Before the internet, one had to seek out physical copies of these ancient works, and it was exceedingly difficult to do so. Now, with the words of our church fathers at our virtual fingertips, there is no excuse for not knowing the truth. John MacArthur should be ashamed of the lies he continues to sow and the brethren he leads astray. Thank you Dr. Flowers for exposing this hypocrisy. God continue to bless you and your family.
event: Yes, I agree.Calvinists have a long history of sophistry, scripture-twisting, and evasion, and of replacing scripture with irrelevant analogies.
With some we can chalk it up to just plain ignorance, but with MacArthur, we can do no such thing. He's too seasoned and knowledgeable to be this ignorant. It's blatant dishonesty and I'm tired of those around him not calling him out for it and defending his dishonesty. Enough with the hero worship. JMac is not infallible and he's clearly in the wrong. The more time goes on and the more Calvinists defend his lies and repeat the lies themselves the less and less hope I have for any real progress moving forward. I cannot associate with such dishonest and bad faith interlocutors.
John M. is Not an honest person. I have seen him lie and misrepresent the Annihilationist View on Hell also. Very sad thing. If you are right in your view about any theology or part of God's Word what need is there to play any games with the truth. God is watching.
@@TimBarr-e8p I agree with you... Now, I don't know about the subject of Annihilationism specifically because I've not gotten around to studying that subject yet, so I can't speak to it. However, I have heard JMac do this on everything else he's said... He is incessantly misrepresenting other Christians (Non-Calvinists) of all kinds... So, the answer has to be one of the four following: A) we are severely underestimating JMac's intelligence and he's not smart enough to understand anything other than Calvinism B) He's just so sold out to Calvinism that he refuses to entertain the fact that he could be wrong and by default everything that comes out of his mouth(no matter how dishonest) automatically becomes true C) He's smart enough to understand other POV but is too intellectually lazy to put forth the effort to try to understand theology from other perspectives or D) He's intelligent enough to understand other theological perspectives and does so but is purposefully lying and maligning other perspectives. Sadly I think it's "D".. 😉
@@roddyk2655 My take on Mr. Mac is all of the above. He needs a miracle but he rejects the possibility that God is still speaking. He's a cessationist.
Before I knew anything about MacArthur, the Holy Spirit was discerning the spirits to me when people would talk about him, when I saw his study bible, when I first started listening to his sermons, and then consistently when he'd blatantly lie. John MacArthur and Phil Johnson are willful agents of Satan on this earth--alpha wolves in sheep's clothing deceiving believers not the obvious false teachers leading unbelievers astray. These men are who Christ warned us about.
@@roddyk2655Of course he's so sold out to Calvinism like it's an idol. Imagine THE leading Calvinist admitting he was wrong about anything regarding Calvinism - his entire identity would be lost.
I came to Christ a decade ago at the age of 39. I started listening to MacArthur without knowing anything about Calvinism. Everything felt alright until I realised that Calvinism clearly turns us into robots and God into the author of evil, but I was convinced that widely accepted authorities such as MacArthur and Piper couldn't possibly be wrong, right? So it eventually plunged me into deep depression. I regularly drove out into the fields and cried out to God, accused him of being evil, slandered him for being a hypocrite, shouted at him to show his face or strike me down, etc. Back at home I always asked him for forgiveness but the pain and confusion never went away. This went on for months and it almost destroyed me. I was a total mess. Eventually I came across your channel, Dr Flowers and I am forever grateful for your work. Looking back today, I realised that God was very close to me and even protected me during that dark period despite my false accusations. Now he is my Abba father again and I love him because he loved me first. Thanks again, Dr Flowers and God bless your ministry.
I was in a very similar situation. Your words could easily been my own, only WAY, WAY more articulate. I owe a debt of gratitude to Dr. Flowers for defending God’s character. God bless you my friend.
Unfortunately, your kind of terrible experience is not an uncommon response among those who have have been exposed to Calvinism. It's not just a terrible doctrine, a twisted theology, it's practical effects are often spirituality catastrophic!
@@djohnson3093 please explain my friend. Calvinist interpret scripture differently than Christians, obviously. Calvinism is somewhat like catholicism in the eyes of traditional Christians.
@cecilspurlockjr.9421 My comment is about calvinism. They change scripture to fit their doctrine as opposed to changing their doctrine to fit scripture. They lie.... and most of them intentionally. Some because they're misguided and believe what they're told with little to no study of their own. But the majority who have "studied" have absolutely no problem lying about what the word of God says. I've seen it regularly, and when called out, they either jump to a completely different verse from a completely different book and chapter discussing a completely different topic or they start insulting.... typically with 1 Corinthians 2:14, which they also use out of context. I say the majority because I used to think it was the majority of those I encounter on social media. Unfortunately, I am acquainted with many calvinists, personally, and they do the same thing.
Very true. Some of the most intelligent people on earth are atheists, hindus, buddists, mormons, etc. etc. The calvinist preachers may be highly educated but they are in grave error
An odd tendency of all ivory tower expositors is that they always lean heavily on the writers intention for what they wrote in a verse and seemingly forgot that all Scriptures are written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. They also tend to use Hebrew and Greek to change the Bible when they teach so as to appear scholarly. They also use phrases that imply fact when in fact they are lying. The most common version of this charade is an appeal to the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS. There are no such manuscripts, and even Jesus Christ used copies in the synagogue.
Leighton, you are a gift to the church. I so appreciate a scholar who preaches the true Gospel and doesn’t align himself with any particular theological system (Calvinism or Arminienism). For me the most powerful part of this video was near the end when you talked about the power of the Gospel and how is is given to us by the Holy Spirit.
@@erickanter4090 I personally think its inconsistent on Gods dealings with Israel and Gods ultimate plan. Sometimes Leighton seems to advocate that Israel hardened themselves and in other places that God hardens Israel. But I think we all have our inconsistencies, so I wouldn't call Leighton a heretic or liar for it, I'm sure I have mine and I hope to find those and come closer to the Bible.
Utterly mind boggling how someone cannot understand that we have freewill and by our freewill we accept the gospel. That it cannot possibly add anything to what Jesus did as what Jesus did was all Jesus and none of man.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 yes!! I am most certainly better than those who haven't humbled themselves before CHRIST. I'm better because I've listened to the truth of CHRIST JESUS instead of dismissing what HE says as a lie . I'm better because of CHRIST . Why dobyou think you're better ? CHRIST didn't choose you until you heard and believed the word of truth whether you realize this or not. Only those who believe are in CHRIST and only those who have believed are in CHRIST. Only those in CHRIST are predestined to the adoption which happens upon the redemption of the body unto glorification where we will be holy and blameless before GOD.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 have you come to a newer knowledge of truth brother? It seems so and I'm so happy to see it brother , because you've come at folks like a hard core calvinist in the past . I'm so glad you obviously see now that calvinism is a blasphemous lie .
@heavenbound7-7-7-7 I wasn't boasting. You asked a question and I answered . Now let me ask you a question. Is a person that's humbled before THE LORD better than one who mocks and rejects HIM ?
And apparently his congregants don't have the ability to be Beareans, and search the Scriptures to see if what JMac says is true. Are they lazy or idolizers?
Most churches are cessationists. But my bible says the latter reign will be greater than the former. That early church had the gifts of the spirit as evidence of God backing them. How will the gentile church be on the same level of the early church without the gifts of the spirit?
His opening statement: ‘Arminius believed that man has the ability to believe on his own.’ If by that, he means man has the innate ability to believe/put their trust in things, then not many would disagree. Guys like JM think of faith in such a strange way.
Thank u Dr. Flowers for making the subject of salvation,Calvinism,arman. And provisionism so much easier to understand. For yrs. I was tormented,thinking; what if I'm non elect. Now I have a much clearer understanding of it all. God bless ur ministry.
Praise God always. I am increased every day in His truth. As Christ is not a liar, I crawl to Him, my ego dead, in all humbleness. He has blessed me and restored me, THEN HE RESTORED MY FAMILY! Praise God! He continues to give me wisdom to know His truth and revealed will. He does not lie and he guides me in understanding of His truth as I bring him questions I wrestle with. He always answers.
Again, where is the scripture evidence that Abel, born after the "fall," was made/caused by God to obey God? Or that Cain was caused by God to disobey? That one story, destroys Calvinism. As does the stories of Moses, Abraham, Noah and others destroy the Total Depravity teaching.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Rather an insult to God, at the very least. One must ignore clear biblical evidence to concoct such a story as Calvinists have painted of God and humans, and God's relationship with His creation.
