Unfortunately when you’re a civ with limited resources you have to save your mags if possible . Of course if the circumstance dictates , the mag goes bye bye … better to live than get tagged while stretching for a magazine lol
GBRS: “outfit for the mission, if you go black on ammo just call for support” Minuteman: “give me all the ammo and grenades, I’m probably not coming back”
GBRS= MAX 6 month deployment, unlimited budget, Gucci gear on demand, rides to and from objectives, rare follow on missions, very specialized training and missions, book deals. Grunts= 12-15 month deployments, gear used by previous other Grunts, walking to and living on objectives, ALWAYS a follow on mission, trained to eliminate the enemy and embrace the suck, no real recognition by the masses. I’m PROUD to be a Grunts!
Paris island mid nineties…. “Stuff your empty mags in your cammie blouse, you will need them later. “ (Interesting edit ) this nugget came from then sgt Troy Black, now Sgt Major of the Marine Corps. Plt 3146 1996
How fucking dare you. Do you know those guys are not just regular sof there tier 1? Show an ounce of respect for those heroes. Not everyone can chest on their wives and screw over their friends and business partners. That takes a level of commitment you aren’t even capable of pal
Dump pouch all the way. I train 80% reloads with dump pouch. Very important for a civilian to have a dump pouch to retain all of your empty mags if used, if you can. You cannot buy more or be resupplied with more. You’re on your own.
You can’t reinsert the mag into your mag pouches? A situation where you have enough time to put the mag in your dump pouch, but not enough time to put it follower-up in your mag pouch is ridiculously rare.
@ mag pouch use slows you down a bit in reloads. You have to look, there is a bit of extra movement. But it’s an extra second at most to use. Worth it. Putting a magazine back in a mag pouch would require too much time dexterity and effort if in a “speed” reload. If you have buckets of time sure why not I guess. I have the belief only magazines with ammunition are in your gear especially you ever find yourself in a shit situation using multiple magazines.
@mattbaker9836 If you’ve tried it out in training scenarios relevant to what you’re expecting and it works for you, that’s great. Always use what works for you. Just trying to provide alternatives to consider for your use cases. I just never found a need in any of the firefights I’ve been in. There were sometimes when I’d throw one mag in a cargo pocket. I tried the dump pouch many years ago in Iraq as just a conventional normal guy and it didn’t work well for me. Too much bulk, clanging around with mags in it, and too high of a propensity of shit to fall out of it when moving over walls or diving into prone and such like that.
@ yeah maybe I’ll give it a shot next time I run and gun. I know what you mean. Dump pouch is not ideal and can be cumbersome. But as a purely civilian it’s a life line to continued retention of gear. I’ve tried a few different dump pouches nothing is perfect but some are better than others, need to almost play around with some see what works best. So yeah. I would be willing to try getting them back in the pouch….ill be honest never thought of trying that
Dude on the GBRS video says dump pouches are “loud” but dropping an aluminum magazine on a concrete floor from 6 feet isn’t. “KnoWLeDGe TrANsFeR bRo”. Can’t make this shit up anymore😂
Well I'm no SEAL but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night. My guess is that if you're dumping a mag you're probably already in a fire fight thus the noise from the mag hitting the ground is irrelevant. Since he did move silent move deadly crap I guess a mag pouch would be kinda noisy.
@@jadedclone6728 ooo I see, I just misread your comment, I'm sorry. I read "keep empty mags", as "pack empty mags", which would obviously be silly. Lol my apologies.
Listen guys, if watching the real life documentary called ACT OF VALOR taught me anything it’s 1. Navy seals HALO jump everywhere 2. They keep their cool soo MUCH the enemy cannot cope and therefore cannot return effective fire. 3. Navy seals don’t even need body armor as they can survive 7.62 NATO ball from battle rifles inside one meter to the face and it only takes out an eyeball( now forcing the navy seal to wear a badass pirate eyepatch) 4. A navy seal is the only warrior on earth that can take their own life when a Grenade is thrown at them and instead of simply pushing their buddies down or kicking the frag away, they decide to lay down on top of it, so that their fellow navy seals don’t have to lower themselves to the deck. 5. I heard they even HALO jump out of combat!!!
@@attakconsulting They called the cops on an employee they thought stole an ordered lower. They found out that the lower hadn't even arrived yet. Instead of apologizing, they fired him.
@@John--Silverlittle clarity, he dropped the lower off to be shipped at the wrong parcel service, when the tracking information didnt show it in transit they accused him of theft, but the parcel service had ALREADY returned the lower to GBRS, and a clueless manager (same manager who fired him) had put it in their intake instead. Fools all around. Fired the gentleman because they couldn't look him in the face after.
They aren’t using dump pouches for two reasons; First he’s right, the budget for DevGru is ridiculous so they literally had thousands of mags laying around. Second he was a SEAL and the DevGru seal, they aren’t having long sustained firefights. They are mostly doing DAs, KC, and hostage rescue. He was only in the SEALs he doesn’t understand how it works in army or marine squads. And he is stupid for saying something without having the experience with it.
This snippet is out of context, he wasn't implying that it is stupid for everyone else to pick up their mags but rather was saying why would he when he is in an active fight.
@@Velvetred1551 GBRS has their place, it just isn't with the average person whether they be a grunt, citizen, or average police officer. Everything they say is applicable to SWAT teams, US Marshalls, HRT, and the likes -- the "jump out boys".
If you’re conventional infantry and don’t have new mags coming in to replace lost or damaged mags and to maintain a reserve, then you have a shitty armorer or supply sergeant. They’re extremely cheap, can be ordered through class IX, and are even listed as a disposable item. Yes, even for conventional infantry.
Seems to my untrained opinion that DPs are absolutely necessary for real sustained combat/infantry work. Where as Dj and GBRS are still too focused on GWOT era smash and grab raids that only really work when you have absolute superiority in air power and technological superiority.
I've found it to be a preference thing. I've had guy love them, while I never really used mine. To be fair I had an Sgt a long time ago put the fear of god in over loosing shit and dps always felt unsecure lol. I mostly used mine to police up shit or put random shit in on the fly. Oh and snacks lol
Conventional infantryman here from GWOT. We had plenty of both mounted and dismounted patrols. We also rode in gun trucks and helicopters to our objectives. We didn’t just hit houses/compounds (though we did some of that), but we also did normal infantry stuff with fire and maneuver around farm land, palm groves, etc. All that to say I tried a dump pouch back in ‘07 on a deployment and hated it. It snagged on shit, clanged around with a couple mags in it, and I couldn’t use it for any sensitive site exploitation evidence because we needed to use evidence bags for that stuff. And when doing infantry stuff like going prone or climbing over walls (low profile style), stuff would fall out. Also turned out, it was just as easy to put my empty/low mags back in my mag pouches with the follower up. There was never a firefight reload with such immediate urgency that I couldn’t put an empty mag bag in my mag pouch. If I ever did encounter a scenario that meant I didn’t have time to put an empty mag away, oh well, I lost a mag but saved my life as I let it fall to the ground. But that would be a ridiculously rare scenario for almost anybody.
