Marvel Ordered Legendary Writer to NOT Write Comics
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Marvel Studios under Kevin Feige have progressively gotten more ashamed of their comic book roots. Despite every successful show or movie they made being based on comic stories. In fact, Marvel ordered legendary writer Jeph Loeb not to write comics while leading Marvel Television. This has come to light after Marvel's Secret Invasion director Ali Selim revealed he was ordered not read the Secret Invasion comics. Wes explains why Marvel's embarrassment of comic books has made them abandon the source material and make terrible shows and movies. Marvel ordered legendary writer to not write comics.
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Imagine making The Lord of the Rings and not basing it on the story itself. The end result is a piece of garbage in a Lord of the Rings skin suit. Kind of like Rings of Power.
There no “Kind of” about it. That was Amazon mindset from the start. Sadly that toxic mentality spread and infected everything.
Well…will know what this sad imagining looks like by 2026.
Tolkien is turning in his grave…
Happy Father’s Day Wes and all dads.
I didn’t know Marvel Comics could ‘order’ anyone to do anything. This is a free country! Artists need to come forward with these type of things.
Marvel & DC weren't bought by studios to publish comics. They just wanted the legal rights for movies, TV shows, merchandise, and all that. Actual comic books have not even been a afterthought.
Sad but true
The comics were going bad even before Disney bought Marvel. The people working there now are just really bad at their jobs. It just went on steroids once Disney got em. Everything needs a reboot back to the end of the 90s. At least shit sold during that Copper Age and we had hella titles. Once everything entered that digital age of that very late 90s-early 00s it all started to go bad and now its blown the F up the past 15 years.
Those stupid shows would not exist without the source material!!! If these hacks had any bloody respect they woukd stop spitting on the graves of Stan Lee and all the other great creators and treat the comics with bloody respect!!!!
Not true at all. Marvel and DC were making comics way before they started making movies. the ONLY reason that movies started coming out is because the studios attached to the comic companies used the rights to the characters in said comics to make more money
@@leonarddement3432 Bro, absolutely not, they were never associated to studios before. They were comics-only companies and they sold the rights for many characters when in need of money. And the buyers were movie studios who saw the goldmine that was remaking these stories for the big screen
Jeph Loeb's 2000s Superman run is criminally underrated. Hell, basically unknown to most.
Yeah, the early 2000's were a great time to be a Superman fan. The Joe Kelly run on Action was pretty great too.
So when we say 'THEY didn't want comic pros to write comics' and 'THEY (MCU) didn't want to hire comic book fans as writers' who specifically are we talking about? Would be good to figure out the specific people who are intentionally screwing things up here.
Disney's all about agendas PERIOD no matter what!
You forgot he worked on Smallville and lost....plus he gave us commando too
Jeph should've been the guy chosen to script a Superman movie years ago. But nooooo.
If one of these struggling Hollywood studios were smart....they would hire Jeph Loeb to re-launch their film/tv lines. I believe two or three small comic book lines are owned by film studios. It should be a perfect fit.
Jeph Loeb was one of the first writers I came across as a kid. He’s definitive to me. If I saw his name on a book, I’d at least check it out. I’m definitely ready for The Last Halloween
His Superman/Batman is solely responsible for getting me back into comics during the early-mid 2000's.
One thing that drives me nuts is the massive deviation of the costumes.
Starting with Endgame, they've moved further away, not to mention everybody having the same outfit texture..
Yeah the MCU making heroes uniform just like Fox X-men. Even though the DCU sucked they leaned into diverse costumes and capes always look cool (even if not practical). They need to lean into the rule of cool and have some fun with it.
@@PrivateCitizen84 I was a character designer for 30 years, an example of concept; you tell 5 ppl to wear a black outfit, other being black, they'll be wearing different types of clothes and textures.
Not to mention influences from cultural differences
Disney wants the IPs but don't want to look at the source material (Secret Invasion) or even build up any stories worth a dang.
Corporate greed, am I right? 😊
They want all the power, and none of the responsibility.
Not the first time that happened Claremont spent years without writing becouse Marvel would pay him is usual cache to prevent him from doing work outside.
Also... did you guy forgot that Loeb last work was Ultimatum? This was a blessing in disguise.
Or the Batman: The Long Halloween arc?
