I think a big part of it is that the most immediate impact of the writers and actors strikes was awful late night television getting canceled and franchise-slopfest-47 getting delayed indefinitely. Its like you said, if those ups and railroad guys decided to strike America would immediately be in a very sticky situation. But we're multiple months into the Hollywood strikes and are only just now starting to get to the point where the content pipeline is running dry. I think support and attention will probably increase once the theaters are empty and tv is nothing but reruns
Well, news media is owned by corporations, who have a vested interest in downplaying strike actions, lest their own workers get any ideas. Jeff Bezos owns Washington Post, he's not gonna broadcast good ideas right to his own workers.
I think the main issue for the actors/writers strike is the faces of those groups are the most successful and wealthiest among them who, in many cases, have political opinions that working class American doesn't fully or at all agree with as well as have their less savory behaviors broadcast loudly to the wider world. So if the faces and voices of your movement are provably wealthy, act entitled, come off as whiny and some have lectured you and those like you in the past about how they are holier than thou, guess what that cover makes most folks judge the book as. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying the optics of their leaders do them less than zero favors.
Exactly. All these big name A-list actors are presenting themselves as the faces of the strike and it's backfiring because it gives the opposite impression that they want if they want sympathy from the average person on the outside.
I'm not sure this is true, what kind of opinions would that even be? Don't be racist? Gay people are okay? Hollywood are generally pretty liberal and so is the average american.
@@alexisborden3191 Protect the environment and cut your consumption and emissions, but I'm still going to live in a massive home that guzzles electricity and fly on private jets because I'm famous and need the flexibility, privacy and protection a private jet affords. Preaching guns should be more strictly controlled while having the ability to afford high end security, to live in very low crime areas and many times having a bodyguard. There is more to politics than identity. Economic politics probably counts more in this situation considering its an economic struggle. There is also the fact, again, the face of these underpaid actors and writers is the ones among them who make the most; it makes the argument of fairer pair less genuine sounding coming from the provably wealthy and perception is perhaps the most important thing in these situations.
The public faces of the actors/writers strikes are those who are already celebrities with fortunes (or those people think have fortunes because they're famous, but are surprisingly not that far removed from us in many cases) when the backbone of entertainment relies on people who work gigs all the time doing B and C list stuff living on paychecks and residuals or even working other 'real' jobs. The Leos and Tom Cruises of the world are exceptions, when the bulk of people striking are those whose names you'll never know, but the entertainment industry relies on and exploits them for just about everything we consume. It's much easier to sympathize with a UPS strike when there are no celebrity figureheads and everyone knows and needs their local drivers/handlers, when really both lines of work are just as valid and blue collar for the majority of those who need these strikes to pull through for them when you get down to it.
YEah like what was the number 86% of members don't qualify for the health insurance which you only get after 26k in earnings? Like, most actors are living in poverty, and that's not even an exaggeration.
@@alexisborden3191 because in my experience it's almost always contract labor you rely on for your bread and butter, you're F U C K E D for insurance in any media/entertainment job and just about everyone I know working in this business lives from gig to gig
There's one big thing you missed here, Slap. The difference between UPS, railroad and the SAG-AFTRA/WGA strikes? People don't think that the arts in general are worth anything. You guys out there hauling boxes and doing hard manual labour to get people stuff? That there is considered "honest work" and worth paying good wages for Any of the arts, be it writing, acting, painting, playing music? People don't feel it's actually worth paying for. And all the AI and streaming is just enabling people to not pay artists fair wages
That is true. As important as art is for society, it often gets overlooked. I think it's obvious that it's important, but the average joe might not and I just assumed everyone thinks it's as important as I do.
@@s1ap396Oh absolutely, without question. There are loads of people out there who don't think about artists getting paid or, worse still, think it's better for the artist to suffer and struggle on their way to "earn" fair compensation. The starving artist trope still lives on. It's not just artists. The same argument exists for minor league baseballers getting paid below the poverty line to "grind and hustle" their way to the major leagues. Same argument in favour for (until recently with NIL deals) college athletes getting nothing for the massive value they generate. Whereas actually paying them a living wage would improve their life to the point they might actually be able to prosper and be better
We need more strikes. We need a general strike in this country. Want the best way to bring the system down? Bring the economy that ain't doing shit for you to a fucking halt! Too many people thinking the best way to get back at the system is to basically target different groups of minorities and publically be an asshole when that doesn't do shit but further divide us and keep us from collectively sending a message against the entire ultra rich/elite class. Support the common people over the elites who think they have a right to rule us because of their status.
What the Writers and Actors should do is promote the stories of those average Joe's working in Hollywood instead of all the big names I've seen all the attention focusing on.
Why do I care about Hollywood actors? I hope it all collapses and the 2010s is known as the peak of Hollywood media. There's too many wannabe actors taking 3 lines in a movie and expecting to make 40k a year. I work 40 hours a week for 30k a year. I frankly do not give a hoot about these actors finding their labor devalued. And I don't watch movies either, I don't care what they make.
