I'm sorry but My obelisk can attack directly, make me draw 10 cards, negates every card the opponent plays, cleans my room ,does the dishes and prepare excelent sandwiches
*You idiots do not even know what the word target means. I do not expect you to understand the validity of these complaints.* Now, ANY card that effects a single card or a set number of cards on the field count as cards that TARGET the individual monster cards. Full-clearly cards target the FIELD and not any individual card so THEY can work on God Cards. Unless you have a field-scale wipe card in your deck, you are SCREWED when facing a God-Card in regards to card effects. This idiot has the mental capacity of a spoon, so people call him out on it. Winged Dragon of Ra? There are cards that can essentially NEGATE that downside entirely. Slifer? *swarm decks have been the meta for a LONG time.* *Obelisk?*
assuming this comment wasn't ironic, I'll have to say: there are no cards that can negate Ra's downside that is worth playing. you can use all your resources to summon a big beatstick without killing off life points, but it gets removed in so many different ways from staples like dark hole, raigeki, kaiju, even mirror force. slifer's effect is completely useless, because the point with the so-called "swarm decks" is to create a board that can't be broken down. there will be plenty of negations and effects to disrupt you from summoning any god card. also, weaker monsters are usually summoned for their effects, meaning that the player could just special summon all the little combo pieces in defense position and end with a board filled with cards that slifer can't overcome. the primary reason people can't ever win with god cards, after all, is because it wastes so many resources for just a single boss monster that has essentially no protection, with the player being left vulnerable without any protection because you used up everything to make the useless beatstick.
dried persimmon, yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Life_Absorbing_Machine *You were saying? I will now be using one of the MANY 0TK decks that use swarming to summon a massive and "inefficient" monster with enough ATK to kill Jesus while urging him NOT to come back.* Actually play the game properly, and you will not need to have a monster immune to card effects that already should have been dealt with.
1Korlash they’re even worse. They had no writing but like 3 effects each. And ra has like a thousand hidden effects alone lol. They even made different versions of ra to use his effects with sphere and Phoenix mode. The ra card itself sucks but it’s other forms are halfway decent. Sphere mode even used to get side decked at some point lol.
Sorry, but my Obelisk negates and destroys everything. No, it doesn't say that on the card, but imagine how long the text would be if they wrote all he can do on it.
Actually you don't need to imagine, there is Oricas with the anime effects( oricacard.com/product/the-egyptian-god-lot-anime-effect/ ), I think maybe these people who comment played with cards like these(or against it, lol) and thought they were pre-errata or something
I believe the reason people think you can pay any amount for ra isn't so much because it gains it as its attack stat, but because of the anime. many probably remember how it worked there, and assumed the real life version was the same.
I am pretty sure in the anime Marik payed until he had 1 life point, and he clearly says he can choose how many life points he is left, so that is why people think they could do that I am pretty sure the gods are 100% imune to magic in the anime too... Well, the anime was broken that is a fact
Ignorance runs rampant online it's unavoidable. People are so trigger happy to leave a comment. Reading some of those comments actually cracked me up as they tell you to do your research when that statement alone makes it quite clear they didnt do theirs lol. You did a good job though addressing how they may have misunderstood without being rude. Keep up the great work buddy love your channel!!!!
Idk, it’s either Dzeef’s videos seems to be attracting these kind of people, or YGO just seems to have a lot more people that doesn’t even understand how TCG works. I literally spent a couple of days explaining card advantage on a thread in his Pot of Desires video. There is no way Obelisk wouldn’t be used in every single deck if it was immune to any effect at all.
It's neither his videos or the YGO community. People are like this online all the time. Even the most neutral comment or video can generate a lot of triggered responses. However, if you state your opinion on something, even if you make it as objective as you can, like the original video does, oh, boy, you are in for a ride. People just don't accept someone sharing their opinions on anything, even Yu-Gi-Oh.
Official-TwinkleFart Everything. Do you draw from your opponents deck? The grave? The banished pile? Their grave? Their banish pile? A FRIENDS DECK?!!! WHO KNOWS
Lots of people can't understand the God cards because the can't speech ancient Egyptian to awaken Ra. I have yet to see a YCS where anyone fuses with the god cards
I’ve yet to see a YCS where anyone fused themselves with their Malefic Truth Dragon. It’s no wonder why Malefics aren’t topping. Nobody’s playing the card correctly.
"You can pay LP so that you only have 100 LP left; this card gains ATK and DEF equal to the amount paid." Let's break this down: "You can" means that the person who plays the card has the option to activate this effect. What is the effect? There are two parts to the effect. The first part is a cost, the second part is a benefit. The cost: pay LP so that you only have 100 LP left. The card does not say "up to". If you activate the effect, you must pay LP in a manner so that you only have 100 LP left. The benefit: the card gains xx/xx equal to the amount you payed in the previous part. I.E. the card gains (Your LP before effect -100)/(Your LP before effect -100). There is literally no ambiguity here.
@@LCDqBqA you can normal summon 3 blue eyes in one turn. (I see a plane in the sky flying over me as the force of the speed and mass generates a massive r/woooosh)
Its pretty funny that people don’t understand the targeting thing as even the anime elaborated on that point in the final duel where Yugi uses cards that don’t target the Gods to weaken them, stating it affected the field rather than the monster itself, though I suppose a lot of people never saw that far.
Jeffrey Monhollen it actually is when you are just getting back into the game after almost 12 years of not playing at all and now the card crams a whole novella of text into a tiny box that you have to strain your eyes to properly read and memorize. Also Konami sucks at their wording. I can easily see how new and returning players can get confused or easily misinterpret the card rules.
I think that a lot of these misconceptions come from the fact that people remember the effects from the anime and don't bother to read the actual printed cards. Maybe a video comparing and explaining both would help for people too lazy or too stubborn to read. I'm still impressed at how people try to argue that their RA can do whatever they want or that slifer can't be targeted and stuff like that.
Some people probably have fake copies as well, which meant they didn't even have the opportunity to read the real card effects. I remember getting a blue Obelisk from my friend way back when, similar to what's shown on 10:00. No card effects; just flavor text. I only knew about their real effects years later when I tried one of the YGO video games and saw their card text there.
the only problem w god cards is that they made them too weak compared to their original anime effect. they could've made a more anime alike version, still w original colors, effect from the anime or close and keepin them banned
I've heard Ra is really good because you can summon him from the hand, deck or graveyard and he negates all effects you opponents control while also leaving them with 1 life point and dealing 1000 burn damage during each phase. Sadly I can't summon him because I don't know ancient Egyptian.
1:46 there is one comment put up there that is correct, being Christopher Henderson's. His comment states that you can pay any amount, as long as you end up with 100 LP left.
while that might be true, I read that comment as saying you have to have at least 100 LP left or in other words if you have for example 500 LP left that counts as having 100 LP left and an additional 400. Like if someone asks you do have an apple you don't answer no i have 3 apples, because that's not what he wanted to know
When it comes to the god cards, it normally only becomes an issue when I'm playing a nostalgia game with my old high school chums, since they insist upon using the anime rules for the god cards. ...and I generally let them, since I'm the only one who continued to play past the synchro era in my circle of friends, and their 150 card deck that's "totally awesome because it has dark magician, blue eyes, all the egyptian gods, and all five pieces of exodia" is already so easy to beat, even if I use a GOAT format deck, that I'd feel bad if I didn't give them some kind of handicap. >.>
Oh, it is, don't get me wrong! My friends are kinda like a time capsule to how the game used to be. Like, My high school days were from 2002-2006, the game was way different back then. "Archetypes" weren't really a thing, and decks were generally just 'Frankenstein's monsters' of whatever good cards existed cobbled together. I showed them my D/D deck a couple months back, since D/D is probably the best archetype in YGO to showcase the entire evolution of the game from 2006 to the present, and they were like "huh, so your cards help each other out? That's cool!" Before they said that, I'd forgotten that that wasn't really a thing that happened with cards back in our era!
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I come from the same era. It was the Duelist Kingdom/Battle City era. Battle city is where it really got off for us. We were around 9 years old back then.
