I Have 2 audiopipe triple stack 12s and ive never been a skar audio fan honestly but this video actually makes sense and you do a good job explaining it, well done.
Honestly I've had both subs about the Audiopipe first and I liked it but it just didn't hit us hard in my box when I bought the skar Audio I fell in love with it they hit just right on every note so honestly the skar audio evl for the win
Needed more power maybe and a custom box there great I almost got two 15’s from them but decided on sundown still thinking about getting some when I can for another build
I have a Bdc4 12 in a 3cuft box tuned to 32hz with a 4 inch aero port and it absolutely slaps hard af and sounds very very good. The bdc4 has an Fs in the mid 20's, if the designers were aiming for a spl sub, it wouldn't be that low, but sq subs are. And the Skar evl subs sound like shit compared to the Audiopipe bdc4, the quality of the bass output just sounds more deeper and cleaner. Whereas the skar sounds cheap and sloppy.
The EVL subwoofer is a horrible driver. If a person, looks at the TSP'S... they'll understand. And it has a horrible motor structure, and low BL. It is highly inefficient.
I was nervous as all Hell when I bought the BDC2s. But now, one year later.... all 4 of my 12 inch BDC2s are killing it. They shake the living crap outta my van. In the middle of building a custom box for them now. 11 cubic ft. Tuned to 36. On a APCLE30001.D. 2 ohms. Love my A.P. Oh.... and I made this purchase thanks to videos and reviews by people like you dude. Thanks for all the work you put in. Makes the world a little less stressful . 👍
Another great video. A lot of people talk about how good the evl sounds but for the bdc’s you just hear about how they bang. I haven’t heard either one in person but it wouldn’t be a question for me especially with the prices being a lot closer than they used to be
In reading the comment thread, it appears the same as all car audio sub videos...People praising one sub and trashing the other😳Its like back in Jr. High-school when depending on what brand of shoes you wore (Nike vs Adidas) determined who was cooler🤣 Yall stop it🖐🤣 If you dont have much money to throw at a car audio build then get what works in your budget and match it all up correctly 👍Almost ALL of these subwoofer companies are built from the same Chinese Buildhouses and are priced accordingly..You get what you pay for will almost always ring true 👍 I personally can only afford the Skar SDR 12's for now and feeding them the right amount of power...in the recommended enclosure..an EQ to clean the sound up a little...a 160 amp alternator to keep up the voltage at around 13.7 to 14 volts at full tilt...and for the money I spent....I have no complaints🤠The only ones complaining are the Karen's at a stop light when I turn it up😳😳😳😳🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠
@@BudgetBassHead I have seen so many times in comment threads where someone (just because of not knowing) will go get a 3k monoblock amp...a pair of 600 watt Rms subs but say 1200 watt max...run it on a 90 amp alternator...and then say ALL OF IT IS TRASH because "it didn't work!" 🤕😳🤣🤣AMP IN PROTECT MODE BECAUSE OF TO LOW VOLTAGE 😳😳Subs confused on what the hell they supposed to be doing and making throw up sounds🤕🤣🤣Alternator glowing red and sounding like a turbocharger 🤠A box tuned to 50 hertz from Amazon and the subs unloading and beating the voice coil to hell and back😳Then say....." !&%$#&%@" 👈 This brand sucks🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Oh and I forgot the ole "I only had my gain turned half way up" because they thought it was a volume knob😬😬😂😂😂😂🤣
Love the details!! This is something that I have honestly not looked into. I usually look at Watts, RMS , Hertz, etc. But never looked into SPL or etc…. Thanks for the education.
It really depends on the type of music you listen to. I listen to more techno, so I would choose the Audiopipe out of these two. But in reality I jam to the Sundown U 12 has an fs of 42 hz
@@Timelinejumper Fs. This parameter is the free-air resonant frequency of a speaker. Simply stated, it is the point at which the weight of the moving parts of the speaker becomes balanced with the force of the speaker suspension when in motion. For sub bass its ideal to have a lower Fs if you want that lower bass feel, the higher the Fs the harder it is to achieve the lower bass notes, and the same goes for the opposite, the lower the Fs the harder for the woofer to hit the high notes. I like high notes that really go loud
Got 2 bdc4's in octaport box and they str8 bang..I get the same sound off 5k and 1k. 5k just shakes more stuff in my car....but bdc4 definitely sounds better than the evl's any day. I had evl and zvx and personally wasn't impressed with smart at all. Their amps are good tho. Had my sk3500 for a while now and no issues. Half ohm daily for bout 6 months
@@BudgetBassHead sk series is worth it if you can find one used n good shape....wouldn't fork out that money on a new one tho. Too many better options lol
Actually they use the evl in spl all the time! If you also read it say they are conservatively rated which means the evl takes more then what they say! Just like the skar amps put out more rms then what they say!
You should explain and go over the actual design features and T/S parameters that would lend the subwoofer more towards the SQL vs SPL or SQ instead of just reading the marketing propaganda.
You skipped right over the part where on the audiopipe manual it said its a sound quality subwoofer. Also the spec's and manual of the audiopipe is there to download. I would consider the the audiopipe a sq/spl subwoofer as well do to its mega roll i just dont see it being strictly a sq subwoofer. The sundown sa series is a sq subwoofer for example.
Yeah I own Audiopipe subwoofers and I don't know if there's even a showroom where you can hear any of their products I didn't find anybody with a display with any mid-size or supposed but then I didn't look that hard when I was looking i ended up buying used 3 years ago and there still slappen
so had 2 of the audio pipe subs man they bang!!! had em in a 30hz box first had a crossfire 1k then upgraded to a taramps 3k then a taramps 5k and they handled it i just smoked 1 sub the other day after 2 years of having them not too bad was looking into either 2 EVL or saying screw it and getting another 2 of the AP's lol
I never go by descriptions, only specs such as fs, qts, xmaxx, winding etc. The specs, once learned how to read em, will tell you the subs character, but low budget companies generally fabricate their specs. The specs aren't just there yo take up print space
I'm lean towards sq more than spl. My new alpine type x 12s bump but for there price range come no were close to cheaper subs for spl purposes. On the other hand they sound way better than other subs at a price of $600 they better. I'd go with the scar because you can play a wider genre of music instead of just that one thing that the audiopipe can do.
