Inter City Firm Get 'VIOLENT' Welcome From Stoke Lads
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- Опубліковано 22 лют 2024
- West Ham's notorious football hooligan firm visits Stoke City and gets all they can handle !
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Jasper wasn't just a top lad at football he was a proper Fagan father type figure to the lads of all ages. Common knowledge up stoke that when jasper moved to the coast anyone with hard time issues addiction on the run or just needed a fresh start they were sent up to stay with him no questions asked
Proper dude salute Jasper
West Ham always came into The Boothen but only in small numbers. One game they moved down towards the Boothen Paddock (where Stokes main firm were).
The old bill made the mistake of taking them into the paddock instead of walking them round the pitch. They got absolutely battered. I know, I was there. They got trapped inside & it took old bill a while to rescue them then escort them to the Stoke End.
After the game Stoke lads went up Butler Street to Lonsdale Street then hid behind graves in St Peters Churchyard. As the ICF passed they got done again.
Mind you a few years later Stoke got a kicking on Kingsway car-park on the way to Stoke Railway Station.
Stoke followed West Ham then ambushed them on the car-park but another larger group of Hammers ambushed Stoke.
Stokies refused to run, so I've been told 😉 and got a good pasting.
The Good Old Days eh?
I remember hiding in a bus depot at Upton Park too just behind the away section. Like a scene from 'On the buses'...Orr rite Blakey 😂
100% Fake m8 grow up n stop reading books..stick to comics...😡
Always a good day in the seventies..Burnley v Stoke. Blackpool v Stoke same era . Carnage.
It’s why no one can ever claim to be the best fighters because everyone gets done at some point. You’ll always have your more serious hooligans but everyone wins & loses in that game.
I ate you butler!
@@seanmick6134 everyone bleeds mate 👍
Being Millwall fan from South London, mate im a lot older now but seeing this really brought back them yester year memories💯 quality video man 👊💥
Thankyou my friend
Football violence and hooliganism is part of the grass roots in the landscape the new age crime gardners cultivated...its not gangsta storys of the usual kind that only a few % strolled but football was a working man's crack at violence AND crime (of sorts) for the many who in the most were buckling down making a honest living of 9-5 but wanted to keep that side of there character and passion of good honest gentleman violence of which is a thing of the past and will never be got back due to times and technology. The camaraderie and love of your enemy was the best drug ever!
Good drop Loved it Ben! Not what some people would call crime but is what a lot of people got there weekly sin from! Cheers from a fellow enthusiastic and it was a good little piece! It's normally about celebrity fans,some people did get into real crime off the back of it,drug dealing,robbing,organised theft,not gangsta stuff but I've never met a gangsta in my life!
Another great listen, love your channel, Ben. All the best.👊🥊👍
I used to live in Stoke, all over from Burslem, Meir and Castle knew couple lads from Stoke and Vale never really had any trouble from any of them. They seemed friendly tbh.
Bootham crescent was York city , Stoke had a boothen end.
This channel is gold keep it up mate great content 👍
Thankyou mate very kind
love it ' as a palace fan remember the grave yard fight with stoke fans in early 80's ' great day out did get a bit mental ' buts thats what it was all about ' good mem's from this video.
Palarse 😂 won't come to cafc
A Good book to read about football hooligans and Crime both in equal measure is Grafters by Colin Blaney (RIP) he was part of the ICJ the Notorious Man Utd Firm who followed Utd all over Europe in the 70s 80s and 90s Robbin high end jewellery shops in Switzerland and Dipping people, Colin also was on the real football factories Britain's toughest pubs, secrets of the shoplifters and pickpockets, he was a friend and 1 of the most intelligent and interesting people I've met and had a few more books too his name before he passed away aswell
A few years behind Liverpool though.
@pablojablo6371 he admits in the book that it was the mickey mousers who 1st put him onto the graft abroad, no secret that the scousers were way ahead of the game when it comes to graftin, my Dad was a scouser but a straight member armed forces and all that but his younger brothers used to follow Liverpool away all over in the 70s and 80s and theyd come back with kashmir and mohair jumpers in some crazy colours 🤣🤣🤣😁
@Jammo1978 I know this will come across as disrespectful but I've got to ask, isn't it true that Blaney didn't even have the money for his own funeral and that a whip was needed to raise the dough for it?
