I Can't Be The Only One Chasing This Problem..
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Last time i had a ticking engine like that, i accidentally came to the conclusion that it was due to cheap/thin walled headers.
I had aleready given up on the noise.
Well, at some point i decided to wrap my headers, and to my surprise all my “ticking” noises were gone.
Here is something that helps tracking down valvetrain noises. Take your timing light, and hook it up to different plug wires while watching the light and listening to the noise. Once you can get it to match (if the noise is at the top end) or have some sort of rhythm (bottom end). That should at least hone you in on the right cylinder.
Great tip 👌👌👌
Back in the day a buddy of mine put a cheap header on his Honda and was perplexed as to what the ticking was… we put the manifold back on, noise went away. So yeah you’re right about that!
This makes way too much sense. I like it.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY hey bro you had a video about an hour ago and some reason it's gone what's up
Pretty awesome reply here
"I can hear I got an exhaust leak though." When is there ever not an exhaust leak... LOL ... FML
Back in the day . I had this issue. I put new lifters and better oil . It never completely go away but it did get better .
Had this problem plenty times . Changes rockers, lifters and all. It was the springs I had on the heads . Heavy close rate. It'll do it every time . And btw love the content. 🥂
My rollers sound like a sewing machine too. It is what it is. I try not to pay attension to it.. lol
always appreciate the time you take out for everyone brother. You rock out loud. Happy Memorial Day I hope all is good with the fam and sooner or later we will meet up at an event.
Thanks Terry 😎✊
I hope you get it to what you like....I have a small chatter on the passenger side of mine as well.....I want to do new rocker..push rods and lifters to see if it will clear up everything.....good luck master brew2l 🏆
another great video
Love your videos man. just like hanging out with my dad and messing with the foxes🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Thanks for the video Bmoney!
Thanks for watching brother 🙌
@@BREW2LFOXBODY yeah man. Just trying to help with the algorithm.
Happy Memorial day 👍
I would recommend try 1 turn preload, make sure the rocker tips are properly aligned, look at the lifters (with rockers and push rods off) to make sure all the plungers come back up tight to the snap ring, and unhooking plug wires 1 at a time to rule out header noise.
I was chasing the same issue for awhile, had installed trick flow top end kit. Well, turned out to be a pushrod was not completely drilled for the oil passage. It was just a pin hole at one end of the pushrod restriction oil. Informed trickflow and next day delivered new set of pushrods.
That’s some bad luck right there. 😳
Nice! That is the color of my Proform 1.7 rockers. I got a lifter bleed down tick every cold start on a new set of lifters (Ford Performance)
If there is no offset on the rockers, the pushrod is being lifted at an angle rather than straight up and down. They used almost exact highport valve locations for high flow.
That kind of sounds like lifters to me. I had a fox that just wouldn’t stop tapping and once I threw a new set of lifters in it, it went away
I would adjust with rocker covers off put a piece of cardboard on the bottom end of the rocker arm and head to catch any oil coming out andjust when cars is warmed up its alot better you can adjust as it's running ,back them off they will tick then tighten them up to they stop ticking and if that don't work I would replace lifters again just a suggestion buddy love all the videos 💯
If you set them at zero lash and a 1/4 turn they more than likely will have a little noise. Especially with a more radical cam profile, good video boss man! 👍🏼
I purchased the PRW adjustable pedestal mount rockers. Very interested in seeing how long they last. They do seem to be pretty well made.
Great video I always enjoy the content and I'm like you in that I hate those pesky little noises
I hate saying this brother, but twice in 12 months. 1 was a 351w and one was the 306 in my dads fox that I’ve been tuning. If you hear it more after revving it, cut your oil filter open. Look at it and check for metal flake. Check again after running a new filter to make sure it’s not leftover from the old rockers. Both engines of mine tore up the entire bottom end. Mostly the mains. Seems to me main bearings tap rather than knock
That sucks, but I'm sure you'll get it figured out good luck man
I think I might have an idea… we will see
PRW are good for the budget. Mine is still hold up and running well in my Supercharged modified 87 Mustang after 3yrs. You will be fine with those rockers
Adjustable guide plates are pretty cheap, set the alignment and also pushrod length to center rollers on the valve tip. Beyond that it’s lifters or rockers. Also ensure the rockers aren’t lightly tapping the valve covers. Just in case re-check that you’re adjusting at the correct cam position. I used to do big block chevys by sound while they were running. I don’t recommend that 😀Keep after it you’ll figure it out.
