I was gonna release all the Grinch characters, but since the Ken leak came out, I scrapped all those characters out and put in a Piranha Plant instead...
Whatever... I have a few words to say to your interior designer! I was really hoping for Skull Kid, man! Couch and chairs... More like smoke and mirrors, uh?
Just because the Grinch leak was incorrect...I'm still extremely interested in who the leaker is and the process that person went through to do this. I'm still very genuinely intrigued by Grinch leak and would very much like to get to the bottom of how it all happened! I hope the leaker comes forward! I really had a lot of fun speculating and guessing and sleuthing with you, PapaGeno - don't be too disappointed, because you gave us all things to think about and discuss on the road to the final direct - and that's valuable to all of us!
One thing worth mentioning is that the Ken pose wasn't actually identical, as his gi's collar falls a different way. Still insane that they guessed the general pose, though, absolutely in shock at all of this still.
@@PapaGenos I mean, as an avid street fighter player and fan, Ken is renowned for his flaming shoryuken. I'm not sure what you typed into google, but literally anything like "ken street fighter" or "ken masters" has one of the first row of photos include an uppercut :/ The only search that didn't turn up with an uppercut photo is "Ken," since it brings up all kinds of ken and not just SF Ken. Ken is really known for his uppercut, his kick, or his "Bring it on" pose (third strike portrait). So I would argue that it is fairly easy to make a good educated guess regarded Ken. I understand that the same general message is the same, and yes, there are a lot of other claims to give to the skill and credibility of the grinch leak, but I don't think it deserves the exagerrated credit for how similar it guessed 1 of 3 of Ken's poses :/
it is a common pose for him but I guess what I meant is there are a good 4-5 other poses that are pretty well known as well and they still guessed it right on top of EVERYTHING else they had going for them. its a bit insane.
@@PapaGenos I am pretty sure it's the pose for Ken from Namco X Capcom btw. I suspected this all along, just wanted to be sure. www.game-art-hq.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Namco-x-Capcom-Game-Character-Official-Artwork-Ken-Masters.jpg
I think the guy saw the chad ganondorf leak and made the grinch leak off of that. I’ve also seen theories that said the chad ganondorf and the guy who made the grinch leak are the same person. What do you think?
A 4chan post apparently said that the grinch leak was just a joke, posted to a discord server. Then yotuber mariotehplumber took that screenshot, made the chad ganon leak, and essentially tried to hold it hostage for views on his youtube channel.
Im guessing acp plv IS working on it and had assets for the banner and someone made their own art specifically for a fake leak. That would explain how they got covered pieces of characters and the backdrop
Gotta say I've been watching your channel since the beginning and I honestly want to say your my go to smashtuber for smash speculation. And I feel like Geno will be DLC so don't loose hope Papa.
Hey papa. Sorry things turned out the way they did. I hope people don’t put all their hate towards you. Many of us were fooled by the grinch leak. I’m bummed there’s no Geno, issac, or banjo in the base game. Keep your head up. At least we can predict and analyze DLC Characters
I feel like maybe it was a prototype before the DLC and stuff... whatever happened to sakurai’s gun robo model? None of the current characters seem to have any similarities to that.
You've probably gotten another comment like this already, but Spirits do not deconfirm characters. Characters like Daisy, K. Rool, and Snake are also Spirits. It's similar to how we had trophies of Lucas and Mewtwo in Smash 4 before they were added as DLC. Also, on a more minor note, if you google "Ken Masters," the fourth result is a render of him in that Shoryuken pose. This was probably the inspiration for his pose in both the Grinch leak and the official banner.
YES. More people need to take notice of this. There wasn't any indication that Spirits deconfirmed characters to begin with. I hope more people become aware of this fact.
I have found undeniable proof that fighters have spirits sticker of them, meaning that spirits can be fighters as dlc. Thanks to a friend on tittwer who got this amazing screenshot. twitter.com/Mordexai0/status/1058914050002821120
Are those “real spirits” (I.e. ones that provide stat boosts) or just like an image you get for beating classic? Because I believe those were classified as Fighter spirits, not Primary or Support, so they may just be collectibles. Not that it means “real spirits” definitely wont be dlc of course, I’m just saying it’s still up in the air.
Truth is Sakurai is too unpredictable... I think he wanted to make a statement, he gave the fans a lot of what they wanted, but in the end it's HIS game, and he doesn't want us to forget that. Anyway, thanks papa, this smash leak season has been a wild ride and it's not even over yet. I'm just glad you were there to help us navigate the deep sea of rumors and theories!
Hey Geno, just wanted to chim in and say that I really appreciate your content. I'm not gonna hate you or unfollow for the leak being fake, in fact, I'm eager to see what you come up with next on your channel. You seem like one of the few genuine and likeable people on this god forsaken website, and I really appreciate your honesty and humbleness in this situation. You rock, keep rocking.
Us Shadow fans got played dirty, but I refuse to drop my support for him. I don’t feel bad for believing the leak, and I don’t blame you for anything either Papa. It was a fun ride and we still have DLC ahead of us.
The true Smash fans knew he wasn't going to get in. He is to unique to be a lousy echo fighter and the true Shadow fans would want Shadow to be unique not just a clone of someone else and be overshadowed (pun intended) by not their own uniqueness.
I never thought for a second that Grinch leak was real. Good rule of thumb is that any leak that appeals to fans (especially on the level of pandering of the Grinch leak) is fake
@@Magneto411 Well... you're not wrong but Mach Rider is pretty much the "character I didn't know I want". After hearing about the fake leak, I really want Mach Rider in Smash. LOL
Mii's can be customized, if you go back and look at the screen you can see that they have different specials as they scroll through the skins. This really excites me because I use Mii gunner.
Solarcry Didn't they mention how Miis are handled in the E3 presentation? I could have sworn that Sakurai stated that there'd be 3 "presets" (basically a set of specific specials) for each of the 3 Mii fighter types that you can choose from. So still customizable, just not to the level that you could do it in Smash 4.
There are 2 lessons the community needs to take from this #1. *ANYONE* can fake a leak(even someone working on marketing for the Grinch) #2. Popularity will NOT get a character in to Smash if they don't mean anything more, all it does is bring them to Sakurai's attention
Unless a reboot is in the works with one of the other characters I’m about to go all conspiracy theory but what if the reason that the trademark was renewed is because Nintendo is planning a new golden sun game and the new golden sun character in this hypothetical fake game will be smash bros dlc to hype this new game
no named human is it an alt like her in a tennis outfit or is it just regular daisy with the dress? Because if it's the same daisy as the fighter, then that means that spirits doesn't disconfirm. Because there's a captain K.Rool but not regular K.Rool as far as we know.
DLC: 1. Bandana Dee 2. Banjo & Kazooie 3. Minecraft Steve 4. Ray man 5. Geno I believe after 2020 there’s Echo Dlc: 1. Dixie Kong (Diddy) 2. Mrs Pac-Man (Pac-Man) 3. Birdo (Yoshi) 4. Sora (Cloud) 5. Paper Mario (Mario)
I was certain it was fake because Sakurai said they were slowing down the reveals of charaters. So having 2 echoes and 5 newcomers seemed really really unlikely though I'm mad at them for waiting this long to show shadow as an assist trophy. They made everyone get their hype up for shadow only to kick them in the crotch a little over a month before the game comes out.
sakurai saying that was legit the best thing going against it but he also likes to trick us so... it just had so much evidence it was impossible to dismiss outright because of that
I saw a leak like this happening. Granted it was pretty realistic but 2 things: 1- People wanted those characters so much that they shut down the possibility of the leak being fake. They looked at certain unnecessary details sometimes. 2- Plenty of fake leaks had released. People should learn to take these things with a grain of salt to avoid disappointment.
The lesson to take away from this is: don't have hope, make a list of characters you're hopeful for and write "assist/spirit" above them, and then flip a coin to see which of the next pokemon generation's starters gets in.
I just hate the fact that he wasn’t even in the direct, they just silently put him on the site, like an afterthought... My OCD also kicked in when I realized that this ruins the good balance of one assist trophy per zelda game.
Hey, am I the only one who thinks PapaGenos sounds like a pizza restaurant? Also, characters that are already playable being seen in Spirits Mode makes me believe that characters like Geno who have been spotted in Spirits Mode aren't exactly deconfirmed as possibly being dlc fighters. So do you still believe Geno can be a dlc fighter? I do. I have a few ideas for dlc fighters and Vergeben leaked some of who he believes will be dlc fighters and seeing as he got everything correct he has ever said about Smash other than us getting a Square Enix rep, it leads me to believe we are getting a Square Enix rep as a dlc fighter, because he never specified on whether or not the Square Enix rep would be a base roster fighter or dlc or even who it is. But what are your thoughts on that?
@@PapaGenos There's a Gino's by me actually. It's been there for 35 years, dude. And yeah great pizza. But it isn't PapaGenos so doesn't count lol. I think it would be just PapaGino's though seeing as Idk how many people with that name spell it as Geno aside from our beloved badass puppet. Btw I am holding out hope for him still as a dlc fighter.
The Direct was a lot about Spirits, options, and a little online, but there was barely anything touched upon, possibly nothing touched upon about the Games and More option, which is where you find stuff like break the targets, home run contest, the character customization, and stuff like that. There must something in there that Sakurai doesn't want anyone to know about until the game is released. I don't know why, but it's weird that he didn't talk about any of that in any of the Directs.