@essexnto you know what mate I couldn't answer that question but what I can say is that he was working as an expert advisor on location for a few Hooligan films and I'd seen him working for Salford radio and he'd got a few plan's in the pipeline but you know how the lifestyle is 1min your flush and the next you ain't but another thing I can say is that there wouldn't be short of a few people willing to front the readys for him aswell RIP to the legend 🙏🙏🙏
@@Jammo1978 can't say I agree with you about holding bundles one day and being skint the next. From a personal angle I've never been anyone, although I done a bit of this 'n' that back in the day I supposre, yet when I was on the deck I still always had a few grand stashed away in the bank. When I say that I'm talking about when I was even in my 20's, never mind now that I'm in my 50's and relatively comfortable.
I didn't know the geezer and as far as I'm aware he never followed England so I wouldn't have even ever come across him without realising back in the 80's, so I'm in no position to cast judgement.
My only thoughts are there are those who was proper faces in the 80's and 90's becoming 'celebrity hooligans' that turned a quid and are still holding big money now. But then there's others who ended up dying young without two bob to rub together, Nottingham Forest, Chelsea and Carlisle spring to mind instantly.
I'm sounding right moody and disrespectful when I don't mean to be, just proper curious because of stuff I've heard that might or might not be true.
went 77, we had a great day out, we were aware and ready for graveyard.
Just a correction from Cass Pennants book its victoria ground not Bootham Cresent 😅
Bootham was Hull's ground, wasn't it - the old one?
Boothferry was Hull. Bootham was York. Same county. It's all 'booth' this / 'booth' that up there.
@@herbert9241 boothen end was stoke mate
@@chrisloweth3395 - Aha! There's the source of Cass' confusion. Thanks mate.
Cass Pennant talked alot of 💩
I have the book a while ago brings back memories
Kind words about my lot (Stoke) Seems like a different life back then. I'm 65 now, and yes. The graveyard, and the back streets of Stoke were where I did my hunting. As you say. No weapons just hand to hand. The Sea Lion in Stoke was where all the tough older guys hung out (ex boxers, doormen etc) It was run by a tough bugger but he'd let the odd few away boys in. You knew if one had got lippy or lairy as he'd be stretched out unconscious while people drank their beer. The fighting was like a drug back then. I've got arthritis in my effing knuckles and wrists now thanks to that.
Larry parks( sea lion)
Naughty 40 too fast too innocuous
Remember that flag in Split 😂?
Living in East London in the late 80s, I saw this musclebound guy swaggering towards me with a logo of ICF written on his white T-shirt and a dangerous glare on his face. I was just a kid so he took little notice of me and I didn't know too much about hooliganism, but I knew there was something wrong with the logo. I turned my head to take another look after he'd passed by, and on the back it read, 'Ice Cream Factors, Chelsea'! 😂
😂😂
Ice cream firm actually
Nice story 😴😴😴🤡
Story from a true “mivvi”
@@gc9017 What's a mivvi mate?
Best channel out there by far
Thankyou my friend
Knew bill , worked with him and next door neighbour, generous, funny and family man
Read it great book. Naughty was to boring for me tbh. Tranmere Rovers old boy not as they call themselves now the Stanley Boy's we never had a name. But awaydays is about the older boys never used weapons.
I from Stoke icf good firm stoke always had there boys who where up for a ruck naughty forty one of best firms
Ah I love hearing about the football firms and the fights back in the day
Great Video.👏
Cheers my brother hope Yr well
Stoke never played at bootham crescent .⚽😎
York City
Yes mate they got that wrong in book Victoria Ground
He does say in the book only stoke and Burnley used to be only the places they’d get trouble in the 70s.
Barnsley was another@@burnleytilidie1882
1st firm was Aberdeen in scotland by REMY
TRUE ! 👍
Liverpool showed you how to dress in 1980.
My experiences of Stoke are a proper firm always have been
My first encounter with West Ham was about 1970/71 when I accompanied an older relative to the Vic because he liked WH and I needed to stay away from meither. We were minding our own business going over the canal bridge to the station( before the D road was there!!). Behind us were at least 500 of us but in front about 100 WH stopped and formed a line across the road massive blokes half white lads half Black. Was well impressed (I was 15) they organised themselves into a couple of lines, threatening anyone who would run away. Our mob came up got about 15 yards away, took a look at what was in front of them and stopped. We were big in numbers and had plenty of lads who could look after themselves but their organisation spooked us and got them onto their trains. It was only in your era J when we finally got proper organised became a force👍😎⚽️
Don’t remember them coming to Upton Park
Correct...
