Only 30 minutes in but I'm really enjoying this topic. After 7 years of chasing God and allowing him to mold my wife and I, He has led us to start a ministry in our church, which our pastor is trusting us to run. It's called GSPL Ministries, which stands for God's Soldiers of Peace and Love. Our first study that's been going for 24 weeks now, was focused on 2 peter 1:1-11 and teaching new Christians and some old, how to allow Christ Jesus to change you through the "building blocks" in verses 5-7. I have noticed in our area there is no real discipleship and that is what we are allowing God to teach us to do now. It's a very great honor to be a servant of God, and I think the modern Church is really needing to focus on this part of ministry. We are in a war against evil, and our brothers and sisters need to understand that. Thank you for this, and God Bless!
Viewing this video I made it to the 5:30 point in time and the word "IMPARITIVE" became forefront in my thinking. As for myself and what I see by way of experience around contemporary "Christendom," discipleship of a "Godly" order is a thing of our past. I'm pretty sure it can still be found but presently we live in the age of "new and improved" consensus. Some year's back my wife and I united with a church in our area that had a stellar reputation for year's. After joining this congregation we found it had evolved into something else. There was no leadership development or discipleship offered to the congregants. I approached the leadership with good intentions concerning this but the reply was, " they get enough of that from the pulpit." Apparently the concept of the " five-fold ministry" had been checked at the door through the evolution of said "Church. Thx. so much for your decision to produce this video, it certainly was "IMPARITIVE." Blessings.
Sounds like you had a bad experience with a church, and I'm sorry to hear about that! I wish you could have continued in the video because we talk about how many of the churches sadly are completely ignoring this need to disciple those in their midst. The early church recognized the need for intense years-long discipleship. That is something we need to recognize as well. Sadly, so many of our modern churches really fail at discipleship. But that is the goal of this episode... to try and raise the bar and encourage a deep and lasting view of discipleship.
This was needed. I've tried for years to find someone who will be more intentional with discipleship. Busy-ness is the #1 reason they can't though. I seemingly wasn't inventive enough. Anyway, hoping i can be that person for someone eventually. This video helped to flesh out my thoughts.
So glad the video was helpful! Sad to say you’re not alone in your experience. But I love the attitude that says you will try to provide that for the next generation! May your tribe increase!
@thebiblesojourner what would you say to someone who says the Great Commission was given only to the Apostles? It is maybe more descriptive and not prescriptive for all Christians.
Question for Andy: Was there not a return, in large part, to a more intense discipleship among the Puritans? And then, we have lost it again, but maybe the time of the Puritans is not so ancient that we can't draw from their example?
Thanks for the question-it was a 2009 ESV. No study Bible or notes. I’ve looked for it again because I’ve liked it but can’t find that one anymore (out of print). I’ll probably have to switch to my LSB sometime 😀
Good morning Peter Thank you for this. I think I was th words on you mentioned who’s in the uk and not in the healthiest church… Ironically before I heard you say that I messaged a young guy who I am close to in the church and asked him for he would like me to mentor him. I want to try and build up something that’s needed and try to be a solution. My only question about the structure of the early church and how they left baptism to after years of training is…is that what we see in scripture? The call for baptism was immediate to confession. Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch. The philipian jailer, the 3000 converted in Acts
Good for you, my friend! That’s really exciting to hear! Your question is excellent, and it came up on a few other social media platforms. One thing to recognize about the early church, is that it was primarily Jewish. You had a lot of people who were very inundated with scripture and knew a lot of things that we take for granted. The 3000 that were baptized right away, for example, had a full understanding of the Messiah and what that meant for salvation and for the Jewish nation. Later on the shift to gentle Christians apparently motivated the early church to teach the believers, what it is, they were doing in baptism. so the delay probably has to do with the change from Jews, who were already somewhat instructed in the things of scripture, to gentiles who had no background and needed the basics. I personally don’t think it’s necessary to wait to baptize somebody in many instances. But I also think that the church often struggles by baptizing somebody too soon without them really knowing what it is they’re doing. So perhaps not two or three years, but there should be teaching that takes place prior to.
I do not understand how the term "morphed" into something else when where it appears actually was written later chronologically. Much of your discussion is not time sensitive.
Only 30 minutes in but I'm really enjoying this topic.
After 7 years of chasing God and allowing him to mold my wife and I, He has led us to start a ministry in our church, which our pastor is trusting us to run. It's called GSPL Ministries, which stands for God's Soldiers of Peace and Love. Our first study that's been going for 24 weeks now, was focused on 2 peter 1:1-11 and teaching new Christians and some old, how to allow Christ Jesus to change you through the "building blocks" in verses 5-7.
I have noticed in our area there is no real discipleship and that is what we are allowing God to teach us to do now. It's a very great honor to be a servant of God, and I think the modern Church is really needing to focus on this part of ministry. We are in a war against evil, and our brothers and sisters need to understand that.