I used to work for Universal Studios Hollywood. You do know that there is a collaboration between Nintendo and Universal, right? Nintendoland is coming to Universal Studios parks, so the fact that there is development for both companies promo material shouldn't be a total shock. I do have my doubts for what happened with the Grinch but I feel like this leak may not be done yet. I've noticed that assist trophies in General typically only have 2 moves max for their respective character....now with Isaac's assist he has Carry, Pound and Move abilities. That growth psynergy may not be fake, which would make an even stronger case. I do believe that Isaac might be a troll. He may still be a character. Or not, but still, it's good to know about the universal/nintendo partnership.
I wondered whether it was possible that Shadow and Isaac might end up being playable characters anyway. Maybe this is what Nintendo changed in response to the leak. For now I feel this was a troll move of the leak.
Holding out hope for Banjo-Kazooie, as they're my most wanted newcomer! Really hoping that if they did go to Microsoft for Steve that they asked for Banjo as well...
Plot twist, the leak had so much going for it because Sakurai actually made the leak to throw everyone off. And the grinch leak being disproven along with the assist trophies for Shadow and Isaac held until this last direct was so that no one would expect characters from the banner leak coming later. Hell, we always think that assist trophy means deconfirmation but there aren't any rules like that for sakurai, if he wanted then he could make Isaac a fighter as well as an assist trophy and just have it so that isaac assist trophy doesnt appear while isaac fighter is in a match. There are 5 fighters confirmed for the future, and Sakurai said echo fighters wouldn't be apart of that. 5 fighters would leave room for Geno, Banjo, Mach Rider, Chorus Kids, and Isaac. Sakurai never said he would stop making echos either and they could be included on the side as a lower price or free in the case for Shadow. But who knows for sure
I'm really grateful that you actually took some time to reflect on the grinch leak. I get the feeling everyone's so shocked with being duped by it that they aren't taking the time to both appreciate and speculate how such an unfakeable leak got faked. I'm just reeling from it. I certainly hope we get some answers about it in the future becausewhile disproven, it is not irrelevant in the slightest. Your break down of sources was extremely thorough and I can really see the trust you have so I'm willing to support your decisions by extension. I hope to see you check back with this mystery even while dlc is the speculation season.
What about Medusa from Kid Icarus? She hasn't appeared as an Assist Trophy, or shown as a Spirit (despite having many KIU spirits). And there was a thing on Twitter with her voice actress when she was asked if she did something for Smash Bros Ultimate. Maybe she'll be a World of Light boss or something.
Its not your fault we all got hyped up for things we wanted looking real. Hype is a crazy thing and its easy to get sucked in. The worst part is how terrible vergeben is making the DLC sound, granted with everything thats happened, I'm not going to trust anything until we see it FROM nintendo, I'll keep holding hope for Geno and Banjo, even if we lost Issac Skullkid and Shadow to the void of AT's.
- June 2012, Tales of Symphonia director Yoshito Higuchi is announced as a team leader for one of Smash 4's development teams. - August 2012, Tales series producer Makoto Yoshizumi says in an interview that he'd love to see Tales characters appear in the upcoming Smash Bros game. He's certain that Higuchi would agree. - April 2015, The Smash Ballot launches - July 2015, Lloyd is announced as a Mii fighter costume alongside Chrom and K. Rool, among others. The announcement trailer includes a musical track from Tales of Symphonia. It's the only track in the trailer that isn't included in Smash 4. - February 2016, in an interview translated by Source Gaming, when asked about the Lloyd mii costume, Sakurai said he believes Lloyd is the only appropriate choice to represent the Tales series. When asked if perhaps the series' first protagonist, Cress, had been considered, Sakurai said, "I really think it has to be Lloyd here." He specifically mentioned it can be difficult to incorporate characters without the help of the original editorial supervision. - June 2018, it is announced that Bandai Namco is co-developing Smash Ultimate.
I just want banjo, is it too much to ask? 😂💔 if he's not a DLC....then i will let him rest in peace BTW i love all your videos and i will support you from now
I will say what I am frustrated about is regarding your source with Banjo. I honestly believed that Banjo was in thanks to your source, I guess it still could be possible with him as DLC.
It’s possible that Banjo is the Microsoft DLC character, along with a Banjo stage and music, but in addition to that a Minecraft assist trophy and music is added to the game at the same time. It would also bring the assist trophy number to an even 60.
For reference, there was a post on the Smash subreddit of someone claiming to have played the Smash demo and saw a Spirit of Daisy. Not Mario Strikers Daisy, not any other form of Daisy, but just Daisy.
twitter.com/Mordexai0/status/1058914050002821120 HERE YOU GO!!! With this screenshot we have undeniable proof that fighters have spirit stickers MEANING spirits can be possible fighters in dlc
I appreciate your positive attitude and your honesty! I do feel that the Marketing team for Smash Bros failed a bit because the hype for a game is suppose to increase or be maintained, not die down when nearing launch. Some fans are legitimately upset that Piranha Plant was confirmed as a playable character ahead of other characters with a true identity. On a positive note though, Piranha Plant helps Bandana Dee and Skull Kid because those two are regular characters who grew into an important role in their series! Bandana Dee being the Waddle Dee sidekick that helps Kirby on his quests and Skull Kid being a skull kid who was possessed by the Majora's Mask. To add to the speculation side of Smash DLC, Cygames and Nintendo did just recently come out with Dragalia Lost and it is becoming the most popular Nintendo mobile game, behind Fire Emblem Heroes. Katalina may be a suggested for DLC but a character from Dragalia Lost might take her spot considering the popularity of that game despite how new it is! Sakurai has said that only new/unique fighters would become part of the Fighters Pass, but what about Echo Fighters? He did brand that term and I can't imagine there not being anymore. This is me just being TOO optimistic though. But if that is the case and there's more to see aside from the 5 DLC planned characters then . . . My picks for DLC would be in order of release: 1. Erdrick (February 2019) 2. Rayman (April 2019) 3. Banjo & Kazooie (June 2019) 4. Heihachi or Jin Kazama (September 2019) 5. Geno (December 2019) Along with a reasoning for each: 1. Considering how his design was created by Akira Toriyama who also designed DB characters, Dragon Quest XI could be a candidate at the game awards, is a popular series in Japan with big ties to Nintendo, and is a character referenced to in the early games, also has a neat figure coming out soon (store.crunchyroll.com/collections/figures/products/dragon-quest-iii-hero-bring-arts-figure ) and we know how much Sakurai loves his figure representation! 2. Close ties to UbiSoft leads everybody to believe that aside from the Rabbids and Starlink crossover, there will definitely be a Smash Bros crossover. Perhaps the reason all of the already released crossovers happened was because UbiSoft sat down with Sakurai and his team to bring Rayman into SSBU in the first place and UbiSoft's developers wanted to continue that partnership. 3. Banjo & Kazooie need no explaining, they are part of the Nintendo family despite not belonging exclusively to Nintendo anymore. E3 would be a big reveal for Banjo & Kazooie to be in Smash Bros and it would be great for Nintendo to also hint at a future Banjo & Kazooie remake for the Switch, but the latter is me being hopeful. 4. Tekken is a huge series within the fighting game genre and seeing that Bandai Namco has yet to represent it is a bit odd. Jin is Heihachi's grandson and becoming the face of Tekken more than his evil grandfather, I could see him taking Heihachi's place but either choice would be good for the Tekken fan. Plus, Pokken happened and so did Street Fighter x Tekken years ago, so seeing Ryu vs Jin would make sense. I could see an EVO trailer this time for Smash Bros. 5. Thanks to Smash Bros speculation since the pre-Brawl era, Geno is a fan-favorite and seemingly Sakurai's as well, or at least it seemed like it for SSB WiiU/3DS. To celebrate the 1st anniversary of SSBU, it would be nice to have Geno finally come back to Nintendo and join the Smash Bros roster. This last pick is me letting emotions, nostalgia and logic crossover lol!
I'm still Upset about Shadow and Isaac! Revealing them this Late was a Dirty Move and Bad Move! They should revealed them earlier so they wouldn't get people's hopes and dreams up. It would be awesome if a AT somehow became DLC!
Let the DLC speculation begin now! From what we know so far, a Square Enix character should be announced at the Video Game Awards on December 6. Most likely a Dragon Quest character.
new to ur channel man, but love ur content.. it's nice to see someone being genuine and admitting to being wrong/tricked/etc. good work man looking forward to more content :)
The thing I said when this leak was first brought to light, “I don’t believe it, it’s too blurry”, and I feel this is what actually caused it to be believable. If you make an image blurry, it can be very hard to identify the art style of an image, if I took a Smashify image or drawing of character, and put it on the banner and took a blurry photo of it, it would look very believable. This is why I don’t think anyone is stupid for believing this, it was very convincing, but as someone who uses a photo-editor and photoshop-esk programs quite often, I could concur why it was blurry. I don’t think of you any less for falling for it, in fact you earn even more of my respect for admitting that you fell for it. Keep up the good content, can’t wait see you play Ultimate!
