The Tin Trade's Terrible Toll In Indonesia

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  • Опубліковано 4 вер 2016
  • Tin Trouble (2013): Tin is an essential element in consumer electronics and Indonesia is now its biggest exporter. But its poverty stricken miners work in horrendous conditions and the human and environmental toll is proving costly.
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    "The most dangerous is when we are buried. I was traumatized", says 25-year-old Yuri, who risks his life illegally diving for tin off the coast. In addition to a steadily rising death toll, local ecosystems are being ravaged by massive deforestation, water pollution, soil depletion and the collapse of fish stocks. "It will take centuries, thousands of years before everything can return to normal", says biologist Eddy Nurtjahya. The Islands of Bangka and Belitung are experiencing a tin rush and with a laissez-faire government and rampant corruption, many are now seeking international pressure to help curb this illegal trade. "If the government doesn't take immediate action Bangka and Belitung will get poorer and poorer."
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  • @hiomation
    @hiomation 4 роки тому +133

    I love how the English subtitles don't match up with what they are saying in English. haha.

    • @tubetubecommentor4795
      @tubetubecommentor4795 4 роки тому +6

      You always need subtitles to translate corporate or politician talk. Always

    • @dnojno
      @dnojno 4 роки тому

      indonesian is a very hard language to translate hahah

    • @moch.rijalfatoni2570
      @moch.rijalfatoni2570 3 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/_xrgp7k1qCA/v-deo.html
      Look this is new face of bangka bro. Dont judging

    • @jacobturman5602
      @jacobturman5602 3 роки тому +1

      Oronamin the comment is about English

    • @hhhqqq3918
      @hhhqqq3918 3 роки тому +1

      haahahhaahahahhahahahahhahahhhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha omg
      lmaoaoo oo o o i cannot stop laughing

  • @KillerBill1953
    @KillerBill1953 6 років тому +92

    All well and good, but people forget that this was exactly what British workers had to do a few hundred years ago. Blaming modern technology is not going to make things better.

    • @Kabodanki
      @Kabodanki 5 років тому +1

      Agree

    • @gondolacrescent5
      @gondolacrescent5 5 років тому +4

      More like 2,500 to a few hundred years ago. Organbuilders on the Continent almost always insisted on using Cornish Tin for their pipework. I suspect Tin was Britains most valuable export for a significant portion of its history. Without Tin (and Copper) there couldn’t have been a Bronze Age.

    • @grahamt5924
      @grahamt5924 4 роки тому +6

      @Christina Reynolds in the 1870s Cornwall England was the worlds largest producer of tin with over 2000 mines working. It is estimated that the tin mining in cornwall went on for over 4000 years and only came to a halt on 6 March 1998. There is talk in resuming mining in cornwall again though due to the price of tin. There are monumental deposits under the north sea but only viable if the price is right so they say.

    • @Baerock
      @Baerock 4 роки тому

      that is true but people also forget that those brits a few hundred of years ago caused a lot of damaged worldwide with the divide and conquer strategy.

    • @grahamt5924
      @grahamt5924 4 роки тому +9

      @@Baerock those brits who where working in mines in UK did nothing to anyone globally as you trying to infer. They where busy working and dieing down mines in conditions that where horrendous. If you had to film their work and show it to people these days, you would feel sorry for them.
      My Dad left Wales in 1950s because he did not want to work down a mine. That was practically the only work at the time when he grew up. All his school friends ended up in the mines and not one lived past 60. It's a hard life being a miner.

  • @fukkyoutube
    @fukkyoutube 4 роки тому +72

    and yet i sit here watching this on my phone

    • @grahamt5924
      @grahamt5924 4 роки тому

      Me to

    • @fukkyoutube
      @fukkyoutube 4 роки тому +1

      @icewall flatearth no they are 2 different metals but tin mixed with copper is brass

    • @draculawolfman1502
      @draculawolfman1502 4 роки тому +2

      At least you recognize your part of the demand that perpetuates these things. Most people aren't capable of that kind of awareness. Try to consume less bs you don't need and support candidates and legislation that protects the environment and builds infrastructure for recycling

    • @moch.rijalfatoni2570
      @moch.rijalfatoni2570 3 роки тому

      @@fukkyoutube ua-cam.com/video/_xrgp7k1qCA/v-deo.html
      Look this is new face of bangka bro. Dont judging first looking the latest news

    • @adamrodgers9175
      @adamrodgers9175 3 роки тому +1

      It's on your phone yes, but who is really perpetuating their situation. They are being screwed over so someone can make billions. The phone or devices isn't the problem. Buy low sell high, it's how you make profit.

  • @rajgill7576
    @rajgill7576 5 років тому +53

    4:06 dude falls in SO DEEP

    • @raimonestanol8234
      @raimonestanol8234 3 роки тому

      And then the guy sits with a towel covering his manhood 😂😂😂😂

  • @jamesdecker4166
    @jamesdecker4166 3 роки тому +8

    It’s such a shame how little they get for the tin. In the US, 8 to 10kg of tin would sell for $120-$150, not $3-$4 😢

    • @sonnyar7086
      @sonnyar7086 3 роки тому +4

      Real translate : 80.000 - 90.000/kg is around 5,5 - 6 dollar US/kg.. 10kg/days = 55 - 60 US dollar/days..
      For prespective 60 dollar in indonesia u can buy 10 pack of marlboro cigaretes + 30 cup of cofee + eat 3 time/days for whole week and still have some money to save..

    • @chanphule6317
      @chanphule6317 3 роки тому +1

      @Jim Smithers they didnt had much choices to earn income so u cant say they "fucked up their home for short term gains".they did this knowing that this wld cause harm to their home but what choices did they have?

