PWS Rifles: Long Stroke Piston AR
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@PrimaryWeaponsSystems makes one of the more fascinating rifles on the market. Their line of AR rifles features a long stroke gas piston system. While many AR variants have a short stroke piston, the long stroke piston is highly unusual for the AR.
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Regarding the 11.8” barrel length, I read somewhere that the 11.8” barrel length comes from a length restriction in Europe that limits the barrel length to 30cm. Love the content almost as much as my Mk111 Mod2.
You are correct sir!
Oh very cool thanks for that nugget
@@1911syndicate Serious question, when you're shooting on public land do you pick up all that brass? Not hating, just curious.
Just got my PWS 11.8 chambered in 7.62x39. It’s sexy. Drips top quality.
@@chatnasty I hope they do. That would offset all the brass I carry out to the national forest and dump. I don't want my dog stepping on it in the yard so I put out in the nantahala.
The one thing the PWS has over other piston ARs or DI is that it is damn near impossible to get a brass over bolt malfunction since the piston occupies that space. Which imo is the malfunction that takes the most time to remedy outside of a catastrophic failure.
Add to that the fact most will have no clue how to clear a brass over bolt
@@indicastrain4127 Yes because most people don't take training classes so that's definitely true.
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Im so glad you said this and had this kill my superlative arms because the op rod bent and riveted the gun shut. Bought the pws and will never buy any oprod gun ever.
User error @@2aamerica329
Finest Gas Piston design AR platform on the market. I've been running them for years. I enjoy their hardware so much that I've incorporated the MOD2 lowers on multiple builds and used their sister company Bootleg Inc's impingement version of the upper and handguards. Sadly their original skeletonized upper and handguard are no longer available. I just used my last set on a build with a Ballistic Advantage "Hanson" profile barrel. It's very accurate and runs like a swiss watch.
Absolutely love my PWS. I have two; my main is a mk111 SBR and I am selling a mk116 mod 2-m on tacswap. Funny when you mention the cons; those are two of the only things I upgraded on both. Added a SSA-E trigger and deadair muzzle device for both of them.
Dial the gas to two, it’ll feel like a BB gun when it recoils. Shooting on 1 will cause premature parts wear if shooting suppressed.
11.85 was chosen because they had a certain velocity that they wanted to keep at 300 meters and that was the shortest length that’ll provide that velocity- iirc.
The balance is superior to every other AR piston gun.
I sold my LWRC’s and only run PWS now. It is a superior system.
what setting do you recommend if you dont run suppressed? Im getting this to reduce gas to the face as a left handed shooter..thx u!
If it’s good ammo you should be able to run it on setting 3, using the least amount of gas. Some steel core will run in that setting but if you start getting short stroking of the BCG then bump it up to setting 2. The chances of needing setting 1 are highly unlikely. Good luck to you.
@@andykular3756this is exactly why I’m eventually getting one. As I will want to suppress it as well.
Have you experienced the cam pin gouging the inside of the receiver? I have heard it is wears some at the first so many rounds. Just curious..
Yes, on more than one rifle. It will show up in the first couple hundred rounds but it doesn’t get any worse after that. I was concerned about it when I saw it on the first one but the gun runs, never jams, and like I said, it hasn’t become any worse after that initial break in. Odd? I never noticed it on a DI gun, so yes. Problem? I don’t think so. Could it stress someone out who wants there gun to look new forever? Absolutely. Does it seem to have an effect on performance? Not so far. I’m 5 rifles and 6 uppers in with PWS, I have nothing but positive results so far. For the sale price on uppers right now I wouldn’t think twice about making the jump into getting one.
I have had the mk111 sbr for 8+ years and it has been nothing short of flawless. All I did was replace the trigger and muzzle device, even though nothing was wrong with either of them, but it is my work gun and it is an absolute workhorse. Finally people are busting out reviews on PWS.
Since the CGS Helios QD was designed to reduce back pressure considerably, that's why setting 1 works best for you. Most standard suppressors have more back pressure and require setting 2 or setting 3. Other suppressors like the OSS would also require setting 1 to run reliably due to low back pressure design.