*Why Geno will happen!* - One of the most anticipated characters for Smash Bros in the last decade. - He's one of the "Impossible Characters" with the order Ridley, King K. Rool and Geno. Both Ridley and King K. Rool have happened, even then Sakurai said that Ridley "is too big". - Geno is the last one in the order and would be the final one to be revealed. - Geno isn't relevant anymore, and so is King K. Rool and Isaac. - Sakurai is a Geno fan and have wanted to put him in both Brawl and Smash 4, but couldn't because of Squared owning the rights to him. - There's a unreleased "Beware the Forest Maze" remix in Brawl, so it seems like a lot of work went into making Geno. - Geno was revealed as a Mii Costume after Cloud was revealed, which teases that Sakurai wants to put him in as a second Squate Enix rep. - Also, the Mii Costume was the only one to get a full "Character Reveal Trailer" and even was released as a standalone DLC. This makes him more important than the other Mii Costumes, and makes his chances for begin in Ultimate even higher. - Many of the Mii Costumes are now a fighter (Inkling, Chrom, King K. Rool, Isabelle...) - Geno could be a rep for a possible "Super Mario RPG"-series, which would be mix of Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario and the Mario & Luigi series. - Sakurai wanted Geno in both Brawl and Smash 4, but couldn't because of the rights to him. Now he have the rights to him, so why would he not make a fighter now when he can? - Vergeben is saying that a Square Enix Rep is coming as DLC, and there could even be two. - The DLC is: a fighter (Geno), a stage (Forest Maze) and some music. - Because of the DLC already being planned, it could mean that these 5 characters was hold back because of Third-Party rights. Yes, these DLC is probably Third-Party characters. - The Piranha Plant could be a possible hint for Geno, but that's just a _possibility_ - Geno would have a unique moveset and has enough attacks to make a moveset. - Geno isn't a assist trophy. He should at least be a Assist Trophy if he isn't a playable character. *Why he won't make it in* - It could cause a lot of hate because of how irrelevant Geno is. But if a Piranha Plant can be a fighter, anything can be a fighter. - He has been in two games: Super Mario RPG and Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. In Super Mario RPG, he was a playable SIDE-character, not the MAIN character. - In Superstar Saga, he had a very small cameo, and that cameo was cut in the remake. Nintendo doesn't want us to remember him at all. - What is the fucking point of him being in Smash? He can't really create a sequel to Super Mario RPG, and do we even need one? That team doesn't exist anymore and most of the developers are making Mario & Luigi games now! If you want a sequel, it's the Mario & Luigi series you're looking for. - Why would Square Enix allow Geno to be in Smash before a character like Sora that could help sell the Kingdom Hearts series?
I think Resident Evil DLC is more likely than people might believe. It's Capcom's biggest franchise behind Street Fighter and it's popular in both Japan and the West. It also has a lot of recognisability, and it's coming back in major ways with the success of RE7 with fans and critics, and the RE2 remake getting a lot of excitement. When this game was first teased one of my hopes was a Resident Evil character, so if it happens I'd be stoked.
Marvel Vs Capcom is still a huge crossover fighting franchise that uses Resident Evil characters, which is why it's highly unlikely they would join another crossover fighting franchise.
@@hentaifreak25 Last one had Ryu and Smash also has him. Also, Infinite flopped massively and only has two RE characters. Jill or Leon could be included in Ultimate and it wouldn't be stepping of MvC's toes. But I think it's was a fair point to bring up, that could always be a detractor but I don't think it kills it.
This is the second reaction video I've watched where they said "Yeah, no one actually liked the platforming sections of Subspace anyway, good thing they seem to be gone". And... I mean... I've never heard that before. Like, people complained about the Great Maze specifically because it was long and just a retread of the normal levels, and people complained about the fact that it was all generic landscapes and enemies rather than Nintendo franchises. But I've never seen people say that the entire concept of platforming sections was bad. Heck, Melee's adventure mode was lauded as a fantastic addition largely *because* of the platforming sections. And I certainly don't have that opinion personally that I didn't like the platforming, I absolutely loved the platforming in SSE. I'd buy a whole Smash game with nothing but a big long platforming adventure. I do share those same complaints that most people do about the Great Maze and the genericness of it all, but give me a platforming game with all the worlds of Smash and enemies and such and I will love it.
Keep up the speculation and take the grinch leak as a lesson to learn from. We all got fooled by it. You good man. Seriously though, you should poll the fans and drop a video of who the fans think the dlc fighters will be.
I wasn't fooled. I learned my lesson after ArtsiOmni *ANYONE* can fake a leak Hopefully the Smash community can *FINALLY* take that to heart, to NEVER trust a leak until it has ACTUALLY gotten something right
Now that all 59 assist are revealed it means Saki's assist has been completely removed from the game after being an assist in both brawl and 4. He's a possibility now. I'm hoping. Any other Sin and Punishment fans out there?
@@PapaGenos wow. that's a lot of work for 1 game. I simply went on my wii's virtual console after I saw the character for the first time in brawl. I was so hyped a year later when they announced the S&P 2 for the wii. I remember during smash 4's development I speculated that there'd be either Saki or Isa for 4 since they resurrected the series right after brawl but unfortunately that never happened.
Something is bothering me : I would buy the Fighters Pass because I'd like more characters and it's cheaper than purchasing them one by one. However, after Sakurai showed the world that he is insane (aka piranha plant), I worry that he might make bad choices from now on. Minecraft, Granblue, these I never believed but now I have tiny doubt in my mind. On another note, maybe Banjo isn't the Microsoft/Rare character and it's Rash from Battletoads. I don't want that but this would make sense.
Man, 46 minutes, nice. Love you covering these leaks and general information plus speculation. Definitely my favorite smash bros channel for this stuff. Keep it up!
after the direct, I bust out into tears. Seeing Isaac return as an assist trophy, just... Broke me. I don't blame you, or anyone for this, don't get me wrong. All you guys did was bring up the leak, and state your opinions. It's all on me that I bought into it. You're a good dude, PapaGenos. I still believe in your credibility. But Nintendo, guys. You guys just broke my heart.
I love your dedication. Making this video even after you (and I, as well as many others) were fooled is something very interesting to watch and also pretty courageous after so many people are saying that we shouldn't have trusted this leak even though most of those people believed it 😂
You know...I was pretty down after the direct, but thinking about Piranha Plant and World of Light more, along with watching this video, has brought back my excitement a fair amount. Once you get over the loss of what you didn't get, you really start to appreciate what you did. It also helps to watch you get so excited, Papa G--Thanks for keeping up the enthusiasm!
Eric Tennison I swear to god if sora gets in I will dedicate the rest of my life beating the shit out of top gsp players with sora so he gets nerfed and all the sora mains can go fucking cry
NeonBlkRager I wouldn’t really say Geno deserves it more since the only thing he got going for him is that smash fan think he would be cool while Sora is kinda a icon to gaming in same level as Snake or Cloud.
I’m still in disbelief of the grinch leak lmao 😭😭 I’m expecting sakurai to tweet out “emergency broadcast”! And revealing everything on the banner but it’s whatever lmao
There is something that has come out on GameFAQs that people seem to be 50/50 on. I can't confirm or deny it considering I don't know Japanese for the life of me. Some people claim that the Japanese Nintendo direct claims that the 5 DLC fighters were meant to be added at first, but due to time constraints get to be DLC instead. Like I said earlier. I have no idea if it's real or not. But I do think it could line up with why Piranha Plant of all people is the first DLC and he is a free limited time offer together with Sakurai's "we got to trigger happy". Maybe they thought earlier that they were going to have a direct for each month which is why they show their load to early? Then again, It's just me spitballing.
I really want Banjo, but with Vergeben talking about Minecraft, its gotten me worried about Banjo's fate. I'm not so sure it would make sense to have 2 Microsoft characters as DLC. Hopefully it's Banjo as a character and Minecraft as a stage!
I think that Piranha Plant is super cool and original. Obviously, I would have prefer 5 more characters. But the move set that she got seems way more interesting that what they could have done with those other character (exept chorus kids, they would be cool too). Plus, it was at least one surprice. They should have save a better surprice for the end tho. Maybe that King K Rool Trailer
The top 5 dlc I think would be Geno, Banjo, Rayman, Sora, and Steve. I don't see us getting that though. Especially having two square reps (sora is really Disney though I guess) and two Microsoft reps.
I had a theory that the characters were being revealed based on the date of their first appearance and I'm thinking that's why they got revealed the way they did. Some people didn't like it because Inklings didn't fit, but they were used to announce the game so they were an exception (and the only exception). I'm wondering now though if they'll continue that with the DLC. Piranha Plant's first appearance was in Super Mario Bros. (1985) so maybe the next DLC character could be one of the following: Dragon Quest character - 1986 - 1995 (DQ - DQ VI) Geno - 1996 Then maybe followed by something like this: Rayman - 1995 (If a DQ character is the next DLC. If Geno gets in too, he would come next.) Bandana Waddle Dee - 1996 Banjo & Kazooie - 1997 (Diddy Kong Racing) / 1998
I think you're cool, and definitely don't blame you for people's disappointment. I appreciate your passion most of all. My only problem with all this is that the "leaks" gave people impossible expectations and caused them to get upset at the direct and even at Nintendo, which is just insane to me. Sure, it wasn't as hype as the previous Smash direct, but it was not a bad direct by any means. The speculation and logical analysis was fun, I think from here on I'll do my best to ignore leaks/roster predictions in general and just enjoy the reveals as Nintendo plans them to be revealed. I trust Sakurai and the Smash team, and have no desire to be artificially disappointed by fake leaks. Peace out, and I hope you do end up getting Banjo and/or Geno, I'd love to see them as well! Edit: Just wanted to say as well, I do agree that the order of the reveals ended up leaving the end a bit underwhelming. They came out swinging really strong, and ended on a relatively low note.