Stoke a top mob for a number of years- we've had some run in with them over the years home and away. NUFC
Newcastle never had a top firm
Newcastle ...4KNL ... brought 9,000 one year ....only 5,000 official tickets. They did do some damage.
Stoke murdered us tbh but we got revenge back in 08!!@@martinpye549
@@martinpye549 bullshit
My grandad was a stoke fan so was my dad they always said the only thing worse than losing a fight is running away from one . I guess been game was more important to some people. Especially when ya got nothing but your pride. My grandad got trampled on by the police horse's back in the day guess he had a lot of pride not to budge😂
1998 at stoke was mayhem. mcfc.
The year they went down
yeah man, i remember that year
i was in burslem later in the evening and it went off with vale too after you lot had gone home 😆
my cousins were there. I was in Oz.
Since when did Stoke play at Bootham anything?
Bootham Crescent was Hulls old ground?
Hull was boothferry park
@@user-nd5fz5jd9o Thsts right. Went a few times. Right horrible place that. Always had to be on your toes.
V good vid 💯👍
Thanks mate
He dont sound like he from London does he.
Bootham crescent wasn’t stokes ground it was Victoria Ground
It was a mistake in the book. I'm from Stoke I know what it's called I was reading from the icf boom and put a correction up on the video
Bill Gardner is and always will be a legend. Jasper , well, he is one as well and one fine lad. He has helped plenty of Lads in Stoke over the years. I was born in Stoke, grew up in Oz, and was back as a young man through 88-92. I was naive to much of it, but remember Birmingham and Grimsby away especially. Got nicked a few times following Stoke about . Got myself into strife a few times too, and was pulled out of mither by Cossack, Jed and a few of the others. I was a hothead, and at 57 now, many say I still am. But I've mellowed. The N40 lads were sound as, still are. Ask Cardiff, Wolves, Man City to name a few. They were good times.
Top man Martin
Stokies aren't Northerners 😂
Anyone North of Watford Gap are northern according to the London lads
not moryhners just Midland hillybillys 😎
West ham never got done looooooool
Got run by Luton Migs fact
@@user-vl1kk7zu6greally?? never see that in the 80s fact.
@@user-vl1kk7zu6g I was just being funny mate
They came unstuck at Anfield in the 70's.
Never forget when I lived in the Bermondsey area think it was around the middle to late 90s and Millwall were playing stoke on a Sunday I kid you not they were in a pub in Bermondsey double early 300 handed and though I never saw nothing but did hear that they caught Millwall out can anyone confirm? I’m West Ham by the way and that graveyard 🪦 and walking towards the ground with the terraced houses I think the road split and it always went off up there especially in those streets good firm stoke 👍
aye it was tropics- they set it alight and gave Millwall a real shock by all accounts. NUFC
Millllll
That wasn’t the only time. We done millwall on London Bridge. 70 stoke lads. It was mental. I’m 57 now. About 15 years ago I met a lady sunbathing on the beach in Mexico. We got chatting and she was a retired underground police officer. The conversation got round to that London Bridge battle. I recall about 89. She said it was the worse violence she ever witnessed. Nasty in her words and she said stoke were impressive. I asked who are the worst team to come to London. Leeds she replied. But that was the worst she had seen. Fair play to the millwall. Top firm.
@@Inmyopinion10101 I was away in Northern Ireland in 89, id heard about it, can't see that happening, and we had Hull come down they were a good firm hull
Yes ur right Stoke run Millwall that day outclassed Millwall
Bookham crescent was York City. Not legitimate.
I watched the film cass based on a true story about a west ham hooligan from icf. Good film
Stoke lads were in that as extras
@@enquirer2.0 oh really didn't know that. Fight scenes were very good that'll be why there weren't acting it was there bread n butter and had plenty of experience in fighting. Great channel keep up the good work.
@justinnewton9509 Thanks mate. True story the blonde guy in the film can't remember his name got hit properly and had go hospital which caused him issues for another film he was supposed to be in after. I can't remember the actors name
@@enquirer2.0 I think I know the 1 you mean I did recognize him from rise of the foot solider or something like that. Occupational hazard I suppose.
