Circa 26:00 : The engine CAN reverse, but it's so glacially slow that it's legitimately faster to just turn the whole tank around and go forward but in the other direction.
@@voidtempering8700 So it's Russian self-sabotage in an effort to look good? I'm shocked. Truly stunned. Speechless. Flabbergasted even. Surprised, you might say. Taken aback, it could be said. Slackjawed, perhaps. Thrown for a loop, in some estimations. Floored, as the saying goes.
Those old Soviet tank engines are theoretically capable of reverse. Practically, the way it's set up grants one reverse gear at about 3-5km/h in a T-90.
😂 I love how you put "theoretically" that's funny dude (Just in case I'm genuinely laughing, not being sarcastic cuz some people tends to misread others)
I mean, you just need to change the transmissions. Other countries use T-72s that have higher reverse speeds, such as Poland with their PT-91. Russia just doesn't.
that's like putting a sticker on a product saying 'yes this will help you lose 50 pounds in only a month or two'.... it's radioactive material breaking your body with cancer and cell destruction.
@@anzaca1he admitted he was not doing well enough research at first so the call outs were justified, but the drama keeps building up for no reason between all of them. I don't even wanted to look into the whole Discord fiasco. IMO, it's just stupid funny, like we know the T-14 suck huge d*ck but they're just argue about the smallest shit about the tank.
@@anzaca1even if he was, attacking him just for one incorrect fact, when many others are far worse? From where I’m standing, it almost looks like they’re attacking him for the sake of attacking him! It’s asinine!
@@anzaca1 Only one attacked him. He then made a rant about the other one despite them being very respectful. He just can't handle criticism is all, so who then goes on a rant in another comment section and then deletes his comment.
@@TrinityCore60Did you check the arguments for what they said was wrong? It doesn't take in dept knowledge or a lot of time to fact check some of the things he said.
Now imagine if US was under hard core sanctions by most of the developed world and the Canada was getting hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid while also pulling their entire population towards war while USA only pulls like 5% at most. And your comment has nothing to do with tanks
@@KolyaUrtz yeah it won't happen with that scenario, if the US says they will conquer canada in three days, then they will do it in three days. it wasn't delayed by a year and a half, and for a 'superpower' to use 5% of its population to invade the poorest country in Europe, that was quite ironic.
@@andrian_syah1430 ...USA hasn't faced foe as strong as Ukraine currently since WW2... What are you even talking about? You are just throwing out baseless speculations and trash talking Russia for no legit reason. Canada isn't comparable to Ukraine whatsoever considering how close all their main cities are to USA. That one fact alone makes your comparison make 0 sense. If USA was in a place where currently Russian is they would have performed the same if not worse.
If you ever have time, I recommend looking up a series of videos by an Australian UA-camr named Perun, which goes into detail about how the Russian military wound up like... well, like you see above. Specifically, his videos "How Corruption Destroys Armies," "How Lies Destroy Armies," and "How Politics Destroys Armies" are all good dives into exactly how these problems- which are not unique to Russia by any means- are particularly problematic for a country that runs its military the way that Russia does.
From 34:21 to 35:05 I am not sure he even registered what Lazerpig was saying, you could see the loading circle above his head and hear the dial up tone
@@OldManReacts I know what you mean. I am an Air Force vet that worked with B-52s and Russia was the big bad enemy we were training for… and then they invaded Ukraine. They have failed so hard they they have embarrassed us and me, this was the big bad scary enemy and we have just watched them Family Guy fall down the stairs
@@JamesRT1291I would say this was a long time in the making. They already "attempted" an invasion in 2014. I am not just talking about Crimea, they tried to push further into Ukraine but they failed, and this was when Ukraine's military was a fraction of what it is today. The fact Putin thtough he could have pulled it off in 2022 doesn't make sense, and now it has cost hundreds of thousands of lives over a pointless war.
Not wrong, constantly trying the nitpicking “well actually” alleged technicalities that are either Vatnik copium or don’t make any material difference to the point being made...
@@MLaak86 It was not a nitpick, Lazerpig was using wrong information to prove how a tank was bad, didn't cite sources, or even outright lied. The most notorious one was the optics. The Leclerc and T-14 use completely different sights, even the earlier generation tanks had worse optics. There are a dozen things that you can use to criticize the T-14 with, but he resorted to lies.
@@MLaak86For reference, if I was to criticize the T-14 and rework his video, his final point about the fact that the Russians will never field it in any valuable numbers would go first. He should also factor in how the gun the T-14 has was supposed to be fitted on the T-90M, but since that never happened it is obvious that they haven't got the gun working either. I mentioned the sights previously, and although he is wrong on the point that they aren't from old Leclercs, he is right in that when compared to the latest generation of modern Western tanks, they do lag behind.
@@MLaak86Honestly, he should have just stuck with facts instead of making things up. Russians entire tank industry is in pieces and they haven't made a decent tank in a long time. They lost nearly 2000 of their tanks, many of which are their "modern" variants, and those tanks are vehicles that even former Soviet nations have developed better variants for.
@@voidtempering8700It’s REALLY funny, because in the follow up video LazerPig did, he explained his lack of source citation. On the other hand, I have seen like 20 comments of you saying ‘He’s wrong! He’s wrong!’ yet I have not seen you provide a SINGLE source as to why he could be wrong (that’s because he isn’t, his main gripe with the autoloader was that us was slower than crewed turrets, the fact that that T-14 has an unclearable turret was just an observation he made. If you actually listened to what he was saying before drowning in your copium, you’d understand that).
The whole spinny-spinny thing? While they were filming the promo documentary, the turret traverse switch broke while at max traverse, locking the turret into spinning whenever there was power, and there were no spares available to fix it. They just went with it, occasionally reversing footage to make it look like it was spinning the other way...
question: have the russians never thought about using radios? like... i know they're strapped for resources but... i didn't think radio systems were that expensive
What I think happened is that the Russians looked at the Merkeva and thought "we can make that" and then proceeded to faceplant the execution in epic fashion. For example, both tanks share the modular design, with the Markeva having the same frame as the super-heavy Namer IFV/APC (for perspective, it's an IFV/APC that weighs 65+ tons and has its own APS system). Everything Laserpig says about this is true--it is a fuel-hungry monster--however the thing is that Israel is the size of New Jersey and they aren't planning on sending their IFVs far outside their borders. Doctrinally, their armored vehicles can be fuel-hungry monsters, as their supply lines are so short; Russia, on the other hand, can't say this, as their country is huge and they are trying to penetrate deep beyond their supply lines. Similarly, both tanks have an armored capsule for the crew, with the Merkeva even putting its engine in the front so that a penetrator would need to go through it before it hits the crew. Russia's implementation of this idea is horrifically incompetent though, as they have basically turned their crew compartment into a pressure cooker, which doesn't even have an escape hatch (the Merkeva has a secondary hatch in the back so the crew can dismount safely under fire). It's actually a good idea to have a secondary capsule to protect the crew (eg. the A-10 Thunderbolt also has this around its cockpit), but the Russian implementation of this idea made it into a liability. Both tanks rely heavily on their APS systems. The main issue here being the fact that the Russian APS doesn't work, while the Israel has two APS systems (the Trophy and Iron Fist), both of which are considered tied for the best in service. The Trophy is so good that the US has installed it on our Abrams, the Germans have installed it on their Leopards, and the UK is trialing it on their Challenger. It's the literal standard for a modern APS. Both tanks have multiple remote weapons systems, in a similar configuration (but the Merkeva has an additional 50cal on the turret and mount for either a mortar, drone launcher, or 40mm grenade launcher), but the Armata doesn't have redundant controls in case something goes wrong. In totality, you can kinda see where the Russian designers were aiming to go when they drew up the Armata. They just didn't have the follow-through or funding to actually make anything work.
@@voidtempering8700 No, Vatnik, the T-14 is a hunk of junk - sure the program was likely stolen liberally from but it's still an out of date junk design.
