Amazon MILWAUKEE Tools FAKE or THE SAME? Half Price!
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2023
- THIS TOOL ON AMAZON: amzn.to/3M6usXf
(Now only $102)
$107 on Amazon vs $200 at Home Depot for this grinder. Let's compare and see if there are any noticeable differences.
* Also I misread the scale in the video. the weight difference was only .2oz not 2oz.
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They counterfeited it so well, they built an authentic unit. LOL.
Half of them are repaired returns
If you don't mind buying stolen product it is alright
@@jordanalexander615this
@@wpintofg, they’re not stolen in most cases, they’re what’s called gray market.
@@mjstutter12 I could not understand what you typed there sorry
The fake one is so good it's made completely of genuine Milwaukee parts.
You're an idiot! Hahaha they are cheap because they are stolen!!! Both are legit Milwaukee tools ,
So both are fake😂😂😂
And it came from Home Depot via a fast moving shopping cart.
That was a .2oz difference, not a 2oz difference. That's not too surprising. It's 100% genuine, fakes are not this good. Whether it's stolen or not, hard to say, easily could be one that walked out of a home depot and onto Amazon.
If the tool is sold by an Amazon affiliate seller, and the price is lower than msrp... IT IS STOLEN.
@@z.bongerman1062 It's not even a Milwaukee affiliate , there are none on Amazon. I would never buy a tool I depend on from Amazon especially batteries.
yeah. Percentage-wise was almost no difference. No reason that they would be exactly the same down to 1/10 of an ounce. He would see at least this much variance among the units sitting on the HD shelves!
A California special?
It's serialized - would be easy to blacklist on the server. I thought he said he successfully activated the Amazon one. Therefore, doubt it was stolen.@@z.bongerman1062
weight difference is in the casting of the aluminum heads, no two castings will weigh perfectly the same, there is potentially hidden air pockets in the cast and slight differences from cleanup.
Also subtle differences in grease and variances in the wiring.
Yeah weight difference is a big deal with a grinder. Cheap one will have weaker body and grinding head.
Maybe removal of material to achieve balance during high rpm?
Definitely a "off the truck" discount. I worked at homedepot there was a nationwide ring of criminals stealing from different HD. It was so big they had a warehouse of stolen goods from box stores.
and the main office in Ontario Canada had a full 53' trailer full of stuff stolen, and multiple repair depots across Canada have been hit multiple times...
Like everyone said- it’s stole so buying it is ‘fueling’ the criminals.
I got some DeWalt 9 amp batteries for 85 dollar a piece. They are real the guy just sold them to me for only 10 dollars more than he paid as a favor. But he had to buy around 500 to get them at that price.
that is true for all stores selling tools
Buy local. Steal corporate.
If i may add a little insight. I'm a reseller. So very familiar with Amazon, e-bay etc. Chances are the seller you bought that milwaukee from was legit. Milwaukee often does closeouts and replace old lines etc so they liquidate old stock. People like me buy them up and resell them. We typically sell for half of retail due to the fact that you do NOT get a warranty. The problems come in with deceptive resellers. Sometimes they don't test or verify the purchase and resell it wrong. I have sold broken tools, but I always disclose that in the listing. So you got a legit product but it may have just been old stock and/or closeouts. Always check a sellers reviews before buying.
@@hankhill4431😂😂😂
@@hankhill4431 Tree Fitty
Dont lie we know you drive crackheads around in sprinter vans to steal your tools.
Milwaukee is not discontinuing enough items for that to be a way for resellers to buy.
Plenty of sales to get tools cheap & stock up on, and resell to people who don't research.
No person who steals wants to give out their information to a company for tracking, and they sell it low locally. They are the ads with pictures taken in their vehicle 😂
There are also authorized sellers who will sell to family/friends to increase their sales numbers. The only thing they can't do is advertise lower prices, but they can sell for whatever.
Sorry, I have no idea what any of this meant.
@@adambomb7331
The difference was only ~.2 ounces, not ~2 ounces. That is very minuet, like a fifth of a AA battery. I have gotten all my tools on Amazon besides a drill I needed same day and never had a problem with the Amazon tools. I actually did kill the home depot drill, so I bought one from Amazon the next time.
That is why you make the big bucks😅
Yeah I was saying the same thing as Robert Briggs, it’s only 0.2 of an ounce. It’s probably just a little more grease in the gears of the one from HD. It’s exactly the same tool and same quality. Milwaukee is what I use too. Love em.
Did you warranty it?
.2 oz could literally be humidity/moisture differences in the the cardboard boxes.
different amounts of grease in the head unit could account for the weight
Both tools probably came from Home Depot given the brazen way people are walking out of Home Depot with tools nowadays.