    • @joesr31
      @joesr31 3 роки тому

      thats why there isn't as much tin mines over there

    • @jholotanbest2688
      @jholotanbest2688 3 роки тому

      It was not tin but tin ore but yeah the miners get a very small share of the price of thin.

  • @jamesvandeusen7311
    @jamesvandeusen7311 5 років тому +3

    This story is a testament to the miners who work supporting their families.Government is probably troubled because these small scale operations are much tougher to control and extort compared to a large mining concession.

  • @adriannepeterson6347
    @adriannepeterson6347 Рік тому +3

    Again- the disparity between wages and work conditions in countries that cannot afford to not to undertake such work for fear of poverty & starvation, and countries that dont care as long as they get their "toys" is so sad & disheartening... And of course- the environmental impact cannot be ignored...Praying for a better way 😣

  • @goldassayer93555
    @goldassayer93555 5 років тому +42

    LOL! ILLEGAl means the politicians are not getting a cut of the proceeds. How terrible!
    LOL!

    • @memeconnect4489
      @memeconnect4489 4 роки тому +3

      that's why the country is so poor

    • @Katsumi_cute736
      @Katsumi_cute736 4 роки тому +1

      Illegal because the methods are destroying the environment and wildlife

    • @Crashed131963
      @Crashed131963 4 роки тому +2

      Having 5 kids when you make $3 a day should be illegal.
      It's called Child Abuse.

    • @christianderbyshire744
      @christianderbyshire744 4 роки тому +2

      It's hard work and I'm glad that they keep all the money no need for the government to tell them how to dig a hole 😂

    • @yusuftegar6588
      @yusuftegar6588 4 роки тому

      @stoeger 2 well, i came from the island (Bangka) and i can confirm that if the higher ranked in the government gets a cut, you will get permitted and even backed up if you have problem. They basically turn blind eye to the problem

  • @faggod23
    @faggod23 7 років тому +10

    Love this Documentary 10/10 STARS!!
    Being an Indonesian, this is a very sad reality here in Banka Belitung. Families try to survive day to day by mining tin.

    • @thjeokthjeok443
      @thjeokthjeok443 6 років тому

      Ommar what is the government doing ? Its a government responsibility to protect its people . Crooked government ! I dont have an I phone .

    • @theaubad1006
      @theaubad1006 4 роки тому

      Ommar hi.
      Are you blind? Or a criminal?
      All there doing here is taking jobs away from poor people to support there rich friends. Do you know a better way for these people to support there family's? Or should they just starve so the elon musks of this world can get there new rolls royces.

  • @iceteakilla
    @iceteakilla 6 років тому +32

    You can blame the industry for the demand of tin but you can easily blame the government for not willing to invest into these operations directly improving the peoples condition. Blaming the products the require the material is not the answer...

    • @barrymayson2492
      @barrymayson2492 5 років тому +1

      I agree the real problem is poverty and lack of investment which lead to all sorts of illegal dangerous practices to just stop them the people will starve. The high level of corruption in government doesn't help so there is no incentive to change.

    • @Lex60
      @Lex60 4 роки тому

      Tin extraction, and other minerals, has been on similar scale way before electricity become a thing. Is just the government not wanting to do anything to improve the people. They watch to the other side, pocketing legal and illegal taxes and claim that their people at least had a job so they can feed their families. And of curse, will turn a blind eye too when these people get cancer or incapacitated by accidents.

  • @Chillywilly8818
    @Chillywilly8818 5 років тому +6

    Damn pretty quick breakdown i need them at my work takes our guys that time to get their tools together

    • @moch.rijalfatoni2570
      @moch.rijalfatoni2570 3 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/_xrgp7k1qCA/v-deo.html
      Look this is new face of bangka bro. Dont judging first looking the latest news

  • @gramoukdoom
    @gramoukdoom 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks for raising awareness on this critical matter. I have been to these islands around the time this was shot. From the plane you can see the devastation that is taking place, massive holes everywhere and brown murky waters around the island. This place is so beautiful but is being literally destroyed by our thirst for gadgets and by our planned obsolescence driven society.

  • @andrewbarnett2761
    @andrewbarnett2761 3 роки тому +1

    Tremendous respect for there hard work and dedication to there family's. From America

  • @peterp4937
    @peterp4937 5 років тому +15

    Looks like the industry got some laws passed to make the informal tin mining illegal and everyone just ignores it because its unjust. How is industrial scale mining less destructive? Where are the "truly horrendous conditions"? People work dangerous jobs all over the world. No one is forcing these people to mine.

    • @Roonasaur
      @Roonasaur 5 років тому +2

      Industrial scale mining CAN be less destructive, because the volume is large enough to justify paying for safety devices, filters, remediation, etc. Everything goes through the whole chain - economies of scale . . . whereas just one guy in a boat, likely doesn't even know how those things work . . .

    • @theaubad1006
      @theaubad1006 4 роки тому +2

      Peter Hi.
      Your smart. So many are just sheep.
      All there doing here is taking jobs away from poor people to support there rich friends. So rich pricks like bill gates gets his cut. Who cares if they starve? The elon musks need there new rolls royce.

    • @teerificbitch
      @teerificbitch 4 роки тому

      @@theaubad1006 Funny that the two names you mention have created more jobs, more value to thousands and millions of people (in Gates' case) than you ever will. But hey, Bill Gates is a rich prick cause he gets paid billions. Ok.

  • @gooddad3575
    @gooddad3575 5 років тому +44

    Damn i actually feel bad for these people my life isnt that bad

    • @heartsfear9216
      @heartsfear9216 4 роки тому

      @tom tamkins pls elaborate. (actually interested in your views)+

    • @JT-xd9uc
      @JT-xd9uc 4 роки тому +4

      Birth control is the answer.

