
it would be nice if you did a Daggerfalls beginners guide, all the ones i found are outdated or just explain how to make the most meta type of character, but none of them explain in more detail things like what each skill does and how much each attribute influence a stat and so on, and maybe also explain the magic crafting in the game cause i still dont know what the numbers mean
Thanks for the idea! I'll keep it in mind :)
@@Jwlar yeah, i've been playing daggerfall since yesterday, and there is a lot of it i still dont understand, i know its supposed to be a manual to read, but hey, even the manual is wrong about, sometimes, like how the weapon skills work, not increasing damage, so clarifying stuff like that would be really great.
@@Malhonn Exactly... for the number of channels out there that talk about Daggerfall, it's surprising to find how LITTLE they explain the mechanics in the game at all
In regards to your "Normal Morrowind Textures" statement: I think that's very fair. Many of the modding projects are high fidelity, but push it outside of intended art style. There is a compromise though, that I have found to be as Vanilla plus as possible. There is an AI upscale mod that take the original textures and uses AI to make them higher resolution. I use it in all of my installs of Morrowind, and I'd recommend you to give it a try if you are a purist, like me, when it comes to that game!
You've inspired this MorrowBoomer (can i be a morrowboomer at 27?) to try Daggerfall! I've decided for a Vanilla+ style as a newbie, as it seems the best way to want me to keep coming back to the game. Thanks for making a mod list too! :)
I'm glad my video inspired you! And I'm glad my mod list helps 😊💜
Thanks! Putting all of this together served as a template for a busy guy like me to try and start this game. I followed your exact load order, minus 1 or 2 nonessentials. Unfortunately at the time of writing(5/6/23) the following mods act up-
Mostly Magic
Distant Terrain
Wilderness NPCs
I would love to see an updated video sometime, keep it up!
Thank you!
Yeah, it’s a shame that some of the mods don’t get updated very regularly. I plan to make an updated video once the final stable version of DFU is released :)
That way mods will have time to be updated without worrying about a new DFU version possibly breaking them again.
There is something pleasing about the spites mixed with the 3D models. Particularly 12:42 gives of a liminal feeling.
I do love me some spreadsheets. Nice work on it btw, you've earned a sub.
Jeez the spreadsheet is awesome. You need to be compensated forever for that.
Oh man, thankyou so much for making this. I tried modding daggerfall myself but as someone who started on skyrim, what I should and shouldn't use was a little confusing. Excited to try this out
Thinking about getting into this game again. Great timing on the video
Hell yeah, just watch your Daggerfall video hours ago and wonder what to install for first playthrough
Liked, subbed commenting because of the great work you compiled. This is akin to the great works of art that we still cherish today from ancient times... Truly a masterpiece!
*tips elegantly feathered hat*
Thank you so much!
Im usually pretty cold about mods and prefer vanilla experience in the most of the games... But ancient Daggerfall on Unitiy kinda asks himself "MOD ME AS MUCH AS YOU CAN"
Ah, this is what I wanted. Thank you!
Just because of the work on making the spreadsheet you deserve a like, man
Thanks for answering our questions with this video AND the google doc, I can't wait to experience another classic RPG. :)
I'd been planning on getting back into playing Daggerfall and this is perfect, thank you!
I completely agree about maintaining the retro visuals. While I do appreciate mods that make games look pretty... I personally enjoy the stylized aesthetics of older games like Arena, Daggerfall, and Morrowind. It also saves time when modding. For instance when building a mod list for Morrowind, I used to spend multiple days or a week setting up a mod list, Trying to make the game look as pretty as possible. but more recently I've gotten into the habit of just embracing the vanilla visuals, (maybe some light weight things like animations, character models, etc.) and spending my time instating mods that overhaul gameplay or adds new quests instead, it saves a ton of time.
it's even worse in a few cases, like the Baldur's Gate "enhanced" edition where the developers think they can dictate how we like the graphics in the game, classic menus/interface gone, and they put Bilinear Filtering on top of everything, making everything blurry, including the menus.... yuck
Despite being a huge TES fan, I have to admit that I've never even considered playing Daggerfall before, because it's just too old for my taste. However, this might change it!
Edit: Technically, it's not too old for me to enjoy, since I love games which are even older. I guess dated is a better word.
It's not really even that dated either. It just trusts you to keep track of more information than most games do. Your loss, really, not the game's. The only aspect I would accept as truly flawed is the labyrinthine level design in the dungeons. Though even then one can argue it adds to the sense of unease and adventure.
@@skyrat6822 you clearly havent played might and magic 1 and 2.... /j
@@shekelboob Shut up meefbeef go back to being inactive in Paleo Pathfinders discord
Whoa, making the minimap a magical object is a cool idea
You've done a fantastic job here! Favorite Daggerfall youtuber by far!