@@sheilasmith7779 Agreed, when one finds themselves constantly defending the nature of the God they worship from the claims of their own doctrine, it's not time to double down, but high time to reexamine that doctrine.
You think that's bad , go research what he and his staff did to Elaine Grey and her children . It's a text book case of spiritual abuse and arrogant pride . They still backed and provided for the husband for years while he was in prison for sexually and physically abusing them while condemning and slandering her .
Phinney"s words were absolutely brilliant. Wow. Well done. You are quite the conscious and responsible agent in bringing these truths to believers, Dr. Flowers. Bravo
That's some "sophomoric behavior" there from Macarthur. 😏 He's sadly engaging in some childish school lunch table gossip and slander. When you start saying "person x believes such and such", you better be accurately quoting and properly representing their beliefs. Frequently I see Calvinists strawman and misrepresent the views of those outside of their Calvinist echo chamber. I have really appreciated the way that Leighton is able to articulate the Calvinist position and bring it to its consistent conclusion, and say "this" is what the belief system looks like. Thanks for getting into videos like this one. I pray MacArthur will be able to humble himself and walk away from his deeply invested Calvinist buy-in.
I normally would associate the 'Reformed' with the more intellectual side of theology! This may be true in academia but increasingly it is becoming clearer to me that the average Reformed Bible teacher is nothing more than a rather tarted up sounding board. MacArthur is clearly deficient in content, context and communication! By clearly speaking in this way, MacArthur shows himself as ignorant, bigoted and without the ability to "correctly handle the word of truth". Sadly, he is not alone in this respect! As for Leighton, he has hit the ball clean out of the park and they haven't caught it as yet! Keep on running Dr. Keep on pressing on! … 😅
Catholicism is Jewish because it has confused the ministry of Jesus preaching the coming Kingdom on earth to the house of Israel while He was yet still alive with the gospel of our salvation revealed to Paul during the eon we are in at this time after His resurrection known as "but now". I was an unsaved Catholic for 46 years...I reject that Christianity is catholic. I am not saying that all professing Catholics are unsaved, I said that I was unsaved because I was confused and I could not believe that Jesus was raised from the dead because they still have Him hanging on the cross. He is risen and seated at the right hand of the Father so I prefer an empty cross to help clear up the blinding confusion. I say this in love 💌
Another video on this matter. You bet I watch them often. This is vital and highly important for the church thesesdays. Good understanding and explanation on this.
When even the best scholars of the Calvinist camp show themselves to be inept to this degree, it's no wonder they can't see the plain truth of Scripture. They're as theologically warped as the JWs, the Mormons, and the Word of Faith'rs.
Don't be badmouthing the word of faithers if you are believing liars like MacArthur about what they believe and teach. Those like Kenneth Copeland are NOT Word in Faith preachers.
Do not bear false witness against your neighbor. That includes fellow Christians who hold a different theological belief. That includes fellow humans who are no longer alive to defend themselves. The fact is McArthur sinned against Arminius.
John, MacArthur has been one of my favorite theologians for 40+ years… However, I am sorely disappointed at what has become his prideful arrogance in vilifying, maligning and condemning, brothers, and sisters in Christ, who do not share his views of Calvinistic determinism… to lash out in that manner reflects, to me, an arrogant, angry old man who wants to feel better about himself…
MacArthur has done enough to ruin his reputation as a Bible teacher. Unfortunately, people are often loyal to people who are not worthy of such devotion.
As always, I appreciate your calm,reasonable demeanor, but it's also nice to see a little bit of fire in some of your teachings. But then,many Calvinists accuse us of simple being " emotional " and having no real solid ground to stand on.
Calvinist's if they are honest must hold that God is not Good, Just or Righteous. They live in a world where Square Circles really exist. Their understanding of who God is, is disconnected from Reality. It's curious that the Brother who is exposing the TULIP is named Flowers. Providence of God. You bet. Lastly if Open Theism is True Calvinism can not be True. Way to go Leighton.
I love MacArthur as a brother in Christ and I want to enjoy listening to him, but I see him continuously misrepresent his theological opponents. It’s frustrating to watch
The most dangerous lie is the one which is closest to the truth. Calvinism perpetuates the same lie the Serpent told Eve in the Garden and has the same effect to day.... and the end result of allowing that 'seed' to germinate ..... You can't trust God, personally.
Careful, let's not forget about Ali Bonner's research and book on Pelagius and the false assertions by Augustine and perpetuated by Calvinism's total incompetence concerning Pelagius today.
Hello. I’ve been binging your channel recently, probably due in big part to the fact that it’s the first opposition to determinism I’ve come across. Theological determinism has always stirred up confusion for me. It also helps that your arguments not just logical but biblical. Anyway, I’d be curious to hear your response to @J17Productions stance on Ephesians 1. It’s a perspective I’ve never heard before. I respect your thoughts and am just curious. He seems like a respectable man and I’ve enjoyed hearing his input on why he believes Calvinism to be wrong. Hopefully this finds you well if at all. God bless.
I've never thought McArthur was an intellectually honest man. I've never been impressed. I've never understood why people put him up on such a pedestal.
It is in my opinion that it is a necessity that Preaching the Gospel is done by actual Spirit filled believers, to often this aspect is far too much underestimated, too much theologians of all kinds in reality only rely on their intelectual knowledge without carrying any anointing. Calvinism is a total heresy, annuling salvation for many, therefor ignore their material completely.
It has to be in your intellect before it can be deposited into your heart. That's the shortcoming of most people. The word isn't sufficient when preached from someone's head. If it's in your heart, you live it and it comes through you in a way that people can tell is different. Also some people discuss scriptures sometimes with certain motives other than to present the gospel or try to gain a better understanding of it. They want to be right, the truth will stand on its own regardless if someone believes it or not.
I have confronted many Calvinists who aren't satisfied that the Gospel is powerful enough to turn a person from unbelief to belief. Yet, Romans 1:16 says the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation.
So what I hear the Calvinist say is that God is not in the proclaimed Gospel. For if they can say that a person who responds to the gospel is taking the first step then they cannot also believe that God is in the Gospel.
It’s very sad to see Macarthur distorting Arminianism in such a way. I’m so happy to have found these teaching (ordained by God? 😊). I pray that those remaining Calvinists spend a lot of time digging for this truth.
One thing I learned a long time ago, if you run across someone who knowingly misrepresents another, or tries to discredit their character or even destroy their character, that person is not to be trusted. Yet you have said many many times that you admire John MacArthur. Why? I used to attend GCC. With all their talk about “solo scriptural” that place is nothing but a cult of followers of MacArthurs teaching. What he says goes. Simply check out the Eileen Gray story and the pastor at GCC who recommended repentance of “the staff”. To cut to the quick, he no longer works or attends GCC.
Dr Flowers or anyone, is there a good list or video about current women's ministry authors to know which ones might be Calvinist or Provisionist? Finding it difficult to recommend these days because some intentionally hide their position.
I grew up under and came to Christ under a Free Will Baptist pastor. Although I don't attend a Free Will Baptist church now, I have a basic understanding of Arminian theology even though I didn't know that was what I was learning at the time. I watched a few of John McArthur's sermons on UA-cam recently and was apalled at his horrific misrepresentations of those of us who believe in free will. It was so bad that I had a hard time believing that he didn't know he was bearing false witness against Arminians. It was absurd. I want to think better of the man, but I just don't know if I can.
Congregations nowadays rarely fact check anything their pastor says. It's just a matter of the times where if someone who is an "expert" in a field or area of study says something, there's no need to double check. While there are some who are guilty of discouraging their followers to check facts, it's just a general reality that no one does of their own decision unless strongly encouraged to do so.
John is very good at misrepresenting the teaching of Arminius. It's simply not necessary to support one's view by degrading the theology of another. All sides need to rightly present each side of an argument. Otherwise, the debate turns into mud wrestling.
I will be happy to defend Pelagian teaching as it is commonly taught and evidenced in his writings. The teachings (anthropology and soteriology) are actually Scripturally spot on. Orange was not an ecumenical council. Trent was.
20:00 minute mark -- JMac blames Finney for the cults that came out of the burned out district but I've often wondered if it was Calvinism. Joseph Smith Jr's older brother Alvin had died and a Presbyterian preacher told Joseph that Alvin was in hell! Imagine saying that to a grieving family member?! I can't help but think Joseph's doctrine of 'baptism for the dead' -- where souls get a second chance to hear 'the gospel' preached in spirit prison -- didn't come from that.
