@@JP-of8uq it’s absolutely a concern I think for gov agencies that can’t/wont tune their guns. But for a civilian who can tune their gun, not nearly as big an issue imo
They literally address this in the video. even a "bad" suppressor removes enough of the big BANG that its less discernable at distance. Its mostly about reducing muzzle flash signature
@Jason-id8nc they also have a huge ass fan base which affords them free gear, so options change with exposure to different things. But yes most of them are literally getting large checks cut to name drop, can't say I blame them. Capitalism is a greedy whore and we all fund her.
@@andrews.8802CAT or Cobalt too. Notice they don’t shoot Cobalt rifles. It’s BCM now. CAT suppressors and the Cobalt Scrambler are made and licensed at CGS.
@@aaronfreedland5734WRONG. CAT silencers ARE NOT made by CGS. CGS also explicitly stated, when they first started the distributor partnership with CAT, that they DO NOT make them. All they do is the FINISHING WORK on the silencers. Such as the SERIALIZATION AND MARKING of the silencers. CGS handles all of the markings relevant for the NFA/ATF rules, as well as handling the PROCESSING of warranty claims The silencers are made at a large, US 3D printing manufacturing plant running hundreds of machines using laser powder bed fusion. They “rent time” on the machines the same way that Apple “rents” production time at TSMC in Taiwan CAT’s original OEM was i3D, but now it is unknown who they are currently contracting
Man, I’m still rocking the first and only one I’ve ever purchased but has done me good so far. A Sig 762Ti-QD. Predominantly on a 16” 308 & an 8.5” 300blk. It’s way overbuilt for the 300blk but takes the massive concussion of a short 308 to the point that it’s very pleasant to be around.
I'm not sure I understood why he brought it up. Was he saying that auditory exclusion mitigates hearing loss, or that it keeps you focused on other stimuli your brain perceives as more important? He kind of threw the term out and moved on.
@@cfwfswimteam3619 he was commenting to the fact that in the middle of a self defense situation in your house or on the street youre brain isnt going to notice that youre not wearing ear pro or running a cann youre just gonna shoot
i have a couple of DeadAir Sandman S cans, they work good enough for me, especially on my .300 blackout. but my funnest...most fun....whatever, can is my FN Catch 22 Ti on a Sig P322 and shooting subsonic .22lr rounds. I put that together for my wife and daughter to learn to shoot cause they get freaked out by the noise of 9mm (no shame, they are trying to learn). turned out, this thing is so fun to shoot. it was quite popular at the local indoor range a couple weekends ago. had a few guys come over to check it out cause, to quote them, "it was hollywood quiet". let a couple of them give it a go, one was like "i dont wanna shoot all the ammo in your mag" and was like "bruh, its .22lr ammo, let it rip". all that said, i have heard great things of the hux flow-through cans. now trying to decide if i can justify dropping $1300 + tax stamp on one...decisions...
Agreed, upper respiratory disease from service is a 100% Disability rating from the VA. Takes years to get all trace of lead out of the blood. Ask me how I know 😅
It's weird that you bring up drama between other grown men whom you have never met. Very strange that you'd be so invested in two grown men having a falling out in their friendship. But either way, the CGS SCI-6 was poorly engineered from the get go. LOTS of people had issues with the suppressor coming loose from the flash hider. Do you know why? The mount used a taper but they coated the flash hider with some sort of pvd coating. There is no way to control the thickness/uniformity of those types of coatings so the end result was tons of people getting flash hiders that were out of tolerance. It would've only been barely out of specc but with a taper mount it has to be essentially perfect or you will not get the desired effect. So, definitely not top 10 just due to the oversight made by their engineers. This is the reason why quite a few companies don't coat their muzzle devices and instead just send them through heat treat.
DJ check out the new PTR Vent 3 it is one of the quietest at the muzzle and for bystanders as tested by Pew Science. Plus it’s low back pressure technology and it’s Titanium Printed Foam! I just picked mine up from jail after only a two day hold!
Soooo to the last bit about ear pro… your ears under adrenaline I believe start to block out noise when your ears expect it. For example hunting requires open ears to listen for those sneaky animals and you’re shooting a rifle caliber way larger than what cops and military use (outside of snipers and crew served) and nobody stops to put on ear pro. I can’t think of how many times I’ve shot my rifle and didn’t hear it because I was super focused on the deer and my ears didn’t hurt. I researched it. How is that possible. Then in the winter running a machine gun in the snow with 3M bs earplugs and it felt like someone stabbing me in the eardrums with a knife. Ears rang for what felt like weeks after that and I knew it was my hearing loss dying out slowly lol 🤷 thanks aunt Samantha
I respectfully disagree with this. You are damaging your hearing whether you are aware of it or not. It’s pretty uncommon to wear ear pro hunting in PA and most of the later aged hunters I know have significant hearing loss. Measurable to needing hearing aids. Always worse in their rifle shoulder side ear. We used to run bird dogs for years for Pheasants forever. Our dogs used to go mostly deaf by 9-10 years old. I always thought it was just age with them. I haven’t run dogs for about 15 years but I still prefer the breed. My dogs now are way into their 13+ years with no notice of significant hearing loss. That’s when I realized we were deafening them with the shotguns. They were out in front of us where the pressure waves are the worst. Reading about inner ear structure and talking to audiologists, I’ve come to really hate loud noise for no reason. You don’t realize you are getting a sunburn until it’s too late. Hearing is the same. Just because your pain threshold is moved due to adrenaline doesn’t mean your body puts up a shield on your ear drum.