First Thor movie was the best of the four
Everything that you have presented and stated is 100% correct
They used to look down at Agents of SHIELD and those early TV efforts. The irony is AOS is now considered 100 times better than anything Disney + has pooped out.
This is probably what happened to that third season of Netflix transformers kingdom. They got writers who either didn’t or were told not to watch the original beast wars series.
Both Warner Bros. and Disney, the owners of two major comic book companies, have shown little regard for the quality of comic book writing for more than a decade. This lack of attention begs the question: why should they suddenly prioritize the source material now? The Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) films have been criticized for favoring spectacle over substance, and it seems they have even faltered in delivering on the spectacle front as well.
I want a martial arts movie focused on life lessons with little to no figthing.
I want a bio pick about the Chicago Bulls centered around the Human Recsource dept.
I want a Delta Force movie but from the p.o.v. of the equipment staff.
I want a Captain America, Black Panther, Blade team up movie featuring no Steve Rogers, no Tchalla and Blade's daughter being taught to use the Shield by Agent Carter.
Hollywood make it so!
A bad moment here and there? Has Loeb written a good comic in the last 20 years?
Also, why is it unreasonable to have the person heading a studio focus solely on that job?
even before that, his work was mostly trash. Legend is a bit of stretch, here
I remember hearing once that they had Claremont on the payroll and basically paid him not to write. They don't want writers that can do the job, they want people who fit into little boxes that they can wave in front of the press and proclaim how progressive they are because they have whatever flavor of the month writting for them
Now they are letting the old timers write again out of desperation, but only side stories and mini series, they don't want them righting the ship or anything
You're spot on Wes. There is a reason the early Marvel films were so successful, and that is that they were relatively faithful adaptions of comics and characters that people loved. I get the impression from some of Kevin Feige's comments that he seems to think that's not important now, and certainly it's contributed to some quite poor adaptions more recently, because of ignoring what made it all successful in the first place.
Yeah I guess they can't pay them or won't pay them.its sad that the cost of each art page is to low.
Happy Father’s Day to all of you geek dads out there!
Marvel CEO Kevin Feige doesn't know what he's doing. he needs to get fired. they need to put Isaac Perlmutter back to CEO of Marvel comics.
Perlmutter the dude who sabotage the X Men, Fantastic Four and possibly ordered the OMD hit on Spidey because he threw a hissy fit over not being able to buy back the rights back then? That Perlmutter?
@@spiderghost6940 yes the same person who save Marvel Comics of a Bankruptcy and that is Isaac Perlmutter . Kevin Feige trying to turn the MCU into M-she-U. Kevin Feige he was behind of the Marvels. the Marvels. the sequel to captain marvel , was a disappointing box office flop for Disney. Ant-Man and the wasp: Quantumania was a Disappointing release for marvel studios. it was a box office flop.
Very insightful, as always. Thanks, Wes. Good stuff, mate.
Jeph's Marvel comics leading up to working on the Netflix series, Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum were utterly unreadable so perhaps they did fans a favour. Jeph's work never synched that well except when he was paired with Tim Sale.
100 percent agree with you my friend! A lot of people forget about the 70s and 80s movies that kind of hinted at the source material but try to stay away from it. Also kind of funny that you brought up X-Men's movies considering the director has been on record to AVOID the source material ... especially the yellow outfits!( Glad Scott had a comeback in Xmen 97 for that one!)
Lucky this doesn’t befall Image!
Gatekeeping is vital. Only people who care about something should be involved in the brand.
Or talented people willing to do the basics like research the source. Star Trek Wraith of Khan was not made by Star Trek fans, but they did research the source and paid a pretty good homage to the characters and the lore.
Awesome work mate
ESG is running Disney aka MCU, so stories do not mean anything anymore! This could change with new DC leadership, not throwing ESG money out to companies for being woke!
I’ve honestly enjoyed all the things that Jeph Leob has written. I hope he comes back to full time comics writing
gross
@@robinmohamedally7587 to each their own
Is that a Sonic Youth or a Sonic the Hedgehog t-shirt?!?
EXCELLENT WORK. THINKING CRITICAL
Trash move Marvel
I know he’s done a lot, but I loved Loeb and Ed McGuiness’s Red Hulk intro. Especially considering it had to follow up WW Hulk…too bad it looks like the MCU might mess up his debut (red hulk) :(
this is a perplexing thing we are seeing here... wow
He just announced will write the long Halloween sequel, ain’t it right?
