Guys, this is the best thing you are doing in order to get to know your bikes very well...after this you are ready to hit the road and go around the world again! What a master you've got to teach you, great Robert!
You learn by doing. You two have reached a new level in motorcycling. The ability to work on your own bikes. It's really something seeing where you two are now compared to your first day on Bumblebee. Much respect!
I"m always jealous at people who can take an engine apart and put it back together. Robert is really a nice guy and learned you a lot about the engine. It is time to start the trip now, isn't it? So see you in the next video, happy and alive and start the adventure. 😜😜
Lavi i thought you might have calmed down a bit after long trip but no you’re just as crazy as ever don’t ever change love you both please be careful riding ❤❤
Personally guys, I wouldn’t go on a big trip when your motorcycle is knocking…… when you first picked up the bikes, they were not knocking if I’m remembering correctly. But Ollies bike then started knocking….. any knock is a course of concern….. Not all knocks are caused by mechanical clanking ….I watched the video of you guys taking it apart and putting it back together again but you didn’t check the spark plug timing. It only has to be out a slight degree to create pre detonation….. And the problem hasn’t existed too long to show any staining or damage on the piston or the cylinder bore…. if you go on your big tour with it knocking it’s going to let you down….. Also, I would like to think you guys would buy motorcycle recovery cover ….. Anyway, have a think about it before heading off
"but you didn’t check the spark plug timing." - can you explain that? Its EFI ignition so how do you check it unless you connect it to the computer? Or do you mean to take ignition from white bike and plug it into black one to check if it run without knock?
@johncranwell3783 spark plug timing or ignition timing is set on those bikes. The pulse is taken off the flywheel which is keyed to the crankshaft via woodruff key. The spark timing cannot be adjusted. Any advance or retard of spark timing is controlled within the cdi unit (ecu) itself and is preset by the factory
The good thing about having two identical machines is that you've got a complete set of spare parts available to help identify any faulty components. I'd suggest swapping the cam chain tensioners between the two bikes and seeing if the noise goes with it. Should only take 15 minutes...
So hard to tell from a video sound but something metal is definitely “hitting” something metal. A ‘slapping” chain would have been my first guess and it would be so easy to swap out the TC tensioner. Might work as expected out out of the bike but if the spring is stuffed, might not work properly under “load”. Good luck getting this sorted ASAP.
Like a mechanical who-dunnit. You had me on the edge of my seat. What is the knocking sound? Great set of videos. Robert the master and two eager apprentices
Hi Guys, fantastic video! Everyone should have a Robert. Great for you to learn the workings of your bike. That type of mechanics was almost a must do, right of passage, before riding when oi started. brilliant job! cheers Arthur
I can’t believe you guys rode your Vstrom a round the world with very little mechanical skills. That is a real testimony to Suzuki. I just realized, I need a vstrom. 👍👍
I would recommend checking the oil pressure / oil flow if possible, you may have poor oil flow to the top end or the big end bearings which would not necessarily show up with a bearing play test. The rattle could be oil starvation and the momentary loss of power could be the big end bearing trying to seize. Good luck with the trip, Jim
We're really looking forwad to your ride thru the countryside snd villages, and camping. The map looked pretty extensive. We will be following very closely. It is looking difficult we will be able to get to england this late summer, early fall. Good luck and great fun n your travels.
Well I'm glad you two and Robert fixed the power issue. The rattle is still there. Story: Whole different bike, but the Suzuki VS1000's have a clutch basket issue in their older bikes that causes a "chudder sound/knocking". That's a common issue with that VS1000 bike. The bike runs good, it just sounds bad. Surprisingly not all VS1000 bikes have the clutch basket issue. Luck of the draw. Excellent Cool 😎
When I first heard the noise I thought big end or cam chain , as a mechanic I have spent hours chasing noises only to find it is a very minor component, that's the frustration of the internal confusion engine.