Yeah, very interesting design choices by the Grinch leaker especially regarding Isaac and the Chorus Kids. Nobody had ever thought of including the conductor, and especially not giving Isaac some vegetation to stand on! For Ken, that might've been guessable as, while Ryu appears to be using Tatsumaki, that would allow Ken to use the signature Shoryuken pose. Yeah, it does feel like it had to be done by a real graphic designer. And can you believe the dates of the Smash Directs, 8.8 and 11.1, seemed to imply 81 characters, which perfectly coincided with the Grinch leak... Oh, and the Mii Fighters STILL aren't grouped together in the real banner! It still feels like there's more than meets the eye to this... Yeah, up until the Grinch leak, I was even part of the "conservative" camp for the Box Theory (i.e. just up to Ken and Incineroar). And absolutely, I feel like the Direct was kind of weaved together oddly, especially how he described Spirits mode first, and then randomly brought in World of Light at the end. I feel it would've flowed better and allowed Sakurai to discuss how the mode works a bit better. Nah, Piranha Plant's in a brown pot most likely because of the Potted Piranha Plant item from Super Mario 3D World and Mario Kart 8. However, with Geno being in the game at all, this leads me to hope to his inclusion as an NPC role in the World of Light. Further rights do not need to be acquired for him to appear in the game, and so he could appear as an NPC a la Toadette or Cap'n Cuttlefish. Basically, Geno is the one to provide divine intervention by whisking Kirby away from his doom via star power. (Kirby never really displays this kind of teleportation ability ever, so...) Not to mention, Shulk's Vision cannot be altered unless someone else acts to change fate, or the person in question knows of their fate and actively tries to change it. As we see with other characters, them following their first instinct (ex. Zelda trying to reflect the beam) leads to their demise just as Shulk foresaw. Kirby probably wasn't going to make it, until Geno stepped in. So, perhaps Geno will appear as a guiding voice (perhaps anonymously) in the World of Light, and will be added as DLC (not the first NPC-turned DLC character in a game). Well, maybe I'm just grasping for straws here XD Your Banjo theory could still work, if we consider that Sakurai was unable to squeeze Banjo into the base game. Perhaps Sakurai could not start work on him until his trademark was renewed, or he put priority on finishing who was originally planned. Haha, maybe the Square Enix character is Yuna from FFX and FFX-2. Look, she stars in two games! And she's a Summoner, she sends the dead spirits to the Farplane! XD Yeah, I think Heihachi really is possible, I was a bit surprised to not see him as an Assist Trophy when Akira and Guile were revealed (or rather, Tekken being left out). I also think Elma might not be possible anymore, if Sakurai talked to Monolith Soft to add her, then it seems odd why they wouldn't have brought up Rex & Pyra for him to use instead. Unless Monolith Soft approached Sakurai first to add Elma... Finally...what's up with the Vifam rifle?! Don't tell me Sakurai was just using it for some kind of art project... XP
Gotta love how humble and nice you're about Geno. I should learn because I'm still having a hard time accepting it. Let's hope for the best with the DLC
What if Sakurai will introduce assist trophies as DLC? It could be a first in the series? And it might make the banner credible... EDIT: Considering Sakurai made bosses appear as assist trophies, this could make sense. That might explain why Skull Kid wasn’t a boss.
elemomnialpha I meant to say that he wasn’t a boss. Maybe the reason Incenaroar and Piranha Plant were missing was because they expected the reveals to take place in a different order. Until the leaker comes clean, we don’t know for sure.
I was gonna release all the Grinch characters, but since the Ken leak came out, I scrapped all those characters out and put in a Piranha Plant instead...
t..thanks sakurai sir...
Whatever... I have a few words to say to your interior designer! I was really hoping for Skull Kid, man! Couch and chairs... More like smoke and mirrors, uh?
@@TheNoWayOut85 There was a potted plant in the background though, so he was giving us hints. We just interpreted them wrong.
@@prastarkeepers The plants were just a coincidence imo
Revenge against spoilt children is sweet, isn’t it Sakurai
I learned something from this leak
Dont trust anything unless its from nintendo
Or the ESRB
good call
Good
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Or Vergeben
Just because the Grinch leak was incorrect...I'm still extremely interested in who the leaker is and the process that person went through to do this.
I'm still very genuinely intrigued by Grinch leak and would very much like to get to the bottom of how it all happened! I hope the leaker comes forward!
I really had a lot of fun speculating and guessing and sleuthing with you, PapaGeno - don't be too disappointed, because you gave us all things to think about and discuss on the road to the final direct - and that's valuable to all of us!
someone on 4chan uploaded the high-res version of the grinch leak -- it's really just clip art of the characters hastily pasted into the banner
@@haorae here ya go boards.4chan.org/v/thread/437298749
@@thomoclock link me that
@@LuksDahoraGamer i already linked it check my comment above
@@thomoclock I don't see any link at all.
One thing worth mentioning is that the Ken pose wasn't actually identical, as his gi's collar falls a different way. Still insane that they guessed the general pose, though, absolutely in shock at all of this still.
Vin S maybe it was but it was changed in the debug menu
yeah its slightly different but still... how does one leak get THAT lucky
@@PapaGenos I mean, as an avid street fighter player and fan, Ken is renowned for his flaming shoryuken. I'm not sure what you typed into google, but literally anything like "ken street fighter" or "ken masters" has one of the first row of photos include an uppercut :/ The only search that didn't turn up with an uppercut photo is "Ken," since it brings up all kinds of ken and not just SF Ken. Ken is really known for his uppercut, his kick, or his "Bring it on" pose (third strike portrait). So I would argue that it is fairly easy to make a good educated guess regarded Ken.
I understand that the same general message is the same, and yes, there are a lot of other claims to give to the skill and credibility of the grinch leak, but I don't think it deserves the exagerrated credit for how similar it guessed 1 of 3 of Ken's poses :/
it is a common pose for him but I guess what I meant is there are a good 4-5 other poses that are pretty well known as well and they still guessed it right on top of EVERYTHING else they had going for them. its a bit insane.
@@PapaGenos I am pretty sure it's the pose for Ken from Namco X Capcom btw. I suspected this all along, just wanted to be sure.
www.game-art-hq.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Namco-x-Capcom-Game-Character-Official-Artwork-Ken-Masters.jpg
Piranha Plant was a Spirit so I'm guessing it doesn't deconfirm characters!
Karka Yang my mind is blown. Shantae And Geno And Isaac are possible.
But
Most importantly,
WALUIGIIIIIIII
@@KirbyMario No, isaac and waluigi deconfirmed
@@KirbyMario Pretty sure Isaac and Waluigi are dead. Spirits don't deconfirm characters but I'm almost positive assists do
Also a K. Rool spirit
@@KirbyMario Yeahhh, cosidering Waluigi and Isaac are Assist Trophies, they're out.
I think the guy saw the chad ganondorf leak and made the grinch leak off of that. I’ve also seen theories that said the chad ganondorf and the guy who made the grinch leak are the same person. What do you think?
oh almost certainly
A 4chan post apparently said that the grinch leak was just a joke, posted to a discord server. Then yotuber mariotehplumber took that screenshot, made the chad ganon leak, and essentially tried to hold it hostage for views on his youtube channel.
Are we making theories for theories now
@@masked-feraligatr1094 The Chad Ganondorf leak came from September 29th though, long before the Grinch leak.
I might have a dad, but you're my papa.
omg i couldnt have said it any better
“He May have been your father boy but he wasn’t your daddy”
* our * papa
What he says: "The DLC characters get me REALLY excited because i get to continue speculating"
What he's thinking: "GENO HAS A CHANCE ASDFADFASDFASDF"
Im guessing acp plv IS working on it and had assets for the banner and someone made their own art specifically for a fake leak. That would explain how they got covered pieces of characters and the backdrop
its really one of the only explanations honestly
Gotta say I've been watching your channel since the beginning and I honestly want to say your my go to smashtuber for smash speculation. And I feel like Geno will be DLC so don't loose hope Papa.
im hopeful too!
Hey papa. Sorry things turned out the way they did. I hope people don’t put all their hate towards you. Many of us were fooled by the grinch leak. I’m bummed there’s no Geno, issac, or banjo in the base game. Keep your head up. At least we can predict and analyze DLC Characters
Ruffleds Dong Isaac is in the base game, as an assist trophy. Suck it
The Grinch leak was real. I just need to find the wormhole back to the right timeline.
mandela effect in full force
I feel like maybe it was a prototype before the DLC and stuff... whatever happened to sakurai’s gun robo model? None of the current characters seem to have any similarities to that.
@@billable1861 That's the only mystery left.
Adam Evening you’re rude in every timeline lol
It was real. The grinch images were real
You've probably gotten another comment like this already, but Spirits do not deconfirm characters. Characters like Daisy, K. Rool, and Snake are also Spirits. It's similar to how we had trophies of Lucas and Mewtwo in Smash 4 before they were added as DLC.
