Thank you Alex for this very informative video. It really helped me make my choice. And I agree with you that the internet can sometimes be a unfriendly place. Some people just seem to forget that there is an actual person with feelings on the receiving end.
Lol, one per game, max :) And absolutely, incredibly excited for this one. No Geralt has me sad...but hey, you can't make everyone happy. Now let me head on over to the comments to complain about Geralt ;)
Currently 7th highest funded KS board game: 1) Frosthaven 2) Kingdom Death Monster 1.5 3) Exploding Kittens 4) The Witcher: Old World 5) The 7th Continent 6) Nemesis Lockdown 7) Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon Edit: Editing this based on project's current standing (Jun 11, 3 pm EST)
My view on the drams as a Witcher fan who has read all of the short stories, the book series, played the games, watched the show etc.: from a lore perspective, everything they've added with female characters is totally lore appropriate. If they had added female Witchers besides Ciri, I would have been really upset, but they made everyone happy. Mages are very much like mercenaries and follow coin, very similar to Witchers but a different path to get there. They don't form a more cohesive structure until much later in the timeline. Regarding Ciri, the third game establishes she travels across space and time. There is even suggestion at the end of the game she traveled to Night City in the Cyberpunk universe. Going back in time is definitely something established.
A great video and a very informative one. I love how you break everything down. Go On Board said that the neoprene play mat is going to be 20% bigger the the base board. They said that the play mat will accommodate the skellige expansion, the mage expansion, and the bigger monster cards and more room for the monsters to roam. As always, stay safe and happy gaming.
Thank you for your insight. Helped with my decision to cancel my pledge with this one. 230e for a game that I'm not 100% sure I'd enjoy is just too high.
Too bad, I have to agree with this. I already changed my pledge from deluxe to €1 for pm access. I'll sleep on it, but tomorrow night I'll probably cancel my pledge too.
I love Runebound. Owned the second edition. The creator mentions Runebound as a love of his as well. I have watched all the playthrough videos including yours with Quack and still love the gameplay! The card building and the minis. For me it's a all-in pledge.
The lack of info on the coop/solo mode is definitely concerning to me, along with the fact it seems incompatible with all the other expansions. It feels like an afterthought and they don’t seem to be talking about it at all.
Really helpful video. You did a great job of analyzing the value proposition of the various pledge levels vs. retail, as well as the KS exclusive stuff. Thanks!
Question for you regarding the decision points in the adventure cards. What makes a decision feel impactful rather than just randomly choosing an option and hoping for the best? Is there context for the player to make a somewhat informed decision and to have a general idea of what repercussions a decision will have?
Sometimes it will feel random, but as I played I got more of a sense of things. To give one example, there was one round where I knew that next round I wanted to fight a monster, so I wanted to be prepared. And I was given a choice of "you hear a ruckus outside, do you help or get a good night's rest". I figured rest might let me draw cards to prepare for next round....and sure enough, I walked into the fight with 2 extra cards based on an instinctive response. The other choice likely would have lost me a shield, but given me a reward...another time I'd want that...not before a monster fight.
Really? In all honesty, I haven't really seen much toxic comments going on in the KS section. There's usually broadstroking, strawman arguments, labelling and name calling but most of the comments seem to be people giving feedback to devs since that's what they're reading.
Thanks for the very helpful video, as always. I'm definitely getting at least the base pledge. Now I need to decide whether to upgrade that into a Deluxe pledge for more table presence, or buy the legendary monster add-on for gameplay..
Drats, I missed-out on this one. Looks great, especially for the price. Maybe sometime in the future, if fortune shines it's face my way. Drats again!!
My fears have been sufficiently ass waged... aswáged? This video is compelling enough to make me want the 'All-In' even though dollar for dollar it isn't as favorable as the other tiers. Super informative video. Instant Subscribe.
I am very happy how they did this campain. So everybody can build the game how they like. It makes the world open and living. And for the people who are not pleased, destroy the card that is not truthful to your law but let others have fun with the card or charakter. So you are happy and the others are happy, too. Both goals reached and you have also an unique witcher game. ;)
Thanks for the video. I was originally planning to only get the standard edition, but once the pledge manager is open, I might grab a few more add-ons.
Sounds a bit like the 5/5 for just the core was a bit premature. If you can (and IMO need to) add this much to the core game after the fact it can't really be 5/5. These add-ons fix issues with the core (and IMO should therefor be part of the core). Edit: Talking about the core game like it'll be in retail, not the core pledge. Retail seems to be pretty much what you tested.
Yeah they just put out the full all in haha 😂 to me it looks good for the most part, clearly some filler stretch goals here and there and the skellige expansion seems a little thin for what it is. Apart from that though I’m mostly happy. Very much looking forward to painting those minis!
After watching the 2nd season of Witcher I remembered this game and found out it's still possible to get it in PM, as I backed it for $1 and I went All-In. I hope I won't regret it. :-D
The new pledge includes all add-ons - metal coins, new dice, neopren playmat - as well as everything else game-related (deluxe box, miniatures, all four expansions). The playmat will accommodate for the Skellige expansion. The pledge is at €280 pr about $340 at current exchange rates. This doesn’t include shipping, of course.
They also announced the all-out pledge which contains both all-in pledges, a bust of Geralt, a copy of every Witcher book, a vial of Witcher serum, and a hug. This pledge level also has the scavenger hunt instructions to find the kickstarter for the 'true ending' pledge which contains a live goblin.
You could make the argument that Ciri used her powers to travel back in time to this point in time when she disappeared at the end of Lady of the Lake, or that she traveled here somewhere after that point before the Witcher 3.
I got two all in pledges with all the extras this is my first kickstarted and I’m pumped they will add additional content to some of the underwhelming expansions but it’s going to work out in the end
Currently sitting at deluxe pledge level, the extra expansions look interesting but can definitely wait for retail for those. The one included in the pledge are must-have pretty much (especially monster trail). Also not a big fan of that all-in KS exclusive.
Companies should really stop offering free 24/48hr minis. It creates toxicity in discussions about the campaign and preys on people's FOMO. Feels bad when you don't keep up with every single Kickstarter campaign but still want to go all-in when you do discover it. Just feels bad all around!
I think there are solutions for female Witchers. Basically using specific Witcher schools, which is technically canon? Details: + Witcher School of Cat rumored to have female recruits/students. + Making a another 1 or 2 new Witcher Schools specifically for Female Witchers. For examples: - School of Siren. Mysterious Witcher School with possible female witchers.Excellent in aard signs & covert operations as bards. - School of Spider. Mysterious Witcher School with with possible female witchers. Excellent with traps & also use a multiple short javelin as secondary weapon. This are just on top of my head & the devs can totally do something better with it.
You are right that a lot of people are forgetting about the IP licensing cut. CDPR is providing a lot of staff to this project (see near bottom of the page), mostly artists and story, but this project has A LOT more staff involved than most projects. This is a big production, and with big productions comes more wages, which means it costs more. A lot of people don't seem to understand this. The game is being produced in 15 languages. This is a huge game campaign. When this finally comes out, anyone trying to sell this will easily get their money back. As the TV show gets bigger, this will become a hotter property. When a new Witcher game gets released, this will just become an even more desired acquisition. Easy back.
I keep going back and forth between the standard and deluxe pledge. I think the minis would really bling out the game, but on the other hand they don't move or anything. The $70ish dollars is a pretty big jump in my opinion. Not saying it's not fair, but it's hard for me to justify because it's only cosmetic. Normally I would go all in...these expansions though are kind of a bummer in my eyes. If I get one it might be the legendary hunt at retail, but then again would it bother me if I didn't have minis for all the other monsters?