A caveat to Pokemon is if an area is public information and a card says a number, you MUST do however many that card says. For example, Super Rod says put in any combination of 3 basic energy or Pokemon from your discard pile back to your deck. Since the discard pile is public info to the game state, you MUST put 3 back into the deck if there are at least 3. A card like Brigette says to put 3 basics (or 1 EX) from the deck to the bench. Since the deck is private information, you can put 0, 1, 2, or 3 onto the bench. It doesn't matter if your opponent, for some reason, knows that you have more, because the game state itself does not know.
...unlike yugioh, where if you have a insufficient targets, you have to reveal your entire deck to verify. ...which, albeit just personal opinion, is nice. It penalizes you for lying the way you could with your Brigette example, and as long as you pay attention, you won't trigger that by accident. ever. unless you actually did try to lie and say you had less than you do... which would be a *ridiculously* stupid thing to do.
I had this same ruling issue with blue-eyes shining dragon lol. Speaking of which! Will you do a video talking about why no one plays blue-eyes shining dragon?
Noone playes Shining because it requires you to play fusion cards in a non-fusion oriented deck, it's bricky and hard to summon and even if you do manage to somehow summon it, it only has a targetting negation effect and an ATK gaining effect. So, you can either do that or just run something like Twin Burst if you really want to fuse in your blue-eyes. It's a contact fusion, has battle protection, can attack twice per turn and has a banishing effect if it doesn't destroy the thing it wanted to destroy
cinansnickem it has a designation negation effect. I’m pretty sure that means it’s what everyone thought obelisk was, and literally the only counter for shining is magic cylinder. Unless I’m missing something because you go through so much effort to get shining dragon out it’s intended to just be a game winner.
My theory is that misinformation is one of the biggest reasons people don't understand rulings and card effects. In middle school(I'm in college now) a childhood friend and I use to cheat by making up effects for cards. It was a childish thing to do looking back since we lied to the other kids we played with by proclaiming ridiculous effects that gave us an unfair advantage. The kids we lied to never questioned us and for all I know they may grow up still believing that those effects we made up were real. With that being said I'm definitely not the first person in the world to spread misinformation about card effects and rulings. My real life example: I played MagicTG in high school and i remember playing with many different students who played at lunch and after school clubs. I remember having to constantly check rulings because it wasn't uncommon for someone(usually a newcomer) to use card effects incorrectly. Some would even stand by the fact that their ruling is correct because it's the way they always played, even if I had the correct rule pulled up on my phone they'd still be in denial. But the fact that he/she had been supposedly playing a card incorrectly their whole life tells me that they were misinformed and then went on to misinform other for possibly years of playing. I feel like misinformation isn't too uncommon in the casual scene of any TCG whether its because someone lied about and/or misunderstood a ruling.
I think the confusion with Ra is partly because of how Yami Marik in the anime says that he can pay as many life points as he wants to boost Ra's attack, and then chooses to pay everything except 1 life point during his battle with Yami Bakura.
I mean, if you're going to play Ra you should probably be playing Sphere Mode (and maybe Phoenix Mode) anyway so maybe those cards should be introduced into the discussion about Ra's playability
He ignores the effect fulltime that you cant activate anything when Ra has been normal summoned. And as much as i know the Monsters with most Base attack have 5000. So you only need Ra with more attack than youre enemys Strongest Monster and you won. Because youre enemy cant activate anything to destroy Ra or do damage to your LP. Ra basically Blocks all types of effects like Jinzoh did it with traps. So if you play Ra like you should Play him the Card is an Instand Win
@@TheDeathsoldier98 Ra is only unaffected during the point when he is normal summoned. Once his normal summon is resolved, you can activate whatever you want to destroy Ra. Same with obelisk with the expectation of targeting effects. It's that simple
7:06 is the most depressing part of the video... Someone actually commented "How can you destroy Obelisk with Dark Hole if he can't be targeted by spells?"... ... ... Dark Hole... A NON targeting destruction spell... I just... I... I can't anymore...
People get so stuck in the way they played back in middle school most believe in rulings and mechanics that just didn’t even exist and refuse to be corrected by others more knowledgeable
I was once introduced to a fake rule that said that they're are some cards that work as special tools called superchargers. These super chargers can be played from the hand and boost any monsters effect or in some cases give them new effects. The person who told me the rule later said he was bullshitting the whole time.
@@Doceli-dg3cn He didn't even need the rule to win. He's a pretty good player in his own right, and he knows the actual ruling for the cards. I guess he just thought we were gullible enough to believe it. I did have my suspicions from the start, as when he introduced the concept, he said we wouldn't be able to find anything about it on google. The effects also seemed way to overpowered and the way you could tell a card was a supercharger was so roundabout it was incredible we ever believed it n the first place.
For some reason, I believed that the attack points of the Winged Dragon of Ra (or Mega Ultra Chicken) were based on the three monsters that were tributed for its summon. I guess that was an anime effect. In retrospect, that would be super over powered as a 15000 attack Ra could be summoned with any possible response.
Not really. Beatsticks aren't really that important in yu-gi-oh. Gran maju garzett is a 2 tribute monster that gains attack based on the monster you tribute. The problem with Beatsticks is that they can easily be storming or quaking mirror forced. And also, if ra is flipped face-down, like with quaking mirror force, those attack points no longer exist.
Because they were in the show, and that makes him playable compared to his current "pay all of your life points or this card has no stats" effect. The fact that his other effect costs life points is basically just a joke at this point. Seriously, how could they leave that off?
As someone whose played a lot of Magic (and comparably, far less YuGi, but some), and has seen the effects of "rules text phrasing that seems ambiguous to novices", the biggest rule of thumb (which only applies to well-written card games, mind) I have is: If the cards were meant to have the same effect, they'd be worded the same way. If they were meant to work differently, they'll be phrased differently. The fact that Bark of Dark Ruler exists and is phrased differently to Ra, but seems to have the same effect as Ra (meaning the increments of life points paid is up to the player to decide), should be enough to clue you in that *these effects work differently*.
Myself and my group of friends always wondered how you knew if something 'Targeted' when it feels like it should, but then I found about that it was literally just "if it says target, it targets" And was like "ooooh" which helped us :') Also, I used to use the old copies (the ones unable to be used in a duel) before I knew Algebra, and thought that because Slifer had X000 attack points, and that X was the Roman Numeral of 10, then obviously he has 10,000 attack points
Apparently the one exception about "every card that targets says target" is equip spells, which all are implied to target even though they don't say it. It's a weird ruling, but it's hurt me before
...granted, what equip cards would you even want to play outside of Moon Mirror Shield, or more casually, Noble Knights? (ignoring Equip Beatstick OTK ft. Mage Power and United We Stand) ...well, i suppose stuff like Inzektors and ABC/VWXYZ as well, but i'm pretty sure the 'can't be targeted' wouldn't be applicable there except in extremely niche circumstances.
I didn't comment but I actually didn't know the games had separate banlists. I didn't use them anyway because I was too busy making a deck around Thunder Nyan Nyan.
So you're telling me that if I possess all three of the egyptian God cards I won't be able to use the unstoppable power of the ancient pharoh on my opponent??
They did release Creator God of Light Horakhty (or Holactie on at least one Yugioh wiki, but that’s obviously not the right transliteration), which does that exactly.
The effect, that Ra gains the sum of ATK and DEF from the monsters that were tributed for it was actually his effect in some of the video games, for example YGO GX Spirit Caller. Maybe that's another source from which people get confused on that matter. It was *never* a part of the OCG.
My fav example of target vs non target is Hieratic Sun Dragon Overlord of Heliopolis, the effect reads, Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; Tribute any number of monsters from your hand and/or your side of the field (minimum 1), then destroy an equal number of cards on the field. You still pick what cards and how many cards are destroyed but it does not target.