DING DING DING! this is exactly what it is. Haven’t come across any fake tools on Amazon but knowing Home Depot’s cost tells me there is only one way an Amazon seller is able to sell it for half price. It’s not bulk discounts - pretty sure hd has the best price available. Supporting the Amazon thieves(sellers) only helps HD justify the constant increase in prices we have seen over the last couple years. This is the story for tools but be weary of batteries on eBay and Amazon- they are getting really good with the fakes - copying the packaging and everything to look like they would in a retail store. On ebay at least you can tell a good seller is typically selling a bunch of tools and batteries most without retail packaging because they are just breaking up combo kits and selling the parts separate. I personally stay away from Amazon because the risk of something sketchy going on is real high and you don’t usually figure it out until after the Amazon return period has ended and your battery stops working.
That's it. People can't really do 2+2 count... It is authentic since it was stolen from depot and now it is being sold on Amazon
STOLEN STOLEN STOLEN.......The End. The only clowns that believe it's "bulk", are people that have ZERO clue how the real world operates....it's stolen shit, period, Lol.
my home depot isn't in a high crime area...all battery power tools are locked in a cage, with a cable going through all of them holding them in place. When you ask a sales associate to get one for you, they take it to the register. Been like this for over a year at least. That makes it kind of hard to walk off with it
@@dustinroberson1865 Most Home Depots aren't unicorns like yours.
The .2 oz difference is probably the anti theft tag in the home Depot unit that needs to be deactivated when you leave the store
Or the battery was only half charged and the heavier one had a full battery? 😅
@@51-FSI'm sorry, what?
@zin6749 if you have 2 cups of water and one is half full. Weigh them and I net the one that full will be haver
@@51-FSthere’s no batteries in both of them
@@51-FS Lithium batteries are the same, charged or empty. And as the box says, its tool only, they don't have batteries in the box.
Would be interesting to reach out to Milwaukee Tools and see if the serial number really is legit. Since they are serialized, they should know when they were made and where it is “supposed” to be.
I'm sure Milwaukee doesn't mind. Amazon has to be one of their largest distribution channels so there's no way Milwaukee doesn't know what's going on here. Do you think they will cut off the "dishonest" distributor? No, because they're driving a lot of sales.
@@RedShiftedDollar It all depends on where that 'dishonest dealer' acquired their products...Like another poster said, there are national theft rings operating all over the place that just walk out of HDs with these tools by the shopping cart full.
And, believe me, Milwaukee definitely does mind if those get resold to unsuspecting buyers - because every time they have to decline a warranty repair because it's a stolen tool not purchased at an authorized outlet, that's one more upset customer who's going to spread bad reviews.
It could be the fatory in china there are Salling on the side. It could be a copy... And all copys have the same number
I'LL save you the trouble I have had a few amazon milwaukee tools both repaired and replaced under warranty by milwaukee with no problems.
Ya'll act like Milwaukee couldn't easily buy some off amazon themselves and check numbers. If it was an issue they'd crack down on it, but clearly it is not. I've bought and warrantied several Milwaukee tools from Amazon with zero issues.@@DaveC_TN
It is likely a grey market tool purchased in China in bulk and shipped to a distributor in the US. They just bypass Milwaukee and Home Depot profit margins and warranty support. The differences in serial # fonts could be explained because Milwaukee could use multiple factories to produce the product.
People forget there's manufacturers vs vendors/distributors. You can get them much cheaper direct vs a chain like HD/Amazon with the strict MAP (Minimal Advertised Price) in place.
Yes that was my thoughts. I have encountered similar things a few times like this. That is the same product.
multiple lines, probably have older and newer burners for the serial numbering. Same deal at the factory I work at. Same product can be made on a few lines, but the daylot code might have a slightly different font on the newer lines vs the older ones due to different machines stamping, embossing, or burning the text.
Milwaukee owns their Chinese factories, so no selling "out the back door" occurs. Definitely a possibility it is stolen merch, as I work Hardware at a Home Depot, and they walk out the door in droves. It may also be a factory return and sold off the pallet by Milwaukee from store returns.
This is the correct answer
The sales on Home Depot’s website are always better than in the store. Especially the combos.
Bingo.
Why is that? Please specify. Thx
Different sku’s for online combo’s. Seen it multiple times. Most recently with Black Friday 23. On the 1/2 In impact.
@paulharsh78 I pulled the trigger this holiday season on the $600 combo set. Had some trouble with the order but after jumping through hoops I finally got a Home Depot rep that made it right and ended up paying around $540 after tax. One hell of a deal. Fuel M18 Hammer Drill, Fuel M18 Impact, Fuel M18 Multi tool, Fuel M18 Jigsaw, Fuel M18 Compact Router, M18 Flashlight, 3 and 6 amp high output batteries and a charger (standard charger not rapid 😭).