@ianphillips9105 If you’re okay with having it on your belt for the just in case, sure. I wasn’t, but we’re all different. I’d never knock someone for wanting to try one, but I’d put it pretty far down the list of desirements when looking to spend money on kit or ammo/training.
i use a dump pouch for tac reloads and for keeping spare rounds in. we did a refresher care under fire course on a wet and muddy range recently. we rolled around on the ground putting on tourniquets and doing buddy drills. i had my pouch closed all the time, but when i openend the pouch it had quite a lot of mud and coarse sand inside. not sure how it got in, but it soiled my rounds. i won't stop using it though, but it was a learning experience
isnt it obvious GBRS was speaking about their specific line of work? I don't understand why every infantryman took offense when they said we don't do dump pouches lmao
You’re not gonna be able to buy more PMAGs when the poopoo hits the propeller… keep your mags, bud. Your dearly-departed neighbor’s 2 spare Promags are a poor substitute.
If you’re really preparing for that, you’ll have magazines in hidden/buried caches. But also… just put the empty mag back in a mag pouch. Retention achieved.
Former A 1/504 and Recon 1/504 82d. Airborne brother, I agree. That's what I said, if you are spec ops, and have limitless resources, then sure leave all your mags and whatever else you want to on the objective. But for most combat we have to keep mags to jam for the next fight.
I was in Rager batt and SF (“spec ops”) we don’t just leave our stuff on the obj either. In Ranger batt in the 80s and 90s we tucked our shirts and dumped them in our blouse top. Then some genius invented dump pouches! How cool is that? No need to have irritating mags rattling around in your shirt. FFW to SF, fk yeah we used dump pouches. Unless you’re stuck on an object and you get a helo resupply or imagine an air drop resupply, do you think they’re gonna preload your mags for you?
@@JohnWalker-e6y yep, I was in Division 88-92, and we dropped mags down the front of our shirts too. Mags are an important commodity, never just drop them. Anyway, I enjoyed reading you comment brother.
Remember that their context is as a (SOF) military unit (ie mega budget) backed up with military logistics. They can afford to drop $30 pmags with no issue, they've got a truck full of them. I however do not have a truck full of pmags and don't want to leave my finite mag supply strewn across the field. That is the context
We didnt get issued dump pouches 03-09. In iraq we would use sustainment pouch as impromptu D.P. yea we definitely did some mag reloading after making contact also
Dump pouches are extremely handy. They can be utilized for a lot of different things. Modern dump pouches roll up into a nice small little package too. I can't see a reason not to run one. I currently have 4 battle belts with different load outs, all with dump pouches.
I’m just a dude commentating on something on the internet. You breezed over snagging. I stopped using a dump pouch when I got hung up on the side of a UH60 fastroping about 40 feet up. Stopped using it since then. I’ve seen taller guys get snagged up on door handles etc. I haven’t missed it. Most of us reload with retention from the furthest mag pouch from our speed reload pouch which negates putting in a dump pouch. Not saying they’re inherently bad. When I was in the regular army I used one extensively and after a while figured out there was a better way to skin the cat by managing my gear more efficiently.
Great video, I only commented on the video yesterday, but that figures as I know there are a couple of UK Maureen’s working for groober and they are the same they arrive via aircraft carrier and think nobody heard them !
Jesus Christ is it that hard for everyone to split the subject matter? DJ is talking about HIS experience and being a CQB pro! For SOF and especially tier 1 HR units where they aren’t on the objective long, speed and surprise is paramount. Do you listen or does it go in one ear and out the other? These dude are literally tailoring pants, not for comfort but for noise. All day everyday is training. Their budget is practically nonexistent and they don’t need to worry about dump pouches. For someone that has 11 years in conventional infantry you should know there isn’t a one size fits all approach. Primary HR units in the US military are on another level where dump pouches aren’t a concern. This goes back to the hydra mount. That mount isn’t for everyone. It is specifically for a short rifle where rail space is very limited. Everyone makes fun of it but for 9 inch 300 blackout. It doesn’t get much better if your unit is running NVG’s 24/7 with a laser. This isn’t hard. 🤦♂️
This guy is such a fucking moron. Clearly watched the video at 2x speed and missed DJ clarifying the extremely high standard at the top, not to mention his personal pride in his craft😂 No one hated on his beloved dump pouch hahaha they just don’t run them because the risk isn’t worth the reward!!!! I throw my mags on the ground just to spite this broke bastard!
I remember stuffing empty magazines into my "top" so I can jam them up later. We lost a few as a platoon I think but we did have to pull them out later like we shoplifted in an Army Surplus store. When things calmed down, then the uncomfortable corners can be felt etc. Sidenote: I used my Camelbak as a secondary device. If it's empty some, blow it up with little air, shift it up toward your neck and you got a pillow...BAM!!!
Pre-GWoT infantry Marine. I'd like to know when the SOP changed. We were always taught mag retention, and as they noted, you train like you play. Also, as you said, one of the first things on securing an objective was to designate a few Marines (one from each squad, say) to collect empty mags and start recharging them against the expected counter-attack.
Everyone has their opinion on what works for them, criticism of someone with top tier special operations experience from someone who has none is a mistake. I know you want clicks and views but this is a bad look. I appreciate your take on other topics but don’t make it personal. Just saying.
Our firearms instructor was an Army Ranger (circa Mogadishu) who taught us the difference between a tactical reload and a speed reload, if you don’t have time to stow away the half empty mag in a carrier, a dump pouch is a great place to store it in the meantime… but what do I know, I only worked federal, state and local law enforcement🤷♂️
I certainly recognize both schools of thought. There are certain missions/scenarios that would require the ability to save spent mags, and there are instances where the added sound from a dump pouch might be an issue. No need to go to extremes, the key is to adapt to what you are doing.
The video didn’t even make sense. He was talking about how it’s bad to have a dump pouch hanging while clearing buildings doing CQB. Who the hell ever thought you should be doing that with a dump pouch to begin with? They’re arguing against idea no one argued to begin with.