I’m thinking about a new set of guide plates. I always adjust on base circle. Thanks for the tips ✊
Brew2l I chased rocker noise for a while. I ended up taking off the intake manifold and found the oil plug that’s on the top of the rear china rail just laying there. I had good oil pressure but lots of lifter chatter. Then one day it blew that off and I found the plug sitting like that. Just food for thought
Chased this noisey rocker for awhile.. passenger side,.050 longer push rod made it better, blamed E cam, but after cam swap, I found passenger top oil galley plug was poped out behind T chain, this is the back door to the oiling route, cyl 1 intake lifter allowed oil galley pressure , I always had oil pressure 15-60, tapped oil galley plugs, no more ticking.
Nice find!
I have Ford racing in mine and for 4 years they have chattered the whole time. They Mello down once warmed up. But still chatter
I had this issue on mine that are 1.72's, one if the seats that mounted from head to rocker was this slightly out of square mounting tab that's square u shape so it had a bit if play if i took the pressure of it and twisted it back and forth. Swapped it and magically it stopped, drive me nuts and i was worried a new roller lifter or rocker was going to wear super fast lol Everything stock but cam, lifters, rockers and pushrods
I know that is hecka frustrating my Brother. Does sound better than it did though. You definitely had a roller rocker issue so it was worth the time to change them. 💯 In my opinion it sounds like a lifter noise now. 🤷🏾♂️ Hopefully you’re still taking the Carbon Fox to FTO. 👊🏾
You can smoke test the exhaust system to find any possible exhaust leaks . Works better when you spray it all down then wait for the bubbles .
I had a similar ticking sound recently. Come to find out I had kicked a rocker sideways and it hammered the top of the valve. About to install new valve and trick flow 1.6
The swedge end push rods looked fine still.
Hey Bew2l, just wanted to start off by saying I love the UA-cam channel and watch every video! But, I am currently building a 93 SSP coupe car and I’m in the need of some help as I have never did this before. I’m wanting to do a gt40 heads, cobra upper and lower intake, and a B-cam setup but I honestly know nothing about if this setup will work and what I need to make it work. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated from you or anyone here, thanks!
My car sounded exactly the same . Turns out I left my lifters out for too long and they froze . The tapping last for weeks and even took out two rockers (rod was digging into grove) and then just like that they freed up and ran smooth and quiet ever since .
That’s crazy
I had a 85 with a fresh built motor and I had to adjust them three times before I got it right. But it was a night and day difference. It was the first motor I built so it was definitely user/ builder error. That's how you learn.
chasing same problem #6 cylinder had a lifter that the roller lost bearings and stuck and wore a flat spot on the roller so I replaced all the lifters hoping the cam was ok looking down the bore it had some wear but figured it would be fine after replacing lifters it still made noise so I replaced the stage 1 cam with another stage 1 cam and still have a lifter tick on start up that goes away in 5 seconds but doesn't always do it I probably depends on were the engine stops sometimes it will stop with pressure on lifter other times it won't I'm thinking seeing it goes away I'm gonna live with it.
My car sounds the same. I changed lifters and rockers still sound the same.
Ford racing lifters and crane rockers 1.6.
I'm in same place ill live with it. Thanks for the video makes me feel better I'm not the only one with this problem. Lol
Have the same issue. Cruising normal it runs good. Get on it a little bit and they sound loose like you didn’t even adjust them. I think pushrods are my problem
Had a ton of valvetrain noise on my setup too. Stud mount 1.72 trickflow rockers, 11r heads, cam etc… Ended up replacing the stock lifters with FRPP ones and spent a lot of time making sure the rockers were perfectly centered on the valve tip and tightened 5/8 turn past zero lash. The noise went away, sounds almost stock.
Maybe tighten the rockers up a touch to see if it changes.
I honestly think it’s going to be in the rocker alignment like you stated. The guide plates are definitely off centered causing the rockers to sit on the edge of the valve. I’ll probably have to slot the guide plate holes around the stud to correct it.
Just buy some adjustable guide plates, save yourself the time and mess.
Yep. It's the lifter's collapsing.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY You can cut the guide plate in half, align, then spot weld together when installed.
@@hotrodray6802 great idea 💡
Great looking rockers. What’s the ratio of the new rockers? I have had a lot of valve train noise when running 1.72 ratio rockers on a SBF, and occasionally some noise with 1.6 ratio rocker on flat tappets. The flat tappet noise is a whole different can of worms. Thanks Bro for sharing this, and I know that you will get it figured out. Good luck, and Hagd.
I had this issue also with crane 1.7 roller rockers, it came with aluminum pedestals for the rockers… I replaced the aluminum pedestals with steel ones and it was then completely quite afterwards.. problem solved!