Compared to Raigeki? It's still not as good, due to eating up a lot of hand advantage, although at least you get to destroy spell/traps as well. In Hieratics? At least you get to plus from the tributed Hieratic monsters' effects, but Hieratics themselves aren't good either these days. You also have to consider the effort of making that Rank 8, which'll consume a bit of hand advantage even before you get to start destroying things with it's effects. It *does* however, make a good example of targeting vs non-targeting, i agree.
I use it with Blue Eyes, so its really easy to make (2 lvl 8), but I have better situational options like number 77 or 95 or Crystal wing synchro. I usually only pull out Hieratic if something cant be targeted or if i need to get rid of backrow, (blue eyes's second worst weakness imo)
The targeting thing was actually a rule in the anime as well. In the last episode, Yugi used a spell card on Obelisk, and it worked because it didn’t actually target him. The language they used wasn’t quite that technical, but it was essentially the same thing.
I thought that ra’s ”gain attack equal to the monsters used to bring it out” was actually how the card worked since we were using the unplayable version and thought that we did not need to google the effect.
I remember when I was a kid I thought my Thousand Eyes Restrict was unkillable, and the first time I managed to summon it in the video game it was destroyed by “ Giant Rat “ or something. The rules from the game are not the same as the rules you make up from the shows.
I swear one of the reasons that Winged Dragon of Ra life point effect gets misinterpreted the way it does so often is because of its second effect. There's no way they made you spend all but 100 of your life points and then asks you to spend another 1000 to use its destruction effect, riiiiight???
You should do a video where you fix the god cards. They are such a huge part of many fan's childhood. It sucks that Konami made them so bad. What effects would you give them to make them worth it in modern YGO?
What they would need the most is more support cards. Like a monster that counts a 3 tributes, or a card that adds a god card from your deck/graveyard to your hand.
Jacob the three tribute card would also have to be able to special summon itself and the deck would have to run brilliant fusion, which would already be giving dead draws because of garnet
Better candidates for the title of Mega Ultra Chicken: -Horus the Black Flame Dragon LVL8 -Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys -The Atmosphere -Any high level bird/bird-like monster that isn't TWDR
That dude who said summoning an Egyptian God with 3 tributes is no different than a Link summon is an idiot. 1. Link Summoning is a special summon, so it doesn't take up your normal summon for the turn like a God Card would. 2. Link monsters come from the Extra Deck, meaning they don't have to be in your hand to be useable. 3. Not all Link Monsters require 3 monsters to be summoned. And as an honorable mention as another difference I found between the 2 that doesn't have anything to do with the game itself 4. I don't understand how Link Summoning works, as opposed to Tribute summoning, which I do understand.
Da_Swifta Quick rundown on Link Summoning: Link Monsters are a special type of Monster that are in the Extra Deck, with a foil blue background. They do not have a Def stat, and cannot be in Defense mode (or facedown, IIRC). Each Link Monster has a number of arrows pointing in some of the cardinal or diagonal directions; the number of Link Arrows it has is equal to its Link Rating. To summon a Link Monster, you tribute a number of monsters exactly equal to its Link Rating, with certain restrictions listed on the card (say, 4 monsters with 2+ of them being Warriors). Link Monsters may be tributed as well, and may be treated as either one monster, or a number equal to its Link Rating (so, say, a Link-4 could be Summoned by tribute get a Link-3 and another monster, as 3+1=4), so long as you still satisfy the Link Monster’s requirements. Then, you may Link Summon the Link Monster onto the field in a valid area. Now, the “in a valid area” part is one of the major rules changes in Master Rule 4; two new zones called the Extra Monster Zones have been added to the field between the two players’ Monster Zones. These are initially the only zones you can play Extra Deck monsters (Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, and some Pendulums), and each players can only use one of them at a time, with an exception I’ll get to later (§). However, you can place more ED monsters by playing Link Monsters: while a Link Monster is on the field, Extra Deck monsters can now be played into any zone its arrows point to (including the opponent’s). This includes more Link Monsters, opening up more of the field for you to play ED monsters in. § This exception is something known as an Extra Link. Basically, if two Link Monsters both have arrows pointing to each other, they are co-linked. An Extra Link is a chain of co-linked Link Monsters that connect the two Extra Monster Zones; even if you have already played a monster in one EMZ, you may also play one in the other if it would create an Extra Link.
Some ASCII art if it will help! Initially, there are two Extra Monster Zones, and each player may only use one at a time: mmmmm e e mmmmm However, suppose you have a Link Monster with arrows pointing like this: ^ M / \ After making the right tributes, you can play it in one of the EMZs, and it will open up more zones for ED monsters: mmmem e L mmeme You could then potentially play another Link Monster like this: < L > Into one of the zones to open up more: mmmem e L m e L e e
Simple YUGIOH rule explanation: "Unaffected" is way to different than "cannot be targeted" Actually when talking about spell/trap cards, The Legendary Fisherman III is better than the Obelisk. Fisherman is "unaffected by spell/trap effects while Obelisk "cannot be targeted" by card effects. Dark Hole, enough talk.
I love how the comments are divided. There are people who actually ask about anything in a very polite way and there are others who just attack you for no reason at all. Thanks for the vid man! It is really useful for a lot of us :)
I wish they would reprint the god cards with erratas that made them as good as they are in the anime (basically their current effects but unaffected by spells/traps and non divine beasts effects).
"i wish the god cards were completely banned and would never return" is what i just read. cuz keep in mind not ebing effected by spells and traps isnt the only difference. obelisk received infinite attack for the 2 tributes as an example
Master Discord He didn’t get infinite attack, though he did get infinite from absorbing the other gods, though the god cards definitely need a buff, especially ra, his effect is just sad. Also, instead of being completely immune to all spells/traps, maybe once per turn they get a negation effect for s/t? Like Seal of Orichalcos.
The reason people are confused by Ra's effect is: 1). Yu-Gi-Oh! card effects are stupid confusing and often they don't even English properly. 2). English is a stupidly confusing language and often it doesn't even logic properly. Grammatically, the semicolon between the cost and the effect mucks up the whole business. A semicolon links 2 independent thoughts that are so related that a period should not (even though it can) divide them. The text: "... equal to the amount of LP paid," puts the ATK/DEF gained value in flux. Because we're relying on a semicolon here, we can naturally assume that, given the preceding clause is optional, the current clause is also optional. Further, given that the gained value in question is variable, we assume that the payment is equivalently variable. The effect is further confused by the proceeding effect. "You can pay 1000 LP..." Well, if RA's initial effect causes me to drop down to 100 LP, why would its secondary effect need me to pay 1000 LP? (I know that, given Yu-Gi-Oh!, your explanation of the card text is, in fact, accurate ; I'm just sayin' I can certainly understand how people might be confused by it. And, also, I always though you could select the amount of LP sacrificed for the card).
In all honesty, reading what you said makes the correct interpretation even more rational to me. The cards effects are listed after the conditional with a normal colon and seperated by commas. "When this card is Normal Summoned:" Then we get the effects. "You can pay LP so thay you only have 100 left;this card gains ATK and DEF equal to the amount of LP paid. You can pay 1000 LP, then target 1 monster on the field; destroy that target. The colon indicates everything after is what you CAN do. Both effects start out with what action you CAN take by saying "You can". The semi colons seperate the action you can take and the result of that action. Both actions and results are seperated by periods to indicate they are not related. There really isnt any room to interpret that the amount of LP you pay is optional, because that language is all in the first clause of the first effect, and it doesnt present any kind of variable. It isnt about the english itself, its actually quite robust in explaininh what this cars in particular can do. People think that you can pick the amount of LP to sacrifice because that was an effect that was explained everytime Ra was onscreen in the anime. This is also why people still think that Egyptian Gods cant be killed by Spells, Traps, or Monster Effects. There isn't any excuse.