Well you two have had a good grounding on bike repairing with Robert a top guy. It is a shame that the noise still persists after all that work and the replacement fuel system. Something like that would haunt me until I found out the cause. Strange the bike is running better even though the noise is still there. No matter, you have both remained positive throughout and that is your great strength together. You have visited Leicestershire several times now, as I have said before, when you are in the area let me know and your more than welcome to call on us. All the best for now until Sunday. John & Penny 'Old and Alive' 😊✌🏍
A lot of work stripping all the engine to find out its a fuel issue, at least you know the engine is good😂Its great experience also👍This actually reminds me of my first new bike back in the late 70's, me and my friend bought identical bikes (Kawasaki KE125's) and I ran mine in properly by keeping the revs down, while my friend did the opposite and just gunned it from the start😂My bike remained quiet but his sounded like a bag of bolts🤣This might be the noise issue😉I hope the fuel issue is fully sorted and you can get on with your adventures😁Robert is a top man👍
Remember Marc from Marc travels had a great Honda 650 Dominator, single cylinder that developed a rattle, he had so many mechanics looking at it from cam chains to cam tensioner and no one could sort it out😮
Great to see the bike is running better. But that knocking sound is still there, I thought it might be cam related but you have checked that. can you put Lavi's cam chain tension on Ollie's to see if that makes a difference to the knocking?
Well it took a lot of time and effort to find that loss of power issue but it was a worthy exercise I feel, especially for the learning experience! I would still be concerned about how much noisier the engine is compared to Lavi's one though. I hope you managed to sort that out and it hasn't given you any more grief?
Worst case scenario is main bearings. Considering the was stripped down this far, I would have spilt the cases to check. Early big end knocking is nigh on impossible to feel. So next strip, new camchain tensioner, bore hone, new piston, check and grind valves?
i think the knocking sound is cause by the tappet valves or rocker arm, or you need to find a new cylinder head, sometimes when you look at it, it seems no problem,
I was thinking about this today... as I watched the Tach on my bike while it was Idling after getting to work. I came to the conclusion, It cannot be a rod knock (Gudgeon pin or big end) and that also eliminates main bearings... it idles at twice the speed of a car engine, so the noise would be twice the frequency if it was one of these things. and that means it is something to do with the valve train, Camshaft bearing, Rocker bearings/pins, and what is between the rocker and the valve? is it a valve seat floating in and out of position? is the valve guide intact? it is definitely something between the head of the Valves, and the Camshaft... time to pull the head off again and strip the valves out! at that frequency, It is not bottom end, that can be eliminated, with the compression test being ok that means valve guides and seats are likely to be ruled out, but what about a broken spring? was that checked? if one is broken and binding or just clattering it could make noise, but also create valve float, & may also effect compression, but that's a MAY, not a definite. this takes me back to the rockers... and depends on how they are mounted, if they are shaft mounted, and have been lacking the oil they need they may have worn on the shaft, which would create a loose fit, but that may only be in one direction and not show up with a wiggle. or a rocker could be bent and going in and out of position on both the cam and the end of the valve... and I hate to say this, but swapping the head from one bike to the other to see if the noise swaps over with it, and then swapping other bits between heads, until you find the one part that makes the noise... Just like you would with spark plugs and leads/ coils until you find which coil or plug is faulty (if you don't have the equipment to test it without doing this) (and after the ad break where I stopped to write this, you start swapping parts)... I didn't even consider it was even fuel injected, I thought Carby... but yes.. that's a possibility, as is ignition timing, or even crank angle sensor & trying to inject fuel and send spark at the wrong time/
With runs good power then low power, might coil for spark plug. When they warm up can malfunction and loose power along with spark plug wire cracked can arc and loose power. Could use lavies and ride good distance. They can also be load tested. Good luck
That really is wrong, how people will sell u something, knowing it's not safe or broken, he would have known the timing chain was stuffed, good luck ur both so very upbeat and have great personalities. Love ur channel🇦🇺🤣👍
Thank you so much ❤️ I think the guys didn’t know that anything was wrong with the bike because he didn’t ride it in a very long time, I do believe him ☺️
It’s hard to tell from the video but it reminds me of an old yammy fizzy (FS1E) with the baffles taken out… I know yours is a four stroke but that rattley sound reminds me… or as other suggested, the cam chain tensioner…. Good luck, get breakdown cover !!!