I'm using the same exact rocker on my 363 no problems nice rocker for the money
Great info 👌
My TFS1 hits pretty good. Maybe the head combo?
I have to replace head gaskets, I’m a little nervous with my roller rockers, to adjust afterwards never done it.
It sounds pretty good and that’s a good price on those roller rockers, the Harland Sharp are bit more money.
As far as valve train I’m not all what you have going on. Does it have guide plates? Hardend pushrods? Check the valve geometry (pushrod length)? As far as depth, depending on the lifter I go far down as I can without blocking the actual oil passage (like a faux short travel) check the geometry at this point to make sure the pushrod is the right length by looking at the contact patch on the valve stem (I use a black marker and actuate the valve). If your like man f all that bs then try this for shitz, get a really thick blanket when warms up and ticks throw it on your header not the vc just the header. If the noise it dampened greatly it’s you thin headers just wrap the headers. Pro tip-dont leave the blanket on the header long.
Just a shot in the dark- Maybe try a high zinc oil? It helped on a friends fresh build that was sort of ticking like that.
Im running VR1 50w ✊👌
@@BREW2LFOXBODY Yeah that’s the good stuff! You’ll figure it out, and we get to learn more in the process. Keep up the grind, and thanks for being a star in the fox community. 👍🏻
Had this problem when I replaced timing chain, water pump and head gaskets. Only part that gave me a hard time was valve adjustment. I have 1.6 skorpion roller rockers. Car ran strong before all of this lots of power. Everything went together nicely and was able to get the car running . I went by the recommended adjustments from skorpion and none of there recommendations worked for me 1/4-1/2 passed 0 lash. Followed as told car was backfiring a lot out of exhaust and intake even tweaking timing to get it to idle correctly every time I adjusted them and re checked them. Also the cars power fell off around 3000 rpm and gradually got better as I tightened more passed zero lash was able to get it to drive under load at 5000 rpm before valve floating occurred. Finally I decided to adjust them by ear I was out of options so adjust at temperature while the engine is running I did one side at a time and used cardboard to prevent most of the oil dripping back off each poly lock until I heard the ticking from the rockers then tightened slowly until the ticking stops very minimal and lock it down move on. I was very nervous to do this and I figured my used valves and valve seats on my aluminum heads which I hadn’t gotten checked had their own wear characteristics so I kept everything in order from the jump. I think this is why their recommended adjustment didn’t work for me. I didn’t think it could be done with the plenum on and it’s annoying having to take it off multiple times but This worked for me car pulls hard and strong all it was was valve adjustment and a little timing at 15degrees hope you can figure it out so much easier with a carburetor 😫best of luck
I’ve adjusted valves many times that way and it works great. Obviously I can’t adjust that way with efi. I’m hoping the guide plates are causing the issues
@@BREW2LFOXBODY mine is efi brother 😂😂it was not fun it is doable
I don’t believe I can get a wrench under my intake on the drives without an intake spacer.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY I didn’t think I could either trust me you’ll need someone with small hands for sure some of the rockers are easier than others and could take you 20-30 min per side that’s why I did a side at a time
both my 302 and 351 did that. I ran a quarter turn. Annoying but it ran.
I had the same issue that wouldn't go away on my fox. Everywhere online said lifter preload should be half a turn. Until I ran across a video that said thats for chevys, SBF should be around 3/4 of a turn. Man that engine has never been that quiet and idled so smooth since!
@brew2l what's up bro? Check the rocker arm where the pushrod goes and see if the area was pushed in. I had that issue with some crane cams 1.7 rocker arms.
Thanks it’s all seated properly from what I can tell.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY man I hope it can get figured out soon!
I'd be curious if a different brand & or grade of oil might quiet it up...✌
I’m using Comp roller tip only rockers in my build due to budget. No crazy sounds from it, but not running anything wild.
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It's the valve guides. Mine sounded just like that and that's what it was.....
no crazy wear on the push rod that accompanied the rocker that was worn out
i had same issue a long time ago ,turns out valve guides were bad ,took heads out to a machine shop.and they put new guides ,problem went away
all ways Check the push rod cups on the lifters and rockers when its apart, seen a few fail and crack in the last few years on one suppliers llifters and there sold under a ton of brands. . As for prw rockers there imports. For aluminum I'd rather do US made scorpions for not much more $ but if its a real tight budget look into Elgin stainless rockers, imports and on par with prw stuff. Hate seeing how prices are being jacked on old sbf in the past few years though.
I am having the same issue with my 95, same weird tap noise I’ve been chasing for about a year now, I’m thinking about just rebuilding the dang thing.