I have 6 audiopipe bdc412's on 3 wolfram c2400's. Cant go wrong with the bdc4 or evl ...p.s. I make people with skar systems think twice about their purchase 😂😂
I think audiopipe is hard to beat even if they are the same price. I think audiopipe subs have plenty of responsiveness/ SQ and definitely can hit low. I think people like the skar frame but the audiopipes look more beastly to me. I have 2 - 10" BDC2 and an audiopipe TSPP2 15". Best budget subs out there for < $100. Apmi 2k treats me well
I love the fact that he is reading the marketing material as if it actually holds any weight as far as what the subwoofer is designed for. It is marketing fluff that is designed to make the item sound more appealing {No pun intended), very little actual technical info used. Lol
Great video and comments about Sq vs spl. I want a Sq setup in a 1.5 cubic ft ported box plus or minus .25 so I still have a usable trunk in my charger. With a 300x4 pushing my mids and highs and anywhere from 600-1000 rms for subs. I either want one 10" or two 8"s. With all your sub testing experience what would you choose between JL W7, resilient sound gold, ssaudio f8l, wolfram ag10, American bass xfl10, sundown sav2, skar svr or evl, dd audio 710d, sundown x10, Memphis mjm8, or kicker 42cwq?
Going for SQ and want a ported box? I went with Image Dynamics as I had a couple BNIB 10s lying around and put them in a sealed box. Sending them about 350 watts watch through an XR-1S and sound great.
@@BenaresDarkness So have and I'm not any kind of fanboy I like what works and that Audiopipe price tag \ performance is really hard to beat IMO and I've owned a few Skar products and some of there build quality standards are suspect but that was there amplifier line but there higher end subs were great I guess it comes down to the old saying to each his own 🔊🔊🔊 👍🏽👊🏽✌🏽💯
How do these compare to the AB XFL12s? I have one AP bdc2 12, looking to upgrade to 2 12s at ~2000-3000w rms (Sundown Salt 3), trying to decide between the bdc4 and the American Bass XFL
@@deemoney6570 Skar amps don't come close to Audiopipe amps. Audiopipe apcle 1800 can be ran at .5 but if you try that with a RP amp you going to blow it up.
I like my zvx-8 better than the evl-12 how it felt at least wanting to upgrade to a VXF but on same power I Dont Know if it will be better than my evl-12
@@Banshee421x I've seen 2 take around 3900 to 4200 and last awhile. The only reason they quit working was because the guy was running them in a box tuned at 24hz and overpowering them an after a few months the spiders tore but the coil was fine it didn't blow.
Tsp's control all. Power handling doesn't necessarily effect sq, but typically a stiff suspension, significant inductance, terrible fs and qts all create trash sq. Disregard manufacturers claims for purpose and go by what the sub says.
I really enjoy your video but I can definitely say it was very biased I am currently running the evl8 on 1200 w and they are smoking and smelling bad I believe I will be going with audiopipe
I have 8k 1ohm amp and need 2-dual 15's subwoofers that can handle continuous play any suggestions on subs?? I ordered the EMF Banhammer V2s but they not ready ship yet so what's out there for performance
I've seen both do well, I've also seen both come apart because not being glued properly. if i was spending my money id go with AP, I've seen less of them tear apart.
The Skar basket has been used on so many different subs its like a cookie cutter design that the Chinese use in there sweat house\build houses its totally generic and I've seen them break on a few different occasions But that's kind of a shallow way to judge what a subwoofer will and can do
Or maybe the cone and the dust cap. Incase the coil get burn it is hard to chnage. . Lot of change if you replace the coil. Unlike there is a dust cap it easy to change. Only the coil is your problem. But both of the sub are good
@@raulfernandez9111 Thats totally true it absolutely wld be allot more work to rebuild I've just owned both but in the 15 inch version and for me and my "SHALLOW" music preferences lol the Audiopipe was the better buy But to each his own .All n all there both going to pound if you put it all together correctly 🔊🔊🔊 👍🏽👊🏽✌🏽💯
It's funny you mention EVL-12 because yesterday I figured out what I thought was to be a blown evl-12 ended up being cooked 0 gauge that was copper clad aluminum wire not OFC. It cooked the output side of my 250A ANL fuse holder under the hood and the wire was dry and turning into dust. It reminded me of the time I took a torch lighter to a soda can and burned a hole right through it. It looks similar to that.
@@BudgetBassHead well I would have thought so too but you know what it did it slowly disable my amplifier to the point where they wouldn't turn on fully but they would turn on and then no relay. I'm in the process of putting the video together and when it's done I'll show you it's ridiculous how bad that wire got I would stay away from copper clad aluminum if I can help it.
I don't know about comparing it to anything else but I bought an EVL 15-in loaded enclosure to get some bass in my ride on the cheap and easy...and damn it flexes my Highlander something fierce. Doubt you can do a whole lot better for 370 bucks. 15 in digs a little deeper than the 12 and I like that. All I did was 1/0 big three and everything else electrical is stock still. Listening to scar haters and other manufacturer Fanboys in here is hilarious. Some guys with more than one post because nobody answered their first troll... This hobby is funny.
@@snauspockets9924 ua-cam.com/video/NNGm3xknxKI/v-deo.html Not my video but here is 2 of those bdc4 12s. I'm getting stuff together for my system I ordered me a Resilient sounds team 15 it's a monster sub it weighs 135 pounds 5000w rms and can take 7500w all day long.