Just do the deluxe pletch if you feel like giving a tip to the creators, sort of like a patreon. If you don't feel like doing so, then go for the standard, is going to be more than enough to play the game ;)
I'm thinking I pledge deluxe and then eventually upgrade to deluxe + legendary hunt + neoprene + metal coins save myself probably $100 by avoiding other expansions / dice.
Wouldn't it make much more sense to get the base/deluxe pledge here, and then pick up the expansions in retail? Those are what's dragging down the value of the all-in pledges.
I can't say that I agree with some of the points you make here. I personally don't see myself enjoying this game from the many gameplays I've watched so I've went from a day 1 back at deluxe, to core, to 1 Euro to out. I also cannot support 3 exclusive minis only available at the all in pledge either, you should be able to pick what you want and not be held to FOMO ransom at the highest tier with items you don't want. You have actually argued against that in previous videos, so I'm surprised you are so positive on it here. At the end of the day, I just look at this and say, maybe the core game because those extra miniatures are way too much per piece, but the gameplay doesn't grab me. I generally like either deluxe or all ins, and I look at this game and say, "Is this worth well over $200 plus shipping for deluxe, and well over $400 plus the shipping for all in?(in my currency, not Euros) And in the end I say it's clearly not for me, it just has an IP that I'm fond of, and if it was for me I'd be at the core pledge and call that more than enough.
Do the wild hunt miniatures come with just the base pledge? Thus the base pledge will have 6 witcher miniatures, Ciri, the horse, plus the wild hunt miniatures; all other miniatures are part of the deluxe or expansions?
Theres a lot of content at the base pledge but I do feel as though the Deluxe Edition flair is necessary ha so that's where I sit. There is a lot of compatibility mess when it comes to the add on boxes. Considering that and the high cost of the expansions I've decided to stay away from them myself.
Interesting review of the value, concur with your findings for this one. I would even dare say for the base pledge with no minis at 70 Euro with reduce shipping for each additional game that it may be worth those willing to risk it investing in an additional copy to flip or have excellent trade value. I am currently in at All In for this campaign myself though I will say this is purely due to the FOMO of the ALL in kickstarter exclusives otherwise I would have recommended most wait for most of the expansion material at retail. Still a bit disappointed they chose that last 3 mini for all in only versus giving it as bonuses for those who got said expansions but I understand the marketing behind it and interesting enough for those who want raise value of KS exclusive since there will be significantly less people going all in they are technically more rare mini expansion.
Two card rows is not bad. There are a ton of games that do that successfully. If the minis are good quality (like, KDM level) then 2euros/mini is a steal, if they are more like Awakened Realms, it is still a decent price, but could be better. Don't ever look at the prices for Games Workshop or other miniature game minis 😳
Been following this since the beginning. Totally agree with your assessment in the end. I'm going for the All-In (not the newest All-in with playmat, etc.) which is honestly not the smartest move. I am super disappointed that the Deluxe does not have 1 or 2 more things added to it that became add-ins. They've sold enough of this game where the miniature molds are not an issue in price anymore. To have only miniatures be the Deluxe content is a tough pill for me to swallow to buy a game centered around one of my favorite IPs. I was REALLY hoping the deluxe coins and even the new dice (revealed today) would have been in the Deluxe as the campaign moved along. I'm honestly super surprised they didn't include the coins in the Deluxe unless they are super high quality. Grievances aside, I'm hoping the expansions get tweaked (especially Skellige) to add a little bit more to the game and just hoping to have fun with this when it comes to the table in a year+. Thanks Alex for all of your constant updates from before the Kickstarter, to I'm sure after! Edit - Also, great comment about the IP being owned by someone else. We have no idea how much of a percentage they will be taking in the end. This also should always be thought of with the total cost.
I'm late to the party on this. Are all the stretch goals and stuff going to be available in retail then besides things specifically marked as Kickstart exclusive? So will you get 95% of the content with retail deluxe edition and retail expansions?
As someone who has commented in the comment section of the Witcher a couple of times (2 times politely asking if GOB could release more information on the Wild Hunt as it is completely opaque as to what this will actually do.... last time saying that if they can't give an update in 24 hours, I'm afraid I'll have to downgrade my pledge -> trying to be as civilised as possible) I also helped some people out with their questions. All comments I got back were nice & civilised - though some shared my disappointment in not getting any info on the Wild Hunt. But a very helpful person said: don't cancel your pledge, lower it to $1 - then you keep the access to the pledge manager. Which I've followed. I found it actually better than I expected. My point is - I think a LOT were civilised in there... it's just some that are 🙄🤮- but if you scroll a lot, you'll see a lot of bile... which makes you maybe think that there is more of that there than there is.
The price of the expension on CMON are similar but the huge difference is they are usually ks exclusive and you know you willl scoop back your money if you want to sell it. The expension in witcher are going to retail and you will loose money of go even if you are lucky. Pers. only Deluxe is a ok back. Nothing else.
For a game that is confirmed to go into retail and with the very little KS exclusives on offer.. I feel like there is a consideration that you overlooked besides the online price being 70-85% of MSRP. That is for the adult audience here (or in fact anyone that generates their own hard-earned cash to buy BGs), there is a lot of value to hold onto your own cash for 1-2 years and then to buy the game in retail with the unlimited potential of discounts and supply since they confirmed retail and the low amount of KS exclusives to miss out on. Especially in difficult times of the pandemic or simply the fact that you'll be locked into 1-2 years of opportunity cost subject to that pledge amount. For that reason, I feel the purpose of this video was really to express your appreciation of the game and your intent to support at this campaign stage. No right or wrong but it's just an observation. I personally really wanted to back the game play all in pledge but pulled out the campaign entirely because I genuinely do not feel the sincerity that other campaigns and developers brought to the KS scene in comparison to GoB.
You can feel that way, but I guarantee you that between the price and the exclusives, this is the best deal you will have for the content, at every single pledge level. Now if you don't care about those extras, then it's a different conversation. But if you want the things in the bundles, then they are the best prices to get them. Period.
Alex!, if you could only chose the miniatures for this game or VSS Vanguard, which would it be and why? I want both! But $140 for both is expensive!!! I'm wondering which game feels more complete with all miniatures. Also, it sounds like to get the deluxe minis from the witcher one must buy the deluxe version, even later at retail. But the extra miniatures for VSS Vanguard can be bought later separately (oh no forgot about the stretch goals, not sure SG miniatures will be in the retail version)... I told myself I'd get the miniatures for Robinson crusoe and VSS Vanguard and stop buying expensive games with miniatures, then the witcher came out! 😄😄😅🤔🤔
Another reason for high price point might be (I don't known, though) it being made in Poland rather than China. Often European companies will make their games in Europe and it costs more than having it made in China, but I don't know if that's the case here, but it could be when comparing the price point to CMON
Any thoughts on the final All-In? Seems like another easy cash grab for them. The new dice sets they added look more like Assassin's Creed Animus dice than Witcher ones... I really liked the upgraded Stretch Goal versions they had for the two sets in the base game. Also, no Toss a Coin to your Witcher acapella at the end?
@@BoardGameCo I actually prefer the SG dice more than the add-on ones. The playmat seems to be worth it as it combines the expansion maps on it as well. So definitely 1/3 for me, not sure about the coins yet.