One of the dirty little secrets in international trade is that products are priced differently depending on regions and what the market will bear. So exactly the same Milwaukee sold in Slobsylvania might be significantly cheaper than in the USA. "Gray market" importers often divert product into other regions and some manufacturers aggressively protect their localized higher-profit-margin markets. For instance, a Kubota in New Zealand through official channels is one price and the same Kubota imported on the gray market is quite a bit cheaper--but when you go for repair parts and don't have the right serial number, the local dealer won't even sell em to you. The USA is a moderately protected and definitely customer-ignorant market in many ways so some items get that super-premium profit mark-up.
Except the European Milwaukee tools have different part numbers. The Amazon tools were most likely acquired from a Home Depot returns pallet. The Mom and pop tool shops do the same thing. They buy a pallet of tools for 25% of the cost and sell them for 50% of the cost.
@@user-pn5yl5ci3m different part numbers and Milwaukee tools are significantly more expensive in Europe. A similar angle grinder model ist around 260 US$ on Amazon Germany.
@@user-pn5yl5ci3m that grinder looked very neatly packed and brand new. I think they would not get many returns in that condition.
Mercedes/Benz was running into that issue, Grey market cars were showing up at the U.S. dealerships for warranty work. Mercedes put out a letter to the U.S. dealers, stating that they are our cars built by Mercedes, fix them and get reimbursed by me/be.
Yeah i can buy the same goods from european markets for half the price and no taxes.
Most “american” companies build shit over seas then sell it to us at a huge markup. I have no issue running them out of business by buying overseas
Other than the different font of the letters and numbers of the serial number and the weight, the only other difference that I noticed was that the Amazon packaging was neater.
It looked like the Home Depot packaging had been removed before and then shoved back into the box. If both items were manufactured and packaged at the same factory, one would expect the packaging to be identical as well.
If they are hand packed, then it's a person to person difference. One shift might put it in differently. I used to hand pack smoke alarms for a company (weird, I know) and everyone did it differently but the way I did it didn't fold the instructions at all. Management wanted it one way, workers did it another way, I found an efficient way to do it and they allowed it since it didn't ruin the instructions as well as making it so you can "self audit" your box before closing it.
Of course it is authentic. They were stolen from depot direct to amazon
Ya - some YTer did a "Tool review" then returned it. Next guy after Chris might notice it and say "aha"!😂😂
More likely gray market. This kind of authorized seller stuff has been used for stereo equipment, radios, and other things and they might be made at a different plant, but are pretty much identical.
You can make em work but you can’t make em do a good job lol
Thank you for doing this video. I have often thought about the differences.
Amazon definitely allows resellers to sell fakes. I bought a fake Condor hat and tried posting it in the review. Amazon removed my post and sent me an email threatening me. My review had pictures showing the difference between real and fake. I had even contacted Condor and they confirmed that they never made a hat with that print. I have 3 real hats to compare it to. The tags on the new hat were different, the logos in the sown in tag were different, the material was different, obvious and poorly done fake. Amazon didn’t care they wouldn’t even let me post that review warning others.
I bought fake razor blades on Amazon and tried to leave a review stating that they were, and even said I didn't know if the seller was aware it.
They sent me a nasty note of violation of review guidelines. I don't leave reviews anymore.
Anti-1st amendment. 😂
Jeff Bezzos is a communist. Its why he never paid taxes for so long.
eBay is liberal with counterfeit sellers also from my experience.
If it works, then who gives a shit?
@@shannonelliott6116 If it was stolen from you, you would.
I'm in the construction field and there is always someone driving around the job site trying to hawk tools that are from warehouse break-ins or walked out Home Depot products. Media-based markets are no different.
I’ve grabbed quite a few fuel tools off Amazon including the grinder shown and so far so good. Jigsaw, 3/8” & 1/4” ratchets, 1/2” hammer drill, vacuum, trim router, couple high output batteries, jobsite blower.. All have done incredibly well and for part time shop use I doubt I’ll ever need the warranty anyway
They are stolen
@@wpintofg nobody can prove that they are. You're just assuming that. Even if they are then who fuckin cares? The buyer didn't steal them, the reseller did. It's not on the buyer for being deceived. It's on the reseller. Sounds like a win-win to me for getting a half priced, authentic tool. 🤷♂.
Different price since they are meant for different markets, countries, and turns up another place.
Commonly known as grey market.
Internet makes this convenient, im sure.
Different price, same product.