Mmm good call
I've got a MK110 (from back when they only had one line of guns) I bought in 2015 and it's been great, 15k rounds and I've only broken an extractor at 8k. I'm a fan.
I purchased the MK114 Mod 2 and I am very impressed with it's performance and accuracy. The gun is simply put amazing.
i bought the PWS MK116 MOD1 last year as my first rifle off of a recommendation from a friend and gotta say i love it. havent had any issues with it and have put about a thousand rounds through it and havent had any issues.
I have an MK116 MK1 MOD1 with the nickeled Bolt & Carrier. Love that rifle always works.
Piston Guns are quieter at the shooters ear and for anyone behind the gun. Secondly, they disperse excess gas forward of the hand guard or front underneath them, making it a much less gassy experience. These are big time selling points that no one grasps…….unless they shoot suppressed. Great video.
On your first point I wasn't aware of that. Any objective data to prove that? I do agree with your second point.
@@elitetrader5468 I must say, that the point I made is hard to prove. Over the last year I’ve shot a variety of piston guns. From The MCX, multiple Sig 516’s and one LMT. There are too many factors. I can no longer objectively and honestly say that piston guns are quieter. Some guns are quieter suppressed than other for a variety of factors including, buffer weights, suppression, suppression settings etc. Much respect @elitetrader.
Setting 1: If you are not using a suppressor, setting 1 is recommended with all types of factory ammunition and in all conditions for maximum reliability.
Setting 2: When running Setting 3, if your firearm feels sluggish or stops functioning reliably, try setting 2. Many modern
suppressors have lower back pressure and require this setting to function reliably.
Setting 3: When using a suppressor,
we suggest setting 3
After having a superlative arms jam and bend the oprod affectively riveting the gun shut. No more oprod AR’s for me. PWS is amazing gas adjustments are stellar. Their Gun coatings out of this world. You don’t even need clp to clean this thing. And the first thing I noticed even on a 7 inch gun was it is ridiculously quiet and lastly, heat mitigation is beyond expectation.
Love the PWS MK1 Mod2 series. They’re like chips…you can’t have just one. Started with a MK114 in 223 Wylde and now have a MK111 in 223 Wylde and a MK109 in 300 blk. I’ve never had a single failure or problem with their guns. They are ultra reliable, run clean, easy to clean, and are built like tanks.
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I have a mk111 in 556 and 762, mk116 in 762, mk107 in 556 and a mk109 in 300 black out. I am going for the bag of chips.
@@richardj3715 Ha…love it! Me too, added a MK116 to my collection since I last posted this as well!
Have the 11.85” Mod 2 and love it. Recoil impulse is a little different but not in a bad way. Slapped an optic and a Surefire Warcomp for my SOCOM can and was good to go. Great gun and would recommend for sure
Hands down the best end plate and castle nut in the game
Absolutely. Simply genius
Until the detent gives out lol...nothing beats well done stake imo🤷🏻♂️
And the buffer tube is sexy...
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Some of the finest larping that I've ever seen.
I've got a 1st gen 7.75" 5.56 Diablo and can confirm, it fucks in a structure.
Holy keyhole Batman!!
No keyholing for me at 50yds using IWI 77gr Razorcore in my mk107. Super accurate.
My pws mk114 mod 1 is by far my favorite rifle, matched up with my rugged radiant 7.62 suppressor is a top knock hard hitter!
Thanks for the shout out guys! I’m glad I could help you out. I love my PWS rifles and the crew there is like family. Let me know if you have any other questions or want to take that Diablo out for a spin😉
Haha literally just saw this
I've got a couple PWS uppers a 223 Wylde and a 7.62×39mm. After 2 separate builds and a couple thousand dollars later trying to put together a reliable 7.62×39mm AR15 all it took was buying a PWS upper... LOL Those uppers are the only 2 factory assembled uppers I've ever bought in my life and I'd do it again they really are top shelf for sure. Great video as always keepem coming guys!!!