The actor playing 3 lines in a year and asking for 40k doesn't exist. That's just a guy you made up. Seems like a lot of effort for people you don't care about. If you found the effort to comment maybe you could find the effort to read about what they're actually striking about, that being general minimum rates(ie the stuff any random working actor makes not the celebrities), streaming residuals(which they used to get from theatre and tv but aren't getting from streaming services), and safeguards against having their likeness exploited by use of AI. But then again I can just as easily not care about whatever the fuck you do and not believe you deserve to be paid a living wage either.
@alexisborden3191 I didn't make him up when Slap said it. I'm just responding to his talking points. They could make 80k a year or 20k a year and still strike. I think being an actor is privilege and not a viable lifetime career for anyone except the top 0.1%.
@@Saltiren Ok, none of what your saying is even relevant to the question. They are for the most part operating in LA with fucked housing market, and want to at least be paid at a rate that affords them a reasonable living. No one is asking for a flat rate minimum 3 lines a year. You're just making up a guy to be mad at when the actors have legitimate grievances regarding pay not keeping pace with cost of living, especially lately, residuals being taken away via streaming, and AI replacement(which is more of a future thing but still). Do you think someone should be able to act, for 40 hours a week, and live off of that? We'll say 40 average, there's time off between and time with more than that we'll say it averages to 40. Does this person deserve to afford their groceries, rent, car, and some entertainment?
@alexisborden3191 I am NOT making up a guy to be mad at. For the second time in this comment thread, I am telling you I am responding to what Slap said. Please stop saying I am making up any sort of guy. I am clearly responding to what Slap said in this very video we are commenting on. I won't continue this discussion until you at least acknowledge you understand what I'm talking about. Either there is a major misunderstanding or you've purposefully chosen to be ignorant. I wish to clear this up but I acknowledge this is also halting discussion, possibly giving you what you want. A tough choice but I'll acquiesce to you.
Here's a better question. Why are you getting angry at others trying to get a better deal for themselves and not getting angry at the people screwing YOU out of a better deal? 40hr work week for 30k a year? Really?
A rare S1ap video that I see on my recommended
I think a big part of it is that the most immediate impact of the writers and actors strikes was awful late night television getting canceled and franchise-slopfest-47 getting delayed indefinitely. Its like you said, if those ups and railroad guys decided to strike America would immediately be in a very sticky situation. But we're multiple months into the Hollywood strikes and are only just now starting to get to the point where the content pipeline is running dry. I think support and attention will probably increase once the theaters are empty and tv is nothing but reruns
Not gonna lie, these “S1ap goes to work” videos have been great…
Workers of my nation unite!
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I haven't heard of the UPS or railroad worker strikes until now. Guess that goes to show where the news is focused these days...
Well, news media is owned by corporations, who have a vested interest in downplaying strike actions, lest their own workers get any ideas. Jeff Bezos owns Washington Post, he's not gonna broadcast good ideas right to his own workers.
This is why you need to inform yourself without using the news.
I appreciate your nonsensationalized takes on these issues.
This shows at the end of the day, even the general public knows that celebrities don't mean that much
I think the main issue for the actors/writers strike is the faces of those groups are the most successful and wealthiest among them who, in many cases, have political opinions that working class American doesn't fully or at all agree with as well as have their less savory behaviors broadcast loudly to the wider world. So if the faces and voices of your movement are provably wealthy, act entitled, come off as whiny and some have lectured you and those like you in the past about how they are holier than thou, guess what that cover makes most folks judge the book as.
I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying the optics of their leaders do them less than zero favors.
Exactly. All these big name A-list actors are presenting themselves as the faces of the strike and it's backfiring because it gives the opposite impression that they want if they want sympathy from the average person on the outside.
I'm not sure this is true, what kind of opinions would that even be? Don't be racist? Gay people are okay? Hollywood are generally pretty liberal and so is the average american.
@@alexisborden3191 Protect the environment and cut your consumption and emissions, but I'm still going to live in a massive home that guzzles electricity and fly on private jets because I'm famous and need the flexibility, privacy and protection a private jet affords. Preaching guns should be more strictly controlled while having the ability to afford high end security, to live in very low crime areas and many times having a bodyguard. There is more to politics than identity. Economic politics probably counts more in this situation considering its an economic struggle.
There is also the fact, again, the face of these underpaid actors and writers is the ones among them who make the most; it makes the argument of fairer pair less genuine sounding coming from the provably wealthy and perception is perhaps the most important thing in these situations.
The public faces of the actors/writers strikes are those who are already celebrities with fortunes (or those people think have fortunes because they're famous, but are surprisingly not that far removed from us in many cases) when the backbone of entertainment relies on people who work gigs all the time doing B and C list stuff living on paychecks and residuals or even working other 'real' jobs. The Leos and Tom Cruises of the world are exceptions, when the bulk of people striking are those whose names you'll never know, but the entertainment industry relies on and exploits them for just about everything we consume. It's much easier to sympathize with a UPS strike when there are no celebrity figureheads and everyone knows and needs their local drivers/handlers, when really both lines of work are just as valid and blue collar for the majority of those who need these strikes to pull through for them when you get down to it.
