Same. I feel for her, but I’ve been aware throughout the entire movie that she was the problem. Pretty selfish, Van be over reactive, and acts on emotion, not logic. She can be irrational. I’d like to thing by the end, she actively tries to work on repairing her relationships and trying to become a better person, but if it was real life, I wouldn’t have too much faith in that lmao
@@myajanette She’s a teenager with a mental disorder that she’s medicated for after going through a traumatic experience like losing a parent. She clearly has something like BPD. All of her tantrums are essentially cries for help that most everyone in her life ignores.
i didn't think she was the problem, sure she was selfish but she was made to represent "every tennager" meaning selfish, emotional, reckless etc. she was getting bullied as a kid and was anxious to go to school while her brother had plenty of friends wich explains how their rivality grew and why she felt betrayed when her best friend started dating him and also left her alone at the party then left her for other friends. i think she was mostly entitled to her feelings
She is definitely selfish and manipulative but I think she is valid in her feelings about her brother/ best friend’s relationship. Though it was a dramatic/manipulative comparison, I do think her comparing her friend dating her brother to her dating the father made sense. We aren’t aware of what type of relationship Krista has with her father. For all we know it could be a similar dynamic to Nadine and Darian’s relationship. But I think the overall point of her dramatic comparison was to say there are boundaries you don’t cross with friends. Nadine clearly has (one-sided) issues with her brother that she has expressed to her best friend. Despite this Krista still gets with Darian, and this is rightfully seen as a betrayal. Of all the people in the world my best friend chooses my brother? That’s messed up.
If i was in her place, i might have just stopped talking to my best friend after that. I wouldn't have told her to choose because we know the answer to that. Who would you choose - a misrable depressing friend who doesn't like to go outside or a hot, handsome greek god-like man. Idk why, even though she forgives them a little towards the end, i still feel awful for her.
finally someone said it. well her hate for her brother seemed one sided and mostly came from her being an outcast and him ahving it easy but also her brother never hang with her until he started dating her friend nor help her make friends when it was obvious she was struggling socialy, so i guess she was somewhat entitled to hate him
Nadine and her brother didnt really seem that close in fact they didn't really seem like they even liked each other so obviously she gonna have a problem with it. If it was a different dynamic and Nadine and her brother were close she might've been cool with it and if she had other friends she might've even been happy about it. That whole situation could've played out way better if Nadine was a different person... a happier person and I think that was big point in the film
I kinda thought her apologising first was out of pocket. Firstly, I think she was too quick in overlooking at what her “friend” and family did to her. It felt unrealistic to sympathise with that in a day. Secondly, she also deserved an apology from them because they refused to reason with her despite her poor mental state. I feel like we should not overlook what the others did to her especially Krista
I know, but krista did apologize a thousand times. It's her brother who underestimated how hurtful his actions were, but i understand him, too. Still, he should've apologized but nobody's perfect
I think the point of the movie is to highlight these attitude problems and mental health issues in Nadine, and press us as the audience to try to empathize, understand, and attempt to relate to her and recognize her humanness in our own. It also gives us storyline where we can glimpse into various circumstances in her life that may be causing this stress for her, and most importantly, we get to see character development and watch her grow. I don't think we are expected to excuse her teenage attitude problems, but understand them, and appreciate her growth. I hear that you are able to empathize to an extent, but you felt the need to reiterate that her meltdowns were disrespectful and sh*tty. True, but definitely not the point of the movie or her character.
Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and opinions. This movie does an amazing job of showing different perspective to different people and it is fascinating that we can have a conversation about it :)
I definitely agree that she was manipulative and cruel to those around her, but I don't agree with the "all she needed was to be called out" take. She doesn't just respond to her teacher because of his firm boundaries, she responds because he genuinely tries to connect with and look out for her. They already had a good rapport because she was one of his favorite students, which is something he also says to her during their lunches. She didn't need to be coddled, but she also didn't need another person just telling her what's wrong with her, she already got that from plenty of people. She needed honesty in tandem with actual care. Her terrible behaviors were stemming from feeling like she lost one of the only people that cared about her and fearing that she's about to lose the other , so someone letting her know there will be more people that care about her is more impactful than another person just saying "this is why people don't like you". Overall, while I do agree with a lot of the points made in the video, I think calling her a problem and a b*tch is a bit harsh. She went through the death of a loved one at an already difficult age, and the support system she had left weren't really able to be there for her, whether because of their own grief or just also being young. In the flashback to when she was younger, its clear that her "rebellious streak" is coming from not feeling accepted at school, not being a naturally difficult person that just wanted to cause problems for her mother. That's why her father was better with her, he actually tried to talk with her and understand her (like her teacher as well) instead of just writing off her behavior or trying to control her. Even if she was more difficult to deal with than her brother, its still both her parents' responsibilities to love and care for her, so her mom showing the obvious favoritism she did would understandably cause Nadine to feel bad about herself. And although her brother wasn't a bad guy and didn't antagonize her, he also didn't defend her or try to include her. Again, even in the flashback, he's ignoring her and playing video games. Its not like he mistreats her, but he doesn't really try to support or even hang out with her either. It makes sense that she feels lonely and unwanted around them, and it makes sense that she would resent that, because that dynamic was in place even before her dad's death. So I guess TD;DR: she's not a problem, she has some problems, she needed more than "tough love", and her family really wasn't giving her the emotional support she needed from the beginning.
