5 Things Comics Fans Absolutely Hate Today

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  • Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
  • DC and Marvel give comics fans plenty of things to hate these days. Wes recently named 5 things driving him insane. And the Thinking Critical viewers answered the call with what comic books are doing today that drives them insane. The worst shit you can possibly imagine is laid out in this video. Wes talks about the biggest complaints comic fans have today and why they're correct on every single one of them. 5 things comic fans absolutely hate today.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 189

  • @fm1668
    @fm1668 20 годин тому +26

    I hate what Marvel did to the Punisher.

    • @PimpNutz37
      @PimpNutz37 9 годин тому

      Seconded.

    • @LandOfTheGeek
      @LandOfTheGeek 7 годин тому

      Yes they ruined him on purpose to stick it to the so called right wingers who wear his skull t-shirts.

  • @mohammadbashammakh
    @mohammadbashammakh 20 годин тому +36

    5 things that I personally hate about comics today :
    The destruction and character assassination of iconic characters
    Replacing iconic characters with gender swapped / race swapped/ sexuality swapped versions
    All the reboots & retcons & multiverses
    Events that are more uneventful than a wrestling PPV
    Comics are woke propaganda rather than telling good & memorable stories

  • @azuresaiyan9005
    @azuresaiyan9005 20 годин тому +33

    5 things I hate
    1. Decompressed story arcs one after the other
    2. Endless crossovers/events interrupting runs I’m reading
    3. Speculators and publishers still thinking they matter
    4. Writers who disregard established characterization on long running characters
    5. Inconsistent art between cover and interior

    • @thegrizzmd7193
      @thegrizzmd7193 20 годин тому +2

      This is a great list!

    • @christophertaylor9100
      @christophertaylor9100 18 годин тому +1

      The cover thing, that's been true for comics for ages. DC was infamous for it, they'd have a solid artist do the cover and some hack do the interior art.

    • @AndrewStevenson-m7e
      @AndrewStevenson-m7e 18 годин тому +1

      You read my mind.
      Which is is more people that read Marvel Pride special

    • @ComicBookMuscle
      @ComicBookMuscle 18 годин тому +4

      Anything related to comic grading / speculation / resale value is so laughable to me at this point.
      Like I care about a 9.8 signed copy of anything that has been released in the last 5 to 10 years.

  • @billybarnett2846
    @billybarnett2846 20 годин тому +11

    The state of comics at Marvel and DC is so bad, I've seen artists switch over to doing comic strips.

  • @Dion1605x
    @Dion1605x 20 годин тому +43

    My five things.
    1. I detest that they are unable to acknowledge and publicize their worst mistakes. They are unable to accept the fact that Suicide Squad failed after the first film.Damian has been a failure from the start, and it is evident that most Batman fans despise him. Tom Taylor's Nightwing sold more copies than the current Batman & Robin run, and his Robin series was cancelled because of poor sales. We don't like him, because he is just a bad fanfiction concept.
    2. Unskilled authors for example, Ram V has no concept what the start, the middle, and the climax of a story are. These problems plagued his Detective Comics and other runs. It is not appropriate for someone who lacks writing fundamentals to be employed at DC.
    3. Events. There wasn't any good events since Rebirth.
    4. Assassinations of characters
    For instance, Morrison wrote
    everyone in his Batman run out of character (especially Talia), Tom King wrote Walley West out of character and Geoff Johns wrote Aquaman out of character.
    5. Their fake diversity.
    They don't care about minorities or something. Only about genders and the characters sexaully. Also, they mocked Batman since Morrison's run that he got assaulted by Talia.

    • @waynetech10
      @waynetech10 17 годин тому +1

      He turned Talia into some ranting Bond villain. It was heartbreaking.

    • @warrenweaver6664
      @warrenweaver6664 14 годин тому

      Have to agree with you on the events thing there.

    • @PureMaddnessOne
      @PureMaddnessOne 7 годин тому

      The point 5. They don't see black ppl, women, Asians, LGBT, etc as ppl, but as tools 2 be used like shields or propaganda mouthpieces.

    • @Lauren007E
      @Lauren007E 13 хвилин тому

      I liked Damian in supersons and in Tomasi's run of Batman and Robin. But he's literally just in the way. Tim is the best Robin hands down. Jason and Cass (especially Cass) should be the ones to get stories focusing on childhood trauma, parental issues and the struggles of being raised as an assassin and then thrown into the real world where your skills don't lie and trying to adjust to it.
      Without Jon to soften him Damian just kinda sucks. He's like Jason- trapped in the one storyline they know works with him.
      Every damian story is just 'my dad doesn't understand me'/'I'll fight my way into better family standing! Le gasp, why isn't it working!?'
      He worked for a second when Dick was Batman. But now that Bruce is back Tim is his other half. Damian is only a hindrance

  • @joshuaingobo1559
    @joshuaingobo1559 20 годин тому +22

    0:00 Intro
    0:55 1. Terrible Creative (credited by blackcat7k)
    4:59 2. Too Many Character Variants (credited by stonetic2515)
    7:27 3. Variant/Bait-and-Switch Covers (credited by piratecapn1066)
    10:36 4. Everything is Gay (credited by waynetech10)
    14:17 5. No Stakes Comics (credited by vernonhampton5863)
    17:16 Outro

    • @waynetech10
      @waynetech10 17 годин тому +2

      Haha He used another one of my comments. Honored.