Wouldn't trust lazerpig h posted fake sources and then also posted a crappy article that had nothing to do with the Armata and ofc an article saying the engine of the armata was from 1938 while there was 0 proof of it. he posted fake sources and then also posted a crappy article that had nothing to do with the
You know that Abraham's X belongs in a Sci Fi setting but we keep forgetting the future is now . From WW1 to now in a hundred years thats something the Emperor might be interested in🤣
26:15 I think the designers were inspired by Stalin's Order 227. Not one step back comrades, to victory or death. 27:26 I was born in the middle of the Second Chechen war then. Obviously here in the states, but you grt the picture. 29:25 Exactly, logistics are how wars are won. 31:32 I was waiting for news of civil war. It took Wagner a single day to take over Rostov while it took them eight months to take Bakhmut and then I heard how there were things happening in the one city about halfway to Moscow. Then nothing came of it and I lost interest a couple days after. I remember eating three or four hotdogs with shredded cheese, ketchup, and Frank's Red Hot on them. It's weird I can remember the food better than how I heard Wagner took Rostov. 1:08:40 I like calling it the Schwarzkopf, after the commander of US forces in Desert Storm. Also, goes to show how good western tank proposals are compared to Russian tanks. The KF51 Panther can, and probably will, wallhack, and the Abrams X can turn invisible, and would likely be used for lightning strike assaults against enemies at night.
@@voidtempering8700 (Yes new account) The source is the Tank museum, so if you want to go claim they are unreliable and unprofessional, go ahead, but i don't think your going to get very far.
Okay having reread what he was saying in the chat and having read some of the comments that they’ve made, I really don’t think he’s a Russian sympathiser. He just wants to correct some ultimately minor mistakes, he still seems to agree that it’s a big pile of shit and that Russia is hilariously incompetent.
@@Azorees-oj5zr Its fine. But thanks for apologizing, that's the first time that has ever happened. Stuff like that doesn't really happen on the Internet.
@@voidtempering8700what sources are those? The two morons who jumped on him and didn’t actually disprove anything he said beyond the error about engine power he made that he acknowledged and removed?
The controversy is ametures deciding to start shit with an actual historian who proceeded to drop his actual primary source sources and then point out that they're getting their information from a russian propaganda blog that cites itself and its author's own work as 'primary sources', with a little bit of angry drunk lazerporcine doing an oopsy-doodle drunkposting about how stupid it all was when somebody stuck their nose into it and owning up to that immediately. Addendum: And the Abrams X is basically trying to go full Astartes for the lols. Because America has an overcompensation issue. Seriously, that thing is absolutely frightening.
@@voidtempering8700 Shut the fuck up and stop lying. That is literally the exact opposite of what happened. Fuck off, and get yourself some fucking help for your addiction to putin's dick.
@@voidtempering8700As did the people saying he was wrong, did you not watch the video either? The point being he cited things aside from the blog, while for the people saying he was wrong, the blog was often the only source they used, while he used actual historical texts, first hand russian accounts and research, and much more.
And what!? How dare take vactation. Displeased work noises, haha, that’s something I should do also. And I feel you on driving, I typically spends hours driving everyday to get to where I need to be to then work on stuff and then drive back, then drive a half hour from the shop to home. The longer drives to different farms, I show up sore as hell and already hurting, have old back and every other joint injuries, my time in The Corps didn’t do them any favors either, haha.
And oh if weren’t for the loss and suffering of Ukrainians, this whole debacle would be the worlds greatest comedic show. And stuff like this, is why as a kid, watching desert storm unfold, then learning all I could about the military in general and history, battles and wars and more and more modern things, technology and doctrine, logistics, etc. I came to the conclusion that the last time the Soviets were scary was early 60’s, and are/have been nothing but a joke to modern military. The only ships they’ve had that actually worked since the 1890’s were either bought or given to them by the west before the Soviet Union, or forming WWII, just like tanks, the best tanks the Soviets ever had were the stupid numbers of M2 lights, M3 Lees and M4’s we shipped them, along with fuel, oil ammo for those, and ammo and their gun designs we built for them in WWI and WWII and shipped them, along with clothes and blankets, the thousands of combined rail cars and locomotives we built to their gauge of rail and shipped them. We gave them so much canned meat in WWII that their troops were still eating it into the 1980’s and it was still safe to eat, of a little degraded. They’ve always been a joke, and always will be one. The most combat effective thing Russia has ever had is their winter, lol.
This is absolutely crazy to watch when it first came out and sense then war has erupted. I just want to give my two cents to the T-14 in the parade stopping. If you care, you can open up to the paragraphs below. First and foremost, did the engine break down. For me at least I still classify it as a maybe. I've seen the E break argument, but I don't think that changes it. After the engine going kaput it just makes sense to turn on the E break incase something else fucks up, and someone forgot to disengage it when trying to tow it and people went stupid. If that wasn't the case than the driver fucked up in some way and everyone either incompetent enough or inexperienced enough to not know how to handle it. So, lets say the engine didn't fuck up like they are known to do and the driver fucked up. Okay, why was someone that inexperienced in it driving it? Okay, that is rather harsh, it could have been nerves, it was an important holiday after all. One with Nazi engines but I digress. So, driver screwed something up and it was so bad that it had to be towed off. Apparently fucking it up SO badly that no one else could figure it out and the higher ups had to come down. Watching the video I most certainly think the E break was on, those tracks weren't moving (That or they picked the weakest fking thing to try and pull it and failed but I doubt that.), but if it was something as simple as E break being turned on then how the fuck did NOONE either know it was on, or know how to turn it off. And if it WAS just the E break being turned on and they realized it. It could have just driven on. But apparently no, it was a showcase of a rescue, a rescue in which they left the fking E break on, which wouldn't have happened if they had noticed it, and couldn't figure that out. That reeks of incompetence if that is the case, but I don't believe the rescue was part of the act. That wouldn't be something you do on your NEW tank. Doing it on one of the MANY T-34's is more likely as anyone could see see one of those things breaking down and is no where near as expensive should something go wrong. Going back. Considering the driver, the one supposedly trained to do it, couldn't figure it out, and if there was anyone else in the tank, THEY didn't know how to do it either, I wonder if that is actually the case of it being JUST the E break. There is the possibly that the E break was turned on then broke or got stuck, but that is still mechanical failure and not exactly a show of good craftmanship. Best case scenario is the driver was just inexperienced and accidently turned on the E break, and there is no flashing light or something to indicate "Oh hey the E break is on!", which seems like a fking design flaw, and no one could figure it out. Side note, crazy to think that a driver going in a straight line could accidently switch on the E break. Why was it so easy in that case? Apparently so easy that it could have been missed as something you did. So, a case of incompetence or inexperience. Worst case scenario on the other hand is that the engine, or something else, did die and the E break was turned on as a safety measure as was forgotten to be taken off and everyone had a round of stupid. This is just casual things I've noticed in my watching and reading of many things, but regardless of what happened, someone, somewhere, fucked up.
NASA spent a lot lof money on a Pen that would work in space. The USSR just used pencils. The Russian Federation eventually bought NASA's pens because the Graphite kept fouling up the Air Filters.
The gripen is noted as being quite possibly the worst 4th gen aircraft ever conceived bar the early F-16 and F-18 models its significantly worse than any other aircraft in service with any notable military
@@duceposting1831 Same shit as the Leopard 1 as has just been explained in the video you just watched. The Swedish JAS 39 Gripen, of variants C and D, is notorious for being one of the cheapest new 4 or 4.5 generation fighter jets around. Its cost could go as low as $30 million per piece, a bargain for such an advanced machine. I didn't say it's the best NATO plane. I can not find any real critisism of this plane though. Just that it being cheap it's not suited for every job. As one would reasonably expect.