I actually made a god card deck once. It revolved around giving extra normal summons and generating tribute fodder for the gods (Skapeghost, Fluffal Mouse, Card Advance, etc.), running “Monarchs” cards for beefy tribute summoning support (especially the trap monster that counted as two tributes for any choice of attribute- I chose Devine obviously), as well as Abusing the heck out of Sphere Mode, Precious Cards from Beyond, and Lighten the Load. Then, I summoned “The Creator God Of Light. Horakhty” for the win (that is, if the gods didn’t work for me by then). It was (almost) good enough to defeat a Magical Musket deck. My opponent had to search-milll all but two cards in his deck to beat me. And being Muskets, search-milling every card in their deck is what they often do best. You were right about one thing though- a dark hole did kill obelisk by the end of the duel. That is, after 20 of his cards (including his Raigeki, the only other card in his deck that would have saved him) were banished by Pot(s) of Desires during his scramble for a card for which to defeat Obelisk with. That duel was the closest I ever got to beating his extreme, combo-strategy based decks of overpowered meta stupidity, or any meta/strategy based decks for that mater. So in short, I think the gods are slightly better than the video claims, and that a god-based deck can be (somewhat) practical and fun to try. This is still a good video BTW. Sorry for (slightly defensive) the rant/rebuttal.
No, it's not really that surprising to me. I knew the deck wasn't meta, but it was a powerful deck for me to deal with nonetheless- he's the kind of guy who specially orders all the cards of an entire deck online and has separate copies of raigeki, dark hole, and the solemn brigade in each deck. None of my other decks were ever powerful enough to stand a chance against him. Out of all of his decks, however, this duel was the closest victory- and I still lost. (Well, except an extremely lucky time with a Jackpot 7 deck, but I didn't have enough LP left to finish the combo and win) (Keeping in mind that his "Other Decks" includes Yosenjus and Noble Knights, as well as several other ones that were probably just as good)
So in theory with ra (not saying this is practical or you should ever try to do it) you could summon ra, choose not to pay life points and give him attack power. Then he would be at 0 atk/def points but you could start paying chunks of 1000 life points to destroy your opponents monsters. never thought about it that way.
Conor Buckman Raigeki destroys every monster your opponent controls, if they have a full board of 5(6 monsters with the extra monster zone), you can just use raigeki and kill 6 monsters with no cost. To do that with Ra, you have to tribute 3 monsters and then pay 5000/6000 life points
Crucificient Then you're going plus on card advantage in the most convoluted way possible only to die on the backswing cause you just paid 5000 and have a 0 atk monster on the field. But dark hole is for chumps right? And it's not like you ever lose with ra stuck in hand
It's interesting watching this from the perspective of a mtg player. Since there's specifically a creature ability regarding obelisk's effect called Hexproof. I made the same mistake at first, but it's one of everyone's first misinterpretations when they pick up magic.
Here's a topic for you: How would you make the cards playable? As in: What changes would you make so they could be viable? Not that they'd ever do that. Just as a fun hypothetical video.
Slifer: Make it so its effect doesn't require the monster to be summoned in attack position. Also, give target protection. (It becomes an annoying floodgate) Obelisk: Make him able to attack after using his effect (It becomes a pretty good boss monster) Ra: give him atk = to atk of tributed monsters. Also make it so the opponent can't respond to its attacks. (It becomes an OTK tool)
Whoa, So when the card text of The Winged dragon of Ra's point to point transfer effects said pay all until you have 100 of your life points to boost Ra's Attack power... They really meant pay all until you have 100 of your points.
Yeah, but if you explain it to them they still believe that you're wrong. The same can be said about players who discard Dark World monsters as a cost and are assuming that this will trigger their effects. Hell, it gets even worse if people don't know that a card is actually missing its timing. Please make a video about these two things as well! :)
granted, before the simplified text there were a lot of cards with unexplained timings. I remember playing in high school, and a lot of times we had to look up rulings on the internet because cards didn't explain their timing well enough.
Konami should pay you for the pacience and information you're feeding to all the people that don't understand how Yu-Gi-Oh! works. Not even joking, you're doing a great job. I don't play the TCG, I only play Duel Links (which now I see a lot of people talking shit about, even tho is a nice YGO format), but I love your content and will keep watching your videos, even the ones I don't really get, like the deck profiles. If I ever play the TCG It'll be because of you! Thanks! This is the best pack opening channel.
I do not understand pretty much anything about the game but I enjoy watching your videos, so if it means anything from someone who doesn't understand the game at all (never played or tried to just watched a couple of shows etc) I still love watching your vids. When I get a bit more time on my hands I definitely will try and learn the game and play but as of now I like your content.
So in the anime, kaiba specifically states, " the only cards that could over power exodia" so my friends and i always said that the gyptian God cards could negate exodia
I thought that the effect of Ra was pretty clear based on this text. It always implied to me that when Ra is summoned, you have the option of paying all but 100 of your life points, as a cost. And then Ra gained ATK equal to the number of life points payed. I can kinda see where people are coming from though. And while I don't think Ra's text is super vague myself, I do feel like Ra could be made a bit more clear if they phrased it as "When this card is Normal Summoned: You can pay all but 100 of your LP; this card gains ATK and DEF equal to the amount of LP paid." It's not perfect, but I think that the phrasing I used better illustrates the fact that you can either pay all of your LP except 100, or not pay at all. Also, the anime ruling was generally the same. Although from what I remembered they did phrase it more closely to the way I did (Saying "I can pay all but 1 of my life points to fuse with Ra" or something). Also, Ra isn't the "exact same" as Backs to the Wall, and I think you've actually missed what makes Ra more confusing. I don't think the ATK gain is what makes Ra confusing, and I don't think that the ATK gain is what makes Backs to the Wall easier to understand. I think that the reason people understand Backs to the Wall better is that Backs to the Wall's cost is *MANDATORY*. That's the distinction. When you activate Backs to the Wall, the paying of LP is a mandatory effect. There's no "cans" or anything in there. Because Backs to the Wall is a mandatory effect, and is phrased as a mandatory effect; I think that's why Backs to the Wall's phrasing works. And why I think you missed the point when you were talking about it. This also applies to Icarus Attack, since it's a mandatory effect.
I commented, explaining how the effects of Ra counter each other because of the fact that it took the stats of the sum of the tributed monsters' stats, with an optional boost from paying life points, but they made the clashing effects on the official version, which is dumb.
hahaha! I love when people read the "cannot be targeted by spell/trap/monster effects" wrong. Dark hole doesn't target, mirror force doesn't target, etc. xD Honestly, I like Slifer over obelisk for the simple -2000 attack to all enemy monsters and auto destroy unless they set and flip. But it's not viable in competitive. I'm casual :P
Well to be honest, if you managed to somehow summon Slifer back during the time it came out, most monsters didn't have 3000+ attack points, so if you had even one card in your hand, your opponent would have trouble running it over. Effect removal notwithstanding.
You say that but my god card says that it has the effect to special summon itself when a blue-eyes card is destroyed by battle or my opponent's card effect and if it does, my opponent is burned 600 damage for every dragon with a different name in my GY.
Heyho, I know this is old, but I got a question: What's the difference between Slifers/Ras ? Attack/Defense points and 0 Attack/Defense points? I thought ? A/D would mean if they change their attack, the new value would be their base attack, but apparently I'm mistaken and as long as it doesn't explicitely state that base values are changed ? just means 0... so why is it ? and not 0?
Basically: ra and slifers attk and def can be changed through their effects, same with the king of the skull servants. A zero attk and def monster can't change their attk and defence through their effects, either because they don't have one or their effect just doesn't increase attk and defence. Also zero attk and def monsters have zero attk and def as their original attk and defence while Slifer, ra and king of the skull servants original attk and def are based one certain factors. Hope that wasn't too confusing for ya
@@phantomnite But what about e.g. "Satellite Cannon" or "Armityle the Chaos Phantasm" ? Do they still got 0 ATK because they are expected to fall back to 0, so it's more like a buff rather than e.g. Kotsk where it's (figuratively) a power source? And so basically, it's just flavour, but treated the same in terms of rulings?
In the words of Seto Kaiba in battlecity "it has some hidden effects not written on the card..." lol that was the stupidest thing. I agree with you dude.