    • @vernonhampton5863
      @vernonhampton5863 Годину тому +1

      @@joshuaingobo1559 you do outstanding work.

  • @Arizona-ex5yt
    @Arizona-ex5yt 20 годин тому +9

    There’s a reason why alphabet people have been excluded historically. When they are included, they transform whatever IP or institution or company into a reflection of their own narcissistic personalities. And it destroys whatever has been infiltrated. Every “gay friendly” church and synagogue is dying. Dr. Who (which somehow became the gayest show on TV overnight) is finished as a franchise. And comic characters like Tim Drake and Alan Scott and John Kent are irreparably damaged.

  • @inkermoy
    @inkermoy 20 годин тому +10

    I added my feelings about Variant Covers in the other thread. Didn't we go through some kind of implosion due to this back in the 90's?
    To another point, if you say "That's really gay," about a comic it's actually not a slur or insult, it's an objective fact.

  • @waxywaxenheimer4169
    @waxywaxenheimer4169 14 годин тому +6

    “Everything is fake and gay!” has become my motto in all things pop culture in the last ten years.

  • @lightingdragon4143
    @lightingdragon4143 19 годин тому +20

    Things i hate.
    1: All the different versions of the same characters. We don't need 50 Spider-men and women in the same universe.
    2: The Race and gender swapping. Its stupid, offensive, and hypocritical.
    3: The fake out deaths or bringing a character back to life, it could work but only if it's written very well and if it makes sense.
    4: All the inconsistency in power. I'm sick of Bat-God easily beating super powered beings who should easily be able to kill him without any real effort.
    5: All the retcons and reboots. It makes anything that happens in the story meaningless because you know they will just reboot the universe in a few months or years, so why even bother getting invested at all.
    6: Making every character suddenly gay.

  • @Deathwing2001
    @Deathwing2001 19 годин тому +9

    I totally agree with all the reasons you said. Another thing I hate nowadays is how a lot of the big main male heroes are portrayed. They come across like goofy sitcom Dads or as ineffectual and unsure of themselves. Also a lot of them will have to share the book with a female character (the last few years of Daredevil and a lot of the new Darth Vader series are perfect examples of it) that will upstage him in his own friggin’ book! It gets so bad sometimes that he will seem like a guest star in it. There are plenty of female characters that I like but I’d rather they just get stories of their own and not be used to hijack big name male characters titles.

  • @shaunsutton699
    @shaunsutton699 20 годин тому +8

    Mister Wes, you missed that part where they made the Predator a half-assed Wolverine!

  • @Lauren007E
    @Lauren007E 18 годин тому +10

    I already complained about it but I'll be more precise here. The things I dislike most about modern comics;
    1. The poor writing quality/fundamental misunderstanding of the character they're writing.
    2. The lack of heroic morals. Self explanatory, the writers are more concerned with sounding moral by their own subjective ideals instead of showing characters actually sacrifing things to their duty, or using univerisal morals. (Also batman turning into an abusive father, Dick's issues with him used to be standard growing pains. His relationship with Jason showed that he wasnt actually some overbearing tyrant. Now its been flanderized and people took Dick's youthful rebellion/reasonable devastation at losing a little brother at face value so Bruce is just bullying his kids, never apologising or hes depicted as a despicable little sociobat who the writer forces to grovel)
    3. Out of touch editorial directives. Peter can't marry Mary, Bruce can't marry Selina, Alfred has to die, [insert character here] can't grow because then people will need to think up new ideas for them. Wolverine can't cut off limbs or smoke cigars, DC characters can't be shown shooting someone (bye bye Red Hood, Grifter, Vigilante, Bloodsport, Deadshot etc).
    4. The lack of continuity/respect. This includes gender, race and personality swaps. If they don't care to keep it consistent they why should I?
    Again, Tim Drake had such an interesting arc laid out for him. Turning from the prefect robin into a morally grey pragmatist as Red Robin/evil batman. They could have expanded on that. Might have even offered a way to get Jason back into the batfamily in a more natural way as they both could grow closer. Maybe even go on a downward spiral. Or maybe Tim would recognise this dark turn as something irredeemable and try to avoid it. But no. Now he's either just there in the background. Or hes toted out for pride variant covers.
    5. Horrible art. If I can draw better than a big 2 artists then they need better artists. ASAP.
    6. Vapid prattling on and mistaking snark for humour. As well as slice of life stories that do and say nothing. This isnt manga where you can get away with a filler chapter because the books are so large/it comes out in a magazine with multiple other snippets of other series.
    7. The fact none of this hack writers have been fired. The fact Sina Grace, Mako Tomaki, Tini Howard, Gail Simone and their ilk write an identitcal story/character dialogue no matter who they're writing shows that they don't have the talent necessary to write those characters. They're never in character, because they lack the empathy to write how these characters in this world would act and feeling.
    As a final point, I'm not against the concept of a reboot. In fact I think the big two might need a massive hard reboot. But only after clearing house to get every slacktivist "writer" out and bringing in talented writers who were fans of these characters when they were good in.
    Anything short of that probably won't do anything.
    Although wow is this is amazing, DC has interupted their event with ANOTHER EVENT! I don't think that's ever happened before. Truly a watershed moment

    • @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω
      @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω 3 години тому

      real talent doesn't want to work for the Big 2
      also Bruce and Selina don't really work
      they have the same thing he has with Talia animal attraction
      and that's it
      not a basis for a life long partnership

    • @Lauren007E
      @Lauren007E 8 хвилин тому

      that's probably true. I liked Talia and Bruce more (before Morrison absolutely destroyed her) but even then I never really thought they'd work because love isn't enough when you've got principles so wildly different. I think Sliver St Cloud is probably the only one who Bruce would have had a chance with as a proper marriage candidate. But she couldn't get past Batman.
      Another one was Jason and Artemis of Bana-Mighdall. They were a cute couple. But instead we get him forced with Ravager (where either one or both needs to be out of character for it to even work) or some literally who's.
      I don't blame them. I wouldn't want to work for those out of touch slave driving editors either.