So if one would like to support middle men, taxes, employees and so on. Buy the expensive one.
@@Viper3870750 I am not assuming. I work buying this tool to resell. I know the prices and the margins. You don't half of the s... Your talking. And ofc you are just thinking on what's good for tou now. At the end of the day everyone pays more for the same product and less taxes will go to the services YOU and everyone else uses. You just a d... F...
@@R.Stridstrom I have long stopped buying tools from Home Despot. Their mark up is outrageous. My local tool shop is usually able to give me a better deal or throw in accessories like a battery or blades etc and I help the little guy.
The reason that sticker, which is a FNSKU label,was placed over the UPC is because Amazon requires the upc to be covered. That sticker is how they keep track of inventory for FBA sellers.
Very interesting. I have worked a lot in a country in Asia, and before they had a crackdown on non-licensed clothes from brands like Polo, Nike, Adidas etc. it was easy to buy clothes on some markets that was made on the same production lines as the originals, with same materials, buttons etc. and sold for a fraction of the price of the real clothes.
It was joked about by the sellers, saying it was made outside of licensing and on "overtime" for workers. Guess it was true, same with items in this video?
I got on 1 of those Chinese sites like wish or ali baba etc..ordered my wife dome underwear that was generic but still usable underwear..we got a the 6 pairs in mail a couple weeks later and it was all Victoria's secret directly from China.. had logos and all..went to store at the mall and compared them..identical stitching etc..we bought a couple dozen more and resold em on marketplace for a significant profit being we were paying about 35 cents a pair.
A lot of those clothes have hidden defects that make them slightly out of spec.
I know I bought 10 pairs of " mismanufactured" lucky jeans for $8.00 / pr.
The difference between off the shelf and mine was the thread was a slightly different color.
The reason the Amazon one is so much cheaper is that it was likely stolen. They can sell it for half price because aside from the Amazon fees, it is all profit.
BS, I just purchased one from Home Depot for 134.00 without the battery.
@@JazzJay80 Of course you'll get them on sale from time to time. But half price, all day every day from a non-authorized seller and you think it's legit?
@@EvadizationThe Amazon seller probably bought overstock that came from an authorized retailer.. Businesses go out of business every day..
@@MarkLadaThey are stolen. Tool shops that sell Milwaukee are few and far between and they don’t close down everyday like you suggest.
@mccalejk2 I don't think they are hot honestly.. Milwaukee would be all over Amazon to shut it down if they weren't coming from a legit source.. If they were just selling a few on ebay they could possibly be hot, but they are selling hundreds of them each month on Amazon.. They can't steal that many consistently.. Milwaukee doesn't sell factory direct to retailers.. There are wholesalers who buy from the factory, and they sell to distributors who sell to retailers.. There's a whole chain of business between the factory and the consumers.. That's why everything is getting so expensive.. Too many people taking a cut of the profits for doing nothing.. It's those businesses who are going under and getting liquidated.. Resellers are buying their inventory and selling it on Amazon and eBay.. Milwaukee can't really do anything to stop that.. If they could they would have already stopped it..
The reason Im sure for the price difference is the amazon seller probably sells directly from the Is warehouse. Buying tools from a store is the same as buying a car from a dealership, there is always a middle man and they charge you much more then warehouse to you.
there is still a warranty when purchased from "non authorized sellers" at least in some cases. I have a impact wrench that just came back from being repaired under warranty that was purchased off ebay new. they went of the manufacture date and did not require a receipt.
Interesting. Love your channels. Keep up the great work.
its probably just stolen tools that are resold
A LOT of tools coming from resellers buying skids of returns
I bet it would even be higher in a tool truck. I know a few years ago I priced a Milwaukee tool on a Cornwell truck and he was almost $200.00 higher than what home depot sold for. I understand they have to have some markup but that's a little much in my opinion. As far as your tool goes, I'm sure the quality is the same. Great video! Thanks for all you do.
Correct mak tools is DeWalt
Of course in the Amazon is going to be much cheaper. They are all stolen products d... ass
I understand they need to mark it up but I don’t understand why anyone would buy it from them.
@@CarlYota weekly payments availability on truck account is the answer
Mac told me , dewalt sold thru Mac are better ..but who knows .
As far as the serial numbers being slightly different, even the Milwaukee tools I have are slightly different. There are so many variables, like humidity, amount of ink on the stamp head, how old was the stamp head, was the sticker or tool still moving when it was stamped, and so on.
Amazon sellers buy skids and pallets of damaged fright, returned items ect from trucking companies and liquidators and somtimes even stolen merchandise.