@@SusquehannaValleyFirearmsLLC thanks for being a respectful person in disagreeing with me that lacks in these days - I’m not saying not to use it or that you don’t need it I fully acknowledge the hearing loss but I’m saying the military and cold conditions made it was worse and my cousins and I sat around one day asking each other like “bro, do you ever notice when you shoot the gun doesn’t hurt your ears but if I’m watching you shoot I have to plug my ears? Why is that” so I researched it and it is true that during a moment like this your primal instincts close off unnecessary sensory perceptions and whatnot like when officers get into OIS you never hear them complain unless their buddies fire next to their ears but we shoot a lot in the military and that’s when it started to suck. I’ve shot rifles being stupid without it and now I don’t even like shooting a .22 unsuppressed without ear pro… I’ve got hearing loss and tinnitus from the Marines lol I never had any issues hunting but now I will not go out without my electronic ear pro even to hunt. The only time I’ll use it without ear pro is if I have to for self defense. Can’t walk around town with peltors on and can’t tell someone “hold on let me put my ears in before you attack me” especially if it’s a bear and they don’t care what you have to say lol thanks for the conversation brotha God speed and peace be with you! Wear your ear pro! And get some for the pups! 🐶🤝
@@DrunkChristian03 ah, ok. I understand now. I may have misunderstood your position. Your explanation was very good. Yes I agree. Ear pro for sure. I’ve hunted with suppressed rifles for about ten years now and it’s been great. I can’t imagine going back. My kid is just starting and it will be suppressed rifles for sure. I completely understand the points made in the video about not being able to use ear pro during surprise situations and I couldn’t agree more. If I had to use a concealed weapon, I’m not going to value my hearing over my life or someone else’s at that point. But I certainly keep foamies all over the place for use with tools, guns, etc. I’m sorry to hear of your hearing loss also. It’s unfortunate for sure. No one valued that stuff years ago and now that they do it’s too late for many.
@@SusquehannaValleyFirearmsLLC I think the part in my comment about the cold was also that it may have been too cold to wear foamies like for whatever reason they didn’t expand all the way to seal my ear shut and that particular day it was a lot of fully auto machine gun firing and it just pounded my ears I was surprised they weren’t bleeding lol but both DJ and Cole have been put through way more than I have, I’m just jealous of all the guys rocking peltors and suppressors now but I think we need to address the toxins that DJ mentioned I really appreciate him for bringing that up. I’ll buy more flow through suppressors if I can. We get so caught up in the sound dampening and signature reduction but what about our health?
There is something called an “warned response”. It has nothing to do with adrenaline. Basically, tiny muscles in your face, ear, and inside the ear constrict the passageways that sound travels, as well as as providing a slight protective factor to the inner ear. It does does cause the inner ear to be slightly more protected and objectively react less severely to loud noises. So it is protective in that sense, but not very much. The analysis is considered “Warned” when you know the noise is going to occur. For example, a “Warned” analysis is appropriate when you are analyzing hearing damage risk to the personnel firing the weapon. The inner ear muscles contract during a “Warned” response, lessening the severity of the event. It’s PART of why unexpected loud noises sound louder than loud noises you expect. But with gunfire, you’re still damaging your hearing
If you get a chance you should check out the Silencer Co Velor LBP. It's Flow Through just like the Hux, it's also the most durable suppressor Silencer Co has ever made.
I wish you’d be able to say. “I really used to like the CGS suppressors ran them a lot but some personality issues have steered me away from using them anymore.”
My Earpro growing up was usually after a half case of clays or beer . By then my dad had a few cigarette butts he would make me stick in my ears. I wear double Earpro these days and shoot suppressed. Just more pleasant
@@DaveJackalope they’re surprisingly underrated by a lot of the gun influencers which is interesting because they have an insane catalog of suppressors and they make so many different models. B&t was also early on the flow through game
@@jaydubs6354I think they just haven't paid enough 'influencers' yet and been in the game in the US long enough for most people to Know about them yet. For the product you get, they are tremendously cheaper than comparable KAC/SF cans, which have the same military pedigree. B&T naming is a little confusing at first though. They're stuff is legit though and they have some cutting edge flow cans. And of course, SF mount compatible is huge.
I’ve left this comment under a larger comment thread in here, but I thought flow-through cans were having terrible issues with signature under night vision from too much gas being able to escape and igniting? I even saw a video demonstrating this and comparing RC2 to RC3 and HUXWRX. It was pretty bad.
100%. I shoot quite a bit under nods and the 2 Hux cans I've seen were extremely flashy. They also heated up super fast and stayed hot, glowing under nods and thermals excessively
@@Talon1983 I mean it's subjective(my opinion at least)... But under nods the warcomp does worse off than essentially an upgraded A2 w/taper(forget which company it is) both suppressed and unsuppressed. It's once of the flashiest devices out there IMO.... Again both under nods= suppressed&un; also no nods=suppressed&un.
Looking for a good suppressor test video? Try "Muzzle Flash Test of 25 Suppressors - SilencerCo, Dead Air, Huxwrx, AAC, KGM, Rugged, B&T, and More" by Silencer Syndicate. Those dudes are the go to when buying a shhh stick.
The rc2 was cool when it released in 2015. Nowadays cans half the price run circles around it. Times have changed technology is better and the RC3 is no bueno like overpriced hammered ass cheeks bad
@@thewonarmedbandit5615surefire still the king for signature reduction…QD system works but is trash with carbon lock…probably the worst I’ve seen. But i still don’t see too many that can compete on signature
The 556 flow IS quiet. The 556k is not very quiet. But to the shooter in the free-field, the 556k is still very quiet at the ear. The 556, the larger one, IS very quiet
How do the flow through look under thermals? Suppressors as a whole build up quite a bit of heat without a cover but those flow thru cans really build some heat just because of how they vent. I would be curious if someone would shoot several mags through various suppressors with and without covers and look at them from say 50 yards out to 300 yards with a thermal device. Signature reduction matters to an extent but mitigating flash is one of the main objectives with suppressing 556 and with a few near peer adversaries like china and russia using thermals heavily I would want to reduce my thermal footprint and not have a thermal light at the end of my muzzle while still retaining the advantages of a suppressor.
I'm 21 cans deep. Direct thread 5.56 AB-raptor 6 and Rex MGX9 both pushing 130db on 12", I'm talking indoors, no ears, safe. Omega 300 sounds like azz without a break mount. Yes, these are full back pressure, but they live on host gassed and sprung correct.
I have an sig mcx spear lt 556… what silencer do I get, don’t feel like dealing with sig muzzle device issues would it be better to just go with sig suppressor?
CAT & CGS now by far no comparisons. The cobalt scrambler and the other DMLS cans made by CGS for companies. My new KAC PRT is good but not as effective as the CATs
@@lgdurocher depends what you’re looking for. Rc2 is super durable, can withstand very high temps and exposure to a lot of full auto usage. Has very good flash and sound suppression. But it is a gassy bitch. You’re gonna hate shooting it inside indoor ranges, if you’re a lefty or working shoulder transitions, or even if you’re outside you’ll still get a bunch of gas in your eyes when you shoot quickly which isn’t fun. Flow through is a big step forward and you can get cans now from brands like kac and cat which sound better than an rc2 tone wise and do a great job at eliminating that gas to the face. So imagine an rc2 but without that annoying eye burning toxic shit getting blown in your face every time you try to work a bill drill or some quick rapid fire.
