Battlestar Galactica | Starbuck The Ghost?
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Starbuck has returned to the Galactica but no one believes what they’re seeing.
From Season 4 Episode 1 ‘He That Believeth in Me’, Starbuck's mysterious return, Anders has a surprising standoff with a Cylon Raider.
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I love how Apollo immediately accepts her and is so happy she’s “alive”.
There was a script in the original series that through sacrifice, Starbucks became an angel. I think that was hinted here.
"The Wheel of Fire," meant to be the season finale of Galactica 1980.
Wow, that’s cool. I didn’t know that.
so she did ascend or was she one the whole time?
@@lokivato I believe she ascended: became something more. Which was also hinted at in the original series “as you are now, we once were, as we are now, you may become”
Just found out they were going to hire Dirk Benedict to play the celestrial god-like being. But they did think they could pull it out without it looking hokey.
Dang... looks like I'm gonna have to watch the whole bloody thing again! :)
yuppp.... years ago I watched it whole 4 or 5 times. Feels like I wanna do it again :D
Just when you thought finding out someone was a Cylon was a big surprise!!
The numbers on the viper changed at 00:08.
Yeah, wtf was that?
FRAK! Good attention to detail!
It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key.
Yeah, went from 4267NC to 8757NC. The weird part is that the change wasn't even subtle.
@@Mobius_118 It's in the frakking ship!!! Or in this case it is the frakking ship!!! It's a Cylon!!!
It is really eerie. Also, she finds her body later on if I remember correctly. She is this impossible thing that happens.
I don't remember that much blood on her ship when she arrived. damn...
It was that time of the month
she perioded all over her viper.
Blood from Cylon Raiders, of course...lol
Sky173 great point.... I completely missed that...
But remember later after they interrogate Starbuck, they go back to her viper and it's totally clean? Chief said he's worked on that viper since the attack and this one looked like it justed came off the assembly line.
Can I just say that it's telling that Kara lets Lee hang onto her for a long, long, long while when he first embraces her, but with Sam she's like "I'm okay" and sort of pushes him away fairly quickly. There will always be something between Kara and Lee that nobody can get near, no matter who else they married. I like to think that after the end of the series, when it comes Lee's time, Kara is the one who comes at gets him and takes him to wherever the frak she went.
She is his angel, she saves his life an almost insane number of times. The way she just appears and vanishes on him in various ways makes her feel like that to me. Plus the way that without a word he runs to embrace her means to me that he knows 100%, in his bones, no matter what anyone else thinks or says that it is her.
I’ll always be heartbroken by the way they ended their relationship. So much amazing character work and writing had been leading up to a cathartic resolution of their respective insecurities etc. so that they could be together. They were clearly soulmates in a sense. Such a shame. Still, an archetypal love story, and really well acted.
Think it’s more cuz she was progressively being weirded out homie
@@foojub6907 Eh. It's up for interpretation, I guess. I stick with my theory. I don't think if Sam had hugged her first he would've gotten that same reaction.
They have a long history, I guess.
I love when nuts and bolts shows add an element of the miraculous or paranormal into the narrative, just a little, but coloring all the activity in the show. "Fargo" does this really creatively too!
What a fraken series this was. Best tv series ever. Deep, emotional, insightful, thought provoking and all the while hugely entertaining. A classic.
I wouldnt go that far.
@@purefoldnz3070 This didn't age well as it is considered a timeless classic by consensus.
@@coinopboy2289 its good show but not best series ever, nope, not even close. So it aged perfectly I'm afraid.
@@purefoldnz3070 What is the "best series ever" in your opinion? :)
@@coinopboy2289 the ones that usually top the list are shows like Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, Band of Brothers, The Wire etc
She, along with Caprica 6 that was in Baltar's head, are the alien life forms (angels) that have an interest in humans and cylons getting along.
not the same because everybody can see her and she can interact with objects...
@@MrAlkylation They can choose to be seen and/or interact w/objects.
@@typeviic1 where did you get that?
@MrAlkylation baltar and six sees them same time. Not in heads
There are no aliens in BSG.They are angels.
Angel, ghost, harbinger of doom. This is the part of BSG that confuses just what the frak is Starbuck the show never really explains.
She is an Angel.