Also, on a more minor note, if you google "Ken Masters," the fourth result is a render of him in that Shoryuken pose. This was probably the inspiration for his pose in both the Grinch leak and the official banner.
YES. More people need to take notice of this. There wasn't any indication that Spirits deconfirmed characters to begin with. I hope more people become aware of this fact.
I have found undeniable proof that fighters have spirits sticker of them, meaning that spirits can be fighters as dlc.
Thanks to a friend on tittwer who got this amazing screenshot.
twitter.com/Mordexai0/status/1058914050002821120
Are those “real spirits” (I.e. ones that provide stat boosts) or just like an image you get for beating classic? Because I believe those were classified as Fighter spirits, not Primary or Support, so they may just be collectibles.
Not that it means “real spirits” definitely wont be dlc of course, I’m just saying it’s still up in the air.
Still hope for Geno and Banjo to be DLC Fighters!
You're reasonable. I still hope for Isaac, because I am not reasonable. I will never give up hope.
@@luminozero of course man, don't give up hope. ✊🏻
Same here man.
luminozero I still haven’t given up on my main guy Waluigi
It's super possible
Truth is Sakurai is too unpredictable... I think he wanted to make a statement, he gave the fans a lot of what they wanted, but in the end it's HIS game, and he doesn't want us to forget that. Anyway, thanks papa, this smash leak season has been a wild ride and it's not even over yet. I'm just glad you were there to help us navigate the deep sea of rumors and theories!
I didn't want Incineroar, but he actually looks fun, and he's not ugly like he is in Sun&Moon.
Hey Geno, just wanted to chim in and say that I really appreciate your content. I'm not gonna hate you or unfollow for the leak being fake, in fact, I'm eager to see what you come up with next on your channel. You seem like one of the few genuine and likeable people on this god forsaken website, and I really appreciate your honesty and humbleness in this situation. You rock, keep rocking.
thank you!
Great comment man, couldn’t have said it better myself :)
Amen dude
Us Shadow fans got played dirty, but I refuse to drop my support for him. I don’t feel bad for believing the leak, and I don’t blame you for anything either Papa. It was a fun ride and we still have DLC ahead of us.
Tyrannosaurus Rex I’ve lost all hope for him. It seemed like he may finally have a chance. But a plant got in.
Is Tails still possible?
Shadow, the only fighter I was hoping for. Now that he is an Assist Trophy again, maybe Dr. Eggman for DLC. Put him in the robot from Adventure 2.
The true Smash fans knew he wasn't going to get in. He is to unique to be a lousy echo fighter and the true Shadow fans would want Shadow to be unique not just a clone of someone else and be overshadowed (pun intended) by not their own uniqueness.
TheKennethRyanShow you give up too easily bro.. never give up
I never thought for a second that Grinch leak was real. Good rule of thumb is that any leak that appeals to fans (especially on the level of pandering of the Grinch leak) is fake
Eh, some of the Grinch characters were straight nobodies. Was anyone really looking forward to Mach Rider or the Chorus Kids?
@@Magneto411 Well... you're not wrong but Mach Rider is pretty much the "character I didn't know I want". After hearing about the fake leak, I really want Mach Rider in Smash. LOL
@@Magneto411 I wanted the Chorus Kids so bad actually, Rhythm Heaven is such an awesome franchise and needs a rep.
@@Magneto411 No one was looking forward for Piranha Plant either
W4r M4chine I was once I saw the leak lol
The Grinch leak had me hyped up and it was a bit disappointing that it was fake. But I wasn't that bummed out, still got my hopes for dlc.
basically same here
Mii's can be customized, if you go back and look at the screen you can see that they have different specials as they scroll through the skins. This really excites me because I use Mii gunner.
Solarcry
Didn't they mention how Miis are handled in the E3 presentation? I could have sworn that Sakurai stated that there'd be 3 "presets" (basically a set of specific specials) for each of the 3 Mii fighter types that you can choose from. So still customizable, just not to the level that you could do it in Smash 4.
@@awkwardsilence4427 Hmm I don't remember hearing him say that, I'll have to go back and look.
After the grinch leak and Piranha Plant, I don't know what to think of Smash speculation anymore.
Wilfred Cthulu same here :( next time we're getting a block from mario as a playable character😂😂😂
Piranha plant was almost as suprising as cloud
There are 2 lessons the community needs to take from this
#1. *ANYONE* can fake a leak(even someone working on marketing for the Grinch)
#2. Popularity will NOT get a character in to Smash if they don't mean anything more, all it does is bring them to Sakurai's attention
Youre a mean one...
Mr grinch
Underrated comment of the year
Good thing the piranha plant ate him
I think in hindsight that was the point of the leak.
I feel bad for Isaac fans especially billybo10k, but I’m glad Isaac is at least an assist trophy.
Jon man billybo and papagenos are my 2 favorite smash UA-camrs
Felt bad for both
Golden Sun has a lot characters. We dont mind Isaac being a Assist Trophy cause Matthew, Felix, etc can be DLC characters.
But isn’t Isaac easily the most iconic?
Unless a reboot is in the works with one of the other characters
I’m about to go all conspiracy theory but what if the reason that the trademark was renewed is because Nintendo is planning a new golden sun game and the new golden sun character in this hypothetical fake game will be smash bros dlc to hype this new game
@@JohnCena-xp7lq Real Golden Sun Fans could care less about being iconic or not. We just want representation.
Daisy has a spirit so it doesn't deconfirm characters. also geno being a online pfp does not deconfirm him
no named human is it an alt like her in a tennis outfit or is it just regular daisy with the dress? Because if it's the same daisy as the fighter, then that means that spirits doesn't disconfirm. Because there's a captain K.Rool but not regular K.Rool as far as we know.
@@cosmo9925 she is in her normal dress in the spirit.
Hey man im so sorry about Geno, keep up the videos though and stay positive.
thanks im still hopeful hes dlc tbh
#Geno4dlc
Apparently the dlc is actually characters that didn’t get finished in time, so I feel that gives him a good shot.
DLC:
1. Bandana Dee
2. Banjo & Kazooie
3. Minecraft Steve
4. Ray man
5. Geno
I believe after 2020 there’s Echo Dlc:
1. Dixie Kong (Diddy)
2. Mrs Pac-Man (Pac-Man)
3. Birdo (Yoshi)
4. Sora (Cloud)
5. Paper Mario (Mario)
I was certain it was fake because Sakurai said they were slowing down the reveals of charaters. So having 2 echoes and 5 newcomers seemed really really unlikely though I'm mad at them for waiting this long to show shadow as an assist trophy. They made everyone get their hype up for shadow only to kick them in the crotch a little over a month before the game comes out.
sakurai saying that was legit the best thing going against it but he also likes to trick us so... it just had so much evidence it was impossible to dismiss outright because of that
I saw a leak like this happening. Granted it was pretty realistic but 2 things:
1- People wanted those characters so much that they shut down the possibility of the leak being fake. They looked at certain unnecessary details sometimes.
2- Plenty of fake leaks had released. People should learn to take these things with a grain of salt to avoid disappointment.
The lesson to take away from this is: don't have hope, make a list of characters you're hopeful for and write "assist/spirit" above them, and then flip a coin to see which of the next pokemon generation's starters gets in.
I can’t believe Skull Kid was deconfirmed too. What a disappointment
agreed =/
I just hate the fact that he wasn’t even in the direct, they just silently put him on the site, like an afterthought... My OCD also kicked in when I realized that this ruins the good balance of one assist trophy per zelda game.
@@TheNoWayOut85 They did the same thing to Gardevoir. Didn't show her in any direct, just put her on the site.
Nick White how the hell could you hate Nintendo for not doing something they never even *HINTED* at doing
@@pezpro4946 he didn't say he hates Nintendo, he's just saying that he's disappointed, which is reasonable.
You cheeky boy. You knew what you were doing putting that piranha plant in the background
oh what is that relevant now? haha
love all your work for the community, you are a beacon of integrity
Hey, am I the only one who thinks PapaGenos sounds like a pizza restaurant? Also, characters that are already playable being seen in Spirits Mode makes me believe that characters like Geno who have been spotted in Spirits Mode aren't exactly deconfirmed as possibly being dlc fighters. So do you still believe Geno can be a dlc fighter? I do. I have a few ideas for dlc fighters and Vergeben leaked some of who he believes will be dlc fighters and seeing as he got everything correct he has ever said about Smash other than us getting a Square Enix rep, it leads me to believe we are getting a Square Enix rep as a dlc fighter, because he never specified on whether or not the Square Enix rep would be a base roster fighter or dlc or even who it is. But what are your thoughts on that?
it IS a pizza restaurant chain but its spelled "ginos"
@@PapaGenos There's a Gino's by me actually. It's been there for 35 years, dude. And yeah great pizza. But it isn't PapaGenos so doesn't count lol. I think it would be just PapaGino's though seeing as Idk how many people with that name spell it as Geno aside from our beloved badass puppet. Btw I am holding out hope for him still as a dlc fighter.
Ahah yes dude it is totally JUST you! You're literally the only one in the entire universe that thought that!