    • @raymondo162
      @raymondo162 4 роки тому +1

      ......….possibly part of an answer, but I reckon oomans have run their course Darwin-wise

    • @codybrooks3594
      @codybrooks3594 4 роки тому

      @@JT-xd9uc you're my hero lol

    • @IR-Fan
      @IR-Fan 4 роки тому

      @@JT-xd9uc and proper sex education.

  • @gunlokman
    @gunlokman 4 роки тому +30

    And yet . . . even in the most appalling conditions on this planet - people have lots of kids! This inevitably makes their situation worse . . . and so it goes on!

    • @kevinmathewson4272
      @kevinmathewson4272 4 роки тому +20

      sometimes your kids die when you're poor, so you have lots of kids, because leaving progeny on this planet is one of the deepest drives a human being feels, and without that existential sustenance these people have nothing else. They would still be poor even with no kids, and having kids lets them feel like human beings instead of work animals.

    • @IR-Fan
      @IR-Fan 4 роки тому +6

      there is also an old belief popular in Indonesia that having lots of children would also give you lots of prosperity/ fortune, although that belief was only reliable for middle/ rich class this time.

    • @Saskguy20
      @Saskguy20 4 роки тому

      Supply and demand makes bad things normal.

    • @skiie
      @skiie 4 роки тому +6

      Only worse thing than being poor is being poor and alone. Its quite honestly the only x factor they have

    • @likira111
      @likira111 4 роки тому +5

      Gee maybe the places with terrible condition don't have super great access to condoms and abortions.

  • @themaster5581
    @themaster5581 7 років тому +1

    These videos are very well made and produced, i have been watching the videos about mining, and i was surprised at how much of the work is manual, i thought it would be fully automated. Good luck for future videos, and is there a TV station anywhere these are aired on??

  • @thepixelcatcher298
    @thepixelcatcher298 3 роки тому +4

    Cancer risks seem pretty far down the list when these people are just trying to put food in their bellies day-to-day.

    • @wthor3572
      @wthor3572 3 роки тому

      Find money for plenty of cigarettes

  • @hamidijafri
    @hamidijafri 5 років тому +1

    What the small miner didn't tell you is that there is traces of gold. Since they didn't tell us, there could be more gold there.

  • @cirelesten
    @cirelesten 5 років тому +3

    How is this different then the gold rush? Corporations work with law makers to keep these guys out of work.

  • @cipndale
    @cipndale 5 років тому

    The concluding remark is so relieving.

  • @asibeoelmusika5949
    @asibeoelmusika5949 5 років тому +1

    This Documentary din't use under water camera so the viewers can see what is going on under the sea...

  • @ChuckyIGeRI
    @ChuckyIGeRI 5 років тому +7

    I hope no tin was damaged during the production of this video.

  • @ohmrpopo
    @ohmrpopo 4 роки тому +9

    Finds gold
    Throws it away

    • @ladeda7033
      @ladeda7033 3 роки тому

      Lol 😂😂😂👍👍👍 then i come through with my detector....... Booom!

    • @VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan
      @VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan 3 роки тому

      @@ladeda7033 gold detector....yeah ...sure

  • @Del-Canada
    @Del-Canada 5 років тому +3

    That's where all of the good kratom comes from. Also Sumatra, Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam, Borneo.

  • @FinlayDaG33k
    @FinlayDaG33k 4 роки тому +2

    Meanwhile, here in The Netherlands, they want to lower the speed limit from 130km/h to 90km/h to save 0.00000000001% of emmisions...
    Indonesia: "hold me tin"

    • @Bexar0000
      @Bexar0000 4 роки тому

      Aroop Roelofs I’m sorry that sounds horrible ! Hope that doesn’t happen !

    • @FinlayDaG33k
      @FinlayDaG33k 4 роки тому

      @@Bexar0000 Unfortunately, this apparently already happened, though it is 100km/h.
      In the evening and night you may go up to 120-130km/h (depending on what is allowed on that specific road) but during the day, 100 is the max you'll find anywhere...
      I won't be affected my self by it that much at this moment (most roads I drive on where a max of 80 anyways, with the occasional 100) but if I have to travel longer distances, it will be meh...
      Meanwhile, our neighbours in Germany can gas as much as they want on the highway ("autobahn"), they just aren't insured when they go above a certain speed...
      but then again, our politicians are pretty much purely driven by left-wingers without a brain (not saying all left-wingers have no brain, just saying the ones that are in charge have none).

    • @SSG1445
      @SSG1445 4 роки тому

      @@FinlayDaG33k Oh man, this is horrible, slowing the economy and travel.
      Thanks for info!

  • @peterross97
    @peterross97 4 роки тому +10

    One thing that is always overlooked in these videos; without the mining industry, these people would literally have NO way to earn a living.

  • @punker4Real
    @punker4Real 4 роки тому +6

    6:41 looks like they can afford satellite very fancy

    • @foolproofsk4657
      @foolproofsk4657 4 роки тому +1

      That's the free to air satellite dish, they don't have to pay subscription, they just receive free channels

    • @IR-Fan
      @IR-Fan 4 роки тому

      @@foolproofsk4657 yup basically tv antenna.

    • @andilanzarote
      @andilanzarote 3 роки тому

      You "Punker for Real" could afford obviously...
      Very fancy
      Prick...