I’ve had 12 12” subs and the 110$ skar entree sub is absolutely garbage won’t buy scar ever again too much mechanical noise and smokes up on 400w CLEAN POWER adjusted with smd tools before you all say something I’ve been trying to warranty it but can’t so it’s been sitting for a year
Honestly a sub is just a sub and only makes up 20% of the equation. Personally having a Skar in my collection as well as the bdc4 I feel that there are features that skar needs to seriously improve on with their subs and then there are features that Audiopipe needs to improve on but that Audiopipe having a 4 layer 3" solid copper voicecoil coated in the black 500° adhesive is a HUGE PLUS in my eyes unlike the copper clad aluminum on the skar! If you reference any type of audio equipment the enclosure is 50% of the audio reproduction, the amp is 30% and then the driver is the final 20% My point being, you can take a $1300 JL Audio W7 13.5 and stuff it in a crappy enclosure and use a crappy amp and get crappy sound. You could also use a high end amp, high end enclosure and a cheap $100 subwoofer and it sound better than that JL powered by a crappy amp and in a crappy enclosure! I just think skar is way overrated for what it is along with Sundown and a few others, like fads they'll fade and people will move on to the next best thing... I'm a numbers guy and if you compare numbers and specs to specs I feel the Audiopipe is the better buy "if you can feed it the power it needs and have the space for the box it needs" but if you're going with a cheap amp and cheap box get the Skar as it'll preform better!
I don't understand your percentage ratios. Where does this analogy derive from? By the way, the coil on the BDC4 is not coated in a black adhesive. And the reason JL Audio has a $1,300 subwoofer is because a sub isn't just a sub. I do agree that both these companies could improve, that's part of this hobby; to influence them to improve. But could you clarify how Skar and Sundown could have, collectively, 25 years of operations; become '...like fads...'?
@@BudgetBassHead I'll start with saying I love your videos and my comment was more about understanding that nearly any sub can sound good or bad depending on the amp and enclosure! But to clarify, both of my TXX-BDC4-15-D2's have solid copper wire 4 layer voicecoils that are coated in a black high temp adhesive as that's one of the first things I look at when I buy a sub. So if yours doesn't then it must have the BD4 coil but the high temp solid copper coil is one of the major upgrades from the BD4 to the BDC4. I can't explain why yours wouldn't have it otherwise. It's ok to question percentages but if you refer to Hoffmans Iron laws you'll start hearing the laws of percentages when combining components, these percentages fluctuate with components but the base is 50% enclosure, 30% amplifier/ electrical and 20% being the subwoofer itself. The enclosure you build is going to have the most impact on your drivers performance as well as the sound output you get and what you build for is what you're going to get. Being that a subwoofer operates within 20-100hz or 30-80hz for most builds there's really not much "sq" you can achieve from one sub to another in this tiny window and that is my point. The enclosure is where you get all your performance from and why your sub box should be built to your needs within the subs specs. I had noticed in your video that you put the skar in the same box as the Audiopipe and that will likely affect the performance as the skar calls for a smaller enclosure and the Audiopipe needs one a bit larger. But at least 70% of people watching that video aren't building/ buying custom made boxes for the subs they're running but rather a prefab that will have a result favoring the skar anyways! I'm glad you agree with me that both Audiopipe and Skar can improve as I'm not trying to argue but I see a problem with people flocking to Skar and Sundown. This to me is embracing a copycat society and personally I don't like it. I mean what happened to companies being original and making their own things. You see Kicker, Rockford, JL Audio, Alpine, Audiopipe and others as well as companies that are now gone using their own baskets, cones, motors and other components making their sub "their own" while Skar, Sundown, American Bass, Toro and other companies that all have their products made in the exact same build house over in China are literally using the same exact baskets, motors, surrounds, cones, ect. resulting in almost "copied subs with different logos". You see this on the Skar you compared to the Audiopipe where the Skar has two spacers between its generic basket and the motor "magnet" as well as the surround and cone both being on other companies subs. While Audiopipe is using a surround, dustcap and basket that's made specifically for them and won't be on other subs! My personal dislike for the Audiopipe is the set of somewhat weak plastic terminals it has but overall has my vote as the better sub just by being original... When I go to a audio meet and see a build with these copycat subwoofers I'm actually disgusted despite giving credit for a custom build though this is exactly why I now only own one Skar subwoofer and being it's a discontinued model that's rarely seen these days I keep it. I'd rather be the person that's disliked for being original than one of the copycats that has the exact same system 10 other guys have at the same meet! As it is right now I'm the only guy at my local meets running L7's with KXA amps in one of my builds and once I'm done I'll also be the only guy running a pair of 15" BDC4's in a custom made 5th order bass reflex horn enclosure.
Well they are $200 in amazon and $250 durect from audiopipe. I'm gonna gi ahead and say thise subs are not worth the price any more. That's the one thing about skar is thier pricing is consistentttttt. People hate them and I really dont know why. They ate the guys u can go to a year later down the road and the pricing still be the same.
Iv owned many skar as a bass head love pushing air around and only good skar is DNR, seen 1 DNR probably hit harder them most people's systems, but for this case bcd4 all the way it's a spl sub evl is sq you would have to compare it to a zvx 12
I would personally never purchase Audiopipe. I like Skar's line of products. Installed many models on many different builds. Have yet to have one thats blown. And they were abused by owners who were new in the car audio world and turned everything to the right.
They both are nothing but Chinese rebadge subs, if they don't own the patent on their basket design don't bother, how else can a college student start an audio company out of his dorm, just rebadge subs. Big D, did a dyno on an $89 top strong ( skar audio clone) Brazilian amp, that did exactly the same numbers. Remember, when you buy right the first time, you don't have to buy again. EX. My 16yo L7 still hitting, hell my 23-year-old 12w3 d 4ohm (first gen) still hitting just as low as they did in 2000. Skar, audio pipe and don't get me started on the fire starter's, taramp, tampano and the rest of those clones. Honesty, if want something from a up in coming brand, you can't go wrong with down for sound. I don't know how I got here, damn UA-cam algorithm
The ap is only 1000 watts ,,with very little throw,,thats why they wont list the specs on there subs ,,no bl no xmax specs ,,,nothing !!! It is a low budget sub compared to a Jensen category,,not good at all !! Dont waste your money! Buy the skar !!! It will take power up to 8k rms and want more ,,,! It was made to preform in small and llarge enclosures, thats why the motor is different. And thats why its a better alll around subwoofer!