@@jaydubs6354I totally agree flow through is the way forward but with my personal rifle, I have a small gas port, an A5H4 buffer, and a good charging handle. I hardly ever notice any gas in my face. I think with a properly setup rifle most of the cons of a baffle can are mitigated
If I may ask, I have a forward vertical grip on my AR. I don’t see you use them, is that an out dated technology? Are there cons to them that you have found? TIA.
I absolutely HATE the 51T mount on the m4-2000/416-sd. Especially now that they’re discontinued and won’t replace the latch that’s notorious for wearing out
Actually, the new AAC will replace service/replace latches (cost is around $100) and the way they do it, it’s no longer a blind pin, they drill all the way through, so you can replace it yourself later on should you need to.
@@forcesolutions4154 and that’s my point. It used to be FREE bc of the warranty and the fact they acknowledge it’s an issue. It would be different if they actually fixed it, but they continued to use the same shit steel on the replacements and newly mfg cans
@@Kypreparedness Yes, I get it. When old AAC was still around (before their owner f’d them), they did a latch repair for me, free repair and free shipping. I also had a can at AAC to get fixed when the bankruptcy happened and was lucky to eventually get it back (they didn’t fix it). The new company is of course a separate entity and not responsible for fixing the old company’s products. But at least we now have an option to fix the old cans for latch repairs. And the way they are doing them makes it so you install a new latch should you need to in the future, just drive out the pin. Or you can send them to Nick at ECCO machining to cut off the back and thread it for a hub mount. He also can usually do things like fix end cap strikes, recores, etc. Cans have come a long way since the mid 00’s, when AAC and Surefire were the only games in town, but a can is still pretty much a lifetime purchase, so consider that when buying.
You guys should check out the B&T SRBS line up. They have their own “flow through” tech, though they don’t like to call it that for some reason. They also use the standard 1-3/8x24 hub threading, so there’s several options for hub adapters. They’ve been introducing some awesome products in the American market recently.
They can’t call it “flow through” because that’s a SPECIFIC TYPE OF SILENCER DESIGN TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS CREATED, OWNED, AND TRADEMARKED BY Huxwrks That’s like saying, “there’s a company that has their own paper tissue technology, but for some reason they don’t call them “kleenex”?
They’re okay. Not as good as CAT silencers imo, in basically any category: they’re larger, heavier, louder, have more flash, have more blast wave propagation/more concussiveness/boominess, have a shittier QD system, have higher back pressure, are less durable, etc. I personally see no reason to buy any other silencer right now except for: - PTR Vent 1 (which is a .30 cal silencer that is incredible on .308 and .300BLK, but is also stupidly quiet on 5.56. Even quieter on 5.56 than the Vent 3 on 5.56, and the Vent 3 is a dedicated 5.56 silencer), - Hux 556ti (if you’re running a 10.3”-11.5” 5.56 semi auto rifle), -maybe the new Deadair Lazarus 6 if you don’t care about that weighing 18.6oz, since that is a lil quieter than the CAT WB, and about the same sound performance as the CAT AlleyCat 556. But I’d rather have an AlleyCat 556. So nevermind, forget the Lazarus. And uhhhhh. That’s about it. I don’t see a reason to buy any other silencer for 5.56 (and most of the other calibers) right now unless you don’t want to spend the money. CAT makes the current best 9mm submachine gun can, the MOB and AlleyCat 36. The current best overall 5.56 silencer, the AlleyCat 556, (the Hux 556Ti is potentially slightly quieter on very short barrels. But weighs 50% more as much and is an inch longer) They make the best .22LR silencer, the SR The best 9mm handgun silencer, the SC. They make one of the best .308 silencers. They make what is probably the best overall high flow 7.62x39 can when you factor in size and weight. All the other silencers right now that can *slightly* beat out the CAT 556 silencers only win buy a tiny, almost imperceptible margin, but weigh significantly more or are much longer.
@@cameronmills3414how are you possibly still waiting? Have you actually checked your emails from the ATF to see if you got approved? Like go check either your email for something from ATF, or go on your ATF e-forms account and see
@@pilotincommand85 haha thanks man. I like the gbrs guys but people should be more aware that they are not really the type of people you should seek consumer data and recommendations form. IMO gbrs should be more upfront about what products they pay full price for and what products are gifts or industry hookups at influencer rate prices lol. Just would be a good look I think I’ve always appreciated when the talking heads in the gun scene are open about who gave them what for free or massive discounts. Even if you claim non bias it is still a factor to consider as a viewer. As for their suppressor recommendations I jsur don’t like this type of content from gbrs. They are not really subject matter experts and I’m sure they’d agree with that. They are end users who for 2 decades used what ever was issued without much complaint or argument. Now that they’re on the other side they are getting more exposure to next gen technology and engineering and they are seeing some cool new things. But… their exposure to suppressors is: they were issued surefire kac and aac cans, and now they’ve been given demo units from huxwrx, kac, and cobalt maybe a couple others as well. That’s just a very limited window of exposure when there are so many suppressors out rn doing great new designs and manufacturing processes. I wish they’d refer their viewers to guys like pew science and nfa review. Guys whose whole purpose is to test and evaluate cans from all over the industry. They just can give a more in depth analysis because they’ve touched and shot so many different cans haha vs gbrs who basically all say the same thing “huxwrx is cool, kac is cool, we liked what we were issued but the blow back is a health concern and a problem in cqb”
They’re good for what they are. I like mine better than my rc2 mini. As far as k cans go they’re very good. If you want flow through then I’d recommend the cat wb. Performs great and quite a bit more affordable than the new kac and surefire cans. Huxwrx also good I just with it had better flash suppression when on short barrels. It’s too flashy on my 10.3 or 11.5 uppers at night imo. One of the big reasons I don’t own more hux products
It is a good mounting system. Not a big fan of q’s cans. They’re cool for hunting application they’re very light weight. But I do run the mounts on most my guns via rearden or a muzzle devices.
