Watch this before you install your toilet!!!! | Plumbing Explained
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Anytime you pull a toilet and you notice the flange is not at least level with the floor you really should raise the flange up and this is one of the best ways to do it if you are working with ABS or PVC, its very easy you buy a 3x4 stainless steel knockout flange, you cut out the lip on the inside of the original flange and the new 3x4 match will slide right in, apply glue to both the outside of the flange and the inside of the pipe you will be glueing the flange into.
Heres a video where the customer was dealing with the toilet flushing into his ceiling! GUESS WHY?!?!?
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Just had another one that leaked into the ceiling causing electrical problems ua-cam.com/users/shortsDkEmQoG1DAg?feature=share
Now you're loading the pipe, you should have a spacer below the new flange lip.
@@notheisenbear5686 the new flange is mounted to the top of the old flange which is ontop of the original floor, the pipe is not loaded.
We don't fit shitters like that in the UK, outlets are usually from the rear and above the floor.
@@MrWilkes100 I think the way you guys do them is better, it’s more like we do commercial shitters, do your toilets clog often?
@@PlumbingExplained Don't get too many blockages, is the pipe diameter 75mm? we use 100mm over here, only ever see 75mm outlets on the old double trap syphonic shitters, peace bro😁
The man who taught me home remodeling had a great line for homeowners who just wanted quick and cheap: "Well, we can do this and you'll never see me again, or I can start showing you pictures of my kids right now." 😄
Hahaha sounds like a good man!
I dont get it
@@bend4852 he can do it quickly and cheaply where it'll barely last and he won't ever talk them again. Or he can charge his price do such a good job that they become family freinds sorta.
@@chrisd5758 ahhhhhh I get it now lol
@@chrisd5758 I took it the opposite
We can do it the right way and you'll never have to call me again, or we can do it wrong and you can keep calling me back over and over again to keep fixing it... And while I'm there and we become aquatinted I'll show you pictures of my kids as they grow up through the years.
Love people who do it right but people who show others how to do it right are honorable.
Appreciate such a nice comment!
He only did it half right.
There's no backer for the stainless ring, Those Stainless rings, sit on a plastic lip thats part of the fitting.
That plastic lip is nothing to write home about. It's there purely to hold the stainless ring in place. But now it's acting as support for that stainless ring.
He should have done a flange stacker underneath it so Support it but now that he's put screws in it. It's adding extra pressure onto those tiny little lips Which are not designed for that and will eventually fail.
So in short, he did a hack job.
Amen. Nothing but stainless rings! I've replaced too many broken plastic ones.
The plastic ones are terrible man…. I try not to even re use them these days, I’ve had too many times I set a toilet and the damn flange cracks as I’m tightening it to the floor, usually bout 6pm on a Friday
Or the original epoxy paint over steel, that rust out. At least those can be replaced with the two piece SS repair collars
@@michaelnelson7572 Yes I've had the epoxy coated steel rust out in maybe only 7 years or less. I was surprised. New construction on ceramic tile.
No leaks. Air conditioned house. But thering rusted out. ( the epoxy coating peeled off and looked perfect)
I just purchased my first home two years ago. We replaced the toilet right away. A handyman did for me. The flanges were plastic! I knew nothing about toilets or flanges so I thought this was current JUNK. I noticed the handyman screwed the concrete screws too far into the concrete, because the flange would sag at the perimeter of each screw hole. Jerk ruined all kinds of things in my home.
@@PlumbingExplained used to get galvanized for cheap or brass if you gave a rip, or cast iron if you were cheap as F, tho the old cast iron used to last cuz it wasn’t pot metal chineseum cast “iron”
I have to say over the last five years they’ve come out with some revolutionary new ways to seal toilets on the floor
I just did a video on the Korky wax free seal but I’m gonna stick to using wax
They also have flange repair kits that are real helpful instead of chiseling out a broken plastic flange . Had to do one at UGA last week .
This is how true home professionals work. Competency in the trades is becoming a lost art.
Usually the floor is rotten, and there's no where to screw to.
Ever heard about concrete?
I'm sure he's only referring to houses with wood subflooring. Second stories where mentioned in the video.
@@suprememasteroftheuniversesure pour 1/8-1/4 inch of cement and yeah that'll take and hold some screws. If you don't know about concrete, keep it out your mouth for liability issues
@@MrFixIt929 the cement or the shit!? 😂🤢
Ever hear of concrete second story floors?