@Londronable it's not suited for any job back in 2008-2011 the Swiss conducted evaluations between the typhoon the rafale and a gripen D in which both the rafale and typhoon far exceeded the performance of the F-18C meanwhile the gripen D was significant inferior in air policing, defensive counter air(interception) and escort than the F-18C the only category it scored higher in was reconnaissance but still far behind the typhoon or rafale the gripen also failed to meet even the minimum air to ground capability This evaluation was also scored as such the baseline of 6.00 was the F-18 The typhoon scored an average of 6.4 The rafale scored an average of 7.3 And the gripen an average of 4.9 Also I didn't watch the video I've watched the low quality spiel of the pig enough the guys not a historian and should never call himself one he's a drunken idiot who's friends with a pedophile who's touched children
Remind me how many countries that were in the top 10 armies of the world (including the United States as the first army in the world) lost to the barefoot Taliban, who didnt even have aviation? The whole message is clear: "Russian stupid" - Western military experts say the same? "Ukrainians are not Nazis" - Western channels that interview Ukrainians with chevrans of Nazi eagles and swastikas are all stupid Russian propaganda. "Western tanks are invincible" their turrets do not fly off, when the ammo is removed, the crew always remains alive.
They bluffed their way there. Albeit, no country really wants to fight them, so it was a good bluff. But corruption and lack of training and manufacturing expertise makes them a great power at best.
That depends on the crew. In NATO simulations, the tr85m1 did that to the abrams, and that's a tank inferior to the abrams. Not to say that the t14 doesn't suck tho.
@denisionescu5072 Notice I said with an American crew. Because American crews have the most experience on the Abrams. As to simulations those are not a good indicator of what US tank crews are capable of due to the well known fact that the US always handicaps itself in simulations and training exercises. A better indicator is actual combat performance. Because a tank is a tank and any tank can be destroyed. Urban combat is also more of a bitch for tank crews.
@denisionescu5072 The US has roughly 8000 Abrams Tanks. How many T-14 Armata's does Russia have that we can confirm again ? Yeah Abrams beats Armata. Oh and the Chinese did actually claim that none of the supposed active defense systems work on the Armata. Meaning the crew would have to visually notice a projectile moving faster than the speed of sound at the tank to avoid being hit. Because if they are hit see what happens when T-90s get hit due to the autoloader system.
Maybe a little bit late, but have you watch Lazerpig's video about the Moskva?, it's very interersting and funny. A little bit of spoilers (not really) it was corruption what sink the ship.
I’m sure we have idiots saying western tanks has been destroyed….but fail to mention, those tanks has had their 3rd gen CHOBHAM armor removed, along with depleted Uranium armor. It’s stupid to send Tanks with Top secret armor out….the tank crew would have to completely destroy the tank….and that’s very hard to do, if the tank has its CHOBHAM Armor! Sorry Russia! Not impressed.
@@voidtempering8700 Looking at Orix's visually confirmed losses, at least 1641 russian tanks have been confirmed destroyed (the total losses are more like 2500 but that includes tanks that have been captured abandoned or damage as opposed to destroyed, so they might have shown up again elsewhere or scrapped ship of Theseus style). And give that a lot of the time people won't have time to take pictures after the fact, the actual losses, particularly from things like pre sighted artillery that didn't have drones recording it, are going to be higher.
@@just-a-purple-ork You also have to factor in damaged tanks that will likely be recovered and repaired eventually. Not all the videos of tanks being returned to the field are taken. For example, Oryx could have images of the same tank, just that it was repaired, sent out, and damaged/abandoned again. Of course, in this instant, it doesn't matter because the tank was lost twice, and it should count as two different losses.
Perchance if you’re reading this now, know that this drama war between Lazerpig and ConeofArc and RedEffect is stupid and doesn’t mean anything. RedEffect’s videos are full of straw mans and don’t actually refute any of the pig’s main points while citing pro-russian propaganda, and Cone simply seems to have a bone to pick with Lazerpig because he disagrees with them. the pig himself isn’t interested in this drama, and after his response video, is likely going to disregard it going forward. Its best you do too, as this drama war exists for no reason other than RedEffect being butthurt about his favourite tank being shittalked.
Void actually claimed that rifling DOESN'T make a gun more accurate! Hah! Doesn't he know that we switched from smoothbore muskets to rifles because they're more accurate?
@anzaca1 rifling doesn't make modern tank rounds more accurate any fin stabilised shell out of a smoothbore is far more accurate than a regular shell out of a rifled gun this is why literally nobody wants to buy the challenger because its trash and the few countries that do outside of the UK requested them be fitted with smoothbore guns
@@anzaca1You do understand that rounds like APFSDS perform worse with rifling, right? British tanks need special bands around their APFSDS rounds to stop them from spinning. Rifling is meant for the HESH rounds. There is a reason all modern rounds are fin stabilised.
@@duceposting1831 Also, the Challenger isn't trash. Although its main gun lags behind its NATO counterparts, its armor is still good. But there is a reason the Challenger 3 is getting a German smoothbore gun. I don't know if they are getting rid of HESH though.
You know maybe red effect that is facts a little more straight maybe but laser big wins in the entertainment Department I watch a red effect video once I have seen every one of laser pigs videos at least five times
I like laserpig. He prefers to tell funny history stories. Also, all the T14 info available is effectively Russian State propoganda. Laserpig is being attacked for disputing Russian Propoganda. It's really funny.
@@voidtempering8700 Exactly! There is no trustworthy source of info on the T14 tank. People arguing about it is amusing! It could prove itself.....one day.
@@just-a-purple-ork Should I talk about the fact that we have literal images of the T-14s engine, or that we have knowledge about Russian imports on French thermal sights. I don't know how he came to the conclusion that there is no trustworthy information when some of the main combatants resort to using blog posts.
Let's be honest a BMP 1,2 or 3 could do the same thing to a Leo, Challenger or Abrams. That video people are over reacting about is frankly ignoring context and the whole information. The biggest myth that they are going on about is the MBT was destroyed it wasn't turret disable yes but not destroyed that was done after the fighting by something else. I wouldn't trust the Pig anymore not just on T-14 but at this point anything anymore, or rather take everything he once said with large amount of doubt.
Russia is not a modern nation. It has some modern stuff in it - FOREIGN modern stuff - but is still a medieval outlier in Europe. In fact this days i consider Europe to end where there is a border with russia. Georgia IS Europe. Armenia is Europe. Parts of Kazakhistan is Europe. Russia is not Europe. Call it its own continent. But Europe it aint.
Just a FYI That void guys is literally lying through his teeth 90% of the time I have a drone with high quality imaging and thermals. I use it to record wildlife on my property
Tell me, can that drone use automatic target tracking? Additionally, can it spot wildlife from 4km away clearly? If it can't, then it is behind even 1st gen military thermals, let alone 2nd. Edit: I exaggerated my claims a bit, 1st gen thermals can't use automatic target tracking, even some 2nd gen thermals can't.
When the Bible talks about swearing, it doesn't mean modern swear words. Most of those didn't even exist or have equivalents at the time it was written. It means the swearing of oaths in God's name, or literal curses (God damn it, by Jesus/bejaysus, etc).
Hi there, just clarifying something; Lazerpig mentioned that the tank that couldn’t reverse was the British challenger 2 tank not the Russian one. I think that one went over your head. Or you might not been paying attention at the time. Nevermind, having a live stream means you get distracted at times.
Not to be rude but this video of lazerpig was wrong about alot of things... And the best reference i suggest you watch is red effect as to me he corrects lazerpigs lazy research in my opinion... So theres a video idea for you... And if you want more video coverage you can just follow the beef between red effect and lazerpig... Just saying
The entire video is poorly researched with large amounts of misinformation about all tanks, IFV and SPG involved. I would recommend not trusting it as a good source of information.
Given that he actually uses (and can prove) primary sources from Archives, I find Lazerpig is actually one of the more accurate youtubers when it comes to armoured vehicles. Certainly a good deal more accurate than the vast majority. Given that I KNOW the level of actual research he puts in, and the number of sources he looks at, I am MUCH more inclined to accept some of his points than I am of most other people, including yourself. I do not necessarily agree with some of Lazerpigs opinions, but I will never accuse him of poor research. Perhaps it is 'poorly researched' because what he says is not to your liking? I generally find that is the number one reason for such an accusation. Oh, that UA-camr does not agree with me, therefore he is wrong because I cannot possibly be wrong, thus his research is poor.... But here is the problem, he is perfectly willing to post his cited sources.... Pray tell me where are yours?