The gospel as a proclamation is in fact 'just' information. The power that 'is the gospel' are the events that are proclaimed. One must accept or respond to the proclamation of those events as truth. It is power because in accepting it, one joins with God and in that joining is saved.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 You're confusing concepts. Is TD true? No. There is nothing in your nature that prevents you from desiring God or seeking him. Does God say that he wants people to seek him and find him? Yes. If that's what God wants, can people do that? Yes. The grace is simply that God allowed us to come home; that he sent Jesus. In that sense we are 'saved by grace.' In that same sense, the gospel proclaimed is the power of God. Not because it's purchasing but because it reveals the grace of God that makes coming home possible. You can't 'save yourself' because you can't make God offer you an open door. That choice is entirely up to God. But you have to make that choice. It isn't made for you.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 Hmm. Not by nature he doesn't. Paul tells us in Romans what happened - men, despite knowing God, suppressed the truth. They descended into a moral black hole. That wasn't their nature; it was their persistent practice. If you will read what Paul actually says and not what your Reformed handlers browbeat you into arguing, you will see your error. Rather than simply stating that I don't agree with what you think and declare I'm wrong, engage the Scripture and the logic I have given you. Anyone can shout a polemic statement. Doing so doesn't mean you're right.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 According to Genesis 1 and 2, Man is the image of God. That's what Man is by nature and it is why sin is a problem. Paul's rhetoric tells us that people set their minds on things of the flesh and he encourages people to set their minds on things above. You set your mind on whatever it is you set your mind, and you can change that focus. But again, rather than asking me a bunch of questions, respond to what I have actually said. If you don't think I referred to Romans 1 correctly, feel free by using the text and your best exegetical skill, to demonstrate where I've missed the boat.
@@HoytRoberson Yes, Also, in Romans 7 Paul says, Romans 7:9 (KJV 1900): 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. We're not born haters of God.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 You are not different than Adam. How was Adam created, by nature? That's right - the image of God, living in communion with God. Unless you're prepared to argue that the image of God is by nature at enmity with God, you need to find a better argument. In Paul's rhetoric, flesh is the same as desire, ego, self-centeredness. It has nothing to do with nature; with Adams or your innate state. That's why he says a mind set on flesh cannot please God. Because someone chasing their own pleasure cannot in fact be acceptable to God in that state. There is nothing in Scripture that says you can't change your focus and much in Scripture that implores you to do just that. What Scripture did say is that God may well stop arguing with you after a while but that doesn't mean you can't come to your senses. Now rather than making another assertion, please choose some bit of Scripture I have given you or a series of logical steps I have used, and show me where I have misspoken. Misspoken according to Scripture, not your theory.
I would love to see Leighton Flowers do a comparison of the doctrine MacArthur preached 30 years ago and what he preaches now. First one sentence back then and a corresponding sentence now. It would show that MacArthur has gone to the dark side like Solomon in his old age. If anyone has an in with Dr Flowers please suggest it to him. Truth in love
His progression over time seems to illustrate the historic tendency of man Calvinists to slide into 'hyper Calvinism' among the 2nd and 3rd generation. It's the logical end of the doctrine which most try to avoid thinking about because the implications are too ugly to consider when sober.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Yes your right. But it turns into a false Gospel and the teacher becomes lost. Satan's schemes work like boiling a frog in a pan of water. one degree at a time, so the frog doesn't even notice it. MacArthur is just one more fallen preacher that now teaches heresy. Truth in Love
The only right thing to do would be for these men to stand up behind their pulpits and confess that they lied or misstated what others actually believed!
@@donnaoscolaighlange It's not technically a contradiction if we recognize that "conscience" in the strictest sense is not bound by a biblical worldview. I want to be clear that I do believe the conscience is rooted within the morality which comes from God's holiness. I am simply expressing, that from a philosophical perspective, a depraved conscience is not, in itself a contradiction. Conscience, in this sense, is not bound to a higher morality, but one's own sense of morality; which, apart from God, is worthless. Again, I recognize that this isn't really a solid argument from a biblical perspective, I am simply explaining that there is a philosophical perspective which does not hold the contradiction as objective or innately obvious.
When Micheal White says to Leighton on about 25mins: It seems like you're saying man has to take the first step. ?????🤯🤯🤯🤯 Seriously! They just do not listen. Unbelievable.
Calvinists are very right in saying that salvation is "ALL" of God. But inside that "ALL" includes Man's Responsibilty--"...what must I do to be saved?...BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be SAVED...Acts 16:30,31. As an illustration Deu 31:3 -"It is the Lord your God who will cross ahead of you; He will destroy these nations before ; and you shall dispossess them..." Yes it is "ALL" of God who destroys the nations but the Israelites is responsible to wage war against these nations in order to dispossess them. There are many passages in the bible that is similar to Deu 31:3.
The statement of Jacobus Arminius contains two conflicting viewpoints. One is that man is capable of receiving the grace God extends to him by his own free will (this supports Leighton's view). However, this viewpoint is before the Fall of Adam according to J. A. Even though this viewpoint supports Leighton's perspective, Leighton ignores this viewpoint and pivots his argument against John MacArthur based on the second viewpoint, discussed next. Then the second part of Jacobus Arminius's statement expounds that man's free will is nullified unless God regenerates him first (this supports John MacArthur's view). This viewpoint by J. A. is after the Fall. Though this part of the statement aligns with John MacArthur, Pastor MacArthur pits his argument against the first viewpoint stated above and disregards the second viewpoint expressed in writings by Jacobus Arminius. Leighton's presentation only highlights the part of Jacobus Arminius's statement that aligns with his side of the debate. In fairness, he needs to acknowledge that Jacobus Arminius's statements are delusional, advocating opposing views.
John Mac, John Mac, John Mac... wow. God very clear through His word that He offers grace to those whom will believe The Gospel - - at no point does God say we are able to save ourselves without Him *entirely* doing the work of Salvation, and then enabling us to do good works after we believe.
As far as the bible just being information, notice this in John 20: 30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name. Do you see it? These things were WRITTEN so that you may have life. The believing part is what we are supposed to do right there in the middle. The Word is waaaaaay more than just information.
I created a video about Leighton vs James White in which Leighton is like Pai Mei from Kill Bill in which he jumps onto Beatrix's sword tip and then kicks her in the face. Figuratively of course!
@@a.k.7840I didn't see the movie, but I get the picture. Leighton did an outstanding job refuting MacArthur's un-christian, smear of Arminius and Finney.
The way the Holy Spirit operates is mysterious in the way that the effect comes to bear on some and not others. But the means are not mysterious. The means are the truth of God. Which comes most prominently and evidently in His Word.
God just gave this to me. Scripture says that God is looking to finish what He started in us. Well, this is a parallel to Adam and the work He started in him before his fall!
Think about this. If you heard a complete unknown pastor come onto youtube and word for word say the things MacArthur said, you would call it Heresy! Would you not?
Without the help and will of God, MacArthur can’t be honest about explaining Arminianism. Seems like that help and will just aren’t there for him. Calvinism is a strange fire.
The first time I ever came across John MacArthur was in a Bible study I was leading on the Fundamentals of the Faith (I didn’t realize that it was made by John MacArthur’s Church). This version of the study had a chapter on Eschatology (the current version doesn’t touch the subject) and it presented the Dispensational Futurist approach as the only approach to the subject. As one of the two leaders I thought that the other men in the study would benefit from understanding that the Church throughout history has held different positions on the subject and so provided a brief statement on Partial Preterism, Historicism, and Idealism as well. In response to that, my other leader took out his John MacArthur study Bible and read MacArthur’s comments in it on these other interpretive approaches: he dismissed them as clearly wrong and utterly without merit without the least bit of analysis. It shocked me that someone so widely regarded in modern evangelical Christianity could be so flippant with the historically held beliefs of what is certainly the majority of Christians throughout history.
It really cracks me up how Calvinist attack Arminianism when they are like first cousins. Arminianism is just Calvinism light. Both are based on heretical presuppositions.
the gospel is the power of God to save those who believe. faith comes by hearing the word of God. salvation is conditional and always has been. believe and be saved.
McArthur teaches a pre-trib rapture (which is nowhere in the Bible), too, so I wonder exactly how much he really knows about the Bible. Both of these controversies are really easy to understand the truth on.