This is one interesting video. I'm really curious now to see what the issue(s) is/are. Oh, what happened to Episode 5? It's not showing up in the list.
Yes it’s so exciting and frustrating to work on that engine 😅 please see if that link works: ua-cam.com/video/RU3uoz4JL2A/v-deo.htmlsi=m3xg6DofnoVLmAZT
To be honest any motorcycles small enough to be someone’s first bike ah abused and poorly maintained….. I bought my first British bike a 1967 BSA C15… it was about eight years old and I didn’t know what I was buying. It just seemed like a good idea to buy that little bike but of course it had been used abused and poorly repaired in the past….. so it wasn’t long before I had to take it down to the crankshaft replace all the bearings piston rings new valve seats and so on and then I had a great little bike that served me well…. It also put me on a very sharp curve of learning how to repair motorcycles which I have done all my life.
@@johncranwell3783 Hi well I stupidly paid over the odds then £85 from a motorcycle dealer who was a friend of my uncle who worked in Newcastle on Tyne. I foolishly thought from a so called friend it would sell me a good bike as I had absolutely what constituted a good or bad motorcycle. Well after that I just bought cheaply from friends of friends. One thing I more or less learned was caveat emptor from buying any bike on Newcastle’s bike Mecca the West road.
Brilliant to learn about bike maintenance and trouble shooting. After next service my own servicing will commence🫡. Fingers x the problem doesnt come back. Id def try E5 petrol might help a tad..maybe its placebo but think my Himalayan prefers it.
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Guys, this is the best thing you are doing in order to get to know your bikes very well...after this you are ready to hit the road and go around the world again! What a master you've got to teach you, great Robert!
🤪🤪🤪 Woohoo
Guys, new Camchain tensioner!!
Yep camchain tensioner
You learn by doing.
You two have reached a new level in motorcycling. The ability to work on your own bikes. It's really something seeing where you two are now compared to your first day on Bumblebee. Much respect!
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Have you checked the exhaust system. The internals of the exhaust could have broken loose causing back pressure.
That has to be the problem.
That would also explain the noise/rattle in the engine
Really great to have a good friend to help you both out, and leaning about how to fix it.!
Totally 🥳
I am impressed with Robert's collection of different hammers.
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I"m always jealous at people who can take an engine apart and put it back together. Robert is really a nice guy and learned you a lot about the engine. It is time to start the trip now, isn't it? So see you in the next video, happy and alive and start the adventure. 😜😜
Yes it’s so much fun learning about motorcycles and engines 🤩
Robert's a nice man and knows his way around a bike.
Totally 😍
Thank you robert great job helping , and its good learning on the bikes .........now lavi & Ollie have learn much ..............
Oh yes much much 🤣
This is going to help you so much. Lots of love, Sue ❤❤❤
Lot’s of love ❤️
Great test to find the real issue! And is always good to learn about the engines!
Totally agree 🤩
Camchain tensioner
Robert is a true friend. Fair winds
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Lavi i thought you might have calmed down a bit after long trip but no you’re just as crazy as ever don’t ever change love you both please be careful riding ❤❤
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A very good masterclass.
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I’d look for keyways in engine shafts. A small gap can do that same noise. Good job finding the injection issue
Thank you so much 🥳
What a team!!!
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Personally guys, I wouldn’t go on a big trip when your motorcycle is knocking…… when you first picked up the bikes, they were not knocking if I’m remembering correctly. But Ollies bike then started knocking….. any knock is a course of concern….. Not all knocks are caused by mechanical clanking ….I watched the video of you guys taking it apart and putting it back together again but you didn’t check the spark plug timing. It only has to be out a slight degree to create pre detonation….. And the problem hasn’t existed too long to show any staining or damage on the piston or the cylinder bore…. if you go on your big tour with it knocking it’s going to let you down…..