@@alganhar1 Well here is your problem. LP provided none of those archival sources in his second video (the first video had none) and the one he claimed to use in his response video to criticisms of this video is available online. His claim that said Austrian archive he found it in would break GDPR laws just so that he would be informed if anyone checked out said (available online) document is nothing more then a fantasy. If it is my sources you want then I can give them to you: -Red Effects initial response video: ua-cam.com/video/nyWAd1pQiwU/v-deo.html -Chieftains response video: ua-cam.com/video/PUp-qGkQvNo/v-deo.html -Red Effects second response video: ua-cam.com/video/nyWAd1pQiwU/v-deo.html -Cone of Arc's second response video: ua-cam.com/video/YEA4B4BIw-8/v-deo.html Unlike LP these do all provide the sources they used for the information they talk about in the descriptions of their videos covering the matter. Yes the T-14 is a bad tank for Russia and has major problems. Russia for it's part does not have the financial resources needed to get the T-14 into a state where it can be accepted for service and start production let alone pay for a production line (all existing hulls where build fully by hand). This is not a personal attack on LP, I like his content style and all I want is for him to make jokes about correct information so that the tank community would not have to find itself in yet another "Abrams can only use jet fuel" situation in about 10 years time.
@@jeff2146 in regards to the research argument, lazerpig did post his sources in the description of his first video. In the second video, specifically in regards to the sla16, he showed his research in the form of video clips in the video it self. This requires the person in question to watch the video in order to see the sources. In regards to the facts about the t-14, it’s a closely guarded secret. No single point made about the tank can be proven one way or the other. To quote chieftain, all we can do is theorize. Anyone who tries to claim they know anything for a 100% fact about the tank is wrong.
@@jeff2146by LP I assume you mean red effect. I did watch there videos. Again, nothing can be proven one way or the other about the T-14. 50 years from now or when ever the t-14 is declassified, then we can see who was right and wrong. Again, I agree with chieftain in that regard. My question is this, why did red effect see fit to make a video just to prove lazerpig wrong? Literally any opinion on it could be plausible to some degree due to it being classified. This could have all been avoided if red effect had simply made his own video with his own thoughts on the t-14 instead of making a video just because he doesn’t like or believe in the hypothesis of another youtuber. To quote chieftain again, if you like one persons argument over this other persons argument, good for you.
Too bad this doesn't include the part where literally everyone point how LP was wrong and cringe only for LP f to go full manchild and basically cry after one of the best armored experts and his personal hero wouldn't take his side, FYI he wasn't taking anyones side (tho he did point out flaws in LPs reasoning , lack of evidence etc. ) . The expert was just trying to calm down the drama and to basically calm everyone down and "have a sitdown and talk things out" ,but no LP went autistic levels of REEEEE started publicly throwing shit and insults around even tho he was in the wrong like he is in most of his content. He was even desperate enough to try to get back some of his audience that left him during the incident that he did the collab with the tank museum and tried to remove stuff where he was critical and insulting of em. LP is a memer not a historian, he is about as capable of being accurate to real history as the wehraboo tards he rightfully mocks. Not only that but his episode showed to a wide audience how he truly is and everyone should remind people of that.
Secpnd: engine 24:40 Yeah ok, Audi TDI 2.0 120 HP, t34 500, t72 780, t90 1000+ (for variants), t95 1650, t14 1500. I'm in the motor pool so don't lie to me😜 The above vid is(n't) pure propaganda, (because you're too smart, ain't ya?)
@@momqabt So when are they going to use it then? Since it's development it's not been seen deployed anywhere. Seems like a waste of time and resources to spend that much on its development just to never use it.
@@manticore117because if they loose even one it will be a colossal embarrassment. I don’t think T14 is nearly as bad as pig wants every one to think it is, but it is also no where near as good as what Russia wants us to think it is.
@@Gravemind2073 Very true. I do find this drama around it quite silly though. Especially the refutations to LP's claims as if they have the absolute 100% true information on it. Which lets be honest, nobody has right now because it's true capabilities are classified. However if we use history as a reference, Russia has a habit of overhyping their tech where the west seems to downplay theirs. Coupled with the fact they refuse to send one of these things in to a fight make their claims about it's ability dubious at best.
Old Man - "At least they got it to spin!"
Russian Tank Crew 1 - "Can we get it to stop spinning?
Russiab Tank Crew 2 - *busy vomiting*
Helicopter Helicopter
Stuck in demo mode 😂
"you spin me right round, right round... engines are good, Sir!" **(the engines were, in fact, not good)**
Circa 26:00 : The engine CAN reverse, but it's so glacially slow that it's legitimately faster to just turn the whole tank around and go forward but in the other direction.
It has more to do with the transmission than the engine. 7 forward gears, 1 reverse.
@@voidtempering8700 Fair nuff, I don't engines so I forgot that the transmission was a separate issue, but that is still godawful design.
@@weirdferretthing It is not a bad design, it is a feature. No retreat, no fear, no hesitation. At least that's what we tell the commissars.
@@voidtempering8700 So it's Russian self-sabotage in an effort to look good?
I'm shocked. Truly stunned. Speechless. Flabbergasted even. Surprised, you might say. Taken aback, it could be said. Slackjawed, perhaps. Thrown for a loop, in some estimations. Floored, as the saying goes.
@@weirdferretthing I wouldn't say self sabotage. I was making a joke. Though that isn't beyond the realm of plausibility.
Those old Soviet tank engines are theoretically capable of reverse. Practically, the way it's set up grants one reverse gear at about 3-5km/h in a T-90.
😂 I love how you put "theoretically" that's funny dude
(Just in case I'm genuinely laughing, not being sarcastic cuz some people tends to misread others)
I mean, you just need to change the transmissions. Other countries use T-72s that have higher reverse speeds, such as Poland with their PT-91. Russia just doesn't.
that's like putting a sticker on a product saying 'yes this will help you lose 50 pounds in only a month or two'.... it's radioactive material breaking your body with cancer and cell destruction.
The whole Lazer Pig vs Tank UA-camrs lately is pretty funny
It's dumb. They attacked him, claiming he was wrong, but he's not.
@@anzaca1he admitted he was not doing well enough research at first so the call outs were justified, but the drama keeps building up for no reason between all of them. I don't even wanted to look into the whole Discord fiasco. IMO, it's just stupid funny, like we know the T-14 suck huge d*ck but they're just argue about the smallest shit about the tank.
@@anzaca1even if he was, attacking him just for one incorrect fact, when many others are far worse? From where I’m standing, it almost looks like they’re attacking him for the sake of attacking him! It’s asinine!
@@anzaca1 Only one attacked him. He then made a rant about the other one despite them being very respectful. He just can't handle criticism is all, so who then goes on a rant in another comment section and then deletes his comment.
@@TrinityCore60Did you check the arguments for what they said was wrong? It doesn't take in dept knowledge or a lot of time to fact check some of the things he said.
Imagine the US invading Canada and getting stuck 10 miles from the border because the tanks ran out of gas.
The Canadians would probably give them gas because they're Canadians.
@@twinky3349can i laugh, this is so funny😂 Canadians doing Canadians thing😂
Now imagine if US was under hard core sanctions by most of the developed world and the Canada was getting hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid while also pulling their entire population towards war while USA only pulls like 5% at most.
And your comment has nothing to do with tanks
@@KolyaUrtz yeah it won't happen with that scenario, if the US says they will conquer canada in three days, then they will do it in three days. it wasn't delayed by a year and a half, and for a 'superpower' to use 5% of its population to invade the poorest country in Europe, that was quite ironic.
@@andrian_syah1430 ...USA hasn't faced foe as strong as Ukraine currently since WW2... What are you even talking about? You are just throwing out baseless speculations and trash talking Russia for no legit reason. Canada isn't comparable to Ukraine whatsoever considering how close all their main cities are to USA. That one fact alone makes your comparison make 0 sense. If USA was in a place where currently Russian is they would have performed the same if not worse.