The evl line sounds terrible, they only have the rating they have because people that don’t know audio rate them. Skar is not known for their sq because they are just far too cheap to even be in the sphere
A guy asked me to design him a box for an Audiopipe subwoofer, but there was no spec sheet or manual available! How am I supposed to design, then? 4th class of subwoofer, the "plays super f***ing low" class. Lol
This whole thing a joke the evl isn't even in the same category you should have done the video to correct people and talked about the skar zvx and the audiopipe sub you chose!
I have both of these subs right now 2 12 inch subs of each and i can tell u the bdc4 12s are considerably louder and take more power.
The audio pipe is a amazing brand for the price there subs are insane for the price. I love audio pipe subs excellent
True I have a pair of the audio pipe 12’s n they knock hard
This a joke right!
@@deemoney6570 not at all
Thanks boss.
I Have 2 audiopipe triple stack 12s and ive never been a skar audio fan honestly but this video actually makes sense and you do a good job explaining it, well done.
Thanks for the support.
Honestly I've had both subs about the Audiopipe first and I liked it but it just didn't hit us hard in my box when I bought the skar Audio I fell in love with it they hit just right on every note so honestly the skar audio evl for the win
Needed more power maybe and a custom box there great I almost got two 15’s from them but decided on sundown still thinking about getting some when I can for another build
I like how Skar designed the baskets so the air movement isn't blocked.
Who knew that there were SQ and SPL sub categories? TY, I learn from every video of yours I watch! I only wish I’d found you sooner..
Audiopipe for the win. In its price range. Resilient Sounds though...man they are superb.
But how they get Steve Harvey to voice over the video ? 🤣😂
I have a Bdc4 12 in a 3cuft box tuned to 32hz with a 4 inch aero port and it absolutely slaps hard af and sounds very very good. The bdc4 has an Fs in the mid 20's, if the designers were aiming for a spl sub, it wouldn't be that low, but sq subs are. And the Skar evl subs sound like shit compared to the Audiopipe bdc4, the quality of the bass output just sounds more deeper and cleaner. Whereas the skar sounds cheap and sloppy.
Would a 12" bdc4 work in a ported 2.8 cu ft box
The EVL subwoofer is a horrible driver. If a person, looks at the TSP'S... they'll understand. And it has a horrible motor structure, and low BL. It is highly inefficient.
The evl doesnt rms as much as the bd4 of course it gina be louder
I was nervous as all Hell when I bought the BDC2s. But now, one year later.... all 4 of my 12 inch BDC2s are killing it. They shake the living crap outta my van. In the middle of building a custom box for them now. 11 cubic ft. Tuned to 36. On a APCLE30001.D. 2 ohms. Love my A.P. Oh.... and I made this purchase thanks to videos and reviews by people like you dude. Thanks for all the work you put in. Makes the world a little less stressful . 👍
I just got to bdc2 hooked up today on 3k amp, they blew in 10 minutes I only had the volume at 28 or 30
I got 2 bdc4 on a 2000 watt Brutus hifonics and they slap hard as hell. I recommend Audiopipe any day of the week
Audiopipe Is A Better Sub, All the way round
Not. Audio pipe is overpriced 🗑️
I've pushed near 3k watts on an evil 12 inch for 3 years it took a beating before blowing at near 4k it really comes alive at around 3k
Audiopipe all day in my opinion ❤
Another great video. A lot of people talk about how good the evl sounds but for the bdc’s you just hear about how they bang. I haven’t heard either one in person but it wouldn’t be a question for me especially with the prices being a lot closer than they used to be
Audiopipe has their manuals in the “More” section. 👌🏼
Still bad practice. Should be very obvious where they are and easy to access for random people looking for a subwoofer.
In reading the comment thread, it appears the same as all car audio sub videos...People praising one sub and trashing the other😳Its like back in Jr. High-school when depending on what brand of shoes you wore (Nike vs Adidas) determined who was cooler🤣 Yall stop it🖐🤣 If you dont have much money to throw at a car audio build then get what works in your budget and match it all up correctly 👍Almost ALL of these subwoofer companies are built from the same Chinese Buildhouses and are priced accordingly..You get what you pay for will almost always ring true 👍 I personally can only afford the Skar SDR 12's for now and feeding them the right amount of power...in the recommended enclosure..an EQ to clean the sound up a little...a 160 amp alternator to keep up the voltage at around 13.7 to 14 volts at full tilt...and for the money I spent....I have no complaints🤠The only ones complaining are the Karen's at a stop light when I turn it up😳😳😳😳🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠
Respect 😁
@@BudgetBassHead I have seen so many times in comment threads where someone (just because of not knowing) will go get a 3k monoblock amp...a pair of 600 watt Rms subs but say 1200 watt max...run it on a 90 amp alternator...and then say ALL OF IT IS TRASH because "it didn't work!" 🤕😳🤣🤣AMP IN PROTECT MODE BECAUSE OF TO LOW VOLTAGE 😳😳Subs confused on what the hell they supposed to be doing and making throw up sounds🤕🤣🤣Alternator glowing red and sounding like a turbocharger 🤠A box tuned to 50 hertz from Amazon and the subs unloading and beating the voice coil to hell and back😳Then say....." !&%$#&%@" 👈 This brand sucks🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Oh and I forgot the ole "I only had my gain turned half way up" because they thought it was a volume knob😬😬😂😂😂😂🤣
@@justScrollin0627 ummm some amp gains are considered volume knobs one (some amps)
Skar Audio EVL All Day No Question.