9:55 "and God was not responsible for what they did or didn't do"- John MacArthur criticizes Finney of believing. But wait, I thought Calvinists affirmed that God is not responsible for man's sin but man is responsible for his own sin. Which is it, Johnny Mac?
Every time, reformed aka calvinists will try to use a carefully crafted gotcha question (so you say man has to take the first step?). Brother Flowers, thank you for your sharing your God given gift: “Incorrect. God took the first step. Man has to respond to God’s invitation”. Precisely.
@@drewhines533 Lol I agree with Jesus, Peter, Paul, John, James. I don’t need a reinvention. Thankfully, we have the Bible and these days we can read it for ourselves and avoid the pollution of bad teaching.
@@drewhines533 Better way to say your bit “Arminius, though “a protestant reformer” got some things right and agreed with what the Bible actually teaches. Good for him! I ask my calvinist reformer buddy “which denomination was Jesus?”. My friend doesn’t like that question. Leave behind the useless arguing, read the Bible and live the way God tells us to. 1 John (the whole book) God does require that. Ecclesiastes 12:13,14
Why do calvinists/ reformers feel the irresistible compulsion to snipe those who disagree with them or don’t call themselves that denomination? Are they predestined to pick arguments? Are we predestined to call out the false teachings or over thinking? It doesn’t matter. They aren’t right just because they twist words or carefully craft gotcha questions. Jesus told those who choose to follow Him to “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.” Matthew 28:19,20 Arguing with calvinist/ reformers is pointless. Snipe away, I have a mission and am way behind schedule. Let’s get to work!
@@brb1050 I hope the irony of your response isn’t lost on you. I never said I agree with Calvin, or Arminius. I still am not picking a side. In your haste you assumed I’m a Calvinist and responded as such. I’ve been watching debates on the subject, and so many dislike those who agree with Calvin due to their (to use your own words) “sniping”, yet isn’t that what you just did? .You didn’t appeal to me as a potential fellow believer, you didn’t try to persuade me (to use Flowers’ words), you assumed my position, and made snippy comments against statements/positions I never took. I only pointed out that you equated Calvinism with being reformed, which is an error. The irony is that Dr. Flowers’ video is about just that; MacArthur’s comments on Arminius/Palagius/Finny without looking as sources, and showing those sources, and you just did what MacArthur did. .I think you hate Calvinism so much, you couldn’t resist assuming I was one because I didn’t say anything negative about Calvin/or his position, and therefore you lashed out as negatively as you accused Calvinists/me of doing (see comment 3). So in genuine sincerity (since I’m not claiming to be a Calvinist/Arminian), should you see anger behind these comments, bring that before the Lord. .if I could offer a take, I would consider moving on from Flowers’ work (the same take I’d give to a Calvinist, who responded the same as you watching MacArthur). If you so hastily responded in anger to a stranger who easily could be a believer in a way to make an enemy, what is the profit in that? Best, Drew
James White was willing to get on stage with you! And then he promptly LIED to the crowd insisting he was about to provide a thorough exegesis of Romans 9, when what he really did was hop scotch his way through the handful of verses Calvinist’s hang their hats on in 8 and 9 while ignoring the other 90%. Just in case you don’t think that was a complete set up, he then tried to. al out Leighton for not providing a thorough exegesis. Absolute grifter!
This Logos the Father in the latter days sent forth, no longer to speak by a prophet, and not wishing that the Word , being obscurely proclaimed, should be made the subject of mere conjecture, but that He should be manifested, so that we could see Him with our own eyes. This Logos , I say, the Father sent forth, in order that the world, on beholding Him, might reverence Him who was delivering precepts not by the person of prophets, nor terrifying the soul by an angel, but who was Himself-He that had spoken- corporally present amongst us . This Logos we know to have received a body from a virgin, and to have remodelled the old man[ 902 ] by a new creation. And we believe the Logos to have passed through every period in this life, in order that He Himself might serve as a law for every age,[ 903 ] and that, by being present (amongst) us, He might exhibit His own manhood as an aim for all men. And that by Himself in person He might prove that God made nothing evil, and that man possesses the capacity of self-determination, inasmuch as he is able to will and not to will, and is endued with power to do both.[ 904 ] This Man we know to have been made out of the compound of our humanity . For if He were not of the same nature with ourselves , in vain does He ordain that we should imitate the Teacher. For if that Man happened to be of a different substance from us , why does He lay injunctions similar to those He has received on myself, who am born weak; and how is this the act of one that is good and just? In order, however, that He might not be supposed to be different from us , He even underwent toil, and was willing to endure hunger, and did not refuse to feel thirst, and sunk into the quietude of slumber. He did not protest against His Passion, but became obedient unto death, and manifested His resurrection. Now in all these acts He offered up, as the first-fruits, His own manhood, in order that thou, when thou art in tribulation, mayest not be disheartened, but, confessing thyself to be a man (of like nature with the Redeemer), mayest dwell in expectation of also receiving what the Father has granted unto this Son .[ 905 ] -hippolytus (disciple of Irenæus, disciple of polycarp, disciple of the Apostles john)
Here’s a novel thought, we don’t need long dusty tomes to understand Gods word… all we do need is a basic understanding of sound hermeneutics, the word of God and the Holy Spirit.
I'd consider blaming dementia for this kind of thing, but I don't think there's any need, because Calvinism has shown itself to be both false and a falsifier of facts. (I pray that dementia is not creeping in, because I wouldn't wish that kind of thing on anyone, much less a brother.)
Yer getting Screwtaped here, man. Distracted all day on Armenius vs Calvin vs Pelagius vs MacArthur…etc. The faith of a child, I’m certain, does not involve all this madness.
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Before the internet, one had to seek out physical copies of these ancient works, and it was exceedingly difficult to do so. Now, with the words of our church fathers at our virtual fingertips, there is no excuse for not knowing the truth. John MacArthur should be ashamed of the lies he continues to sow and the brethren he leads astray. Thank you Dr. Flowers for exposing this hypocrisy. God continue to bless you and your family.
Funny that God chooses a man named Flowers to confront the TULIP. Our God is an awesome God.
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Indeed. 🥲
Amen!!!
@@TimBarr-e8p Haha! Yes God has a sense of humor. I'm sure.
event: Yes, I agree.Calvinists have a long history of sophistry, scripture-twisting, and evasion, and of replacing scripture with irrelevant analogies.
With some we can chalk it up to just plain ignorance, but with MacArthur, we can do no such thing. He's too seasoned and knowledgeable to be this ignorant. It's blatant dishonesty and I'm tired of those around him not calling him out for it and defending his dishonesty. Enough with the hero worship. JMac is not infallible and he's clearly in the wrong. The more time goes on and the more Calvinists defend his lies and repeat the lies themselves the less and less hope I have for any real progress moving forward. I cannot associate with such dishonest and bad faith interlocutors.
John M. is Not an honest person. I have seen him lie and misrepresent the Annihilationist View on Hell also. Very sad thing. If you are right in your view about any theology or part of God's Word what need is there to play any games with the truth. God is watching.
@@TimBarr-e8p I agree with you... Now, I don't know about the subject of Annihilationism specifically because I've not gotten around to studying that subject yet, so I can't speak to it. However, I have heard JMac do this on everything else he's said... He is incessantly misrepresenting other Christians (Non-Calvinists) of all kinds... So, the answer has to be one of the four following: A) we are severely underestimating JMac's intelligence and he's not smart enough to understand anything other than Calvinism B) He's just so sold out to Calvinism that he refuses to entertain the fact that he could be wrong and by default everything that comes out of his mouth(no matter how dishonest) automatically becomes true C) He's smart enough to understand other POV but is too intellectually lazy to put forth the effort to try to understand theology from other perspectives or D) He's intelligent enough to understand other theological perspectives and does so but is purposefully lying and maligning other perspectives. Sadly I think it's "D".. 😉
@@roddyk2655 My take on Mr. Mac is all of the above. He needs a miracle but he rejects the possibility that God is still speaking. He's a cessationist.
Before I knew anything about MacArthur, the Holy Spirit was discerning the spirits to me when people would talk about him, when I saw his study bible, when I first started listening to his sermons, and then consistently when he'd blatantly lie.
John MacArthur and Phil Johnson are willful agents of Satan on this earth--alpha wolves in sheep's clothing deceiving believers not the obvious false teachers leading unbelievers astray. These men are who Christ warned us about.
@@roddyk2655Of course he's so sold out to Calvinism like it's an idol. Imagine THE leading Calvinist admitting he was wrong about anything regarding Calvinism - his entire identity would be lost.