I totally agree with you. Special Forces guys have the luxury of crates with endless mags at the FOB or wherever they come from. They have no need to retain when the mission is over in 30 min or less. It's situationally dependent and all your points are valid. What do I know tho, just a civilian airsoft guy who runs dump pouches LMAO, I keep them folded up when not in use :)
For HR, I can understand where DJ is coming from. But for sustained operations, retaining mags is smart as the speed balls might not be able to be delivered.
Good take Trench. Everyone wants to emulate high speed Tier 1 guys but no one wants to be the conventional Ground Combat Element. I’ve used my dump pouch very frequently, it’s useful for ranges or field ops I never went deployed in a combat environment. Keep up the good videos brother.
Thank you for your input. I saw the video about not having a dump pouch. Because I was searching for a good one to buy. Hint, in your description can you show some you recommend. For me it is application and resources. I shoot long distance, bolt gun, specialized magazines for 308. So yes I'm retaining my magazines. Second, a civilian has limited resources. And in a it hit the fan encounter. Does someone really want to go magazine shopping your dead enemy? While reinforcements might be arriving from their side. Because it reminds me of a trap from thousands of years ago. Leaving food in the camp and leaving. The enemy thinks you retreated and left food cooking, so you eat. Only to find out you played your weapons down when the attack you. And the noise issue. I think it rounds are going off, the enemy maybe knows your are there. So thank you for your rebuttal post. Im sure the French Resistance kept their magazines if they were luck enough to have an auto long gun magazine fed.
Well said man!! I was wondering what you were gonna say but it all is absolutely true. If they dont have dump pouches for sale then that should give you your answer!!
100 percent agree. I saw a podcast of them trashing dump pouches and kept thinking to myself how useful mine was, not just for mags but for anything i had to grab and take quickly while on the move. Its a good way to have an extra hand without having to give a hand off your weapon while on the move.
I’m split on this one 😂 You’re not reloading magazines in combat. We preloaded magazines for this very reason. Our assault packs had 210 rounds loaded into magazines. GBRS are speaking from a DEVGRU perspective. I served from 2007-2015 with 4 combat rotations as a grunt. My GWOT experience definitely sides with GBRS on this one. Dump pouches weren’t really needed especially during firefights. You can’t really speak on these topics if you haven’t deployed to a real combat zone. It sounds like you joined late and missed out on the combat time.
Comparing your infantry CQB tactics to that of DEVGRU Operators CQB tactics is beyond laughable. Those guys eat, breathe and sleep CQB. CAG & DEVGRU are masters of that specific skill set.
I like watching operator content, you and the comments criticizing them are 100% true and valid. Some people idolize operators primarily seals so much that they just can’t believe it.
I distinctly remember one of the GBRS guys Cole IIRC saying he carried 120 rounds total during A hit. The story he was relaying I believe they were on A mountain side ascending against an enemy force. My recall may not be exact but I think he suggested they were using door-kicker (short barrel) rifles to fight up A mountain.
reminds me of the video Jeff Gurwich made when he recalled a lesson he learned the hard way in the early days of Iraq, where everyone thought they'd be running super-cqb door-kicker stuff in the city and started carrying shorty carbines with red dots, only to realize that yes the door-kicking was the focus, but you had to fight your way INTO the raid and then OUT of the raid, re-learning that "Urban is not CQB".
Yeah that was f’ing stupid. Totally lost respect for them. Yeah they are great shooters. No doubt. And they are fucking fit. They have had hundreds of thousands of rounds to perfect their marksmanship and and what good is all that when you can’t look like a freakin body builder? Looking cool is 90% of it. But what good is any of that that when you throw your team under the bus? Shit birds
I can't imagine life without a dump pouch. I can stuff full mags, empty mags, ammo, smokes, dip, smoke grenades, stuff to keep me warm and dry, etc. It's just a big pocket. If you can't find a use for a big pocket, you have no imagination
Seals ran around gwot w MP7s and multiple times would speed off when engaged and leave rangers to fight due to not having adequate equipment. They are very niche. All of their lessons don't apply to us. These guys are purely assualt/CQB they don't normally deal with anything outside of cqb.
Well I am too old and non-commando to be here. When I saw this I thought they meant the dual black leather ones that held 6 loose rounds each and rode on the front of our black duty River Belt. Putting the loose rounds on Bianchi Speed strips was considered high speed until they let us carry speed loaders.
Remember nerds, you are NOT special op or door kickers. This pertains to him and his job, not your larping nonsense. You don’t have big military resupply, retain your shit and let these guys shitcan theirs. If you’re getting mad about this it means you’re simple and don’t have the right mindset.
Depends on whats happening, often could just re-index the mags as i go, or drop them in my pockets... I had 1 bad experience with the "down the blouse" route so I didnt do that again 😂. That said, still had a neat zip up dump pouch for all the random stuff youd pick up. It was out of the way until needed and unzipped. Prefer the zip to the roll up ones. Dump pouchs also came in useful for getting hands free of random small breaching/other tools. But Trench, get a manual/stick shift next time... You missing all the fun with that automatic mustang
Dude, GREAT VIDEO! This is a great discussion that needs to happen. SEALs are not Infantrymen, and Infantrymen are NOT SEALs. Rangers are "Infantrymen", "Medics", "Forward Observers", "Commo Dudes", "Mechanics", etc. Maintaining your MOS keeps you humble and focused on your JOB. YES, the 75th Ranger Regiment has conduct multi-day operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, period. There are key lessons that Infantrymen learn when conducting extended missions (Training or Combat): establishing Patrolling Bases, Planning, Communicating, Conducting Platoon Missions, Battle Drills, etc. This is why, I encourage EVERY single 11B and Combat Arms Dude to go to Ranger School. It is literally 4187, and you not taking no for an answer. I understand the BS! You are going to have "Bad RI's", "personal shit", "injuries", "alien abductions" (which "allegedly" happened), but if you don't quit you are good. Even if you need to go back that is fine. One of my E-7's went to Ranger School 3 or 4 times, and his Tab looks just like mine.
I don't use dump pouches often but I have a Maxpedition Rollypolly rolled up on my belt. It's there if I need it but it's a water bottle holder more often than anything else. I also use HSGI taco pouches so magazines coming out of the weapon during administrative reloads easily go back into the rear pouch.
GBRS is navy. Not Army. Seals have been trying to be water-borne infantry since Vietnam. They still haven’t figured it out. I have found them to have weird tactics that only “works” for them. Don’t get me started on the optic height crap they do.