Love the details!! This is something that I have honestly not looked into. I usually look at Watts, RMS , Hertz, etc. But never looked into SPL or etc…. Thanks for the education.
It really depends on the type of music you listen to. I listen to more techno, so I would choose the Audiopipe out of these two. But in reality I jam to the Sundown U 12 has an fs of 42 hz
Thanks for pointing that out ✌️
What is FS
@@Timelinejumper Fs. This parameter is the free-air resonant frequency of a speaker. Simply stated, it is the point at which the weight of the moving parts of the speaker becomes balanced with the force of the speaker suspension when in motion. For sub bass its ideal to have a lower Fs if you want that lower bass feel, the higher the Fs the harder it is to achieve the lower bass notes, and the same goes for the opposite, the lower the Fs the harder for the woofer to hit the high notes. I like high notes that really go loud
I have the Audiopipe BD2 version. on 800rms and that baby can get deep and low. It can take more power for sure.
Mines on 900w rms, I'd say it could take 1100 in the right enclosure
I love how he sounds like Steve Harvey
Got 2 bdc4's in octaport box and they str8 bang..I get the same sound off 5k and 1k. 5k just shakes more stuff in my car....but bdc4 definitely sounds better than the evl's any day. I had evl and zvx and personally wasn't impressed with smart at all. Their amps are good tho. Had my sk3500 for a while now and no issues. Half ohm daily for bout 6 months
Wow, sounds like you got a nice setup. I was thinking of grabbing a Skar amp as well.
@@BudgetBassHead sk series is worth it if you can find one used n good shape....wouldn't fork out that money on a new one tho. Too many better options lol
@@BudgetBassHead Its just me but I have yet to have a skar sub that impressed me but their amps are power houses. Great bang for the buck.
I had 2 evl 12s on 2krms and broke the roof in my car lol
Do the bdc4 hit harder than the Evls I’m tryna see which one can I go with I got a custom 12 box 32 hz
The evl is a juggernaut all around for the price
Audio pipe 💯 i had the 3 stack now i upgraded to 4 stacks i love how they sound.
Actually they use the evl in spl all the time! If you also read it say they are conservatively rated which means the evl takes more then what they say! Just like the skar amps put out more rms then what they say!
You should explain and go over the actual design features and T/S parameters that would lend the subwoofer more towards the SQL vs SPL or SQ instead of just reading the marketing propaganda.
I've done that in the initial unboxings. This was to simplify and answer repeated questions about these two.
You skipped right over the part where on the audiopipe manual it said its a sound quality subwoofer. Also the spec's and manual of the audiopipe is there to download. I would consider the the audiopipe a sq/spl subwoofer as well do to its mega roll i just dont see it being strictly a sq subwoofer. The sundown sa series is a sq subwoofer for example.
Skar got 4 evl 12s on 2 2500 watt hifonic goliath wired 1ohm and I'm beatin
Yeah I own Audiopipe subwoofers and I don't know if there's even a showroom where you can hear any of their products I didn't find anybody with a display with any mid-size or supposed but then I didn't look that hard when I was looking i ended up buying used 3 years ago and there still slappen
so had 2 of the audio pipe subs man they bang!!! had em in a 30hz box first had a crossfire 1k then upgraded to a taramps 3k then a taramps 5k and they handled it i just smoked 1 sub the other day after 2 years of having them not too bad was looking into either 2 EVL or saying screw it and getting another 2 of the AP's lol
went with american bass xfl 12's will need a bigger box but that's ok. also added a second xs power battery aswell
I never go by descriptions, only specs such as fs, qts, xmaxx, winding etc. The specs, once learned how to read em, will tell you the subs character, but low budget companies generally fabricate their specs. The specs aren't just there yo take up print space
The EVL has horrible TSP'S..
I'm lean towards sq more than spl. My new alpine type x 12s bump but for there price range come no were close to cheaper subs for spl purposes. On the other hand they sound way better than other subs at a price of $600 they better. I'd go with the scar because you can play a wider genre of music instead of just that one thing that the audiopipe can do.
Great explanation👍
Trust me this bdc4 is not meant for spl I don't know where you got that from but it does way better on low note daily playing.
I have 6 audiopipe bdc412's on 3 wolfram c2400's. Cant go wrong with the bdc4 or evl ...p.s. I make people with skar systems think twice about their purchase 😂😂
I think audiopipe is hard to beat even if they are the same price. I think audiopipe subs have plenty of responsiveness/ SQ and definitely can hit low. I think people like the skar frame but the audiopipes look more beastly to me. I have 2 - 10" BDC2 and an audiopipe TSPP2 15". Best budget subs out there for < $100. Apmi 2k treats me well
@@StevenStGelais audiopipe recently raised their price on the bdc4 they wer 169 each when i bought mine. Definitely bang for buck
@@moddedz2861 audiopipe Has better quality to price ratio when compared to skar IMO. You could call me an AP fanboy
@@moddedz2861 When I bought my dad a bdc4 for Christmas it was $159
I want a EVL, but tossing on the Audiopipe's magnets....that would be a sick looking sub that performs in all aspects
That's actually a great idea 😀
@@BudgetBassHead I think the end result would be similar to the Fi Q Series
@@Raymo2u I've been really wanting to do a Fi Audio subwoofer which one would you recommend?
Super easy choice!.............. one of each (: Great vid, thanks for all of the research!
Audiopipe all day anyday 💯
Audiopipe for me.
U cant go wrong with either the bd4 can take a shit tun of power and the same as scars stuff the magnet n baskets r really the only difference
I love the fact that he is reading the marketing material as if it actually holds any weight as far as what the subwoofer is designed for. It is marketing fluff that is designed to make the item sound more appealing {No pun intended), very little actual technical info used. Lol
I didn't know Steve Harvey was into bass jk 🤣🤣🤣
I have the evl 12 and I love it. Great video bro as always 👍👊
Great video and comments about Sq vs spl. I want a Sq setup in a 1.5 cubic ft ported box plus or minus .25 so I still have a usable trunk in my charger. With a 300x4 pushing my mids and highs and anywhere from 600-1000 rms for subs. I either want one 10" or two 8"s. With all your sub testing experience what would you choose between JL W7, resilient sound gold, ssaudio f8l, wolfram ag10, American bass xfl10, sundown sav2, skar svr or evl, dd audio 710d, sundown x10, Memphis mjm8, or kicker 42cwq?