The Marvel Cinematic Universe and the DC Extended Universe were both a mistake. If the M.C.U. and the DC E.U. were both going to be ruined like this in the end because of executive meddling not letting the movies and T.V. series finally be much more accurate to the original canon source material, then I would rather that none of it ever even worked at all. Instead they should've just not respected the lore of the comic books like they always do. They were going to do that anyway, so why even give a shit, right?
They had the same asshole attitude ever since the changes that they made with every movie and T.V. series before Marvel Studios had made Iron Man in 2008, and in the case of Warner Bros. Pictures, ever since before DC Films had made Man Of Steel in 2013. So why act like they really cared to make the stories based on the comics match the writing of the comics as close as possible? They lied. They said that it was the point of making a connected cinematic universe, but they never followed through. It was all a big deception and trick.
Hollywood never intended to translate DC and Marvel into adaptations of film, and television that were 75% to 98% true to the way that the stories actually go. They made the movies just to please mass audiences. Which are mainly casuals and normies who go to movie theaters and watch T.V., not buy, collect and read comics, and graphic novels about super-hero characters. Once they made the movies and T.V. series popular, and the main characters who are the hero protagonists sell very well, they stuck to whatever made the formula successful and appealing to general audiences. The 2% to 25% of nerds and geeks in the audiences didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. We never have and we never will.
True they do not respect the social material to an extent but remember these are supposed to be adaptations We really want to talk about something that don't really respect the social material it was really Marvel when we got to phase four and when they start seeing a lot of success Guess the DCU did take from different adaptation source materials but they never said that they were adapting straight from straight so that was what made the DCU differently Marvel started off adapting comic book stories from page to screen but Warner Brothers never did that before So nobody surprised about that is when Zach left and they just said to hell with everything and just do whatever That's when things didn't work for the DCU because you have an overarching story You have a multiverse and DC is good at telling alternate stories and a lot of their adaptations a lot of their adaptations never go from the social material they'll take parts from the social security because we can get mad at the DCU but there are moments where they do take things and respect this material the source material anyway is when you get too successful when you think you know better like the MCU that's where you get failure is was more tougher for Marvel than his DC but for some reason we don't allow DC to experiment as much as we allowed Marvel to experiment and that's was a problem but I don't know a movie that made damn near close to 900 million worldwide like Batman versus Superman can't be that much donkey dick. And we really need to stop with that unnecessary hate for that because there are plenty of movies that has done worse that we never want to talk about that quote unquote stuck to the source material You know what I mean. Because sometimes the social security isn't all that great you know but it's one of those things like we do have people nowadays in the comic book industry and in Marvel and DC that don't respect the social material but I don't know what we can do about it it's just kind of weird how all of that happens but when something's an adaptation it's an adaptation I feel like sometimes we confuse adaptation and inspiration and a one-to-one for many things because did we really want a one-to-one adaptation of DC comic books maybe live actual wise I don't know I don't know because DC has always done their live action never really based on anything they'll take moments from source material and they'll use that as inspiration for story but other than that I don't know if we can call creedence to DC cuz DC like to do Oh multiverse so everything can be different it's Marvel that really is the one that stopped respecting the material a long time ago but both of them in comic books right now have definitely disrespected the source material nowadays
This is SO STUPID! Jeph Loeb is one of MY FAVORITE writers of all time, I would recommend just about anything he does. But of course DC has no clue what they're doing 🤦
Best guess: they wanted to own EVERYTHING Loeb created during the time they employed him, and they didnt want him doing something he could argue belonged to him, not Marvel TV.
Dinsey has done stufff like that before. They tried to get Carl Banks to sign a contract that anything he created would belong to Disney.
The only things under Jeph Lobe that I would consider 'crap' are 'Ultimate Spider-Man', 'Avengers Assemble', and 'Hulk & The Agents Of Smash'.
Loeb was NOT in charge of Television. It was Ike Perlmutter, and HE demanded that they keep the TV and Movies separated. And given how badly the TV side did, compared to the MCU on the big screen, it was a good call.
