How to Get Better Tone from any Modeler...
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
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Lets talk about 2 ways to get better tone from any modeler, EQ and compression... specifically lets talk using EQ shelves and post amp compression to get a more polished sort of "mastered" guitar tone!
Fantastic advice. Even using mild shelving & comp, you can hear a difference. Would love a similar quick video for bass 😀
Brand new QC user (after a year+ w/an MX5 that I could never dial in right) and feel so much better about modeling with you in my corner. Excellent advice and looking forward to more deep dives into QC with you. Thank you!
What is CQ?
That is the reason why I dig modellers. Being able to get mix ready sounds. Taking the time ahead of recording will save tons in mixing. Don't forget, always, always, always catch the DI signal as well.
For in the box guitars (Tonex, Helix Native & Neural DSP etc) I now have loaded a plugin called DI-fix from Plugin Boutique and also Waves new Magma BB Tubes plugin... so I can massage the signal going into the guitar sims. Helps a lot for some guitars and some profiles.
That Plexi rips. Sounds amazing.
Thanks dude!! The real amp is way back there behind that crate amp in the background lol. I think the Helix really nails Plexi sounds.
I think you're a great person to have in the guitar industry. Thanks for sharing, friend.
Wow, thank you
I've also found adding the Supro Pre ahead of the amp with some light drive gives it more of a tube feel. Think Superbolt pedal as sort of an always on part of your sound.
Brilliant video, thank you. As you mention in the video it would be great to view a similar process in the QC. Thanks again for all your superb content.
Love this tip. I love playing one of your plexi patches, and I'll definitely be playing around with this trick on it.
I really enjoyed this, I also use shelving eq on fiddle besides my strat, it really focuses my midrange and sweetens it. Thanks for posting!
That's just made my Helix patches sound so much better. Thanks for the tip. 🤘
@ToneJunkie I ha e learned more about good tone from your Channel than I have from a lot of Helix content. I'm loving then tone matched IRs I've purchased. Loving my 65 Twin Reverb. I now own my dream amp.
The LA2A comp is at the end of all the Helix patches by Jason Sadites. He agrees its part of the mastering stage for post amp sweetening to give it that studio quality. This actual rack unit is used by actual producers in the studio.
Love this. Thanks
Thanks for taking the time to explain your process for improving the feel. These methods have given me wonderful results on my presets!
Do you have any thoughts on using the Mic Preamp before/after the IR on the Helix?
Love these types of videos!! Thank you, sir!
Not any modeler, but the modelers where you can add post EQ and post compression would be more correct.
touche!
The same for the Tonex Pedal would be nice!
This is super helpful but what settings would be similar on a non-studio compressor? Threshold, attack, knee etc
Awesome video!!! Thank you for doing this
great video HW i will be taking this idea into some of my favourite stomp presets for my new small board build
Thanks ToneJunkie it works just great. Thanks again.
Nice job HW! Thanks for the tips!
Quality content 👌🏻
So on my stomp i would put those in the last blocks🤔 I use a hybrid i get the delay from my amp. That is a great tone😎
Nice video, can u do a tutorial on building a good tone using the G1xFour? Im sure u have it. Thanks
I use several LA compressors in my chain, but I play clean with humbuckers in an es335 style guitar, which sounds horrible thru a line 6 Helix. I first have to peak-up different parts of the clean signal along with adding a tone pedal and also double amping in the Helix chainl and finally out into the power section of my AER 60. Although it still sounds sharp, the result is tons better just using one amp amp in the Helix chain along with conventional pedal drives. Except during the Leo Fender blackface days, amps have seldom been voiced for either hollow or semihollow PAF equipped guitars.
This works well, unfortunately a lot of modelers don’t have more than one compressors or sufficient eq blocks.
Thanks for this! Please do one for the Kemper : )
That sounds incredible. It is a Line 6 HX you're using?
Very appreciated!!!!! As always 💪🏽
Jason does this stuff with the shelf eq,and comp. Good job, sounds good. And you make me miss my Fiesta Red Suhr I had. I couldn’t get past the second position sound. I did buy an ash/maple Suhr SSS with stainless steel frets. Put Suhr 70’s pups in. Love it.