I don't think she was the problem, but people were complicated . For instance the mother if i remembered, shouldn't play favoritism after the death of the father, in a dynamic between a teenager and an adult, thats pretty unfair in my opinion, if they were of the same level, i'd get it. Its true a lot of playing the victim makes the main character unlikeable, but not all of it is in her head.
Right, a lot of her behavior stemmed from loneliness and inadequacy, but its not like those feelings came from nowhere. Its great that she was able to come to resolve her cruelty to others though
Krista wasnt a good friend, she basically invalidated Nadines feelings & made it seem like she was just being dramatic, like youre legit her only friend, the only thing she had to herself that she felt was going well in her life, & her “spoiled”, high performing, mommys little angel of a brother got everything he wanted & was always treated better & favorited by her mother, even when her dad perished, so she had every right to be upset that her freaking brother slept with her literal only friend. Like technically she cant get in the way of it, but they couldve taken into consideration how she felt & at least offered her an apology, & Krista literally abandoned her at the party for people she didnt know, like knowing how socially awkward your literal best friend was, she couldve at least conversated with her more, or included her more.
I gotta go on a little rant here. Krista is a terrible Person. What kind of sick person gives their best friends brother a handjob? That is disgusting and wrong. She’s been best friends with Nadine and is clearly aware that her and Darien hate each other. She should’ve known that Nadine would not take that well at all. In the scene where they’re at McDonald’s, Nadine, like any normal person, kept asking what happened that led to that. Then, out of nowhere, Krista “explodes” and says “Stop talking please!! You’re driving me crazy”. No shit she’s driving you crazy. You literally gave her brother a handjob and you don’t care about how she feels. Krista also ditches Nadine at the party to be with the cool kids. Yes, Krista can have other friends. That’s all fine and good. But she’s aware that Nadine is terrible at socializing with other people and doesn’t even invite her to join them. What was the point of having her come to the party if she was gonna ditch her? Also, she seems to clearly be okay with her and Nadine’s friendship ending. When Nadine says their friendship is over, Krista literally says, “Alright” and walks away with no hesitation. I’m sorry, i would NEVER abandon my best friend like that. If I ever had feelings for one of his siblings, I’d talk to him about it. The last thing I’d wanna do is jeopardize our friendship. Bros before hoes. It makes me wonder why Krista was Nadine’s best friend for so long if she was willing to abandon her just like that. Also, why did she suddenly start having feelings for Darien out of nowhere? She’s known the guy for years and clearly seen that’s he’s an asshole. She was willing to abandon her best friend to be in a relationship with an asshole? When Krista tells Nadine that he asked her to Prom in May, she says it in this seduced and romantic way. Judging from the weather in this movie, it appears that it takes place around November. I’m sorry, asking someone to Prom that far in advance is not romantic. It’s creepy af.
This is film is an unmitigated masterpiece. Hailee owns this role like a boss. It is the closest to a John Hughes film in the modern era you are going to get while being its own thing and having a distinct voice all ita own. The three greatest teen films of this millennium are Mean Girls 2005, 2010's Easy A and this one, The Edge Of Seventeen, whose release date I have no idea was as I discovered it in the chaos tsunami that is todays fractured state of contemporary cinema that's no longer the leading medium form of culture or media that it has been it's first hundred years. So, thank you for creating a video to shed much deserved light on this buried jewel of a cinematic opus.