Michael Davis Angel
@@stu27777 No, I think she is the goddess Aurora -- the dawn. The same one on the figurehead of Adama's model ship. She disappeared in the last episode, "Daybreak", just as the dawn disappears when the day arrives.
I always went with "prophet" or "herald", sent back by the God/Gods
I think the showrunners themselves weren't sure what to do with her ^^
I really liked this show except for how they handled the kara storyline in the last season
Yeah they did a massive disservice to her character imo and wasted all her previous excellent characterisation. Plus all the excellent build up of her relationship with Lee went out the window. Ah well.
Somewhere Jon Snow is laughing. It's obvious anytime a character dies and comes back they'll get compared to Christ.
...and the christ story was ripped off somewhere else that came before.
Nothing new under the sun...
Well, maybe somewhere else. Here, if you die and come back, you're compared to a fraking cylon. hahaha
*Starbuck in BSG is angel !*
she is the harbinger of doom,
Well HE was in the old show also
No. I think she is supposed to be Aurora, goddess of the dawn. That was the tiny statue she was given on New Caprica, which became the figurehead of Adama's model ship. The dawn disappears at daybreak, and Starbuck disappeared in the episode Daybreak.
What are the chances, BSG channel reposting BSG footage. I just finished rewatching all 4 seasons today, what a coincidence!
and where were ya in 2020 ?
All 4 seasons in a day? Herculean....
Hope you post more season 4 scenes
I'm a little miffed we never got a definitive answer as to what Starbuck actually was. Was there a god in the BSG universe and was she sent to save humanity. It seems like it, but it was never actually answered
Dying leader
Thing is.. sometimes the open-ended bits to movies/shows are what make those movies/shows good.
There are some things with humans that you cannot 'define'.. because defining it will anger some, and make others happy. Leaving it o pen-ended means people can decide for themselves just 'what' it means.
There was no "god", not as we would think of one at least, but rather a more powerful, most likely non corporeal being that was dictating events in our universe. This is at least how I took it...
I don’t need everything answered.
@@steveleeart - That might be you, but a great many do like having questions answered, doesn't make anyone wrong or right to want it one way or the other.
The Resurrection of Kara Thrace
In Battlestar Galactica Season 3 episode "Maelstrom", Kara Thrace vanishes mysteriously along with her Viper within a violent maelstrom around a gas giant planet. In the final scene before Kara disappears into the maelstrom, it's clear that even if she were to somehow survive, her Viper is starting to break up and will not make it back to Galactica intact.
When Kara miraculously returns to Galactica several months later, she is piloting an undamaged Viper and claims she has been to Earth, but has no recollection of the months during which she had been missing. In the cockpit of her Viper a homing beacon flashes, presumably indicating the location of Earth. Galactica tracks the signal to a dead planet that had been nuked 2000 years earlier, where Kara finds a wrecked Viper containing her own corpse.
Galactica subsequently discovers a verdant planet indentified as a prehistoric version of our own Earth, where Kara once again vanishes without a trace. Whether Kara was a human, a Cylon, a ghost, or an angel is one of numerous puzzles left unexplained in the series finale.
Here is a theory that explains Kara Thrace's resurrection without resorting to supernatural intervention. It relies on relativistic time travel via wormhole, a not unreasonable conjecture in a universe where instantaneous Faster Than Light physics are employed for routine space travel.
1. After Kara vanishes into the maelstrom, she encounters a spacetime wormhole and blacks out as it transports her to a decaying orbit around nuked Earth. After recovering conciousness, she visually identifies the planet while her ship records its coordinates, activating its homing beacon. She then flies back through the wormhole, not realizing that months of time have relativistically elapsed during her return flight.
2. Galactica tracks down the nuked planet via the homing beacon, and there Kara discovers a wrecked Viper. In the Viper's cockpit she discovers a corpse and removes a charred copy of her own dogtags from around its neck. This is the corpse of her future self, who is destined to fly once more into the maelstrom. The wormhole will then hurl her back in time to crash on the nuked planet, a few months before it is tracked down by Galactica.
3. Kara gives her corpse's charred dogtags to Baltar on Galactica. Months later, Galactica discovers verdant Earth, and the colonists set about decomissioning their spacecraft. Kara realises that it is time for her to return to the maelstrom in her Viper and fulfill her destiny.