Commercial plumber here, Good job
Thanks brother, stay safe out there!
@@PlumbingExplained I didn't know it was such a dangerous profession, lol
@stevenglansberg4448
Your last breath could happen at any second.
Was it a great job when he didn't properly clean the train pipe for the new one to glue to it? All that feces won't destroy the bond 😂😂😂
We need more honest plumbers like you to the profession. 👊 Great job.
Thank you!
They make ones that use a 3 Allen key to tighten and when you do the rubber ring expanse.i think it's called a slab flange
Those are great for cast iron
The one you are referencing takes up a lot of real estate inside the pipe. Wouldn’t use it on a 3” pipe.
Those ones with the three Allen heads at expand or no good to put in because they caused lots of stoppages oh, it appears everything catches on them and they're constantly having stop and just with those.
👏👏👏 thank you! Tired of going behind ppl that stack wax rings
I’ve been guilty of it specially in situations when I was newer to the trade, didn’t know any better or didn’t know how to explain to the customer why it was so necessary
This was an easy Job. Usually when they call for toilet issues, and I have to remove the toilet, there is usually woot rot involved. Ive also seen cast iron closet flange that's completely broken/rotted off.
When the wood has completely rotted away it definitely makes things harder….
Not to mention a lead elbow to reinstall to in some older buildings.
Great job. Thank you for mentioning that plunging a toilet can damage the wax ring.
When you secure the flange make sure you use proper screws aka stainless brass or tapcons work
but he had a big uneven gap..whats he doing? and it's not on top of floor..geez all that and wrong..
As a licensed plumber for over 15 years ....good job brother
Appreciate you brother, thanks for the comment
Im sure you use hex head screws when the flange is beveled for a reason dont praise someone if you dont fucking know yourself
Super cool to see people doing thoroughly! Thank you
You’re welcome! Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment
Bruh. Thank you. You know how often I come to do floors and not only have to pour them but also add thinset and tile (sometimes board/membrane) and the ring is already in. It drives me nuts.
agreed..its insane..
Happens a lot bro…
FYI, toilet flanges are made to sit on the finished floor, not slightly above or level with the floor. The toilet manufacturers and wax ring manufacturers know this, which is why they make extra thick wax rings for when you mess up and don't put it ON the floor.
Right. He should have used some kind of spacer to keep the bottom of flange to top of floor
Except when you do that, the bottom of the toilet doesn't have enough recession and it tips/rocks on the flange.
Bullshit. Toilet flanges are built to be made 1/8" proud of floor. Youre doing it wrong
I add two wax rings if the toilet flange is not above the floor but never on a 2nd story.and I grout my toilets to ensure no rock
They also sell kits to raise up see articles ..diffo thickens plates to raise it up..
Great job, great rationale. The knock on effects of a "cheap" job when it fails are rarely worth it. I like how you explained how the wax rings will likely fail in this situation - a happy customer is also an informed one! Cheers.
Thank you! I just want to help inform people that’s my main goal with this channel is to help inform people. Thanks for leaving a comment!
Its fun to see the after, i only install new plumbing once someone uses it i wont touch it! Hats off to the guys that do
Yea I always say hats off to the new construction guys! Thanks for leaving a great comment brother
Most toilets are piped in 3" ABS or PVC pipe and some flange that fits inside 3" pipe has too much restriction. Unless existing flange has rusted away, I just stack up extension rings. Also, there are wax free toilet seals that can accommodate low flanges. As a remodeler, bigger problem I come across is where toilet flange is too high. This is usually the case when mud floor is removed. When flange is too high, there is no other way other than replacing flange. Relatively easy when it is plastic. Quiet a job when it is cast iron.
Most toilets are plumbed in 4” not 3”. Three inch pipe is the minimum allowed for toilets but it’s not recommended, maybe the newer houses in areas where they’re trying to conserve water that only allows the low flow toilets are building new homes using 3” but that’s not a good idea in my opinion.
@@PlumbingExplained Maybe that is the case in your area, but around here (MD, VA, DC), toilets are plumbed in 3" unless it is old cast iron. 4" is rarely found in residential buildings, and usually used underground only.
@@PlumbingExplained most toilets are plumbed in 3" unless underground.