Also, I would like to think you guys would buy motorcycle recovery cover …..
Anyway, have a think about it before heading off
"but you didn’t check the spark plug timing." - can you explain that? Its EFI ignition so how do you check it unless you connect it to the computer? Or do you mean to take ignition from white bike and plug it into black one to check if it run without knock?
@johncranwell3783 spark plug timing or ignition timing is set on those bikes. The pulse is taken off the flywheel which is keyed to the crankshaft via woodruff key. The spark timing cannot be adjusted. Any advance or retard of spark timing is controlled within the cdi unit (ecu) itself and is preset by the factory
Did you change the timing chain tensioner ??
Exactly. Needs new camchain tensioner. A simple fix
The good thing about having two identical machines is that you've got a complete set of spare parts available to help identify any faulty components. I'd suggest swapping the cam chain tensioners between the two bikes and seeing if the noise goes with it. Should only take 15 minutes...
So hard to tell from a video sound but something metal is definitely “hitting” something metal. A ‘slapping” chain would have been my first guess and it would be so easy to swap out the TC tensioner. Might work as expected out out of the bike but if the spring is stuffed, might not work properly under “load”. Good luck getting this sorted ASAP.
Smelling the inside of the box when you opened it probably to days off the end of life 😂😂😂 I too love the smell of engine and mechanics garage 😅
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the man with the golden hands... wich I had someone in my neighbourhood to fix my bike...
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You getting some great mechanics experience! Love your videos!
Yes we’re so thankful for Rob’s help, he’s a real legend ❤️
Like a mechanical who-dunnit. You had me on the edge of my seat. What is the knocking sound? Great set of videos. Robert the master and two eager apprentices
🤣 what is wrong with this bike?!
He's a great mechanic
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Locating a problem can be a buggar! Ah well. You got it sorted cheers n beers guys Marty Qld Australia
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Hi Guys, fantastic video! Everyone should have a Robert. Great for you to learn the workings of your bike. That type of mechanics was almost a must do, right of passage, before riding when oi started. brilliant job! cheers Arthur
Thank you so much ❤️
I can’t believe you guys rode your Vstrom a round the world with very little mechanical skills. That is a real testimony to Suzuki. I just realized, I need a vstrom. 👍👍
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I would recommend checking the oil pressure / oil flow if possible, you may have poor oil flow to the top end or the big end bearings which would not necessarily show up with a bearing play test. The rattle could be oil starvation and the momentary loss of power could be the big end bearing trying to seize. Good luck with the trip, Jim
Thank you ☺️
Twist the grip, see the world. It may be ok so head out. Good vid. Lot of work, trial and error. Basically good.
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You guys look like "engine doctors" with your coats. 😂
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Everyone needs a handy Rob in their lives! 😀
I wonder what is causing the knock though?
Yes Rob is a real Angel 😇
We're really looking forwad to your ride thru the countryside snd villages, and camping. The map looked pretty extensive. We will be following very closely. It is looking difficult we will be able to get to england this late summer, early fall. Good luck and great fun n your travels.
Thank you so much ❤️
Well I'm glad you two and Robert fixed the power issue. The rattle is still there. Story: Whole different bike, but the Suzuki VS1000's have a clutch basket issue in their older bikes that causes a "chudder sound/knocking". That's a common issue with that VS1000 bike. The bike runs good, it just sounds bad. Surprisingly not all VS1000 bikes have the clutch basket issue. Luck of the draw. Excellent Cool 😎
Thank you ❤️
Don't you just love problems like this... all that work yet not running 100% how it should. Keep up the good work though guys ❤❤❤
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Great Job Robert. And Ollie Mind Robs Car
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When I first heard the noise I thought big end or cam chain , as a mechanic I have spent hours chasing noises only to find it is a very minor component, that's the frustration of the internal confusion engine.