Loeb had a really fun X-Force run as well. I highly recommend it. Well, at least up to 56. That final 3 part Shatterstar arc was terrible. I don't know what happened there. Felt like a really bad ghost writer took over but they kept his name on them.
John Fahhvro?
Cool, I'm not the only one who has thought that the Super hero films have gone back to the way that they made them in the 80's. They use s character and don't bother doing anything for it to be like original.
Heck they used to do that for all thr books made into films.
Jurassic Park 2 had similarities to the book. But was still nothing like it. To name one
Disney cares much more about the "message", and would rather ruin their franchises from Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Marvel, Pixar, etc. Even their own IP's, they rather do live action adaptations remakes instead of 2D animation. Although I don't know that much about Jeph, I think that he should replace Kevin. Edit: Also to do something but trying to do it blind with no references or history/information is so stupid and lazy. It's like trying to draw or paint something with no references, or a person trying to cook a recipe without knowing what goes into it, or directions. This also explains swaps and bends of characters, because they don't know the source material.
"Because comic books and video games are for kids" - we all heard this in one variation or the other. I think that's where the disrespect and shame come from.
A lot of small mindedness is born out of ignorance due to no frame of reference. Chernobylite between the violent gameplay parts goes on about the perils and evils of the Soviet Union era. This is not a game with kids in mind for sure. The story goes into all types of really bad uncomfortable stuff done in that era. It's not Mario Kart family fun for sure.
I think this is a classic case of modernisation of media by erasing prior content. Someone, somewhere , have decided that comic book media need to be reinvented and that the best way to do it was to undo all that it was. The problem is that comic book is a cultural phenomena not a media. The proof of it is that many small publisher still make end, barely but they do. When you but social media centered administrator that work on like with classes so thick that white look dark gray, you don't have to wonder why people look at your catalogue and wonder what your doing with... CULTURAL PROPRIETY, like most of Marvel dans Dc characters.
Loeb stopped being good after his son passed away. All the good books you cited were prior to that. After, we got the mediocre Red Hulk, the terrible Wolverine stuff, Ultimatum, and Ultimates 3. The poor guy has never been the same. I do hate seeing Disney Marvel tell anyone not to write, but Loeb transitioned into TV at just the right time as far as I'm concerned because he couldn't ruin books anymore. Maybe a return now will turn things around for him, but he'd become terrible.
Thats so dumb
Nice to find someone else who thinks the first Thor is the best, I never got the love for Ragnarok.
Marvel tv was ok but I never really trusted that abc network budget and I was right not to when inhumans movie/tv show happened.
I don't support much of what marvel does, but keeping Jeph Loeb away from anything creative is 100% the right idea.
I personally don't think Zack Snyder knows how to direct superhero movies especially Batman and Superman...heck the whole JL and the villains he chose were given weak arcs except for General Zod in Man of Steel even though his death didn't sit well with me.
When marvel first reallly came on the scene with iron man (i liked blade and punisher but they didnt blow up), they took their time. They knew they wanted to do the avengers, they built up each character for it. The movies were from some of the best stories and events in marvel histry. After endgame they used up the BEST of marvel from decades, the reset we see in comics does not go well for movies. Add the current era politics and bad story telling, and here we are. The well is empty and the audience isnt thirsty
Lets honest it was always mediocre, there were bit that were enjoyable but i would say that the most fun i had was with Guardians and think that its mostly because James Gunn is a talented guy. I did enjoy the original Ironman, i personally remember loving the First Captain America film, Thinking Thor was alright but i hated Natalie Portman. All and all it always felt like a shitty adaptation, the Marvels and all this bullshit its because they completely lost the plot.
I lost all respect for them when they sidelined Hank Pym as an old guy, one of the most interesting marvel characters with so much complexity to him, Wasp also. This are two characters that are so important to the Avengers as a whole, the entire back bone of their MCU. they always felt really hollow. Let alone killing Quicksilver in that shitty age of ultron movie. Like they rushed the whole thing, intead of setting up Hank Pym and Wasp, they rushed Vision,Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. That was their biggest mistake IMO. because they showed they were not mature enough or careful enough to build up something meaningful and if you enjoyed the rushed MCU then ok. I personally felt like the MCU is like a comic with horrible phasing with some good issues here and there but that overall falls flat and that was when it was "Good".