Really great vid as usual! I need to close my pledge but I would like to know your opinion on which of the three add on expansions would be a must have playwise? Yes I need to pick only one for now ;)
@BoardGameCo Just jumped straight to the "Should You Back it?" section because i don't care about that game anyways. The only thing I currently look at is "Robot Quest Arena". But here the price is insanely high for what one gets. 7x painted minis 40mm 7x player boards 1x game board 250x cards 22x game tiles 117x acrylic gems = $89 + $12 shipping + EU VAT Valor & Villainy Deluxe 10x mini 30mm 10x Standees 9x Double layered player boards 33x map tiles 160x small cards (spell / treasure) 56x bigger minion cards 142 cardboard tokens 18x engraved dice 1x 40mm metal token 1x gametrays insert = 59$ + $14 shipping I guess the painted minis make it so much more expensive. Still for EU it will be over $100 which is quite a lot for such a small and simple game. Try to convince me to either back or not back it.
On your comments about value, I would guess that there is a massive videogamer fan in the customer numbers and they will pay whatever for this game (especially if this is one of their few boardgame purchases) - the number of backers for Deluxe and All-In seem to say they are having no problem selling those pledges.
God I want this game but it's so expensive... Not that I can't afford it but I've already fully backed both Primal and MHW this year... Alex, do you really think this will get enough table time to justify the price?
Other than value, there's the availability of the expansions at retail that is in question. Even if you can save $35 by buying them at retail (instead of the all-in pledge), you may not be able to get them all from the same place, especially if you don't buy them as soon as the stores receive them. Is it worth the risk if you consider the extra value of the KS all-in exclusive extras? I ran into this problem with my Marvel United pledge where I didn't get Sinister Six, thinking I'd grab it at retail, since it wasn't KS exclusive. I could have saved some money but it quickly sold out and now I had to order it at a premium in the new Marvel X-Men kickstarter.
Will solo have any depth to it? I'm really considering canceling if there's no solo. I was looking for an interactive story with character building with a ton of lore and loot. Starting to think this ain't it.
Of course not. I don't have to be under an NDA to respect the fact that they are choosing not to post rules and so I will of course not try to undermine that decision.
Regarding female Witcher’s, typically when you use a licensed IP, you are heavily restricted in what you can and cannot do. Everything requires approval by the license holder and deviations that are not true to the IP are likely to be rejected. So even if they wanted to include more female Witcher’s, they may not actually be able to.
Alex, I'm sorry to say that if you do not remember the outcome of the event that you just choose 1-2 hours ago then you might have some memory issue or at least a span of attention issue :D. I still remember the result of the quest from fallout and aftermath that I made months ago :p
Hi Alex, I really enjoy your videos. Just a thing, the deluxe could have sense also because the minis won't be sold in retail. I post the FAQ of the campaign. I ordered the Standard version. I want to buy the monster miniatures separately in the future. Is that possible? Miniatures will be available only as a part of the Deluxe version, and they will not be sold as a separate product. I don't know if the deluxe will be available in retail (maybe yes).
Thanks for the video Alex! Completely agree with you, went for the base + legendary hunt, unfortunately I'm a bit low on budget but I'm sure I got an amazing deal
I know this might be a dumb question but I'm kind of new to kickstarter, does anyone know if the prices will be the same in the pledge manager or will they be more expensive? So could I just pledge 1 euro now to unlock the pledge manager and later pledge 125 euros for the deluxe version?
Thanks for the review. Can’t find any info (too much to go through) on the scale of the minis. Hard to tell from the art work if they are 25, 28 or 32mm. Do you know? I appreciate the monsters are larger but I’m wondering if they will be like FFG Descent Journeys in the Dark 2nd Ed. The heroes in that game were awful to paint - so tiny!
I also don't like the argument thay because it's an IP the consumer has to pay for it. There are plenty of moves, books, video games that are based on other IP and are not more expensive. Them having to pay more money to get the license is not a consumer issue so the cost should not be passed to the consumer.
Honestly I'm not really sure how to reply there... Of course it's a consumer issue in the same way that the price of plastic, the cost of art, the cost of anything related to a game is a consumer issue. Of course the consumer doesn't have to buy it, but all those things contribute to costs that help the company determine the price. The IP is a cost that they have to pay just like any other, and as such it likely will factor into the price.
@@BoardGameCo I simply compare it to other mediums. Harry potter was licensed out for money to the film industry. Ticket prices remained the same. Batman was licensed to the video game industry and those video games are the same prices as others. SO why does the witcher IP have to inflate the price of a board game.
@@seansmith2650 How many people do you think buy movie tickets vs board games exactly? And movies are an entirely different genre. Using your logic, if we applied movies to board games, all board games, regardless of what they are, should cost the same. No Thanks should be the same price as Eclipse correct?
@@BoardGameCo I do not think they should be the same price. I was simply showing how in other entertainment mediums IP cost does not get passed to the consumer. I also mentioned the video game industry which is very analogous to board games in terms of pricing to an extent. And they also do no pass the price of buying an IP to the consumer. We are paying for the IP by buying the game. If the Witcher had a different name this Kickstart wouldn't get half of this funding. So we should not have to overpay for expansions.
KS comment sections are so much saltier since lagerlurgy.. some people still expecting it to be on the (estimate) delivery date., because somehow they take that as a "promise" even though the factories were shutdown or aren't at full power and with the ongoing shipping issues
I believe your analysis of the higher pledge levels is flawed. While they might be a good back as compared to retail, I think that buying the core pledge and then getting the extras in retail (inc the monsters) would probably be superior.
Why people keep backing stuff without a rulebook just doesn't make any sense to me. Just give me a damn rulebook! :( I rather read an unfinished rulebook similar to Endless Winter than no rulebook at all.
I'm not sure the game will hold its value with time. I hope it will for all the people who backed it but I'm sceptical on that point. I'm not backing it for a lot of reasons (seems too casual, fiddly, other games I want to back this year) but I fear that their success is due to the fact that it is a licenced game with a great IP : not sure they would have reached that goal with a purely new artistic creation.
You get all miniatures for the included wild hunt expansion. You get the Witcher minis including Ciri. You get the Kickstarter exclusive lost horse mini. You don't get the mounted Eredin unless you pay the €8 add-on price, you don't get the 15 base game monster minis, or the 13 stretch goal monster minis, or the closed tavern upgrade mini. Essentially you miss out on 29 minis vs getting the deluxe box, plus a few upgraded plastic scoring tokens. The base game will have cardboard tokens instead.
@@InsightHM Oh nice! I didnt know the base game came with the miniatures for the Wild Hunt too! That's actually really cool. I can actually see myself pretty happy with just that. The miniatures for the normal monsters don't really excite me, nor do I think I would have any more or less fun with them on the board. Mainly it's just that horse and ciri I think would be fun to have =P And the wild hunt makes for a nice little bonus! Thank you for your help in clarifying! I feel like the KS page could have done a bit of a better job sorting out what all each pledge level would including.
9 hours after you posted, with the polish-funds, $8,012k USD! All without a rulebook! Still on the fence here! May just go with the Standard Pledge then up to Deluxe in the PM… love that it’s a light game that plays quick…
Perhaps the reason why the comment section is uncivilized is because the IP drew many people to KS that have never backed a board game before? We never see this type of behavior in a CMON campaign for example
Online people like to complain more and in my opinion the creator invited some of them by screwing up at different times (no rule book, first reviews without monster trail, the increasing price, ...). Of course this does not justify some of the strong complains, but it was what drove me away from this KS. To me it looks more like a kickstarter not like a game (more focus on numbers and talking than a clear designe concept)
@@BoardGameCo maybe they moderated most of them :D. In any case, if it attracts lot's of people there's bound to be lot's of people that complaints harshly :D
It's one heck of a fun party game, one of the best I say, comparable to codenames. Of course some tends to things that party game is not a game at all :)
The oatmeal, the artist that did the game, has a huge following. It wasn't the first or the last time we saw an online comic crossover into a board game... Although it was the largest.