Great content guys. Nice too see an unfiltered review on PWS. Also, I think the studio narration at the end was a really nice touch! Reminds me a bit of Clay Croft over at Expedition Overland.
I’ve been a PWS fan for quite some time. I started out with a 7.5” Diablo upper that I put on one of my SBR lowers. I then bought a MK107 SBR and a MK111 SBR, so long ago, that my rails are Pic-Mod (picatinny/keymod) rather than Pic-Lok. Since I shoot longguns left-handed, I love the fact that the lowers are ambi and that there is no forward assist for me to bend back and break my long and luxurious fingernails on when I rack the Radian charging handle with my right hand. And, I think you’re right, they are underpriced for what you get.
I LOVE my mk111, all my top end accessories and favorite suppressor went on it and it sits at the front of my safe. Something about it makes me feel warm inside when I take her out on a shooting date.
I added a builder's kit JPSCS to it and got it to the point where I barely feel it cycle and I get almost no gas to the face.
Standard or h2
PWS's 7.62x39, 6.5 Creed, .308, 5.56, are all solid. The entire team at Caveman Tac rocks PWS' because of the Reliability, Quality & Cost plays into it. If you want the best you Truly want a PWS.
Great editing and soundtracks as usual. I personally have a MK111 mod2 so this hits home for me.
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So glad to see this review... I have a MK114 and then just built a 12.5 Bootleg which is a DI pws version...
B role was awesome. Video was great timing because I was looking in to pws for my first ar
I’ve had all kinds of rifles not that they haven’t been great BCM, DD, KAC , LWRCi. However I have become a true fan of PWS just an outstanding carbine I trust my life with.
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If I were to pick up a nice rifle, Not looking to go over 2k. Should I think about the mk116 pro. They have it on sale for 1147 right now. I like the idea of the long stroke gas piston for reliability, but was wondering about accuracy over a DI?
I usually hate YT ads, but that one was actually geniously implemented... well made Boys, well made!
I love my PWS MK116. It's super accurate and runs really clean. I've yet to have any malfunctions that weren't magazine related.
Thank you for this video! I'm glad to see yall enjoy the PWS. I know I have enjoyed mine.
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I have been asking for this review for so long, thanks gentlemen 💪🏾
🍻 just for you.
Kind of funny I am watching this. I’ve been shooting Pws guns for years. It’s almost like, where have you guys been Lol. Good to see some Pws recognition!
Piclok is so great! I have a bootleg handguard which is pws DI sister company. I wish they still made those handguards. Direct screwing the mlok into the rail is awesome.
I can't believe they quit making them for di. It really pisses me off.
Great vid as always guys!!! I would have like to see you shotgun the rifle and show the piston for those who have never handled a PWS product. That's my only suggestion for this video. I have the Mk114 Md 2 and it's one of my favorites to shoot or to let new shooters experience.
Another good one! Changed the game for these gun reviews. Really just a better watch than anything else.
Thanks brother, wait til we have the ability to do it the way I really want haha
Quality video gents. Production, video everything. Well done.
I’ve had the 14.5 Mod 2.0 for 5 years. 4000 ish rounds later. Still runs like a new. Never a malfunction due to the rifle. All malfunctioning problems was ammo related. I’ve only cleaned the rifle 7 times. Enough said. They make a Dam Good rifle. I purchased mine when Mod 2.0 first came out. Buy one. Enough said. Great rifle!
So dope
Great review... makes me confident in my decision in getting mine.
I have a mk110 mod 1 sbr with a saker 556k and it's my workhorse. Never had an issue, runs like a top. It will always be my go to
I own the 11.8” barrel version and it is the bee’s knee’s. Ultra reliable and smooooth. PWS guns are certainly a different animal and that makes them great.
10.3” barrels are popular, but outdated.
I run my PWS MK111 Pro SBR with RECCE 5 on setting 3 with an H3 buffer, smooth like butter. Clean and consistent ejection pattern with random 5.56 and PMC .223, have not tried steel case.
Love my PWS this is the exact one I have as well!!
Slick setup
All jokes aside, that LTT commercial gets me every time ;)
Thanks for making me learn new things. Awesomesauce.