  • @MikeBaxterABC
    @MikeBaxterABC 5 років тому +7

    9:09 Why the hell is she talking about Copper now? ... the sea miner said he digs up tin, the story is about tin, copper is not involved .., as she goes on, she is using the terms "Copper" and "TIN" interchangeably??? ... they are not similar at all.

    • @HobbyOrganist
      @HobbyOrganist 5 років тому

      However, cell phones and conmputers using tin are included in the story as a reason for the demand, copper is ALSO part of that demand as well as lead.

    • @moch.rijalfatoni2570
      @moch.rijalfatoni2570 3 роки тому

      @@HobbyOrganist ua-cam.com/video/_xrgp7k1qCA/v-deo.html
      Look this is new face of bangka bro. Dont judging first looking the latest news

  • @UserUser-oy8ch
    @UserUser-oy8ch 4 роки тому +4

    let's see the guys from Bering sea gold try and mining like this

  • @eatingwithhands9078
    @eatingwithhands9078 5 років тому +4

    just imagine how well of those parents would be if they didnt have kids to feed. Oh well, not their fault they are poor.

    • @Crashed131963
      @Crashed131963 5 років тому +1

      If your poor have no kids AT LEAST.
      Their kids should kill their parents when they grow up for bring them into to join their miserable exsistance.

    • @sped17373
      @sped17373 4 роки тому

      They have this mindset that the more children they have, the more workers to earn money for the family. They completely fail to grasp that this also means they have to spend so much more to feed and raise them until they're actually old enough to work any kind of job--and there aren't any jobs that pay enough to offset the costs of having the children in the first place.

    • @NoNo-uo7rd
      @NoNo-uo7rd 3 роки тому

      It's just bad family planning in poor areas

  • @itburnswhenip
    @itburnswhenip 5 років тому +32

    The talking to them about health risks as they smoke on cancer sticks.. what a wonderful waste of money and resources by everyone
    "I need to Mine Cancer to buy more Cancer"

    • @SDeww
      @SDeww 5 років тому +4

      +itburnswhenip ""The talking to them about health risks as they smoke on cancer sticks.. what a wonderful waste of money and resources by everyone""
      why do people drive cars?, the once who do, pollute the earth for those who dont!, cars give everyone cancer, destroys the earth climate, and poisens ur rivers and seas!, and you are worried about 1 person giving him self cancer??, yet a person driving a car is giving us all cancer, AND destroys our planet!!

    • @itburnswhenip
      @itburnswhenip 5 років тому +1

      I reject your reality and substitute my own.
      One Volcano can spit out more hazardous gases and particulate then I will ever be able to do in my life time, hydro-thermal vents in the ocean floor release more toxic chemicals into the ocean and air, per day then the China or other 3rd world shit holes do, natural Oil seeps spill oil into lakes and rivers constantly, at a rate of 'millions of gallons' per year In the State of California alone, add the whole world and your talking billions of barrels!
      If you are going to try and make it seem that humans have anything to do with making the world "toxic" you'll need to stop the earth first, because last I checked those chemicals existed in our atmosphere well before humans started driving cars or flying.

    • @kins1703
      @kins1703 5 років тому +1

      @@itburnswhenip are you trying to blame the nature?

    • @itburnswhenip
      @itburnswhenip 5 років тому +1

      @@kins1703 Blame? nope... what I was saying is this, If there is a river that already has a natural oil seep dumping hundreds of liters of crude into it annually, and I walk up one day and drop 1 liter of my own crude oil into it, Crazy environmentalist would consider the river to be contaminated only after I added the crude oil in it, when in reality its been contaminated for millennia, and thats a significant fact when talking about climate change and pollution that many simply choose to ignore because its a inconvenient truth.

    • @markheller197
      @markheller197 4 роки тому

      Don’t condone but cigarettes kill your hungar

  • @TTstone616
    @TTstone616 4 роки тому +5

    This reminds me of the movie Water World. The shit just looks so goddamn primitive! It's amazing their able to do what they're doing

    • @codybrooks3594
      @codybrooks3594 4 роки тому +2

      Damn! That's exactly what I thought😔

    • @moch.rijalfatoni2570
      @moch.rijalfatoni2570 3 роки тому

      @@codybrooks3594 ua-cam.com/video/_xrgp7k1qCA/v-deo.html
      Look this is new face of bangka bro. Dont judging first looking the latest news

  • @eustaceb547
    @eustaceb547 4 роки тому +1

    i have a question about the guy who lost his leg in the mine..why did he choose to focus on carpentry after losing his limb? from what i very briefly saw of him sitting @ his little woodshop he does good work! I hope he makes way more money doing that rather than mining for tin

    • @gregs7519
      @gregs7519 4 роки тому +1

      I'm sure he doesn't make as much money. That's like saying people should be happy flipping burgers at McDonalds for minimum wage, instead of working in construction as a crane operator for more money but possibly getting hurt on the job.

  • @Talamathii
    @Talamathii 4 роки тому

    Has there been any changes there as of 2020?

  • @SDeww
    @SDeww 5 років тому +2

    why does this documentary think copper and tin are the same??, they are 2 totally different elements!.

  • @amirrezahabibi2479
    @amirrezahabibi2479 5 років тому +10

    yeah subtitles are way off... just saying different shit

    • @yukiefromoz2573
      @yukiefromoz2573 4 роки тому

      They don't even really need them, I could understand them perfectly fine! Those subs were kind of an insult really.

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  • @19irving
    @19irving 6 років тому +29

    Regardless, everyone will rush out to buy the iPhone 10. I have the 4 and plan to keep it until it no longer functions. I don't know how many people do that (not counting comp. illiterate types). And I'm not a vegetarian tree hugger or anything. Just don't know why people need every little doo hickey on earth.