The manufacturing plant that Milwaukee paid to produce the tools wants to run 24/7, but Milwaukee didn't pay to run 24/7 production, so they could keep the tool at higher price in stores. In turn the Chinese manufacturer is using the molds provided by Milwaukee and making their own to sell to make more profit. When outsourcing stuff like this can be common, this is why companies have to be very careful when outsourcing to any China-based companies.
I had a Milwaukee m12 ratchet that I bought on eBay warranty repaired by Milwaukee a few years ago w/o issue. Just had to provide proof of purchase and serial #.
Interesting. Good to know!
107 is a steal for one of those. Best deals I’ve found are buying kits with a free tool and then returning the free tool if I don’t want it. Can get deals close to half off that way
Thanks for posting this just showed up in my feed. I just recently did the same thing, I needed the Milwaukee cut off tool for a job I was doing at home. I noticed a pretty big price difference between Ace and Home Depot vs Amazon. I went with the Amazon everything was correct and worked great. I too wondered about the price point difference. I did receive my tool the next day which tells me it's already stocked at an Amazon location.
Who said you don't get warranty when purchased from Amazon?? I messed up my 3/4 impact before warranty was up. I brought it to my local tool store that does Milwaukee warranty and I had to print them off the receipt (from Amazon) anyways after 3 weeks they called and said it can't be fixed and sent me a brand new replacement.
This is the detective work I’m here for!
Did wifey put on a trench coat to look like a detective or is that just her coat?
Love this video! i just bought a metal cutting circular saw the other day from amazon. I did not know about this!!!
Home depot is just ripping everyone off man. All there is to it. I bought the cordless Milwaukee wet/dry vac (the box shaped one) for $99 regular price on a Sunday 1 hour before closing. I went in the next day, walked by the vacuums and they had replaced the price tag with one for $150. Absolutely ridiculous there was a $50 markup, and I got it just 1 hour before their system pushed it through. Got lucky that day. Looking at it now, it's priced back down to it's original $99 for Black Friday sales. They jacked the price of everything a couple months ago, so they can charge the regular pricing they are used to for their holiday deals. Classic "Wal-Mart RollBack" tactic.
Again, great video! Based on your info, I am confident they are both legitimate tools and think you nailed it when you mentioned "maybe it fell off the back of a truck". If you dig into the seller's info on the jungle site, it is a house in Los Angeles. But this person/company sells A LOT of Milwaukee and Dewalt tools. Could they be a rep?
^ They are distributors who aren't trying to Match the profit from HD/Amazon. They get them direct from the source and as long as they sell cheaper than the Major chains they will continue to make money. Amazon and other chains have to obey MAP = (Minimal Advertised Price) to make it equal to all vendors. Some get 30% off some get 50-60% or more. But the listed price must remain the same. Hence why you'll see chains post *See Price in Cart*
Oh good one Chris 👍🏼! This vid is going to get a hole lata views. I'll come back later and read the comments cuz I'm interested in what the professional viewer's are gonna input 😂
I purchased a while back a Dewalt drill kit came with a hammer drill and a driver drill with the batteries and the charger $359 it was brand new right in the box. I have the warranty with it. If I would’ve purchased the parts separately, it would’ve costed more but they do make fake knock offs of certain tools, but these ones were genuine.
I own both Amazon, Home Depot and Tool Truck versions, they all seem the same and most have been trouble free. 3/8 extended reach had a board go bad inside bought on the tool truck. He sent it in for repair for me, no charge.
It's not 2 Oz. , it's .02oz which is 2/100 of 1 Oz. which is very minimal, a little more grease in one than the other could make up that tiny fraction. I've bought quite a few milwaukee tools from Amazon over last 4 or 5 years and never had a problem with any of them so far. I have bought 2 refurbished tools from Acme and both of them were badly repaired and missing all the accessories, so no more of those for me from acme.
Thought it looked like .2, not .02, but, hey , I am just watching, and scrolling.
Its real. One was bought at Home Depot, the other was stolen at a home depot and sold on Amazon 🤙🏼
I bought the M18 deep cut bandsaw on Amazon for a steal and the tool was a complete dud, tried everything but it wouldn't do a thing. However, i returned it and got another from the same seller out of curiosity and the replacement one still runs like a champ.
Love this kinda thing, good info to have thanks Chris
If you’re looking to obscure the serial numbers, you should also cover the QR code.
I say they are the same. As for pricing, I do not know how The Home Depot ever sells any of their outrageous priced tool batteries.
They sell them to people that are paranoid of the Internet and/or can't do research on how to look for sales
Home Depot has a special going on right now. Buy 2 batteries and a charger for $199 and get a free tool. Picked up one of them angle grinders and so far it works great.