  • @Dr.HUGENSTEIN
    @Dr.HUGENSTEIN 20 годин тому +11

    Comics are way too expensive and many will literally fall apart they are made so poorly with tissue paper.

    • @Froban
      @Froban 19 годин тому

      You do realise that old comics we're made with newspaper. The only difference between then and now is that the old comics were pocket change compared to new comics.

    • @Dr.HUGENSTEIN
      @Dr.HUGENSTEIN 13 годин тому

      @@mikem3543 Well I have, it falls right off the staples

    • @Dr.HUGENSTEIN
      @Dr.HUGENSTEIN 13 годин тому

      @@Froban They never fell off staples brand new

    • @Dr.HUGENSTEIN
      @Dr.HUGENSTEIN 13 годин тому

      "AcKtUaLLy"

  • @mechaman7818
    @mechaman7818 20 годин тому +8

    0:55 I have an irrational hate of hexagons. But that's not just a comic problem. That's an all of sci-fi and even some fantasy problem.

    • @lobaoguara2332
      @lobaoguara2332 20 годин тому +2

      What, would you prefer it to be like?

    • @mechaman7818
      @mechaman7818 20 годин тому +2

      @@lobaoguara2332 Literally anything? Any other polygon? It doesn't have to be hexagons every single time. There is no law that says shields have to be represented by hexagons, but they constantly are. It's lame and uncreative.

    • @SwayRod836
      @SwayRod836 20 годин тому +2

      Bro Team, Star Trek game: "SHIELDS MADE OF HEXAGONS AGAIN!! RRRAAAARRR!!"

    • @invisibleshuffle
      @invisibleshuffle 19 годин тому +1

      You have a point, though the hexagon is the strongest shape for structural stability, it's everywhere in Comics and Sci-fi. It's in the fabrics, it's in the architecture, the tech and the magic. Oldheads understand the possible nod to tabletops and early turn based video games, but Master Chief spent an entire game on a ring violently thrust through with hexagons. It had nothing to do with anything and it was honestly just lazy terrain filler.
      Maybe it's all just the simulation trying to tip it's hand, "Look guys! It's all polygons! Do you get it yet?!"

  • @JosephPeluso-ce4tm
    @JosephPeluso-ce4tm 18 годин тому +5

    Great video, Wes! One of your best to date. The respondents were spot on. All the reasons listed were why I no longer read Marvel comics. They have destroyed Spier-Man. He is new-age loser who will probably wind up sleeping in the park in the near future.
    Knockoffs, multiverses, no stakes, one note characters, stories that never end, and stupid Kum Ba Ya moments have destroyed much of this storytelling medium.
    God, will someone at the big two pick up the phone and give Jim Shooter a call!

  • @Jonderlei
    @Jonderlei 19 годин тому +4

    The multiple versions of a hero thing drives me nuts. No matter how many good things I hear about Spider verse I just cant be bothered and then all the multiverse shit since then all it does is water down the characters. I remember when Invincible season 2 started before I read the books a multiverse/alternate dimensions was brought into it and I was a bit worried after the marvel shit but they did it much better in Invincible and I actually love how all his alternate versions were evil. The Invincible war in season 3 is going to be fucking amazing.

  • @DarthDread-oh2ne
    @DarthDread-oh2ne 20 годин тому +23

    I hate what dc did to Jon and Christopher Kent.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 20 годин тому +6

      Same here I am still pissed off about that as well

    • @mohammadbashammakh
      @mohammadbashammakh 20 годин тому +4

      What did they do to Christopher Kent ? I thought he was forgotten about after the new 52oom

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 20 годин тому +7

      @@mohammadbashammakh from what i remember apparently people are pissed off about him now being a villain now loyal to his father general zod.

    • @Lauren007E
      @Lauren007E 18 годин тому +2

      @@TevyaSmolka nah Zod kicked him out. They tried to do a supersons thing with him and some kid pretending to be Sinestos kid

    • @Lauren007E
      @Lauren007E 18 годин тому +1

      @@mohammadbashammakh I wish they forgot him

  • @walterlucero5757
    @walterlucero5757 9 годин тому +1

    The shipping that makes no sense is the Betsy/Rachel relationship. Psyloke loses Angel and all of a sudden, she's "Is you! It's always been you!" with Rachel!?

  • @CRUCIFi777
    @CRUCIFi777 20 годин тому +5

    The era for profitability of the 5 or more comic creator team is coming to a close, artists need to write and writers need to draw, colorists need to letter and letterers need to color for example, and everyone needs to self-edit. May the best representative of mankind win.

  • @Kendro311
    @Kendro311 20 годин тому +4

    Minding my business listening to Wes as im driving down the road. Fraud alert siren goes off and thought I was about to die for a second 😂.

