How to Replace a Vinyl Floor with Ceramic Tile | Ask This Old House
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- Ask This Old House general contractor Tom Silva helps a homeowner replace the peeling, vinyl floor in his bathroom with a ceramic tile floor
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Cost: $200
Time: 2 days
Skill Level: Moderate
Tools List for Replacing a Vinyl Floor with Ceramic Tile:
Open ended adjustable wrench [amzn.to/2PTcMUd]
Utility knife [amzn.to/2MXO9n9]
Pry bar [amzn.to/316D4ni]
Hammer [amzn.to/2UuaXvL]
Putty knife [amzn.to/2NYqiDg]
Jigsaw [amzn.to/2MUH4Uo]
Carbide tip knife [amzn.to/2LwUliB]
Notched trowel [amzn.to/2PU0sTI]
Drill driver [amzn.to/2ZQS4nM]
Wet saw [amzn.to/2PS7b0y]
Rubber float [amzn.to/2ZOqbAw]
Sponge [amzn.to/2PPnpHG]
Bucket [amzn.to/2PQKbyK]
Shopping List:
Tiles [amzn.to/2UyvNdg]
Cement board [amzn.to/2MXMAWb]
Thinset mortar [amzn.to/2ZETd6v]
1 1/4 cement screws [amzn.to/2UxmQ45]
Mesh tape [amzn.to/2Q1qRiG]
Grout [amzn.to/2MVlb7j]
Steps:
1. Before getting started, all the appliances need to be removed. Disconnect and remove any sinks, vanities (www.thisoldhou... ), and toilets (www.thisoldhou... ) in the bathroom. Loosen the flange and hold it up with spacers if possible.
2. Next, remove any baseboard trim with the pry bar.
3. Once the floor is clear, peel off the vinyl tiles with a putty knife. With the floor up, now is good opportunity to ensure the subfloor is properly secured.
4. Add cement board to the subfloor to act as a base for the tiles. Cut it to size by scoring it with the carbide tip knife and snapping it, similar to drywall.
5. Apply the thinset to the floor using the notched trowel.
6. Secure the cement board to the floor using the cement screws about 8” apart. Make sure the cement board goes underneath the toilet flange. Cover the seams between the cement board with mesh tape.
7. Dry fit the tiles to see how they will fit in the room. Measure and mark tiles that need to be cut.
8. Cut the tiles using a wet saw.
9. Apply thinset to the cement board using the notched trowel and lay the tiles on the floor. Nippers can be used to cut around the flange. Allow the thinset to cure for 24 hours.
10. Grout the tile after 24 hours.
11. Reinstall the vanity and toilet.
Resources:
Tom chose a mosaic 12x12 inch tile with mesh backing from Daltile ( amzn.to/2MYJ3qH ).
For the subfloor, he used 1/4 inch Wonderboard lite cement board underlayment [amzn.to/2Ltl4gd]. For mortar, Tom used versabond thinset [amzn.to/34r6ZZf].
To trim the bottom of the casings, Tom used an oscillating saw available at Home Depot ( www.homedepot.... ).
All of these materials can be purchased at a home center.
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Tommy is like every good mechanically inclined father wrapped up in one. But a lot more patient.
Love Tommy
When cutting casings around doors with the oscillating tool, add a layer of cardboard or something to the stack of cement board and tile. This accounts for the thickness of the thinset under and on top of the cement board.
Good tip. I bend my blade slightly up or angle my saw down so it adds and 1/8 or so. Just make sure the piece you use as a guide is small so your back of tool rests on floor
Yeah I noticed he probably had to recut
Was think the same thing, what about the thinset. Cardboard is a great idea I'll use that next time.
I was wondering about this. "What about the thickness of both layers of thinset?" Glad to see I'm not crazy.
Since he laid the tool cutting blade on top of the other materials as he cut, he added the thickness of the blade in the overall height of the cut.
I wish that all contractors were this knowledgeable, thorough and patient. This show is a wellspring of knowledge. Thank you This Old House.
Tom is one of the absolute best all around carpenters i've ever seen. His work is always so precise and well done it's amazing
Hmm... not as precise as you say. Maybe you didn't see 3:30 where he cut out the old subfloor way too big...
It would be hilarious if in an episode one of the guys went out and said, "I can do all of this, but it will involve X, Y, and Z. It will be a big job. You sure?"