I have the MK111 upper on a PSA lower. So far I’m enjoying it.
Great video. Appreciate all the homework y’all do before jumping into the video, sets y’all apart from many other “guntubers”
Just the type of content I was hoping for! I have a Hogan piston-driven AR (which is no longer available as they went out of business) and love it. Very similar to this in terms of features- full ambi controls, etc- but she is a heavy girl! That is the only downfall I have seen with the gun. I agree that this concept is awesome, and I’m hoping I don’t experience any issues with mine as it would be pretty hard to get any of the proprietary replacement pieces at this point!
I have one of their suppressors. Definitely upper level when it comes to their manufacturing and QC.
I have the mk111 mod2 in 7.62x39 and 223 wylde and love them both. Pws is an underrated firearm!!!
That 762 variant sounds super cool
@1911 Syndicate it's definitely a hog/ coyote killer. I might even try to get a deer with it next season.
@@1911syndicate I'd love to send my mk116 mod 2 in 7.62x39 to you guys for review, is the only gun that has made my range officer panic for his wallet 🤣
I have the same plus the MK116 mod 2 in 7.62x39 and the MK107 in 556. Love all of them. I did change the triggers out to the Geiselle SD-E trigger.
Can't wait for this! I have a mk116 mod 2-m and it's by far my favorite AR. Pumped to see what you guys think.
Hows the recoil? Manageable? Want to get one and setup a shit hits fan tank but im worried about part availability….with DI itll be easier to fix and change things out. Or maybe buy one and an extra bcg and piston? Any idea of a round count for the piston system?
@@rickypickles2219 I have over 1500 rounds on my mk111, not a hiccup yet. The recoil is more than manageable on setting 1 and even softer on 2. Feels like a DI gun imo. I know some will be thrown off on the proprietary parts, and I may be biased but it's worth it in the long run to me.
I've had 2 and they are the best, no question
Nice review, I dig that as a suppressor host for sure. 14.5" upper, KeyMo flash hider. I bet even a k can would sound.. moist.
I think a k would sound pretty decent. Not amazing but better than a DI
Ask and you shall receive!! I can't wait to hear you guys thoughts on the PWS!! I have been running the mk114 mod 2 and have really been enjoying it. Thanks for the awesome content! 🇺🇲
You bet!
You think its good for a shtf type rifle? How long do the bcgs last? Wanted to order one but idk if i should buy an extra bcg and piston to have.
@@rickypickles2219 you should always have a set of spare parts
@@deadheart556 i do for DI.
I really have grown to like the PWS. As far a shtf gun I would say it would be just as good as any premium di gun. The mk2 is more of a "Gucci" gun but the mk1 is there work horse. Personally I wanted the mk2 for its sexy looks! As far as extra parts I would order a replacement bolt and the spring that is on the bolt. The bolt on the pws is spring assisted due to it not having gas rings. If you have the chance to see one in person definitely check one out. You can't truly appreciate how nice they are until you see one in person. The action is so smooth it's like it's on ball bearings.
Great review I purchased the 11.8 right after this video then watched the video again!
I’m jealous. The 11.8 I bet is awesome
Oh yeah you’ll love the 11.8. I just leave mine on setting 2 with m193 and the darn thing recoils less than my other full size guns. PWS rocks.
@15:39 m-lok is quite easy to install. Tighten the nut all the way down on the attachment, then put it on the m-lok slot you want it on, loosen the nut until you feel it freely spin, then tighten the nut down.
PWS is one of the most innovative companies in the gun industry. They come up with some pretty slick stuff imo
One of the best fighting rifles there is! Love #PrimaryWeapons
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I've been waiting for this for so long. Ever since we talked at shootah 21! I love my mk111 mod 2!
Still and B roll are on point!
Thanks bro
I’ve watched this video 3 times it’s so good. I’m the biggest PWS fan boy. I had the MK114 Mod 1 and then swapped it for the MK111 Mod 2 (GPR) and that's my love. I'm on course for the MK109 (Shh CQB) and the MK216 for my DMR. These guys are the best in the market in my opinion.