I love people defending the god cards from blind nostalgia like if you think they are so good take em to a regional or a local even and you can easily see how "broken" they are
I think the reason that people (myself included) get confused with Ra is because it says you CAN pay to 100 and not that you HAVE to. I feel that if Ra would ever be reprinted that that change in text would help many players out and would definitely help to build a more knowledgeable player base. I know this video is older but i wanted to put my two sense in lol
“If it targets the card text will include the word target.” That doesn’t sound right to me. I understand some cards printed before psct were later changed to include target: d prison, compulse, bom, etc, but the effect of equip cards to equip themselves is targeting and yet many equip cards do not specify this. Also certain monster effects that include equipping opponents monsters to them is a targeting effect (vaccuumen) despite not saying target anywhere on the card as well as other cards with the same effect that are older saying target (thousand eyes restrict) or select (which became target)
With equip spells, it should be pretty damn obvious that you're targeting. After all you're specifically affecting one monster on the field with that card. With monsters equipping themselves or other monsters, a lot of those are union monsters and the rest I think do say target, could be wrong but I'm sure they do.
I don't understand how the people commenting don't understand these cards, I haven't even played this game since I was 16 that was 12 years ago and I understood and still understand them perfectly.
The source of the confusion is that, for many years, the Egyptian God cards didn't have tournament-legal versions and all we had access to were the illegal versions that had flavor text instead of effects. Anyone interested in how the God cards hypothetically played back then had to look to their anime counterparts for their effects.
5thDimensionDragon if you have 10 above the 100 you pay the ten if you have 100 or less you punch yourself in the face for being dumb enough to summon ra onto the field
Even to this day when my brother or myself misreads something even after triple-checking what it says only to discover much later we had misread, we say that thing "Kozaky'd". This is so named because when Giant Kozaky was released over a decade ago, it took both of us weeks or even months to notice that the card said that it dealt its damage to you and not to your opponent, despite both of us repeatedly reading the card's effect.
They suck He says, as I receive the special edition2020 Ra in duel links Your deck can't gain that many LP I say, as I add it to my swordsman deck You can't gain the perfect amount of LP I shout, as I make my LP go to 7000 You can surrender I cry, as I summon him Nice I say while looking at my 6900 ATK/DEF Ra
So Obelisk would be good or at least better when it would say "isnt affected by spell/traps and so on"? Just jumped back on the Yugioh train after 8 years dont know much yet :D
Bet he would even see some play then. "Can't be destroyed by card effects" would be the real boss effect here. But then you can still banish him. Defeating him in battle would be the thougher one.
It would be a solid tower monster with that effect, yes. Probably still a little bit to expensive for what you get, but definitely usable. You gotta consider that stuff like Utopia the Lightning exists, a one turn 5000 ATK beatstick that can just overrun Obelisk in battle.
@@nikolaikolev8252 wow yes you taught me how to play and what to do! ill rather waste 3 cards to summon a 100% not garbage beatstick beatstick that will get destroyed during my opponents standby phase instead of using them for actual good effects that can make me win and if it survives till battlephase i totally wont get my 7900 atk RA borrelsworded (an actual good link monster that needs 4 "tributes")
can we explore the mentality of why players (usually newer players, or even just casual players in general) feel the compulsive need to play the god cards in ALL their decks in the first place? cuz i've seen a TON of people both at my locals and online (especially in duel links lately during the gladiator island event) where players have at least a single god card, some number and/or combination of dark magician, blue-eyes, and red-eyes, or the five exodia pieces and they don't understand why they're losing games. they're also usually 50-60 cards (or more... lol) and have all sorts of random shit in the deck that has little to no synergy with any other cards. i even have one guy at my locals who plays one of each charmer monster in his deck, along with a copy of things like shadow tamer, the "element" monsters, and a bunch of other random stuff and he still doesn't understand why i can beat him with even low tier decks. (he even played all five exodia pieces face down, flipped them face up and then tried to say he won the game because he apparently didn't read the cards enough to know that they all have to be in your hand...)
he wasn't playing against me, lol. he was playing another player, and he had set them all and been preventing the opponent from attacking with swords of revealing light. (the opponent was also a relatively new player as well, so bluffing set cards as mirror force is much more effective) i looked over from my game and i face palmed pretty damn hard, lol.
In dual links at least in the Early game I've noticed if your monster has higher attack then your opponent can bring out you just kinda win. (Some of them don't even set what the heck?) Also the God cards have different effects then the official physical cards. I have Slifer and He does basically have his anime effects He has no protection but he Does take away 2000 attack points from any summoned monster and if it goes to 0 it is destroyed. I don't know how the others are different but I imagine they are.
@@FeanixFlamage Also playing the God cards gives you a pretty big bonus in points at the end of the Dule So the game does actually give you Incentive to use them.
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I'm sorry but My obelisk can attack directly, make me draw 10 cards, negates every card the opponent plays, cleans my room ,does the dishes and prepare excelent sandwiches
Masquerade Just like mine
You do? I wish my slifer did chores, all he does is produces movies and games.
I won my locals by drawing my Obelisk.
E-Hero Stratos in all his executive glory
I wish my Obelisk made sandwiches 😔
Of course, most commenters cannot read hieroglyphic writings. Don't expect them to understand the God Cards.
*You idiots do not even know what the word target means. I do not expect you to understand the validity of these complaints.*
Now, ANY card that effects a single card or a set number of cards on the field count as cards that TARGET the individual monster cards. Full-clearly cards target the FIELD and not any individual card so THEY can work on God Cards. Unless you have a field-scale wipe card in your deck, you are SCREWED when facing a God-Card in regards to card effects. This idiot has the mental capacity of a spoon, so people call him out on it. Winged Dragon of Ra? There are cards that can essentially NEGATE that downside entirely. Slifer? *swarm decks have been the meta for a LONG time.* *Obelisk?*
assuming this comment wasn't ironic, I'll have to say: there are no cards that can negate Ra's downside that is worth playing. you can use all your resources to summon a big beatstick without killing off life points, but it gets removed in so many different ways from staples like dark hole, raigeki, kaiju, even mirror force. slifer's effect is completely useless, because the point with the so-called "swarm decks" is to create a board that can't be broken down. there will be plenty of negations and effects to disrupt you from summoning any god card. also, weaker monsters are usually summoned for their effects, meaning that the player could just special summon all the little combo pieces in defense position and end with a board filled with cards that slifer can't overcome.
the primary reason people can't ever win with god cards, after all, is because it wastes so many resources for just a single boss monster that has essentially no protection, with the player being left vulnerable without any protection because you used up everything to make the useless beatstick.
dried persimmon, yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Life_Absorbing_Machine
*You were saying? I will now be using one of the MANY 0TK decks that use swarming to summon a massive and "inefficient" monster with enough ATK to kill Jesus while urging him NOT to come back.* Actually play the game properly, and you will not need to have a monster immune to card effects that already should have been dealt with.
That heiroglyphic text only applied to Ra. So for Slipher and Obelisk, the commenters have no excuse.
1Korlash they’re even worse. They had no writing but like 3 effects each. And ra has like a thousand hidden effects alone lol. They even made different versions of ra to use his effects with sphere and Phoenix mode. The ra card itself sucks but it’s other forms are halfway decent. Sphere mode even used to get side decked at some point lol.
dzeeff is just trying to get us to think these cards are trash so he can get all three and rule the world
Judging by your profile pic that claim is just as ridiculous ( jk no hate)
The best conspiracy theory I've ever seen.
@Krumzebell Abethabek I could say the same to you.
dzeeff is secretly marik ishtar in disguise. I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHA
What a Noob. Everyone knows, Obelisk is uneffected by Mirror Force. "Such a week trap card can't stop an Egyptian God" - Kaiba.
Please tell me this is a joke.
It is a joke, all god cards were inmune to traps in the anime (except that time they didn't)
Your a big noob if you think that
@@pixelant2377 that's why it's a joke
Before he got as blasted in 2 seconds
Sorry, but my Obelisk negates and destroys everything. No, it doesn't say that on the card, but imagine how long the text would be if they wrote all he can do on it.
jogabonito1848 No obelisk doesn’t do that
Damn, you got me. Definitely wasn't joking.