Yes, also Alex is just looking at funds. In terms of Backers this game cannot hold a candle to Exploding Kittens and its 200K backers. I wish there was a better way of gauging most succesful KS that looks at BOTH the number of backers and the actual amount raised.
@@relativelyboard9959 yep, two different approaches. For myself I consider the money raised to be more a sign of success but I can hear the argument either way. Convincing people to part with $100 is harder than convincing them to part with 20... That's why I consider the total funding to be a better indicator of success.
one of the few times where i'd say the deluxe is hurting your margins unless their aftermarket plans fall through. 125 euro in msrp bonuses + 3 exclusives and engraved dice for 70 euro is going to sell well before it hits retail in full. everything will sell before it hits retail. After retail, you're likely taking a bath on everything but the base pledge.
I can't imagine you would....even at the low end, the prices line up with the lowest I would expect to see in retail until they move to sales or whatnot, and even then the 3 monster minis will easily sell for more than enough to offset.
@@BoardGameCo having seen some of the market for cmon figures, the price are both high, but they also don't flip for a very very long time if they aren't fresh. I definitely wouldn't want to be signing up to lose 20%+shipping per expansion outside the base and then trying to recoup that on 3 figures selling in the aftermarket unless I was flipping very early.
@@82ndmi oh if you mean for profit then I agree. I'm saying if you're interested in the stuff personally, I believe your best bet is the campaign. Your options later are likely paying more at retail, or trying to hunt down the second-hand market and hoping you can get a good deal on the exclusive stuff while you add it. But I agree the high-level pledges you're probably not making much.
Unless you know a local store that will pledging for some I think so. If you want the experience with the hunt expansion as soon as possible because otherwise you will need to wait a couple weeks to months. Companies usually want to complete fulfillment before accepting more orders.
This is how a FOMO and a known franchise (video game and a TV series) can pump up a mid or a bit worse game to the sky. 300 EUR for a game that is so blunt and simple, even if it contains a couple miniatures and cards, dice. I definitely will not back this and will spend this money on 5-10 separate board games. If you buy it as an investment can be a good one but as for a gamer it is a meh.
Im a bit mad at the KS whining crew on this one. Whining for KS exclusives screwed a lot of the value out. Before you could get a deluxe pledge and then just wait for retail on the expansions and addons. Now to get everything you have to buy all in.
@@BoardGameCo Depends on how you look at it. Im using the FOMO collector mindset of how do I get it all. Since the only way to get the special monsters is an "All In" pledge you can no longer count on retail discounts and have to take it as it is in the package. On the addon side they sort of did it again between the gameplay all in and the everything all in. They priced the mat so that you may as well get all those other addons too. I dont hold that against them though since its a good tactic on a cosmetic upgrade. In a perfect world Id just be buying the Deluxe pledge with some metal coins (always get the coins). Now it looks like Im all in.
I really dislike your agreement that people would be more polite in person that is not true those people would be just as aggressive if they meet them in real life but in there world they are most likely surrounded by like minded people so don't have to. That is why at protest and rallies that have counter-protests things get violent so quick. The person you are online is you or them.
I hear and understand your point...but I think you're referring to the fringes. The vast majority would have a hard time being equally rude/dismissive in person.
Thank you Alex for this very informative video. It really helped me make my choice.
And I agree with you that the internet can sometimes be a unfriendly place. Some people just seem to forget that there is an actual person with feelings on the receiving end.
Glad I could help :)
I really hoped for a song :)
But for real - thank you for another video on our game, and wow that was a deep analysis!
Lol, one per game, max :)
And absolutely, incredibly excited for this one. No Geralt has me sad...but hey, you can't make everyone happy. Now let me head on over to the comments to complain about Geralt ;)
Currently 7th highest funded KS board game:
1) Frosthaven
2) Kingdom Death Monster 1.5
3) Exploding Kittens
4) The Witcher: Old World
5) The 7th Continent
6) Nemesis Lockdown
7) Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon
Edit: Editing this based on project's current standing (Jun 11, 3 pm EST)
Thanks, I may have forgotten lockdown.
8.2 million funded just now, that ciri stretch goal may pushed it significantly.
@@stevenmuliadi1184 8.2? That can't be right. $5.12M Euro which is $6.24M USD.
@@ScytheNoire ah my bad. Accidentaly change the currency to SGD
@@BoardGameCo combine kickstarter and zagramw.to it is almost 8,5mln.
Appreciate the detailed walkthrough, analysis, and information.
Glad you enjoyed :-)
My view on the drams as a Witcher fan who has read all of the short stories, the book series, played the games, watched the show etc.: from a lore perspective, everything they've added with female characters is totally lore appropriate. If they had added female Witchers besides Ciri, I would have been really upset, but they made everyone happy. Mages are very much like mercenaries and follow coin, very similar to Witchers but a different path to get there. They don't form a more cohesive structure until much later in the timeline. Regarding Ciri, the third game establishes she travels across space and time. There is even suggestion at the end of the game she traveled to Night City in the Cyberpunk universe. Going back in time is definitely something established.
A great video and a very informative one. I love how you break everything down. Go On Board said that the neoprene play mat is going to be 20% bigger the the base board. They said that the play mat will accommodate the skellige expansion, the mage expansion, and the bigger monster cards and more room for the monsters to roam. As always, stay safe and happy gaming.
Oh man...that does tempt me.
Thank you for your insight. Helped with my decision to cancel my pledge with this one. 230e for a game that I'm not 100% sure I'd enjoy is just too high.
Too bad, I have to agree with this. I already changed my pledge from deluxe to €1 for pm access. I'll sleep on it, but tomorrow night I'll probably cancel my pledge too.
looks like a $1 million worth of new pledges offset you cancelling yours since this video came out.
@@foodini666 I’m glad to see them doing great! Hope this game brings lots in new people to the hobby.
I love Runebound. Owned the second edition. The creator mentions Runebound as a love of his as well. I have watched all the playthrough videos including yours with Quack and still love the gameplay! The card building and the minis. For me it's a all-in pledge.
Same here, I loved the game, it was a simpler more accessible version of Runebound :)
The lack of info on the coop/solo mode is definitely concerning to me, along with the fact it seems incompatible with all the other expansions. It feels like an afterthought and they don’t seem to be talking about it at all.
Where do they say it only works partial. I do a bunch of solo so may drop down to a minimal pledge to hedge my bets if its bad
Yes, it is, after all, competitive game by nature. In such games solo and co-op modes are never that good.
Really helpful video. You did a great job of analyzing the value proposition of the various pledge levels vs. retail, as well as the KS exclusive stuff. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful :)
Thank you for this! I know it was a lot of work covering just one KS campaign, but this was very helpful!
Glad you found it useful :)
Question for you regarding the decision points in the adventure cards.
What makes a decision feel impactful rather than just randomly choosing an option and hoping for the best? Is there context for the player to make a somewhat informed decision and to have a general idea of what repercussions a decision will have?
Sometimes it will feel random, but as I played I got more of a sense of things. To give one example, there was one round where I knew that next round I wanted to fight a monster, so I wanted to be prepared. And I was given a choice of "you hear a ruckus outside, do you help or get a good night's rest". I figured rest might let me draw cards to prepare for next round....and sure enough, I walked into the fight with 2 extra cards based on an instinctive response. The other choice likely would have lost me a shield, but given me a reward...another time I'd want that...not before a monster fight.