They call it “heads up display” so does that mean a HUD instantly pops up in front of your face, they don’t use word right it, it is calls heads up posture, and yes don’t get me started on the optics height as well
I’m sure those DEVGRU guys who have been on more operations than you or most Americans can dream of, would love to hear your knowledge on how to be a warfighter.
I completely agree with you. Especially when we start talking about SHTF/WROL. You won't have the infrastructure to buy more, you certainly won't have military resupply lines, let alone the support SEALS have. I think you're just applying common sense to some bad advice.
You guys are amazing haha, he also explains how he modified their pants…. Wanna give him shit on that ??? No …. Bec you weren’t allowed to have it , let alone modify it. So why don’t you take a look in the mirror and instead of shitting on them , realize that you had a very different job than they did. What worked for you didn’t work for them and that’s all
That GBRS video on his reasoning for not wearing a dump pouch should have everyone questioning the combat experience of the individuals involved with that company. Never have I heard such nonsense than in that GBRS video (that I only watched because of you talking about it). No. You are not a dumb infantryman. You are spot-the-fcuk-on.
I’ll respect fellow GWOT vets for work well done and getting home BUT what gbrs did to their employee I don’t think they’ve got much integrity. I don’t take anything they say too serious. Tell me “cool story bro” type stuff. That’s it. They’re direct action in and out so I don’t think they know practical long term field sustainment. It’s a different type of fight. You want a dump pouch. We actually got 2 things from marines back then. 36y zero and dump pouches. Seals take what? 6 mags? We had 13 for sop. So we took 13 and threw another 4-6 in our assault pack. We had 500 rounds sop for .50 and 240…. We took 1000. They’re in and out type dudes. Pump and dump. I don’t expect them to know what a platoon does on patrol or what it looked like 5hrs into it.
I totally understand D.J.'s logic on not picking up an empty magazine during an engagement. Putting hands on an empty mag during a gunfight is probably not the best course of action. It will dramatically reduce reload time and decreases noise retention on a patrol. Unnatural noises in heavily foliaged areas such as woods and forests is a fire teams wet dream (Hey Toto, we're not in Ramadi anymore), plus having empty mags on one's person under stress could lead to a unintentional dry fire situation (which could set up a premature meeting with the ol reaper). Should you wear a dump pouch? Sure, but there is plenty of enough time to go back and lace up your shit after the smoke clears because nobody wants to get clapped with an empty mag in their hand.
"I don't like dump pouches. It adds weight and bulk."
It's a flat packing bag.
I laughed way too hard at this comment omg
Unfortunately when you’re a civ with limited resources you have to save your mags if possible . Of course if the circumstance dictates , the mag goes bye bye … better to live than get tagged while stretching for a magazine lol
DJ meant when in use on your rig.
The only reason they dont like dunp pouches is because they cant find a reason to charge $300 for one.
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pfp is spot on 👍
No book deal involved.
Ohh yell they could get 300 buck from them,,, there brainwashed fanboys would buy a turd from them if they sold them,,
GBRS is a bunch of CQB obessed GWOT guys who have mags back at base. Completely usless information for the minuteman style
Nailed it
Exactly. It’s all about context.
Hammer meets head of nail
This…
GBRS: “outfit for the mission, if you go black on ammo just call for support”
Minuteman: “give me all the ammo and grenades, I’m probably not coming back”
GBRS= MAX 6 month deployment, unlimited budget, Gucci gear on demand, rides to and from objectives, rare follow on missions, very specialized training and missions, book deals.
Grunts= 12-15 month deployments, gear used by previous other Grunts, walking to and living on objectives, ALWAYS a follow on mission, trained to eliminate the enemy and embrace the suck, no real recognition by the masses. I’m PROUD to be a Grunts!
12B vet. Luv y’all grunts! 11B’s bang! Marines bang! Rangers bang!
@@damonharrington2948Cringe bro
Typical dumb mouth breather logic "iM pRoUd To Be A gRuNtS" 🤤 ok weirdo
YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EXACTLY what I said! lol.
Gbrs is just about to release a dump pouch for 250 dollars.
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@@CiviTac You forgot boom, boom, boom, already on the dot
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When I reload in moms basement I use the dump pouch or else mom gets mad about the floor.
Real
Paris island mid nineties…. “Stuff your empty mags in your cammie blouse, you will need them later. “
(Interesting edit ) this nugget came from then sgt Troy Black, now Sgt Major of the Marine Corps. Plt 3146 1996
Rahh.
This was taught in the army early 2000s also. That’s such a good comment as an Army guy I will give you a Rah.
I was taught to keep a cargo pocket on the pants empty but having your blouse/shirt/jacket open if you're wearing LBE is brilliant. Thanks friendo.
Absolutely what I was taught in '95 in Hollywood 😉. Works well when wearing your old school deuce gear. Semper Fi devildog.
YUP! We ran with the top buttons of our blouses undone (we dont wear armor) and we threw the empties in our bdu tops, if we were retaining them.
I actually have to pay for my mags soooo I need a way to retain them lol
@@RickSanchez167 I’m not throwing out $7
Amen
@@RickSanchez167 he doesn’t. He can’t afford to throw out $7. Weren’t you listening?
@@RickSanchez167 no, my body is a temple
@RickSanchez167 not in every state
someone embracing the Infantryman mindset vs sucking off SOF instabros is such a fucking breath of fresh air. Keep on keeping on dude
How fucking dare you. Do you know those guys are not just regular sof there tier 1? Show an ounce of respect for those heroes. Not everyone can chest on their wives and screw over their friends and business partners. That takes a level of commitment you aren’t even capable of pal
Of course GBRS doesn’t need a dump pouch.. those dudes can just shove empty mags in their sports bras.
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Their dump pouches are inverted and permanently attached to their back side.
Dump pouch all the way. I train 80% reloads with dump pouch. Very important for a civilian to have a dump pouch to retain all of your empty mags if used, if you can. You cannot buy more or be resupplied with more. You’re on your own.
Agreed
You can’t reinsert the mag into your mag pouches?
A situation where you have enough time to put the mag in your dump pouch, but not enough time to put it follower-up in your mag pouch is ridiculously rare.
@ mag pouch use slows you down a bit in reloads. You have to look, there is a bit of extra movement. But it’s an extra second at most to use. Worth it.
Putting a magazine back in a mag pouch would require too much time dexterity and effort if in a “speed” reload. If you have buckets of time sure why not I guess.
I have the belief only magazines with ammunition are in your gear especially you ever find yourself in a shit situation using multiple magazines.
