I know this is an older post on this lacing, but I have referred back to this video and the drive side lacing video many times when I have needed to lace a new rim and hub. Simple straight forward instructions. Greta video, Mike.
Don't be stupid like me and listen to the comments. Non-drive side 1st spoke entry point is ~160 degrees not 180 degrees. If you do make it wrong then half the spokes will be in too deep the rim (max to the nipple). And you can only notice it once you start tightening all the nipples more.I had to re-lace the non-drive side to get it correct. Awesome tutorial. Thank you so much for posting this. So easy to follow along.
I have confidence this chap is an excellent wheel builder, but his explanation paired with the shakey and vague camera work makes something that's already a little tricky way more complicated than it needs to be. Definitely one of the harder to follow wheel build videoss I've used.
Thanks Mike, great video and explaining as you go along. like everyone else the only one problem was on the start of the non drive side but it was quite obvious . I had tried someone else's pdf and video instruction on a front wheel and it took me several hours to get it right. A good instructor always makes the job easier. Thanks.
I started out wrong where the parallel spokes were not inline with the presta outlet so I havd to start over but I just finished my first wheel EVER! 3.5 hrs total time for front 32 spoke 26" wheel. :)
Great video. However, on my hub it wasn't straight-forward at all which hole to put the spokes through to come out through the "larger gap". Also the first non-drive side spoke that goes next to the valve hole was NOT opposite the other spoke but at about 160'. So it took a while for the prophecy to self-fulfill on my wheel!
Nice how to video. Help me understand what load is being transferred by having the spokes rub together? Both spokes move laterally as a static pair. There are no opposing forces at the intersection pulling the two spokes into equilibrium. Isn’t this just a matter of connivance in that there is lot less spoke bending and finessing required for assembly. Clue me in if I’m all wet. Thanks.
I laced the drive side, but now the other side has spokes that aren't reaching the nipple and is causing the hub to be twisted or off to one side. How do I fix this?
Move each of the 8 spokes over 1 hole and they'll all fit perfectly. Just eyeball it out before u put in the 1st spoke and u'll see where it goes...its never directly across as he states in the video.
When lacing the first set of spokes on this side, he incorrectly states they need to drop into the larger gap (55s). They don't! They need to be persuaded past the small triangle which he says is incorrect but shows (1:10s), or else some spokes will be too short/long and the hub will end up twisted. It took me several re-lacings and looking at another wheel to figure this out.
Mine is 32 spokes but the non drive side is lace completely without missing any gap I wanted to change the hub and put another hub then lace the spoke on the new hub...am confused now
i just completed my wheel after 7seven hours (: i havent even trued dished or reinstalld discs and cassett yet i spend about 1 of the hours going though every spoke to figure out which ones were longer because i mixed them up then i stopped following my video but ended with the same result as you thanks anyway
second part didn't work for me (hope Pro2 evo, carbon rim). it was off by 1 hole (some short, some way too long). turn out my innings do have to be closer to the large triangle (have to push with thumb to fit) rather than open space he states. Had to relace 3 times until I said forget it and picked and existing wheel to copy and noticed that it was off by 1 (3x cross).
As others have pointed out - goes wrong when lacing the innys. Should NOT select the hole on the otherside of the hub opposite the valve hole, Rather use the spokes on the other side of the hub as a guide ... the hub holes are offset on either side and run the spoke to follow one on the other side to the rim hole adjacent. You have to do this because the spokes are the same length (appart from a couple of mm difference bw drive / non-drive)
If you do just one "outie" on the drive side and then put your "innies" from the non-drive through you will be able to put gaffer tape around them to keep them out of the way. They are harder to put in with 16 spokes nippled on the drive side. And what about the principle of "outie" spokes being in the "tension direction? And what about the half hole offset between one side and the other? This guy may know how to do it but he oversimplifies.
Useing words like shrapnel incorrectly only make you sound foolish ! Shrapnel is made through an explosion. What you are referring too is mettle filings or simply drill chips . You will never hear them but they can work ther way in to causeing tube leaks , that aside thank you for your video I used it step by step to lace my wheel it worked as it showed thanx .
Not a good video if you are trying to lace your wheels. Poor vocabulary choices with unclear directions and unreliable statements. This will ruin the surface finish of your spokes if they are not raw. If you have a 6 bolt flange for disks, it only gets worse. This video is not a good source to lace your wheel.
Dude, why not show the finished product?? Well, I know why, because your "pattern" can not work. Anyone who got to the final 8 spokes on the non-drive side it just ....um.......a little angry right now.