@@BoardGameCo That sounds awesome and I can always pull out the ones I feel are to random 👀👀
Thanks!
Thank you for your balanced reviews and for keeping things friendly. It's been quite awful to read some of the comments on KS.
Appreciate it...and ya, wretched hive of scum and villainy and all that :)
Really? In all honesty, I haven't really seen much toxic comments going on in the KS section. There's usually broadstroking, strawman arguments, labelling and name calling but most of the comments seem to be people giving feedback to devs since that's what they're reading.
I'm going to miss you saying "the witcher erld werld" :-)
Hey I can talk about this game for a while don't worry
Thanks for the very helpful video, as always. I'm definitely getting at least the base pledge. Now I need to decide whether to upgrade that into a Deluxe pledge for more table presence, or buy the legendary monster add-on for gameplay..
You do get some minis with the base pledge from the Wild Hunt Expansion and its stretch goals.
True, a handful but not the monsters.
You did a great job with your videos about this KS campaign, Alex! thnx a lot, just awesome!!
Thanks :)
Yeah I just did the all in-all all in pledge. Looks amazing.
I was on the fence about just waiting for retail. You're breakdown helped me decide so thanks.
Glad I could help :)
You now need to do a video regarding the All in everything pledge. Please.
I can't do another one sorry :(
Drats, I missed-out on this one.
Looks great, especially for the price.
Maybe sometime in the future, if fortune shines it's face my way.
Drats again!!
My fears have been sufficiently ass waged... aswáged? This video is compelling enough to make me want the 'All-In' even though dollar for dollar it isn't as favorable as the other tiers. Super informative video. Instant Subscribe.
I am very happy how they did this campain. So everybody can build the game how they like. It makes the world open and living. And for the people who are not pleased, destroy the card that is not truthful to your law but let others have fun with the card or charakter. So you are happy and the others are happy, too. Both goals reached and you have also an unique witcher game. ;)
Completely agree.
Agreed! You could even house rule the parts you disagree with.
Thanks for the video. I was originally planning to only get the standard edition, but once the pledge manager is open, I might grab a few more add-ons.
I think base plus legendary hunt is a solid choice for those who don't want to go all in.
@@BoardGameCo That's exactly what I was thinking!
Sounds a bit like the 5/5 for just the core was a bit premature. If you can (and IMO need to) add this much to the core game after the fact it can't really be 5/5. These add-ons fix issues with the core (and IMO should therefor be part of the core).
Edit: Talking about the core game like it'll be in retail, not the core pledge. Retail seems to be pretty much what you tested.
Yeah they just put out the full all in haha 😂 to me it looks good for the most part, clearly some filler stretch goals here and there and the skellige expansion seems a little thin for what it is. Apart from that though I’m mostly happy. Very much looking forward to painting those minis!
Yep, same :)
Absolutely. Almost worth it just for the minis as a painter
After watching the 2nd season of Witcher I remembered this game and found out it's still possible to get it in PM, as I backed it for $1 and I went All-In. I hope I won't regret it. :-D
As always, thank you for much for this awesome info Alex.
Glad you're enjoying :)
They did announced that they will add another all-in pledge. Just saying XD
Of course they did...
The new pledge includes all add-ons - metal coins, new dice, neopren playmat - as well as everything else game-related (deluxe box, miniatures, all four expansions). The playmat will accommodate for the Skellige expansion. The pledge is at €280 pr about $340 at current exchange rates. This doesn’t include shipping, of course.
@@zhivik looks like they are also planning a wash for the minis in the pledge manager per their comments in the main thread.
They also announced the all-out pledge which contains both all-in pledges, a bust of Geralt, a copy of every Witcher book, a vial of Witcher serum, and a hug. This pledge level also has the scavenger hunt instructions to find the kickstarter for the 'true ending' pledge which contains a live goblin.
@@zhivik is that expensive? Seems like most board games all-in pledges are above $300 these days SMH... not including shipping :(
You could make the argument that Ciri used her powers to travel back in time to this point in time when she disappeared at the end of Lady of the Lake, or that she traveled here somewhere after that point before the Witcher 3.
Bravo Alex. Really nicely summed up! Cheers
Thanks :)
I got two all in pledges with all the extras this is my first kickstarted and I’m pumped they will add additional content to some of the underwhelming expansions but it’s going to work out in the end
Wow, two is ambitious :)
@@BoardGameCo yeah I also just backed the highest package of rainbow six it ends in 6 days!
Currently sitting at deluxe pledge level, the extra expansions look interesting but can definitely wait for retail for those. The one included in the pledge are must-have pretty much (especially monster trail).
Also not a big fan of that all-in KS exclusive.
Yeah I think the base pledge is an easy back. Going all in more requires that you want that stuff.
Companies should really stop offering free 24/48hr minis. It creates toxicity in discussions about the campaign and preys on people's FOMO. Feels bad when you don't keep up with every single Kickstarter campaign but still want to go all-in when you do discover it. Just feels bad all around!
I did a video on this...there's a reason they do it. Sadly it works....KS and social norms incentivizes it.
I think there are solutions for female Witchers. Basically using specific Witcher schools, which is technically canon? Details:
+ Witcher School of Cat rumored to have female recruits/students.
+ Making a another 1 or 2 new Witcher Schools specifically for Female Witchers. For examples:
- School of Siren. Mysterious Witcher School with possible female witchers.Excellent in aard signs & covert operations as bards.
- School of Spider. Mysterious Witcher School with with possible female witchers. Excellent with traps & also use a multiple short javelin as secondary weapon.
This are just on top of my head & the devs can totally do something better with it.
I read all the book, play all the videogame plus expansion... I think all in is the answers
For me it is, there's enough things I know I want.
You are right that a lot of people are forgetting about the IP licensing cut. CDPR is providing a lot of staff to this project (see near bottom of the page), mostly artists and story, but this project has A LOT more staff involved than most projects. This is a big production, and with big productions comes more wages, which means it costs more. A lot of people don't seem to understand this. The game is being produced in 15 languages. This is a huge game campaign. When this finally comes out, anyone trying to sell this will easily get their money back. As the TV show gets bigger, this will become a hotter property. When a new Witcher game gets released, this will just become an even more desired acquisition. Easy back.
Absolutely agreed on all counts.
I keep going back and forth between the standard and deluxe pledge. I think the minis would really bling out the game, but on the other hand they don't move or anything. The $70ish dollars is a pretty big jump in my opinion. Not saying it's not fair, but it's hard for me to justify because it's only cosmetic. Normally I would go all in...these expansions though are kind of a bummer in my eyes. If I get one it might be the legendary hunt at retail, but then again would it bother me if I didn't have minis for all the other monsters?
Just do the deluxe pletch if you feel like giving a tip to the creators, sort of like a patreon. If you don't feel like doing so, then go for the standard, is going to be more than enough to play the game ;)
I'm thinking I pledge deluxe and then eventually upgrade to deluxe + legendary hunt + neoprene + metal coins save myself probably $100 by avoiding other expansions / dice.
Thank you for all the review videos Alex. I think I'll skip this KS and wait for retail and also real world gamer reviews from more players.
Thank you so much for this thorough explanation.
Glad you enjoyed :)
Wouldn't it make much more sense to get the base/deluxe pledge here, and then pick up the expansions in retail? Those are what's dragging down the value of the all-in pledges.
Not that much unfortunately, your savings would be cancelled out by the all in deal and the exlusives you get.