4. Kara uses the wormhole to travel back in time to rendevous with her past self in a decaying orbit around nuked Earth. At that point in time, her past self has blacked out, her Viper has suffered irreparable damage, and it is doomed to eventually crash into the planet. To prevent that fate from happening to past-Kara, future-Kara docks with the disabled Viper, drags unconscious past-Kara out of that ship and exchanges Vipers with her, leaving past-Kara to regain consciousness later in the undamaged Viper and discover nuked Earth. After past-Kara returns to Galactica through the wormhole, future-Kara rides the disabled Viper down to crash into the planet. It is only later that past-Kara will reconstruct what happened and recognize that she is destined to become her own guardian angel.
She didn't vanish her viper exploded...
There is something else very strange, the serial number printed on the tail of her fighter change to another one at the beginning of the video. it could be voluntary when you know that Starbuck fighter was destroyed and for the chief engineer, this fighter seems to be still the same but as if it was new. Did a superior force make sure everyone knew it was Starbuck and not an angel ?
The number change is a gaffe pure and simple. It should have shown 8757 the whole time or been _blank_ at first
Probably the best scifi show that has ever been released.
i noticed this the first time but as the camera moves further back the tail numbers change from 4267 to 8757
It's a gaffe. The tail should have either shown 8757 from the start or been _blank_ before showing 8757.
BG had one flaw. At the very beginning somebody decided to pick a random number for the number of cylone models without giving any real thought who those models would be. And as the story progressed I think the writers realized the "number" reveal at the very beginning put them in an awkward position. They knew the show was starting to wind down and they needed more models to fill. And yeah ... I do think they probably had a pow wow to decide who else on the Galactica could potentially be one until they filled the rest of the quota. Then it was a matter of explaining who they were and why their presence wasn't detected sooner or was known.
What are you babbling about? The one flaw was the cylon numbers? They picked 12 as a number and slowly introduced them throughout the first two seasons. But then when they put Baltar on the base ship in season 3 they needed to explain why he wouldn't see all 12 models. So they created the final five idea. Moore outlines this in some of his commentaries. It wasn't a case of them suddenly realizing the show was winding down and trying to fill a quota. Some of battle stars interesting ideas where ones that they didn't have all planned out. There was no awkward position that they were put in with the cylon numbers. You're just making up stuff to complain about.
@@Jaknize1 Lol stop defending bad writing. I love the show but it's obvious they wrote themselves into a corner many times, the "Kara is an angel" stuff being the absolute worst, followed by the final five stuff.
@@patsk8872 I never defend bad writing. I usually end of becoming one of the most vocal critics when it comes to writing choices of the show communities I hang around
@@Jaknize1 Still, they really did write themselves into corners and put themselves in an awkward position with regards to the Cylon numbers. Ron Moore has actually _said_ as much in podcasts - they lost track of not establishing a Number 7 model in between 6 and 8 until Season 3, and had never got around to establishing 9 through 12 either even in circumstances where we *should* have seen all models of Cylon (both New Caprica as well as the basestar), and - as you yourself said - that forced them to have to come up with some sort of explanation for why five models were absent from the other Cylons.
They also admitted to picking the identities of the Final Five for shock value.
12 wasn't arbitrary - 12 is a recurring, thematic number in the series. But it _did_ put them in an awkward position with regards to filling that many slots, especially with how long it took to get around to showing Cylon POV stuff. They've admitted to writing themselves into corners.
"...??....Uh what's up guys?... oh frack don't tell me I'm a fracking cylon!"
Does anyone else notice her viper number change
mark martin
They accidentally shot the episode with the wrong number. Then digitally corrected it in post, but, bizarrely, did so incompletely.
Not to mention it's brand spanking new. Not a scratch on it...well, except the blood, of course...sorta like being, oh, I dunno, *reborn*?
Its the work of the angels"god" that brought her back in pristine condition
But when the group is giving the viper a once over later in the episode, the 4 didn't get removed
Starbucks t he resurrected, sent back from 21st century Earth by Baltar and Six to aid Galactica’s journey to Earth (this Earth, not the original one).
There was a private resurrection facility in orbit around the nuked planet Kara crashed on. She wasn't dead, just rebooting.
Wrong.
@@usul573 she obviously downloaded from somewhere and picked up a new ship. The upload range was limited, so where was the facility? Or do you believe Giaus Baltar.