Maybe in some places people just take bigger dumps.. 😂 All the toilets we deal with in California are 4 inch
@@Reno420alex do you have basements?
That's a cool looking Chrome flange!
Ty very much. I installed a new wax ring on my toilet last year and tore the floor out and replaced the linoleum only for it to leak again. This was the exact issue. I will redo that and save $2,000 in lumber.
Appreciate you bro
The cleanliness. Thank you.
This is why in the UK our toilets exit out the rear of the toilet not the bottom then the stench pipe is outside
Ive always been curious about the way you guys run your toilets, thats how we do Urinals, Are all your toilets pressure assisted or gravity flush?
We have the same cistern as you do but our exit from the Toilet is out the back rather than the base so the pipe goes through the wall rather than the floor. I believe we have less water in the pan as well. Does make replacing a toilet so much easier as you remove the 2 hold down bolts, disconect the cistern and gently pull it away removing the toilet from the pipe seal. (I'm not a plumber but I hafe fitted a toilet or 2)
@@derekwright3896 It’s always interesting to me how there are so many different solutions for the same job depending what part of the world you live in.
We have rear outlet toilets too
@@derekwright3896we do have rear outlet gravity flush toilets in the US . Typically they are used in remodels where there are a couple of hindrances to using a bottom outlet toilet . Just not a common a design here . As a plumber , these types of toilets have one drawback . When the flange seal becomes worn , sewer water gets to making a mess in areas that bottom flush toilets usually don't.
Either design is great , if installed correctly . Just an application thing .
I wish I could find someone in my area that did quality work like this. 😒
What area you in?
yeah me too, I'm in Northern Colorado
A lot of do it yourselfers that cannot find a guy like this are paying attention.
I don’t have any plumbing work needed to be done, I just come here because I like watching
That's extremely great information to learn, I will definitely remember that, thank you for posting your video 😊
You’re welcome
22 years plumbing I’ve never blown out a wax ring.
because they dont call you back to fix it
That’s like a 20yr mechanic implying engines don’t blow up just because they’ve never done an engine swap
@@babushkaboi7288 there’s always these guys in every comment section of every video brother, I’d hope nobody that understands anything about plumbing would ever blow out a wax ring lol a plumber should never be using a plunger to clear a toilet stoppage either.
@@PlumbingExplained not to downplay your plumbing intelligence but 90% of the time a plunger works for a toilet clog. hence why they exist. if you don't start with a plunger then you are wasting your own time and money. not everything needs to be rammed every time there is a clog. it is truly idiotic to think a plunger that is specifically designed to remove a clog which 9/10 times is just in the flange of the bowl itself because of the 2" trap spillway catching paper shouldn't be used.
-source a journeyman plumber with years experience. if you just clean drains you are not a plumber...
42 years of pooping I've blown an o-ring or two.
No one uses "jumbo" wax rings? I use them for every install...
I use them but flange needs to be resting ontop of floor not below
@@PlumbingExplained The flange needs to be flush with the floor. If it's high. The toilet will rock and you'll have to shim it. And even that won't be right...So if you've tiles and the flange is now below flush with the flooring. You use extra thick wax ring or equivalent. By the way. Those thin stainless steel flanges are too weak and bend. So if the flange is too high and you tighten the toilet bolts. You'll never get the pedistal tight to the floor and when someone heavy sits on it. The toilet will spin breaking the seal of the wax ring.
@@PlumbingExplained Supposed to be but is not always hence, extra thick wax.
Thank you for not putting on a shitty voice for people that dislike your work, keep doing good vids
was in flooring for years. I did this. have to be careful with toilets it's not out of sight out of mind. well done
I’m guilty of having done it many times as well but the more you know, the better you can provide a service for your customers that helps them
Momma always says " There's only Two things to know to be a Plunber " Shit Don't Run Uphill ", and Payday is on Friday " ,,, 😅
Landlords always say to just use more wax rings and get irate when you fix the flange.
It’s crazy too because it’s their home that’s gonna be damaged when the rings inevitably fail… specially with renters
@Plumbing Explained I've used those thick korky foam rings a few times. Not sure how they age but they're great for few years at least.