Resilience sounds Gold series will not disappoint you
Thanks for the quick answer man, I enjoy your videos. 👍
Going for SQ and want a ported box? I went with Image Dynamics as I had a couple BNIB 10s lying around and put them in a sealed box. Sending them about 350 watts watch through an XR-1S and sound great.
Skar I wouldn’t buy audio pipe. For one I look at xmax. Vs another. I like the surround better on the evl.
Why wouldn't you buy Audiopipe?
Trust me the Audiopipe is way better I've owned both.
@@BenaresDarkness So have and I'm not any kind of fanboy I like what works and that Audiopipe price tag \ performance is really hard to beat IMO and I've owned a few Skar products and some of there build quality standards are suspect but that was there amplifier line but there higher end subs were great I guess it comes down to the old saying to each his own 🔊🔊🔊 👍🏽👊🏽✌🏽💯
Have you ever owned one? I do, and they bang fo sho.
The clues are in the TSPs. The Audipipe models like a JL Audio W6. Is that an SPL subwoofer?
Audio pipe all day long for the fs extension
Soooo, maybe you can run about 8 EVL12's in a line array! :-)
Audiopipe 💪🏾
Me honestly it depend on tha vehicle even tho I like audiopipes better than skars
Need amp suggestions got 2 bdc4 4 ohm
What did u end up getting and how’d it sound
How do these compare to the AB XFL12s? I have one AP bdc2 12, looking to upgrade to 2 12s at ~2000-3000w rms (Sundown Salt 3), trying to decide between the bdc4 and the American Bass XFL
I can answer that. The ab xfl is a nutcase on the loose with one arm in a straight jacket if that helps. Them mofos go crazy.
So let me ask,what do you think about skar sdr 10's ? I have 2 ,1200 watt max, with a 2400 watt hifonics amp, and it dont sound to bad
Did you have to upgrade your power supply?
@@RemingtonSteel no
Skar svr 12 or ddx or audiopipe bd2? Fan of deep bass
I have the bdc1s on a 1000 watt audiopipe amp with 1400amp agm battery. Wow
Audiopipe amps don't even come close to skar amps! The skar rp 1200.1 does 2k+ on clean electric and that's not even there high model amp
@@deemoney6570 mine was clamped at 1225
Just an old man system
@@deemoney6570 I love my audiopipes
@@deemoney6570 Skar amps don't come close to Audiopipe amps. Audiopipe apcle 1800 can be ran at
.5 but if you try that with a RP amp you going to blow it up.
I like my zvx-8 better than the evl-12 how it felt at least wanting to upgrade to a VXF but on same power I Dont Know if it will be better than my evl-12
I got a evl 12 as well and I don’t like it. It just sounds good on the low notes. It’s not a bad subwoofer but I’ll rather get some L7s
The VXF-12 would not let you down. Check my videos of you don't believe
The bdc4 does better on the daily low end playing not high spl and imo the bdc4 is better than the evl and I've had both.
what line of AP plays the lowest with the best sq? 2,3,or 4 stack
@@Banshee421x 4 stack
@@BenaresDarkness I have a sundown 2500 not sure how many subs to run 1 or 2 on 2.5k
@@Banshee421x I've seen 2 take around 3900 to 4200 and last awhile. The only reason they quit working was because the guy was running them in a box tuned at 24hz and overpowering them an after a few months the spiders tore but the coil was fine it didn't blow.
@@BenaresDarkness Maybe a better choice is to go with 1 15 and send it at max
Tsp's control all. Power handling doesn't necessarily effect sq, but typically a stiff suspension, significant inductance, terrible fs and qts all create trash sq.
Disregard manufacturers claims for purpose and go by what the sub says.
If you throw more power at it, things should clear up a bit.🤣
I've had both and the vvx but I kept the audiopipe . But I would chose the vvx over both
Yo what are you using to power your EVL 12 in your house?
I really enjoy your video but I can definitely say it was very biased I am currently running the evl8 on 1200 w and they are smoking and smelling bad I believe I will be going with audiopipe
I have 8k 1ohm amp and need 2-dual 15's subwoofers that can handle continuous play any suggestions on subs?? I ordered the EMF Banhammer V2s but they not ready ship yet so what's out there for performance
Audiopipe bdc4d2
Good job bro
Is the EVL-12 way better than the power acoustic gothic?
In terms of build quality and sound quality yes
Yeah i have to go with the bdc4 12s youve seen my vids you know the deal❤✌
I've seen both do well, I've also seen both come apart because not being glued properly. if i was spending my money id go with AP, I've seen less of them tear apart.
I've burned through 4 audio pipe subs. Plus customer service is a joke at audio pipe.
Does everyone only focus on the evl when they have the zvx's which are the higher version of the evl!? I just don't get jt!
Skar for me. I hate the audio pipe basket.
The Skar basket has been used on so many different subs its like a cookie cutter design that the Chinese use in there sweat house\build houses its totally generic and I've seen them break on a few different occasions But that's kind of a shallow way to judge what a subwoofer will and can do
Or maybe the cone and the dust cap. Incase the coil get burn it is hard to chnage. . Lot of change if you replace the coil. Unlike there is a dust cap it easy to change. Only the coil is your problem. But both of the sub are good
@@redman4076 your right. I know the audio pipe is a monster. Lots of bang for the buck. It just looks funny.