I hope you come back to daggerfall maybe in a year for updates. But for now, sit back rest well with a job very well done!
Hearing someone describe sprite-based NPCs as ‘paper Mario characters’ is so wince-inducing.
im sorry i only watched 30 seconds of your video but i thank you so much for the spreadsheet since i find reading easier than watching a video
Thank you for the video! Definitely helped me see some of the mods I was curious about in action and add them ontop of the GOG Cut version I'm just started playing. I do wish there was some sort of inventory overhaul to make it a little more like later titles, maybe someday.
will def use this list for my first playthrough all the content and additional stuff that blows later games out of the water drew me in.
ive seen some interesting testing footage that shows daggerfall unity being mutliplayer!
You Sir, are a Gentleman and a Scholar. Thank you very much!
Complete Overhaul (retro) is how I play the Doom engine Games as well. It just feels weird having the smooth painted Sprites without the Crisp
I remember watching update videos on DEU long time ago and thinking wow it would be amazing if it will be finished. And here we are. I personally tried playing UESP version of daggerfall and while I loved the idea of the fantasy life simulator, it was just feeling really old. Now I can't wait to play your build and enjoy this gem of a game
I had the original Daggerfall when it came out a million years ago. Over the years I have wanted to play it again as it was a fav of mine back in the day. Then I heard I could get a improved, free version that was very moddable on GOG. I downloaded immediately. I wondered if it would still be fun after all those years. I spent a while making a custom character and started my journey. I immediately noticed the graphics were much better than I expected. I didn't save immediately. I made my way through the dungeon and noticed my health was very low so I saved. I died over and over because I was used to how easy games are now and my save was destroyed because I didn't save immediately. If you read this "SAVE IMMEDIATELY!!!" This game is still hella fun and with the mods and improved graphics, it's better than ever. As you may can tell, I am not a purist. Bring on the higher res and improved graphics all day! I am so glad that this happened. It is very awesome but in a old-school way. I hope the modding community takes this into the stratosphere. Thanks to those that made this possible... for FREE!!! ⚔️
Thanks for your daggefall vids! Gonna be giving the game a try soon.
But I have a note for your modlists. You clearly recommend travel option, but it "conflicts" with power struggle in a way. The constant conflicts make you stop during your travels OFTEN.
If we got 3d models for everything we'd basically have a completely remastered Daggerfall.
I'm stunned how a broomstick in this game has 3D but not a tree.
@@robertagren9360 brooms are easy to 3d model unlike a tree. 3d models trees takes alot of power. Kinda obvious why.
Thanks for this, friend. I am really enjoying my first morrowind playthrough and will use this once I play Daggerfall.
This is a very useful list, I'll be installing most of these the next time I play Daggerfall.
First the analysis video and now this - you win; I'll go ahead and play this game then.
Have you seen or heard about the multiplayer mod? It's amazing- I was playing with my friend a few days ago. It has a few issues, like enemies, synching up. But in-time it could be the Daggerfall MMO i've always dreamed of.
First time player of Daggerfall, I think I'm going to go against advice and go for the Complete Overhaul; or at least pick and choose a few mods from that selection. I'm a huge fan of Skyrim's Frostfall and survival mods, so those are certainly going in at least.
Thanks for the vid! I got started with some of these but definitely am going to grab quite a few from you "vanilla plus" list.
I'm surprised there is no mention of Physical Combat And Armor Overhaul along with Meaner Monsters (both mods are designed to go together). This is a great combat overhaul that makes skills more meaningful and adjusts combat in a satisfying way. I would also recommend limit gold, that limits the money shops have when buying your stuff and adds an economy to the game. I have it set so most shops only have about 1000 gold max but you can invest gold into the shops to increase it (its also not the default setting I turned it way down). These would be for complete overhaul games obviously :)
Now it needs a multiplayer mod and it will be the perfect game.
I saw a beta test video of a multiplayer from about a year ago, they were able to sync the player models but enemies weren’t able to sync (the were on different places on the players screens) I hope it’s able to be done eventually, but it would probably be incredibly difficult
Perfect timing I been wanting to get into daggerfall tried out the steam version was a bit clunky so I got the unity and some pretty good mods but this is exactly what I needed to really get a good experience I don’t have much time on my hands so I’m just gunna install all the mods I want and play the game.
Birds of daggerfall, 3D trees, and Airship, Interesting Terrain/ Interesting Eroded terrain mods are cool too.