Ha, I just ended up getting my dream acoustic and with the other electrics I have, it equals to about that.
Nice! But the antique Kemper has only 4 fx slots behind the amp section……. They are deeply sleeping and the competitors are on their way to take them over. Such a shame
I'll use this knowledge in my Micro Cube
Well dang I think I want a Marshall now
The Plexi sound Is almost the same from the beginning till the end of the video.
super useful video!!!! Thanks!!!!
Does Kemper have a LA type compressor? What is it called?
That works really well. BTW, you can easily toggle the selected block in HX Edit with your spacebar. It's way faster than the mouse.
🤩 Wow! you are correct,I have never noticed that!
Good stuff, bro 👌🏼
This is gold !
Is this why online Kemper demos don't always sound the same when played at home? :)
Is this patch available with the IR?
So interesting!
Would you put a Studio compressor in the end of the chain even with heavy metal high gain amps, like a 5150?
Yeah try the comp with the settings form the video and the mix at like 20%, it may be awesome or it may sound worse! 😂 nits worth a shot.
Love the love of modeler, but any love for the variax?
Hear hear, the new cable that Christian Graffe and now CME are looking at will take variax finally wireless and allow everyone to control a variax now, helix floor or not in the mix
Second! Great video!
so did the compressor. are you trying to nuke your guitar tone?
I can never seen to get a sound I like out of my monitors when using the helix, but if I play through the line 6 power cab it sound fine. My monitors are Yamaha hs7's. I even had kali lp6 and the same thing, didn't like it. Any tips on running through monitors vs power cab? Thanks
The monitors are way more honest than the power cab. Meaning they are producing a sound that is, more or less, what you made.
Other things to consider: Where are your monitors placed? chest high? head height? where is the power cab? on the floor? That massively affects perceived frequencies as well.
If the power cab is on the floor, its going to be adding worlds of bass into the heard frequencies as compared to monitors that are on a table. That alone could be it: you might be liking a beefier tone the power cab is creating. The monitors can make that same tone too, you just have to adjust your presets to get there.
I trust my LP6 monitors for my Axe FX3 and love them a lot. The produce an almost identical tone to what I hear in my headphones (Sennheiser HD58X).
I plug my Helix with an es335 style guitar into the power section of my AC 60, but I play clean. Either way, it sounds horrible. However, without doctoring up the signal with LA compressors and other aids, it sounds hideously worse. Most amps seem to like strats, teles, PRSs, and LPs, which I don't.
I also prefer the power cab. A lot of it is probably the speaker aimed directly at your ears. That your monitors away from you and if you like it more you just prefer a more amp I the soon tone where the speaker isn’t aimed at you.
The Yamahas should be no problem.I use HS8s.I also have Genelec 8040a , old great set, for recording.
Also , great value Adam T5V at a cheap ptice are sweet too.
You should probably check if the output is set to line level when using monitors.
Cool 'mon!
Sounds more focused.
I just play the Katana.
Vid seems way overdone.
Just say use a post amp EQ with both high cut and low cut and then put a compressor after that with light compression on. Done!
Way too much talk of shelving blah blah blah.
You doing a Home Depot project there or what? 🤦
Hahahahahaha.
the eq shelf made it worse actually
HoWie!!!! "HW" are your initials, not your name you silly dude.
I got a Source Audio's Collider reverb/delay pedal in my stereo effects loop, were would I place it in my Helix/PodGo/native signal path? Tryed it in front of amp block and it's really noisy even with proper gain staging, I place it after a stereo dynamics block at end of my signal chain. Seems to work better, is it right? In a real amp head I'd put it in effect loop of amplifier, how would I do that in Helix/PodGo/Native?
Love how "any modellers" are reduced to Helix, QC, Axe and Kemper. 🙄
Doesn’t this work on any modeler with EQ and compression?
...throw them in the trash bin,and use a real amp.