Omega 36M. A tank of a can AND its modular. Also to note, its not considered a LBP style can, but I have never had a problem with excess blowback with or without special charging handles and other kit to eliminate it. Love the hell out of mine
@@ScotchRanger945 what function do you get out of a can that can be used on a lot of different calibers yet performs poorly on most of these Calibers? Genuinely curious cause I don’t really get the mindset of “I’ll get one can that I can use on all my guns”. Look at it like tires if you buy a sports car you’re not gonna get the best performance out of the car if you have winter tires on it year round. Suppressors like tires are also disposable goods. Eventually your suppressor will fail and no longer be usable. Makes no sense imo to only buy one. If you only shoot 556 and 9mm you’re doing yourself no favor owning a .30 can just so you can shoot it on both pistol and rifles lol. Get a dedicated 556 can that performs well with the rifle configuration you use, and a 9mm can which is best suited to your handgun or Pcc etc
@@jaydubs6354 the assumption that I only have one can is very telling. And performs poorly? Okay dude. I have almost every component possible that the 36M can use in its modularity to include different sized endcaps with built in flash caps. No suppressor is going to knock down standard 5.56 down to hearing safe without earpro. Its just not possible. It helps sure but it's not the point. Its signature reduction and so you don't go deaf (like me due to gunfights inside homes) while shooting without a can. I got the can and it did everything i needed it to do. Its modular which is very cool because IF you could only choose one, it gives you options. Thanks for trying to educate me but to be blunt, I don't need it Mr. Tire guy
CGS SCI SiX has exceeded all expectations!
The RC2 is an absolute tank and doesn’t even get a mention…….
They werent using those at DEV tho.
Nope
Everyone knows the RC2 is a tank. There are lots of suppressors that are tanks.
@@armorers_wrench not like the rc2 tho
@@MK-dq3vuI’m surprised since socom gave them the contract
Time to see what the Army boys have fellas. You’ll throw those favorites out. 😉
Good point about the health implications of gas blowback.
@@JP-of8uq it’s absolutely a concern I think for gov agencies that can’t/wont tune their guns. But for a civilian who can tune their gun, not nearly as big an issue imo
@@lgdurocher the sheer volume of fire ion kill houses makes shooting hazardous to your health: “tuned” or not.
@@WDLC1911 fair, but then it’s also hazardous to your health suppressed or not.
Remember when he ran and recommended cgs cans? It’s whoever signs his pay checks now days is what he recommends.
The CGS cans they used were loud as fuck so maybe they used some good silencers after that and realized CGS ain't it.
They literally address this in the video. even a "bad" suppressor removes enough of the big BANG that its less discernable at distance. Its mostly about reducing muzzle flash signature
@Jason-id8nc they also have a huge ass fan base which affords them free gear, so options change with exposure to different things.
But yes most of them are literally getting large checks cut to name drop, can't say I blame them. Capitalism is a greedy whore and we all fund her.
@@Hoppes99Noise isn’t the main concern for cans
“I like the lockup on the AAC” literally one of the worst lockups/mechanisms ☠️
CGS SCI SIX … TREMENDOUS!!!
You’ll never see any GBRS dudes recommending the SCI SIX. 😂
@@andrews.8802ever
@@andrews.8802😂
@@andrews.8802CAT or Cobalt too. Notice they don’t shoot Cobalt rifles. It’s BCM now. CAT suppressors and the Cobalt Scrambler are made and licensed at CGS.
@@aaronfreedland5734WRONG. CAT silencers ARE NOT made by CGS. CGS also explicitly stated, when they first started the distributor partnership with CAT, that they DO NOT make them.
All they do is the FINISHING WORK on the silencers. Such as the SERIALIZATION AND MARKING of the silencers. CGS handles all of the markings relevant for the NFA/ATF rules, as well as handling the PROCESSING of warranty claims
The silencers are made at a large, US 3D printing manufacturing plant running hundreds of machines using laser powder bed fusion. They “rent time” on the machines the same way that Apple “rents” production time at TSMC in Taiwan
CAT’s original OEM was i3D, but now it is unknown who they are currently contracting
great point at the end..no one gonna stop and put on ear protection..be prepared for the bang lol
I have the a CGS SCI SIX and a 556 RC2 and I dont think i'll even want another can outside of these two. Theyre both absolute units of suppressors
RC2 has the best mount, sound to flash ratio. Moderate blowback. Built like a tank.
Rc2 all day
SCI SIX and CAT WB 718
Which one?
Wb is my preference of the two
@@AFGixxeR88WB outperforms the SCI
But either get an AC556 or a 2025 WB if you want max durability
Love my WB.
wb is in some ways an improved v2 sci six
Kac QDC is my all time favorite
Man, I’m still rocking the first and only one I’ve ever purchased but has done me good so far. A Sig 762Ti-QD. Predominantly on a 16” 308 & an 8.5” 300blk. It’s way overbuilt for the 300blk but takes the massive concussion of a short 308 to the point that it’s very pleasant to be around.
the interviewer and john lovell are the only 2 ive seen mention auditory exclusion. adrenaline redirects bloodflow for survival.
I'm not sure I understood why he brought it up. Was he saying that auditory exclusion mitigates hearing loss, or that it keeps you focused on other stimuli your brain perceives as more important?
He kind of threw the term out and moved on.
@@cfwfswimteam3619 I think the point may have been that during combat certain suppressors may not have been as quiet as they seemed
@@cfwfswimteam3619, Auditory Exclusion does **NOT** mitigate hearing loss.
@@cfwfswimteam3619 he was commenting to the fact that in the middle of a self defense situation in your house or on the street youre brain isnt going to notice that youre not wearing ear pro or running a cann youre just gonna shoot
DJ thanks for your information,Brother.
Damn good content! Thank you for your service.
*Don't like to eat carbon, zero tuning, and blowbacks? HUXWRKS 556K has entered the chat.*
Don’t like sound mitigation? Huxwrx has entered the chat
@@codyhill2507Mitigating sound on a supersonic round is futile
@@Neubtoob so what’s the point of it at all? It’s loud, it shoots sparks…makes no sense
@@RosaParksWasWyt To keep toxic gasses out of your face in close quarters.