Your theory is off. No Resurrection Ship would just happen to have a spare Colonial Viper in its holding bay. While Kara did resurrect, it was not as a result of Cylon tech, but rather God who sent her back as an angel. Head Six and Head Baltar are also angels.
@@danielmclaughlin5546 The religious angle was as usual myth told in leu of scientific fact. Kara was at a loss about what happened to her and the final five had forgotten most of what they once knew. What they recognized as god was simply an A.I.
Laura Roslin said the child was a signal of things to come but I think Kara is the ultimate result. The intermingling of man and machine on quantum levels we can't began to fathom. Resurrection, hallelujah!
I'm in love.
Bah. It's all just wormholes anyway.
Star buck, is from a different time line of events. One very similar to the current one, but slightly different. Once the original Star buck, died, she was able to occupy the space-time- place of the original. The only difference between new Star buck and the original was time, the space and place were the same. Star buck said “ she been to earth and had tapes and she was only gone for 6 hours, yet in the original time-line, Star buck was gone for over 2 months and came back with a new fighter. Infinite possibilities creates infinite time lines.
I believe in sheer fucking will.
lol 2 months go by for them, 6 hours for her, and for a people who have FTL no ones ever heard of relatavistic time dilation?
What the hell does that mean?
@@usul573 if wouldn't be unusual to experience differences in observed time for people who travel at high sublight speeds, i know thats not what happened in the show but it wouldn't be unheard of for a people who travel the stars, so the panic and assumption of her being a cylon are understandable but not the most likely explanation
@@andreww2098 I suppose I get what you mean. Like if she FTL jumped and went a few months in the future or something? Though she didn't FTL jump, her ship blew up. In Stargate sometimes a solar flare or something interferes with the wormhole and one of the characters goes like 40,000 years in the future lol.
the issue with your argument 0is twofold, she disappeared in a Gas Giant (seemingly exploding) and then they find her viper, and charred corpse on Earth.
@@logion567 yeah but at the time they had no way of knowing what happened to her,
and people returning with a different passage of observed time would not be unusual to a people with relativistic/ FTL travel,
you would have to reset your clocks to a set standard everytime you traveled any great distance at high sublight speed
The best part of this is that at least some of the actresses in this scene did NOT get sucked in to an abusive sex cult.
What?
@@ZephyrTM101 I think he means that she might have resurrected, but she's no cylon.
@@ThePathStrider Nope. Half the actresses in that scene ended up joining a weird sex cult in real life.
@@vortex_1336 I know one of them was married to Allison Mack, is it THAT cult we're on about?
Also, who else?
@@ThePathStrider Yeah the Nexium(?) cult. Half the female cast of that show were members.
Kara's _full_ unawareness here, much as it made for good drama, has always bugged me.
Because when she first reappeared at the end of Season 3, she said to Lee "Don't freak out, it really is me." Meaning she *knew* her reappearance would be a shock.
That seems to have slipped the writers' minds between seasons.
Where has all the good science fiction gone...
Really?? Are you fuckin daft? You have all these streaming platforms offering grade A quality shows with good storytelling and we are in what's been said to be the golden age of serialized television with movie like budgets for TV and as well as very good indie projects domestic and foreign and you ask where good sci fi has gone? Do you realize how stupid you sound? Black Mirror? The Expanse? Westworld? Altererd Carbon? Dark? And plenty more.... Idiot. Btw, the writing on BSG in later seasons was shit, especially with "angel" Starbuck and all the religious BS injected in it.
@@flybeep1661 Someone needs a hug.
@flybeep why on earth would someone's opinion bother you to the point of degradation and insult? Personally they have a point, not all subgenres appeal to everyone, and last I looked you are not the arbiter of opinion. I enjoy classics like The Day The Earth Stood Still, and The Time Machine. Let's leave name calling out of mature discourse.
I am really tired of audio balance not being a thing. Either you can't hear what anyone is saying, or some footsteps friggen deafen you while you are trying to make out whispers in a very dialogue driven plot.
Such a pity it was never explained how she came back or what she was.
She knew all along what she really was...an angel
PC Gamer It seems to me, that the realization came to her over time, and when they jumped to Earth, it finally became crystal clear to her. But that’s just me! 🖖😀
@@Pondimus_Maximus Agree. When Kara discovers her corpse in the crashed Viper on first Earth, she freaks out because she has no idea what she is.