Banjo with a Minecraft stage and possibly even some Halo music? That sounds amazing
I could see it happening tbh but who knows. I do still think banjo will be dlc though
Halo? Nahhh I wish
Just Duffy I'd love a smash rendition of the halo theme but I admit it's a stretch
I can totally see this happening
I'll take a Click Clock Wood stage thank you. More likely a Mumbo mountain one though
The Direct was a lot about Spirits, options, and a little online, but there was barely anything touched upon, possibly nothing touched upon about the Games and More option, which is where you find stuff like break the targets, home run contest, the character customization, and stuff like that. There must something in there that Sakurai doesn't want anyone to know about until the game is released. I don't know why, but it's weird that he didn't talk about any of that in any of the Directs.
papa im very sorry geno didnt get in the roster and i hope he gets dlc because i know how much you want him
skull kid just getting dumped on the site feels like Sakurai and team aren’t aware of how passionate his fanbase is.
Sakurai is a geno fan too ya know
@@maximillianlylat1589 he said skull kid
18:40 I hope this is Piranha Plant's voice in Smash Ultimate when you chose Japanese as language
18:42
looool xD
I used to work for Universal Studios Hollywood. You do know that there is a collaboration between Nintendo and Universal, right? Nintendoland is coming to Universal Studios parks, so the fact that there is development for both companies promo material shouldn't be a total shock. I do have my doubts for what happened with the Grinch but I feel like this leak may not be done yet. I've noticed that assist trophies in General typically only have 2 moves max for their respective character....now with Isaac's assist he has Carry, Pound and Move abilities. That growth psynergy may not be fake, which would make an even stronger case. I do believe that Isaac might be a troll. He may still be a character. Or not, but still, it's good to know about the universal/nintendo partnership.
I wondered whether it was possible that Shadow and Isaac might end up being playable characters anyway. Maybe this is what Nintendo changed in response to the leak. For now I feel this was a troll move of the leak.
The creator of the grinch leak already came out on 4chan and explained how he did it. The leak is 100% fake.
Aca Can you send a link to the post? I’m super curious how they did it and would love to see the banner in a clearer quality
Holding out hope for Banjo-Kazooie, as they're my most wanted newcomer! Really hoping that if they did go to Microsoft for Steve that they asked for Banjo as well...
Plot twist, the leak had so much going for it because Sakurai actually made the leak to throw everyone off. And the grinch leak being disproven along with the assist trophies for Shadow and Isaac held until this last direct was so that no one would expect characters from the banner leak coming later.
Hell, we always think that assist trophy means deconfirmation but there aren't any rules like that for sakurai, if he wanted then he could make Isaac a fighter as well as an assist trophy and just have it so that isaac assist trophy doesnt appear while isaac fighter is in a match. There are 5 fighters confirmed for the future, and Sakurai said echo fighters wouldn't be apart of that. 5 fighters would leave room for Geno, Banjo, Mach Rider, Chorus Kids, and Isaac. Sakurai never said he would stop making echos either and they could be included on the side as a lower price or free in the case for Shadow. But who knows for sure
Thanks for all the work you do. I’m so ready to watch all 46:00 of this
I'm really grateful that you actually took some time to reflect on the grinch leak. I get the feeling everyone's so shocked with being duped by it that they aren't taking the time to both appreciate and speculate how such an unfakeable leak got faked. I'm just reeling from it. I certainly hope we get some answers about it in the future becausewhile disproven, it is not irrelevant in the slightest. Your break down of sources was extremely thorough and I can really see the trust you have so I'm willing to support your decisions by extension. I hope to see you check back with this mystery even while dlc is the speculation season.
It's alright man, a LOT of people got fooled by the grinch leak.
What about Medusa from Kid Icarus? She hasn't appeared as an Assist Trophy, or shown as a Spirit (despite having many KIU spirits). And there was a thing on Twitter with her voice actress when she was asked if she did something for Smash Bros Ultimate. Maybe she'll be a World of Light boss or something.
Its not your fault we all got hyped up for things we wanted looking real. Hype is a crazy thing and its easy to get sucked in. The worst part is how terrible vergeben is making the DLC sound, granted with everything thats happened, I'm not going to trust anything until we see it FROM nintendo, I'll keep holding hope for Geno and Banjo, even if we lost Issac Skullkid and Shadow to the void of AT's.
- June 2012, Tales of Symphonia director Yoshito Higuchi is announced as a team leader for one of Smash 4's development teams.
- August 2012, Tales series producer Makoto Yoshizumi says in an interview that he'd love to see Tales characters appear in the upcoming Smash Bros game. He's certain that Higuchi would agree.
- April 2015, The Smash Ballot launches
- July 2015, Lloyd is announced as a Mii fighter costume alongside Chrom and K. Rool, among others. The announcement trailer includes a musical track from Tales of Symphonia. It's the only track in the trailer that isn't included in Smash 4.
- February 2016, in an interview translated by Source Gaming, when asked about the Lloyd mii costume, Sakurai said he believes Lloyd is the only appropriate choice to represent the Tales series. When asked if perhaps the series' first protagonist, Cress, had been considered, Sakurai said, "I really think it has to be Lloyd here." He specifically mentioned it can be difficult to incorporate characters without the help of the original editorial supervision.
- June 2018, it is announced that Bandai Namco is co-developing Smash Ultimate.
@@FunkyHopper888 I think Namco's involvement in both this game and smash4 gives Lloyd a better chance than he would otherwise have.
I totally love it when you change the backgrounds!
i will never watch the grinch cartoon the same way again. its like he stole my christmas present of being able to play as geno in smash.
already favorite video of the day
I just want banjo, is it too much to ask? 😂💔 if he's not a DLC....then i will let him rest in peace
BTW i love all your videos and i will support you from now
I think its likely
Peace or pieces? Lol
Billable both xD i will change it ...didn't notice till now
The grinch stole smashmas and left us with a hecking plant
That's what happens when you stuff a Christmas tree up a chimney. THEY DON'T LIKE IT.
Piranha Plant in the background lol nice. Good thing There's still Banjo to look forward to for DLC. :D
How long do we have to wait for that dlc though
All the dlc characters will be released within a year so I guess it's hard to say.
I will say what I am frustrated about is regarding your source with Banjo. I honestly believed that Banjo was in thanks to your source, I guess it still could be possible with him as DLC.
It’s possible that Banjo is the Microsoft DLC character, along with a Banjo stage and music, but in addition to that a Minecraft assist trophy and music is added to the game at the same time. It would also bring the assist trophy number to an even 60.
But Minecraft Is Basically on everything.
thankfully, there are spirits of current playable fighters, so characters like Geno are not deconfirmed!
For reference, there was a post on the Smash subreddit of someone claiming to have played the Smash demo and saw a Spirit of Daisy. Not Mario Strikers Daisy, not any other form of Daisy, but just Daisy.
www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/9ts2in/spirits_do_not_deconfirm_fighters/
here's the post
twitter.com/Mordexai0/status/1058914050002821120
HERE YOU GO!!!
With this screenshot we have undeniable proof that fighters have spirit stickers MEANING spirits can be possible fighters in dlc
I appreciate your positive attitude and your honesty! I do feel that the Marketing team for Smash Bros failed a bit because the hype for a game is suppose to increase or be maintained, not die down when nearing launch. Some fans are legitimately upset that Piranha Plant was confirmed as a playable character ahead of other characters with a true identity.
On a positive note though, Piranha Plant helps Bandana Dee and Skull Kid because those two are regular characters who grew into an important role in their series! Bandana Dee being the Waddle Dee sidekick that helps Kirby on his quests and Skull Kid being a skull kid who was possessed by the Majora's Mask.
To add to the speculation side of Smash DLC, Cygames and Nintendo did just recently come out with Dragalia Lost and it is becoming the most popular Nintendo mobile game, behind Fire Emblem Heroes. Katalina may be a suggested for DLC but a character from Dragalia Lost might take her spot considering the popularity of that game despite how new it is!
Sakurai has said that only new/unique fighters would become part of the Fighters Pass, but what about Echo Fighters? He did brand that term and I can't imagine there not being anymore. This is me just being TOO optimistic though. But if that is the case and there's more to see aside from the 5 DLC planned characters then . . .
My picks for DLC would be in order of release:
1. Erdrick (February 2019)
2. Rayman (April 2019)
3. Banjo & Kazooie (June 2019)
4. Heihachi or Jin Kazama (September 2019)
5. Geno (December 2019)
Along with a reasoning for each:
1. Considering how his design was created by Akira Toriyama who also designed DB characters, Dragon Quest XI could be a candidate at the game awards, is a popular series in Japan with big ties to Nintendo, and is a character referenced to in the early games, also has a neat figure coming out soon (store.crunchyroll.com/collections/figures/products/dragon-quest-iii-hero-bring-arts-figure ) and we know how much Sakurai loves his figure representation!
2. Close ties to UbiSoft leads everybody to believe that aside from the Rabbids and Starlink crossover, there will definitely be a Smash Bros crossover. Perhaps the reason all of the already released crossovers happened was because UbiSoft sat down with Sakurai and his team to bring Rayman into SSBU in the first place and UbiSoft's developers wanted to continue that partnership.