Thumbs up for engine running good "
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Team effort whoop whoop 😂❤
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Well you two have had a good grounding on bike repairing with Robert a top guy. It is a shame that the noise still persists after all that work and the replacement fuel system. Something like that would haunt me until I found out the cause. Strange the bike is running better even though the noise is still there. No matter, you have both remained positive throughout and that is your great strength together. You have visited Leicestershire several times now, as I have said before, when you are in the area let me know and your more than welcome to call on us. All the best for now until Sunday. John & Penny 'Old and Alive' 😊✌🏍
Thank you so much guys ❤️
A lot of work stripping all the engine to find out its a fuel issue, at least you know the engine is good😂Its great experience also👍This actually reminds me of my first new bike back in the late 70's, me and my friend bought identical bikes (Kawasaki KE125's) and I ran mine in properly by keeping the revs down, while my friend did the opposite and just gunned it from the start😂My bike remained quiet but his sounded like a bag of bolts🤣This might be the noise issue😉I hope the fuel issue is fully sorted and you can get on with your adventures😁Robert is a top man👍
Haha yes it’s really crazy how different the same bike can sound 😅
CAMCHAIN TENSIONER! Change it. It might LOOK OK but it won't be.
Welp, you just lost China with that cup choice. ROFL!
Remember Marc from Marc travels had a great Honda 650 Dominator, single cylinder that developed a rattle, he had so many mechanics looking at it from cam chains to cam tensioner and no one could sort it out😮
It’s crazy 🤯
Great to see the bike is running better. But that knocking sound is still there, I thought it might be cam related but you have checked that. can you put Lavi's cam chain tension on Ollie's to see if that makes a difference to the knocking?
Well it took a lot of time and effort to find that loss of power issue but it was a worthy exercise I feel, especially for the learning experience!
I would still be concerned about how much noisier the engine is compared to Lavi's one though. I hope you managed to sort that out and it hasn't given you any more grief?
Next video is coming 😬
Boa viagem para vcs em todo Reino Unido 🎉👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Ensayo, error. Descarte. Bien. Muy entretenido. Gracias.
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Worst case scenario is main bearings. Considering the was stripped down this far, I would have spilt the cases to check. Early big end knocking is nigh on impossible to feel. So next strip, new camchain tensioner, bore hone, new piston, check and grind valves?
Have you left the old engine with Robert to actually get to the bottom of issue & remedy it so you then have a spare engine?
Yes we’ll keep it for spares 😊
i think the knocking sound is cause by the tappet valves or rocker arm, or you need to find a new cylinder head, sometimes when you look at it, it seems no problem,
I was thinking about this today... as I watched the Tach on my bike while it was Idling after getting to work. I came to the conclusion, It cannot be a rod knock (Gudgeon pin or big end) and that also eliminates main bearings... it idles at twice the speed of a car engine, so the noise would be twice the frequency if it was one of these things. and that means it is something to do with the valve train, Camshaft bearing, Rocker bearings/pins, and what is between the rocker and the valve? is it a valve seat floating in and out of position? is the valve guide intact? it is definitely something between the head of the Valves, and the Camshaft... time to pull the head off again and strip the valves out! at that frequency, It is not bottom end, that can be eliminated, with the compression test being ok that means valve guides and seats are likely to be ruled out, but what about a broken spring? was that checked? if one is broken and binding or just clattering it could make noise, but also create valve float, & may also effect compression, but that's a MAY, not a definite.
this takes me back to the rockers... and depends on how they are mounted, if they are shaft mounted, and have been lacking the oil they need they may have worn on the shaft, which would create a loose fit, but that may only be in one direction and not show up with a wiggle. or a rocker could be bent and going in and out of position on both the cam and the end of the valve...
and I hate to say this, but swapping the head from one bike to the other to see if the noise swaps over with it, and then swapping other bits between heads, until you find the one part that makes the noise... Just like you would with spark plugs and leads/ coils until you find which coil or plug is faulty (if you don't have the equipment to test it without doing this)
(and after the ad break where I stopped to write this, you start swapping parts)... I didn't even consider it was even fuel injected, I thought Carby... but yes.. that's a possibility, as is ignition timing, or even crank angle sensor & trying to inject fuel and send spark at the wrong time/
Scrap 'em!