    • @piaette7619
      @piaette7619 6 років тому +1

      D. I don t even have a cell phone or tablet

    • @cipndale
      @cipndale 6 років тому

      Well economy means that you have to buy new things. If you buy new stuff these guys would have work in tin mining. If not they will starve.

    • @chapiit08
      @chapiit08 5 років тому +1

      Most people don't give a damn or are too ignorant, just like the miners who live in abject poverty yet reproduce like rabbits.

    • @17hmr243
      @17hmr243 5 років тому

      but yet you use the internet and the server to run f-b and utube alone make up for the phs u dont buy

    • @Kyle_Hubbard
      @Kyle_Hubbard 5 років тому

      Two things.
      1) Being in with everyone else, or in other words fitting in with everyone else.
      2) Necessity. Different devices will offer better upgrade. Not talking about phones. I do the same thing, they don't change. I also don't change many devices for several years. Phones I leave longer, if I have a working phone that does what I want then excellent. I'll buy another one years down the line if I need too. Other devices on the other hand I may need to upgrade in following years. Computer components etc.

  • @MrSpaceMees
    @MrSpaceMees 4 роки тому +4

    "we pay everything"
    yeah expect your employees.

    • @qfox16789
      @qfox16789 4 роки тому +2

      *except

    • @moch.rijalfatoni2570
      @moch.rijalfatoni2570 3 роки тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/_xrgp7k1qCA/v-deo.html
      Look this is new face of bangka bro. Dont judging first looking the latest news

    • @gantzleny6074
      @gantzleny6074 3 роки тому

      @@moch.rijalfatoni2570 i don't see any small workers there. what happened to them? all i see is westerners and high ranking officials

  • @wthor3572
    @wthor3572 3 роки тому +1

    Look at them all huffing cigarettes, modern society has not only let them behind but completely exploited

  • @Automedon2
    @Automedon2 4 роки тому +1

    I wonder how much more the planet can stand

  • @17crowman
    @17crowman 4 роки тому +8

    look help these people extra the ore safely and stop turning a blind eye to the truth we are all one planet
    and help is what they need not criticisms of the way they make a living

    • @theaubad1006
      @theaubad1006 4 роки тому

      Michael hi. All there doing here is taking jobs away from poor people to support there rich friends. You know a better way for these people to support there family's? Or should they just starve so a rich prick like bill gates gets his cut? Earning a living is often hazardous and dangerous its called life.

  • @cerverg
    @cerverg 4 роки тому +2

    I make $3 a day but I have 5 kids.... that's less than $0.5 per day for each member of the family.... I never got how those people think.... they barely have food to eat but they keep on pumping more and more kids...

    • @moch.rijalfatoni2570
      @moch.rijalfatoni2570 3 роки тому +1

      It old news,try looking with new data bro this area is more developing with tourism because student demostran urgent government to stop ilegal mine

  • @alfonsosoriano171
    @alfonsosoriano171 4 роки тому +7

    at least the chinese don't exploit that mining area. or else, the local people will eat nothing but sand. i admire the indonesians of succeeding on driving away the chinese. other 3rd world countries should follow them. more power to you indonesian brothers, be strong and always put safety ahead of everything else. your health is very important.

    • @malakatan3235
      @malakatan3235 4 роки тому +2

      What do you mean driving away Chinese? They driving away white colonist & Japanese colonist.

    • @alanfarlie9807
      @alanfarlie9807 2 роки тому +1

      there's many chinese in bangka belitung bro

  • @codybrooks3594
    @codybrooks3594 4 роки тому

    That little boy's couch at 17:01 ☹😔🙁

  • @bluemountaindrivepae
    @bluemountaindrivepae 5 років тому +1

    The land erosion is going to make the floods worse.

  • @jameslatimer1432
    @jameslatimer1432 3 роки тому +1

    Unbelievable state of River

  • @bobbymobay
    @bobbymobay 4 роки тому

    @05:30 they extract 8-10 Kg of tin per day. They make $3-$4 dollars per day. Tin sells at $15.00 USD per kg in 2016 (avg). Be thankful.

    • @moch.rijalfatoni2570
      @moch.rijalfatoni2570 3 роки тому

      It old news,try looking with new data bro this area is more developing with tourism because student demostran urgent government to stop ilegal mine

  • @evd7079
    @evd7079 4 роки тому +8

    I'm impressed that they are eating with spoons

    • @Renwoxing13
      @Renwoxing13 3 роки тому

      I'm impressed your on the internet and not jail you inhuman/inhumane piece of shit!

  • @russg1801
    @russg1801 5 років тому

    Because tin is used to line cans, the word "tinny" acquired a connotation of something that was cheaply made. That's untrue. During WW2 tin was in short supply in the US; that's the principle reason tin cans were recycled. Brass is an alloy of copper and ZINC, which is a cheap metal. BRONZE is copper and TIN, and far stronger. Tin is combined with lead to make electrical and plumbing solder. Because lead is toxic, the amount of tin has been sharply increased, raising the price. Indonesia used to be the Dutch East Indies and we were cut off from tin supply during WW2.

  • @malcolmleonard3974
    @malcolmleonard3974 6 років тому +13

    Here is a few ideas close down mines birth control put children in school

    • @mohamadhafidal-ahyar2253
      @mohamadhafidal-ahyar2253 6 років тому

      Malcolm Leonard you are right, many school here in indonesia today don't have students anymore because of birth control 😅

    • @henryettoit897
      @henryettoit897 5 років тому

      birth control is not allowed in islam.