I don’t think your essay is completely fair. She has a rowdy spirit and abandonment issues from her father dying. She pretty much just has BPD and has to learn how to deal with her emotions in a healthy way. She’s paranoid about people abandoning her which is why she’s manipulative it’s a defense mechanism so the person will chose her or she can act outraged at the refusal and end the relationship before she’s “abandoned” herself. She ends it on her terms, but still ends up feeling alone. She *has* a problem she’s not *the* problem. And it’s one of the issues I have with the ending of this movie. It’s shown multiple times she’s dealing with a bit of misogyny from her mother. Favoring her brother from a young age, telling her how a girl should act, and without her father no one is on her side. Her brother also acts like the “head” of the house afterwards like he is the dominant one lording over his mother and sister like it’s the olden days. Her mother is effectively “lost” without her husband. If she’s not compassionate to her family who already has a bias against her she’s viewed as selfish when in reality her brother acting like he knows best and is the only one in their family capable of good decision making. He takes away a lot of her “competency and autonomy.” And whether that’s because she’s young or because she’s a girl is unclear. Him going over her head to date her best friend IS extremely disrespectful and undermining her as a person he’s supposed to be close with or equal to. Same with her friend. Having this secret because they both perceive her as being unable to handle this. (Which they’re right she can’t handle it emotionally, but it’s still undermining her intellectually). It’s disrespectful and shows they have communication issues and don’t respect her feelings. There’s nothing wrong with her feeling threatened by that either, it’s simply how she feels. How she manipulates her friend with an ultimatum is what’s toxic, but she has to learn how to communicate with these people who already don’t communicate with her honestly like she’s an intellectual equal, which is how a manipulative personality is formed. At the end of the day all she needed was empathy. Where I have problems with the movie is because it depicts the brother, nice guy, and male teacher as her “guides” it comes off very misogynistic and “Taming of the Shrew”-esque. It’s another story used to tell girls their resentment towards the life they have is unjustified and they simply need to calm down and find the right guy(s) to teach them how to behave properly and if you behave you’ll be treated correctly and rewarded in society with friends and love. This wouldn’t have been the vibe had the teacher been a woman, or the sibling be a sister who the best friend just thinks is super cool or something, but because of the choice in gender and the fact in the end she has to appease all the men and their feelings before she can feel fulfilled herself is a huge red flag. I understand learning the hard way about being “scared straight,” but that in itself is manipulative to the audience, that this is what you become if you’re too head strong and go after what you want and not what is “nice.” Women are always told to be kind, tolerant, and nice. And in this movie it perpetuates the mindset girls don’t know what’s right for them, they’re too impulsive, crazy, and desperate because of their absent father figure, so let’s show all these male stand-ins that’ll set her straight. Familial male guide. Old wise man guide, and romantic love guide are all the bases that are covered with the “daddy issues” trope. Men telling her what is best for her are right and just listen to them, because they actually want what’s best for you. The women who cater to men (her mom, best friend, and teacher’s wife) reinforcing the idea that she just needs to chill out listen to these guys. All 3 of which she ends up apologizing and following at the end, because oh look how great they are and right about you they were. And not to mention the mom not being able to function without the husband and the brother standing in for the husband. She’s told to settle for these stand-ins for her father. I do like how she learns how to be less manipulative by the end. But she asked for help before she hit that low point to which she was effectively neglected emotionally until she was forced to be more docile and accommodating for them to really care. I think it could’ve been more meaningful with a female teacher or if she didn’t have to end up with a guy at all by the end. Also if the teacher maybe showed compassion and concern earlier not with the “I’ll let you crash and burn, then you’ll come crawling to me” attitude. I think we’re long past the point of needing another Tame the Misbehaving Woman movie. We need to start understanding the misbehaving woman and get her counseling. That’s all she needed from the start. But instead her needs and cries for help and behavior were neglected or ignored in one way or another. She’s already medicated, but people were not understanding to her when they really should’ve been but this is played off as “shock humor” coming from the teacher or family. I think the only reason her character gravitated towards the teacher is because he was at least not pretending to care like her family does. That’s why his caring towards her in the end was so effective, because she knew it was genuine where he typically wouldn’t bother. He recognized the severity of her mental state and sought to mend the fragments of her life she was missing. (A little late though)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this movie. I guess, we just see this movie quite differently and I'm glad you shared your opinions on what you felt about Nadine. I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts on my other videos too.
@@bubbles4897 She takes meds for her depression and anxiety and she has common forms of BPD, I’m not diagnosing her, I’m pointing out similarities she has with people who have this disorder. Particularly her mood swings and impulses and abandonment issues paired with narcissism. It’s not playing doctor to try and humanize and understand her mental issues.