Marvel's MCU is dead to me I'm never going to watch any of their new movies I'll probably just watch Deadpool and wolverine because they're not part of the MCU and the X-Men comic books are trash these days I stopped buying them I'm moving on from marvel I'm looking to other franchises that know what they're doing and know how to tell a real story
tbf when loeb ended his partnership w sale he started to suck anyway. or did u forget about ultimatum?
Lol loeb sucks come on brother . Hes has a lot of bad moments. He ran ultimates into the ground ...his " who is the red hulk'....remember wolverine being a lycan?
All Thor movies were trash.
Why does Wes sound like he is trying to rewrite history when talking about the DCEU?
Jeph Loeb, comics book LEGEND??? HAHAHAH man, you are desperate!
He is. At least legendary enough, that I recognize him. He write some of the books that sells, years from his time.
You're the one desperate for attention, here!
What should be almost a 100 years of great comics gets sidetracked by these activist.
BTW, the whole secret invasion thing was stolen from a 1980s indy artist who came up with that comic book series title first.
After Endgame there was an obvious directive to shit on everything that came before. Infinity Stones shoved into a drawer on Loki. Ten second reveal crapped all over ten years of Marvel movies. Secret Invasion having Skrulls with everyone’s power! Not Just F4s powers. All of the Marvel characters powers. In thirty seconds they made every Marvel character not special! Disney has taken a tone. New must step on old to get over. Sounds like the corporate mentality of getting ahead of not creating great things but merely shitting on other people’s ideas to get ahead.
Well his legacy is kind of secure. He didn't burnout or out stay his welcome. People always reference/recommend his stuff all the time. His stuff was part of the first stuff I read as a new DC reader.
Kevin Feige is nothing but a disrespectful hack! I hate to be so negative but this disrespectful towards comic creators and the comics is just too much!
There is nothing GOOFY about Infinity Gauntlet. It still blows away pretty much ever DC "event" of the last 30 years with the exception of Crisis on Infinite Earths and Blackest Night. And I hold that it could have been done near it's original premise if they really wanted too, instead of the completely hollow Eco-Environmental bullshit they gave us. Still a killer translation though. Also I don't find it a problem that Marvel TV would want Loeb to focus on his job there and not do comics. That is completely reasonable expectation based on the job description. So I wouldn't hold that as some problem. You think it is fine, but apparently Loeb had no problem with it either or the pay check he got for doing it. WTF20.
Because these movie executives and directors are jealous.
Why is it Loeb can have good and bad comics, but you don't afford that same courtesy to Kevin Feige?
Exactly. Loeb fucking blows. Why are they calling him a "legend"? His work is mostly garbage. A couple of the marvel hero Color series and Batman: LH and DV are not enough to counter the mountain of horseshit he made in his career. Including overrated low IQ trash like Hush and Superman/Batman .
Kevin Feige expunged the team around him who made the early phases of the MCU and what we had left is solo Kevin Feige. That did not work out well for the later phases of the MCU.
@@PrivateCitizen84 who did he get rid of?
@@illithidlore I think it was two main people. This is old news. It happened many years ago. You'd have to look it up if you are that concerned about it?
i think having a full time job, i wouldn't like my man in charge to be doing freelance work as well. there's only so many hours in a day. Completely reasonable
So, Wes, you are telling me the Red Skull is not Italian? 😂😂
Great video man
I have a question for anyone; which green goblin do you prefer: Spectacular or animated series ?
Animated Series from the 1990s. He was a good Norman Osborn. Even more accurate to the comic book Green Goblin than the one from Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends back in the 1980s. And that one is also a good version just as well.
Eh, at the time he was being trusted to build the TV universe and try to tie into the films and Netflix. His attention was spread thin. He also needed a break because he was still dealing with his son Sam's death.
Plus if he really wanted to do something, they would have done it.
All either company has to do is give up on original and especially origin stories and just look at the top selling graphic novels of all time, hand them to a decent screen adapter, and print money.
Kenneth Branagh...He may not have been a comic book guy, but word is he understood/respected fans. According to one anecdote, he wanted to change the name Mjolnir, because it was hard to say and sounded silly. But before doing so, he asked some producer if the fans would be upset with the change. He was told fans would indeed be upset. So he shrugged and continued making the movie with the comic-accurate name, and all was well with the world...