    • @eit225
      @eit225 5 років тому +2

      @@henryettoit897Though Indonesia is majority Muslim, but Indonesian government already pushed birth control program since 1990. Since then, using any type of birth control is encouraged throughout the nation up to now. Pill, implant, injection, etc are all for free from the urban area to the most remote village (as they have small govt clinic in every village). Condom is still not free though. Thats why birth rate in Indonesia dropped to 2.1 now from 7-8 before in 1990.

    • @HobbyOrganist
      @HobbyOrganist 5 років тому +4

      Well, I guess they'll have to just stew there in their own squalid craphole of a toilet they made for themselves and die young, we need to stop sending out foreign aid to artificially prop them up.

    • @momentum1208
      @momentum1208 5 років тому

      @@mohamadhafidal-ahyar2253 what a silly thing to say. Are you joking?

  • @shirleykoskela6723
    @shirleykoskela6723 4 роки тому +1

    They all look happy and well feed to me

    • @theaubad1006
      @theaubad1006 4 роки тому +1

      Shirley Hi.
      I like you youre smart.
      All there doing here is taking jobs away from poor people to support there rich friends. Who cares if they starve? The elon musks need there new rolls royces.

  • @IRosamelia
    @IRosamelia 4 роки тому +1

    People here are saying the english subtitles are wrong. Could you inform us what important or interesting piece of information is lost in translation? 🇮🇩

    • @sonnyar7086
      @sonnyar7086 3 роки тому +1

      Tin price is just wrong..they says 5,5 - 6 dollar us/kg..and they can collect around 10kg each days,its mean 60 dollar/days.. its good money if u live here

  • @mysterybuyer3738
    @mysterybuyer3738 3 роки тому +1

    I collect pewter that's mostly tin. I think it's a good thing to hold like gold and silver. It will get more valuable.

    • @cs0345
      @cs0345 3 роки тому

      Better to hold onto stocks

    • @mysterybuyer3738
      @mysterybuyer3738 3 роки тому

      @@cs0345 I hold lots of stocks but I like holding the actual metal a lot more.

    • @jholotanbest2688
      @jholotanbest2688 3 роки тому

      When you look at your pewter you can imagen how many have died and suffered for you to hold that.

    • @mysterybuyer3738
      @mysterybuyer3738 3 роки тому

      @@jholotanbest2688 They needed employment. Tin put food on their table.

  • @bevlumb6530
    @bevlumb6530 4 роки тому +1

    The government might do something about the illegal mining when it's their pockets and the council that is getting hit. I'm afraid it's like everything else money talks.

  • @krasje28
    @krasje28 4 роки тому +1

    Corruption is the one word why there is nothing happening.

  • @russg1801
    @russg1801 5 років тому

    Look at the price they're getting for crude tin - about $1.50 a pound. That's a lot of money for a commodity that still needs to be smelted into industrial-grade metal.

  • @leahjerez2765
    @leahjerez2765 5 років тому +3

    Around 22:00 this dude is all alone on the beach, trying to scope up tin on what looks to be a Styrofoam plate..(do ya think he needed a fix?)

    • @boglin
      @boglin 5 років тому

      sad as it is, im gonna say yeah lol, dude was looking mad frantic and i cant assume thats an even slightly effective method of getting tin.

    • @yusuftegar6588
      @yusuftegar6588 4 роки тому

      Thats actually made out of plastic or sheet of metal. That's not very effective way to mine for sure.

  • @geraldashby3117
    @geraldashby3117 3 роки тому

    Such a sad world for billions of people.....

  • @andreashauschild7757
    @andreashauschild7757 3 роки тому +2

    Yes it is horrible, yes throughout history in all places of the world this has and is happening. But something to remember. Even with all the hard and dangerous work, these people are happy to be able to do this as without this their choices of income would be crime and prostitution.

    • @RamonChiNangWong078
      @RamonChiNangWong078 3 роки тому

      I believe you're never heard of those illegal gold mining in south america before
      it's a attracts all kinds of crimes and prostitution because of it.

    • @andreashauschild7757
      @andreashauschild7757 3 роки тому

      @@RamonChiNangWong078 Of course any concentration of low income workers in any place in the world will attract that. But I suspect the father that can feed his kid rather then have it starve does not really care about this.

  • @frequencyfluxfandango8504
    @frequencyfluxfandango8504 5 років тому +1

    So, just as long as you pay a policeman you can do pretty much whatever you want ?
    Makes me respect the way we do things here, but very interesting doc, Thanks.

    • @HobbyOrganist
      @HobbyOrganist 5 років тому

      Yeah they say "illegal mines" and they cant stop them, REALLY? all those huts, people, water hoses and equipment all out in the open on an island and yet they cant find them?? funny how we can find one pot plant in a 20 acre field but they cant find a big open mining operation on an island! someone is being paid to look the other way!

    • @yusuftegar6588
      @yusuftegar6588 4 роки тому

      Yup, pretty much so. I live there and can confirm you that. Pay em up and they act like it never existed. Even protecting them if there is a raid or massive search by telling them first before the raid.

  • @gortnewton4765
    @gortnewton4765 4 роки тому

    $16450 per tonne on the LME (London Metal's Exchange). They likely get a quarter of that (refining is needed and a lot of other things before it gets to the stage of being sold on the LME). At 5:54 he says they are making double the usual wage and are making 3 to 4 dollars a day. (US$). I spent $2.50 on a kilogram of bananas yesterday!

    • @nandazakiyyatulmuna3480
      @nandazakiyyatulmuna3480 3 роки тому

      It's not 3/4 dollar but around 7-8 dollar, in indonesia banana is so cheap cause if you live in village, everyone has banana tree, so if you want to eat it, your neighborhood can give you free

  • @hojoinhisarcher
    @hojoinhisarcher 5 років тому +3

    When I started pottery in 1979 I read about this exact type of mining in rural Amazonia.Forgive me for not being shocked at this practise.