I’m hoping I can get it figured out soon and share my findings
All autos do this.. I have one that does the same thing..heads cam intake car..thought it was bad cam lobes but it’s not..only time you don’t hear tapping is when it had stock cam/heads and no tune.
Myke myke just had an issue like this a day ago
Stock 5.0 valvetrain is noisy, but works fine. lash gets bigger with heat, maybe slightly loose lash? i believe alum heads needs .003 tighter than steel heads.
Considering this is hydraulic lifters it’s set to 1/2 to 3/4 turn after zero lash. No way should there be a gap between the valve stem and the rocker unless something else is wrong. I’m wondering if it’s not the guide plates causing the rocker to sit crooked on the valve.
I have a stock 90 with 70k and it's real quiet.
Mob1 10/30 and police car oil cooler/heater.
I run scorpions , had to buy 2 sets as I run 1.7s on exhaust 1.6 on intake with the almighty B cam. I didn’t like the small trunnion on the PRWs .
so how do you adjust roller rockers? new to.the fox scene. what's the steps?
I have a ticking noise on mine, it’s only around 2k rpm. I can let go of the throttle and it goes away and I slightly give it throttle and you can hear it ticking. Doesn’t do it at idle or high rpm. I’m so lost. About to pull covers off. Brand new crate engine too from blueprint. 150 miles on it.
my 82 351 swap ticks and runs great. It drives me crazy thinking a rocker is about to come off but I have driven it 14 hour round trip no issues. I am about to take everything off and put different heads rockers lifters on it and pray it stops lol. You'll figure it out and then tell me how to fix mine.
Man, my last comment to you was how my valvetrain was running great since day one. Well wouldn't you know it, the devil struck me 😂
I went for a ride 2 days later and one (or more) of my lifters gave out. I now have the top end completely apart replacing lifters and chasing down an issue that I hope I can solve with new lifters and upgrading to Scorpion rockers from the Summit branded ones. I'm actually worried it's a valve or seat issue, but I won't know until i get it put back together.
And all if this right before FTO. It's just not fair 😅
So, in my research I'm finding out that so many people are having lifter problems, and the most common ones from Ford Racing, Trick Flow, Comp Cams, it's hit or miss with all of them. I just can't get myself to spend $500+ on a set of lifters on a stock block build, it just shouldn't be that way.
I'm taking a gamble with a brand new set of Ford Racing lifters that I have on hand for another engine, which are replacing a set of Ford lifters that are giving me trouble.
I just need the car together for FTO.
The struggle is real, and way more common than it should be because the quality of certain parts just isn't the same as it was even 10 years ago.
I'll know more in a few days, but for now my fingers are crossed the car will be running at 100% when I get it back together.
I totally feel your pain.
3/4 turn past lash should be zero valve clatter. Lifters, rods and valves are next!
Sounds a lot quieter but it’s still there. I could be completely wrong but it sounds like lifter noise to me.
I could be wrong, but didn't the 93-95 Cobra motors have a chatter from the factory with the crane 1.7's? I think Ford's corrective action was to have the factory valve covers lined with a lead based lining to dampen the noise a little. All my foxbodies with roller rockers have had that chatter noise. I think it's just how roller rockers are.
I’m running tfs 1 also. It sounds decent but overall I’m not impressed. At some point I’ll end up replacing that cam with something different
Taking notes ✍️
When I saw the title I thought you were talking about my car ……..0h well ……
Did you ever flip those lifters around? Could it be the link bars?
Lash caps is 80’s stuff my friend, and is for solid lift with crappy valve material
Lifters today are noises, and poor quality, do u have the adjustable pushrod guides, sometimes being a little crooked makes chatter
I've had this problem ever since I got a dart block, I had a cast crank in it and just recently threw out the thrust bearing so I said fuck it and spent a grand on a nice forged neutral balance crank and I shit u not my noisy valve train is quiet.. wtf I always adjust them by firing order, maybe this time I got it right idk
I had roller rockers on my old 5.0. Could never get them set right. Sold the car and built motor for 1500. Bought a 02 lightning for the same amount
I have built numerous Ford engines and they have all been really quiet but on beans I have a somewhat more aggressive cam .600 lift 248@50 110lsa and I have a little noise that originally scared the hell out of me but all of the vitals are good and it is only when warm or cold that it makes the noise and you gotta have your head right above the engine to hear it, like just standing back you can't hear it but i can't remember if it was when it was warm or cold when it does it but the last time I had the hood up I really don't remember hearing it. Hey do u have a spare 8.8 pinion flange i can buy from ya ? Im local, I just got a new one and its for the 7.5 😭 I could meet at the store on 84 this week if so,
This is definitely a little to loud for my liking. But probably not going to hurt a thing. I don’t have an extra flange. If I did you’d be more than welcome to it 👌
@@BREW2LFOXBODY thanks man, its is kinda hard to judge over the video but I could hear some noise and im like you I don't want any noises, so im pretty sure that it is louder than mine which would drive me crazy which my noise isn't like a lifter tap it sounds like you can kinda hear the lifters rolling over the cam in a way but it may have faded away during the break in process, ive still got 200 miles to go before I can hammer on it 😜 that's for your offer if you would have had one, im fixing to see if I can find another one
@@BREW2LFOXBODY oh yeah if you are going to trash those lifters let me know I will take them and use them in another motor that I am fixing to build and u could drop them at that store and I can swing by and get them, im working in hidden lakes this week which is right down the road couple miles from the circle
These are some of the issues I'm having, that has me questioning myself, on my build. I literally took it to a shop to go over everything to make sure it's right and good to go, now hopefully I'll get to bring it to FTO, we'll see I'm coming either way..