My girlfriend runs an 11.85" and the 7.75". They're neat as hell. I've been wanting one myself, but I haven't gotten around to buying one yet and I don't know what length I'd even run. They run awesome though. I like freaking love them.
Damned enjoyable vid.
The PWS is a fine Carbine, you covered the up/downsides quite well.
Their Pic/M-Lok direct interface is a home run.
I had one that shot great, but decided I much prefer the recoil impulse of a properly gassed DI gun.
Your “PSI Tour” story was a nice touch Chris.
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Bruh that LTT bit caught me waaaaaay offguard 😆
Love my pws mk111 mod 2 in 223 and 7.62x39
Subscribed for this great review, thanks.
PWS is a pretty cool setup...👊🇺🇸🇺🇸👍
Great video as always. That rifle looks awesome. One thing that could be improved….
The PWS “Ratchet” receiver extension. They always loosen up with normal use (DI) ARs. Once you tighten that thing down the pawl that holds the castle but in place deforms providing minimal tension and doesn’t “ratchet” at all.
I’m using 5 of them, never had one come loose. In fact, I can’t get the damn thing off of my rifle.
@@1AbominAble1 I’ve got three and they don’t come off until they suddenly do 🤷♂️
Just stake the castle nut - problem solved
Absolutely the best AR Platform on the Market
Grand thumb did a great review on on the PWS 3 years ago.
These guns are great. Being in Law Enforcement here in Montana I trust this gun with my life. Shoots like a dream suppressed.
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No one cares, go write some more tickets for window tint.
The three settings are normal, suppressed, and adverse. I use the adverse setting to cycle subsonic brown bear 196 gr 7.62x39mm on my pws. My 16" is sub moa with hornady black and moa with brown bear hp.
Hands down, my favorite rifle out to 400 yds.
The settings must vary based on the suppressor and ammo because setting 1 is where mine stays even with the can
Just moved to SLC for work. Love your guys content!
You hit us up if you wind up needing to buy a place out here
Ergonomics of the AR-15 and the AK reliability have been combined in the SIG Switzerland 550 series of rifles. I hear they shoot very well
And I have a call soon to try to get hands on one
I appreciate the review 👍🏻
I bought a PWS Mk116 Mod1 completed upper as my first rifle and paired it with SilencerCo SCO15 lower.
Im about 1000 rounds into it and the gun shoots like an absolute dream, I run it on gas position 2 shooting Winchester M855 or PMC Xtac 556 and it cycles flawlessly and also is even easier to shoot than position 1.
One other thing that I think you guys missed, most if not all pws guns are 223 Wylde chamber - so you can shoot 223 and 556 and not have the accuracy issues that you tend to get shootjng 223 out of a 556. Another neat "quality of life" feature that pws really loads up on despite a very reasonable price tag.
I'm sure at some point Ill get a standard DI AR to complement this one with, but I like it so much it'll definitely be my go to.
PWS also makes piston AR10s and I'm seriously considering one of those as well given how much benefit the long stroke offers.
Good to hear!
Excellent review. The only thing that I would add is that all the parts that make up the bolt such as the extractor, ejector, firing pin, are standard AR parts. You can even use a standard AR bolt it will work, I have done it.
The bolt carrier is proprietary but how often would you destroy a bolt carrier? The only problem with AR carriers for the most part would be broken gas rings that score the inside of the carrier or loose tolerances that affect the gas flow.
You have none of that with the PWS system.
The most problems that I have seen with over 50 years of working on ARs for customers as well as police agencies are gas rings, which the PWS does not have, chipped firing pin tips, and extractor and ejector springs. All of those parts are interchangeable between the AR and the PWS.
Yes!!! Im excited really want to see am actually torture test on one someday line thrown in mud and sand and snow. Really test the long stroke piston system even tho it might not be to realistic what could happen
PWS did it already in a video years ago.
I think the piston system is the best for cold weather because it heats up quicker than a di but for warmer weather i would stick with a di gun to keep it running cooler.
Good review!