Without lies Calvinism dies
I came to Christ a decade ago at the age of 39. I started listening to MacArthur without knowing anything about Calvinism.
Everything felt alright until I realised that Calvinism clearly turns us into robots and God into the author of evil, but I was convinced that widely accepted authorities such as MacArthur and Piper couldn't possibly be wrong, right? So it eventually plunged me into deep depression. I regularly drove out into the fields and cried out to God, accused him of being evil, slandered him for being a hypocrite, shouted at him to show his face or strike me down, etc. Back at home I always asked him for forgiveness but the pain and confusion never went away. This went on for months and it almost destroyed me. I was a total mess.
Eventually I came across your channel, Dr Flowers and I am forever grateful for your work.
Looking back today, I realised that God was very close to me and even protected me during that dark period despite my false accusations. Now he is my Abba father again and I love him because he loved me first.
Thanks again, Dr Flowers and God bless your ministry.
So how are you in your local personal life? Like where did you go or where do you go for fellowship and genuine preachers locally?
I was in a very similar situation. Your words could easily been my own, only WAY, WAY more articulate. I owe a debt of gratitude to Dr. Flowers for defending God’s character. God bless you my friend.
Unfortunately, your kind of terrible experience is not an uncommon response among those who have have been exposed to Calvinism. It's not just a terrible doctrine, a twisted theology, it's practical effects are often spirituality catastrophic!
@@oldenoughtoknowbetter6473 I don’t get why you sent this to my question?
@@oldenoughtoknowbetter6473 you are literally not making any sense.. what point are you trying to make?
Calvinists always misrepresent non-Calvinists
Calvinist are allowing the Devil to twist the Word of God. I question their commitment to the truth itself.
@@TimBarr-e8pmyself as well .
1 Timothy 4:1-2
@@djohnson3093 please explain my friend. Calvinist interpret scripture differently than Christians, obviously. Calvinism is somewhat like catholicism in the eyes of traditional Christians.
@cecilspurlockjr.9421
My comment is about calvinism.
They change scripture to fit their doctrine as opposed to changing their doctrine to fit scripture.
They lie.... and most of them intentionally. Some because they're misguided and believe what they're told with little to no study of their own. But the majority who have "studied" have absolutely no problem lying about what the word of God says.
I've seen it regularly, and when called out, they either jump to a completely different verse from a completely different book and chapter discussing a completely different topic or they start insulting.... typically with 1 Corinthians 2:14, which they also use out of context.
I say the majority because I used to think it was the majority of those I encounter on social media. Unfortunately, I am acquainted with many calvinists, personally, and they do the same thing.
Just because famous pastors and authors are Calvinist doesn't change the fact that Calvinism is heretical. Plain and simple.
Very true. Some of the most intelligent people on earth are atheists, hindus, buddists, mormons, etc. etc. The calvinist preachers may be highly educated but they are in grave error
An odd tendency of all ivory tower expositors is that they always lean heavily on the writers intention for what they wrote in a verse and seemingly forgot that all Scriptures are written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. They also tend to use Hebrew and Greek to change the Bible when they teach so as to appear scholarly. They also use phrases that imply fact when in fact they are lying. The most common version of this charade is an appeal to the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS. There are no such manuscripts, and even Jesus Christ used copies in the synagogue.
Leighton, you are a gift to the church. I so appreciate a scholar who preaches the true Gospel and doesn’t align himself with any particular theological system (Calvinism or Arminienism). For me the most powerful part of this video was near the end when you talked about the power of the Gospel and how is is given to us by the Holy Spirit.
@@erickanter4090 I personally think its inconsistent on Gods dealings with Israel and Gods ultimate plan. Sometimes Leighton seems to advocate that Israel hardened themselves and in other places that God hardens Israel. But I think we all have our inconsistencies, so I wouldn't call Leighton a heretic or liar for it, I'm sure I have mine and I hope to find those and come closer to the Bible.
Leighton is on fire!
Yeah, he was really in a “zone” on this one.
That medicine analogy is really good.
On fire! What a blessing it has been with my discovery of your ministry. Praying for your continued strength during this season.
Utterly mind boggling how someone cannot understand that we have freewill and by our freewill we accept the gospel. That it cannot possibly add anything to what Jesus did as what Jesus did was all Jesus and none of man.
Without free will , GOD is accused of creating sin and then causing his creation to participate in it . Blasphemy by definition.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 yes!! I am most certainly better than those who haven't humbled themselves before CHRIST. I'm better because I've listened to the truth of CHRIST JESUS instead of dismissing what HE says as a lie . I'm better because of CHRIST . Why dobyou think you're better ? CHRIST didn't choose you until you heard and believed the word of truth whether you realize this or not. Only those who believe are in CHRIST and only those who have believed are in CHRIST. Only those in CHRIST are predestined to the adoption which happens upon the redemption of the body unto glorification where we will be holy and blameless before GOD.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 have you come to a newer knowledge of truth brother? It seems so and I'm so happy to see it brother , because you've come at folks like a hard core calvinist in the past . I'm so glad you obviously see now that calvinism is a blasphemous lie .
@heavenbound7-7-7-7 you too huh ?
@heavenbound7-7-7-7 I wasn't boasting. You asked a question and I answered . Now let me ask you a question. Is a person that's humbled before THE LORD better than one who mocks and rejects HIM ?
Amen Leighton! No one is left "on their own," Rom 1:19-20; 10:18; Acts 17:27.
Johnny Mac often does this. He has to do this to keep his people blinded by Calvinism.
And apparently his congregants don't have the ability to be Beareans, and search the Scriptures to see if what JMac says is true. Are they lazy or idolizers?
Yes, and he does the same thing with cessation ism
Most churches are cessationists. But my bible says the latter reign will be greater than the former. That early church had the gifts of the spirit as evidence of God backing them. How will the gentile church be on the same level of the early church without the gifts of the spirit?
His opening statement: ‘Arminius believed that man has the ability to believe on his own.’ If by that, he means man has the innate ability to believe/put their trust in things, then not many would disagree. Guys like JM think of faith in such a strange way.
Evidentally man has the freedom to believe everything and anything...except the good news of Jesus Christ.
Thank u Dr. Flowers for making the subject of salvation,Calvinism,arman. And provisionism so much easier to understand. For yrs. I was tormented,thinking; what if I'm non elect. Now I have a much clearer understanding of it all. God bless ur ministry.
Praise God always. I am increased every day in His truth. As Christ is not a liar, I crawl to Him, my ego dead, in all humbleness. He has blessed me and restored me, THEN HE RESTORED MY FAMILY! Praise God! He continues to give me wisdom to know His truth and revealed will. He does not lie and he guides me in understanding of His truth as I bring him questions I wrestle with. He always answers.
Again, where is the scripture evidence that Abel, born after the "fall," was made/caused by God to obey God? Or that Cain was caused by God to disobey?
That one story, destroys Calvinism.
As does the stories of Moses, Abraham, Noah and others destroy the Total Depravity teaching.
Amen, Calvinists position makes God disingenuous at best a an outright liar at worst in his conversation with Abel in Gen.4. And God is neither.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Rather an insult to God, at the very least.
One must ignore clear biblical evidence to concoct such a story as Calvinists have painted of God and humans, and God's relationship with His creation.
@@sheilasmith7779 Agreed, when one finds themselves constantly defending the nature of the God they worship from the claims of their own doctrine, it's not time to double down, but high time to reexamine that doctrine.
Leighton hit a Home Run rite here!!
Thankye from Denver North Carolina
After how he responded to that lady that got out of Calvinism I cannot respect John Mac. Guy has issues.
You think that's bad , go research what he and his staff did to Elaine Grey and her children . It's a text book case of spiritual abuse and arrogant pride . They still backed and provided for the husband for years while he was in prison for sexually and physically abusing them while condemning and slandering her .
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 Amen🙏🏻
@@bornagainbeliever1429 amen brother .
GOD bless you
Do you have a link to that ? I'd be interested in checking it out. Thank you.
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 it’s actually “Sister “, but that’s ok😅
John MacArthur Maligns everyone he disagrees with on any subject.
Phinney"s words were absolutely brilliant. Wow. Well done. You are quite the conscious and responsible agent in bringing these truths to believers, Dr. Flowers. Bravo
I always knew damp Muppets were useful.
That's some "sophomoric behavior" there from Macarthur. 😏
He's sadly engaging in some childish school lunch table gossip and slander.