If you ever have time, I recommend looking up a series of videos by an Australian UA-camr named Perun, which goes into detail about how the Russian military wound up like... well, like you see above. Specifically, his videos "How Corruption Destroys Armies," "How Lies Destroy Armies," and "How Politics Destroys Armies" are all good dives into exactly how these problems- which are not unique to Russia by any means- are particularly problematic for a country that runs its military the way that Russia does.
On the log thing: Fuel consumption for tanks is not measured in miles to the gallon, it's usually measured on gallons to the mile.
From 34:21 to 35:05 I am not sure he even registered what Lazerpig was saying, you could see the loading circle above his head and hear the dial up tone
There are times I lose faith in humanity. That was one of those times.
@@OldManReacts I know what you mean. I am an Air Force vet that worked with B-52s and Russia was the big bad enemy we were training for… and then they invaded Ukraine. They have failed so hard they they have embarrassed us and me, this was the big bad scary enemy and we have just watched them Family Guy fall down the stairs
@@JamesRT1291I would say this was a long time in the making. They already "attempted" an invasion in 2014. I am not just talking about Crimea, they tried to push further into Ukraine but they failed, and this was when Ukraine's military was a fraction of what it is today.
The fact Putin thtough he could have pulled it off in 2022 doesn't make sense, and now it has cost hundreds of thousands of lives over a pointless war.
@@JamesRT1291 their existence is effectively an insult for first world militaries... our expectations were low but WTF?!
his ad read for world of warships is probably the funniest damn ad reads I've seen, I've shown it to a lot of friends just on its own
Void is a fitting name for that user. He reminds me greatly of a vast, empty space.
Not wrong, constantly trying the nitpicking “well actually” alleged technicalities that are either Vatnik copium or don’t make any material difference to the point being made...
@@MLaak86 It was not a nitpick, Lazerpig was using wrong information to prove how a tank was bad, didn't cite sources, or even outright lied.
The most notorious one was the optics. The Leclerc and T-14 use completely different sights, even the earlier generation tanks had worse optics.
There are a dozen things that you can use to criticize the T-14 with, but he resorted to lies.
@@MLaak86For reference, if I was to criticize the T-14 and rework his video, his final point about the fact that the Russians will never field it in any valuable numbers would go first.
He should also factor in how the gun the T-14 has was supposed to be fitted on the T-90M, but since that never happened it is obvious that they haven't got the gun working either.
I mentioned the sights previously, and although he is wrong on the point that they aren't from old Leclercs, he is right in that when compared to the latest generation of modern Western tanks, they do lag behind.
@@MLaak86Honestly, he should have just stuck with facts instead of making things up. Russians entire tank industry is in pieces and they haven't made a decent tank in a long time. They lost nearly 2000 of their tanks, many of which are their "modern" variants, and those tanks are vehicles that even former Soviet nations have developed better variants for.
@@voidtempering8700It’s REALLY funny, because in the follow up video LazerPig did, he explained his lack of source citation. On the other hand, I have seen like 20 comments of you saying ‘He’s wrong! He’s wrong!’ yet I have not seen you provide a SINGLE source as to why he could be wrong (that’s because he isn’t, his main gripe with the autoloader was that us was slower than crewed turrets, the fact that that T-14 has an unclearable turret was just an observation he made. If you actually listened to what he was saying before drowning in your copium, you’d understand that).
I am just a pig, in the rain.
I love that stuned silence that sometimes happens when you react to stuff its funny
The whole spinny-spinny thing? While they were filming the promo documentary, the turret traverse switch broke while at max traverse, locking the turret into spinning whenever there was power, and there were no spares available to fix it. They just went with it, occasionally reversing footage to make it look like it was spinning the other way...
the phone on the back is actually not to make phones calls but for dismounted infantry to talk to the tank crew
Anyway, they can reach you about that extended warranty.
question: have the russians never thought about using radios? like... i know they're strapped for resources but... i didn't think radio systems were that expensive
@@carbonwolf3865 the problem is not radios it's making the orders in top secret level encrypted
@@corwintipper7317 ah, the encryption is the issue. Ok, that explains the need for the phone on the back. Ok, thank you
Odd how RedAffects latest video is "T-14 Amerta Armour worse than we thought?"
What I think happened is that the Russians looked at the Merkeva and thought "we can make that" and then proceeded to faceplant the execution in epic fashion.
For example, both tanks share the modular design, with the Markeva having the same frame as the super-heavy Namer IFV/APC (for perspective, it's an IFV/APC that weighs 65+ tons and has its own APS system). Everything Laserpig says about this is true--it is a fuel-hungry monster--however the thing is that Israel is the size of New Jersey and they aren't planning on sending their IFVs far outside their borders. Doctrinally, their armored vehicles can be fuel-hungry monsters, as their supply lines are so short; Russia, on the other hand, can't say this, as their country is huge and they are trying to penetrate deep beyond their supply lines.
Similarly, both tanks have an armored capsule for the crew, with the Merkeva even putting its engine in the front so that a penetrator would need to go through it before it hits the crew. Russia's implementation of this idea is horrifically incompetent though, as they have basically turned their crew compartment into a pressure cooker, which doesn't even have an escape hatch (the Merkeva has a secondary hatch in the back so the crew can dismount safely under fire). It's actually a good idea to have a secondary capsule to protect the crew (eg. the A-10 Thunderbolt also has this around its cockpit), but the Russian implementation of this idea made it into a liability.
Both tanks rely heavily on their APS systems. The main issue here being the fact that the Russian APS doesn't work, while the Israel has two APS systems (the Trophy and Iron Fist), both of which are considered tied for the best in service. The Trophy is so good that the US has installed it on our Abrams, the Germans have installed it on their Leopards, and the UK is trialing it on their Challenger. It's the literal standard for a modern APS.
Both tanks have multiple remote weapons systems, in a similar configuration (but the Merkeva has an additional 50cal on the turret and mount for either a mortar, drone launcher, or 40mm grenade launcher), but the Armata doesn't have redundant controls in case something goes wrong.
In totality, you can kinda see where the Russian designers were aiming to go when they drew up the Armata. They just didn't have the follow-through or funding to actually make anything work.
They did actually have the funding. The issue is, the Armata is the only ta k that has the ability to turn into a luxury home or a yacht.
@@voidtempering8700 No, Vatnik, the T-14 is a hunk of junk - sure the program was likely stolen liberally from but it's still an out of date junk design.
Wouldn't trust lazerpig h posted fake sources and then also posted a crappy article that had nothing to do with the Armata and ofc an article saying the engine of the armata was from 1938 while there was 0 proof of it. he posted fake sources and then also posted a crappy article that had nothing to do with the
*audio starts @ 0:50
I recommend the channel Paper Skies: stories of aviation
You know that Abraham's X belongs in a Sci Fi setting but we keep forgetting the future is now . From WW1 to now in a hundred years thats something the Emperor might be interested in🤣
26:15 I think the designers were inspired by Stalin's Order 227. Not one step back comrades, to victory or death.
27:26 I was born in the middle of the Second Chechen war then. Obviously here in the states, but you grt the picture.
29:25 Exactly, logistics are how wars are won.
31:32 I was waiting for news of civil war. It took Wagner a single day to take over Rostov while it took them eight months to take Bakhmut and then I heard how there were things happening in the one city about halfway to Moscow. Then nothing came of it and I lost interest a couple days after. I remember eating three or four hotdogs with shredded cheese, ketchup, and Frank's Red Hot on them. It's weird I can remember the food better than how I heard Wagner took Rostov.
1:08:40 I like calling it the Schwarzkopf, after the commander of US forces in Desert Storm. Also, goes to show how good western tank proposals are compared to Russian tanks. The KF51 Panther can, and probably will, wallhack, and the Abrams X can turn invisible, and would likely be used for lightning strike assaults against enemies at night.