Actually you don't need to imagine, there is Oricas with the anime effects( oricacard.com/product/the-egyptian-god-lot-anime-effect/ ), I think maybe these people who comment played with cards like these(or against it, lol) and thought they were pre-errata or something
Obelisk gains infinite ATK
OMG! I'm not the only one!!
I believe the reason people think you can pay any amount for ra isn't so much because it gains it as its attack stat, but because of the anime. many probably remember how it worked there, and assumed the real life version was the same.
Flore Krimson - The Scarlet Devil you can’t use defusion to defuse your life points with Ra?
probably not but you might be able to dump a vanilla and add one of the same name to your hand
In the anime,I thought, it was that they had to pay until they had 1 instead of 100 but that's just what I thought.
just noticed the dude above edited his comment so my joke now makes no sense
:(
Flore Krimson - The Scarlet Devil autocorrect warped my comment 😩😫
I am pretty sure in the anime Marik payed until he had 1 life point, and he clearly says he can choose how many life points he is left, so that is why people think they could do that
I am pretty sure the gods are 100% imune to magic in the anime too...
Well, the anime was broken that is a fact
Caio Prado those People are casual Players Who probably never used ra online and/or are too lazy to read ^^
It's completely understandable how they misunderstood. It is terribly worded
The video just explained how it's not terribly worded. It's stupidly simple.
+Caio Prado The Manga version of the God cards are more inconsistent than they were in the anime.
Idk why people call it Ra. I though his name was Mega-Ultra Chicken ?
Ignorance runs rampant online it's unavoidable. People are so trigger happy to leave a comment. Reading some of those comments actually cracked me up as they tell you to do your research when that statement alone makes it quite clear they didnt do theirs lol. You did a good job though addressing how they may have misunderstood without being rude. Keep up the great work buddy love your channel!!!!
Idk, it’s either Dzeef’s videos seems to be attracting these kind of people, or YGO just seems to have a lot more people that doesn’t even understand how TCG works. I literally spent a couple of days explaining card advantage on a thread in his Pot of Desires video. There is no way Obelisk wouldn’t be used in every single deck if it was immune to any effect at all.
IM SO TRIGGER HAPPY, I LEFT A COMMENT WITHOUT READING THE COMMENT! what are we talking about?
It's neither his videos or the YGO community. People are like this online all the time. Even the most neutral comment or video can generate a lot of triggered responses.
However, if you state your opinion on something, even if you make it as objective as you can, like the original video does, oh, boy, you are in for a ride. People just don't accept someone sharing their opinions on anything, even Yu-Gi-Oh.
E- tan *see hundred likes,* *joins in the fun* seems legit.
@@NeroVingian40 Except decks that can't bring it out easily.
Make a why commentors dont understand pot of greed....
Talking about this... What does it does?
What's not to understand?
Official-TwinkleFart Everything. Do you draw from your opponents deck? The grave? The banished pile? Their grave? Their banish pile? A FRIENDS DECK?!!! WHO KNOWS
That's ridiculous! Obviously they are asking you to pull out a piece of paper and draw two cards! Now, the question, what card?
my pot of greed says this card draws 3 and this card ignores the ban list
I remember back in Middle School I used Gravity Bind and some class mates insisted that it only effected "LV" monsters.
Glorious.
Wtf, that makes no sense
That's Yu-Gi-Oh's fault. Everyone calls those stars, not levels.
Lots of people can't understand the God cards because the can't speech ancient Egyptian to awaken Ra.
I have yet to see a YCS where anyone fuses with the god cards
TheKidFawFul Because they all suck
Good one lol
I’ve yet to see a YCS where anyone fused themselves with their Malefic Truth Dragon.
It’s no wonder why Malefics aren’t topping. Nobody’s playing the card correctly.
Medbread 『🍞』 I’d pay to see that.
Reminds me of the time in the yugioh dub when Kaiba says “The Winged Dragon of Ra has effects that aren’t even printed on the card!”
Which is impressive since no card had its effects printed on it in the dub.
"You can pay LP so that you only have 100 LP left; this card gains ATK and DEF equal to the amount paid."
Let's break this down:
"You can" means that the person who plays the card has the option to activate this effect.
What is the effect? There are two parts to the effect. The first part is a cost, the second part is a benefit.
The cost: pay LP so that you only have 100 LP left. The card does not say "up to". If you activate the effect, you must pay LP in a manner so that you only have 100 LP left.
The benefit: the card gains xx/xx equal to the amount you payed in the previous part. I.E. the card gains (Your LP before effect -100)/(Your LP before effect -100).
There is literally no ambiguity here.
People are stupid. That's literally all there is to it.
The card text is small and human memory is faulty. That's your answer
I really like how they learned from Magic to clearly seperate costs from effects. Magic does it with : while YGO uses ; for it.
But according to the anime...
@@LCDqBqA you can normal summon 3 blue eyes in one turn.
(I see a plane in the sky flying over me as the force of the speed and mass generates a massive r/woooosh)
Its pretty funny that people don’t understand the targeting thing as even the anime elaborated on that point in the final duel where Yugi uses cards that don’t target the Gods to weaken them, stating it affected the field rather than the monster itself, though I suppose a lot of people never saw that far.
Obelisk straight up ignored mirror force in the anime and that card doesn't target
Reading is the hardest part of Yugioh.
Jeffrey Monhollen it actually is when you are just getting back into the game after almost 12 years of not playing at all and now the card crams a whole novella of text into a tiny box that you have to strain your eyes to properly read and memorize. Also Konami sucks at their wording. I can easily see how new and returning players can get confused or easily misinterpret the card rules.
dbzfan1121 I mean I'd understand with something as nonsensical as dark worlds but ra is worded pretty clearly.
I'm sure you will change your tone once you have felt Obelisk's mighty fist of fate
or god crushing blow fist of fury
I think that a lot of these misconceptions come from the fact that people remember the effects from the anime and don't bother to read the actual printed cards. Maybe a video comparing and explaining both would help for people too lazy or too stubborn to read. I'm still impressed at how people try to argue that their RA can do whatever they want or that slifer can't be targeted and stuff like that.
Some people probably have fake copies as well, which meant they didn't even have the opportunity to read the real card effects.
I remember getting a blue Obelisk from my friend way back when, similar to what's shown on 10:00. No card effects; just flavor text.
I only knew about their real effects years later when I tried one of the YGO video games and saw their card text there.
+Luis Or people interpret the wording of the reprints as it worked in the anime which was the worst representation of the cards.
the only problem w god cards is that they made them too weak compared to their original anime effect. they could've made a more anime alike version, still w original colors, effect from the anime or close and keepin them banned
Luis The “my Ra can do whatever” is a joke my guy
I've heard Ra is really good because you can summon him from the hand, deck or graveyard and he negates all effects you opponents control while also leaving them with 1 life point and dealing 1000 burn damage during each phase. Sadly I can't summon him because I don't know ancient Egyptian.
That Is 100% not his effect, where the Fuck did you hear that?
"Tributing 3 monsters for a God is no different than tributing monsters for a link summon".
Some top-tier scrub talk right there.
Robert Jenkins Yeah, this was by far the dumbest comment I've seen there.
Not being a main deck monster and not using normal summons is a pretty big difference
Someone didn't learn the difference between Special summoning and Normal summoning. What a fuckwit.
Pet Shop I think he was making a joke
It made me explode from laughter, it's so bad i don't know where to start tackling such an odd comment
If I ever summon Ra Imma just say it let's me "just do whatever lol".
Alex Wall Fuck substitoad
Good luck trying to control its power. Better use Mound of the Bound Creator to control it.
The Winged Dragon of Ra - "just do whatever lol"
Sums up the anime version of it nicely
Yu-Gi-Oh! is a lawyer’s game. Any effect is as literal as it’s going to get.
See, this makes perfect sense to me. Thank you so much for these videos. This actually clears up so much for me.