And the homeowner replies, "Yeah, you're right. Forget it, I'll just leave it be."
And that's the episode.
Roll credits. LMAO.
And they all drink beeeaaazzs out in the yaaaaard.
And then the ending music plays 😂😂😂
When Tommy cut the first layer of plywood under the toilet flange, I think the circular saw cut tio deep - it cut into plywood above the joists.
"Next time on ask this old house: Tommy repairs some damaged joist"
Several good tips here: 1) The split "dutchman" plywood patch around the toilet drain, 2) Sliding the cement board under the flange, 3) Using the small "broken" piece of cement board behind the flange so it was a straight line for the next sheet.
I'm not a fan of 2 layers of subfloor- whenever there's a water leak/loss, any wet subfloor (first layer) has to get cut out.
This gentleman makes my day, how he does address everything on his way! He resolves on his knowledge. Good job mister!
Dopiest comment get a like from TOH. I also noticed TOH likes to give likes to people with foreign names more so than american sounding names.
Looks like that cameraman is spending the night in the tub!
Ha ha! Now that you say it.....
It is propably the next day filming this :p
Damnit, I was a year late for the same comment
CDeanhartman I need a camera man I’m going to start a Chanel like this
Lol!!!
I would love to volunteer just to learn under his guidance. I've been watching this show since I was a kid. Love it even more as an adult
You would be so lucky if vinyl came up like that!! Whenever I see it, its 3 layers of the shit
Yeah i agree .i hate that stuff
and it's attached with the strongest glue known to man.
That's the truth!
I did my bath floor and there were 3 vinyl remodels underneath. The sub-floor was damp and made of woven ply-board, too. The sub-floor came off like pulled pork in wood splinters.
Use a heat gun.
Lucky B c
Amazing skill to not only know what to do, but also to be able to do it.
At 8:30 I would love to see a guitarist in the tub doing that solo jam while they work.
I like the way ,Tom Silva work, and explain how to do it 👏👏👍👍
Sment and sawer are two of my favorite Tom Silva words.
50% of contractors would have tiled right over the plywood.
25% of contractors that actually used the cement board would not have applied thinset below it or taped joints.
A lot of people live by the old adage: If a man on a galloping horse can't see it--it's OK.
Tommy always make look so easy.
That’s why he’s Tommy.
Charles Damery yeah Tommy look easy always
I know, eh?
More like the camera, and the editing.
Charles Damer
Your videos are so informative for my renos.. I will definitely reference this one when I will be redoing my bathroom floor from vinyl to tile.. a BIG thanks for sharing your knowledge and working experience Tom!!
Mike Holmes would have replaced the subfloor, and the walls, and ceiling, and joists... because it's the right thing to do! Minor bathroom renos shouldnt cost a penny under $85k.
Apparently the network covered labor for the Holmes shows. That would help a bit...
Lol
@@jmbootz Yeah, they don't really make that apparent for the show.
I always figured that a large portion of the cost of those "done right by Holmes" projects was being offset by the television show.
It's why I always laugh at the show when it's trying to make the previous contractors or homeowners look like they were cheapskates on purpose. The reality is that when a know-nothing homeowner is looking to get a project done and they have quotes ranging from 15k to 45k... it's no wonder they end up with the 15k one. And then get all the headaches that comes with cheap.
If you know anything about construction, you'd know to stay the hell away from the lowest and even midtier bids.
That guy made an amazing tile choice. It looks great!
lol
It was his husband.
I hope this is sarcasm. The color makes me nauseous.
@@chibearsfan313 Black and white makes you nauseous?
@@plumbingstuffinoregon2471 Yes, this is awful.
"Wow, perfect fit." It's amazing what you can accomplish if you know what you're doing...
Tommy is wicked good with a sawr!!!
1:41 gave me splinter nightmares
That makes a huge difference. I have the same floor but in mosaic. It didn't seem necessary to cut and fit the small pieces along the edge because the trim should cover it...at least, that is what I did.
bg147 aka cheat a little :)
not for nothing, i love this channel and learn a lot from it but -_- that bathroom looks like it was built yesterday. that was the freshest nice looking plywood i have ever seen hahaha
Sment lol. Take a drink every time Tom says sment
🤣🤣
Boozers are losers
I prefer mixing up my own grout from dry.
Then you can customize the viscosity.