"It took Wagner a single day to take over Rostov while it took them eight months to take Bakhmut" lol, nice try IPSenko)))
the kf will be a new icon indeed. Can't wait for the south koreans to make another cheap copy lol
Russian tank drivers “I’ll try spinning, that is good trick!”
35:25 the engine claim was backed up by the tank museum, you can cry now
I apologize, but did they cite their sources for it?
@@voidtempering8700 (Yes new account) The source is the Tank museum, so if you want to go claim they are unreliable and unprofessional, go ahead, but i don't think your going to get very far.
My favorite parts of the video were when people were being mean to the know it all Russian sympathizer in chat (Void)
he's currently in the comments
What makes you think I am a Russian Sympathizer?
Okay having reread what he was saying in the chat and having read some of the comments that they’ve made, I really don’t think he’s a Russian sympathiser.
He just wants to correct some ultimately minor mistakes, he still seems to agree that it’s a big pile of shit and that Russia is hilariously incompetent.
@@voidtempering8700 my apologies for calling you a commiboo in the chat.
@@Azorees-oj5zr Its fine. But thanks for apologizing, that's the first time that has ever happened. Stuff like that doesn't really happen on the Internet.
15:00 They're trying to achieve take-off
VoidTempering sure seems to know a lot of things about how the Pig is wrong even though he's very much wrong himself.
Then explain how I was wrong?
@@voidtempering8700 You recycled Vatnik copium "point of law" excuses vs solid demolitions of the T-14.
@@voidtempering8700 simple you were factually incorrect lol
@@jacksmith-vs4ct And what facts prove me wrong? You have the sources that Lazerpig didn't have?
@@voidtempering8700what sources are those? The two morons who jumped on him and didn’t actually disprove anything he said beyond the error about engine power he made that he acknowledged and removed?
Well, Russian/Soviet tanks can reverse…at the average adult's walking pace. That's why the crews almost always turn around instead.
The controversy is ametures deciding to start shit with an actual historian who proceeded to drop his actual primary source sources and then point out that they're getting their information from a russian propaganda blog that cites itself and its author's own work as 'primary sources', with a little bit of angry drunk lazerporcine doing an oopsy-doodle drunkposting about how stupid it all was when somebody stuck their nose into it and owning up to that immediately.
Addendum: And the Abrams X is basically trying to go full Astartes for the lols. Because America has an overcompensation issue. Seriously, that thing is absolutely frightening.
It appears you didn't watch LazerPigs video, because that is not what he did. He is the one that cited a Russian blog.
Found the Vatnik.
@@voidtempering8700 Shut the fuck up and stop lying. That is literally the exact opposite of what happened. Fuck off, and get yourself some fucking help for your addiction to putin's dick.
@@voidtempering8700As did the people saying he was wrong, did you not watch the video either? The point being he cited things aside from the blog, while for the people saying he was wrong, the blog was often the only source they used, while he used actual historical texts, first hand russian accounts and research, and much more.
@@infernodelta70 I watched all 5. Did you check which sources he cited?
And what!? How dare take vactation. Displeased work noises, haha, that’s something I should do also. And I feel you on driving, I typically spends hours driving everyday to get to where I need to be to then work on stuff and then drive back, then drive a half hour from the shop to home. The longer drives to different farms, I show up sore as hell and already hurting, have old back and every other joint injuries, my time in The Corps didn’t do them any favors either, haha.
And oh if weren’t for the loss and suffering of Ukrainians, this whole debacle would be the worlds greatest comedic show. And stuff like this, is why as a kid, watching desert storm unfold, then learning all I could about the military in general and history, battles and wars and more and more modern things, technology and doctrine, logistics, etc. I came to the conclusion that the last time the Soviets were scary was early 60’s, and are/have been nothing but a joke to modern military. The only ships they’ve had that actually worked since the 1890’s were either bought or given to them by the west before the Soviet Union, or forming WWII, just like tanks, the best tanks the Soviets ever had were the stupid numbers of M2 lights, M3 Lees and M4’s we shipped them, along with fuel, oil ammo for those, and ammo and their gun designs we built for them in WWI and WWII and shipped them, along with clothes and blankets, the thousands of combined rail cars and locomotives we built to their gauge of rail and shipped them. We gave them so much canned meat in WWII that their troops were still eating it into the 1980’s and it was still safe to eat, of a little degraded. They’ve always been a joke, and always will be one. The most combat effective thing Russia has ever had is their winter, lol.
I kept thinking he was saying "Yamato" as the name of the tank, a fitting one given how that seemingly overpowering threat from another era ended up.
This is absolutely crazy to watch when it first came out and sense then war has erupted. I just want to give my two cents to the T-14 in the parade stopping. If you care, you can open up to the paragraphs below.
First and foremost, did the engine break down. For me at least I still classify it as a maybe. I've seen the E break argument, but I don't think that changes it. After the engine going kaput it just makes sense to turn on the E break incase something else fucks up, and someone forgot to disengage it when trying to tow it and people went stupid. If that wasn't the case than the driver fucked up in some way and everyone either incompetent enough or inexperienced enough to not know how to handle it.
So, lets say the engine didn't fuck up like they are known to do and the driver fucked up. Okay, why was someone that inexperienced in it driving it? Okay, that is rather harsh, it could have been nerves, it was an important holiday after all. One with Nazi engines but I digress. So, driver screwed something up and it was so bad that it had to be towed off. Apparently fucking it up SO badly that no one else could figure it out and the higher ups had to come down. Watching the video I most certainly think the E break was on, those tracks weren't moving (That or they picked the weakest fking thing to try and pull it and failed but I doubt that.), but if it was something as simple as E break being turned on then how the fuck did NOONE either know it was on, or know how to turn it off. And if it WAS just the E break being turned on and they realized it. It could have just driven on. But apparently no, it was a showcase of a rescue, a rescue in which they left the fking E break on, which wouldn't have happened if they had noticed it, and couldn't figure that out. That reeks of incompetence if that is the case, but I don't believe the rescue was part of the act. That wouldn't be something you do on your NEW tank. Doing it on one of the MANY T-34's is more likely as anyone could see see one of those things breaking down and is no where near as expensive should something go wrong. Going back. Considering the driver, the one supposedly trained to do it, couldn't figure it out, and if there was anyone else in the tank, THEY didn't know how to do it either, I wonder if that is actually the case of it being JUST the E break. There is the possibly that the E break was turned on then broke or got stuck, but that is still mechanical failure and not exactly a show of good craftmanship.
Best case scenario is the driver was just inexperienced and accidently turned on the E break, and there is no flashing light or something to indicate "Oh hey the E break is on!", which seems like a fking design flaw, and no one could figure it out. Side note, crazy to think that a driver going in a straight line could accidently switch on the E break. Why was it so easy in that case? Apparently so easy that it could have been missed as something you did. So, a case of incompetence or inexperience. Worst case scenario on the other hand is that the engine, or something else, did die and the E break was turned on as a safety measure as was forgotten to be taken off and everyone had a round of stupid.
This is just casual things I've noticed in my watching and reading of many things, but regardless of what happened, someone, somewhere, fucked up.
NASA spent a lot lof money on a Pen that would work in space. The USSR just used pencils. The Russian Federation eventually bought NASA's pens because the Graphite kept fouling up the Air Filters.
Sweden has a population of 10 million and I promise they domestically have better fighter jets than Russia.
Sweden stronk) i "promise"))
The gripen is noted as being quite possibly the worst 4th gen aircraft ever conceived bar the early F-16 and F-18 models its significantly worse than any other aircraft in service with any notable military
@@duceposting1831
Same shit as the Leopard 1 as has just been explained in the video you just watched.
The Swedish JAS 39 Gripen, of variants C and D, is notorious for being one of the cheapest new 4 or 4.5 generation fighter jets around. Its cost could go as low as $30 million per piece, a bargain for such an advanced machine.
I didn't say it's the best NATO plane.
I can not find any real critisism of this plane though. Just that it being cheap it's not suited for every job. As one would reasonably expect.