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 you literally diagnosed her though. You straight up said she had BPD. that’s what you said. and just bcus she has similar tendencies to BPD does not mean she has the disorder. you are playing doctor. you can try to humanize and understand her without diagnosing Jesus Christ
I completely agree with you. It bothered me that only Nadine had to apologize and not her brother and mother who didn't even try to understand, or sympathize with her. We see from the flashback that her mom favors her brother when the parents are taking the kids to school that her brother is more extroverted and happy to go, but Nadine is more introverted and scared. Her mom yells at her to get out of the car instead of understanding her daughter was scared and nervous. (correct me if I'm wrong it's been a bit since I watched) I also have personally experienced a friend dating a relative, and it's not fun, so I thought her reaction to it was kinda how I felt, though Nadine's friend was nicer about it than my former friend.
I never looked at this movie this way! Such a good video essay, AND the EDITING, crazy too! pls keep doing these! And if u take suggestions, I'd love to hear what you think of Euphoria
Thaaaaank you. I came away from that movie in shock like, 'how was I ever supposed to be able to empathize with a character like this? she's terrible to everyone.'
You didn't say anything the movie didn't present and instead of giving a good analysis and pointing out the internalized misogyny of the movie you exaggerated her character but you're funny
I gotta go on a little rant here. Krista is a terrible Person. What kind of sick person gives their best friends brother a handjob? That is disgusting and wrong. She’s been best friends with Nadine and is clearly aware that her and Darien hate each other. She should’ve known that Nadine would not take that well at all. In the scene where they’re at McDonald’s, Nadine, like any normal person, kept asking what happened that led to that. Then, out of nowhere, Krista “explodes” and says “Stop talking please!! You’re driving me crazy”. No shit she’s driving you crazy. You literally gave her brother a handjob and you don’t care about how she feels. Krista also ditches Nadine at the party to be with the cool kids. Yes, Krista can have other friends. That’s all fine and good. But she’s aware that Nadine is terrible at socializing with other people and doesn’t even invite her to join them. What was the point of having her come to the party if she was gonna ditch her? Also, she seems to clearly be okay with her and Nadine’s friendship ending. When Nadine says their friendship is over, Krista literally says, “Alright” and walks away with no hesitation. I’m sorry, i would NEVER abandon my best friend like that. If I ever had feelings for one of his siblings, I’d talk to him about it. The last thing I’d wanna do is jeopardize our friendship. Bros before hoes. It makes me wonder why Krista was Nadine’s best friend for so long if she was willing to abandon her just like that. Also, why did she suddenly start having feelings for Darien out of nowhere? She’s known the guy for years and clearly seen that’s he’s an asshole. She was willing to abandon her best friend to be in a relationship with an asshole? When Krista tells Nadine that he asked her to Prom in May, she says it in this seduced and romantic way. Judging from the weather in this movie, it appears that it takes place around November. I’m sorry, asking someone to Prom that far in advance is not romantic. It’s creepy af.
Bro I've ALWAYS thought she was the problem
Same. I feel for her, but I’ve been aware throughout the entire movie that she was the problem. Pretty selfish, Van be over reactive, and acts on emotion, not logic. She can be irrational. I’d like to thing by the end, she actively tries to work on repairing her relationships and trying to become a better person, but if it was real life, I wouldn’t have too much faith in that lmao
@@myajanette She’s a teenager with a mental disorder that she’s medicated for after going through a traumatic experience like losing a parent. She clearly has something like BPD. All of her tantrums are essentially cries for help that most everyone in her life ignores.
i didn't think she was the problem, sure she was selfish but she was made to represent "every tennager" meaning selfish, emotional, reckless etc. she was getting bullied as a kid and was anxious to go to school while her brother had plenty of friends wich explains how their rivality grew and why she felt betrayed when her best friend started dating him and also left her alone at the party then left her for other friends. i think she was mostly entitled to her feelings
She is definitely selfish and manipulative but I think she is valid in her feelings about her brother/ best friend’s relationship. Though it was a dramatic/manipulative comparison, I do think her comparing her friend dating her brother to her dating the father made sense.
We aren’t aware of what type of relationship Krista has with her father. For all we know it could be a similar dynamic to Nadine and Darian’s relationship. But I think the overall point of her dramatic comparison was to say there are boundaries you don’t cross with friends. Nadine clearly has (one-sided) issues with her brother that she has expressed to her best friend. Despite this Krista still gets with Darian, and this is rightfully seen as a betrayal. Of all the people in the world my best friend chooses my brother? That’s messed up.