Not really hd does not scan serial numbers but the big clear thing was a home depot dc sticker it is used for inventory and shipping to store on what is called an "rdc" truck so they removed it to scan the barcode so they can aell it to you
My guess is the Amazon one was previously returned from Home Depot or another retailer. Do you know what happens to the tools you return to the store? They don’t go back on the shelf most of the time. They get wrapped up on a pallet and sold to an auction house. So my guess is this came off of a pallet. You can get a pallet of returned Milwaukee tools for 3-4 grand. The tools on that pallet were probably worth 10-12 grand new, so even if you sell them at half price you’re still making good coin for little to no work.
Of course the risk is you might get tools that were returned because they were defective and not just because someone wanted to do the Home Depot Hack.
i have purchased electrical items from HD that were used and returned and put back on the shelf. I know this because parts were missing or replaced. Contractors in my area return items all the time.
@@frankd8957 I think they treat hardware and supplies differently than power tools. It’s just too risky to put a returned tool back on the shelf. But an unopened spool of wire or an unused gang box is what it is. It could even be a directive from the power tool company. They probably wouldn’t want to honor warranty on a tool that was previously returned.
Milwaukee warrantied a drill driver for me that was purchased with amazon. no issues.
*Don't think you need a Receipt for the warranty*. Think they go by the serial number / production date. If you dispute this, then you use the receipt
You are right. They go by the serial but they have the right to always ask for the receipt if they like so
I never use Amazon for important name brand purchases, 99.99% knockoffs. Macys for cologne, Bestbuy for electronics…etc
maybe the mark up at home depot is just ridiculously more? I'm not sure how the average amazon joe would get bulk Milwaukee tools to get a bulk discount though. interesting comparison, never thought about this
Lol bulk discount. They are making 100 percent profit. The tools are stolen.
NO, it's Stolen tools 1000%, Period.
I bought a Milwaukee framing nailer off of Amazon and have put over 3000 nails in with it with no issues? I beat the snot out of it so I am guessing its real😊
It's real, real stolen
Of course it is real. It was stolen from depot probably and resold below cost to you
This video is very helpful. I am in the same situation. I searched for the hammer drill, 2904-20. They at first describe it as a 12V drill, however, all the photos, etc. are pointing to the 18V drill instead, and the label itself in the photo reads 2904-20. It is listed for only $90.00, as compared to HD's price for $200.00!. I took a chance with it and am expecting it to be delivered tomorrow. To compare, I also ordered the 3404-20, which is the 12V drill, and that one lists for only $60.00, as compared to HDs price of $149.00. If the specifications in the included manual say 1,400 inch pounds for the 2904-20 I will be one happy camper!
update?
@@dannys9074 Success! It is the 2904-20. Not sure how they can sell them at that price point.
Garage is looking pretty nice! That will be awesome for you to be able to work in there this winter.
Got one a week ago and works great so far. For a hundred bucks it was worth the risk and I genuinely don’t care if it’s stolen
Makita tools, XDT19 impact driver, $114 on Amazon and $234 all other sellers. I tried to review it and point out that it arrived in a plain box not in the typical Makita packaging but they wouldn’t post it. I returned it and purchased it from a reliable seller.
I worked in a factory that made parts for power tools and lawn equipment. We had to destroy nonconforming material, because people will crawl into the dumpster and take stuff to sell as repair parts on eBay. I've also seen people fired for loading their car with custom parts for popular consumer products to sell online.
I'm pretty sure the difference in price is in the warranty. I know from experience when I got tools from a local supplier on my job, we got them cheaper than most brick and mortar places. Turns out Milwaukee warranties their products according to manufacturing date, not according to date of sale. So, if you buy a Milwaukee tool under three year warranty, that warranty may already be half over or more before you even buy it. The warranty time period is the determining factor on price of the product. You loose warranty before you buy it, it will be cheaper than a full warranty tool no matter where you purchased it from. If the warranty is out by manufactured date then you'll probably only pay half price. However, since most Milwaukee tools are good you could end up saving alot of money on lower warranty periods.
I worked in printing for many years. The difference in the two boxes could be a matter of how well the ink was controlled during printing.
Amazon has a lot of sellers that have actual store fronts. Tool, plumbing and construction stores can be direct retailers for Dewalt, Milwaukee ect and they can get better "promotional" pricing on the tools which ables them to sell them at a lower cost compared to your big lot stores.
The difference in serial number can be attributed to differing styles of laser jet printers on the manufacturing lines. I work in manufacturing and repair these printers often. These companies will hold onto older units for as long as possible, which may have a different font but be coming right off the same manufacturing floor.