  • @ComicBookMuscle
    @ComicBookMuscle 17 годин тому +2

    Yeah, I might as well as add this one. Anything related to comic grading, slabbed, signed, special limited cover of a book that came out in the last 5 years is just laughable to me.
    None of this stuff has the value that speculators, flippers, retailers think it is. I know they have to make money, but it’s crazy to think you can throw an extra 15 dollars mark up on a book released the same day because it’s a rare variant for some “completionist”.
    This takes all the fun out of actually READING comics.

  • @Slitheringpeanut
    @Slitheringpeanut 15 годин тому +1

    Gail Simone's career took off because she created the Women in Refrigerators website. No Stakes Comics make for 'great' TV scripts, that's why they do it, because of the Greg Berlanti style of 'Feelings in Hallways' storytelling.

  • @mechaman7818
    @mechaman7818 20 годин тому +3

    6:25 You ever see the Red Letter Media episode about Terminator Dark Fate where Mr. Plinket spends like 2 minutes going "but that's the same guy" to Mike explaining all the variations of John Connor that exist now? Yeah, that's how most of these families feel. 1 or 2 versions beyond the main that seem worth keeping, and then like a dozen more interchangeable idiots nobody cares about. I'm pretty sure they repeated that joke with Batman at some point, too, to be more comic relevant. My brain just goes to robits first, sorry.

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka 20 годин тому +33

    My list is simple basically dc won’t deage Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy back to normal and marvel won’t allow Peter Parker and Mary Jane to get married and they have their daughter mayday Parker spider girl alive and kicking in the mainstream marvel universe but that’s just my opinion

    • @rubenvideo3188
      @rubenvideo3188 20 годин тому +1

      what you expect company run by dickheads whos head only think money and use agenda for their selfish

    • @Lauren007E
      @Lauren007E 18 годин тому +4

      Its so clear that they just wanted Conner but he was dead, now that hes back they really dont know what to do with two teenage superboys

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 18 годин тому +4

      @@Lauren007E which drives me crazy because you have a emergency reset button right there to deage Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy or say this Jon Kent we have is a fake and the real Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy can be rescued and have him back to his little 10 year old self Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy right there.

    • @Lauren007E
      @Lauren007E 18 годин тому +1

      that's my cope lol, this Jon is actually Ultramans son who jumped universes to be free of his horrible parents. If you want you can even have a whole "Wow I've learned so much about family, friendship and loving someone more than yourself that I can't actually live with myself for taking this away from that kid... let's go save him!" Then you can have your cake and eat it too. Young Jon is brought back, probably a bit jaded and scared. Maybe a little wrathful that his friends (especially Damian and Kathy) just accepted that he would cut all contact with them without even trying to stay in contact and they didn't care to investigate or notice that was out of character.
      Maybe even mad at his parents and Nightwing since they just accepted this faker without question while he was left being tormented. They should have noticed that he was different.
      Heck you might even get more interesting older Jon stories as he can go back to his universe to unseat his parents and become a benevolent dictator and try to make the antimatter universe a better place.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 18 годин тому +4

      @@Lauren007E actually that’s not a bad idea and honestly that kind of like my idea with my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 being rescued by Superman clark Kent and Lois lane and they kick this imposter ass and save their son, but your idea with older Jon being the son of ultraman and going home to lock his fathers ass and saves real Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old-self being saved is pure genius and amazing in my opinion.

  • @notyouraverageharleyquinnstan
    @notyouraverageharleyquinnstan 20 годин тому +10

    1-5: modern comics

    • @mikem3543
      @mikem3543 17 годин тому

      You mean Modern comics like Geiger, junkyard Joe, Redcoat, Rook:Exodus, Sacrificers, Conan, GI Joe, Transformers, Beneath The Trees, Nemesis, Magic Order, Stray Dogs, Feral, Phantom Road, Prodigy…. I could go on and on. You are right, modern comics completely suck. The ones I posted above suck harder than all the rest. Absolutely terrible comics.

    • @notyouraverageharleyquinnstan
      @notyouraverageharleyquinnstan 17 годин тому +2

      @@mikem3543 modern Harley comics specifically.

  • @stevehnatko1050
    @stevehnatko1050 20 годин тому +3

    A big one for me that falls under the character assassination umbrella is not understanding who the character or characters are. I don't understand how an editor can't be up to date on what the characters voice should be and tell the writers, no, you can't do that, this girl is this way, or this guy is this. It boggles my mind

    • @Lauren007E
      @Lauren007E 18 годин тому +1

      They need to bring in character bibles. Using the proper charactization from the 80s/90s and 00s

    • @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω
      @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω 2 години тому

      they don't want to they consider them problematic
      they actually think they are saving the world from the injustices
      of the past

  • @aqdrobert
    @aqdrobert 17 годин тому

    Marvin Miller: Gee, Wendy. I absolutely hate the lack of public service announcements.
    Wendy Harris: Comics today are ALL PSA.
    Marvin Miller: Too bad children can't read them anymore. Today's comic PSA's are NSFW.

  • @davekolan862
    @davekolan862 19 годин тому +1

    Zenescope is also awful for variants, they only seem to exist to sell $100 nude covers

  • @HereComesCALICO
    @HereComesCALICO 15 годин тому

    Cost is a pretty big issue. Comics was always a hobby where, with $5-6, you could try out a few titles. Then, when something hooked you, you could start dropping more money. But today's books cost $5-6, which makes that scenario toast. FYI: Our books are $2.99.