@@drphosferrousthey make these black foam rings maybe youve seen them?? They also make 1 thats 50% bigger and also a double thickness. Theyve never let me down and its been 12 years. But dont double up 2 of the regular ones because they can leak between each other
@@masterpaine9161 Ive used the korky ones many times. I've always been curious how they hold up over time. thx
I always hated living below people in apartments, I am the type of person that will entertain the worst imaginable scenarios
Made this repair for a homeowner not too long ago . They were out of town and had no idea how bad it was. I was redoing their floor. As a thank you they didn't pay me.
I have a flange that is in the basement that is just below the floor. Wax rings work for about a year. I didn't think of replacing it but your video helped me assess that possibility and I think I just might collect my tools again.
They sell kits to raise up flange look it up..flange should be on top of floor.. if wax fails you got movement..shim it.. plastic ones fine..
@@Peter-td3yk Solid advice that I have taken and ordered what I need. Amazon...
Change the screws to stainless
I’m new to plumbing. Why use stainless
@@breakfasttacos8087 so if the wax ring starts to fail the screws won’t rot out. I’ve pulled flanges with rotted sheet rock screws and zinc screws many times
We use the nonblow out wax. They tested it with 4 wax rings tall. Witch came to 3 inches tall. It took 98 psi tell it blew out. So no plunger will make that much psi
you have to remembe its a 4" or 3" drain line and when theres a stoppage and its holding water some people plunge like their life is depending on it... Its gonna create a leak theres no debating this, Ive been doing this every day for the last 20 years of my life, since before I even graduated highschool I have met the engineers behind the rubber seals, I was at Fluidmaster with a group of plumbers discussing the product with the people that created it before and after it went on the market im fully aware of the product and its capabilities, I still prefer wax.
They tested the psi when useing plungers 🪠 . The one that takes the co2 cartridges had the most with 12 psi.... u realize how much 90 psi is? No way u can get that much out of a plunger
@Joe Drake guarantee I can get more than 12psi out of a hand plunger after stuffing my dates toilet 🪠 😅
@@deputydan2226 you are legit the funniest guy in the comment section every time brother! When I drop my shirts and stickers im gonna hook you up.
Good job. That's called taking care of your customers and making sure you are the go-to plumber in the future
Really great video and detailed explanation. Thanks for all the work and making it
Thank you so much for such a great comment!
how long have stainless flanges been around?
As long as I’ve been plumbing so at least 20 years
Well done! Good Job!!!
Thank you!
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No, i don’t charge my customers for pointless bs for “reasons” . Why do you think they make extra thick wax rings for? You would be surprised by how much psi a wax ring can take when installed properly. The ones we tested broke between 90 something and 110 psi.
@@PlumbingExplained lol ok, thanks for proving my point, we have plenty of your type in the industry who rip people off for no reason. Guys like you are why people hate real plumbers. Stick to UA-cam capt ripoff, it seems you’re better at making videos than plumbing buttercup.
@@nickkirschner3719 I can’t take you seriously, I don’t think the content I make is suited for you, I’d probably stop watching and commenting.
@@PlumbingExplained your content is made to mess homeowner’s up so they have to call a licensed contractor. Maybe you made it to make yourself feel better about ripping off your customers, Who knows ?
Yes except i use stainless or coated screws🤘
every job has its cool tips and tricks and this is one of them. Nice engineering bucko!
I use stackable flanges pasco sells them. I’ve never had issues with them for over 30yrs .. but you did a awesome repair job there I agree nothing but stainless steel flanges…
Sitting in an uneven toilet is just what I need👍🏻
I use to try and decipher comments like this.
@@PlumbingExplained can tell he’s probably never even changed out a water heater 🤔
Waxless seals are the future. I haven't used wax in years. FERNCO 3" OR 4". They can be harder to get a good seal on a used toilet so you have to make sure you clean all the old wax off the toilet
Wait, people stack wax rings on top of each other?
Thanks for this video ! Educational if people pay attention !
Thank you! I appreciate your comment very much!! All I can do is provide the information, it’s up to them to decide what to do with it, Kind of like a learn from my mistakes type approach.
Stainless steel is highly resistant to rust and corrosion though it's not entirely rust proof.
Thank you for explaining and giving value to your videos
Great advice, especially in an older house.
Definitely!!! Thanks for leaving a comment!
Appreciate your videos man. Keep up the great content. Also ordered Mark Foley’s foot pedal for my K-9 12. Can’t wait to use it.
finally a video with COMMON SCENSE
Great advise my friend. Knowledgeable information here folks👍
Love that tip because every one else says use a double thick ring. You’re doing it right!