I bought this game on sale off a wim but this video made me exited to play, thanks for the cool info
I’m glad I installed my 3d enemies mod incorrectly cause now only certain enemies are actually 3d
So while most enemies turn into a loot pile, skeletons and zombies just go “eugh” and ragdoll and it’s hilarious
Absolutely based, amazing editing and work my man. 10/10 video
Are you eventually gonna do one with Morrowind and Oblivion? I would love to see that as well
Thank you very much for this! The work you put into the spreadsheet and the video is immensely helpful. The hard part for me though is playing this on a gamepad with the Aya Neo Pro 2021
Thanks for taking the time to do this for us mate
Would it be possible to create a wabbajack modlist for these? It would be helpful for people like me who do not have the time (or patience) to sitdown and install and configure large modlists.
Someone can give it a shot, I'm not very techy, and just reading the tutorial looks like it would give me a lot of issues, but anyone else can give it a shot if they like :)
40 seconds in, you catalogue a spreadsheet with all the mods? Liked and subscribed!
Thank you! I hope it helps 😊
Even more excited to try this game now!
I'd like to see someone make a mod turning DFU into a more modern Heroes of Might & Magic or making this multiplayer, that'd be sick as hell.
Since it's running off of Unity, I wouldn't be surprised if it was easier than expected
@@MarrsJ Probs'd be easier to accomplish than the NV multiplayer they've got going rn
awesome ive just downloaded the game for the first time i think i will play it as it launched then mod it as its my first time ever playing this game
Hey thanks for the amazing docs and video! Made me finally properly driven to play Daggerfall properly! One question! I am liking the idea of vanilla+ modset but with the retro aesthetic (i dont mind 3d buildings and atmospheric enhancements like better lighting and shadows etc. but id like to have the 2d enemiers, npcs etc. crisp pixel style), any suggestions for altering the vanilla + modlist?
partially asking because i want to use the khajiit mod and have it not clash with other npcs 😅
Vanilla+ is exactly what I was looking for
Good video. I love Daggerfall but my main problem with it is the huge labyrinthine dungeons, hoping for more mods addressing this issue.
You can use the Smaller Dungeon setting hidden in the Settings.ini (forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?t=1689)
It limits the size of the dungeons, making them much more fun imo. (They are still maze-like though)
A modder is slowly going through the process of manually creating each dungeon to be more lifelike - www.nexusmods.com/daggerfallunity/mods/320
But it only has the one dungeon at the moment, it looks very promising though.
Dude thank you these modlists are a god send!
You're a legend to our community .
13:10 there is something so cursed about seeing a 3D-modeled Centaur fighting a 2D sprite
I wish this video had more details, not complaining and no offense. It's a great video. I just came with so many questions and I left with the same amount, more or less. Technical questions like how to download and install and activate/deactivate the mods. Also compatibility while running multiple mods at once etc. Do all the mods u listed work when downloaded and ran at the same time? What's the ultimate Daggerfall experience including multiple compatible mods ran at the same time? Would we have to uncheck certain boxes? Etc etc
All this game needs is a full pixely 3d replacement for all the rotating, always-facing-you billboard assets.
do any other games pull this style off?
Absolutely fantastic video. Thank you so much for making this!!
Yea, I think once I'm done with my Morrowind playthrough it might be time to plunge into Daggerfall for the first time.
This is awesome, I really appreciate all the time you took to make these!
Thank you so much! Gotta breathe some life into my favourite game once more. I think i have like 3 different versions installs across my hard drives. lol
Thanks for this. After your initial Daggerfall retrospective video I went out and downloaded DFU and tried one of the mod collections on Nexus...and I'm not entirely sure it worked out very well. On top of that the game seemed rather difficult to break into at the start and I ended up dropping the game. Hopefully trying the Vanilla+ build with maybe some of the smaller graphics stuff tossed in will help me finally get my foot in the door for Daggerfall, the only main line Elder Scrolls I haven't been able to get into.
Daggerfall has a lot of newbie pitfalls. The awful tutoiral being a big part of the problem. The game works best if you just make a bunch of characters, because the first one will be flawed unless you follow some min/max guide.
For first timers I would reccommend just picking the Ranger or Spellsword class. Fight your way out of the dungeon, travel to Gothway Garden and join either the Fighters Guild or Mages guild shop for some better gear and then start doing some quests for the guild you joined.
It can be difficult for sure - it took me 2-3 character until I found one that suited my play style. Use the starting dungeon as a means of testing whether you like your current character build and then leave if you’re happy with it.
Join a guild/temple of your choosing and try a few of the easier looking quests to get some money - from there, the world is your oyster.
Some good end goals could be to max rank in a few guilds, finish the main quest, or aim to be able to buy a house.
Or you can just enjoy dabbling with a few quests and grave robbing. You don’t really have to aim for any kind of goal, and that’s one of my favourite things - it’s nice sometimes just to choose a character build and enjoy the world for an hour or two and call it quits there.
Kind of like a Rogue-like game, which I feel Daggerfall is closer too than a longer game like Morrowind for example.
This makes me want to actually try daggerfall