If i was in her place, i might have just stopped talking to my best friend after that. I wouldn't have told her to choose because we know the answer to that. Who would you choose - a misrable depressing friend who doesn't like to go outside or a hot, handsome greek god-like man.
Idk why, even though she forgives them a little towards the end, i still feel awful for her.
finally someone said it. well her hate for her brother seemed one sided and mostly came from her being an outcast and him ahving it easy but also her brother never hang with her until he started dating her friend nor help her make friends when it was obvious she was struggling socialy, so i guess she was somewhat entitled to hate him
Nadine and her brother didnt really seem that close in fact they didn't really seem like they even liked each other so obviously she gonna have a problem with it. If it was a different dynamic and Nadine and her brother were close she might've been cool with it and if she had other friends she might've even been happy about it. That whole situation could've played out way better if Nadine was a different person... a happier person and I think that was big point in the film
I kinda thought her apologising first was out of pocket. Firstly, I think she was too quick in overlooking at what her “friend” and family did to her. It felt unrealistic to sympathise with that in a day. Secondly, she also deserved an apology from them because they refused to reason with her despite her poor mental state.
I feel like we should not overlook what the others did to her especially Krista
Yes, thank you!
I know, but krista did apologize a thousand times. It's her brother who underestimated how hurtful his actions were, but i understand him, too. Still, he should've apologized but nobody's perfect
she was a problem but not THE problem.
I think the point of the movie is to highlight these attitude problems and mental health issues in Nadine, and press us as the audience to try to empathize, understand, and attempt to relate to her and recognize her humanness in our own. It also gives us storyline where we can glimpse into various circumstances in her life that may be causing this stress for her, and most importantly, we get to see character development and watch her grow. I don't think we are expected to excuse her teenage attitude problems, but understand them, and appreciate her growth. I hear that you are able to empathize to an extent, but you felt the need to reiterate that her meltdowns were disrespectful and sh*tty. True, but definitely not the point of the movie or her character.
I definitely enjoyed hearing your other thoughts on the movie. I mean no disrespect, I just thought I should share my thoughts.
Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and opinions. This movie does an amazing job of showing different perspective to different people and it is fascinating that we can have a conversation about it :)
I definitely agree that she was manipulative and cruel to those around her, but I don't agree with the "all she needed was to be called out" take. She doesn't just respond to her teacher because of his firm boundaries, she responds because he genuinely tries to connect with and look out for her. They already had a good rapport because she was one of his favorite students, which is something he also says to her during their lunches. She didn't need to be coddled, but she also didn't need another person just telling her what's wrong with her, she already got that from plenty of people. She needed honesty in tandem with actual care. Her terrible behaviors were stemming from feeling like she lost one of the only people that cared about her and fearing that she's about to lose the other , so someone letting her know there will be more people that care about her is more impactful than another person just saying "this is why people don't like you".
Overall, while I do agree with a lot of the points made in the video, I think calling her a problem and a b*tch is a bit harsh. She went through the death of a loved one at an already difficult age, and the support system she had left weren't really able to be there for her, whether because of their own grief or just also being young. In the flashback to when she was younger, its clear that her "rebellious streak" is coming from not feeling accepted at school, not being a naturally difficult person that just wanted to cause problems for her mother. That's why her father was better with her, he actually tried to talk with her and understand her (like her teacher as well) instead of just writing off her behavior or trying to control her. Even if she was more difficult to deal with than her brother, its still both her parents' responsibilities to love and care for her, so her mom showing the obvious favoritism she did would understandably cause Nadine to feel bad about herself. And although her brother wasn't a bad guy and didn't antagonize her, he also didn't defend her or try to include her. Again, even in the flashback, he's ignoring her and playing video games. Its not like he mistreats her, but he doesn't really try to support or even hang out with her either. It makes sense that she feels lonely and unwanted around them, and it makes sense that she would resent that, because that dynamic was in place even before her dad's death.
So I guess TD;DR: she's not a problem, she has some problems, she needed more than "tough love", and her family really wasn't giving her the emotional support she needed from the beginning.
I don't think she was the problem, but people were complicated .
For instance the mother if i remembered, shouldn't play favoritism after the death of the father, in a dynamic between a teenager and an adult, thats pretty unfair in my opinion, if they were of the same level, i'd get it.