Beginning at 2:14 is what save me from going crazy. I spent 3 days messing up the non-drive side and could not figure out why. Thanks for the video.
Lol. I am going through the same headache right now.
I know this is an older post on this lacing, but I have referred back to this video and the drive side lacing video many times when I have needed to lace a new rim and hub. Simple straight forward instructions. Greta video, Mike.
Don't be stupid like me and listen to the comments. Non-drive side 1st spoke entry point is ~160 degrees not 180 degrees. If you do make it wrong then half the spokes will be in too deep the rim (max to the nipple). And you can only notice it once you start tightening all the nipples more.I had to re-lace the non-drive side to get it correct. Awesome tutorial. Thank you so much for posting this. So easy to follow along.
I have confidence this chap is an excellent wheel builder, but his explanation paired with the shakey and vague camera work makes something that's already a little tricky way more complicated than it needs to be. Definitely one of the harder to follow wheel build videoss I've used.
Thanks Mike, great video and explaining as you go along. like everyone else the only one problem was on the start of the non drive side but it was quite obvious . I had tried someone else's pdf and video instruction on a front wheel and it took me several hours to get it right. A good instructor always makes the job easier. Thanks.
This is still the best lacing video on youtube
I don't know how I got to this video. But it was helpful :)
Thanks!
I always wanted to know how to do this.
Thank you so much. Great video☺️
Best video ever seen about making wheels. Thanks for sharing.
Great videos, you did a terrific job explaining the process as you laced the wheel.
thanks just finished cross lacing a 36h wheel from this video as you explained it better than the video for 36h wheel, thanks :D
Cheers bud! Just built myself a lovely rear wheel using a Hope Hub pro 3 laced to a Mavic rim. Looks and rides great!
Cheers!
I started out wrong where the parallel spokes were not inline with the presta outlet so I havd to start over but I just finished my first wheel EVER! 3.5 hrs total time for front 32 spoke 26" wheel. :)
Great video. However, on my hub it wasn't straight-forward at all which hole to put the spokes through to come out through the "larger gap". Also the first non-drive side spoke that goes next to the valve hole was NOT opposite the other spoke but at about 160'.
So it took a while for the prophecy to self-fulfill on my wheel!
Thank you!! I tried it four time, but finally got it! ;) :P
are you guys going to bring back the old hosts? (Jim and the other guy). because they were friggin hilarious. and the subtitles too haha
thank you verry much i was able to complete 2, 32 spoke wheels
VERY HELPFUL THANKS I FOLLOW THIS INSTRUCTIONS WITH MY WIFE WE DID IT !!!!!!!!!
Nice how to video.
Help me understand what load is being transferred by having the spokes rub together? Both spokes move laterally as a static pair. There are no opposing forces at the intersection pulling the two spokes into equilibrium. Isn’t this just a matter of connivance in that there is lot less spoke bending and finessing required for assembly. Clue me in if I’m all wet. Thanks.
Your video was helpful....thanks
great two part vid
thanks, im now lacing my third wheel!
Thank you,A very helpful video.A nice detailed tutorial..Great....
hello is there a drive side lacing is there a diiferenace thanks jim
Cheers for this, really helpful guide!
Hopefully soon, definitely trying to get it done!
Nice job. Worked perfectly!
Do you need to use the valve hole as a reference point? Or could you use a logo or certain spot on the rim?
I laced the drive side, but now the other side has spokes that aren't reaching the nipple and is causing the hub to be twisted or off to one side. How do I fix this?
that's what has been happening to me. the first one i built turned out fine, but the second gave me a lot of trouble. i don't get it
Steve Nast some hubs need different length spokes for each side
Move each of the 8 spokes over 1 hole and they'll all fit perfectly. Just eyeball it out before u put in the 1st spoke and u'll see where it goes...its never directly across as he states in the video.
Hi sir i exactly did what your pattern is. But other spokes come out of the rim..
what's the procedure lacing 2 cross 32 spoke wheel? do i have to skip every other 3 holes instead of four and then over, under?
Thank you so much.
Awesome video!
Do you think its cheaper to build your own wheel instead of buying a complete one of similar quality?
THANK YOU!! Appreciate the video!! Cm
very good video and very useful thank you
thankoyu so much. really detailed video. you are a legend !!!!!!!!