  • @powerofgreyskull2025
    @powerofgreyskull2025 11 годин тому +1

    I think the worst things they've done at least recently were the changes to Alan Scott (fuck Tim Sheridan to the moon), Tim Drake ( fucknwhoever did that shit) and eeeeeevery single page of Jason Aaron's run on Punisher. That man should be exiled from entertainment for all eternity. Tom King, Tom Taylor and Grant Morrison can suck it too.

  • @smoothlettuce940
    @smoothlettuce940 19 годин тому +1

    i dont understand how they can just kill an entire medium, the best medium of storytelling and just act like things are fine. Marvel and DC have driven away their core audience and for what?? i just dont get the thought process here. You get a decent book every now and then but majority is just a shit show and its heartbreaking to see the downfall of comics. We as fans can only take so much before we reach a breaking point and i think i speak for us all when i say that im so tired. being a comic reader is so tiring and frustrating. change HAS to happen or the medium has NO future at all :(

  • @waynetech10
    @waynetech10 16 годин тому +1

    Thank you for using my comment. It may be small, to some, but I'm glad to hear it shouted out.

  • @MsbahMasbah
    @MsbahMasbah 20 годин тому +3

    Hello, thank you for the video. It was very nice. I have a good idea for a video that you can do in the future. Take a poll to ask people who do not read comics or have never tried them, what are the reasons for not trying to read comics or not wanting to try them?
    This is another idea. Take a poll to ask manga readers why they prefer manga compared to comics?

  • @doctorogre1777
    @doctorogre1777 20 годин тому +1

    What? Even in a hypothetical golden age of comic book quality, I can't see anyone asking for "Black Panther vs Predator".
    I'm down for superhero "families" in theory, but only ACTUAL families. Not these diversity cosplayers. That House of El idea had potential and I've neverminded Batman and his four sons (before they were ruined and turned gay or cat-lady thirst traps).

  • @ascorvinus
    @ascorvinus 20 годин тому +15

    I want to see Iceman realize he’s been mentally manipulated into changing his sexuality, and go full battle to the death against Phoenix because of it. That’s the kind of violation that’s unforgivable.
    Unfortunately, we’ll get the heat death of the universe before we get that story.

    • @christophertaylor9100
      @christophertaylor9100 18 годин тому +2

      That would be a great run, and epic fights. End with Iceman dead, because they've made him a joke.

    • @Lauren007E
      @Lauren007E 17 годин тому

      Bro same... I'm gay and this shit is more effective than conversion therapy. Never wanted to be straight more than I do now.
      It's mortifying seeing this being what everyone thinks of when they hear gay now. Can we just be normal ffs

  • @dongleason9878
    @dongleason9878 18 годин тому +1

    To me, this has been the worst run in Detective Comics in the almost forty years that I have been reading it.

  • @kevinclark8356
    @kevinclark8356 19 годин тому +1

    Pretty much that. I don't know else can be said about the state of comics right now.

  • @Wingcrawler
    @Wingcrawler 20 годин тому +2

    9:00 james bond has this too theres 10 variants!

  • @peterburman5193
    @peterburman5193 7 годин тому

    How have i not heard about "Fraud Watch" till now???

  • @ea_gaming
    @ea_gaming 17 хвилин тому

    #2 is easy to solve: stop the entire line, put out 3 books a week for 12 weeks telling three angles one story; that story is either of a superhero serial killer that systematically eliminates all of the families, or a Hickman’s Avengers-esque story of the main continuity finding multiverses that have no hero’s, and need a couple to protect them from some multiversal villain- so we split the families up to protect those other multiverses, then never speak of them again. Or maybe multiversal COVID- and the main co-morbidity is being a ‘legacy’/variant character.

  • @charlesbaserap8088
    @charlesbaserap8088 14 годин тому +1

    I'm so tired of female writers that do nothing but self insert. There are some great female writers that don't, but it seems a lot of the newer ones can't help themselves, it's so obnoxious, especially when the self inserts or character retcons based on their head canon fetishes become the main focus.
    The other thing I hate is the laziness in gender, race, or orientation swapping to get accolades. Create new characters and invest the time into them instead of changing preexisting ones. The X-Men line has seen a dozen new characters, almost all of which have been diverse and that's awesome... except they don't push them, because that takes effort.

  • @SolidGoldCEO
    @SolidGoldCEO 14 годин тому

    End of the day, a comic book that just tells a straight forward story, with a defined villain and threat, that's in continuity, doesn't break down the hero and doesn't lead into a big event, would be a breath of fresh air.

  • @bradhogue2029
    @bradhogue2029 20 годин тому +2

    Bad Boy Wes activated!

  • @reaser-o6b
    @reaser-o6b 13 годин тому +2

    Pretentious British writers and artists who get swapped out every three issues are honestly what pisses me off the most about comics these days.

    • @RamManNo1
      @RamManNo1 10 годин тому +2

      It’s my observation that most British writers don’t “get” American super-hero comics as an entertainment medium in general. It all started with Alan Moore. They just feel the need to be edgy and pretentious almost like they are poking fun at the medium🤷‍♂️

    • @reaser-o6b
      @reaser-o6b 8 годин тому

      @@RamManNo1I think they’ve got a real chip on their shoulder about writing comics for kids, ’cause their oversized egos make them think they were meant to change the world. But Alan Moore’s a prime example that it’s the comics industry that made him, and without it, he and his British pals wouldn’t be worth much. I tried to read Jerusalem by Moore, and it’s crap.