Its true a lot of playing the victim makes the main character unlikeable, but not all of it is in her head.
Right, a lot of her behavior stemmed from loneliness and inadequacy, but its not like those feelings came from nowhere. Its great that she was able to come to resolve her cruelty to others though
Krista wasnt a good friend, she basically invalidated Nadines feelings & made it seem like she was just being dramatic, like youre legit her only friend, the only thing she had to herself that she felt was going well in her life, & her “spoiled”, high performing, mommys little angel of a brother got everything he wanted & was always treated better & favorited by her mother, even when her dad perished, so she had every right to be upset that her freaking brother slept with her literal only friend. Like technically she cant get in the way of it, but they couldve taken into consideration how she felt & at least offered her an apology, & Krista literally abandoned her at the party for people she didnt know, like knowing how socially awkward your literal best friend was, she couldve at least conversated with her more, or included her more.
I gotta go on a little rant here. Krista is a terrible Person. What kind of sick person gives their best friends brother a handjob? That is disgusting and wrong. She’s been best friends with Nadine and is clearly aware that her and Darien hate each other. She should’ve known that Nadine would not take that well at all. In the scene where they’re at McDonald’s, Nadine, like any normal person, kept asking what happened that led to that. Then, out of nowhere, Krista “explodes” and says “Stop talking please!! You’re driving me crazy”. No shit she’s driving you crazy. You literally gave her brother a handjob and you don’t care about how she feels. Krista also ditches Nadine at the party to be with the cool kids. Yes, Krista can have other friends. That’s all fine and good. But she’s aware that Nadine is terrible at socializing with other people and doesn’t even invite her to join them. What was the point of having her come to the party if she was gonna ditch her? Also, she seems to clearly be okay with her and Nadine’s friendship ending. When Nadine says their friendship is over, Krista literally says, “Alright” and walks away with no hesitation. I’m sorry, i would NEVER abandon my best friend like that. If I ever had feelings for one of his siblings, I’d talk to him about it. The last thing I’d wanna do is jeopardize our friendship. Bros before hoes. It makes me wonder why Krista was Nadine’s best friend for so long if she was willing to abandon her just like that. Also, why did she suddenly start having feelings for Darien out of nowhere? She’s known the guy for years and clearly seen that’s he’s an asshole. She was willing to abandon her best friend to be in a relationship with an asshole? When Krista tells Nadine that he asked her to Prom in May, she says it in this seduced and romantic way. Judging from the weather in this movie, it appears that it takes place around November. I’m sorry, asking someone to Prom that far in advance is not romantic. It’s creepy af.
This is film is an unmitigated masterpiece. Hailee owns this role like a boss. It is the closest to a John Hughes film in the modern era you are going to get while being its own thing and having a distinct voice all ita own.
The three greatest teen films of this millennium are Mean Girls 2005, 2010's Easy A and this one, The Edge Of Seventeen, whose release date I have no idea was as I discovered it in the chaos tsunami that is todays fractured state of contemporary cinema that's no longer the leading medium form of culture or media that it has been it's first hundred years.
So, thank you for creating a video to shed much deserved light on this buried jewel of a cinematic opus.
Thank you, I appreciate it!
I wished everybody would apologize her too the way they treated her. Nobody understood her sadly.
I don’t think your essay is completely fair. She has a rowdy spirit and abandonment issues from her father dying. She pretty much just has BPD and has to learn how to deal with her emotions in a healthy way. She’s paranoid about people abandoning her which is why she’s manipulative it’s a defense mechanism so the person will chose her or she can act outraged at the refusal and end the relationship before she’s “abandoned” herself. She ends it on her terms, but still ends up feeling alone. She *has* a problem she’s not *the* problem. And it’s one of the issues I have with the ending of this movie. It’s shown multiple times she’s dealing with a bit of misogyny from her mother. Favoring her brother from a young age, telling her how a girl should act, and without her father no one is on her side. Her brother also acts like the “head” of the house afterwards like he is the dominant one lording over his mother and sister like it’s the olden days. Her mother is effectively “lost” without her husband. If she’s not compassionate to her family who already has a bias against her she’s viewed as selfish when in reality her brother acting like he knows best and is the only one in their family capable of good decision making. He takes away a lot of her “competency and autonomy.” And whether that’s because she’s young or because she’s a girl is unclear. Him going over her head to date her best friend IS extremely disrespectful and undermining her as a person he’s supposed to be close with or equal to. Same with her friend. Having this secret because they both perceive her as being unable to handle this. (Which they’re right she can’t handle it emotionally, but it’s still undermining her intellectually). It’s disrespectful and shows they have communication issues and don’t respect her feelings. There’s nothing wrong with her feeling threatened by that either, it’s simply how she feels. How she manipulates her friend with an ultimatum is what’s toxic, but she has to learn how to communicate with these people who already don’t communicate with her honestly like she’s an intellectual equal, which is how a manipulative personality is formed. At the end of the day all she needed was empathy.