@@raulfernandez9111 Thats totally true it absolutely wld be allot more work to rebuild I've just owned both but in the 15 inch version and for me and my "SHALLOW" music preferences lol the Audiopipe was the better buy But to each his own .All n all there both going to pound if you put it all together correctly 🔊🔊🔊 👍🏽👊🏽✌🏽💯
If audiopipe is better for spl, why you see most people running skar evl competition builds?
Because skar is the more accepted brand...audiopipe gets a bad rep most of the time because of the beginners that use their products incorrectly
can you wire them together to a final 2ohm impedance? The evl and pipe in one box. I have the evl now but I wouldnt mind also having the pipe.
You're not supposed to mix and match subs in the same box. They have different frequency responses etc.
Nice explanation brother. Good video.
go gamecocks!
@@AwestruckOffRoadingHertz yes sir! Go cocks!
It's funny you mention EVL-12 because yesterday I figured out what I thought was to be a blown evl-12 ended up being cooked 0 gauge that was copper clad aluminum wire not OFC. It cooked the output side of my 250A ANL fuse holder under the hood and the wire was dry and turning into dust.
It reminded me of the time I took a torch lighter to a soda can and burned a hole right through it. It looks similar to that.
The EVL was rocking full tilt, no clipping on my Skar 1000.1 D monoblock today.
Wow 😲 Good thing you caught that before it was to late!
@@BudgetBassHead well I would have thought so too but you know what it did it slowly disable my amplifier to the point where they wouldn't turn on fully but they would turn on and then no relay. I'm in the process of putting the video together and when it's done I'll show you it's ridiculous how bad that wire got I would stay away from copper clad aluminum if I can help it.
@@BudgetBassHead as promised:
ua-cam.com/video/XlgYb7eop4c/v-deo.html
I just bought the EVL 12Loaded Enclosure but there is a slapping sound coming from the sub when it plays. Am not sure what the issue is.
Return it
@@BudgetBassHead I live in the Caribbean. Jamaica. smh.
Nice review 👌
Thank you 🙂
Did the EVL's fit in that dual 12 inch box you bought from Skar?
Yes
I don't know about comparing it to anything else but I bought an EVL 15-in loaded enclosure to get some bass in my ride on the cheap and easy...and damn it flexes my Highlander something fierce.
Doubt you can do a whole lot better for 370 bucks. 15 in digs a little deeper than the 12 and I like that. All I did was 1/0 big three and everything else electrical is stock still.
Listening to scar haters and other manufacturer Fanboys in here is hilarious. Some guys with more than one post because nobody answered their first troll... This hobby is funny.
This bdc4 will shit on that evl and no I don't hate skar I've owned their ma8 and a evl 18 it's just that Audiopipe is better.
@@BenaresDarkness will it shit on the vxf though?
@@snauspockets9924 ua-cam.com/video/NNGm3xknxKI/v-deo.html Not my video but here is 2 of those bdc4 12s.
I'm getting stuff together for my system I ordered me a Resilient sounds team 15 it's a monster sub it weighs 135 pounds 5000w rms and can take 7500w all day long.
Only good skar is the DNR said what I said
Which bass sweep app are you using please thx👍
Tone generator app from the Google app store
sdr 12 or evl 12 by skar audio hit harder and with more bass?
Lol..
…EVL Bud :~)
@@FinsleysCustomCarAudio thanks what's your opinion about CT AUDIO?
This audiopipe looks just like the memphis mojo line
They seem to take a BIG box vs other brands
I got 6 EVL 12’s on a Taramps BASS 30k in a Tahoe…lol.
Skars push harder than audiopipes but audiopipes got better sound quality than skars
thank you
People buy subs for more bass I love my 2 12 audiopipe and going to purchase 2 more to run a total of 4 audiopipe subs
Buddy sounds like Corey Holcomb. Good info though 👌 👍🏾
Skar
Skar tsp's are horribly inaccurate. AP is actually more accurate than average.
I got one of the dayton audio dats v3 and at least as far as the skar Audio tip, you are absolutely right. Not sure about the AP but
I’ve had 12 12” subs and the 110$ skar entree sub is absolutely garbage won’t buy scar ever again too much mechanical noise and smokes up on 400w CLEAN POWER adjusted with smd tools before you all say something I’ve been trying to warranty it but can’t so it’s been sitting for a year
Honestly a sub is just a sub and only makes up 20% of the equation. Personally having a Skar in my collection as well as the bdc4 I feel that there are features that skar needs to seriously improve on with their subs and then there are features that Audiopipe needs to improve on but that Audiopipe having a 4 layer 3" solid copper voicecoil coated in the black 500° adhesive is a HUGE PLUS in my eyes unlike the copper clad aluminum on the skar!
If you reference any type of audio equipment the enclosure is 50% of the audio reproduction, the amp is 30% and then the driver is the final 20%
My point being, you can take a $1300 JL Audio W7 13.5 and stuff it in a crappy enclosure and use a crappy amp and get crappy sound. You could also use a high end amp, high end enclosure and a cheap $100 subwoofer and it sound better than that JL powered by a crappy amp and in a crappy enclosure!
I just think skar is way overrated for what it is along with Sundown and a few others, like fads they'll fade and people will move on to the next best thing...
I'm a numbers guy and if you compare numbers and specs to specs I feel the Audiopipe is the better buy "if you can feed it the power it needs and have the space for the box it needs" but if you're going with a cheap amp and cheap box get the Skar as it'll preform better!
I don't understand your percentage ratios. Where does this analogy derive from? By the way, the coil on the BDC4 is not coated in a black adhesive. And the reason JL Audio has a $1,300 subwoofer is because a sub isn't just a sub. I do agree that both these companies could improve, that's part of this hobby; to influence them to improve. But could you clarify how Skar and Sundown could have, collectively, 25 years of operations; become '...like fads...'?
@@BudgetBassHead
I'll start with saying I love your videos and my comment was more about understanding that nearly any sub can sound good or bad depending on the amp and enclosure!