I met Jeph Loeb yesterday at his FanExpo Panel. He is very considerate and easy going. And told us some things about his controversial decisions throughout his career in the entertainment industry. All he said was most of that stuff wasn’t on him but higher ups.
Wow I had no idea the guy who played Wallander directed the first Thor movie
It could be worse. Marvel could have employees of Revlon writing all their television work.
Isn’t revlon a cosmetics brand?
And that is why live action X-Men will fail. There is no hope for them nor the Fantastic Four. Shit will be written as pure BASURA! To be honest I'm pretty sure Deadpool & Wolverine along with Secret Wars and Avengers 5 will be TRASH too. They will do fine financially bc of NOSTAGLIA! But that's it, it will not make sense narratively and when people give it enough time and look back on those films they will see them for what they REALLY are. Just like No Way Home.......that movie is not good at all. Pent up demand and wanting to get out of the house during Covid times is what made that movie so much fucking money. JUST bc it has people's childhood in it does NOT make it good. It fucking makes no sense story wise. The whole fucking Multi-verse makes no fucking sense in the comics let alone these damn movies.
He should just give Disney the middle finger and work for another independent comic book studio.
GREAT THINKING CRITICAL MARVEL COMICS GOOD WRITER'S.
I KNOW you did NOT just use "Legendary Writer" and Jeph Loeb in the same sentence. He is 🗑
I met Loeb at Wizard World Chicago years ago. Got to talk to him a few times. When I first told him I dug his work, he replied: "I dig that you dig my work!" Around that time he was working on the "Heroes" TV series. His time on Smallville got the show more entrenched in DC mythology going forward. We can't forget Batman: Hush or the Red Hulk saga. Loeb was mentored by Elliott S. Maggin. Dude is solid.
Sorry Wes, I'm going to slightly disagree with you here. I liked some of Loebs work with marvel like the "colors" series of books but his last few years of comic book writing was mostly awful, pretty much after 2005/6. his wolverine book with Simone Bianchi, Ultimates 3, Ultimatum were some of the worst comics I've ever read.
It just occurred to me that, given the current state of Marvel and DC Comics, the stories told now feel more like adaptations themselves since they are respecting the source material (the decades worth of history) less and less.
Ultimatum was a black mark on the comic book industry as a whole.
Nerds make the World go round!😊
Definitely resent us
Because at marvel comics , writing shitty comics is a priority. They also pay Claremont not to write as well I believe.
John Byrne is writing and drawing the X-Men For free ?
He must never publish it
I'm still waiting for Marvel's answer when they ask them why their sales are so low.
Oh wait !! I know !!"not enough woman, not enough diversity,not enough gay agenda ,no enough black lesbians and gay black men of course !!"
People with a clue, start reading books from the iron age, Bande dessinée, manga and normal books.
American comics are dead
Thereby robbing us of a final Loeb/Sale collaborations on Last Halloween.
Well, they had a final collaboration a few years ago which is now going to be the Zero issue to The Last Halloween.
There’s couple things I have to disagree with here.
1. I think Joss Whedon and James Gunn are more ashamed of comics than Zack Snyder. Snyder is one of the only directors to have done 1:1 film adaptations of comics. And has use full lines of dialogue, panels and pages from comics in his other comic movies.
Where Joss Whedon and James Gunn’s movies are just loosely based on the comics.
2. I don’t think doing a 1:1 adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns, The Long Halloween, or The Desth of Superman would had been better for the DCEU because WB tasked Snyder to do it all in 5 movies story arc.
Now if they did, from the beginning, have a Affleck’s Batman trilogy, Henry Cavill’s Superman trilogy and a Justice League trilogy than yes doing those 1:1 adaptations would been better.
Again that wasn’t what WB wanted, Snyder was basically task to built out and end a shared cinematic universe in 5 movies where the MCU did the same with 20 movies.
So I think it was a good idea for Snyder to have multiple storylines to help built the universe out. Thats why his director cuts were so much better because gave the storylines more time to be flesh out.
When was the MSHEU EVER fantastic?😨😴😮😂😒😔
He was ordered not to work on comics because they wanted all of his focus on Marvel TV. This is a non story TBH.
So what it’s FUCKIN DUMB YOU IDIOT!!!!!! Daaaaayyyyyyuuuuummmmm