  • @doomedhuh
    @doomedhuh 20 годин тому +3

    all of the stuff you mentioned and small case lettering.

  • @lobaoguara2332
    @lobaoguara2332 20 годин тому +1

    I would say that the most appropriate number for a family is 5 members to 10, this defining that everyone will be different if everyone has the same power like the supernan family, decrease this number to 3. We don't need more than 3 supermen, more than that is ridiculous just like we don't need more than 3 flashes. The more people have the same power as the hero, the less special the hero seems and I hate that no one has the right to be special anymore in the world of superheroes.

    • @SchweitzerMan
      @SchweitzerMan 18 годин тому

      I was at a convention recently and heard Dan Slott saying the Bat Family was too big

  • @cliffwoodbury5319
    @cliffwoodbury5319 19 годин тому +1

    Wes - I wish you separated the time bars on the separate issues you touched on in this video and other videos you do.
    I was thinking about this last night and I was thinking the Bat Ffamily should have different members present in one universe and not present in others.
    As far as slice of life - they should have slice of life lines that are not in the superhero books but have the supporting characters from them...

  • @shotsavereboundscore
    @shotsavereboundscore 19 годин тому +2

    I dont understand the complaints on variant covers. If you don't like the variant, just buy cover a. Simple

    • @Carrion_Comics
      @Carrion_Comics 18 годин тому +3

      The variant coves hurt local shops, especially when they're based on the copies ordered. Retailers aren't going to buy 25 copies they can't move , which in turn causes consumers that would normally shop locally to go online to one of the big shops where they can get Amy variant they want , causing local shops to lose business they would have otherwise had.

  • @invisibleshuffle
    @invisibleshuffle 19 годин тому +1

    The world is large, larger than most people can grok, so the potential need for super heroics can be large as well. Unfortunately, when the majority of all your heroes only hang out in one city, it cuts your efficacy significantly. Are there enough threats in a world to keep a small group of similarly powered super people busy? It can if you have good writers, but that means they're gonna have to be in different, dare I say diverse, locations and interacting with people globally. No more date nights, just monsoons in India and cyclones in Australia, out of control trains in Siberia and mudslides in Chile. More intergalactic threats could be fun but that should be able to be handled by the fifteen earth-based GL's. The Flash family could easily take care of every terrestrial mishap because they move in Attoseconds (An attosecond is to a second, as a second is to approximately 31.69 billion years) apparently. What's an Elongated Man to do compared to a Bat Family Army?
    See, that's the real pisser about the entire glut of variants to a character, either you stuff so much filler to pad your books, or the earth is a besieged hell-scape of never-ending calamities to keep so many people busy. Guess what's easier to write and draw?
    Two torsos in blankets texting each other as a Superhero comic is an insult to the legacy of the great creators who made these funny books so darn compelling. Where's the life or death? Where's the odds to overcome, where's the god forsaken action in ACTION Comics?!

  • @vernonhampton5863
    @vernonhampton5863 20 годин тому +2

    Senpei has recognized m😢

  • @mikem3543
    @mikem3543 13 годин тому +1

    I do feel bad for x-men fans. I mean, I guess I shouldn’t judge without reading an issue, but it looks really bad.

  • @InfamyOrDeath-__-
    @InfamyOrDeath-__- 18 годин тому +1

    We need a lot more than just 5 things, we could make a 5 hour video with all the issues comics has.

  • @AL-ws5yi
    @AL-ws5yi 14 годин тому

    I didn’t know I could have picked 5 things I hated.
    Also this came out before Breevort said this, but I hate that Peter and MJ will never get married.

  • @jedyty4219
    @jedyty4219 20 годин тому +1

    Great video. I spit out my drink when the “fraud alert” popped up. Funny stuff!

  • @piratecapn4real
    @piratecapn4real 11 годин тому

    Wes, it was so awesome that you choose my comment to use to speak about the variant cover bullshit, it really made my day to see you directly quoted me in one of your videos, thank you for that, it really did make my day today

    • @piratecapn4real
      @piratecapn4real 11 годин тому

      And yes I changed my name a little because the 1066 was added randomly when I created my account lol

  • @incubustimelord5947
    @incubustimelord5947 19 годин тому

    Hey Wes, this is slightly off topic but it's still actually connected to comic books. Did you see the recent news article that showed that DC and Marvel have both lost their shared trademark of the word superhero? Now that term is back in public domain again.
    You should make a new video about this and talk about it on the next episode of Comics Aficionados so that people can actually know what that means and how it changes the game for independent comic book creators.

  • @benja6902
    @benja6902 14 годин тому

    I read Ram V's Aquaman 'Andromeda' Black Label book, and that was enough for me.

  • @lotsalube
    @lotsalube 14 годин тому

    Wes, where's the part where there's 19 pages of shitty art, 2 pages of marvel-related stuff & the rest is advertising. At least idw put their ads all in one at the back of the comic. Marvel & DC should take note.

  • @ravenantoinette1325
    @ravenantoinette1325 2 години тому

    I've never understood why sexuality mattered in comicbooks. I'm tired of the laziness. There's minimal action and fantasy in it anymore. I read comics to escape reality, not to see the real world depicted in pages.

  • @Spiralwaver
    @Spiralwaver 6 годин тому

    It used to be that you hired creators and if they did well and sold well then you would put them into one shots then mini series then ongoings and then if they could keep up multiple books but now it's reverse lmao.