    • @theaubad1006
      @theaubad1006 4 роки тому +1

      John hi.
      All there doing here is taking jobs away from poor people to support there rich friends. Do you know a better way for these people to support there family's? Or should they just starve so a rich prick like bill gates gets his cut?

  • @atomipi
    @atomipi 5 років тому

    that rad meter was in accumulate mode - counting up, not counting the actual level.. if you leave it for long enough, it will count even higher. trickery to fool them miners

  • @abcddef2112
    @abcddef2112 3 роки тому

    Looking at that radiation level it is possible that another more beneficial mining. Mining for nuclear energy, thorium is the byproduct in monazite waste from tin mining. Since 2020 there is already a nuclear project on these.

  • @Chris-qf8wr
    @Chris-qf8wr 5 років тому

    I think this is the effects of the free market and freedom to choose one's personal life choices. Although they work in rough conditions but they chose to do it for earning a living wage. And these are different than rough workers, say in a local fishing community, where the work is maybe several times more dangerous and yet less profit. These are people that, even the narrators mentioned, immigrated from neighboring islands such as Sumatra and Java. I think there's a bit of irony when it comes to rough environment work sectors such as mining, oil and gas, ship building, etc. Each work comes with their own consequences. The media would also be enraged if a huge mining company, maybe Rio Tinto or the Indonesian National mining companies, bought the land and gain profit from it.

  • @rolandurziceanu6425
    @rolandurziceanu6425 4 роки тому

    😢😢😢😥😥😥😥😭 poor people!!!

  • @crazysocial2187
    @crazysocial2187 3 роки тому

    adakah kerja nie berbaloi hasilnya dengan penah lelah sehari......

  • @davidc7278
    @davidc7278 5 років тому +15

    looks like a fun family outing, if only they had some cigarettes to go with the tin

  • @bryanlint9327
    @bryanlint9327 6 років тому +1

    Some people have to work the most terrible of jobs.

  • @Lucas_Tulic
    @Lucas_Tulic 3 роки тому

    And now, 5 years later, tin dredging in Indonesia is still a thing. Big companies are not gonna vote against that, 'cause illegal dredging/mining is WAAAAAAAAY cheaper than being legal and having all the permits.

  • @faceofdead
    @faceofdead 4 роки тому +1

    5 kids with 4.50$ per day.
    Is this life, i am asking ?

    • @FinlayDaG33k
      @FinlayDaG33k 4 роки тому

      Modernday students can learn a thing or two from this when they complain they only have $10 a day.

    • @Crashed131963
      @Crashed131963 4 роки тому

      Having 5 kids when you make $3 a day should be illegal.
      It's called Child Abuse.

  • @drainmonkeys385
    @drainmonkeys385 4 роки тому +1

    The resort owners should be able to sue the mining dredging boat that destroyed their business

    • @yusuftegar6588
      @yusuftegar6588 4 роки тому

      The problem here is the mining company there is so big that money that talks there. I actually live there (in Bangka) the resort still open until this day. They still have local tourist time after time.

  • @shepard267
    @shepard267 5 років тому +1

    i feel offended that they even put subtitle on people who can speak english
    beside that, great video

    • @paulieheydrich9772
      @paulieheydrich9772 5 років тому

      Jayakusuma no one cares

    • @akiray8247
      @akiray8247 5 років тому +2

      ​@@paulieheydrich9772 Why are you so rude? I don't get it.

  • @Ramy-ql3tr
    @Ramy-ql3tr 5 років тому +7

    Self-serving and corrupt government.

    • @theaubad1006
      @theaubad1006 4 роки тому

      Ramy hi.
      All there doing here is taking jobs away from poor people to support there rich friends. You know a better way for these people to support there family?

    • @theaubad1006
      @theaubad1006 4 роки тому

      X hi. Lol yeah thats the ticket. Steal from other productive people. So higher taxes destroy them also. Then we can all be equally poor.

    • @theaubad1006
      @theaubad1006 4 роки тому

      X hi.
      This would be very hard to explain in a short paragraph.
      Look up this video on youtube.
      The four horsemen by rengade productions.
      Its not about the Bible. But it will help you understand the age of consequence.

  • @ScottWilliamson
    @ScottWilliamson 5 років тому

    Which explains the popularity of Rin Tin Tin. Yo, rinny!

  • @creativeandinnovative4932
    @creativeandinnovative4932 Рік тому

    Oh my God, kerusakan lingkungan seperi itu😢 sedih bangat untuk generasi berikutnya

  • @romella_karmey
    @romella_karmey 4 роки тому

    Wow 4 dollars a day. I just bought online some stuff for 4 dollars plus today and recently. 😭 I will never complain again at things I have.

    • @theaubad1006
      @theaubad1006 4 роки тому

      Khaleesi hi.
      Yes and all there doing here is taking jobs away from poor people to support there rich friends. The elon musks of thd world need there new rolls royces.

  • @mohamadhafidal-ahyar2253
    @mohamadhafidal-ahyar2253 5 років тому +2

    I am an engineer student from indonesian, well the govt had done many effort to make them turn back from this illegal mines..
    But working in other sector can't give you more than what you got from illegal mining..
    Also for addition, the subtitle you put in this video isn't correct and this case had been undergoing 5 years ago, but u upload it last year ? Well then, :)

  • @simonwilson6022
    @simonwilson6022 4 роки тому

    So this is how the planet is paying the price for all the phones, tablets and computer tech we have now. There’s always a down side to new inventions.