You're like me. I hear any other noise other than a deep exhaust rumble. I know something is off.
maybe lifters? or exhaust manifold, header leak?
An s-trim with straight cut gears will cure that problem :)
Lol I agree
I fill your pain brother I believe I have slight tapping noise to.. maybe quality of product?
I think it’s going to be something else. I’ve use budget parts my entire life and never had this problem.
Hope you get it figured out...
are those prws the self align or non self align version?
I have a question about FTO - if Andrew is there, can we bring him some snack cakes? 🤣
Please do 👌🤣
😂😂😂
Andrew's favorites are Zebra cakes or Peanut Butter Creme Pie's
Does it actually ever really get "cold" down there? :)
15w40 oil fixed mine
Tried that first actually
@@BREW2LFOXBODY Lucas
what happen the old rule for a 5.0 a air filter under hood is hot aire in the the fender is cool air
I just like the look of this intake. I also have an Anderson power pipe for the fender as well.
Whats your oil pressure at? The fact that you say the cam doesnt hit right kinda leads me to believe possibly you have a slightly wiped cam and that will cause the lifter to not roll over it right and lead to tapping, I had that problem on a flat tappet motor but its not impossible to have a bad cam on a roller motor.
I went back into the first tapping video, and noticed the guide plates arent black coated like normal hardened guide plates are. Are the push rods sloppy in the guide plates?
I just ordered new adjustable ones.
I’m having the same issue with my car and it’s driving me insane!
We will get to the bottom of this issue 💯✊
@@BREW2LFOXBODY Definitely gonna keep watching and I think we will! Trial and error! Lol. Thanks for the video! Very relatable! Lol
Lifters
Perhaps it's just how some aftermarket parts are made but I agree there shouldn't be any chatter, does sound better, I'd say time will tell, maybe after a full day of driving it'll improve more but again time will tell
Is this late vid? You mentioned in livestream needing longer pushrods?
Yes. The pushrod video is coming out this week.
You have to take some measurements. The only things it cane be is miss adjustment, lifters, pushrods, or valve guides.
🔔😎
Think about this:
Strong springs and fast ramp rates are squishing the lifter's preload.
True, but this cam and spring combo shouldn’t be anything out of the norm.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY WEAK LIFTERS.
Just saw post that you installed new link bar lifters. 😲
Don't know if bars can rattle in those slots
or if lifters are weak.
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came u come work on my motor I have no clue how to work on these cars
Wheels on the shelf for sale as yet?
Not yet 😎
You did install those link bar lifters didn't you?
Yes
@@BREW2LFOXBODY 😱😱😱🤔 ok
Maybe the bars are chattering?
What type oil u run?
VR1 50w
Tfs 1 cams just don't hit that good Ive had the same experience, they work pretty good but def lacking on the sound.
Maybe so. Just makes me wonder if something else is at play..
@@BREW2LFOXBODY did you ever upgrade the throttle body? If your still running stock that's a pretty major restriction. Not saying it will help the idle but still. Also the problem is it still has the aod 😂
@@BREW2LFOXBODY My TFS stage 1 sounds much choppier, I used to have a b-cam and the TFS doesn't sound much different.
Hey now… none of that AOD bashing 🤣
Definitely should be a lot more choppy than it is. Imo
Maybe you have a bad lifter and it keeps collapsing and losing its preload?
It seems to move around some. But that thought has crossed my mind.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY, I've had them do that too, eventually after numerous heating and cooling cycles and several miles of driving they quieted down.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY Are those link bar lifters used?
Might be worn too much.
@@hotrodray6802 brand new