1:46 there is one comment put up there that is correct, being Christopher Henderson's. His comment states that you can pay any amount, as long as you end up with 100 LP left.
while that might be true, I read that comment as saying you have to have at least 100 LP left or in other words if you have for example 500 LP left that counts as having 100 LP left and an additional 400. Like if someone asks you do have an apple you don't answer no i have 3 apples, because that's not what he wanted to know
Just watch all the fans of the anime get out their legit copies of Number iC1000: Numeronius Numeronia out and wreck house.
Connor Jugessur I'll just whip out my Anime Zarc which is every kind of card (except the blue cards) and can only be removed Via Kaiju
@@sirspookybones1118 well beware my dogoran and chewbone
When it comes to the god cards, it normally only becomes an issue when I'm playing a nostalgia game with my old high school chums, since they insist upon using the anime rules for the god cards.
...and I generally let them, since I'm the only one who continued to play past the synchro era in my circle of friends, and their 150 card deck that's "totally awesome because it has dark magician, blue eyes, all the egyptian gods, and all five pieces of exodia" is already so easy to beat, even if I use a GOAT format deck, that I'd feel bad if I didn't give them some kind of handicap. >.>
Lancer Guy lmao!! That sounds like one hell of a fun time
Oh, it is, don't get me wrong! My friends are kinda like a time capsule to how the game used to be. Like, My high school days were from 2002-2006, the game was way different back then. "Archetypes" weren't really a thing, and decks were generally just 'Frankenstein's monsters' of whatever good cards existed cobbled together.
I showed them my D/D deck a couple months back, since D/D is probably the best archetype in YGO to showcase the entire evolution of the game from 2006 to the present, and they were like "huh, so your cards help each other out? That's cool!" Before they said that, I'd forgotten that that wasn't really a thing that happened with cards back in our era!
Lancer Guy I see someone likes fate stay night
Cu chulainn is awasom
On the fate grand order game the mystic America chapter is getting released on the 15th cu berserker is coming
That sounds like an enjoyable time.
I come from the same era. It was the Duelist Kingdom/Battle City era. Battle city is where it really got off for us. We were around 9 years old back then.
A caveat to Pokemon is if an area is public information and a card says a number, you MUST do however many that card says. For example, Super Rod says put in any combination of 3 basic energy or Pokemon from your discard pile back to your deck. Since the discard pile is public info to the game state, you MUST put 3 back into the deck if there are at least 3. A card like Brigette says to put 3 basics (or 1 EX) from the deck to the bench. Since the deck is private information, you can put 0, 1, 2, or 3 onto the bench. It doesn't matter if your opponent, for some reason, knows that you have more, because the game state itself does not know.
...unlike yugioh, where if you have a insufficient targets, you have to reveal your entire deck to verify.
...which, albeit just personal opinion, is nice. It penalizes you for lying the way you could with your Brigette example, and as long as you pay attention, you won't trigger that by accident. ever. unless you actually did try to lie and say you had less than you do... which would be a *ridiculously* stupid thing to do.
I had this same ruling issue with blue-eyes shining dragon lol. Speaking of which! Will you do a video talking about why no one plays blue-eyes shining dragon?
Noone playes Shining because it requires you to play fusion cards in a non-fusion oriented deck, it's bricky and hard to summon and even if you do manage to somehow summon it, it only has a targetting negation effect and an ATK gaining effect. So, you can either do that or just run something like Twin Burst if you really want to fuse in your blue-eyes. It's a contact fusion, has battle protection, can attack twice per turn and has a banishing effect if it doesn't destroy the thing it wanted to destroy
In short, because It's not worth it
Too hard to summon, too inconsistent, terrible effect for the effort, pretty simple actually.
cinansnickem it has a designation negation effect. I’m pretty sure that means it’s what everyone thought obelisk was, and literally the only counter for shining is magic cylinder. Unless I’m missing something because you go through so much effort to get shining dragon out it’s intended to just be a game winner.
I know shining is terrible, but some dumb, nostalgic part of me forces me to play it in my blue eyes decks
My theory is that misinformation is one of the biggest reasons people don't understand rulings and card effects. In middle school(I'm in college now) a childhood friend and I use to cheat by making up effects for cards. It was a childish thing to do looking back since we lied to the other kids we played with by proclaiming ridiculous effects that gave us an unfair advantage. The kids we lied to never questioned us and for all I know they may grow up still believing that those effects we made up were real. With that being said I'm definitely not the first person in the world to spread misinformation about card effects and rulings. My real life example: I played MagicTG in high school and i remember playing with many different students who played at lunch and after school clubs. I remember having to constantly check rulings because it wasn't uncommon for someone(usually a newcomer) to use card effects incorrectly. Some would even stand by the fact that their ruling is correct because it's the way they always played, even if I had the correct rule pulled up on my phone they'd still be in denial. But the fact that he/she had been supposedly playing a card incorrectly their whole life tells me that they were misinformed and then went on to misinform other for possibly years of playing. I feel like misinformation isn't too uncommon in the casual scene of any TCG whether its because someone lied about and/or misunderstood a ruling.
I think the confusion with Ra is partly because of how Yami Marik in the anime says that he can pay as many life points as he wants to boost Ra's attack, and then chooses to pay everything except 1 life point during his battle with Yami Bakura.
That’s exactly why. He did with atem too but he killed Bakura with that move
I mean, if you're going to play Ra you should probably be playing Sphere Mode (and maybe Phoenix Mode) anyway so maybe those cards should be introduced into the discussion about Ra's playability
The kind of people who like the God cards are also the kind of people to not even be aware of that card's existence...
He ignores the effect fulltime that you cant activate anything when Ra has been normal summoned. And as much as i know the Monsters with most Base attack have 5000.
So you only need Ra with more attack than youre enemys Strongest Monster and you won. Because youre enemy cant activate anything to destroy Ra or do damage to your LP.
Ra basically Blocks all types of effects like Jinzoh did it with traps. So if you play Ra like you should Play him the Card is an Instand Win
^That is definitely not true. Nowhere on the playable version of the card does it say that
TheDeathsoldier98 i hope you are joking...
@@TheDeathsoldier98 Ra is only unaffected during the point when he is normal summoned. Once his normal summon is resolved, you can activate whatever you want to destroy Ra. Same with obelisk with the expectation of targeting effects. It's that simple
7:06 is the most depressing part of the video... Someone actually commented "How can you destroy Obelisk with Dark Hole if he can't be targeted by spells?"...
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Dark Hole... A NON targeting destruction spell... I just... I... I can't anymore...
Ik there stupid lol 😂
I agree I was getting genuinely triggered as a competitive ygo player that people don't understand the game and try to say these things
People get so stuck in the way they played back in middle school most believe in rulings and mechanics that just didn’t even exist and refuse to be corrected by others more knowledgeable
I remember playing back in the day and my buddy told me his zombie dragon couldn't be killed cuz zombies with 0 def just can't die. Tyvm stupid anime.
I was once introduced to a fake rule that said that they're are some cards that work as special tools called superchargers. These super chargers can be played from the hand and boost any monsters effect or in some cases give them new effects. The person who told me the rule later said he was bullshitting the whole time.
@@Harold_Wilson applying rules outside of yugioh card playing is taboo to have believe people have won in those duels
@@Doceli-dg3cn He didn't even need the rule to win. He's a pretty good player in his own right, and he knows the actual ruling for the cards. I guess he just thought we were gullible enough to believe it. I did have my suspicions from the start, as when he introduced the concept, he said we wouldn't be able to find anything about it on google. The effects also seemed way to overpowered and the way you could tell a card was a supercharger was so roundabout it was incredible we ever believed it n the first place.
@@Harold_Wilson I'm just saying having extra rules doesn't feel right to duel for real I believe u that ur opponent is definitely good at yugioh
For some reason, I believed that the attack points of the Winged Dragon of Ra (or Mega Ultra Chicken) were based on the three monsters that were tributed for its summon.
I guess that was an anime effect.
In retrospect, that would be super over powered as a 15000 attack Ra could be summoned with any possible response.