Like to stick out like a huge, glowing, shoot me sign under nods and thermals...Hux
i have a couple of DeadAir Sandman S cans, they work good enough for me, especially on my .300 blackout. but my funnest...most fun....whatever, can is my FN Catch 22 Ti on a Sig P322 and shooting subsonic .22lr rounds. I put that together for my wife and daughter to learn to shoot cause they get freaked out by the noise of 9mm (no shame, they are trying to learn). turned out, this thing is so fun to shoot. it was quite popular at the local indoor range a couple weekends ago. had a few guys come over to check it out cause, to quote them, "it was hollywood quiet". let a couple of them give it a go, one was like "i dont wanna shoot all the ammo in your mag" and was like "bruh, its .22lr ammo, let it rip".
all that said, i have heard great things of the hux flow-through cans. now trying to decide if i can justify dropping $1300 + tax stamp on one...decisions...
I definitely remember letting a burst off with a saw in a concrete building that’s for sure 😂
Agreed, upper respiratory disease from service is a 100% Disability rating from the VA. Takes years to get all trace of lead out of the blood. Ask me how I know 😅
Rex MG7 with their 6-lug QD 👌
Of course he won't mention the CGS SCI-6. Gee I wonder why.😂😂
IYKYK.
Why what’s up with that I’m curious?
It made the decision that much easier to buy one😊
It's weird that you bring up drama between other grown men whom you have never met. Very strange that you'd be so invested in two grown men having a falling out in their friendship.
But either way, the CGS SCI-6 was poorly engineered from the get go. LOTS of people had issues with the suppressor coming loose from the flash hider. Do you know why? The mount used a taper but they coated the flash hider with some sort of pvd coating. There is no way to control the thickness/uniformity of those types of coatings so the end result was tons of people getting flash hiders that were out of tolerance. It would've only been barely out of specc but with a taper mount it has to be essentially perfect or you will not get the desired effect.
So, definitely not top 10 just due to the oversight made by their engineers. This is the reason why quite a few companies don't coat their muzzle devices and instead just send them through heat treat.
The SCI-6 isn’t a particularly great can though. Worse sound and flash suppression than the Flow 556k
@@bro26mohw Flow556k has average flash reduction and it’s sparky
Spectre Cat WB for the win.
lol no
@@TheNatestEverwhy not
@@TheNatestEverit actually performs well and scales to longer barrels as well.
It’s a very good can.
Good can but the PTR Vent 3 has got it by a little. My second choice though.
DJ check out the new PTR Vent 3 it is one of the quietest at the muzzle and for bystanders as tested by Pew Science. Plus it’s low back pressure technology and it’s Titanium Printed Foam! I just picked mine up from jail after only a two day hold!
Waiting on a Vent 2 for my SP5!
Check out the Dual-Lok system at griffin armament I have the .30 cal 👌🏼
CAT-WB & ODB, SCI-Six, HUXWRX 556k…
Soooo to the last bit about ear pro… your ears under adrenaline I believe start to block out noise when your ears expect it. For example hunting requires open ears to listen for those sneaky animals and you’re shooting a rifle caliber way larger than what cops and military use (outside of snipers and crew served) and nobody stops to put on ear pro. I can’t think of how many times I’ve shot my rifle and didn’t hear it because I was super focused on the deer and my ears didn’t hurt. I researched it. How is that possible. Then in the winter running a machine gun in the snow with 3M bs earplugs and it felt like someone stabbing me in the eardrums with a knife. Ears rang for what felt like weeks after that and I knew it was my hearing loss dying out slowly lol 🤷 thanks aunt Samantha
I respectfully disagree with this. You are damaging your hearing whether you are aware of it or not. It’s pretty uncommon to wear ear pro hunting in PA and most of the later aged hunters I know have significant hearing loss. Measurable to needing hearing aids. Always worse in their rifle shoulder side ear. We used to run bird dogs for years for Pheasants forever. Our dogs used to go mostly deaf by 9-10 years old. I always thought it was just age with them. I haven’t run dogs for about 15 years but I still prefer the breed. My dogs now are way into their 13+ years with no notice of significant hearing loss. That’s when I realized we were deafening them with the shotguns. They were out in front of us where the pressure waves are the worst. Reading about inner ear structure and talking to audiologists, I’ve come to really hate loud noise for no reason. You don’t realize you are getting a sunburn until it’s too late. Hearing is the same. Just because your pain threshold is moved due to adrenaline doesn’t mean your body puts up a shield on your ear drum.
@@SusquehannaValleyFirearmsLLC thanks for being a respectful person in disagreeing with me that lacks in these days - I’m not saying not to use it or that you don’t need it I fully acknowledge the hearing loss but I’m saying the military and cold conditions made it was worse and my cousins and I sat around one day asking each other like “bro, do you ever notice when you shoot the gun doesn’t hurt your ears but if I’m watching you shoot I have to plug my ears? Why is that” so I researched it and it is true that during a moment like this your primal instincts close off unnecessary sensory perceptions and whatnot like when officers get into OIS you never hear them complain unless their buddies fire next to their ears but we shoot a lot in the military and that’s when it started to suck. I’ve shot rifles being stupid without it and now I don’t even like shooting a .22 unsuppressed without ear pro… I’ve got hearing loss and tinnitus from the Marines lol I never had any issues hunting but now I will not go out without my electronic ear pro even to hunt. The only time I’ll use it without ear pro is if I have to for self defense. Can’t walk around town with peltors on and can’t tell someone “hold on let me put my ears in before you attack me” especially if it’s a bear and they don’t care what you have to say lol thanks for the conversation brotha God speed and peace be with you! Wear your ear pro! And get some for the pups! 🐶🤝
@@DrunkChristian03 ah, ok. I understand now. I may have misunderstood your position. Your explanation was very good. Yes I agree. Ear pro for sure. I’ve hunted with suppressed rifles for about ten years now and it’s been great. I can’t imagine going back. My kid is just starting and it will be suppressed rifles for sure. I completely understand the points made in the video about not being able to use ear pro during surprise situations and I couldn’t agree more. If I had to use a concealed weapon, I’m not going to value my hearing over my life or someone else’s at that point. But I certainly keep foamies all over the place for use with tools, guns, etc. I’m sorry to hear of your hearing loss also. It’s unfortunate for sure. No one valued that stuff years ago and now that they do it’s too late for many.
@@SusquehannaValleyFirearmsLLC I think the part in my comment about the cold was also that it may have been too cold to wear foamies like for whatever reason they didn’t expand all the way to seal my ear shut and that particular day it was a lot of fully auto machine gun firing and it just pounded my ears I was surprised they weren’t bleeding lol but both DJ and Cole have been put through way more than I have, I’m just jealous of all the guys rocking peltors and suppressors now but I think we need to address the toxins that DJ mentioned I really appreciate him for bringing that up. I’ll buy more flow through suppressors if I can. We get so caught up in the sound dampening and signature reduction but what about our health?