There are many resellers of Milwaukee, and the other big name brands, so you are not buying from Amazon, just through Amazon. Amazon is large enough, that if a company started selling Fakes, then Amazon would end up with the returns.
it could be that the less expensive tool is refurbished , or it is older and out of warranty. I think you only get one year warranty with authorized refurbished too. With new tool you get 5 year warranty . I just took a mid torque impact into local warranty repair shop . They just look at the date on the serial number - no receipts needed. Within 5 years and free repair of the electronic module in my case which would have been over $100 just for part. So worth a lot to get something with warranty . You can look up online how to read serial number to tell manufacturing date of tool.
I bet the home depot tool is marked up for their buy one get a free gift specials. Usually it's another tool or battery that would probably make the price margins on the two grinders similar.
I got an impact wrench on Amazon for 50 bucks cheaper than Home Depot. It was originally $20 cheaper so I added it to my cart than moved to save for later, a week and half later it dropped another $30. I bought it , registered it online and it’s legit. I’m happy.
I'm pretty sure you know about applying heat to a sticker you want to remove intact, so I won't mention it. Always enjoy your content Chris, wherever your attention is directed.
I am a big fan of Milwaukee tools and packouts and as a joiner I put my tools through a lot of hard work and they never let me down but I always buy from Milwaukee registered dealers and never use the replica batteries maybe it’s different over here in the uk 🇬🇧 all I know is Milwaukee is not cheap but you get what you pay for and if you register your tall with Milwaukee tools here in the UK. They are backed up thanks for your time and consideration 😊keep safe 👍
Please do more tool reviews enjoying the content from you and jen.
Remember folks that if your comparing tools from Amazon that using Home depot is a bad reference as they themselves have tools that are built specifically for them. You'll notice sometimes a brand of tool purchased at a real authorized retailer will have different part numbers than a tool purchased at home depot even though both are advertised as the same tool.
I always check the part numbers. Different part numbers means they're a different tool. Milwaukee has a vast line up. And home Depot is a authorized seller
Low level milwaukee employee here. I can tell you that we do get good discounts on tools as an employee. Im just trying to connect the dots but based off the price comparison and how new the tools are, its more than likely an employee is involved with the gray market trying to make some easy bucks.
Retailers charge so much to cover the cost of letting people walk out of the store with their merchandise without any consequences, except for maybe the cashier who was probably fired for not helping those hard-working customers with their packages......
They’re most likely sold insurance claims, from rejected damaged pallets. Working receiving for 15 years I’ve learned a few things talking to shippers.
“Rejected damaged pallets” means the pallets consist almost entirely of rejected/damaged/returned items?
@@andre1987eph No
@@andre1987eph I’ve rejected hundreds off pallets over my career. Everything was new goods. If I seen 25% of the pallet was wet or crushed, I rejected it. A pallet of waterpiks, iRobots, Brevilles etc. The majority is in good selling condition. Unless it was something real good I’ll make the driver wait. Go through it get a freight claim. Over a specified $ amount the delivery company wants it back. Under that amount we keep and let the employees purchase for about 10cent on the dollar.
In my city there are so many so many tool resellers, 75% of them they sell brand new tools (they buy them by the pallets and sell them at 50% off) and the 25% used returned tools from depot or lowes. Def it's not stolen.
Look at you... You guarantee that they are not stolen? Hahha
guys i worked with a few years back said home depot tools arent contractor grade. they would go to a smaller contravtor supply store and pay way more. pretty funny looking back.
As someone who works….. for a certain company…. I can tell you that the first numbers after the letters on the serial number are the year they were made. Indicating the 2251 is from late last year and the 230? is from early this year.
People will take advantages of deals where you buy batteries and get a free tool, or vice versa, and then sell the free good online for any amount of money and they would be in the green.
I work in Canada and two examples would be:
1. Buy an M18 Fuel Trimmer Kit with battery and get a free leaf blower - they sell the leaf blower for $100 CDN (normally $250 CDN) and they would be making money
2. Buy two M18 6ah HO batteries with a charger for $398 CDN and get a free Fuel tool (sawzall, grinder, circ saw, etc) which would normally be $288 CDN - they sell it for $100 CDN and they’d be in the green once again
The difference in weight would likely be from balancing. They remove material to make sure everything is balanced. The amazon needed more material removed to balance. 0.2 ounces is nothing you'll notice though
I would say they are the same. It costs more to build a new production line to produce the counterfeit than the benefits they got from them. I suspect the factory people that got the contract to produce the official ones, used the same production line to produce these unauthorized products.
