Honestly the main reason why I am hyped for Reboot Camp is because I think Lash will actually be good in her tier in that format. No coom towers means slower and more defensive playstyles being stronger, and no Kindle that can scare Lash off her cities sound like Lash could actually find a good place there.
You know, considering she invented basically everything black hole uses it's kinda strange she doesn't utilize any of those inventions directly. Imagine if her CO power let her strike a single enemy unit with an off-map black cannon strike in addition to it normal effects. Maybe her Super CO power would let her aim a laser beam instead of doubling terrain stars?
The biggest problem I always encounter while playing Lash is that you want to use CO powers offensively, but prime tactics doesn't really work for that. Your opponent probably isn't going to park all their units right next to forests and properties and leave those tiles unoccupied, they'll stand on them and take the terrain stars for themselves, then you have to attack them from the adjacent roads or plains. It works great defensively, which makes it feel oppressive in campaign since you're trying to get your speed stars and don't want to take a turn off, but you very rarely want to use your own super power just to make your opponent hang back for a turn and then kill you.
Personally I pick CO's not based on skills/CO power but out of preference. Sure on maps with mostly plain terrain Lash is not the best choice, but what from campaign mode has taught me is how to work with what you got and enjoy playing with your favorite CO.
What if both of her powers would always grant her units the full 10% defence per terrain star while they are active? Like a 2 health unit on a city would still get 30/60% defence instead of the 6/12% it would normally get
Another weakness is that air units don't benefit at all from her strong points and most maps tend to have at least one airport. Other T3 do not have especially strong air units but they scale as well as land units during powers while Lash ones don't.
An interesting idea to buff her powers is to make them override the defense scaling for their duration: basically, it doesn't matter if a unit is at full HP, or at 10%, the damage you're gonna do is the same.
Hello Mangs and Thanks for the video. As a map maker i try that's everything is okay. That's why on my map "The legend is born" (the 10 map of the egg cup season 2) there an area with heavy terrain and the center is open with shoals mainly. So Lash and kiddle can perform very well on T3 on the hq side, while the other co like Rachel and drake will be far better on the center creating 2 type of gameplay on the same map on the same tiers.
Personally, I feel like you should also do one on grimm, given that he also looks alluring on paper, but as soon as you actually play him, you find out just how bad the defence reduction is.
Really great breakdown of the Lash situation, as it were. It really highlights why she tends to not be able to pull it out in the late game. My experience with her in AWBW definitely leans to her being very strong at the onset of the match and favoring aggressive playstyles, but she falls off hard starting in the mid game. If they want to make her more competitive in T3 they should consider making her power and super both one star cheaper so they at least come in a little more frequently.
The real question is, can you fix her?
Goth gf so 10/10 tbh
Honestly the main reason why I am hyped for Reboot Camp is because I think Lash will actually be good in her tier in that format. No coom towers means slower and more defensive playstyles being stronger, and no Kindle that can scare Lash off her cities sound like Lash could actually find a good place there.
You know, considering she invented basically everything black hole uses it's kinda strange she doesn't utilize any of those inventions directly. Imagine if her CO power let her strike a single enemy unit with an off-map black cannon strike in addition to it normal effects. Maybe her Super CO power would let her aim a laser beam instead of doubling terrain stars?
The biggest problem I always encounter while playing Lash is that you want to use CO powers offensively, but prime tactics doesn't really work for that. Your opponent probably isn't going to park all their units right next to forests and properties and leave those tiles unoccupied, they'll stand on them and take the terrain stars for themselves, then you have to attack them from the adjacent roads or plains. It works great defensively, which makes it feel oppressive in campaign since you're trying to get your speed stars and don't want to take a turn off, but you very rarely want to use your own super power just to make your opponent hang back for a turn and then kill you.
I am NOT. OVERRATED.
Don't bash the Lash! It would be great to see a video of you proving your Lash is trash theory.
Personally I pick CO's not based on skills/CO power but out of preference. Sure on maps with mostly plain terrain Lash is not the best choice, but what from campaign mode has taught me is how to work with what you got and enjoy playing with your favorite CO.
What if both of her powers would always grant her units the full 10% defence per terrain star while they are active? Like a 2 health unit on a city would still get 30/60% defence instead of the 6/12% it would normally get
Kindle should not be tier 3 lol
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Another weakness is that air units don't benefit at all from her strong points and most maps tend to have at least one airport. Other T3 do not have especially strong air units but they scale as well as land units during powers while Lash ones don't.
You forgot to mention an important factor for her overrated status : the psychological factor.
An interesting idea to buff her powers is to make them override the defense scaling for their duration: basically, it doesn't matter if a unit is at full HP, or at 10%, the damage you're gonna do is the same.
I never knew about that hidden mechanic of damaged units getting less defense on properties. This was a really interesting video Mangs.
I had no idea that terrain stars scaled with health :O A great informational video about Lash, and why to not often pick her. Thanks!
Hello Mangs and Thanks for the video. As a map maker i try that's everything is okay. That's why on my map "The legend is born" (the 10 map of the egg cup season 2) there an area with heavy terrain and the center is open with shoals mainly. So Lash and kiddle can perform very well on T3 on the hq side, while the other co like Rachel and drake will be far better on the center creating 2 type of gameplay on the same map on the same tiers.
Personally, I feel like you should also do one on grimm, given that he also looks alluring on paper, but as soon as you actually play him, you find out just how bad the defence reduction is.
I used to play Lash quite a fair bit before settling with the other T3 COs and not really touching Lash afterwards.
Really great breakdown of the Lash situation, as it were. It really highlights why she tends to not be able to pull it out in the late game. My experience with her in AWBW definitely leans to her being very strong at the onset of the match and favoring aggressive playstyles, but she falls off hard starting in the mid game. If they want to make her more competitive in T3 they should consider making her power and super both one star cheaper so they at least come in a little more frequently.