There is something called an “warned response”. It has nothing to do with adrenaline. Basically, tiny muscles in your face, ear, and inside the ear constrict the passageways that sound travels, as well as as providing a slight protective factor to the inner ear. It does does cause the inner ear to be slightly more protected and objectively react less severely to loud noises. So it is protective in that sense, but not very much.
The analysis is considered “Warned” when you know the noise is going to occur. For example, a “Warned” analysis is appropriate when you are analyzing hearing damage risk to the personnel firing the weapon. The inner ear muscles contract during a “Warned” response, lessening the severity of the event.
It’s PART of why unexpected loud noises sound louder than loud noises you expect. But with gunfire, you’re still damaging your hearing
If you get a chance you should check out the Silencer Co Velor LBP. It's Flow Through just like the Hux, it's also the most durable suppressor Silencer Co has ever made.
It’s not good at all. It’s extremely loud compared to the current crop of competitors
Have you tried the newer Dead Air Lazarus 6 can? I’m looking at buying that one.
I wish you’d be able to say.
“I really used to like the CGS suppressors ran them a lot but some personality issues have steered me away from using them anymore.”
My Earpro growing up was usually after a half case of clays or beer . By then my dad had a few cigarette butts he would make me stick in my ears. I wear double Earpro these days and shoot suppressed. Just more pleasant
Auditory occlusion is real!
It is, but when someone next to you shoots it’s loud as heck and makes you appreciate suppressors 😊
B&t no love?
@@DaveJackalope they’re surprisingly underrated by a lot of the gun influencers which is interesting because they have an insane catalog of suppressors and they make so many different models. B&t was also early on the flow through game
@@jaydubs6354 the srbs printed cans with SF qd is a no brainer
@@jaydubs6354I think they just haven't paid enough 'influencers' yet and been in the game in the US long enough for most people to Know about them yet. For the product you get, they are tremendously cheaper than comparable KAC/SF cans, which have the same military pedigree. B&T naming is a little confusing at first though. They're stuff is legit though and they have some cutting edge flow cans. And of course, SF mount compatible is huge.
B&T is def underrated
@@jf2024-b9r bummed I can’t find a compact print srbs in stock
no Surefire ? i love the RC2 mini can
@@relicfxbadyna5081 love my RC2. Want a mini really bad
It's not 2015 anymore dog.
I’ve left this comment under a larger comment thread in here, but I thought flow-through cans were having terrible issues with signature under night vision from too much gas being able to escape and igniting? I even saw a video demonstrating this and comparing RC2 to RC3 and HUXWRX. It was pretty bad.
100%. I shoot quite a bit under nods and the 2 Hux cans I've seen were extremely flashy. They also heated up super fast and stayed hot, glowing under nods and thermals excessively
The rc3 was good if your using Certain qd attachments that cause flash but only certain ones. The warcomp flash hider was good.
@@Talon1983 I mean it's subjective(my opinion at least)... But under nods the warcomp does worse off than essentially an upgraded A2 w/taper(forget which company it is) both suppressed and unsuppressed. It's once of the flashiest devices out there IMO.... Again both under nods= suppressed&un; also no nods=suppressed&un.
I really like my Rugged
As a hunter I have shot many pheasant, turkey and deer with no ear pro and never even noticed the shot.
Looking for a good suppressor test video? Try "Muzzle Flash Test of 25 Suppressors - SilencerCo, Dead Air, Huxwrx, AAC, KGM, Rugged, B&T, and More" by Silencer Syndicate. Those dudes are the go to when buying a shhh stick.
Im running the RC3 on my 556, 300 SPS on my 300 BLK.
KAC 👍🏼
Remember when oss cans were just really loud witchcraft? They really stuck with it
CGI helious is outstanding
My Sandman S has done me very good.
Surefire all day
Flow through supressors have large signatures at night
Still rocking my Aero Precision Lahar K
Surefire?
The rc2 was cool when it released in 2015. Nowadays cans half the price run circles around it. Times have changed technology is better and the RC3 is no bueno like overpriced hammered ass cheeks bad
@@thewonarmedbandit5615surefire still the king for signature reduction…QD system works but is trash with carbon lock…probably the worst I’ve seen. But i still don’t see too many that can compete on signature
Bro said the hux 556 flow is quiet!?!? 😂😂😂
I mean the VA did say hearing loss and tinnitus isn’t service connected
The 556 flow IS quiet. The 556k is not very quiet. But to the shooter in the free-field, the 556k is still very quiet at the ear. The 556, the larger one, IS very quiet
He's a seal. Of course he knows whats best.
I just got a flow 5.56 for my super duty and it’s very nice but I do like my B&T SRBS 7.62 Ti better that’s on my 300blk pdw
Love my hux556 flow
How do the flow through look under thermals? Suppressors as a whole build up quite a bit of heat without a cover but those flow thru cans really build some heat just because of how they vent. I would be curious if someone would shoot several mags through various suppressors with and without covers and look at them from say 50 yards out to 300 yards with a thermal device. Signature reduction matters to an extent but mitigating flash is one of the main objectives with suppressing 556 and with a few near peer adversaries like china and russia using thermals heavily I would want to reduce my thermal footprint and not have a thermal light at the end of my muzzle while still retaining the advantages of a suppressor.
"auditory exclusion" I have experienced this before.
What is that?
@@IkfNorCalChampyour ears block out noise. Happened to me a few months ago.
I'm 21 cans deep.
Direct thread 5.56 AB-raptor 6 and Rex MGX9 both pushing 130db on 12", I'm talking indoors, no ears, safe.
Omega 300 sounds like azz without a break mount.
Yes, these are full back pressure, but they live on host gassed and sprung correct.
Any thoughts on yankee hill?
SF Mini 2 is the one
CAT is the way to go
I have an sig mcx spear lt 556… what silencer do I get, don’t feel like dealing with sig muzzle device issues would it be better to just go with sig suppressor?
Do you think you guys could test out JK Armamentss 155 SBEX can.
CAT & CGS now by far no comparisons. The cobalt scrambler and the other DMLS cans made by CGS for companies. My new KAC PRT is good but not as effective as the CATs
SCI SiX really is the best.
When you guys are off deployment, who decides the training schedule? Team or higher ups?