@mattbaker9836 If you’ve tried it out in training scenarios relevant to what you’re expecting and it works for you, that’s great. Always use what works for you. Just trying to provide alternatives to consider for your use cases.
I just never found a need in any of the firefights I’ve been in. There were sometimes when I’d throw one mag in a cargo pocket. I tried the dump pouch many years ago in Iraq as just a conventional normal guy and it didn’t work well for me. Too much bulk, clanging around with mags in it, and too high of a propensity of shit to fall out of it when moving over walls or diving into prone and such like that.
@ yeah maybe I’ll give it a shot next time I run and gun.
I know what you mean. Dump pouch is not ideal and can be cumbersome. But as a purely civilian it’s a life line to continued retention of gear. I’ve tried a few different dump pouches nothing is perfect but some are better than others, need to almost play around with some see what works best. So yeah. I would be willing to try getting them back in the pouch….ill be honest never thought of trying that
Dude on the GBRS video says dump pouches are “loud” but dropping an aluminum magazine on a concrete floor from 6 feet isn’t. “KnoWLeDGe TrANsFeR bRo”. Can’t make this shit up anymore😂
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Well I'm no SEAL but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night.
My guess is that if you're dumping a mag you're probably already in a fire fight thus the noise from the mag hitting the ground is irrelevant. Since he did move silent move deadly crap I guess a mag pouch would be kinda noisy.
@@NANA-lq5mda dump pouch would empty before so it be the same senario as you mentioned and weighs almost nothing.
What's worse, is he wasn't just a regular SEAL. He was a Team 6 guy...
30 rounds of 556… noone noticed. Put mag in dump pouch: insert Metal gear solid alert sound
US Army 1966-1969 We didn't have dump pouches, but always keep empty mags.
I know vets that use empty clamore bages.
Why wouldn't you just keep them full and bring extra loose rounds?... like he said lol
Instead of just carrying empty mags for no reason.
@@UFC_Buffalothey retained empty mags once the ammo was used. Loose rounds are more noisy than any clanging piece of gear ever.
@@jadedclone6728 ooo I see, I just misread your comment, I'm sorry.
I read "keep empty mags", as "pack empty mags", which would obviously be silly. Lol my apologies.
@@UFC_Buffalo it happens lol
Retention isn't just for weapons. It's for all your equipment too. Those dudes are goobers.
You look like the Gerber baby. Good video.
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Bro... I will never look at him the same again
Gerber baby with great tits!!!
That was cold dude...but it's true.
We still love Trench.
I look like like Uncle Fester...so...
Baby huey iroquois
Listen guys, if watching the real life documentary called ACT OF VALOR taught me anything it’s
1. Navy seals HALO jump everywhere
2. They keep their cool soo MUCH the enemy cannot cope and therefore cannot return effective fire.
3. Navy seals don’t even need body armor as they can survive 7.62 NATO ball from battle rifles inside one meter to the face and it only takes out an eyeball( now forcing the navy seal to wear a badass pirate eyepatch)
4. A navy seal is the only warrior on earth that can take their own life when a Grenade is thrown at them and instead of simply pushing their buddies down or kicking the frag away, they decide to lay down on top of it, so that their fellow navy seals don’t have to lower themselves to the deck.
5. I heard they even HALO jump out of combat!!!
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I haven’t watched them since they started “calling the police” on folks
Explain this please.
Haven’t heard this story
They hate civilians.
@@attakconsulting They called the cops on an employee they thought stole an ordered lower. They found out that the lower hadn't even arrived yet. Instead of apologizing, they fired him.
@@John--Silverlittle clarity, he dropped the lower off to be shipped at the wrong parcel service, when the tracking information didnt show it in transit they accused him of theft, but the parcel service had ALREADY returned the lower to GBRS, and a clueless manager (same manager who fired him) had put it in their intake instead. Fools all around. Fired the gentleman because they couldn't look him in the face after.
Instead of dealing with Slade when he was starting his own thing they said he stole some gear and called the law…
They aren’t using dump pouches for two reasons;
First he’s right, the budget for DevGru is ridiculous so they literally had thousands of mags laying around.
Second he was a SEAL and the DevGru seal, they aren’t having long sustained firefights. They are mostly doing DAs, KC, and hostage rescue.
He was only in the SEALs he doesn’t understand how it works in army or marine squads. And he is stupid for saying something without having the experience with it.
This snippet is out of context, he wasn't implying that it is stupid for everyone else to pick up their mags but rather was saying why would he when he is in an active fight.
@@apersonontheinternet8006 agreed. I’m not even a GBRS fan but I am a straight shooter and I even understood what he was saying.
@@Velvetred1551 GBRS has their place, it just isn't with the average person whether they be a grunt, citizen, or average police officer. Everything they say is applicable to SWAT teams, US Marshalls, HRT, and the likes -- the "jump out boys".
If you’re conventional infantry and don’t have new mags coming in to replace lost or damaged mags and to maintain a reserve, then you have a shitty armorer or supply sergeant. They’re extremely cheap, can be ordered through class IX, and are even listed as a disposable item. Yes, even for conventional infantry.
Trench! You can't forget these seals are not infantryman first. They have a different mindset than us.
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But can they balance a ball on their nose?
Seems to my untrained opinion that DPs are absolutely necessary for real sustained combat/infantry work. Where as Dj and GBRS are still too focused on GWOT era smash and grab raids that only really work when you have absolute superiority in air power and technological superiority.
When doing raid spec-op dudes also have a quick reaction force B team waiting nearby so they basically have no worry about reinforcements.
I've found it to be a preference thing. I've had guy love them, while I never really used mine. To be fair I had an Sgt a long time ago put the fear of god in over loosing shit and dps always felt unsecure lol. I mostly used mine to police up shit or put random shit in on the fly. Oh and snacks lol
Conventional infantryman here from GWOT. We had plenty of both mounted and dismounted patrols. We also rode in gun trucks and helicopters to our objectives. We didn’t just hit houses/compounds (though we did some of that), but we also did normal infantry stuff with fire and maneuver around farm land, palm groves, etc.
All that to say I tried a dump pouch back in ‘07 on a deployment and hated it. It snagged on shit, clanged around with a couple mags in it, and I couldn’t use it for any sensitive site exploitation evidence because we needed to use evidence bags for that stuff. And when doing infantry stuff like going prone or climbing over walls (low profile style), stuff would fall out.
Also turned out, it was just as easy to put my empty/low mags back in my mag pouches with the follower up. There was never a firefight reload with such immediate urgency that I couldn’t put an empty mag bag in my mag pouch. If I ever did encounter a scenario that meant I didn’t have time to put an empty mag away, oh well, I lost a mag but saved my life as I let it fall to the ground. But that would be a ridiculously rare scenario for almost anybody.