When you start saying "person x believes such and such", you better be accurately quoting and properly representing their beliefs.
Frequently I see Calvinists strawman and misrepresent the views of those outside of their Calvinist echo chamber.
I have really appreciated the way that Leighton is able to articulate the Calvinist position and bring it to its consistent conclusion, and say "this" is what the belief system looks like.
Thanks for getting into videos like this one.
I pray MacArthur will be able to humble himself and walk away from his deeply invested Calvinist buy-in.
Many Calvinists make a big deal about not breaking the 2nd Commandment, yet so many Calvinists break the 9th Commandment.
I normally would associate the 'Reformed' with the more intellectual side of theology! This may be true in academia but increasingly it is becoming clearer to me that the average Reformed Bible teacher is nothing more than a rather tarted up sounding board. MacArthur is clearly deficient in content, context and communication!
By clearly speaking in this way, MacArthur shows himself as ignorant, bigoted and without the ability to "correctly handle the word of truth". Sadly, he is not alone in this respect!
As for Leighton, he has hit the ball clean out of the park and they haven't caught it as yet! Keep on running Dr. Keep on pressing on! … 😅
I have a friend who was a Calvinist who then studied the commentaries of the Early Church Fathers and then became a faithful Christian.
Catholicism is Jewish because it has confused the ministry of Jesus preaching the coming Kingdom on earth to the house of Israel while He was yet still alive with the gospel of our salvation revealed to Paul during the eon we are in at this time after His resurrection known as "but now".
I was an unsaved Catholic for 46 years...I reject that Christianity is catholic.
I am not saying that all professing Catholics are unsaved, I said that I was unsaved because I was confused and I could not believe that Jesus was raised from the dead because they still have Him hanging on the cross. He is risen and seated at the right hand of the Father so I prefer an empty cross to help clear up the blinding confusion.
I say this in love 💌
Thank You 🙏✝️. You have no idea how good it is I found this channel. Thank you
Preach it, brother!! So encouraging!
Please be encouraged Dr. Leighton Flowers. Your “ one string banjo” outshines a symphony of calvinists. Sola de keep pickin’
Another video on this matter. You bet I watch them often. This is vital and highly important for the church thesesdays. Good understanding and explanation on this.
When even the best scholars of the Calvinist camp show themselves to be inept to this degree, it's no wonder they can't see the plain truth of Scripture. They're as theologically warped as the JWs, the Mormons, and the Word of Faith'rs.
Pretty dang warped , yes .
Don't be badmouthing the word of faithers if you are believing liars like MacArthur about what they believe and teach. Those like Kenneth Copeland are NOT Word in Faith preachers.
@@markpalmer2401 Yet he still tries to vainly picture himself to others as one.
@@markpalmer2401 j Mac is a heretic and a blasphemer of GOD by definition.
Truth served on fire!
Do not bear false witness against your neighbor. That includes fellow Christians who hold a different theological belief. That includes fellow humans who are no longer alive to defend themselves. The fact is McArthur sinned against Arminius.
The great mystery of promoting SOLA SCRIPTURA and yet insisting the same Word has no power.
John, MacArthur has been one of my favorite theologians for 40+ years… However, I am sorely disappointed at what has become his prideful arrogance in vilifying, maligning and condemning, brothers, and sisters in Christ, who do not share his views of Calvinistic determinism… to lash out in that manner reflects, to me, an arrogant, angry old man who wants to feel better about himself…
MacArthur has done enough to ruin his reputation as a Bible teacher. Unfortunately, people are often loyal to people who are not worthy of such devotion.
As always, I appreciate your calm,reasonable demeanor, but it's also nice to see a little bit of fire in some of your teachings. But then,many Calvinists accuse us of simple being " emotional " and having no real solid ground to stand on.
Calvinist's if they are honest must hold that God is not Good, Just or Righteous. They live in a world where Square Circles really exist. Their understanding of who God is, is disconnected from Reality. It's curious that the Brother who is exposing the TULIP is named Flowers. Providence of God. You bet. Lastly if Open Theism is True Calvinism can not be True. Way to go Leighton.
Gotta hand it to J Mac. Dude has some sand. He just bypasses straw-man arguments altogether and goes straight for all-out misrepresentation.
Wow, this video was fire! Thank you for your work Dr Flowers.
I love MacArthur as a brother in Christ and I want to enjoy listening to him, but I see him continuously misrepresent his theological opponents. It’s frustrating to watch
John M. should NOT be in the pulpit but in the pews.
Meaning he is deceiving people, he has become a deceiver. I cannot respect him anymore.
I can't stand to even hear macarthur's voice anymore .
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 Hey Cecil, I avoid Calvinist altogether. These men are not only dividing the church they are destroying it. Pray for them.
@user-zs2ly5qu3f you're right brother . Amen, they certainly do need our prayers.
GOD bless
John MacArthur seems to misrepresent things often.
No one can possibly do anything "on his own", Mr. Macarthur, because there is a Living God. No one can be "on his own" . .
One of my most comforting considerations of being a christian is that God is always with me and available.
'God desires that man seek him and find him.' It is correct that human beings can both seek and find God as they are.
What percentage of Calvinist statements are *NOT* designed to paint *FALSE PICTURES* ????
ANSWER:
From my observation - a very small percentage
The most dangerous lie is the one which is closest to the truth. Calvinism perpetuates the same lie the Serpent told Eve in the Garden and has the same effect to day.... and the end result of allowing that 'seed' to germinate ..... You can't trust God, personally.
Careful, let's not forget about Ali Bonner's research and book on Pelagius and the false assertions by Augustine and perpetuated by Calvinism's total incompetence concerning Pelagius today.
If TD is not true (and it is not), then Man can in fact seek and respond to God in their own.
Hello. I’ve been binging your channel recently, probably due in big part to the fact that it’s the first opposition to determinism I’ve come across. Theological determinism has always stirred up confusion for me. It also helps that your arguments not just logical but biblical.
Anyway, I’d be curious to hear your response to @J17Productions stance on Ephesians 1. It’s a perspective I’ve never heard before. I respect your thoughts and am just curious. He seems like a respectable man and I’ve enjoyed hearing his input on why he believes Calvinism to be wrong. Hopefully this finds you well if at all. God bless.
Ironically, the words of Finney regarding salvation is the best analogy I've ever heard.
This is standard J. Mac teaching, misrepresenting and maligning others. His arrogance has always bothered me.
I've never thought McArthur was an intellectually honest man. I've never been impressed. I've never understood why people put him up on such a pedestal.
It is in my opinion that it is a necessity that Preaching the Gospel is done by actual Spirit filled believers, to often this aspect is far too much underestimated, too much theologians of all kinds in reality only rely on their intelectual knowledge without carrying any anointing. Calvinism is a total heresy, annuling salvation for many, therefor ignore their material completely.
It has to be in your intellect before it can be deposited into your heart. That's the shortcoming of most people. The word isn't sufficient when preached from someone's head. If it's in your heart, you live it and it comes through you in a way that people can tell is different.
Also some people discuss scriptures sometimes with certain motives other than to present the gospel or try to gain a better understanding of it. They want to be right, the truth will stand on its own regardless if someone believes it or not.
I have confronted many Calvinists who aren't satisfied that the Gospel is powerful enough to turn a person from unbelief to belief. Yet, Romans 1:16 says the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation.
So what I hear the Calvinist say is that God is not in the proclaimed Gospel. For if they can say that a person who responds to the gospel is taking the first step then they cannot also believe that God is in the Gospel.
It’s very sad to see Macarthur distorting Arminianism in such a way. I’m so happy to have found these teaching (ordained by God? 😊). I pray that those remaining Calvinists spend a lot of time digging for this truth.
Great video!
One thing I learned a long time ago, if you run across someone who knowingly misrepresents another, or tries to discredit their character or even destroy their character, that person is not to be trusted. Yet you have said many many times that you admire John MacArthur. Why?
I used to attend GCC. With all their talk about “solo scriptural” that place is nothing but a cult of followers of MacArthurs teaching. What he says goes. Simply check out the Eileen Gray story and the pastor at GCC who recommended repentance of “the staff”.
To cut to the quick, he no longer works or attends GCC.
Dr Flowers or anyone, is there a good list or video about current women's ministry authors to know which ones might be Calvinist or Provisionist? Finding it difficult to recommend these days because some intentionally hide their position.