Goobers group list for sure.
Respect 🫡🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
LOL. The lockup on the AAC was the BEST?!!! The worst lockup system EVER
Let’s talk about watches!!!
Sure fire RC2
There are trade offs for flow through technology… make sure you understand what you want
I have a 762 OSS HELIX. What is your favorite subsonic 300 blackout load?
Jaw dropped that surefire wasn't on top 😢
They didn’t use those at DEV but yea Surefire is my fav
Because there are a lot of better options. Rc2 is like 14 years old and the rc3 is decent but it didn’t really impress me compared to the new kac cans
@@jaydubs6354 it is old but I haven’t personally heard or seen anything that’s just insanely better in all metrics. It’s the Glock of suppressors.
@@lgdurocher depends what you’re looking for. Rc2 is super durable, can withstand very high temps and exposure to a lot of full auto usage. Has very good flash and sound suppression. But it is a gassy bitch. You’re gonna hate shooting it inside indoor ranges, if you’re a lefty or working shoulder transitions, or even if you’re outside you’ll still get a bunch of gas in your eyes when you shoot quickly which isn’t fun. Flow through is a big step forward and you can get cans now from brands like kac and cat which sound better than an rc2 tone wise and do a great job at eliminating that gas to the face. So imagine an rc2 but without that annoying eye burning toxic shit getting blown in your face every time you try to work a bill drill or some quick rapid fire.
@@jaydubs6354I totally agree flow through is the way forward but with my personal rifle, I have a small gas port, an A5H4 buffer, and a good charging handle. I hardly ever notice any gas in my face. I think with a properly setup rifle most of the cons of a baffle can are mitigated
If I may ask, I have a forward vertical grip on my AR. I don’t see you use them, is that an out dated technology? Are there cons to them that you have found? TIA.
Ase Utra and Silent Steel for me.
Ptr vent 3
Agreed 👍 the newest can technology and best can on the market!
One of the only ones with true innovation…more companies need to be pushing manufacturing to the limit like cgs ptr cat etc
I would like to see your take on Q suppressors. It would actually be pretty cool to see you guys collab with Q.
I absolutely HATE the 51T mount on the m4-2000/416-sd. Especially now that they’re discontinued and won’t replace the latch that’s notorious for wearing out
Actually, the new AAC will replace service/replace latches (cost is around $100) and the way they do it, it’s no longer a blind pin, they drill all the way through, so you can replace it yourself later on should you need to.
@@forcesolutions4154 and that’s my point. It used to be FREE bc of the warranty and the fact they acknowledge it’s an issue. It would be different if they actually fixed it, but they continued to use the same shit steel on the replacements and newly mfg cans
@@Kypreparedness Yes, I get it. When old AAC was still around (before their owner f’d them), they did a latch repair for me, free repair and free shipping. I also had a can at AAC to get fixed when the bankruptcy happened and was lucky to eventually get it back (they didn’t fix it). The new company is of course a separate entity and not responsible for fixing the old company’s products. But at least we now have an option to fix the old cans for latch repairs. And the way they are doing them makes it so you install a new latch should you need to in the future, just drive out the pin. Or you can send them to Nick at ECCO machining to cut off the back and thread it for a hub mount. He also can usually do things like fix end cap strikes, recores, etc. Cans have come a long way since the mid 00’s, when AAC and Surefire were the only games in town, but a can is still pretty much a lifetime purchase, so consider that when buying.
Again I can’t believe no mention of the rc2/mini.
The ringing goes away after a while sometimes
On a 14.5 ar do you think a suppressor is necessary for average civilian
Necessary for an average civilian, no. Serious civilian, possibly. Depends what you have or how much training you have.
Yes 1000% everyone should have a can if legally able
PTR Vent cans assuming they pass the “long run” test.
You guys should check out the B&T SRBS line up. They have their own “flow through” tech, though they don’t like to call it that for some reason. They also use the standard 1-3/8x24 hub threading, so there’s several options for hub adapters. They’ve been introducing some awesome products in the American market recently.
Been 4 months waiting on my srbs 762. Do you have it?
They can’t call it “flow through” because that’s a SPECIFIC TYPE OF SILENCER DESIGN TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS CREATED, OWNED, AND TRADEMARKED BY Huxwrks
That’s like saying, “there’s a company that has their own paper tissue technology, but for some reason they don’t call them “kleenex”?
They’re okay. Not as good as CAT silencers imo, in basically any category: they’re larger, heavier, louder, have more flash, have more blast wave propagation/more concussiveness/boominess, have a shittier QD system, have higher back pressure, are less durable, etc.
I personally see no reason to buy any other silencer right now except for:
- PTR Vent 1 (which is a .30 cal silencer that is incredible on .308 and .300BLK, but is also stupidly quiet on 5.56. Even quieter on 5.56 than the Vent 3 on 5.56, and the Vent 3 is a dedicated 5.56 silencer),
- Hux 556ti (if you’re running a 10.3”-11.5” 5.56 semi auto rifle),
-maybe the new Deadair Lazarus 6 if you don’t care about that weighing 18.6oz, since that is a lil quieter than the CAT WB, and about the same sound performance as the CAT AlleyCat 556. But I’d rather have an AlleyCat 556. So nevermind, forget the Lazarus.
And uhhhhh. That’s about it. I don’t see a reason to buy any other silencer for 5.56 (and most of the other calibers) right now unless you don’t want to spend the money.
CAT makes the current best 9mm submachine gun can, the MOB and AlleyCat 36. The current best overall 5.56 silencer, the AlleyCat 556, (the Hux 556Ti is potentially slightly quieter on very short barrels. But weighs 50% more as much and is an inch longer)
They make the best .22LR silencer, the SR
The best 9mm handgun silencer, the SC.
They make one of the best .308 silencers.
They make what is probably the best overall high flow 7.62x39 can when you factor in size and weight.
All the other silencers right now that can *slightly* beat out the CAT 556 silencers only win buy a tiny, almost imperceptible margin, but weigh significantly more or are much longer.
@@cameronmills3414how are you possibly still waiting? Have you actually checked your emails from the ATF to see if you got approved? Like go check either your email for something from ATF, or go on your ATF e-forms account and see
@@cameronmills3414btw, sorry to tell you, but it’s mid. You should sell it
Rc2 or b&t rotex 556 for the win. Atleast for me.
Huxwrx cans are good for 20-30k rounds and that’s it.