So you can float in all those gaps with ease.
Pre mix grout is too thick and dry for my liking.
Could a person add a little water to premix, to thin it to taste?
Them roto zip saws are the best thing that ever came out for cutting under door jambs and what not.
how are you getting a rotozip under the casings?
My old best friend invented that tool, and the drywall bits that it was originally intended for. Then came other bits for other uses.
It wasn't a Roto-zip, it was a Fein Multi-Master
I love that multitool, makes life a lot easier
Nice job. Step by step. Easy to follow, THANK YOU !
2:30 "This will sit flush" FLUSH
A really nice job, made to look easy, but well done
This was always the favorite show of mine when I was 13
DJ.Spikes Hostage how old is this show then? The camera quality is really good
Brad Howard it doesn't matter !!! PEOPLE DO UP GRADE THERE VIDEO EQUIPMENT.
I am 13. My favorite show too.
Shooooot it was mine when I was ten years old I'm 21 now
Me too.
Wow , look at that , perfect fit ! Yeah it's Tom Silva working on the project not Joe Blow .
Tommy has saved me thousands and thousands
Taking bets on whether or not it's been grouted yet.
I'll take the over.
Hahaha came here to say the same thing. He'll finally get around to putting grout down once they decide to sell the house. Every half done project finally gets completed when you're about to list the house.
1 year later and he still hasn't done it. just went over there
Update: still no grout. His wife is not impressed.
When Tom removes the toliet: "from the flange, looks like you guys had burritos last night".
I would of used Ditra these days personally if the tiles were larger. Always a pleasure to see Tommy work! Great video.
Restore&Explore what’s your opinion of ditra vs wonder board
I used ditra in two of my bathrooms. I am very happy with it.
Depends on your subfloor and structure underneath. Theres nothing wrong with using a cement board. Everything is case specific. The ease of install, and uncoupling properties of Ditra are the main benefits, and if you are planning to do a heated floor, Ditra Heat eliminates an entire step you used to have to do.
Why? it may be easier to carry and faster but for a small bathroom you would end up buying a large role and spending a lot more money.
You dont need to purchase an entire roll of ditra, just buy the amount you need, such a small area the cost will be low. I always use ditra when laying tile floors.
Tommy always has the best tools. With me, I would've used a chisel/hammer to cut that tile.
They finished in a day with $9000 worth of tools to help.
Anon Emous you can do that job with $200 of tools easy. Or barrow some friends tools.
they must be starting this conversation at 3am if they got that all done in one day
I chuckled
Exactly!
This could have easily been done in a day???
They usually shoot things like this in a few days. But you are not supposed to know that.
@Von Musklaus I bet you they did this in a couple of days. This is not your hobby. This is not a regular contract job this is a Video shoot. 30 Minutes take days to shoot.
Tom is one of the best.
8:45 -cut to Tommy also playing the guitar solo
Tommy, awesome as always. For weekend DIY'ers like me, may want to add to the description/ video that cement board, Thinset and screws is old school underlayment. Not a structure where uncouple membrane is the better way to go.
It works though.
Cheap and easy though. Membranes can be very expensive.
@@GrahamDIY
"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten".
Enjoy your cracked floors...
Favorite line from Tommy , Well let's see if this piece fits ? lol of course it will fit perfect when your the best craftsman on the planet!!
I know it doesn't affect anything negatively but it's pretty funny when the homeowner says wow, perfect fit at 3:30. That fit is anything but perfect...
Tommy is a national treasure.
Amazing job! Tom made it look so easy.
1:27 “Came up easy”
Aren’t you glad your contractor used cheap Home Depot glue now??
seededsoul no because those were stick on tiles. That is why the adhesive failed. Mastic would have glued them down regardless of the brand.
@@Dixler683 that's why they're happy. because it failed
seededsoul I think it was from HB
Nice going Tommy. Time to get yourself some worthy and appreciative apprentice to get on their hands and knees and do that for you.
Tommy u freaking genius
harry homeowner left to grout the tile . How about the plumbing fixtures where the drains don't line back up and repairs to the wall or where they were short on tile in the closet and didn't do a row?
4:02 ssssssssssment board. Now I think he’s just messing with us.
what is smet board ?