  • @lillian9221
    @lillian9221 4 роки тому +1

    When are governments going to start decent mining techniques, it's not the users of these minerals fault that the countries that have these minerals are also the most CORRUPT!!

    • @theaubad1006
      @theaubad1006 4 роки тому

      Lillian hi.
      All there doing here is taking jobs away from poor people to support there rich friends. Who cares if they starve? The elon musks need there new rolls royces. Most jobs are dangerous and or hazardous. Its called earning a living. Even working in 7 11 you can be shot .

  • @MannyKunV
    @MannyKunV 4 роки тому +2

    7:29 he must be speaking in some high tier greater dimension form of english bc thats not what i read

    • @keirangreen7004
      @keirangreen7004 4 роки тому

      Haha

    • @moch.rijalfatoni2570
      @moch.rijalfatoni2570 3 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/_xrgp7k1qCA/v-deo.html
      Look this is new face of bangka bro. Dont judging first looking the latest news

  • @bryanlint9327
    @bryanlint9327 6 років тому

    When it rains it will destroy the hillsides at the mines, possibly destroying the forest.

  • @ascottishgamerx9728
    @ascottishgamerx9728 3 роки тому

    Hanno the explorer when he finds out there’s bigger Tin islands

  • @jimcarden3809
    @jimcarden3809 4 роки тому

    This is not where commercial tin is made most of it is just mined as ore and shipped off on big ships

  • @jomama5186
    @jomama5186 5 років тому +6

    It shocks me how terribly we abuse this planet :(

    • @asdsafasf3
      @asdsafasf3 4 роки тому +1

      caring about some rocks and grass instead of people lol

  • @ujjwalsingh1398
    @ujjwalsingh1398 3 роки тому

    this was shot in 2012?

  • @freddiearifin
    @freddiearifin 5 років тому

    what makes it 'legal' and 'illegal' ?

  • @priscillabarberi169
    @priscillabarberi169 5 років тому

    105

  • @MikeBaxterABC
    @MikeBaxterABC 5 років тому +1

    8:44 ... i WISH I could dig out 10 KILOS of tin a day .. that'd be over $250 a day ... I'm lucky if I clear $100 in my little retail store, some bad days, I only do $25

    • @aleksandersuur9475
      @aleksandersuur9475 3 роки тому

      That's after smelting and refining and when selling pure tin by the tonne. Selling dubious quality ore concentrate by handfuls and illegally.... that's going to net a mere fraction of it, a few dollars per kg.

  • @sirfartsalot1328
    @sirfartsalot1328 4 роки тому

    Tin a such a major pain in my ass when I'm processing gold filled scrap. Gotta make sure everything gets incinerated real good before hand!

    • @moch.rijalfatoni2570
      @moch.rijalfatoni2570 3 роки тому

      It old news,try looking with new data bro this area is more developing with tourism because student demostran urgent government to stop ilegal mine

  • @dawnhock4545
    @dawnhock4545 4 роки тому

    The price of metals flexure in the US daily, we Handel recycled metals all the time and u never hear about health hazards here. Everyone is under the impression that life here is so great, the media never informs the world about the millions that are homeless or the working conditions here.

  • @Jackson35320
    @Jackson35320 3 роки тому

    Food comes first before any health issue

  • @dafodilist
    @dafodilist 5 років тому

    just buldoze new soil and the sea can be seed coral back again?

  • @cozydodododo7755
    @cozydodododo7755 4 роки тому +1

    Why don't they recycle the soup cans made of tin?

    • @aleksandersuur9475
      @aleksandersuur9475 3 роки тому

      Tin cans are not made of tin, they are made of steel and only electroplated with tin. You can and should recycle it as any other scrap steel but the tin plating is so thin it's unrecoverable. Most tin cans do in fact end up recycled, steel is easy to separate from waste stream.

  • @bradstoner7226
    @bradstoner7226 3 роки тому

    This is a way of life for these people. Dangerous or not, the resource is available so they use it to survive. There were also classic tin mines in Cornwall, England that were mined for centuries. Bolivia, China, Malaysia, Brazil are all sources of tin. Casseterite (tin oxide) is the primary ore world-wide. The US has tin but the US does not seem to have large reserves of it. The tin-lithium belt in western North Carolina has some potential but more so for lithium than tin. Mexico and parts of the southwest US have a variety called "wood tin" that forms irregular brown masses that can be recovered from placer mining those regions. There is danger present with the mining of many minerals. Mining itself can be dangerous for obvious reasons of mine collapses and falling debris but also dangerous gases that can build up in shafts and tunnels. Look how many died in the US from coal mining over the years in the Appalachian's, but these people had to work these jobs because the resources were there just like these tin miners. Without these minerals, life as we know could not exist. We need minerals in our diet, our electronics, for everything metallic, glass, ceramics, chemicals, fertilizers, etc. The list could go on and on. Early man valued minerals although to a lesser degree as much as we do today. Salt was vital to their diet. Native Americans and other indigenous people around the world needed hard minerals such as quartz, chert, etc. to fashion spears and arrowheads or to strike and create a spark that would start a fire to keep them warm and night. Man could not survive without minerals.

  • @Tzunamii777
    @Tzunamii777 4 роки тому

    What would they do if this were taken away?

    • @Bexar0000
      @Bexar0000 4 роки тому

      John Owens farming and fishing but like they said making way less money (2-3x less than mining)

  • @donsagucio8619
    @donsagucio8619 4 роки тому

    tin corresponds to jupiter and there is a tinman in that girl's gang

  • @denisemincher493
    @denisemincher493 4 роки тому

    Greed greed at the cost of human life no protective clothing no health and safety this place should be shut down