Where I have problems with the movie is because it depicts the brother, nice guy, and male teacher as her “guides” it comes off very misogynistic and “Taming of the Shrew”-esque. It’s another story used to tell girls their resentment towards the life they have is unjustified and they simply need to calm down and find the right guy(s) to teach them how to behave properly and if you behave you’ll be treated correctly and rewarded in society with friends and love. This wouldn’t have been the vibe had the teacher been a woman, or the sibling be a sister who the best friend just thinks is super cool or something, but because of the choice in gender and the fact in the end she has to appease all the men and their feelings before she can feel fulfilled herself is a huge red flag. I understand learning the hard way about being “scared straight,” but that in itself is manipulative to the audience, that this is what you become if you’re too head strong and go after what you want and not what is “nice.” Women are always told to be kind, tolerant, and nice. And in this movie it perpetuates the mindset girls don’t know what’s right for them, they’re too impulsive, crazy, and desperate because of their absent father figure, so let’s show all these male stand-ins that’ll set her straight. Familial male guide. Old wise man guide, and romantic love guide are all the bases that are covered with the “daddy issues” trope. Men telling her what is best for her are right and just listen to them, because they actually want what’s best for you. The women who cater to men (her mom, best friend, and teacher’s wife) reinforcing the idea that she just needs to chill out listen to these guys. All 3 of which she ends up apologizing and following at the end, because oh look how great they are and right about you they were. And not to mention the mom not being able to function without the husband and the brother standing in for the husband. She’s told to settle for these stand-ins for her father.
I do like how she learns how to be less manipulative by the end. But she asked for help before she hit that low point to which she was effectively neglected emotionally until she was forced to be more docile and accommodating for them to really care. I think it could’ve been more meaningful with a female teacher or if she didn’t have to end up with a guy at all by the end. Also if the teacher maybe showed compassion and concern earlier not with the “I’ll let you crash and burn, then you’ll come crawling to me” attitude. I think we’re long past the point of needing another Tame the Misbehaving Woman movie. We need to start understanding the misbehaving woman and get her counseling. That’s all she needed from the start. But instead her needs and cries for help and behavior were neglected or ignored in one way or another. She’s already medicated, but people were not understanding to her when they really should’ve been but this is played off as “shock humor” coming from the teacher or family. I think the only reason her character gravitated towards the teacher is because he was at least not pretending to care like her family does. That’s why his caring towards her in the end was so effective, because she knew it was genuine where he typically wouldn’t bother. He recognized the severity of her mental state and sought to mend the fragments of her life she was missing. (A little late though)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this movie. I guess, we just see this movie quite differently and I'm glad you shared your opinions on what you felt about Nadine. I'm looking forward to reading your thoughts on my other videos too.
Girl she does not have BPD y’all need to stop diagnosing FICTIONAL CHARACTERS specifically ones that weren’t written to have a specific mental illness
@@bubbles4897 She takes meds for her depression and anxiety and she has common forms of BPD, I’m not diagnosing her, I’m pointing out similarities she has with people who have this disorder. Particularly her mood swings and impulses and abandonment issues paired with narcissism. It’s not playing doctor to try and humanize and understand her mental issues.
@@actuallyimnotreallysureyet6360 you literally diagnosed her though. You straight up said she had BPD. that’s what you said. and just bcus she has similar tendencies to BPD does not mean she has the disorder. you are playing doctor. you can try to humanize and understand her without diagnosing Jesus Christ
I completely agree with you. It bothered me that only Nadine had to apologize and not her brother and mother who didn't even try to understand, or sympathize with her. We see from the flashback that her mom favors her brother when the parents are taking the kids to school that her brother is more extroverted and happy to go, but Nadine is more introverted and scared. Her mom yells at her to get out of the car instead of understanding her daughter was scared and nervous. (correct me if I'm wrong it's been a bit since I watched) I also have personally experienced a friend dating a relative, and it's not fun, so I thought her reaction to it was kinda how I felt, though Nadine's friend was nicer about it than my former friend.