I was fine with his technique until the very end, when he mentioned using "pre-mixed grout" for the next step. I had a customer once who purchased an acrylic pre-mixed grout thinking it would be a time and labor-saving strategy. Trouble was that unlike the grout you mix with water, which can be wiped off readily as it sets up, this pre-mixed version left a thin layer on the surface like smeared acrylic caulk. It was very hard to sponge it off before it dried to the point it needed to be scraped off. There may be other types of pre-mixed grout --this was my only experience with it--but be forewarned, it's harder to work with in the end even though you're saving the time and effort of mixing batches of grout (which I never found that burdensome to begin with).
And get the grout with the sealer already in it.
Great job , I tilling man for 20 years I am do exact like video now on days used ditra. Xl ,,,, last time used hardie backer and wood sheet 1/4 inch 4x8 ,
Tommy is the man
In a bath or kitchen with a possibility of water on the floor always use epoxy grout. A little extra in cost ,but for piece of mind it is worth it.
Man, that guy is good.
I wish Tom was my dad. Mr Tom is my hero.
Living legend - as always great work I mean artistry.
I love this show!!! 😁💯
When undercutting the door jamb put a piece of cardboard from the tile box between tile & backboard to account for you mud if you tile is an average thickness floor tile. The tile on sheets are thinner.
what about the transition between the bath and hallway floors? it looks like there is a height difference!
The whole reason I watched was to see what they did with the threshold.
Gotta cut the door too.
👍Hope Tommy had crew help with that job. Gettin old sucks! (Back, knees, etc) When home owner said he’d like a new tile floor I would’ve said, how about NO! Let’s pull existing tile & apply vinyl😂😂
Good job as always
Oh how I'm not looking forward to doing this tomorrow.
He's never grouted before... If he had, he would have never chosen that tile. 😆😂
So true!
Exactly what i was thinking that tile is good for a shower floor. Not room flooring.
True that. I used to be a tile setters grout monkey. That would suck.
especially the premixed stuff. nasty. gotta work fast.
@@rtta51 yep! It's nasty but once it's done it's done.
Really appreciate This Old House!
Tom with the old school Porter Cable circ saw. I still have one myself, but Tommy's is a bit older than mine.
Always good work but you should have chose a different tile that looks old
Used cement board screws for the sub floor
Thanks to this video, I've decided to hire a guy👍
Tile is not easy work. I'm a guy and I've done two bathrooms and I hate it so much I'll hire someone if I have to do any more. I'll do anything else in the house.
Love this video. what kind/type of thin set did you use between the plywood and cement board? what kind/type of grout should i use to grout my ceramic tile?
This is a great video and the man doing the work is a craftsman which is hard to find but the big misconception in this video is the project up to this point can not be done in one day with one craftsman and a novice
Tommy is a genius.
Makes it look so easy
Tom is sharp.
So the guy holding the camera just slept there till the thinset set up ? HAHAHA!!!!!
Are the cement boards absolutely necessary? Can you not just cement the ceramic to wood?
I love your videos tom you make it look real easy 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Tom, use the Schluter Ditra membrane, its only 1/8" thick and much nicer to work with.
Wounder full wrong advise but it is right because it is from This Old House .
He must never heard from New Building Materials. Alone the Cement Board is complete wrong.
Cement Board or Hardybacker takes on up to 20% Moisture if you don't Seal it? Waterproof it.
Welcome Mold .
But that's how it is, No good Craftsmans ship only Quick Patches
Ditra , Blanke or any other Product is better then those Cement Boards. You can install whole runn's and have no Patches.
Tile work with real unmodified Cement Mortar for a Wet room does not dry/ cure in a day.
But But you need it done fast
Chris
Chris Pausenwein please point me to a few videos. Would love to learn more about these improved methods.
Sorry that I reply sooooo late but I am not on the internet every day. I build only Walk In Showers where the person can walk in without jumping over those unnessesary curbs or what ever.
To 90 % I use also Wall hung Toilets Gerberit or Toto to get rid of all those stupid holes in the floor.
with those wall-hung Toilets you winn about 10 to 12" on room. The Tank is in the wall.
The Wall units where the toilet is installed is availavle for 4" or 6 " walls.
Check Gerberit Wall-hung toilets. You Tube What else.
Take your Age now and then ask yourself if you want to redo everything in about 15 years.
Floor repairs in older homes are to 90% a complete redo.
If not, you mostly do only a patch over a patch that cost you only later. Double.