I grew up under and came to Christ under a Free Will Baptist pastor. Although I don't attend a Free Will Baptist church now, I have a basic understanding of Arminian theology even though I didn't know that was what I was learning at the time. I watched a few of John McArthur's sermons on UA-cam recently and was apalled at his horrific misrepresentations of those of us who believe in free will. It was so bad that I had a hard time believing that he didn't know he was bearing false witness against Arminians. It was absurd. I want to think better of the man, but I just don't know if I can.
I wonder how many of McArthur’s congregation actually fact check what he says. He makes some pretty broad statements that are just not true.
Congregations nowadays rarely fact check anything their pastor says. It's just a matter of the times where if someone who is an "expert" in a field or area of study says something, there's no need to double check. While there are some who are guilty of discouraging their followers to check facts, it's just a general reality that no one does of their own decision unless strongly encouraged to do so.
John is very good at misrepresenting the teaching of Arminius. It's simply not necessary to support one's view by degrading the theology of another. All sides need to rightly present each side of an argument. Otherwise, the debate turns into mud wrestling.
Excellent point about the call from the president!
I will be happy to defend Pelagian teaching as it is commonly taught and evidenced in his writings. The teachings (anthropology and soteriology) are actually Scripturally spot on.
Orange was not an ecumenical council. Trent was.
20:00 minute mark -- JMac blames Finney for the cults that came out of the burned out district but I've often wondered if it was Calvinism. Joseph Smith Jr's older brother Alvin had died and a Presbyterian preacher told Joseph that Alvin was in hell! Imagine saying that to a grieving family member?! I can't help but think Joseph's doctrine of 'baptism for the dead' -- where souls get a second chance to hear 'the gospel' preached in spirit prison -- didn't come from that.
Well done!
The gospel as a proclamation is in fact 'just' information. The power that 'is the gospel' are the events that are proclaimed. One must accept or respond to the proclamation of those events as truth. It is power because in accepting it, one joins with God and in that joining is saved.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 You're confusing concepts.
Is TD true? No. There is nothing in your nature that prevents you from desiring God or seeking him.
Does God say that he wants people to seek him and find him? Yes.
If that's what God wants, can people do that? Yes.
The grace is simply that God allowed us to come home; that he sent Jesus. In that sense we are 'saved by grace.' In that same sense, the gospel proclaimed is the power of God. Not because it's purchasing but because it reveals the grace of God that makes coming home possible.
You can't 'save yourself' because you can't make God offer you an open door. That choice is entirely up to God.
But you have to make that choice. It isn't made for you.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 Hmm. Not by nature he doesn't. Paul tells us in Romans what happened - men, despite knowing God, suppressed the truth. They descended into a moral black hole. That wasn't their nature; it was their persistent practice.
If you will read what Paul actually says and not what your Reformed handlers browbeat you into arguing, you will see your error.
Rather than simply stating that I don't agree with what you think and declare I'm wrong, engage the Scripture and the logic I have given you.
Anyone can shout a polemic statement. Doing so doesn't mean you're right.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 According to Genesis 1 and 2, Man is the image of God. That's what Man is by nature and it is why sin is a problem.
Paul's rhetoric tells us that people set their minds on things of the flesh and he encourages people to set their minds on things above.
You set your mind on whatever it is you set your mind, and you can change that focus.
But again, rather than asking me a bunch of questions, respond to what I have actually said. If you don't think I referred to Romans 1 correctly, feel free by using the text and your best exegetical skill, to demonstrate where I've missed the boat.
@@HoytRoberson
Yes,
Also, in Romans 7 Paul says,
Romans 7:9 (KJV 1900): 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
We're not born haters of God.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 You are not different than Adam. How was Adam created, by nature? That's right - the image of God, living in communion with God. Unless you're prepared to argue that the image of God is by nature at enmity with God, you need to find a better argument.
In Paul's rhetoric, flesh is the same as desire, ego, self-centeredness. It has nothing to do with nature; with Adams or your innate state. That's why he says a mind set on flesh cannot please God. Because someone chasing their own pleasure cannot in fact be acceptable to God in that state.
There is nothing in Scripture that says you can't change your focus and much in Scripture that implores you to do just that.
What Scripture did say is that God may well stop arguing with you after a while but that doesn't mean you can't come to your senses.
Now rather than making another assertion, please choose some bit of Scripture I have given you or a series of logical steps I have used, and show me where I have misspoken. Misspoken according to Scripture, not your theory.
I would love to see Leighton Flowers do a comparison of the doctrine MacArthur preached 30 years ago and what he preaches now.
First one sentence back then and a corresponding sentence now. It would show that MacArthur has gone to the dark side like Solomon in his old age. If anyone has an in with Dr Flowers please suggest it to him.
Truth in love
His progression over time seems to illustrate the historic tendency of man Calvinists to slide into 'hyper Calvinism' among the 2nd and 3rd generation. It's the logical end of the doctrine which most try to avoid thinking about because the implications are too ugly to consider when sober.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Yes your right. But it turns into a false Gospel and the teacher becomes lost. Satan's schemes work like boiling a frog in a pan of water. one degree at a time, so the frog doesn't even notice it.
MacArthur is just one more fallen preacher that now teaches heresy.
Truth in Love
The only right thing to do would be for these men to stand up behind their pulpits and confess that they lied or misstated what others actually believed!
More studious? There is no reason to think that Mac didn't know he's lying.
Do Calvinist admit that we are all born with a conscience as scripture says?
Yes, but they believe it's a totally depraved conscience.
Isn’t that a contradiction in terms?
@@donnaoscolaighlange Not in their minds.
@@donnaoscolaighlange It's not technically a contradiction if we recognize that "conscience" in the strictest sense is not bound by a biblical worldview.
I want to be clear that I do believe the conscience is rooted within the morality which comes from God's holiness.
I am simply expressing, that from a philosophical perspective, a depraved conscience is not, in itself a contradiction. Conscience, in this sense, is not bound to a higher morality, but one's own sense of morality; which, apart from God, is worthless.
Again, I recognize that this isn't really a solid argument from a biblical perspective, I am simply explaining that there is a philosophical perspective which does not hold the contradiction as objective or innately obvious.
When Micheal White says to Leighton on about 25mins: It seems like you're saying man has to take the first step.
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Seriously! They just do not listen. Unbelievable.
So if the same gospel which is preached to two different inviduals in which one goes to heaven but the other hell who and what made that difference?
Jesus in John 3: "And this is the condemnation: that light has come into the world, and MEN preferred darkness because their deeds were evil."
Calvinists are very right in saying that salvation is "ALL" of God. But inside that "ALL" includes Man's Responsibilty--"...what must I do to be saved?...BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be SAVED...Acts 16:30,31. As an illustration Deu 31:3 -"It is the Lord your God who will cross ahead of you; He will destroy these nations before ; and you shall dispossess them..." Yes it is "ALL" of God who destroys the nations but the Israelites is responsible to wage war against these nations in order to dispossess them. There are many passages in the bible that is similar to Deu 31:3.
The statement of Jacobus Arminius contains two conflicting viewpoints. One is that man is capable of receiving the grace God extends to him by his own free will (this supports Leighton's view). However, this viewpoint is before the Fall of Adam according to J. A. Even though this viewpoint supports Leighton's perspective, Leighton ignores this viewpoint and pivots his argument against John MacArthur based on the second viewpoint, discussed next.
Then the second part of Jacobus Arminius's statement expounds that man's free will is nullified unless God regenerates him first (this supports John MacArthur's view). This viewpoint by J. A. is after the Fall. Though this part of the statement aligns with John MacArthur, Pastor MacArthur pits his argument against the first viewpoint stated above and disregards the second viewpoint expressed in writings by Jacobus Arminius.
Leighton's presentation only highlights the part of Jacobus Arminius's statement that aligns with his side of the debate. In fairness, he needs to acknowledge that Jacobus Arminius's statements are delusional, advocating opposing views.
John MacArthur is a wolf in SHEEP'S clothing
John Mac, John Mac, John Mac... wow. God very clear through His word that He offers grace to those whom will believe The Gospel - - at no point does God say we are able to save ourselves without Him *entirely* doing the work of Salvation, and then enabling us to do good works after we believe.
As far as the bible just being information, notice this in John 20:
30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book;
31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
Do you see it? These things were WRITTEN so that you may have life. The believing part is what we are supposed to do right there in the middle.
The Word is waaaaaay more than just information.
If this were MMA, Leighton would have McArthur tapping out in the first round.