@pb7087 Gotcha. So it falls into a "better to have and not need" than "you're gonna use this, so have it" type deal.
@ianphillips9105 If you’re okay with having it on your belt for the just in case, sure. I wasn’t, but we’re all different.
I’d never knock someone for wanting to try one, but I’d put it pretty far down the list of desirements when looking to spend money on kit or ammo/training.
i use a dump pouch for tac reloads and for keeping spare rounds in. we did a refresher care under fire course on a wet and muddy range recently. we rolled around on the ground putting on tourniquets and doing buddy drills. i had my pouch closed all the time, but when i openend the pouch it had quite a lot of mud and coarse sand inside. not sure how it got in, but it soiled my rounds. i won't stop using it though, but it was a learning experience
Trench couldn't wait to address this. 🔥
Correct
The mustang has more civilian casualties than any army that ever was
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@@royayers276 yeah but that’s a good thing in that scenario
@@royayers276 love the pfp 😂😂😂
@@royayers276 LOL!!!! Thanks for the laugh.
censorship is jewish
isnt it obvious GBRS was speaking about their specific line of work? I don't understand why every infantryman took offense when they said we don't do dump pouches lmao
The original dump pouch, down the chest, the belt holds it all in place.
You’re not gonna be able to buy more PMAGs when the poopoo hits the propeller… keep your mags, bud.
Your dearly-departed neighbor’s 2 spare Promags are a poor substitute.
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@@trench_grenade”Finally, some good fucking knowledge transfer!” -Gordon Ramsey, probably
@@bulldaggerwatkins190 correct 😂
@@trench_grenade dude, you’ve been absolutely fucking killin’ it with the all the stuff you’ve put out so far.
If you’re really preparing for that, you’ll have magazines in hidden/buried caches.
But also… just put the empty mag back in a mag pouch. Retention achieved.
a dump pouch killed my father
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Hello Phil. I am that dumb pouch. You are next.
Your momma lied. That dump pouch was your father!
My ex-wife, both of them, were both dump pouches. Thankfully I lived to see another day...
Former A 1/504 and Recon 1/504 82d. Airborne brother, I agree. That's what I said, if you are spec ops, and have limitless resources, then sure leave all your mags and whatever else you want to on the objective. But for most combat we have to keep mags to jam for the next fight.
All the way!
Strike hold
I was in Rager batt and SF (“spec ops”) we don’t just leave our stuff on the obj either. In Ranger batt in the 80s and 90s we tucked our shirts and dumped them in our blouse top. Then some genius invented dump pouches! How cool is that? No need to have irritating mags rattling around in your shirt. FFW to SF, fk yeah we used dump pouches. Unless you’re stuck on an object and you get a helo resupply or imagine an air drop resupply, do you think they’re gonna preload your mags for you?
@@JohnWalker-e6y yep, I was in Division 88-92, and we dropped mags down the front of our shirts too. Mags are an important commodity, never just drop them. Anyway, I enjoyed reading you comment brother.
@@tomyoung8563 Hooah. When were you there?
If you don’t run a DP, what are you going to dump in? That’s right, your buddies dump pouch.
I'm surprised that Ford made it through the whole video without breaking down.
Remember that their context is as a (SOF) military unit (ie mega budget)
backed up with military logistics. They can afford to drop $30 pmags with no issue, they've got a truck full of them. I however do not have a truck full of pmags and don't want to leave my finite mag supply strewn across the field.
That is the context
We didnt get issued dump pouches 03-09. In iraq we would use sustainment pouch as impromptu D.P. yea we definitely did some mag reloading after making contact also
Didn't have dump pouches when I enlisted in the 80's, we just put our empties in our BDU cargo pockets
The good ol butt ruck
Goobers will wait for Slade to release a dump pouch and then they'll patent it and release it with a Goobers logo
My dump pouch ain’t for magazines. It’s for 00 buck shells. Re-stock the cards as needed.
I myself like to save weight by not having a rifle. You can literally save 6-8 lbs, 10-200 lbs if you're an HK guy.
MacGyver!
I personally don't like dump pouches, but gbrs is stupid.
Dump pouches are extremely handy. They can be utilized for a lot of different things. Modern dump pouches roll up into a nice small little package too. I can't see a reason not to run one. I currently have 4 battle belts with different load outs, all with dump pouches.
Now all the GBRS fan boys are going to take out dump pouches from their kit
I’m just a dude commentating on something on the internet. You breezed over snagging. I stopped using a dump pouch when I got hung up on the side of a UH60 fastroping about 40 feet up. Stopped using it since then. I’ve seen taller guys get snagged up on door handles etc. I haven’t missed it. Most of us reload with retention from the furthest mag pouch from our speed reload pouch which negates putting in a dump pouch. Not saying they’re inherently bad. When I was in the regular army I used one extensively and after a while figured out there was a better way to skin the cat by managing my gear more efficiently.
Great video, I only commented on the video yesterday, but that figures as I know there are a couple of UK Maureen’s working for groober and they are the same they arrive via aircraft carrier and think nobody heard them !
I wanna see a force on force between DJ and Trench in their typical mission kits.
I'm glad you made this video, I've heard so much conflicting info on dump pouches and their place in tactical kit
If I didn't have a dump pouch I'd be likely to keep one magazine pouch empty and one GP pouch completely empty.
Dude had a military industrial complex lol 🐎
Jesus Christ is it that hard for everyone to split the subject matter? DJ is talking about HIS experience and being a CQB pro!
For SOF and especially tier 1 HR units where they aren’t on the objective long, speed and surprise is paramount. Do you listen or does it go in one ear and out the other? These dude are literally tailoring pants, not for comfort but for noise. All day everyday is training. Their budget is practically nonexistent and they don’t need to worry about dump pouches. For someone that has 11 years in conventional infantry you should know there isn’t a one size fits all approach. Primary HR units in the US military are on another level where dump pouches aren’t a concern.
This goes back to the hydra mount. That mount isn’t for everyone. It is specifically for a short rifle where rail space is very limited. Everyone makes fun of it but for 9 inch 300 blackout. It doesn’t get much better if your unit is running NVG’s 24/7 with a laser.
This isn’t hard. 🤦♂️
This guy is such a fucking moron. Clearly watched the video at 2x speed and missed DJ clarifying the extremely high standard at the top, not to mention his personal pride in his craft😂 No one hated on his beloved dump pouch hahaha they just don’t run them because the risk isn’t worth the reward!!!! I throw my mags on the ground just to spite this broke bastard!