If you lay Schluter or Blanke, check on the web/You tube it is 100% Waterproof.
A big miss conception is that concrete boards are Waterproof, they are not, they can take on up to 20 % of Water, but its on page 3 of technical Info and who reads to Page 3? , what is a big problem with Moisture build up and double or triple layer floors, especially in the south, where the humidity is always high so the stuff then never dries out.
On all the repairs we find lots of problems with double layers.
I don't know your specific problem but if it is not to late you can use my E -Mail msch6791@verizon.net, for free advise. You have then to find an Installer in your aerea or do it also yourself It is not rocket science to do.
Chris
@@mastershake156 sal DiBlasi on UA-cam
I agree completely. The first time I used it I was sold on it.
How do you make sure you don't screw the cement board into the screws you put into the subfloor? Just practice or Memory? Is there a pattern we should follow?
1. Most screws are along the edge of the subfloor piece, or the cementboard piece. You shouldn't ever have joints of the cementboard layer lining up with joints of the subfloor layer below. You offset (stagger) the joints so that you aren't creating a "joint" that runs from toplayer right down to the bottomlayer.
2. If by some chance you DO hit a screw in the subfloor where you wanted to screw through the cementboard, you'll know. Hitting metal feels different than wood. So you just move the screw location an inch to the left or right. It's really not a problem that happens all that much if you are doing number 1 above.
So, we didn’t get to see the final product. Homeowner must have messed it up
That's hilarious. And probably correct.
The meager instructions about the grout application paved the way for that to happen. Next week. How to replace a tile floor.
Another episode shows the homeowner called Richard in to reinstall the toilet and sink.
So they didn't show what I watched the whole thing for: how do you adjust the door threshold 1/2” higher????
@@kurtvonfricken6829 now THAT is a good question!
Great work. Thank you for sharing.
@9:13 My eyes hurt for a few second. Man that floor is hard to look at.
“It completely brightens up the bathroom”
Thinset is not to hold it down it's to fill in voids and provide stability. The screws hold it down.
astonishing work
Didn't score the base. 1:23 takes base off, big chunk of paint comes with it 😅
johnnylawrence that’s because Tommy is just another TV host hack
Such a nice floor.
Recently went the opposite route and went from tile to vinyl tile. We set cement board and then tile which wasnt my idea because i didnt think the tile would stick but i got a roll on sealer to fill the porus cement board and it came out ok.
The bitch of doing tile and laying a subfloor for me were all the odd off cuts. I hate laying flooring with a passion both vinyl and i did tile my living room. I dont envy floor installers and/or tile setters. Hard work.
1:27 Ohh “Came up easy”
Someone GLUED the commode to the concrete in my mom's house and I cut the tiles to go around the commode rather than shattering it to get it out.
I used a carbide blade in a jig saw to get a perfect 1/8 inch grout line between the tiles and the commode. (making it look like I wanted the commode inset into the tile from the start, even though I knew it was wrong)
I feel sorry for whoever wants to change the commode later. Its not going anywhere without using a hammer and breaking it up.
It is possible you could have cut the toilet free using an oscillating saw actually, possible with a rigid scraper blade w/o teeth even. Depending on the adhesive it can heat up/gum its way through it but still could be enough to get it free.
F Huber pick me up fron jail 3088
Beautiful tile. Really like!
Homeowner will need to call Richard to put the toilet and sink back in!
Nice tiles
I like ask this old house videos and send them to me and thank you again
I'll pass on octagonal tiles, something very unappealing about them to me.
Glad you shared. Your opinion on the guys tile choice really put the finishing touch on this tutorial.
@@jays1752 I'm glad you shared your opinion on my opinion.......It really means a lot to me.
@@rawbacon Nice one haha. I see what you did there.
this was so satisfying
Yeah I need his help
I want to be Tommy when I grow up.
I'd be happy to have his mustache, that thing is epic.
Cement bawd
Tommy is the shit! Always the best.
Looks good! I always thought that you had to have a minimum of 1 1/4” of floor (3/4” plywood and 1/2” Duroc or the like) before you add tile. In this video, I saw 3/4” floor and you added 1/4” of cement board. Would this give you problems down the road? Thanks.....Jim
1/2” cement board is for walls because you need more structure and rigidity between the studs. 1/4” cement board is for floors since you already have subfloor providing structure across the joists
Tommy is amazing !