3. Banjo & Kazooie need no explaining, they are part of the Nintendo family despite not belonging exclusively to Nintendo anymore. E3 would be a big reveal for Banjo & Kazooie to be in Smash Bros and it would be great for Nintendo to also hint at a future Banjo & Kazooie remake for the Switch, but the latter is me being hopeful.
4. Tekken is a huge series within the fighting game genre and seeing that Bandai Namco has yet to represent it is a bit odd. Jin is Heihachi's grandson and becoming the face of Tekken more than his evil grandfather, I could see him taking Heihachi's place but either choice would be good for the Tekken fan. Plus, Pokken happened and so did Street Fighter x Tekken years ago, so seeing Ryu vs Jin would make sense. I could see an EVO trailer this time for Smash Bros.
5. Thanks to Smash Bros speculation since the pre-Brawl era, Geno is a fan-favorite and seemingly Sakurai's as well, or at least it seemed like it for SSB WiiU/3DS. To celebrate the 1st anniversary of SSBU, it would be nice to have Geno finally come back to Nintendo and join the Smash Bros roster. This last pick is me letting emotions, nostalgia and logic crossover lol!
WHO IS HYPED FOR WORLD OF LIGHT
The Grinch had me fooled, too. And I'm usually a huge sceptic when it comes to leaks. But this one was just so authentic.
Still have hope for Banjo as DLC!
One thing that people never bring up about Sora being in smash is that Disney let Thanos be in Fortnite
I'm still Upset about Shadow and Isaac! Revealing them this Late was a Dirty Move and Bad Move! They should revealed them earlier so they wouldn't get people's hopes and dreams up. It would be awesome if a AT somehow became DLC!
they work as fast as they can they got out when they could try not to act like a child.
Let the DLC speculation begin now! From what we know so far, a Square Enix character should be announced at the Video Game Awards on December 6. Most likely a Dragon Quest character.
new to ur channel man, but love ur content.. it's nice to see someone being genuine and admitting to being wrong/tricked/etc.
good work man looking forward to more content :)
thank you!
Rayman (with the rabbits), Banjo Kazooie, Dixie Kong, Sora, and Crash Bandicoot would be the final 5 DLC characters I would like if I had to choose!
Be funny if the grinch leak was Sakurai's doing or the characters becomes DLC(regardless if assist trophy or not) lol
If that happened I wouldn't laugh, I would just have a stroke
Kyle Williams I could see Mach Rider and Chorus Kids being DLC along with Banjo, Rayman, and a Gen 8 Pokemon.
The thing I said when this leak was first brought to light, “I don’t believe it, it’s too blurry”, and I feel this is what actually caused it to be believable. If you make an image blurry, it can be very hard to identify the art style of an image, if I took a Smashify image or drawing of character, and put it on the banner and took a blurry photo of it, it would look very believable. This is why I don’t think anyone is stupid for believing this, it was very convincing, but as someone who uses a photo-editor and photoshop-esk programs quite often, I could concur why it was blurry. I don’t think of you any less for falling for it, in fact you earn even more of my respect for admitting that you fell for it. Keep up the good content, can’t wait see you play Ultimate!
You know, they called the titanic unsinkable, but that didn't turn out to be true either
exactly. these things can happen
*Why Geno will happen!*
- One of the most anticipated characters for Smash Bros in the last decade.
- He's one of the "Impossible Characters" with the order Ridley, King K. Rool and Geno. Both Ridley and King K. Rool have happened, even then Sakurai said that Ridley "is too big".
- Geno is the last one in the order and would be the final one to be revealed.
- Geno isn't relevant anymore, and so is King K. Rool and Isaac.
- Sakurai is a Geno fan and have wanted to put him in both Brawl and Smash 4, but couldn't because of Squared owning the rights to him.
- There's a unreleased "Beware the Forest Maze" remix in Brawl, so it seems like a lot of work went into making Geno.
- Geno was revealed as a Mii Costume after Cloud was revealed, which teases that Sakurai wants to put him in as a second Squate Enix rep.
- Also, the Mii Costume was the only one to get a full "Character Reveal Trailer" and even was released as a standalone DLC. This makes him more important than the other Mii Costumes, and makes his chances for begin in Ultimate even higher.
- Many of the Mii Costumes are now a fighter (Inkling, Chrom, King K. Rool, Isabelle...)
- Geno could be a rep for a possible "Super Mario RPG"-series, which would be mix of Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario and the Mario & Luigi series.
- Sakurai wanted Geno in both Brawl and Smash 4, but couldn't because of the rights to him. Now he have the rights to him, so why would he not make a fighter now when he can?
- Vergeben is saying that a Square Enix Rep is coming as DLC, and there could even be two.
- The DLC is: a fighter (Geno), a stage (Forest Maze) and some music.
- Because of the DLC already being planned, it could mean that these 5 characters was hold back because of Third-Party rights. Yes, these DLC is probably Third-Party characters.
- The Piranha Plant could be a possible hint for Geno, but that's just a _possibility_
- Geno would have a unique moveset and has enough attacks to make a moveset.
- Geno isn't a assist trophy. He should at least be a Assist Trophy if he isn't a playable character.
*Why he won't make it in*
- It could cause a lot of hate because of how irrelevant Geno is. But if a Piranha Plant can be a fighter, anything can be a fighter.
- He has been in two games: Super Mario RPG and Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. In Super Mario RPG, he was a playable SIDE-character, not the MAIN character.
- In Superstar Saga, he had a very small cameo, and that cameo was cut in the remake. Nintendo doesn't want us to remember him at all.
- What is the fucking point of him being in Smash? He can't really create a sequel to Super Mario RPG, and do we even need one? That team doesn't exist anymore and most of the developers are making Mario & Luigi games now! If you want a sequel, it's the Mario & Luigi series you're looking for.
- Why would Square Enix allow Geno to be in Smash before a character like Sora that could help sell the Kingdom Hearts series?
I think Resident Evil DLC is more likely than people might believe. It's Capcom's biggest franchise behind Street Fighter and it's popular in both Japan and the West. It also has a lot of recognisability, and it's coming back in major ways with the success of RE7 with fans and critics, and the RE2 remake getting a lot of excitement.
When this game was first teased one of my hopes was a Resident Evil character, so if it happens I'd be stoked.
Marvel Vs Capcom is still a huge crossover fighting franchise that uses Resident Evil characters, which is why it's highly unlikely they would join another crossover fighting franchise.
@@hentaifreak25 Last one had Ryu and Smash also has him. Also, Infinite flopped massively and only has two RE characters. Jill or Leon could be included in Ultimate and it wouldn't be stepping of MvC's toes. But I think it's was a fair point to bring up, that could always be a detractor but I don't think it kills it.
This is the second reaction video I've watched where they said "Yeah, no one actually liked the platforming sections of Subspace anyway, good thing they seem to be gone". And... I mean... I've never heard that before. Like, people complained about the Great Maze specifically because it was long and just a retread of the normal levels, and people complained about the fact that it was all generic landscapes and enemies rather than Nintendo franchises. But I've never seen people say that the entire concept of platforming sections was bad. Heck, Melee's adventure mode was lauded as a fantastic addition largely *because* of the platforming sections. And I certainly don't have that opinion personally that I didn't like the platforming, I absolutely loved the platforming in SSE. I'd buy a whole Smash game with nothing but a big long platforming adventure. I do share those same complaints that most people do about the Great Maze and the genericness of it all, but give me a platforming game with all the worlds of Smash and enemies and such and I will love it.
Keep up the speculation and take the grinch leak as a lesson to learn from. We all got fooled by it. You good man. Seriously though, you should poll the fans and drop a video of who the fans think the dlc fighters will be.
thats a good idea!
I wasn't fooled.
I learned my lesson after ArtsiOmni
*ANYONE* can fake a leak
Hopefully the Smash community can *FINALLY* take that to heart, to NEVER trust a leak until it has ACTUALLY gotten something right
If it wasn't for the Grinch leak, I might not have found your channel, so there's one good thing that's come out of it!
Now that all 59 assist are revealed it means Saki's assist has been completely removed from the game after being an assist in both brawl and 4. He's a possibility now. I'm hoping. Any other Sin and Punishment fans out there?
its a cool game, grabbed it from japan for the 64 when i went there, though you have to break some plastic off to play it on an american 64
@@PapaGenos wow. that's a lot of work for 1 game. I simply went on my wii's virtual console after I saw the character for the first time in brawl. I was so hyped a year later when they announced the S&P 2 for the wii. I remember during smash 4's development I speculated that there'd be either Saki or Isa for 4 since they resurrected the series right after brawl but unfortunately that never happened.
Saki's a Mii costume now.
@@AntonioFerreira-lz7qk Inklings have costumes too. And other playable characters had costumes on wiiu so it doesn't hurt his chances just yet
I was just saying, he's a Mii costume, I didn't say it hurt his chances and I would love to have him in the game.
Something is bothering me : I would buy the Fighters Pass because I'd like more characters and it's cheaper than purchasing them one by one.
However, after Sakurai showed the world that he is insane (aka piranha plant), I worry that he might make bad choices from now on. Minecraft, Granblue, these I never believed but now I have tiny doubt in my mind.
On another note, maybe Banjo isn't the Microsoft/Rare character and it's Rash from Battletoads. I don't want that but this would make sense.