YEah like what was the number 86% of members don't qualify for the health insurance which you only get after 26k in earnings? Like, most actors are living in poverty, and that's not even an exaggeration.
@@alexisborden3191 because in my experience it's almost always contract labor you rely on for your bread and butter, you're F U C K E D for insurance in any media/entertainment job and just about everyone I know working in this business lives from gig to gig
I absolutely love these videos.
There's one big thing you missed here, Slap. The difference between UPS, railroad and the SAG-AFTRA/WGA strikes?
People don't think that the arts in general are worth anything.
You guys out there hauling boxes and doing hard manual labour to get people stuff? That there is considered "honest work" and worth paying good wages for
Any of the arts, be it writing, acting, painting, playing music? People don't feel it's actually worth paying for. And all the AI and streaming is just enabling people to not pay artists fair wages
That is true. As important as art is for society, it often gets overlooked. I think it's obvious that it's important, but the average joe might not and I just assumed everyone thinks it's as important as I do.
@@s1ap396Oh absolutely, without question. There are loads of people out there who don't think about artists getting paid or, worse still, think it's better for the artist to suffer and struggle on their way to "earn" fair compensation. The starving artist trope still lives on.
It's not just artists. The same argument exists for minor league baseballers getting paid below the poverty line to "grind and hustle" their way to the major leagues. Same argument in favour for (until recently with NIL deals) college athletes getting nothing for the massive value they generate.
Whereas actually paying them a living wage would improve their life to the point they might actually be able to prosper and be better
I support pretty much all strikes power to the workers.
There’s also an upcoming strike with the GM/Ford/Dodge and the UAW coming 9/15
We need more strikes. We need a general strike in this country. Want the best way to bring the system down? Bring the economy that ain't doing shit for you to a fucking halt! Too many people thinking the best way to get back at the system is to basically target different groups of minorities and publically be an asshole when that doesn't do shit but further divide us and keep us from collectively sending a message against the entire ultra rich/elite class. Support the common people over the elites who think they have a right to rule us because of their status.
Another s1ap banger!
What the Writers and Actors should do is promote the stories of those average Joe's working in Hollywood instead of all the big names I've seen all the attention focusing on.
S1ap driving in his car talking off the cuff and it's hella based, we truly live in a magical world 😩
Are you kidding me, without the SAG-AFTRA Strike... UPS would never start an Uprising along with the other handful of Strikes... Come On?!... 😤🙄😒
Why do I care about Hollywood actors? I hope it all collapses and the 2010s is known as the peak of Hollywood media. There's too many wannabe actors taking 3 lines in a movie and expecting to make 40k a year. I work 40 hours a week for 30k a year. I frankly do not give a hoot about these actors finding their labor devalued. And I don't watch movies either, I don't care what they make.
The actor playing 3 lines in a year and asking for 40k doesn't exist. That's just a guy you made up. Seems like a lot of effort for people you don't care about.
If you found the effort to comment maybe you could find the effort to read about what they're actually striking about, that being general minimum rates(ie the stuff any random working actor makes not the celebrities), streaming residuals(which they used to get from theatre and tv but aren't getting from streaming services), and safeguards against having their likeness exploited by use of AI.
But then again I can just as easily not care about whatever the fuck you do and not believe you deserve to be paid a living wage either.
@alexisborden3191 I didn't make him up when Slap said it. I'm just responding to his talking points. They could make 80k a year or 20k a year and still strike. I think being an actor is privilege and not a viable lifetime career for anyone except the top 0.1%.
@@Saltiren Ok, none of what your saying is even relevant to the question. They are for the most part operating in LA with fucked housing market, and want to at least be paid at a rate that affords them a reasonable living. No one is asking for a flat rate minimum 3 lines a year. You're just making up a guy to be mad at when the actors have legitimate grievances regarding pay not keeping pace with cost of living, especially lately, residuals being taken away via streaming, and AI replacement(which is more of a future thing but still). Do you think someone should be able to act, for 40 hours a week, and live off of that? We'll say 40 average, there's time off between and time with more than that we'll say it averages to 40. Does this person deserve to afford their groceries, rent, car, and some entertainment?
@alexisborden3191 I am NOT making up a guy to be mad at. For the second time in this comment thread, I am telling you I am responding to what Slap said. Please stop saying I am making up any sort of guy. I am clearly responding to what Slap said in this very video we are commenting on. I won't continue this discussion until you at least acknowledge you understand what I'm talking about. Either there is a major misunderstanding or you've purposefully chosen to be ignorant. I wish to clear this up but I acknowledge this is also halting discussion, possibly giving you what you want. A tough choice but I'll acquiesce to you.
Here's a better question. Why are you getting angry at others trying to get a better deal for themselves and not getting angry at the people screwing YOU out of a better deal?
40hr work week for 30k a year? Really?