@Londronable it's not suited for any job back in 2008-2011 the Swiss conducted evaluations between the typhoon the rafale and a gripen D in which both the rafale and typhoon far exceeded the performance of the F-18C meanwhile the gripen D was significant inferior in air policing, defensive counter air(interception) and escort than the F-18C the only category it scored higher in was reconnaissance but still far behind the typhoon or rafale the gripen also failed to meet even the minimum air to ground capability
This evaluation was also scored as such the baseline of 6.00 was the F-18
The typhoon scored an average of 6.4
The rafale scored an average of 7.3
And the gripen an average of 4.9
Also I didn't watch the video I've watched the low quality spiel of the pig enough the guys not a historian and should never call himself one he's a drunken idiot who's friends with a pedophile who's touched children
@@duceposting1831That is far from true. The Gripen, especially the latest variants, are considered some of the best NATO aircraft.
The second most powerful nation in the world, people
your suggest?) SchweinWaffen maybe?))
Remind me how many countries that were in the top 10 armies of the world (including the United States as the first army in the world) lost to the barefoot Taliban, who didnt even have aviation?
The whole message is clear:
"Russian stupid" - Western military experts say the same?
"Ukrainians are not Nazis" - Western channels that interview Ukrainians with chevrans of Nazi eagles and swastikas are all stupid Russian propaganda.
"Western tanks are invincible" their turrets do not fly off, when the ammo is removed, the crew always remains alive.
They bluffed their way there. Albeit, no country really wants to fight them, so it was a good bluff. But corruption and lack of training and manufacturing expertise makes them a great power at best.
The thing is half of this is untrue.
Second most powerful military
Lol, where’s the sound at the start? Anyway, nice video choice.
Maybe we are giving the empire too much shit for how their soldiers are equipped...
6:30 Well in 1 word....corruption.
have you watched the infographic show on this matter too? they are pretty informative
No, they really aren't. It is laughable the things they constantly get wrong on anything considered military.
Infographics is ass
The current Abrams can probably pop the turret off the T-14 before the crew of the T-14 even realizes it's there with an American crew.
That depends on the crew. In NATO simulations, the tr85m1 did that to the abrams, and that's a tank inferior to the abrams.
Not to say that the t14 doesn't suck tho.
@denisionescu5072 Notice I said with an American crew. Because American crews have the most experience on the Abrams.
As to simulations those are not a good indicator of what US tank crews are capable of due to the well known fact that the US always handicaps itself in simulations and training exercises.
A better indicator is actual combat performance. Because a tank is a tank and any tank can be destroyed. Urban combat is also more of a bitch for tank crews.
@@John2r1 You took an L, stop trying to deny it.
@denisionescu5072 The US has roughly 8000 Abrams Tanks.
How many T-14 Armata's does Russia have that we can confirm again ?
Yeah Abrams beats Armata. Oh and the Chinese did actually claim that none of the supposed active defense systems work on the Armata. Meaning the crew would have to visually notice a projectile moving faster than the speed of sound at the tank to avoid being hit. Because if they are hit see what happens when T-90s get hit due to the autoloader system.
@@John2r1 read the whole comment.
At the end of my comment I said: "Not to say that the t14 doesn't suck tho."
By all means, let Russia keep using 80+ year old technology... We'll take the advanced stuff. :)
Maybe a little bit late, but have you watch Lazerpig's video about the Moskva?, it's very interersting and funny. A little bit of spoilers (not really) it was corruption what sink the ship.
1:19:25 aged like fine cheese... or wine for the alcoholics here
I’m sure we have idiots saying western tanks has been destroyed….but fail to mention, those tanks has had their 3rd gen CHOBHAM armor removed, along with depleted Uranium armor.
It’s stupid to send Tanks with Top secret armor out….the tank crew would have to completely destroy the tank….and that’s very hard to do, if the tank has its CHOBHAM Armor!
Sorry Russia! Not impressed.
Chobham armor has been obsolete for decades now, no one uses it.
Dont cry Little PIG, challenger 2 and leopards are burning in Ukraine.
@@haniel4411So, how many Russian tanks have been destroyed? Cope harder.
@@voidtempering8700 Looking at Orix's visually confirmed losses, at least 1641 russian tanks have been confirmed destroyed (the total losses are more like 2500 but that includes tanks that have been captured abandoned or damage as opposed to destroyed, so they might have shown up again elsewhere or scrapped ship of Theseus style).
And give that a lot of the time people won't have time to take pictures after the fact, the actual losses, particularly from things like pre sighted artillery that didn't have drones recording it, are going to be higher.
@@just-a-purple-ork You also have to factor in damaged tanks that will likely be recovered and repaired eventually. Not all the videos of tanks being returned to the field are taken.
For example, Oryx could have images of the same tank, just that it was repaired, sent out, and damaged/abandoned again. Of course, in this instant, it doesn't matter because the tank was lost twice, and it should count as two different losses.
the "abbadon" of tanks
God, this has made me laugh so hard XD
ALL GLORIES TO THE PIG!!!
1:12:47 Fear Russia’s model airplane technology!
Unhealthcare at its finest with the AbramsX
Perchance if you’re reading this now, know that this drama war between Lazerpig and ConeofArc and RedEffect is stupid and doesn’t mean anything. RedEffect’s videos are full of straw mans and don’t actually refute any of the pig’s main points while citing pro-russian propaganda, and Cone simply seems to have a bone to pick with Lazerpig because he disagrees with them. the pig himself isn’t interested in this drama, and after his response video, is likely going to disregard it going forward. Its best you do too, as this drama war exists for no reason other than RedEffect being butthurt about his favourite tank being shittalked.
Name one pro-Russian source Red used.
Why would I bother when you can go look yourself? Or more to the point, why bother when even if either were to happen, you'd just ignore it.
voidtempering the vatnik
Void actually claimed that rifling DOESN'T make a gun more accurate! Hah! Doesn't he know that we switched from smoothbore muskets to rifles because they're more accurate?
@anzaca1 rifling doesn't make modern tank rounds more accurate any fin stabilised shell out of a smoothbore is far more accurate than a regular shell out of a rifled gun this is why literally nobody wants to buy the challenger because its trash and the few countries that do outside of the UK requested them be fitted with smoothbore guns
@@anzaca1You do understand that rounds like APFSDS perform worse with rifling, right? British tanks need special bands around their APFSDS rounds to stop them from spinning. Rifling is meant for the HESH rounds. There is a reason all modern rounds are fin stabilised.
Also, how am I a Vatnik? Since when has wanting actual information made on a Vatnik. In my history, only Vatniks call other people Vatniks.
@@duceposting1831 Also, the Challenger isn't trash. Although its main gun lags behind its NATO counterparts, its armor is still good. But there is a reason the Challenger 3 is getting a German smoothbore gun. I don't know if they are getting rid of HESH though.
You know maybe red effect that is facts a little more straight maybe but laser big wins in the entertainment Department I watch a red effect video once I have seen every one of laser pigs videos at least five times
amateurs talk tactics, dilettantes discuss strategy, professionals think logistics.
I like laserpig. He prefers to tell funny history stories. Also, all the T14 info available is effectively Russian State propoganda. Laserpig is being attacked for disputing Russian Propoganda. It's really funny.
That is funny, especially considering his primary source was a Russian Blog.
@@voidtempering8700 Exactly! There is no trustworthy source of info on the T14 tank. People arguing about it is amusing! It could prove itself.....one day.
@@eccone That is also untrue, there are trustworthy sources.
@@voidtempering8700 Obviously you're not going to state them since that would require they actually exist.
@@just-a-purple-ork Should I talk about the fact that we have literal images of the T-14s engine, or that we have knowledge about Russian imports on French thermal sights.
I don't know how he came to the conclusion that there is no trustworthy information when some of the main combatants resort to using blog posts.
Kids, this is how stupidity propagates.
God sake lazerpig predicted that Bradley autocannon will destroy russian tank, but not T-14. Two Bradley kicked one T-90.
Let's be honest a BMP 1,2 or 3 could do the same thing to a Leo, Challenger or Abrams. That video people are over reacting about is frankly ignoring context and the whole information.