I’m so glad I just found your page
I’m glad you found it too!
Stainless rings, stainless screws…and support the ring..the plumbing may move as most of the DWV are direct connected to the flange…your in ABS country, we stopped the use in the 80s here, some manufactured housing later…but the toilets require a secure attachment to keep seal integrity…
Thank you. I needed that info.
I'm so glad that this is NOT how toilets are done in the UK, the piping almost always goes out the back of the pan through the wall of building into the waste water stack, NEVER into a floor space. The only exceptions are were the waste pipe is cast into a concrete floor or the toilet pan discharges into a Saniflo/Pump-grinder with the discharge pipe work runs above floor level through the wall of building into the waste water stack and boxed in.
That’s how a lot of commercial toilets are done here and I’ve noticed some toilet brands are trying to bring that drain out the back style toilets over here too
Thanks for explaining that.
Excellent video and advice.
Needed this vid like 3 months ago. We had a plumber fix it but I don't know if e used the raiser I'm worried he only used wax.
Great tip!!!!
Absolutely perfect 👌
Great explanation
"Tap it down until it's flush..." I see what you did there!
You mean the way it keeps popping up on the other side?
Good on you for doing such a top job. There is a lot of dodgy tradesmen out there. Would definitely get you to do my jobs. 🙏
Thank you so much for your comment!! Have a great day!
Great job man.
2 years of a wobbly toilet , I can't thank you enough dawg
It's really easier to do the right thing, good vid.
Great advice!
Subflooring began swelling in a bathroom I guess had never been used much by previous owners.
When I took off the toilet, the flange was below the floor and the wax ring still retained the shape it had in the box it came in. 🤬
Happens all the damn time man, just had a customer Tuesday where she used the flooring guy to install her toilet because I wanted to charge to raise the flange, the toilet backed up that night and flooded out the entire bottom floor of all the new flooring, no water ontop the floor it all was just underneath the new flooring…
Excellent idea.
Definitely gotta raise that flange usually put a spacer in there to the flange isn't fliating
Oh nice that's helpful and awesome man.
Finally a yt plumber who knows what he's doing lol.
Thank you bro!
PLUNGING blows out the wax rings! Well hell, you just explained away one of the mysteries of the universe to me. THANK YOU!
When the clog isn’t isolated to the toilet, if the clog is down in the drain line and you over plunge the pressure has to go somewhere, the wax is typically the weakest point
Thnx 4 the tip I'm doing this tomarrow
You sound like the guy who describes how a plumbis is made 😂😂 with the way you narrated the vid 😂
3 inch insert chokes down the pipe where your apt to get a plug. Only choke a 3 inch pipe down if there's no other option. Otherwise do it right an replace it with a coupling, new pipe an flange. Be sure to use screws that don't rot also. Everyone is mentioning stainless. .. but it won't matter if the screws rot out. I'd suggest exterior deck screws.
U did good by leaving the flange flush withe floor .many plumbers leave it about n that can create a leak.
Perfection is always a good thing 👍
I use acrylic spacers cut on a glow forge to raise the flange to where it needs to be and stub down as needed to connect to the old pipe.
I’ve used the spacers before, they’re ok but I like actually raising the flange. Appreciate you leaving a comment on how you do it!
@@PlumbingExplained I didn’t know they were commercially available. Mine are custom made using the floor flange as the template. The drawing goes from the computer to the laser so I get an exact fit. I’ll look for the store ones.
I rent from a Crackhouse 😂😂😂 I'm more concerned about my floors caving in, seriously 😂
This is very true. Don't use blue glue. Use plenty of fresh ABS glue on ABS pipe and PVC glue on PVC pipe. It lubricates the connection so you can get the right level without applying too much pressure. Fasten with bevel head tap-cons or S.S. beveled heads.
Good job!
Good job thanks
Thank you for the tips.
U explained it just how my dad did. He called them lazy plumbers
The older guys are just built different, very fortunate to have learned from some great plumbers
this is the correct way to do it m. I can't tell you many how many times the customer had their bathroom tiled by someone which in effect lowered the closet flange and then the toilet leaked after installation. so this is the correct way. They do make flange spacers which you can use one or two of those and it works in a pinch also
This is how professionals do it! 😊
Good tip!
Good stuff!
Great job
Good job brother.
I wish my plumber knew what he was doing too