I can't say that I agree with some of the points you make here. I personally don't see myself enjoying this game from the many gameplays I've watched so I've went from a day 1 back at deluxe, to core, to 1 Euro to out. I also cannot support 3 exclusive minis only available at the all in pledge either, you should be able to pick what you want and not be held to FOMO ransom at the highest tier with items you don't want. You have actually argued against that in previous videos, so I'm surprised you are so positive on it here. At the end of the day, I just look at this and say, maybe the core game because those extra miniatures are way too much per piece, but the gameplay doesn't grab me. I generally like either deluxe or all ins, and I look at this game and say, "Is this worth well over $200 plus shipping for deluxe, and well over $400 plus the shipping for all in?(in my currency, not Euros) And in the end I say it's clearly not for me, it just has an IP that I'm fond of, and if it was for me I'd be at the core pledge and call that more than enough.
Do the wild hunt miniatures come with just the base pledge? Thus the base pledge will have 6 witcher miniatures, Ciri, the horse, plus the wild hunt miniatures; all other miniatures are part of the deluxe or expansions?
Yes :)
Theres a lot of content at the base pledge but I do feel as though the Deluxe Edition flair is necessary ha so that's where I sit. There is a lot of compatibility mess when it comes to the add on boxes. Considering that and the high cost of the expansions I've decided to stay away from them myself.
Interesting review of the value, concur with your findings for this one. I would even dare say for the base pledge with no minis at 70 Euro with reduce shipping for each additional game that it may be worth those willing to risk it investing in an additional copy to flip or have excellent trade value.
I am currently in at All In for this campaign myself though I will say this is purely due to the FOMO of the ALL in kickstarter exclusives otherwise I would have recommended most wait for most of the expansion material at retail. Still a bit disappointed they chose that last 3 mini for all in only versus giving it as bonuses for those who got said expansions but I understand the marketing behind it and interesting enough for those who want raise value of KS exclusive since there will be significantly less people going all in they are technically more rare mini expansion.
That's true as well. And ya, my all in is FOMO based. If I had self control I would go for deluxe + Legendary hunt.
Two card rows is not bad. There are a ton of games that do that successfully. If the minis are good quality (like, KDM level) then 2euros/mini is a steal, if they are more like Awakened Realms, it is still a decent price, but could be better. Don't ever look at the prices for Games Workshop or other miniature game minis 😳
It's not the worst, but I'm not confident that it adds enough to be worth it.
After the pledge manager this will be a 10M$ campaign
Been following this since the beginning. Totally agree with your assessment in the end. I'm going for the All-In (not the newest All-in with playmat, etc.) which is honestly not the smartest move. I am super disappointed that the Deluxe does not have 1 or 2 more things added to it that became add-ins. They've sold enough of this game where the miniature molds are not an issue in price anymore. To have only miniatures be the Deluxe content is a tough pill for me to swallow to buy a game centered around one of my favorite IPs. I was REALLY hoping the deluxe coins and even the new dice (revealed today) would have been in the Deluxe as the campaign moved along. I'm honestly super surprised they didn't include the coins in the Deluxe unless they are super high quality. Grievances aside, I'm hoping the expansions get tweaked (especially Skellige) to add a little bit more to the game and just hoping to have fun with this when it comes to the table in a year+. Thanks Alex for all of your constant updates from before the Kickstarter, to I'm sure after!
Edit - Also, great comment about the IP being owned by someone else. We have no idea how much of a percentage they will be taking in the end. This also should always be thought of with the total cost.
Thanks Alex, a great video as always.
Appreciated Tim :)
I'm late to the party on this. Are all the stretch goals and stuff going to be available in retail then besides things specifically marked as Kickstart exclusive? So will you get 95% of the content with retail deluxe edition and retail expansions?
As someone who has commented in the comment section of the Witcher a couple of times (2 times politely asking if GOB could release more information on the Wild Hunt as it is completely opaque as to what this will actually do.... last time saying that if they can't give an update in 24 hours, I'm afraid I'll have to downgrade my pledge -> trying to be as civilised as possible) I also helped some people out with their questions. All comments I got back were nice & civilised - though some shared my disappointment in not getting any info on the Wild Hunt. But a very helpful person said: don't cancel your pledge, lower it to $1 - then you keep the access to the pledge manager. Which I've followed. I found it actually better than I expected.
My point is - I think a LOT were civilised in there... it's just some that are 🙄🤮- but if you scroll a lot, you'll see a lot of bile... which makes you maybe think that there is more of that there than there is.
I'm still unclear what the MSRP is for the base game. All they have listed is the pledge amount. I'd like to have an estimate for the in-store price.
I loved Bloodborne's KS, they were pretty fair for the massive amount of models your received.
The price of the expension on CMON are similar but the huge difference is they are usually ks exclusive and you know you willl scoop back your money if you want to sell it. The expension in witcher are going to retail and you will loose money of go even if you are lucky. Pers. only Deluxe is a ok back. Nothing else.
For a game that is confirmed to go into retail and with the very little KS exclusives on offer.. I feel like there is a consideration that you overlooked besides the online price being 70-85% of MSRP.
That is for the adult audience here (or in fact anyone that generates their own hard-earned cash to buy BGs), there is a lot of value to hold onto your own cash for 1-2 years and then to buy the game in retail with the unlimited potential of discounts and supply since they confirmed retail and the low amount of KS exclusives to miss out on. Especially in difficult times of the pandemic or simply the fact that you'll be locked into 1-2 years of opportunity cost subject to that pledge amount.
For that reason, I feel the purpose of this video was really to express your appreciation of the game and your intent to support at this campaign stage. No right or wrong but it's just an observation.
I personally really wanted to back the game play all in pledge but pulled out the campaign entirely because I genuinely do not feel the sincerity that other campaigns and developers brought to the KS scene in comparison to GoB.
You can feel that way, but I guarantee you that between the price and the exclusives, this is the best deal you will have for the content, at every single pledge level.
Now if you don't care about those extras, then it's a different conversation. But if you want the things in the bundles, then they are the best prices to get them. Period.
amazing video as always. Lot of good point.
Thanks :)
So what do you think of the playmat? A must?
Playmats are never a must for me...that's the one thing I'm still not sure I'm getting.
Alex!, if you could only chose the miniatures for this game or VSS Vanguard, which would it be and why?
I want both! But $140 for both is expensive!!! I'm wondering which game feels more complete with all miniatures. Also, it sounds like to get the deluxe minis from the witcher one must buy the deluxe version, even later at retail. But the extra miniatures for VSS Vanguard can be bought later separately (oh no forgot about the stretch goals, not sure SG miniatures will be in the retail version)...
I told myself I'd get the miniatures for Robinson crusoe and VSS Vanguard and stop buying expensive games with miniatures, then the witcher came out! 😄😄😅🤔🤔
This one. No question. Monsters are such a key part of this world.
Another reason for high price point might be (I don't known, though) it being made in Poland rather than China. Often European companies will make their games in Europe and it costs more than having it made in China, but I don't know if that's the case here, but it could be when comparing the price point to CMON
I totally agree about the comments section in the KS. People will complain about anything in a very unpolite way.
Sadly so. I rarely go into there anymore due to it. Like kids at kindergarden in mentality.
Any thoughts on the final All-In? Seems like another easy cash grab for them. The new dice sets they added look more like Assassin's Creed Animus dice than Witcher ones... I really liked the upgraded Stretch Goal versions they had for the two sets in the base game.
Also, no Toss a Coin to your Witcher acapella at the end?