The biggest myth that they are going on about is the MBT was destroyed it wasn't turret disable yes but not destroyed that was done after the fighting by something else.
I wouldn't trust the Pig anymore not just on T-14 but at this point anything anymore, or rather take everything he once said with large amount of doubt.
Why are you implying that World of Warships is a cure for Thrush?
yeah, its funny until you realize that Russia is supposed to be a nuclear superpower.
then the anxiety sets in.
X-Y.
And then Red Effect had to correct the Pig.
Russia is not a modern nation. It has some modern stuff in it - FOREIGN modern stuff - but is still a medieval outlier in Europe. In fact this days i consider Europe to end where there is a border with russia. Georgia IS Europe. Armenia is Europe. Parts of Kazakhistan is Europe. Russia is not Europe. Call it its own continent. But Europe it aint.
Just a FYI
That void guys is literally lying through his teeth 90% of the time
I have a drone with high quality imaging and thermals. I use it to record wildlife on my property
Tell me, can that drone use automatic target tracking? Additionally, can it spot wildlife from 4km away clearly? If it can't, then it is behind even 1st gen military thermals, let alone 2nd.
Edit: I exaggerated my claims a bit, 1st gen thermals can't use automatic target tracking, even some 2nd gen thermals can't.
bible says swearing is wrong
When the Bible talks about swearing, it doesn't mean modern swear words. Most of those didn't even exist or have equivalents at the time it was written. It means the swearing of oaths in God's name, or literal curses (God damn it, by Jesus/bejaysus, etc).
Hi there, just clarifying something; Lazerpig mentioned that the tank that couldn’t reverse was the British challenger 2 tank not the Russian one.
I think that one went over your head. Or you might not been paying attention at the time.
Nevermind, having a live stream means you get distracted at times.
That void is a very weird person
Not to be rude but this video of lazerpig was wrong about alot of things... And the best reference i suggest you watch is red effect as to me he corrects lazerpigs lazy research in my opinion... So theres a video idea for you... And if you want more video coverage you can just follow the beef between red effect and lazerpig... Just saying
The Pig is a fraud and double talker I wish more people will react to Red and the drama vids and they get to see what the Pig sadly truly is.
😂 Watching videos from LezerPig can lower your IQ
The entire video is poorly researched with large amounts of misinformation about all tanks, IFV and SPG involved. I would recommend not trusting it as a good source of information.
Given that he actually uses (and can prove) primary sources from Archives, I find Lazerpig is actually one of the more accurate youtubers when it comes to armoured vehicles. Certainly a good deal more accurate than the vast majority.
Given that I KNOW the level of actual research he puts in, and the number of sources he looks at, I am MUCH more inclined to accept some of his points than I am of most other people, including yourself. I do not necessarily agree with some of Lazerpigs opinions, but I will never accuse him of poor research.
Perhaps it is 'poorly researched' because what he says is not to your liking? I generally find that is the number one reason for such an accusation. Oh, that UA-camr does not agree with me, therefore he is wrong because I cannot possibly be wrong, thus his research is poor....
But here is the problem, he is perfectly willing to post his cited sources.... Pray tell me where are yours?
@@alganhar1
Well here is your problem. LP provided none of those archival sources in his second video (the first video had none) and the one he claimed to use in his response video to criticisms of this video is available online. His claim that said Austrian archive he found it in would break GDPR laws just so that he would be informed if anyone checked out said (available online) document is nothing more then a fantasy.
If it is my sources you want then I can give them to you:
-Red Effects initial response video: ua-cam.com/video/nyWAd1pQiwU/v-deo.html
-Chieftains response video: ua-cam.com/video/PUp-qGkQvNo/v-deo.html
-Red Effects second response video: ua-cam.com/video/nyWAd1pQiwU/v-deo.html
-Cone of Arc's second response video: ua-cam.com/video/YEA4B4BIw-8/v-deo.html
Unlike LP these do all provide the sources they used for the information they talk about in the descriptions of their videos covering the matter. Yes the T-14 is a bad tank for Russia and has major problems. Russia for it's part does not have the financial resources needed to get the T-14 into a state where it can be accepted for service and start production let alone pay for a production line (all existing hulls where build fully by hand).
This is not a personal attack on LP, I like his content style and all I want is for him to make jokes about correct information so that the tank community would not have to find itself in yet another "Abrams can only use jet fuel" situation in about 10 years time.
@@jeff2146 in regards to the research argument, lazerpig did post his sources in the description of his first video. In the second video, specifically in regards to the sla16, he showed his research in the form of video clips in the video it self. This requires the person in question to watch the video in order to see the sources. In regards to the facts about the t-14, it’s a closely guarded secret. No single point made about the tank can be proven one way or the other. To quote chieftain, all we can do is theorize. Anyone who tries to claim they know anything for a 100% fact about the tank is wrong.
@@insanity693 it is with the source he provided that both LP and Cone where able to prove him wrong. For this you would need to watch thier videos.
@@jeff2146by LP I assume you mean red effect. I did watch there videos. Again, nothing can be proven one way or the other about the T-14. 50 years from now or when ever the t-14 is declassified, then we can see who was right and wrong. Again, I agree with chieftain in that regard. My question is this, why did red effect see fit to make a video just to prove lazerpig wrong? Literally any opinion on it could be plausible to some degree due to it being classified. This could have all been avoided if red effect had simply made his own video with his own thoughts on the t-14 instead of making a video just because he doesn’t like or believe in the hypothesis of another youtuber. To quote chieftain again, if you like one persons argument over this other persons argument, good for you.
Too bad this doesn't include the part where literally everyone point how LP was wrong and cringe only for LP f to go full manchild and basically cry after one of the best armored experts and his personal hero wouldn't take his side, FYI he wasn't taking anyones side (tho he did point out flaws in LPs reasoning , lack of evidence etc. ) .
The expert was just trying to calm down the drama and to basically calm everyone down and "have a sitdown and talk things out" ,but no LP went autistic levels of REEEEE started publicly throwing shit and insults around even tho he was in the wrong like he is in most of his content. He was even desperate enough to try to get back some of his audience that left him during the incident that he did the collab with the tank museum and tried to remove stuff where he was critical and insulting of em.
LP is a memer not a historian, he is about as capable of being accurate to real history as the wehraboo tards he rightfully mocks. Not only that but his episode showed to a wide audience how he truly is and everyone should remind people of that.
Spoiler, it wasn't correct.
red effect shits on lazer pig all the time
Ok, Old Man...I know you've been army, I'm currently (still) in (not US) army...if this vid is for a laugh sure, but the t14 don't suck...that much😅
Ok, found the first bad take: 22:30 if Russia is so desperate why isn't the armata on the front line
Answer: because Russia isn't so desperate🤦♂️
Secpnd: engine 24:40
Yeah ok, Audi TDI 2.0 120 HP, t34 500, t72 780, t90 1000+ (for variants), t95 1650, t14 1500.
I'm in the motor pool so don't lie to me😜
The above vid is(n't) pure propaganda, (because you're too smart, ain't ya?)
@@momqabt So when are they going to use it then? Since it's development it's not been seen deployed anywhere. Seems like a waste of time and resources to spend that much on its development just to never use it.
@@manticore117because if they loose even one it will be a colossal embarrassment. I don’t think T14 is nearly as bad as pig wants every one to think it is, but it is also no where near as good as what Russia wants us to think it is.
@@Gravemind2073 Very true. I do find this drama around it quite silly though. Especially the refutations to LP's claims as if they have the absolute 100% true information on it. Which lets be honest, nobody has right now because it's true capabilities are classified. However if we use history as a reference, Russia has a habit of overhyping their tech where the west seems to downplay theirs. Coupled with the fact they refuse to send one of these things in to a fight make their claims about it's ability dubious at best.
Lazerpig was very wrong in some points, and pull out the trust me bro card sometimes, it was kinda funny lol
what is this slop? reacts to a video regarding the T14 Armata and the entire time the only reaction is "ey" "yep" mhmm" "nice" etc etc etc