Still crossing my fingers for Ayumi Tachibana for dlc
Who is that
@@turtleanton6539 I think she's from a detective famicom game
@@ShibaDoge981 Yeah, that!
Thanks.
Man, 46 minutes, nice. Love you covering these leaks and general information plus speculation. Definitely my favorite smash bros channel for this stuff. Keep it up!
after the direct, I bust out into tears. Seeing Isaac return as an assist trophy, just... Broke me. I don't blame you, or anyone for this, don't get me wrong. All you guys did was bring up the leak, and state your opinions. It's all on me that I bought into it. You're a good dude, PapaGenos. I still believe in your credibility.
But Nintendo, guys. You guys just broke my heart.
Geno still has a chance as dlc papa, but it could be sora. Shadow on the other hand.... i am absolutely devestated... 10 years and nothing....
Geno and Banjo are my most wanted dlc now!
Metoo
Your icon says otherwise...
lol
I love your dedication. Making this video even after you (and I, as well as many others) were fooled is something very interesting to watch and also pretty courageous after so many people are saying that we shouldn't have trusted this leak even though most of those people believed it 😂
16:22 Oh my god he just said the Plant looks really "dope"... never thought I'd hear him say that.
haha
You know...I was pretty down after the direct, but thinking about Piranha Plant and World of Light more, along with watching this video, has brought back my excitement a fair amount. Once you get over the loss of what you didn't get, you really start to appreciate what you did. It also helps to watch you get so excited, Papa G--Thanks for keeping up the enthusiasm!
I'm gonna be a literature guard, I apologize, but... it should be considered the Grinch _hoax_ now.
Come on man, don't be a bad banana with a greasy black peel. Let us have it just a little longer...
The grinch didn't aim for thano's head and this timeline is the result
Vergeben says we are still getting a square enix rep, geno is still in the running but I could see sora stealing the spot
Eric Tennison I swear to god if sora gets in I will dedicate the rest of my life beating the shit out of top gsp players with sora so he gets nerfed and all the sora mains can go fucking cry
Closo Tezuka Calm down there buddy is not that serious 😂
I hope sora does not get in over geno. Ive never play mario rpg and i love kingsom hearts but geno deserves to be in this game over sora
NeonBlkRager I wouldn’t really say Geno deserves it more since the only thing he got going for him is that smash fan think he would be cool while Sora is kinda a icon to gaming in same level as Snake or Cloud.
Although i love kingsom hearts, geno deserves the spot much more than sora.
I’m still in disbelief of the grinch leak lmao 😭😭 I’m expecting sakurai to tweet out “emergency broadcast”! And revealing everything on the banner but it’s whatever lmao
Geno is probably gonna be dlc
There is something that has come out on GameFAQs that people seem to be 50/50 on. I can't confirm or deny it considering I don't know Japanese for the life of me.
Some people claim that the Japanese Nintendo direct claims that the 5 DLC fighters were meant to be added at first, but due to time constraints get to be DLC instead. Like I said earlier.
I have no idea if it's real or not. But I do think it could line up with why Piranha Plant of all people is the first DLC and he is a free limited time offer together with Sakurai's "we got to trigger happy". Maybe they thought earlier that they were going to have a direct for each month which is why they show their load to early? Then again, It's just me spitballing.
My man PapaGenos always delivering!!!!
I really want Banjo, but with Vergeben talking about Minecraft, its gotten me worried about Banjo's fate. I'm not so sure it would make sense to have 2 Microsoft characters as DLC. Hopefully it's Banjo as a character and Minecraft as a stage!
It would be a sad day in gaming if Banjo and Steve are both on the table and they pick Steve...
I think that Piranha Plant is super cool and original. Obviously, I would have prefer 5 more characters. But the move set that she got seems way more interesting that what they could have done with those other character (exept chorus kids, they would be cool too). Plus, it was at least one surprice. They should have save a better surprice for the end tho. Maybe that King K Rool Trailer
The top 5 dlc I think would be Geno, Banjo, Rayman, Sora, and Steve. I don't see us getting that though. Especially having two square reps (sora is really Disney though I guess) and two Microsoft reps.
Isaac and shadow should have been in.
I had a theory that the characters were being revealed based on the date of their first appearance and I'm thinking that's why they got revealed the way they did.
Some people didn't like it because Inklings didn't fit, but they were used to announce the game so they were an exception (and the only exception).
I'm wondering now though if they'll continue that with the DLC.
Piranha Plant's first appearance was in Super Mario Bros. (1985) so maybe the next DLC character could be one of the following:
Dragon Quest character - 1986 - 1995 (DQ - DQ VI)
Geno - 1996
Then maybe followed by something like this:
Rayman - 1995 (If a DQ character is the next DLC. If Geno gets in too, he would come next.)
Bandana Waddle Dee - 1996
Banjo & Kazooie - 1997 (Diddy Kong Racing) / 1998
I think you're cool, and definitely don't blame you for people's disappointment. I appreciate your passion most of all. My only problem with all this is that the "leaks" gave people impossible expectations and caused them to get upset at the direct and even at Nintendo, which is just insane to me. Sure, it wasn't as hype as the previous Smash direct, but it was not a bad direct by any means.
The speculation and logical analysis was fun, I think from here on I'll do my best to ignore leaks/roster predictions in general and just enjoy the reveals as Nintendo plans them to be revealed. I trust Sakurai and the Smash team, and have no desire to be artificially disappointed by fake leaks. Peace out, and I hope you do end up getting Banjo and/or Geno, I'd love to see them as well!
Edit: Just wanted to say as well, I do agree that the order of the reveals ended up leaving the end a bit underwhelming. They came out swinging really strong, and ended on a relatively low note.
Yeah, very interesting design choices by the Grinch leaker especially regarding Isaac and the Chorus Kids. Nobody had ever thought of including the conductor, and especially not giving Isaac some vegetation to stand on! For Ken, that might've been guessable as, while Ryu appears to be using Tatsumaki, that would allow Ken to use the signature Shoryuken pose. Yeah, it does feel like it had to be done by a real graphic designer. And can you believe the dates of the Smash Directs, 8.8 and 11.1, seemed to imply 81 characters, which perfectly coincided with the Grinch leak... Oh, and the Mii Fighters STILL aren't grouped together in the real banner! It still feels like there's more than meets the eye to this...
Yeah, up until the Grinch leak, I was even part of the "conservative" camp for the Box Theory (i.e. just up to Ken and Incineroar). And absolutely, I feel like the Direct was kind of weaved together oddly, especially how he described Spirits mode first, and then randomly brought in World of Light at the end. I feel it would've flowed better and allowed Sakurai to discuss how the mode works a bit better.
Nah, Piranha Plant's in a brown pot most likely because of the Potted Piranha Plant item from Super Mario 3D World and Mario Kart 8. However, with Geno being in the game at all, this leads me to hope to his inclusion as an NPC role in the World of Light. Further rights do not need to be acquired for him to appear in the game, and so he could appear as an NPC a la Toadette or Cap'n Cuttlefish. Basically, Geno is the one to provide divine intervention by whisking Kirby away from his doom via star power. (Kirby never really displays this kind of teleportation ability ever, so...) Not to mention, Shulk's Vision cannot be altered unless someone else acts to change fate, or the person in question knows of their fate and actively tries to change it. As we see with other characters, them following their first instinct (ex. Zelda trying to reflect the beam) leads to their demise just as Shulk foresaw. Kirby probably wasn't going to make it, until Geno stepped in. So, perhaps Geno will appear as a guiding voice (perhaps anonymously) in the World of Light, and will be added as DLC (not the first NPC-turned DLC character in a game). Well, maybe I'm just grasping for straws here XD
Your Banjo theory could still work, if we consider that Sakurai was unable to squeeze Banjo into the base game. Perhaps Sakurai could not start work on him until his trademark was renewed, or he put priority on finishing who was originally planned.
Haha, maybe the Square Enix character is Yuna from FFX and FFX-2. Look, she stars in two games! And she's a Summoner, she sends the dead spirits to the Farplane! XD
Yeah, I think Heihachi really is possible, I was a bit surprised to not see him as an Assist Trophy when Akira and Guile were revealed (or rather, Tekken being left out). I also think Elma might not be possible anymore, if Sakurai talked to Monolith Soft to add her, then it seems odd why they wouldn't have brought up Rex & Pyra for him to use instead. Unless Monolith Soft approached Sakurai first to add Elma...
Finally...what's up with the Vifam rifle?! Don't tell me Sakurai was just using it for some kind of art project... XP
You know who I want...Travis Touchdown. I voted for him during Smash 4 and I will never give up hope that he'll get in! I'm sure Geno will get in too!
Gotta love how humble and nice you're about Geno. I should learn because I'm still having a hard time accepting it. Let's hope for the best with the DLC
What if Sakurai will introduce assist trophies as DLC? It could be a first in the series? And it might make the banner credible...
EDIT: Considering Sakurai made bosses appear as assist trophies, this could make sense. That might explain why Skull Kid wasn’t a boss.
Skull Kid is not a boss, he's an assist trophy, and even then it's still 100% uncredible for missing Incineroar and Piranha Plant
elemomnialpha I meant to say that he wasn’t a boss. Maybe the reason Incenaroar and Piranha Plant were missing was because they expected the reveals to take place in a different order. Until the leaker comes clean, we don’t know for sure.