I created a video about Leighton vs James White in which Leighton is like Pai Mei from Kill Bill in which he jumps onto Beatrix's sword tip and then kicks her in the face. Figuratively of course!
@@a.k.7840I didn't see the movie, but I get the picture. Leighton did an outstanding job refuting MacArthur's un-christian, smear of Arminius and Finney.
The way the Holy Spirit operates is mysterious in the way that the effect comes to bear on some and not others. But the means are not mysterious. The means are the truth of God. Which comes most prominently and evidently in His Word.
God just gave this to me. Scripture says that God is looking to finish what He started in us. Well, this is a parallel to Adam and the work He started in him before his fall!
"Soteriology 101 Shorts"
Video length: 29:17
How Baptist is Soteriology 101? ALL of the Baptist!! 😂😂
Think about this. If you heard a complete unknown pastor come onto youtube and word for word say the things MacArthur said, you would call it Heresy! Would you not?
Not a JMac fan whatsoever. Too many issues.
Without the help and will of God, MacArthur can’t be honest about explaining Arminianism. Seems like that help and will just aren’t there for him. Calvinism is a strange fire.
This is so contradictory for evangelism. It's like saying: you have to believe but you can't believe... what kind of preaching is that?
23:20 but it's totally impossible for the experience of having made a choice to serve as ANY evidence for the other point-of-view!
You should call these "Cargo shorts" since they're a bit longer
The first time I ever came across John MacArthur was in a Bible study I was leading on the Fundamentals of the Faith (I didn’t realize that it was made by John MacArthur’s Church). This version of the study had a chapter on Eschatology (the current version doesn’t touch the subject) and it presented the Dispensational Futurist approach as the only approach to the subject. As one of the two leaders I thought that the other men in the study would benefit from understanding that the Church throughout history has held different positions on the subject and so provided a brief statement on Partial Preterism, Historicism, and Idealism as well.
In response to that, my other leader took out his John MacArthur study Bible and read MacArthur’s comments in it on these other interpretive approaches: he dismissed them as clearly wrong and utterly without merit without the least bit of analysis. It shocked me that someone so widely regarded in modern evangelical Christianity could be so flippant with the historically held beliefs of what is certainly the majority of Christians throughout history.
It really cracks me up how Calvinist attack Arminianism when they are like first cousins. Arminianism is just Calvinism light. Both are based on heretical presuppositions.
the gospel is the power of God to save those who believe. faith comes by hearing the word of God.
salvation is conditional and always has been. believe and be saved.
McArthur teaches a pre-trib rapture (which is nowhere in the Bible), too, so I wonder exactly how much he really knows about the Bible.
Both of these controversies are really easy to understand the truth on.
9:55 "and God was not responsible for what they did or didn't do"- John MacArthur criticizes Finney of believing. But wait, I thought Calvinists affirmed that God is not responsible for man's sin but man is responsible for his own sin. Which is it, Johnny Mac?
Every time, reformed aka calvinists will try to use a carefully crafted gotcha question (so you say man has to take the first step?).
Brother Flowers, thank you for your sharing your God given gift: “Incorrect. God took the first step. Man has to respond to God’s invitation”.
Precisely.
Arminius was reformed. He was a reformed Dutch minister. If you agree with Arminius, you agree with a Protestant Reformer.
@@drewhines533 Lol I agree with Jesus, Peter, Paul, John, James.
I don’t need a reinvention.
Thankfully, we have the Bible and these days we can read it for ourselves and avoid the pollution of bad teaching.
@@drewhines533 Better way to say your bit “Arminius, though “a protestant reformer” got some things right and agreed with what the Bible actually teaches.
Good for him!
I ask my calvinist reformer buddy “which denomination was Jesus?”.
My friend doesn’t like that question.
Leave behind the useless arguing, read the Bible and live the way God tells us to.
1 John (the whole book)
God does require that. Ecclesiastes 12:13,14
Why do calvinists/ reformers feel the irresistible compulsion to snipe those who disagree with them or don’t call themselves that denomination?
Are they predestined to pick arguments?
Are we predestined to call out the false teachings or over thinking?
It doesn’t matter. They aren’t right just because they twist words or carefully craft gotcha questions.
Jesus told those who choose to follow Him to “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.” Matthew 28:19,20
Arguing with calvinist/ reformers is pointless. Snipe away, I have a mission and am way behind schedule. Let’s get to work!
@@brb1050 I hope the irony of your response isn’t lost on you. I never said I agree with Calvin, or Arminius. I still am not picking a side. In your haste you assumed I’m a Calvinist and responded as such. I’ve been watching debates on the subject, and so many dislike those who agree with Calvin due to their (to use your own words) “sniping”, yet isn’t that what you just did?
.You didn’t appeal to me as a potential fellow believer, you didn’t try to persuade me (to use Flowers’ words), you assumed my position, and made snippy comments against statements/positions I never took. I only pointed out that you equated Calvinism with being reformed, which is an error. The irony is that Dr. Flowers’ video is about just that; MacArthur’s comments on Arminius/Palagius/Finny without looking as sources, and showing those sources, and you just did what MacArthur did.
.I think you hate Calvinism so much, you couldn’t resist assuming I was one because I didn’t say anything negative about Calvin/or his position, and therefore you lashed out as negatively as you accused Calvinists/me of doing (see comment 3). So in genuine sincerity (since I’m not claiming to be a Calvinist/Arminian), should you see anger behind these comments, bring that before the Lord.
.if I could offer a take, I would consider moving on from Flowers’ work (the same take I’d give to a Calvinist, who responded the same as you watching MacArthur). If you so hastily responded in anger to a stranger who easily could be a believer in a way to make an enemy, what is the profit in that?
Best, Drew
James White was willing to get on stage with you! And then he promptly LIED to the crowd insisting he was about to provide a thorough exegesis of Romans 9, when what he really did was hop scotch his way through the handful of verses Calvinist’s hang their hats on in 8 and 9 while ignoring the other 90%. Just in case you don’t think that was a complete set up, he then tried to. al out Leighton for not providing a thorough exegesis. Absolute grifter!
This Logos the Father in the latter days sent forth, no longer to speak by a prophet, and not wishing that the Word , being obscurely proclaimed, should be made the subject of mere conjecture, but that He should be manifested, so that we could see Him with our own eyes. This Logos , I say, the Father sent forth, in order that the world, on beholding Him, might reverence Him who was delivering precepts not by the person of prophets, nor terrifying the soul by an angel, but who was Himself-He that had spoken- corporally present amongst us . This Logos we know to have received a body from a virgin, and to have remodelled the old man[ 902 ] by a new creation. And we believe the Logos to have passed through every period in this life, in order that He Himself might serve as a law for every age,[ 903 ] and that, by being present (amongst) us, He might exhibit His own manhood as an aim for all men. And that by Himself in person He might prove that God made nothing evil, and that man possesses the capacity of self-determination, inasmuch as he is able to will and not to will, and is endued with power to do both.[ 904 ] This Man we know to have been made out of the compound of our humanity . For if He were not of the same nature with ourselves , in vain does He ordain that we should imitate the Teacher. For if that Man happened to be of a different substance from us , why does He lay injunctions similar to those He has received on myself, who am born weak; and how is this the act of one that is good and just? In order, however, that He might not be supposed to be different from us , He even underwent toil, and was willing to endure hunger, and did not refuse to feel thirst, and sunk into the quietude of slumber. He did not protest against His Passion, but became obedient unto death, and manifested His resurrection. Now in all these acts He offered up, as the first-fruits, His own manhood, in order that thou, when thou art in tribulation, mayest not be disheartened, but, confessing thyself to be a man (of like nature with the Redeemer), mayest dwell in expectation of also receiving what the Father has granted unto this Son .[ 905 ]
-hippolytus (disciple of Irenæus, disciple of polycarp, disciple of the Apostles john)
Where I’m from we call him a liar.
So if I believe the trinity am I a "Semi-Romanist"?
Here’s a novel thought, we don’t need long dusty tomes to understand Gods word… all we do need is a basic understanding of sound hermeneutics, the word of God and the Holy Spirit.
I'd consider blaming dementia for this kind of thing, but I don't think there's any need, because Calvinism has shown itself to be both false and a falsifier of facts. (I pray that dementia is not creeping in, because I wouldn't wish that kind of thing on anyone, much less a brother.)
Yer getting Screwtaped here, man. Distracted all day on Armenius vs Calvin vs Pelagius vs MacArthur…etc. The faith of a child, I’m certain, does not involve all this madness.