But to clarify, both of my TXX-BDC4-15-D2's have solid copper wire 4 layer voicecoils that are coated in a black high temp adhesive as that's one of the first things I look at when I buy a sub. So if yours doesn't then it must have the BD4 coil but the high temp solid copper coil is one of the major upgrades from the BD4 to the BDC4. I can't explain why yours wouldn't have it otherwise.
It's ok to question percentages but if you refer to Hoffmans Iron laws you'll start hearing the laws of percentages when combining components, these percentages fluctuate with components but the base is 50% enclosure, 30% amplifier/ electrical and 20% being the subwoofer itself. The enclosure you build is going to have the most impact on your drivers performance as well as the sound output you get and what you build for is what you're going to get. Being that a subwoofer operates within 20-100hz or 30-80hz for most builds there's really not much "sq" you can achieve from one sub to another in this tiny window and that is my point. The enclosure is where you get all your performance from and why your sub box should be built to your needs within the subs specs. I had noticed in your video that you put the skar in the same box as the Audiopipe and that will likely affect the performance as the skar calls for a smaller enclosure and the Audiopipe needs one a bit larger. But at least 70% of people watching that video aren't building/ buying custom made boxes for the subs they're running but rather a prefab that will have a result favoring the skar anyways!
I'm glad you agree with me that both Audiopipe and Skar can improve as I'm not trying to argue but I see a problem with people flocking to Skar and Sundown. This to me is embracing a copycat society and personally I don't like it. I mean what happened to companies being original and making their own things. You see Kicker, Rockford, JL Audio, Alpine, Audiopipe and others as well as companies that are now gone using their own baskets, cones, motors and other components making their sub "their own" while Skar, Sundown, American Bass, Toro and other companies that all have their products made in the exact same build house over in China are literally using the same exact baskets, motors, surrounds, cones, ect. resulting in almost "copied subs with different logos". You see this on the Skar you compared to the Audiopipe where the Skar has two spacers between its generic basket and the motor "magnet" as well as the surround and cone both being on other companies subs. While Audiopipe is using a surround, dustcap and basket that's made specifically for them and won't be on other subs! My personal dislike for the Audiopipe is the set of somewhat weak plastic terminals it has but overall has my vote as the better sub just by being original...
When I go to a audio meet and see a build with these copycat subwoofers I'm actually disgusted despite giving credit for a custom build though this is exactly why I now only own one Skar subwoofer and being it's a discontinued model that's rarely seen these days I keep it.
I'd rather be the person that's disliked for being original than one of the copycats that has the exact same system 10 other guys have at the same meet! As it is right now I'm the only guy at my local meets running L7's with KXA amps in one of my builds and once I'm done I'll also be the only guy running a pair of 15" BDC4's in a custom made 5th order bass reflex horn enclosure.
SUNDOWN beats both. Period.
Well they are $200 in amazon and $250 durect from audiopipe. I'm gonna gi ahead and say thise subs are not worth the price any more. That's the one thing about skar is thier pricing is consistentttttt. People hate them and I really dont know why. They ate the guys u can go to a year later down the road and the pricing still be the same.
Iv owned many skar as a bass head love pushing air around and only good skar is DNR, seen 1 DNR probably hit harder them most people's systems, but for this case bcd4 all the way it's a spl sub evl is sq you would have to compare it to a zvx 12
Why did he not do that?? Especially since evl is not top tier skar sub.🤔
Great video, but I wouldnt put so much into the company’s marketing. They’re just trying to have a wide customer base.
I would personally never purchase Audiopipe. I like Skar's line of products. Installed many models on many different builds. Have yet to have one thats blown. And they were abused by owners who were new in the car audio world and turned everything to the right.
Do you have any reason for not purchasing audiopipe
@@StevenStGelais because they never owned one
@@StevenStGelais because I choose not to. Simple as that.
@@AwestruckOffRoadingHertz I was just wondering if you were a critical thinker but thanks for showing you just blindly make decisions
@@StevenStGelais Sure thing
Audiopipe 4 sure
SKAR MOST COMPLETE SUB OUT THERE.
Audiopipe hands down
They both are nothing but Chinese rebadge subs, if they don't own the patent on their basket design don't bother, how else can a college student start an audio company out of his dorm, just rebadge subs. Big D, did a dyno on an $89 top strong ( skar audio clone) Brazilian amp, that did exactly the same numbers. Remember, when you buy right the first time, you don't have to buy again. EX. My 16yo L7 still hitting, hell my 23-year-old 12w3 d 4ohm (first gen) still hitting just as low as they did in 2000. Skar, audio pipe and don't get me started on the fire starter's, taramp, tampano and the rest of those clones. Honesty, if want something from a up in coming brand, you can't go wrong with down for sound. I don't know how I got here, damn UA-cam algorithm
This was a pointless video.. we can all read the websites ourselves.. doing some form of actual testing and metering would’ve been great
The ap is only 1000 watts ,,with very little throw,,thats why they wont list the specs on there subs ,,no bl no xmax specs ,,,nothing !!! It is a low budget sub compared to a Jensen category,,not good at all !! Dont waste your money!
Buy the skar !!! It will take power up to 8k rms and want more ,,,! It was made to preform in small and llarge enclosures, thats why the motor is different. And thats why its a better alll around subwoofer!
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Lol that skar not taking 8k rms
The evl line sounds terrible, they only have the rating they have because people that don’t know audio rate them. Skar is not known for their sq because they are just far too cheap to even be in the sphere
A guy asked me to design him a box for an Audiopipe subwoofer, but there was no spec sheet or manual available! How am I supposed to design, then?
4th class of subwoofer, the "plays super f***ing low" class. Lol
Maybe Audiopipe is listening and will soon update the website. They got a pretty cool product but a crappy website description of it.
This whole thing a joke the evl isn't even in the same category you should have done the video to correct people and talked about the skar zvx and the audiopipe sub you chose!
William gay engineered the evil to take twice it's rms he did 155 on 4
*You're incorrect brother*
I jus wanna wham im trying to rip shit apart!!
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