When lacing the first set of spokes on this side, he incorrectly states they need to drop into the larger gap (55s). They don't! They need to be persuaded past the small triangle which he says is incorrect but shows (1:10s), or else some spokes will be too short/long and the hub will end up twisted. It took me several re-lacings and looking at another wheel to figure this out.
Maybe your hubs are different than most. I've laced several sets of wheels just like he says (dropped into the larger gap) and it works great.
This saved my sanity 🫡
Nice tutorial, man. :)
Do you use different length spokes for the drive side?
Thanks
Mine is 32 spokes but the non drive side is lace completely without missing any gap I wanted to change the hub and put another hub then lace the spoke on the new hub...am confused now
@thebiketube Quick reply! Thx! I am a subscriber so will look forward to it. Lovely videoes btw. Keep em coming!
i just completed my wheel after 7seven hours (: i havent even trued dished or reinstalld discs and cassett yet i spend about 1 of the hours going though every spoke to figure out which ones were longer because i mixed them up then i stopped following my video but ended with the same result as you thanks anyway
Why does it get hard after the 4th spoke laced in on the non drive?
So when is the truing part coming? :)
second part didn't work for me (hope Pro2 evo, carbon rim). it was off by 1 hole (some short, some way too long). turn out my innings do have to be closer to the large triangle (have to push with thumb to fit) rather than open space he states. Had to relace 3 times until I said forget it and picked and existing wheel to copy and noticed that it was off by 1 (3x cross).
Yep the second part is wrong for me too
Ah! Me too the outtie non-drive side last ones were all way to long.. but the pattern looks like my front, are they different?
i've built everything from cars to motorcycles to medical equipment, and this does not work for me
Me Aldo
How is this correct? One of the spokes next to the valve is an outie, but the other is an innie. That's not symmetric.
As others have pointed out - goes wrong when lacing the innys. Should NOT select the hole on the otherside of the hub opposite the valve hole, Rather use the spokes on the other side of the hub as a guide ... the hub holes are offset on either side and run the spoke to follow one on the other side to the rim hole adjacent. You have to do this because the spokes are the same length (appart from a couple of mm difference bw drive / non-drive)
On a rear wheel, yes. They're slightly shorter.
Thanks for the vid
hi can you please tell me wat the tool is called that is used to true a wheel up
spoke wrench
no i mean the tool tht u spin the wheel on to see if it is true i can see 1 on his bench in the background it looks like its folded up
dish stick/dishing gauge
ohh cheers :)
Very Nice
I'd rather use a 36-hole rims for 27.5 or 29er. Lacing 36 holes is quite easy
If you do just one "outie" on the drive side and then put your "innies" from the non-drive through you will be able to put gaffer tape around them to keep them out of the way. They are harder to put in with 16 spokes nippled on the drive side. And what about the principle of "outie" spokes being in the "tension direction? And what about the half hole offset between one side and the other? This guy may know how to do it but he oversimplifies.
Useing words like shrapnel incorrectly only make you sound foolish ! Shrapnel is made through an explosion. What you are referring too is mettle filings or simply drill chips . You will never hear them but they can work ther way in to causeing tube leaks , that aside thank you for your video I used it step by step to lace my wheel it worked as it showed thanx .
I don't understand how I can build a 6.1 l diesel engine from a block and have it running in 4 days and I can't understand this
Why not run all in spokes first...?
thank you, good video ,on the road agean gust cant wate to get on the road
i hope to build my own wheels someday.
so hell boy is now lacing wheels , wtf
I always wondered how plumbuses are made
Joe! that's his name
That's what dishing does.
Now a days. Last part is over over over under (3x).. if you do it his was it last spokes will be sticking out way to high.
Great, It wasn't to difficult actually. Not after watching this anyway.
truing included.
better thread the non drive side before starting to lace!
Not a good video if you are trying to lace your wheels. Poor vocabulary choices with unclear directions and unreliable statements. This will ruin the surface finish of your spokes if they are not raw. If you have a 6 bolt flange for disks, it only gets worse. This video is not a good source to lace your wheel.
Dude, why not show the finished product?? Well, I know why, because your "pattern" can not work. Anyone who got to the final 8 spokes on the non-drive side it just ....um.......a little angry right now.
ok radial it is lol
Nope! This is all Wrong! Just saying. I watched this once or twice.. bang! I built my own wheel hahe.
Thpoketh
BULL!!!
I lost two nipples and broke my mother's toaster. Kids, don't try this at home.
Thanks for the vid!
painfull to watch ..there is a much easier method..
Awesome video 👍
Hi sir i exactly did what your pattern is. But other spokes come out of the rim..