Film pure fantasy Cass is a well known grass
Nothing big bashing the
Ice Cream Firm.. COYS..
Hello 😊
Hi 👋
Big Bill, after we woke up, a man at the end of his days remember him melting and denying who he was or what team he followed.
You can tell this is a load of old codswallop when the narrator, a supposed Stoke fan, says Bootham Crescent ground, the stadium of York City.
walleys the lot of them :(
I thought this said Ice T meets stoke . So I’m not watching
Stoke City have gone up and down all four divisions over the years: Stoke lads are no secret to anyone who follows football - through first hand experience or reliable testimony.
I'll never get dewey-eyed about 'the casual era' (I thought it was utter bollocks but I warmed to some of the lads as I got to know them) and I've never read a hooli book. Funny thing is, talking to 'younger' (under 40) lads these days, topic turns to footy and you impart a couple of anecdotes ... I'm often met with the assumption that I got it off some UA-cam upload - like they do. They think they can cite the same reference. Absolutely not. If I was talking about someone else's experiences as seen on a UA-cam upload - I would say exactly that. I don't understand the need to pretend you're someone else.
Completely agree . I was involved but went on to other things but still mates with the lads although it's all finished now imo. A lot of the city revolved round the football lads in Stoke from security to owning pub n clubs etc
Stoke's Bootham crescent ground ?
Naughty 40
And you still haven't grown up?
This is why everyone should say 'no' to inbreeding.
You're a Stokie?
Yes
@@enquirer2.0 And support West Ham?
From Stoke but support West ham
Why
Love the football stories can we av some men in black or Red army mufc
Stoke or West Ham never showed at Old Trafford during 70s and early 80s that's a fact i can tell you mate.
@@Bri-254 Evil place Utd Not for the faint hearted Shady especially for us Scousers
There's the Ferry one I can do
@@user-kg5vw6df7o
At least the scousers came back then mate and I can only remember Rangers being the other.
The only thing Stoke fans ever did was sling bricks at the away trains from a graveyard
Talk 💩💩 , if you could throw a brick from the stoke graveyard, you should be in the Olympics!!
Crystal Palace out of the station .... they were FULL bricks.
Graveyard ? Half bricks ?? ... we valued half bricks in Stoke. Helps to make new bottle kilns for the pottery industry. You must have been special if we gave you half a brick. Be a good throw from the graveyard to the station. They'd be on a Major League Baseball Contract and £30 million quid.
So they slung bricks almost two miles? That's got be a world record surely? Impressive if true.
Football Hooligan are worst than Gloryhunters not welcome at Football ground.Real football supporters shake hands after the game all the best for rest of the season.
What world do you live in ?
@@tonemc6047 Earth any more stupid question?
Younger fan not from the 70's 80's
Yeah, and then we ride home on our unicorns.
Stoke didn't play at Bootham Crescent, that was York City.
Birmingham bashed stoke all time home and away
Zulu 👊💥💯
RUBBISH! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Does truth hurt muppets stoke@@malthusXIII-fo3ep
@@malthusXIII-fo3ep uno it's truth truth hurts
Not true
Grow up
I’ve got that book in the photo with the congratulations your met the icf it’s a real good read and I’ve got a book on the stoke naughty 40 was it I’ve forgot without looking
Yes mate 'Naughty'
@@enquirer2.0 I thought so have a good weekend mate 👍
West brom Lloydy knocked one ov the top n40 lads sparkout right outside the brummie rd in the 80s, he got nict for it, was payback for wat happend in the glebe pub..
Handsworth boys were WBA main firm, rob Wilson and Dave, RIP Dave wilson
@@user-bu2fg6yq1q iv never heard ov them geezers pal..im 62..i was there all the time..the star & garter pub in town was our place..muttley, pona..lloydy..proper geezers..we dun stoke few times
@@user-bu2fg6yq1q yeh.my mate just said he new wilson..in 1979 in west brom town..no body cud take us
@@user-bu2fg6yq1q think yr getting mixed up with the smethwick lads..bowie..ect...
West Brom couldn’t run a bath
Jasper wasn't just a top lad at football he was a proper Fagan father type figure to the lads of all ages. Common knowledge up stoke that when jasper moved to the coast anyone with hard time issues addiction on the run or just needed a fresh start they were sent up to stay with him no questions asked