She's self-pitying and has a lot of flaws, but I hate that she's supposed to be the problem in the end. Life is difficult as a teenager
I never looked at this movie this way! Such a good video essay, AND the EDITING, crazy too! pls keep doing these! And if u take suggestions, I'd love to hear what you think of Euphoria
Thank you, that means a lot! I do take suggestions and I will put Euphoria on my list. Thank you for watching :)
I am not saying she is an angel but krista is worse than her
so good this deserves more views
You know what to do, share it, please and thank you!
she’s not the problem
I watched this movie as a junior in highschool and it altered my brain for the better
Man, your sub count is absolutely criminal. We need to get this man UP
You are doing the Lord's work, thank you!
a great video, this is exactly why i love this movie!!
Glad you enjoyed it! One of the best coming of age films out there, for sure.
ive watched this movie at least 3 times but i never thought of it from the perspective you offered🤔 it makes more sense now lol
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Nice video! I'm glad the algorithm gods took me here. Consider it liked and subscribed.
The algorithm works in mysterious ways, thank you for liking and subscribing!
i liked nadine. she gets too much criticsm
She was selfish and a self centered person the whole time, she got a happy ending for acting hysterical the whole movie. Movie sucks
Really great video!
Glad you liked it!
Dude the whole point of the movie was that she was being too cruel and unforgiving to the people who love her
Those people never showed her any love
She hated her brother and he hated her. He was also the favorite child- I don’t see 'love' for her coming from Krista, Darian, or her mom.
great video!!
Glad you liked it!
This movie has a cult following. An instant classic.
I don’t think it has a cult following. It was well received by critics and audiences when it came out back in 2016
here's hoping you get picked up by the algorithm!
Aww! Thanks a lot!
Awesome review. I love this movie 🎥 🍿
Thank you, that means a lot!
Thaaaaank you. I came away from that movie in shock like, 'how was I ever supposed to be able to empathize with a character like this? she's terrible to everyone.'
Which is the beauty of this film, love it!
You didn't say anything the movie didn't present and instead of giving a good analysis and pointing out the internalized misogyny of the movie you exaggerated her character but you're funny
I will take that as a compliment, thank you for watching!
UNDERRATED 👏
All The Bright Places does not deserve to be in the garbage truck of movies.
Haha, I'm only kidding! Thank you for watching the video :)
i couldn't watch the whole, it was painful AF to watch
I gotta go on a little rant here. Krista is a terrible Person. What kind of sick person gives their best friends brother a handjob? That is disgusting and wrong. She’s been best friends with Nadine and is clearly aware that her and Darien hate each other. She should’ve known that Nadine would not take that well at all. In the scene where they’re at McDonald’s, Nadine, like any normal person, kept asking what happened that led to that. Then, out of nowhere, Krista “explodes” and says “Stop talking please!! You’re driving me crazy”. No shit she’s driving you crazy. You literally gave her brother a handjob and you don’t care about how she feels. Krista also ditches Nadine at the party to be with the cool kids. Yes, Krista can have other friends. That’s all fine and good. But she’s aware that Nadine is terrible at socializing with other people and doesn’t even invite her to join them. What was the point of having her come to the party if she was gonna ditch her? Also, she seems to clearly be okay with her and Nadine’s friendship ending. When Nadine says their friendship is over, Krista literally says, “Alright” and walks away with no hesitation. I’m sorry, i would NEVER abandon my best friend like that. If I ever had feelings for one of his siblings, I’d talk to him about it. The last thing I’d wanna do is jeopardize our friendship. Bros before hoes. It makes me wonder why Krista was Nadine’s best friend for so long if she was willing to abandon her just like that. Also, why did she suddenly start having feelings for Darien out of nowhere? She’s known the guy for years and clearly seen that’s he’s an asshole. She was willing to abandon her best friend to be in a relationship with an asshole? When Krista tells Nadine that he asked her to Prom in May, she says it in this seduced and romantic way. Judging from the weather in this movie, it appears that it takes place around November. I’m sorry, asking someone to Prom that far in advance is not romantic. It’s creepy af.
Very good points and just another reason why this film is so great, everyone's kinda wrong but kinda justified in their own way.
@@reviewthischris I honestly couldn’t enjoy this movie considering that every character in this movie is an unlikable asshole
the term falls on death ears is ableist (equates diasbiity with ignorance )/gen
love this movie we have the same views on it
Thank you!