I remember stuffing empty magazines into my "top" so I can jam them up later. We lost a few as a platoon I think but we did have to pull them out later like we shoplifted in an Army Surplus store. When things calmed down, then the uncomfortable corners can be felt etc. Sidenote: I used my Camelbak as a secondary device. If it's empty some, blow it up with little air, shift it up toward your neck and you got a pillow...BAM!!!
Pre-GWoT infantry Marine. I'd like to know when the SOP changed. We were always taught mag retention, and as they noted, you train like you play. Also, as you said, one of the first things on securing an objective was to designate a few Marines (one from each squad, say) to collect empty mags and start recharging them against the expected counter-attack.
Gbrs just use their prison pouches as a dumpy. Like a literal dumpy…
Everyone has their opinion on what works for them, criticism of someone with top tier special operations experience from someone who has none is a mistake. I know you want clicks and views but this is a bad look. I appreciate your take on other topics but don’t make it personal. Just saying.
It’s an individual that evidently takes an actual operators mere opinion too seriously while failing to see his own Dunning Kruger Effect issues.
Our firearms instructor was an Army Ranger (circa Mogadishu) who taught us the difference between a tactical reload and a speed reload, if you don’t have time to stow away the half empty mag in a carrier, a dump pouch is a great place to store it in the meantime… but what do I know, I only worked federal, state and local law enforcement🤷♂️
I certainly recognize both schools of thought. There are certain missions/scenarios that would require the ability to save spent mags, and there are instances where the added sound from a dump pouch might be an issue. No need to go to extremes, the key is to adapt to what you are doing.
The video didn’t even make sense. He was talking about how it’s bad to have a dump pouch hanging while clearing buildings doing CQB. Who the hell ever thought you should be doing that with a dump pouch to begin with? They’re arguing against idea no one argued to begin with.
“EHRM, IS THAT AN ARMY PT SHIRT?!” ☝️🤓
-A certain UA-camr I know
Listen Linda
Gotta keep my Milkyways and Twix somewhere so I can dish out some tricks and treats.
Based and correct.
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I totally agree with you. Special Forces guys have the luxury of crates with endless mags at the FOB or wherever they come from. They have no need to retain when the mission is over in 30 min or less. It's situationally dependent and all your points are valid. What do I know tho, just a civilian airsoft guy who runs dump pouches LMAO, I keep them folded up when not in use :)
For HR, I can understand where DJ is coming from. But for sustained operations, retaining mags is smart as the speed balls might not be able to be delivered.
Good take Trench. Everyone wants to emulate high speed Tier 1 guys but no one wants to be the conventional Ground Combat Element. I’ve used my dump pouch very frequently, it’s useful for ranges or field ops I never went deployed in a combat environment. Keep up the good videos brother.
dump pouch is like the 2nd/3rd most important piece on kit lmao. #1 holster, #2 magazine pouches, #3 dump pouch
these guys are nutty
My boy in the 24% apr mustang! Im here for it. Enjoy the ride bud ❤
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Thank you for your input. I saw the video about not having a dump pouch. Because I was searching for a good one to buy. Hint, in your description can you show some you recommend. For me it is application and resources. I shoot long distance, bolt gun, specialized magazines for 308. So yes I'm retaining my magazines. Second, a civilian has limited resources. And in a it hit the fan encounter. Does someone really want to go magazine shopping your dead enemy? While reinforcements might be arriving from their side. Because it reminds me of a trap from thousands of years ago. Leaving food in the camp and leaving. The enemy thinks you retreated and left food cooking, so you eat. Only to find out you played your weapons down when the attack you. And the noise issue. I think it rounds are going off, the enemy maybe knows your are there. So thank you for your rebuttal post. Im sure the French Resistance kept their magazines if they were luck enough to have an auto long gun magazine fed.
FORD ?? Wow
Don't ask don't tell bud !
They are past that now😂
@@cassallen6362 ya...im old I joined in 1987
@@FishRanch.in.Commiefornia nah not old tacticly sound, Charlie Mike brother
@@cassallen6362 🇺🇸 it's gonna get worse before it gets worse
Well said man!! I was wondering what you were gonna say but it all is absolutely true. If they dont have dump pouches for sale then that should give you your answer!!
Coming soon… GBRS Unity FAST dump pouch riser
Imagine crushing on a navy seal in your auto mustang🤣
100 percent agree. I saw a podcast of them trashing dump pouches and kept thinking to myself how useful mine was, not just for mags but for anything i had to grab and take quickly while on the move. Its a good way to have an extra hand without having to give a hand off your weapon while on the move.
I’m split on this one 😂 You’re not reloading magazines in combat. We preloaded magazines for this very reason. Our assault packs had 210 rounds loaded into magazines. GBRS are speaking from a DEVGRU perspective. I served from 2007-2015 with 4 combat rotations as a grunt. My GWOT experience definitely sides with GBRS on this one. Dump pouches weren’t really needed especially during firefights. You can’t really speak on these topics if you haven’t deployed to a real combat zone. It sounds like you joined late and missed out on the combat time.
Comparing your infantry CQB tactics to that of DEVGRU Operators CQB tactics is beyond laughable. Those guys eat, breathe and sleep CQB. CAG & DEVGRU are masters of that specific skill set.
I like watching operator content, you and the comments criticizing them are 100% true and valid. Some people idolize operators primarily seals so much that they just can’t believe it.
I distinctly remember one of the GBRS guys Cole IIRC saying he carried 120 rounds total during A hit. The story he was relaying I believe they were on A mountain side ascending against an enemy force. My recall may not be exact but I think he suggested they were using door-kicker (short barrel) rifles to fight up A mountain.
reminds me of the video Jeff Gurwich made when he recalled a lesson he learned the hard way in the early days of Iraq, where everyone thought they'd be running super-cqb door-kicker stuff in the city and started carrying shorty carbines with red dots, only to realize that yes the door-kicking was the focus, but you had to fight your way INTO the raid and then OUT of the raid, re-learning that "Urban is not CQB".
I quit caring what those dorks had to say when they had an employee arrested for not stealing a lower.
Yeah that was f’ing stupid. Totally lost respect for them.
Yeah they are great shooters. No doubt. And they are fucking fit. They have had hundreds of thousands of rounds to perfect their marksmanship and and what good is all that when you can’t look like a freakin body builder? Looking cool is 90% of it.
But what good is any of that that when you throw your team under the bus?