Have you guys ever shot/reviewed a POF-USA P415 Edge Rifle? It is also uses a gas piston system.
I have both a P415 Edge Rifle and Pistol with 12.5-inch barrel (SBR'd)
Both also work great suppressed!
What are your thoughts on the superlative arms piston conversion kits?
The LTT plug is the best gun industry ads possibly ever
Great work 🔥🔥
I rock an mk111 mod2 and mk116 mod 1. Awesome rifles and only run them suppressed. My DI guns just sit in the safe.
Please ask them to bring back the alpha. I missed it when it was for sale. And my mod 2 11.85 has just ran amazing 🤩
Yesss. I just got the mk114 mod 2. Getting the rest of the parts put together soon and will have it ready by spring. Deciding on lpvo vs acog now and what trigger. Excited for the vid
LPVO
Just picked up a mk114 mod2 as well. Went with lpvo. Threw on a geissele sd-e and a modlite. Swapping out muzzle for a surefire brake and got the surefire mini2 in jail.
I have a geissele sd-e in mine and it's totally worth the coin. (or ssa-e)
Anyone try the sd c? I think its a 2 stage more meant for combat than target or 3 gun...
@@dionysis84 I have the SD-C in a Mk111 mod 2. great trigger that you can't go wrong with
I sold a crap ton of these back in 2015. Unfortunately, the guy I worked for gacked up the relationship with PWS. They're really well made rifles though. Love a Diablo in 7.62X39 with a can.
PWS 11.8 in 762×39(upper on your lower of choice) may (in my humble 55yr. old lifetime shooter opinion) be the best urban combat/car gun you could invest in. I prefer 20rnd. Duramags; never fail or jam. Lastly: depending on ammo,you can dial down the gas for a smoother recoil impulse.
Great video! Been on the fence between a mark 18 from DD or PWS mk111 mod 2 with their 11.8” barrel as my first black rifle purchase from escaping California. Adding a suppressor in the future as well. I guess the true answer is both.
I’d take the PWS
Remember it has a Buffer System unlike other Piston guns therefore makes sense less recoil. 3 rd gas Setting is for Adverse & Suppression.
Great video
There is no better AR platform to run suppressed. I've been buying PWSs since 2012. Their 7.63x39's are awesome as well.
FYI, you can run them on setting 3 suppressed as long as you are using decent ammo. It's buttery soft.
I have a mk216 that wont cycle federal gmm on any setting but 1.
Really amazing content. I’ve been subscribed for a while and watch your videos. You guys are extremely talented and bring excellent content.
Which do you prefer. The pws mk 116 piston or the sword piston ar more ?
How much does it weigh? No mag but with the optic, light and suppressor
Finally, I own a firearm that y’all like. My M18 still has PTSD from your review 😂
Hahaha we were not kind to it
@@1911syndicate the PWS Pro line is also phenomenal value. I got the MK111 Pro upper for $650. It’s like the Mod 1 version, but stripped down even further lol. Still the same great long stroke piston system though
Hey guys even though I'm a poor your videos are awesome and they help me dream lol
I've got 2 Mod2 uppers, both awesome. Will probably get a 3rd in .300 blk.
Would be a dope gun
Just ordered the mk116 pro, $1550 endgame lifetime keeper rifle.
I have no idea if this is the reason for the 11.85" barrel or not, but it could be something to do with dwell time, like that could be the shortest barrel you could have with a certain gas system length to get a consistently reliable dwell time or something similar. I know that's why AKS's have the funky brake, it's to increase the amount of time the system is pressurized to improve reliability.
I’m told it’s related to European export/import
Love these Guys and Your Site !! Really Appreciate You 2 Looking At This Rifle not From “ FAN BOY” status it is a Great System and Rifle from a Not MainStream Supplier,Not for everyone or everything, BUT IT RUNS IN BAD ICKY CONDITIONS AND HITS STUFF AND SUPPRESSES WELL !!! And Some “ Back Room “ People Use Them , Apparently Often !! You Might Take A 👀!!! You Might Need It !!! Win Win !!! 😛