  • @comicslinger
    @comicslinger 15 годин тому

    Editorial change is a must, especially at Marvel

  • @briangrindrod4364
    @briangrindrod4364 8 годин тому

    1) Lack of action 2) Characters that are not in character 3) Identity Politics 4) Race/Gender Swap 5) Writing that is at the level of an elementary school student

  • @Canuckit
    @Canuckit 14 годин тому

    Pages hidden by QR codes got added to my list recently.

  • @giantproof
    @giantproof 15 годин тому

    War of the Realms ended with Malekith playing with puppies. That's where comics are these days.

  • @patrickmoreau7592
    @patrickmoreau7592 15 годин тому

    You what’s funny Wes?
    I went to Terrific Con in August and the most popular creators were the old school ones.

  • @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω
    @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω 3 години тому

    sadly i think that the well of imagination of the writers
    is starting to dry
    imagine people who are getting paid to actually be little boys /girls and play with ''their toys ''
    and take us with them in their magical journeys
    are now people just existing

  • @claytonmorris9040
    @claytonmorris9040 20 годин тому +1

    Here thing when working with a minority like a gay character u need to treat them like salt. Add a little for seasoning don't make it the main course

  • @ZiKoN22
    @ZiKoN22 13 годин тому

    ya, Ram V sucks. I remember when he was on Carnage/Venom. His stories just went no where.
    That's also why I am a bit excited for Batman Dark Patterns. Yes, it is another Batman book, but it is stripped down, just Batman. no Bat family! :)

  • @paulmcgrew2932
    @paulmcgrew2932 19 годин тому

    Any chance of a Breen retrospective video soon?

  • @namelesswhocares8648
    @namelesswhocares8648 10 годин тому

    I'm so far removed I believe the last American comic I bought that was recent was the batman/Joker by silvestri

  • @ronaldbourgeois1255
    @ronaldbourgeois1255 19 годин тому

    Wes dynamite seems to have a lot of kick starter campaigns for their books.

  • @wraithx7
    @wraithx7 9 годин тому

    I also hate most of the things on this list, especially the boring as hell talking heads mundane slice of life stories and scenes in superhero comics.

  • @MandatoryReporter2015
    @MandatoryReporter2015 17 годин тому

    Comics used to be The Battle of New York. Now they’re Shawarma.

  • @REDEMPIRE
    @REDEMPIRE 16 годин тому

    I’m ok with variant covers cause some of the regulars are crap

  • @gavsmi6452
    @gavsmi6452 Годину тому

    Every character gay and the sitting around talking and eating. It feels like every comic is this now. I gave from the ashes a try, but it feels like nothing is even happening.
    I want action, stakes, climactic battles, heroes with the odds against them!
    Not eating and talking and being cute and endless validating.

  • @willow4900
    @willow4900 18 годин тому +3

    You know what the best part about that storyline from Tom Taylor's Titans is? He basically stole it from Teen Titans Go vs Teen Titans the movie and it's so obvious it's ridiculous. But what's really sad is in Taylor's version Beast Boy had to mansplain Raven's own abilities to her, whereas Teen Titans Go Raven was actually smart enough to figure it out all by herself, I wanted to scream! Raven is my favorite character but you can just tell Taylor doesn't give two shits about her, making her look that incompetent and stupid, all so he can prop up a ship DC refuses to let go of. Seriously, to love Raven in the comics is to suffer and the next writer sounds like he's gonna keep that status quo.

  • @ampersand085
    @ampersand085 8 годин тому

    On having too many Character Variants. You guys are reading it all wrong. The current iteration of the DC Universe is literally just a present day Kingdom Come / Jupiter Legacy. The titles you are reading are just the propaganda stories published for mass consumption permitted by your superhero overlords.

  • @davidsmalley1205
    @davidsmalley1205 16 годин тому

    Too many variants and special covers, yeah, it’s like the 90’s all over again.
    I don’t have a problem with down time for superheroes. Without a fleshed out supporting cast and emotional anchors, the bigger stakes do t mean anything.
    Gay characters don’t bother me. I certainly don’t think X-Men are flailing because there’s too much gay.

  • @lazlodeathray7156
    @lazlodeathray7156 20 годин тому +1

    Great video, Wes!

  • @jasonirizarry8829
    @jasonirizarry8829 51 хвилина тому

    Go go Spiderman Rangers!!! Spiderman just needs a mech and he will go full japanese.

  • @doommega
    @doommega 16 годин тому

    this is possibly one of wes best videos of the year. rest assured this is a vid you better Bookmark this vid - blessings to you brother. there is nothing else to add

  • @potandpoliticswithmr.broph1420
    @potandpoliticswithmr.broph1420 19 годин тому +3

    1) Marvel
    2) DC
    3) Disney
    4) Warner Bros
    5) Shills for any of the above.

  • @jasonirizarry8829
    @jasonirizarry8829 38 хвилин тому

    We are living through the Creeping Death of the corporate 2, Marvel and DC just want to make money with variant covers, fat free static main characters that can't grow or change, unless it is to go gay, add to that cheap production from paper to print, yet high prices, for many cases less content. And all these flat crossovers, that have no weight case they all ways happen. Even the movies are following this path with two avenger film back to back, no build up, look many heroes fighting come see. I have saved hundreds to thousands thanks to Marvel and DC's lack of desire to succeed

  • @jadenova
    @jadenova 3 години тому

    Don't you know that eating sandwiches is actually symbolic of eating out?