Huxwrx for the win....
Diligent defense
Highly advise looking at Griffin
Griffin is super underrated
@@pilotincommand85 yep
I have an MK1, saving pennies for a suppressed MK2 shorty
Love my recce 5. Want to get the dual lock tho.
I just shot my Recce 5k during a night shoot and it was a damn spark and flame thrower. Was very disappointed.
@@shanetate8754 something is not right. Call Griffin
Not sure if you guys respond to comments but what muzzle device would you pick if you couldn’t run a can? I’m in a ban state
Are you required to run a muzzle brake? If not, why not just run an A2 birdcage? It's actually an effective muzzle device.
Simple flash hider. I don’t really like muzzle brakes but they do work well if you can’t use flash hiders
@@armorers_wrench I can run any muzzle device just not suppressor
Take your freedom back. The constitution dead if we don't exercise our rights. Stop being a cuck
Surefire Warcomp
Surefire socom series, aem5, cgs sci-six
The Biden administration
@@MacDonaIdd 💯
"I say let's get rid of them, let's get rid of the Supressors" - Donald J Trump
The Obiden Administration and The Woke House 👎🏼
@@arighteousname5882he never said that my guy. Nice bait tho.
@@JesseJudah144I’m no Biden fan, so it suck to admit that it was actually the Supreme Court that ruled far reaching limitations on suppressors.
Are any of those cans he mentioned full auto cans. Seems like Surefire didn't pay for this Seal Team 6 advertisement video?
KAC cans are full auto rated
B&T cans are full auto rated rugged grade cans. Also make a flow can. Used by countless militaries for 30+ yrs.
Q cans?
What happened CGS SCI Six? 😂
what about ocm5, aem5, velos lpb?
They didn’t get given any for free so they don’t have an opinion on them 😂
@@jaydubs6354lmao well said
@@pilotincommand85 haha thanks man. I like the gbrs guys but people should be more aware that they are not really the type of people you should seek consumer data and recommendations form. IMO gbrs should be more upfront about what products they pay full price for and what products are gifts or industry hookups at influencer rate prices lol. Just would be a good look I think I’ve always appreciated when the talking heads in the gun scene are open about who gave them what for free or massive discounts. Even if you claim non bias it is still a factor to consider as a viewer.
As for their suppressor recommendations I jsur don’t like this type of content from gbrs. They are not really subject matter experts and I’m sure they’d agree with that. They are end users who for 2 decades used what ever was issued without much complaint or argument.
Now that they’re on the other side they are getting more exposure to next gen technology and engineering and they are seeing some cool new things. But… their exposure to suppressors is: they were issued surefire kac and aac cans, and now they’ve been given demo units from huxwrx, kac, and cobalt maybe a couple others as well. That’s just a very limited window of exposure when there are so many suppressors out rn doing great new designs and manufacturing processes. I wish they’d refer their viewers to guys like pew science and nfa review. Guys whose whole purpose is to test and evaluate cans from all over the industry. They just can give a more in depth analysis because they’ve touched and shot so many different cans haha vs gbrs who basically all say the same thing “huxwrx is cool, kac is cool, we liked what we were issued but the blow back is a health concern and a problem in cqb”
OCL Polonium K if you’re on a budget.
I have a Polo k. Nice suppressor but pretty gassy. Like, yeah, its gassy. Lol.
GOAT Poor Can is GOAT of the Poor Cans.
Not even just because of budget. It’s a freakin awesome can
not even a budget can. its just a good can lol definitely the best bang for your buck in the suppressor world
They’re good for what they are. I like mine better than my rc2 mini. As far as k cans go they’re very good. If you want flow through then I’d recommend the cat wb. Performs great and quite a bit more affordable than the new kac and surefire cans. Huxwrx also good I just with it had better flash suppression when on short barrels. It’s too flashy on my 10.3 or 11.5 uppers at night imo. One of the big reasons I don’t own more hux products
Surefire RC3, flow through.
Q my man. Muzzle devices are tapered, it can’t back off. But comes off easy when you’re ready.
It is a good mounting system. Not a big fan of q’s cans. They’re cool for hunting application they’re very light weight. But I do run the mounts on most my guns via rearden or a muzzle devices.
I put the Plan B Bravo Omega on my new Ptr Vent 3 for my Sugar Weasel it’s a thing of beauty you would have thought it came that way perfect fitment!
@@masx1116 that sounds sweet!
Thabk you for sharing DJ!!!! Really appreciate your insight! Go SEALs and VA!
RC2 >>>
Hux has the worst heat signature and flash signature. Flow through comes at a real cost!
Rc2?
Omega 36M. A tank of a can AND its modular. Also to note, its not considered a LBP style can, but I have never had a problem with excess blowback with or without special charging handles and other kit to eliminate it. Love the hell out of mine
@@ScotchRanger945 what function do you get out of a can that can be used on a lot of different calibers yet performs poorly on most of these Calibers? Genuinely curious cause I don’t really get the mindset of “I’ll get one can that I can use on all my guns”. Look at it like tires if you buy a sports car you’re not gonna get the best performance out of the car if you have winter tires on it year round. Suppressors like tires are also disposable goods. Eventually your suppressor will fail and no longer be usable. Makes no sense imo to only buy one. If you only shoot 556 and 9mm you’re doing yourself no favor owning a .30 can just so you can shoot it on both pistol and rifles lol. Get a dedicated 556 can that performs well with the rifle configuration you use, and a 9mm can which is best suited to your handgun or Pcc etc
@@jaydubs6354 the assumption that I only have one can is very telling. And performs poorly? Okay dude. I have almost every component possible that the 36M can use in its modularity to include different sized endcaps with built in flash caps. No suppressor is going to knock down standard 5.56 down to hearing safe without earpro. Its just not possible. It helps sure but it's not the point. Its signature reduction and so you don't go deaf (like me due to gunfights inside homes) while shooting without a can. I got the can and it did everything i needed it to do. Its modular which is very cool because IF you could only choose one, it gives you options. Thanks for trying to educate me but to be blunt, I don't need it Mr. Tire guy
@@ScotchRanger945 lol just an odd choice to waste money on one of the worst sico products in current production that’s all 😂
@@jaydubs6354 okay dude
@@jaydubs6354 It's less loud than my RC2 and has legit zero flash with a Velos style flash cap. I'm currently rocking it over both my NT4 and RC2.