With runs good power then low power, might coil for spark plug. When they warm up can malfunction and loose power along with spark plug wire cracked can arc and loose power. Could use lavies and ride good distance. They can also be load tested. Good luck
Thank you for the advice ☺️
Sounds like piston slap to me. You should check ring gap and bore/piston size to see if it’s in spec.
ua-cam.com/video/4CAihOHMH0Y/v-deo.html
You guys should just get yourselves some 350 REs those bikes are extremely durable and are built to go on crazy bad roads in India!
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Sounds like big end gone to me
That really is wrong, how people will sell u something, knowing it's not safe or broken, he would have known the timing chain was stuffed, good luck ur both so very upbeat and have great personalities. Love ur channel🇦🇺🤣👍
Thank you so much ❤️ I think the guys didn’t know that anything was wrong with the bike because he didn’t ride it in a very long time, I do believe him ☺️
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Back together noise haha
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yay
The cam chain tensioner or cam chain guides
It’s hard to tell from the video but it reminds me of an old yammy fizzy (FS1E) with the baffles taken out… I know yours is a four stroke but that rattley sound reminds me… or as other suggested, the cam chain tensioner…. Good luck, get breakdown cover !!!
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Get a manual cam chain tensioner!!
running lean adjust the mixture,air screw.
Maybe try some fuel system cleaner in the tank.
I have had this a few times, engine sounds horrible but there is nothing apparent on strip down and reassembly .
This is one interesting video. I'm really curious now to see what the issue(s) is/are.
Oh, what happened to Episode 5? It's not showing up in the list.
Yes it’s so exciting and frustrating to work on that engine 😅 please see if that link works: ua-cam.com/video/RU3uoz4JL2A/v-deo.htmlsi=m3xg6DofnoVLmAZT
@@LaviandOllie yes, that link works. It's just that the ep isn't showing up under the list for Season 7.
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Ok 👏🎉👍 super 😄🌹☕
Camchain tensioner !
Hello sounds like conrod bearing or piston pin to me
So it wasn't the fork seals. Good deal.
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If at first you dont succeed, try a bigger hammer.
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Have you checked the valves and valve seats
So other than the injector, oil filter and gaskets replaced, was anything else was replaced?
The timing chain 😊
Speak to Joe at The Wurks, he will find the issue
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Woohoo 🥳
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maybe a real motorcycle shop is the next option!!
Hope they are better than my first bike back in the 60’s which was a BSA C15 a dreadful bike I’m afraid
To be honest any motorcycles small enough to be someone’s first bike ah abused and poorly maintained….. I bought my first British bike a 1967 BSA C15… it was about eight years old and I didn’t know what I was buying. It just seemed like a good idea to buy that little bike but of course it had been used abused and poorly repaired in the past….. so it wasn’t long before I had to take it down to the crankshaft replace all the bearings piston rings new valve seats and so on and then I had a great little bike that served me well…. It also put me on a very sharp curve of learning how to repair motorcycles which I have done all my life.
@@johncranwell3783 Hi well I stupidly paid over the odds then £85 from a motorcycle dealer who was a friend of my uncle who worked in Newcastle on Tyne. I foolishly thought from a so called friend it would sell me a good bike as I had absolutely what constituted a good or bad motorcycle. Well after that I just bought cheaply from friends of friends. One thing I more or less learned was caveat emptor from buying any bike on Newcastle’s bike Mecca the West road.
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Muffler??
you by your self a lemon yea
Brilliant to learn about bike maintenance and trouble shooting.
After next service my own servicing will commence🫡.
Fingers x the problem doesnt come back. Id def try E5 petrol might help a tad..maybe its placebo but think my Himalayan prefers it.
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