Ya dice I was meh on. But the all in at a 15 euro discount is pretty solid...I'd jump on that if you're interested in any 2 of the 3.
@@BoardGameCo I actually prefer the SG dice more than the add-on ones. The playmat seems to be worth it as it combines the expansion maps on it as well. So definitely 1/3 for me, not sure about the coins yet.
Really great vid as usual! I need to close my pledge but I would like to know your opinion on which of the three add on expansions would be a must have playwise? Yes I need to pick only one for now ;)
I would choose the legendary hunt over the others.
@BoardGameCo
Just jumped straight to the "Should You Back it?" section because i don't care about that game anyways.
The only thing I currently look at is "Robot Quest Arena".
But here the price is insanely high for what one gets.
7x painted minis 40mm
7x player boards
1x game board
250x cards
22x game tiles
117x acrylic gems
= $89 + $12 shipping + EU VAT
Valor & Villainy Deluxe
10x mini 30mm
10x Standees
9x Double layered player boards
33x map tiles
160x small cards (spell / treasure)
56x bigger minion cards
142 cardboard tokens
18x engraved dice
1x 40mm metal token
1x gametrays insert
= 59$ + $14 shipping
I guess the painted minis make it so much more expensive.
Still for EU it will be over $100 which is quite a lot for such a small and simple game.
Try to convince me to either back or not back it.
Robot arena I'm more in the fence about, I covered it already, I think it's decently priced but not amazingly priced.
On your comments about value, I would guess that there is a massive videogamer fan in the customer numbers and they will pay whatever for this game (especially if this is one of their few boardgame purchases) - the number of backers for Deluxe and All-In seem to say they are having no problem selling those pledges.
Absolutely.
Good video, but of course they introduced the new All-in today as you predicted.
Lol, it's my curse. As soon as I put out update videos the information becomes updated the next day.
God I want this game but it's so expensive... Not that I can't afford it but I've already fully backed both Primal and MHW this year... Alex, do you really think this will get enough table time to justify the price?
Yes :) For me at least...this is a one shot...if it were a campaign I'd be less sure :)
Many thanks for your analysis and thoughts regarding this game.
The all in pledges for this game do not contain enough content compared to other kickstarters at this price point.
Other than value, there's the availability of the expansions at retail that is in question. Even if you can save $35 by buying them at retail (instead of the all-in pledge), you may not be able to get them all from the same place, especially if you don't buy them as soon as the stores receive them. Is it worth the risk if you consider the extra value of the KS all-in exclusive extras? I ran into this problem with my Marvel United pledge where I didn't get Sinister Six, thinking I'd grab it at retail, since it wasn't KS exclusive. I could have saved some money but it quickly sold out and now I had to order it at a premium in the new Marvel X-Men kickstarter.
Will solo have any depth to it?
I'm really considering canceling if there's no solo. I was looking for an interactive story with character building with a ton of lore and loot.
Starting to think this ain't it.
Hey Alex if you're not under NDA, could you post the rulebook you played with?
Of course not. I don't have to be under an NDA to respect the fact that they are choosing not to post rules and so I will of course not try to undermine that decision.
@@BoardGameCo Ok, was just curious :)
This game is making my wallet tremble in fear
As it should :)
Regarding female Witcher’s, typically when you use a licensed IP, you are heavily restricted in what you can and cannot do. Everything requires approval by the license holder and deviations that are not true to the IP are likely to be rejected. So even if they wanted to include more female Witcher’s, they may not actually be able to.
Yep, agreed and covered in my other video :)
I just want to know what expa you think is the one to get beyond the deluxe lecel if you cant pay the all ins
The Legendary Hunt for me.
Alex, I'm sorry to say that if you do not remember the outcome of the event that you just choose 1-2 hours ago then you might have some memory issue or at least a span of attention issue :D. I still remember the result of the quest from fallout and aftermath that I made months ago :p
Days...not hours. But hey, maybe you'll.be different :)
@@BoardGameCo ah yes I apologized and stand corrected. I missed that, I only heard back to back, not the three days latter :D
@@dav1dgear All good :-) still doesn't compare to your months :-)
Hi Alex, I really enjoy your videos.
Just a thing, the deluxe could have sense also because the minis won't be sold in retail.
I post the FAQ of the campaign.
I ordered the Standard version. I want to buy the monster miniatures separately in the future. Is that possible?
Miniatures will be available only as a part of the Deluxe version, and they will not be sold as a separate product.
I don't know if the deluxe will be available in retail (maybe yes).
Thanks for the video Alex! Completely agree with you, went for the base + legendary hunt, unfortunately I'm a bit low on budget but I'm sure I got an amazing deal
Enjoy it :)
I know this might be a dumb question but I'm kind of new to kickstarter, does anyone know if the prices will be the same in the pledge manager or will they be more expensive? So could I just pledge 1 euro now to unlock the pledge manager and later pledge 125 euros for the deluxe version?
they are usually the same but once in a while are 5% to 10% higher.
Sometimes they're the same and sometimes higher...sometimes they warn you it will be higher and sometimes not :)
Thanks for the review. Can’t find any info (too much to go through) on the scale of the minis. Hard to tell from the art work if they are 25, 28 or 32mm. Do you know? I appreciate the monsters are larger but I’m wondering if they will be like FFG Descent Journeys in the Dark 2nd Ed. The heroes in that game were awful to paint - so tiny!
They had an update a few back that went through the scales.
When can we expect the update with the new all in pledge?
There won't be another video sorry :) Not enough extra to cover.
It doesn’t have to be a video. How about either in the comments or description of this video tell us what you think of that pledge level
I also don't like the argument thay because it's an IP the consumer has to pay for it. There are plenty of moves, books, video games that are based on other IP and are not more expensive. Them having to pay more money to get the license is not a consumer issue so the cost should not be passed to the consumer.
Honestly I'm not really sure how to reply there... Of course it's a consumer issue in the same way that the price of plastic, the cost of art, the cost of anything related to a game is a consumer issue. Of course the consumer doesn't have to buy it, but all those things contribute to costs that help the company determine the price. The IP is a cost that they have to pay just like any other, and as such it likely will factor into the price.
@@BoardGameCo I simply compare it to other mediums. Harry potter was licensed out for money to the film industry. Ticket prices remained the same. Batman was licensed to the video game industry and those video games are the same prices as others. SO why does the witcher IP have to inflate the price of a board game.
@@seansmith2650 How many people do you think buy movie tickets vs board games exactly? And movies are an entirely different genre. Using your logic, if we applied movies to board games, all board games, regardless of what they are, should cost the same. No Thanks should be the same price as Eclipse correct?
@@BoardGameCo I do not think they should be the same price. I was simply showing how in other entertainment mediums IP cost does not get passed to the consumer. I also mentioned the video game industry which is very analogous to board games in terms of pricing to an extent. And they also do no pass the price of buying an IP to the consumer. We are paying for the IP by buying the game. If the Witcher had a different name this Kickstart wouldn't get half of this funding. So we should not have to overpay for expansions.
KS comment sections are so much saltier since lagerlurgy.. some people still expecting it to be on the (estimate) delivery date., because somehow they take that as a "promise" even though the factories were shutdown or aren't at full power and with the ongoing shipping issues
I believe your analysis of the higher pledge levels is flawed. While they might be a good back as compared to retail, I think that buying the core pledge and then getting the extras in retail (inc the monsters) would probably be superior.
If you're talking about the miniatures, I read on the ks FAQ they can't be bought separately, only as part of the deluxe version.
@@JV-jz6sj i think that is during the KS. I can;t imagine they'll have 2 retail versions.