Shit birds
As Grunt Proof said, if you're worried about how loud your velcro is, you've already made too many mistakes.
I can't imagine life without a dump pouch. I can stuff full mags, empty mags, ammo, smokes, dip, smoke grenades, stuff to keep me warm and dry, etc. It's just a big pocket. If you can't find a use for a big pocket, you have no imagination
Seals ran around gwot w MP7s and multiple times would speed off when engaged and leave rangers to fight due to not having adequate equipment. They are very niche. All of their lessons don't apply to us. These guys are purely assualt/CQB they don't normally deal with anything outside of cqb.
who fucking cares? if they dont like em then they dont. i dont like them either. use what works for u and dont worry about what others r doing
I saw that video earlier, too, and it didn’t make me want to ditch my dump pouch :)
Well I am too old and non-commando to be here. When I saw this I thought they meant the dual black leather ones that held 6 loose rounds each and rode on the front of our black duty River Belt. Putting the loose rounds on Bianchi Speed strips was considered high speed until they let us carry speed loaders.
Remember nerds, you are NOT special op or door kickers. This pertains to him and his job, not your larping nonsense. You don’t have big military resupply, retain your shit and let these guys shitcan theirs. If you’re getting mad about this it means you’re simple and don’t have the right mindset.
Look at Mister Rich over here only using his mags once and replacing them.
"35 meters past the last dead enemy!" Priceless. Love my dump pouch. Esstac. They got a mini and a regular size.
Depends on whats happening, often could just re-index the mags as i go, or drop them in my pockets... I had 1 bad experience with the "down the blouse" route so I didnt do that again 😂. That said, still had a neat zip up dump pouch for all the random stuff youd pick up. It was out of the way until needed and unzipped. Prefer the zip to the roll up ones. Dump pouchs also came in useful for getting hands free of random small breaching/other tools. But Trench, get a manual/stick shift next time... You missing all the fun with that automatic mustang
In the 12B world, dump pouches are great for c4 and other doodads while you’re under fire, not just magazines
Dude, GREAT VIDEO! This is a great discussion that needs to happen. SEALs are not Infantrymen, and Infantrymen are NOT SEALs. Rangers are "Infantrymen", "Medics", "Forward Observers", "Commo Dudes", "Mechanics", etc. Maintaining your MOS keeps you humble and focused on your JOB.
YES, the 75th Ranger Regiment has conduct multi-day operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, period. There are key lessons that Infantrymen learn when conducting extended missions (Training or Combat): establishing Patrolling Bases, Planning, Communicating, Conducting Platoon Missions, Battle Drills, etc. This is why, I encourage EVERY single 11B and Combat Arms Dude to go to Ranger School. It is literally 4187, and you not taking no for an answer.
I understand the BS! You are going to have "Bad RI's", "personal shit", "injuries", "alien abductions" (which "allegedly" happened), but if you don't quit you are good. Even if you need to go back that is fine. One of my E-7's went to Ranger School 3 or 4 times, and his Tab looks just like mine.
I don't use dump pouches often but I have a Maxpedition Rollypolly rolled up on my belt. It's there if I need it but it's a water bottle holder more often than anything else. I also use HSGI taco pouches so magazines coming out of the weapon during administrative reloads easily go back into the rear pouch.
Yep 100% with you on this one Trench. No doubt. Drill Sergeants unite!!!
GBRS is navy. Not Army. Seals have been trying to be water-borne infantry since Vietnam. They still haven’t figured it out. I have found them to have weird tactics that only “works” for them. Don’t get me started on the optic height crap they do.
They call it “heads up display” so does that mean a HUD instantly pops up in front of your face, they don’t use word right it, it is calls heads up posture, and yes don’t get me started on the optics height as well
I’m sure those DEVGRU guys who have been on more operations than you or most Americans can dream of, would love to hear your knowledge on how to be a warfighter.
I completely agree with you.
Especially when we start talking about SHTF/WROL. You won't have the infrastructure to buy more, you certainly won't have military resupply lines, let alone the support SEALS have.
I think you're just applying common sense to some bad advice.
You guys are amazing haha, he also explains how he modified their pants…. Wanna give him shit on that ??? No …. Bec you weren’t allowed to have it , let alone modify it. So why don’t you take a look in the mirror and instead of shitting on them , realize that you had a very different job than they did. What worked for you didn’t work for them and that’s all
That GBRS video on his reasoning for not wearing a dump pouch should have everyone questioning the combat experience of the individuals involved with that company. Never have I heard such nonsense than in that GBRS video (that I only watched because of you talking about it).
No. You are not a dumb infantryman. You are spot-the-fcuk-on.
They only speak from quick missions. Conventional infantry usually stays out for long haul missions.
DJ was a Seal. What are all of you?
Budget is a consideration when building your kit out. I would put a dump pouch lower on your list. It's low on the need but high on the nice to have.
Did GBRS finally settle with the employee that you all had wrongly arrested?
Not liking dump pouches is pretty gay.
I like when you quoted "...what am I gonna do, reload a mag on the target?...".
😂 That's such an odd take.
I’ll respect fellow GWOT vets for work well done and getting home BUT what gbrs did to their employee I don’t think they’ve got much integrity. I don’t take anything they say too serious. Tell me “cool story bro” type stuff. That’s it.
They’re direct action in and out so I don’t think they know practical long term field sustainment. It’s a different type of fight. You want a dump pouch. We actually got 2 things from marines back then. 36y zero and dump pouches.
Seals take what? 6 mags? We had 13 for sop. So we took 13 and threw another 4-6 in our assault pack. We had 500 rounds sop for .50 and 240…. We took 1000.
They’re in and out type dudes. Pump and dump. I don’t expect them to know what a platoon does on patrol or what it looked like 5hrs into it.
Mags, ammo, water, maps, gear, TSE stuff, pyro, the list goes on. I guess they never heard of an emergency vs. tac reload.
I totally understand D.J.'s logic on not picking up an empty magazine during an engagement. Putting hands on an empty mag during a gunfight is probably not the best course of action. It will dramatically reduce reload time and decreases noise retention on a patrol. Unnatural noises in heavily foliaged areas such as woods and forests is a fire teams wet dream (Hey Toto, we're not in Ramadi anymore), plus having empty mags on one's person under stress could lead to a unintentional dry fire situation (which could set up a premature meeting with the ol reaper). Should you wear a dump pouch? Sure, but there is plenty of enough time to go back and lace up your shit after the smoke clears because nobody wants to get clapped with an empty mag in their hand.
I get the noise factor but everything else about the dump pouch is awesome!