This doesn't mean they are stolen. One way they do it is buy the tools in bulk or buy them when there is a free battery deal and return the battery. I have saved hundreds of dollars returning the free batteries. I've calculated I could have made about $125 on the M12 fuel impact driver and hammer drill kit when you get the free battery, if I were to sell them online after I returned the battery.
you said this twice that there was 2 ounce difference but they were .2 ounce. that is a huge difference in what really is the difference is. Thank you for sharing. I would like to see how this could EVER get Milwaukees approval. People on ebay sell the same way too. Huge price difference
You get a warranty as long as you possess the tool and it has the serial number on it
I bought a pair of Hitec boots for £110. Within 9 months the sole came apart. I then bought an identical pair which were a Chinese rip off for £42 and they are still good after nearly 3 years. Go figure!
You can hear the gear slop in the Amazon one. And it sounds tight and right in the HD. May not mean much the first 20hrs. But they way things work is that failures happen in the most of inconvenient times of need.
I noticed a sound difference too.
looks good, interesting video thanks
Hey Chris and Jen , well I would take my chance on the Amazon one! 👍
I buy home depot return pallets and a lot of times I get sealed milwaukee products, may be returns or home depot making shelf space for new products.
Tell me how please
It's not counterfeit, It's just that sometimes amazon recieve like 5 pallet of tools from a seller and declare that they recieved only 3 pallet, and sells the other 2 by himself with a huge discount. I bought a milwaukee saw on amazon at 500€ wich was usually sold for 780€. But it's 100% original.
Print font variation can be from printer to printer. Could be from a number of issues with setting up those types of printers. We work with them daily.
It is real. I'm not sure if they still do this but Milwaukee used to sell unopened returns and overstock items on Amazon.
0.2oz is like nickel weight, about 5 grams. Could be grease variation on the gears. HD charges extra for obvious reasons - b&m store, you can get it in a hurry, return it there etc. plus they constantly run free tool promos.
Global Counterfeiting 'expert' here. Often fakes can look better or identical to the original. In addition to counterfeit, there are items made on an illegal 3rd shift. By that I mean the chinese factory contracted to make 200 widgets a day, actually makes 200 and gives it to their customer. They then run an additional shift, hence the name and make another hundred. Then that company directly sells that extra one hundred made a day and keep all the money. In one company I worked for everybody identified the counterfeit product as the real one. Why? Because the counterfeiter had spent more on packaging than we did, they also put a hologram sticker on the counterfeit to show it was the genuine item. The real item came in a crappy cardboard box. A few years ago Mclaren sports cars had a recall, they had put counterfeit oil filters on all their new vehicles as they built them.
I don't like buying power tools at Amazon, because I either know they're junk - such as Amazon Basics - or I have no idea where they come from. And for the tools I've bought, when I check I haven't seen much of a difference between HD and Amazon, so I guess I haven't found people selling stolen tools.
I offer the following information based my experience both buying and selling tools Amazon as well as sending them in for service covered under warranty. I have a battery on the bench now that will be boxed up and shipped to them on Monday. So YES, They still have a warranty that begins on the day that the tool was produced. The date code is is part of the tools serial number. Home depot does not have or keep any record of the tools serial number and who it was sold to. And the barcode is added to the box by amazon at whichever fulfillment center the 3rd party sellers has been instructed to send it to.
Will it depend on the tool stock today I was checking for milwaukee caulking gun and I found it at Amazon the cheapest one was $270 but at Home depot was $220 and you will find other tools vise versa so I think it depend on the tool stock.
I buy all of my Milwaukee tools (39 and counting) through amazon, have sent in over 12 tools, chargers, batteries to them for repair or replace WITH the amazon receipt, I've never had an issue with warranty (E-TOOL) repair service rejecting one for a fake tool.
That’s a high rate of returns unless you use them professionally
prob a return item or remanufactured/refurbished and a slightly older model iteration. the amazon does look to have a bit more sheen on the metal head end and where the disk clamp is. looks like there is oil there like it may have had a refresh or something done to it.
Great video and absolutely LOVE the subassembly views! The rotor stamping looked to be ALMOST the same with a minor difference in the lower line (could be the batch #). Hard to read in the video. Also, the weight difference was only 0.2-0.3 oz (you kept saying 2 or 3 ounces). Could that small of a difference be attributed to varience in the plastic casting?
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JFYI, it's quite common to get a 40% off tool & battery deal from HD if you check that every day. (at least last year Dec - Mar 2023 when I was actively watching) They probably just hoard a lot, and sell separately.
I needed warranty work on my EBAY purchased M12 die grinder. Milwaukee fixed it under warranty no problem. Its based on the serial number, not the seller...at least thats been my experience.
Yes within 5 years . I just had impact driver repaired at local repair shop. I had looked up on Milwaukee site how to read date from serial number. I was so happy I was within the 5 years so repair was free !