@@elan-6418 They said they will have both the standard and deluxe in retail.
Why people keep backing stuff without a rulebook just doesn't make any sense to me. Just give me a damn rulebook! :( I rather read an unfinished rulebook similar to Endless Winter than no rulebook at all.
Different strokes...I barely touch rulebooks for games I'm backing (unless playing of course)
@@BoardGameCo That's so interesting. I haven't even bought a retail game yet without reading the rules first.
I like the game and mini's. So 1 Deluxe pledge, NO extra's..
A solid choice :)
It's simple for me. No Rulebook, no back :)
Maybe 1 Dollar and if there is a Rulebook before pledge ends.
Devs said that they would have a rough copy of the rulebook during the PM so it's probably worth keeping that 1 euro in.
@@nswra3916 thank you for your answer
I'm not sure the game will hold its value with time. I hope it will for all the people who backed it but I'm sceptical on that point. I'm not backing it for a lot of reasons (seems too casual, fiddly, other games I want to back this year) but I fear that their success is due to the fact that it is a licenced game with a great IP : not sure they would have reached that goal with a purely new artistic creation.
If I understand correctly, the base pledge includes the miniatures for Ciri and the horse right?
Or where those miniatures only for deluxe?
Ciri yes, horse no. The mounted eredin miniature was a day 1 gift, for everyone else it's an €8 add-on.
You get all miniatures for the included wild hunt expansion. You get the Witcher minis including Ciri. You get the Kickstarter exclusive lost horse mini. You don't get the mounted Eredin unless you pay the €8 add-on price, you don't get the 15 base game monster minis, or the 13 stretch goal monster minis, or the closed tavern upgrade mini. Essentially you miss out on 29 minis vs getting the deluxe box, plus a few upgraded plastic scoring tokens. The base game will have cardboard tokens instead.
@@InsightHM oh right I totally forgot they might have referred to the lost mount mini as well. Thanks for clarifying.
@@Talieer Good to know, thank you!
@@InsightHM Oh nice! I didnt know the base game came with the miniatures for the Wild Hunt too!
That's actually really cool.
I can actually see myself pretty happy with just that. The miniatures for the normal monsters don't really excite me, nor do I think I would have any more or less fun with them on the board. Mainly it's just that horse and ciri I think would be fun to have =P And the wild hunt makes for a nice little bonus!
Thank you for your help in clarifying!
I feel like the KS page could have done a bit of a better job sorting out what all each pledge level would including.
9 hours after you posted, with the polish-funds, $8,012k USD! All without a rulebook! Still on the fence here! May just go with the Standard Pledge then up to Deluxe in the PM… love that it’s a light game that plays quick…
Yep :) They're doing solid :)
Perhaps the reason why the comment section is uncivilized is because the IP drew many people to KS that have never backed a board game before? We never see this type of behavior in a CMON campaign for example
Online people like to complain more and in my opinion the creator invited some of them by screwing up at different times (no rule book, first reviews without monster trail, the increasing price, ...). Of course this does not justify some of the strong complains, but it was what drove me away from this KS. To me it looks more like a kickstarter not like a game (more focus on numbers and talking than a clear designe concept)
Could well be. CMON does have complaints, but granted not as much.
I've seen it in others during the last year or two, so I don't think it's just new backers.
@@BoardGameCo maybe they moderated most of them :D. In any case, if it attracts lot's of people there's bound to be lot's of people that complaints harshly :D
How did exploding kittens raise so much money? :o It's not that great of a game lol
People (including me) really like The Oatmeal.
It's one heck of a fun party game, one of the best I say, comparable to codenames. Of course some tends to things that party game is not a game at all :)
The oatmeal, the artist that did the game, has a huge following. It wasn't the first or the last time we saw an online comic crossover into a board game... Although it was the largest.
Yes, also Alex is just looking at funds. In terms of Backers this game cannot hold a candle to Exploding Kittens and its 200K backers. I wish there was a better way of gauging most succesful KS that looks at BOTH the number of backers and the actual amount raised.
@@relativelyboard9959 yep, two different approaches. For myself I consider the money raised to be more a sign of success but I can hear the argument either way. Convincing people to part with $100 is harder than convincing them to part with 20... That's why I consider the total funding to be a better indicator of success.
one of the few times where i'd say the deluxe is hurting your margins unless their aftermarket plans fall through. 125 euro in msrp bonuses + 3 exclusives and engraved dice for 70 euro is going to sell well before it hits retail in full. everything will sell before it hits retail.
After retail, you're likely taking a bath on everything but the base pledge.
I can't imagine you would....even at the low end, the prices line up with the lowest I would expect to see in retail until they move to sales or whatnot, and even then the 3 monster minis will easily sell for more than enough to offset.
@@BoardGameCo having seen some of the market for cmon figures, the price are both high, but they also don't flip for a very very long time if they aren't fresh. I definitely wouldn't want to be signing up to lose 20%+shipping per expansion outside the base and then trying to recoup that on 3 figures selling in the aftermarket unless I was flipping very early.
@@82ndmi oh if you mean for profit then I agree. I'm saying if you're interested in the stuff personally, I believe your best bet is the campaign. Your options later are likely paying more at retail, or trying to hunt down the second-hand market and hoping you can get a good deal on the exclusive stuff while you add it. But I agree the high-level pledges you're probably not making much.
Does it make sense to go standard pledge whit legendary hunt expansions ?
Unless you know a local store that will pledging for some I think so. If you want the experience with the hunt expansion as soon as possible because otherwise you will need to wait a couple weeks to months. Companies usually want to complete fulfillment before accepting more orders.
Alex, you need to do this 1.5 faster. Me thinks you didn't get your coffee this morning.
Noted, will do :)
This is how a FOMO and a known franchise (video game and a TV series) can pump up a mid or a bit worse game to the sky. 300 EUR for a game that is so blunt and simple, even if it contains a couple miniatures and cards, dice. I definitely will not back this and will spend this money on 5-10 separate board games. If you buy it as an investment can be a good one but as for a gamer it is a meh.
why didnt he talk about the new dice?
This was recorded before that update.
This was filmed before the new all in was released.
Like the below :) Sadly couldn't cover the stuff updated this morning.
Do the game will have a campaign mode?
Not as of now.
There's an expansion that allows for solo play. That and adventure cards that might provide quests can basically make it a campaign I guess
Im a bit mad at the KS whining crew on this one. Whining for KS exclusives screwed a lot of the value out. Before you could get a deluxe pledge and then just wait for retail on the expansions and addons. Now to get everything you have to buy all in.
To be fair, all they did was added stuff right? Didn't make it worse correct?
@@BoardGameCo Depends on how you look at it. Im using the FOMO collector mindset of how do I get it all. Since the only way to get the special monsters is an "All In" pledge you can no longer count on retail discounts and have to take it as it is in the package.
On the addon side they sort of did it again between the gameplay all in and the everything all in. They priced the mat so that you may as well get all those other addons too. I dont hold that against them though since its a good tactic on a cosmetic upgrade.
In a perfect world Id just be buying the Deluxe pledge with some metal coins (always get the coins). Now it looks like Im all in.
I really dislike your agreement that people would be more polite in person that is not true those people would be just as aggressive if they meet them in real life but in there world they are most likely surrounded by like minded people so don't have to. That is why at protest and rallies that have counter-protests things get violent so quick. The person you are online is you or them.
I hear and understand your point...but I think you're referring to the fringes. The vast majority would have a hard time being equally rude/dismissive in person.
@@BoardGameCo I wish that was true but so far not that I have seen.