  • @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω
    @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω 3 години тому

    how does a story with the xenomorphs in fail how

  • @ManiakGear
    @ManiakGear 16 годин тому

    Be a fan of Image comics. You'll learn REAL quick to not give a shit about variant covers anymore.

  • @regishel
    @regishel 17 годин тому

    I disagree, when it comes to DC I love Families of characters that have similar powers but have different personalities, these characters are great. The problem happens when they try to remove the original character like in Marvel or where they have no reason to even be connected. Marvel hasn't done a good long running side-kick, family or mentee/Legacy character for what feels like a decade and when they finally make one like X-23, they fuck it up with bad writing, later on🤦‍♀️

  • @potandpoliticswithmr.broph1420
    @potandpoliticswithmr.broph1420 18 годин тому +1

    I've said it before and I'll say it a million more times, you really done fucked up hard when you can't sell hot lesbians to teenage boys and middle aged men.
    Cast your mind back to the thrilling days of yester year( Yes I did just steal The Lone Ranger radio show intro 😁) and the Marvel Swimsuit issue, no straight man except actual anti gay bigots would have said anything except "Take My Money!" if they were pitched Psylocke and Rachel Summers as a couple.

  • @warrenweaver6664
    @warrenweaver6664 13 годин тому

    Hmmm for me on characters like Avengers hasn’t been good since Bendis NA right when Hickman took them over they basically went down hill from there. X-men has been on and off some descent some lame. Spider-Man has sucked ever since the 1st Superior run ended.

  • @dylanlindsay6794
    @dylanlindsay6794 13 годин тому

    We need more Bad Boy Wes 🤣

  • @theprincipalofficer_1
    @theprincipalofficer_1 3 години тому

    The irony to be collectable it has to have real worth culturally relevant nothing from marvel or DC is relevant. For real value you might as well get a commission from the artist real value.

  • @GuyR-c7u
    @GuyR-c7u 16 годин тому

    There is nothing I hate in modern comics because i have no interest at all in them

  • @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω
    @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω 3 години тому

    why would someone pay for fanfiction
    when they can read it for free
    fanfiction sites exist

  • @PureMaddnessOne
    @PureMaddnessOne 6 годин тому

    The disease that is infecting the comics. Like that the editors/writers don't see LGBT, black ppl, women, Asians, etc as ppl, but as tools like shields or propaganda mouthpieces, that they tokenize ppl.
    Pushing of awful (fanmade) characters like Spider-Gay, Spider-Crippled, Captain falcon, Captain Karen, Superman jr and his villain BF, Paul, Black batman, Jo Mullein, etc. The shitting on awesome characters done by th awful characters, like what Spider-Gay did 2 Spider-Ham.
    The changing of sexuality of characters like Tim Drake aka 3rd Robin aka Red Robin, Iceman, Poison Ivy, (although as she part plant her made bi made sense, but she is now lesbian), Harley Quinn (hers is done 2 X as well), Alan Scott aka OG Green Lantern, etc. Heck they made Tim Drake and Superman Jr bi, just because they have fanfic writers wrote adult fanfics of Tim Drake and Connor Kent doing adult bed stuff, they wrote it when teenagers and they (now adults) still enjoy that with teenage boys.
    Either is annoying that the connectivity is waaay 2 loose between comics. It creates multiple retcons of retcons. Although hacktivists al ewing (whom is buys ruining Venom) should be ignored.
    These 4 things have no set order. A smaller 1 is so many comics have such awful art, that it hurts my eyes even looking at the "art".
    The OG meaning of word queer is best meaning it meant strange/weird. The modern version have multiple version like asexual gay or alternatie for acronym for LGBT (than it SHOULDN'T be part of the acronym) or alternative for acronym LGBTQ (what makes it infinite thing.
    The alphabet ppl hate us the LGBT, they r busy ruining things for us. They r the ones that make LGBT ppl feel bad aboot being gay or bi or trans or lesbian.

  • @reaser-o6b
    @reaser-o6b 13 годин тому

    And the virtue-signaling moments are a no-brainer for what ruins it too.

  • @raiderbear1
    @raiderbear1 14 годин тому

    Awesome work guys

  • @StephenDavis-s1v
    @StephenDavis-s1v 15 годин тому

    Strange that I read a story to see what they do and not who they do. Sure, you know who they do and everything with hetro but that’s to give things high stakes. If they’re gay, that’s all they talk about and do. Night watcher is a huge example. Was raph kicking ass now it’s jennika hurrying to get to her girlfriend because she bashed homophobes.

  • @atchison8145
    @atchison8145 19 годин тому +5

    My top 5 hates in no particular order
    - The never-ending continuity of the Big 2. It doesn't work, and it never will.
    - Race-swapping, sexuality-changing, and gender-swapping characters.
    - Multiple variants of a hero and having said variants operating in the same city. Tell me who is honestly committing a crime in Central City when there are like 8 speedsters? Don't even get me started on Spider-man.
    - Characters are not allowed to age, grow, or die off. They're forever just stuck in limbo. I guess Batman will forever be 30-40 year old until the end of time.
    - All the current "writers" just being a bunch of cultural Marxist hacks with no life experience or morals or understanding of heroism, Wanting to spread their dogshit propaganda instead of wanting to provide entertaining escapism.

  • @johnnydropkicks
    @johnnydropkicks 37 хвилин тому

    _Comics aren’t the same as were 25 years ago and it makes me feel upset._ The fact that you have that username unironically is fascinating.