Was Starbuck an angel the whole time, or did she ascend?
I view it as she always had a destiny to be their guide, but when her ship exploded with the white light she crossed over and back so she was a messenger/angel/avatar beyond that point.
No one can tell me the show did not jump the damn shark here!
They had it in the 1st BSG though it was more blatant
Well no one can tell me it didn't, so.. see how useless your opinion is?
@@robirvine6970 you liked this BS? Were you high?
@@jacobkleinsasser5658 If you didn't like it, that's fine. It's also fine if others did. You don't have to have everyone agree with you. There is no correct asthetic evaluation.
Do you even know what that terms means? Because it's not applicable here.
& The Angel Of The Higher Power Comes To Lead The RTRF To A Legendary World Known.....As Earth.
so they can all just die...
We all die someday.
@@kcdodger They All Died 150,000 Years Ago,....
At the end of the show Starbuck disappears confusing Lee. That's because she's actually dead. This is a throwback to the original show and notice how white the ship is presented in shots.
You can watch it later. Lol!
After binging the whole series, I am absolutely certain my girlfriend is a Cylon!!
W.T.F. too do?
Wait why is there blood on the front of the viper?
in later scenes, there is none
Cylon Raider's are part organic, they have brains and organs and blood vessels, this was established in season one when Starbuck flew the one she shot down back to the Galactica...
I'm still today going what the he'll happened?
Another great episode.
Can the writers who pulled this off write the JUSTICE LEAGUE movies ... please?
Still would have made more sense of she was half cylon bc of her dad being the only No 7 that survived. Not some random rebirth as a seraph.
Yeah, that part of BSG was when it went downhill, not to mention the less than mediocre "final five" resolution.
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Battlestar Galactica
Queue the Twilight Zone music.
If Starbuck turned into an angel, what is the ship that she returned in?
This entire series of episodes is where bsg jumped the shark. They show was at it's best when it was people running from robots. The show was at it's worst when it got all philosophical. This is where it went full on philosophy.
I think you mean "theological". You can still have weird ass philosophical themes without mysticism, like figuring out why cylons became half-biological or whether a ressurrected cylon is actually the same person or just a copy.
@@dunmermage same thing.
@@jacobkleinsasser5658 nope, philosophy is completely different from theology.
Philosophy is the rational consideration of real world phenomenon and how best to approach them.
Theology is the study of supernatural phenomenon with the concept that these are caused by a god or gods.
The writers were too lazy and dumped every plot hole they couldn't explain or didn't want to explain into the convenient pot of "God's plan." Hence it is more often a theological debate than a philosophical one.
@@zarabada6125 You can hardly call the writers lazy when you consider that the whole concept of the modern series is based on one god or many.
IMO, this is where the show became awesome.
The Cylons were machines that believed in God, the humans were biological, and for the most part were secular. From our understanding of our past, it was our devotion to God or gods that separated us from the other human groups and this belief allowed us to survive the many hardships we faced.
Alright, I'll confess I'm a Social Anthropologist who loves Science Fiction, and having these two elements combined in a network television show with such brilliant writing and acting, I am rather biased.
I unghosted myself
she was made cylon
I thought she was an angel.
Kara "Starbuck" Thrace (Battlestar Galactica): I go on one flight for a few hours, and everyone presumes I'm dead and moves on without me for two months?
Michaela Stone (Manifest): Hold my beer...
This isn't the real starbuck. The real one is dead on earth. This one is from "God" to help lead us to the new earth.
Nope. Theres only one explanation. Shes a Cylon
THe dead one on earth was the second Starbuck, the first one died in the Maelstrom in season three when her viper exploded...
OK - so how is her Viper a bloody mess?
Cylon raiders are biomechanical as we see when Starbuck climbs into one back in 1x05. They bleed. They don't have pilots they fly themselves.
@@usul573 - Gotcha. Just binge-watched all 4 years and saw she joined a battle before landing on Galactica.
I should have put down my first impression, "WTF, did she fly through a slaughterhouse on the way in?" Because basically that's what she did...
you know the highest level of lazyness is? when the whole series is in the reach like 0,5 meter away, and i search for the certain scene on youtube.
She's hot ghost or not
Not.
This was a huge mistake. There was absolutely no need to inject this load of nonsense into the show.