Thank you for this, and God Bless!
Praise the Lord! So glad to hear you have been burdened to be involved in this neglected part of ministry. So glad you found this helpful!
Viewing this video I made it to the 5:30 point in time and the word "IMPARITIVE" became forefront in my thinking. As for myself and what I see by way of experience around contemporary "Christendom," discipleship of a "Godly" order is a thing of our past. I'm pretty sure it can still be found but presently we live in the age of "new and improved" consensus. Some year's back my wife and I united with a church in our area that had a stellar reputation for year's. After joining this congregation we found it had evolved into something else. There was no leadership development or discipleship offered to the congregants. I approached the leadership with good intentions concerning this but the reply was, " they get enough of that from the pulpit." Apparently the concept of the " five-fold ministry" had been checked at the door through the evolution of said "Church. Thx. so much for your decision to produce this video, it certainly was "IMPARITIVE." Blessings.
Sounds like you had a bad experience with a church, and I'm sorry to hear about that! I wish you could have continued in the video because we talk about how many of the churches sadly are completely ignoring this need to disciple those in their midst. The early church recognized the need for intense years-long discipleship. That is something we need to recognize as well. Sadly, so many of our modern churches really fail at discipleship. But that is the goal of this episode... to try and raise the bar and encourage a deep and lasting view of discipleship.
@@thebiblesojourner Thx. For sure will be finishing the presentation.
thanks for your hard work in putting together the podcast Peter!
It is a privilege to serve brother. Thank you for the encouragement!
This was needed. I've tried for years to find someone who will be more intentional with discipleship. Busy-ness is the #1 reason they can't though. I seemingly wasn't inventive enough. Anyway, hoping i can be that person for someone eventually. This video helped to flesh out my thoughts.
So glad the video was helpful! Sad to say you’re not alone in your experience. But I love the attitude that says you will try to provide that for the next generation! May your tribe increase!
@thebiblesojourner what would you say to someone who says the Great Commission was given only to the Apostles? It is maybe more descriptive and not prescriptive for all Christians.
Question for Andy: Was there not a return, in large part, to a more intense discipleship among the Puritans? And then, we have lost it again, but maybe the time of the Puritans is not so ancient that we can't draw from their example?
Very good video on discipleship, thanks for this both of you!
Appreciate the encouragement, Sean. So glad the Lord can use it!
Excellent discussion! Discipleship is people, not program.
Well said, sir.
Hi brother Peter, which Bible were you holding when you read the Phil 4 passage? I notice that it has Bible introduction? Is it a study Bible?
Thanks for the question-it was a 2009 ESV. No study Bible or notes. I’ve looked for it again because I’ve liked it but can’t find that one anymore (out of print). I’ll probably have to switch to my LSB sometime 😀
Good morning Peter
Thank you for this. I think I was th words on you mentioned who’s in the uk and not in the healthiest church…
Ironically before I heard you say that I messaged a young guy who I am close to in the church and asked him for he would like me to mentor him.
I want to try and build up something that’s needed and try to be a solution.
My only question about the structure of the early church and how they left baptism to after years of training is…is that what we see in scripture?
The call for baptism was immediate to confession.
Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch.
The philipian jailer, the 3000 converted in Acts
Good for you, my friend! That’s really exciting to hear!
Your question is excellent, and it came up on a few other social media platforms. One thing to recognize about the early church, is that it was primarily Jewish. You had a lot of people who were very inundated with scripture and knew a lot of things that we take for granted. The 3000 that were baptized right away, for example, had a full understanding of the Messiah and what that meant for salvation and for the Jewish nation. Later on the shift to gentle Christians apparently motivated the early church to teach the believers, what it is, they were doing in baptism. so the delay probably has to do with the change from Jews, who were already somewhat instructed in the things of scripture, to gentiles who had no background and needed the basics.
I personally don’t think it’s necessary to wait to baptize somebody in many instances. But I also think that the church often struggles by baptizing somebody too soon without them really knowing what it is they’re doing. So perhaps not two or three years, but there should be teaching that takes place prior to.
@@thebiblesojourner thanks for that Peter, that makes sense.
I’m wrestling over when I would have my children baptised.
Mr Andy, please get one of those mic screens that dampens "s" and "t" sounds?
Yes, a pop filter, but he also could have just moved back 2 inches from the mic and that would have helped.
A deesser will do that as well. Pop filters are more for the plosives (the "P" sounds)
@@Rawkabilly57 yeah, I didn't hear any problem with sibilance, only plosives; hence, the pop filter.
Good ! ❤
Appreciate it brother!
I do not understand how the term "morphed" into something else when where it appears actually was written later chronologically. Much of your discussion is not time sensitive.
True. Perhaps morphed is not the best word.
Discussing fairytales is such a waste of time
Agreed! Good thing we were talking about some very important things! What was your favorite part of the video?
@@thebiblesojourner ..the end
Commenting on videos you didn’t want to watch is a waste of time