Michael Olynyk I remember that as well
Not really. Beatsticks aren't really that important in yu-gi-oh. Gran maju garzett is a 2 tribute monster that gains attack based on the monster you tribute. The problem with Beatsticks is that they can easily be storming or quaking mirror forced. And also, if ra is flipped face-down, like with quaking mirror force, those attack points no longer exist.
ooh, the one I was thinking of was The tyrant Neptune. Its fun to see the believed effects of the god cards seen on other cards.
I like your "if the emporer had a text to speech device" reference
Because they were in the show, and that makes him playable compared to his current "pay all of your life points or this card has no stats" effect. The fact that his other effect costs life points is basically just a joke at this point. Seriously, how could they leave that off?
As someone whose played a lot of Magic (and comparably, far less YuGi, but some), and has seen the effects of "rules text phrasing that seems ambiguous to novices", the biggest rule of thumb (which only applies to well-written card games, mind) I have is:
If the cards were meant to have the same effect, they'd be worded the same way. If they were meant to work differently, they'll be phrased differently.
The fact that Bark of Dark Ruler exists and is phrased differently to Ra, but seems to have the same effect as Ra (meaning the increments of life points paid is up to the player to decide), should be enough to clue you in that *these effects work differently*.
Myself and my group of friends always wondered how you knew if something 'Targeted' when it feels like it should, but then I found about that it was literally just "if it says target, it targets"
And was like "ooooh" which helped us :')
Also, I used to use the old copies (the ones unable to be used in a duel) before I knew Algebra, and thought that because Slifer had X000 attack points, and that X was the Roman Numeral of 10, then obviously he has 10,000 attack points
Llew The Last Dream woulda made him meta.
Aaah yes armatile but actually slifer
Apparently the one exception about "every card that targets says target" is equip spells, which all are implied to target even though they don't say it. It's a weird ruling, but it's hurt me before
Bulbasam 214 wait, are you saying I can't equip a monster that can't be targeted with equip spells? Because I didn't know that
...granted, what equip cards would you even want to play outside of Moon Mirror Shield, or more casually, Noble Knights? (ignoring Equip Beatstick OTK ft. Mage Power and United We Stand)
...well, i suppose stuff like Inzektors and ABC/VWXYZ as well, but i'm pretty sure the 'can't be targeted' wouldn't be applicable there except in extremely niche circumstances.
“Dark hole? Can’t find target. Mirror force? Can’t find target”
Me living in a small town - can’t find Target
I didn't comment but I actually didn't know the games had separate banlists. I didn't use them anyway because I was too busy making a deck around Thunder Nyan Nyan.
So you're telling me that if I possess all three of the egyptian God cards I won't be able to use the unstoppable power of the ancient pharoh on my opponent??
Chris Comiskey
No, because you need the Millennium Puzzle to unlock his memories and go through Season 5 all over again.
But you can summon Creator God of Light Horakhty with them.
They did release Creator God of Light Horakhty (or Holactie on at least one Yugioh wiki, but that’s obviously not the right transliteration), which does that exactly.
You might be able to, but product may not live up to advertisement lol
The effect, that Ra gains the sum of ATK and DEF from the monsters that were tributed for it was actually his effect in some of the video games, for example YGO GX Spirit Caller. Maybe that's another source from which people get confused on that matter. It was *never* a part of the OCG.
In the anime the card might as well say “win the duel apon activation unless your opponent has the plot armor effect in play”
Thank you for clarifying the Egyptian God cards more ambiguous clauses. It helped me get around them and prove my friend wrong.
My fav example of target vs non target is Hieratic Sun Dragon Overlord of Heliopolis, the effect reads,
Once per turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; Tribute any number of monsters from your hand and/or your side of the field (minimum 1), then destroy an equal number of cards on the field.
You still pick what cards and how many cards are destroyed but it does not target.
that feels a bit broken...
Compared to Raigeki? It's still not as good, due to eating up a lot of hand advantage, although at least you get to destroy spell/traps as well. In Hieratics? At least you get to plus from the tributed Hieratic monsters' effects, but Hieratics themselves aren't good either these days. You also have to consider the effort of making that Rank 8, which'll consume a bit of hand advantage even before you get to start destroying things with it's effects. It *does* however, make a good example of targeting vs non-targeting, i agree.
I use it with Blue Eyes, so its really easy to make (2 lvl 8), but I have better situational options like number 77 or 95 or Crystal wing synchro. I usually only pull out Hieratic if something cant be targeted or if i need to get rid of backrow, (blue eyes's second worst weakness imo)
It still is a Target effect, just bad wording.
nope, yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Hieratic_Sun_Dragon_Overlord_of_Heliopolis
The targeting thing was actually a rule in the anime as well. In the last episode, Yugi used a spell card on Obelisk, and it worked because it didn’t actually target him. The language they used wasn’t quite that technical, but it was essentially the same thing.
My hand drawn and custom effect Obelisk would clap locals.
Depends on what your custom card says
I thought that ra’s ”gain attack equal to the monsters used to bring it out” was actually how the card worked since we were using the unplayable version and thought that we did not need to google the effect.
I remember when I was a kid I thought my Thousand Eyes Restrict was unkillable, and the first time I managed to summon it in the video game it was destroyed by “ Giant Rat “ or something.
The rules from the game are not the same as the rules you make up from the shows.
I swear one of the reasons that Winged Dragon of Ra life point effect gets misinterpreted the way it does so often is because of its second effect.
There's no way they made you spend all but 100 of your life points and then asks you to spend another 1000 to use its destruction effect, riiiiight???
idk, it seems more likely to me people assume the effect is the same as the anime effect, where you can pay as many lp as you want.
You should do a video where you fix the god cards. They are such a huge part of many fan's childhood. It sucks that Konami made them so bad. What effects would you give them to make them worth it in modern YGO?
I agree with that. We should have videos like that.
What they would need the most is more support cards. Like a monster that counts a 3 tributes, or a card that adds a god card from your deck/graveyard to your hand.
Jacob the three tribute card would also have to be able to special summon itself and the deck would have to run brilliant fusion, which would already be giving dead draws because of garnet
Towers clause and cannot be destroyed by battle.
You mean Ra's Disciple and Mound of the Bound Creator? Not exactly like what you were looking for but pretty close.
Better candidates for the title of Mega Ultra Chicken:
-Horus the Black Flame Dragon LVL8
-Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
-The Atmosphere
-Any high level bird/bird-like monster that isn't TWDR
That dude who said summoning an Egyptian God with 3 tributes is no different than a Link summon is an idiot.
1. Link Summoning is a special summon, so it doesn't take up your normal summon for the turn like a God Card would.
2. Link monsters come from the Extra Deck, meaning they don't have to be in your hand to be useable.
3. Not all Link Monsters require 3 monsters to be summoned.
And as an honorable mention as another difference I found between the 2 that doesn't have anything to do with the game itself
4. I don't understand how Link Summoning works, as opposed to Tribute summoning, which I do understand.
Da_Swifta Quick rundown on Link Summoning:
Link Monsters are a special type of Monster that are in the Extra Deck, with a foil blue background. They do not have a Def stat, and cannot be in Defense mode (or facedown, IIRC). Each Link Monster has a number of arrows pointing in some of the cardinal or diagonal directions; the number of Link Arrows it has is equal to its Link Rating.
To summon a Link Monster, you tribute a number of monsters exactly equal to its Link Rating, with certain restrictions listed on the card (say, 4 monsters with 2+ of them being Warriors). Link Monsters may be tributed as well, and may be treated as either one monster, or a number equal to its Link Rating (so, say, a Link-4 could be Summoned by tribute get a Link-3 and another monster, as 3+1=4), so long as you still satisfy the Link Monster’s requirements. Then, you may Link Summon the Link Monster onto the field in a valid area.
Now, the “in a valid area” part is one of the major rules changes in Master Rule 4; two new zones called the Extra Monster Zones have been added to the field between the two players’ Monster Zones. These are initially the only zones you can play Extra Deck monsters (Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, and some Pendulums), and each players can only use one of them at a time, with an exception I’ll get to later (§). However, you can place more ED monsters by playing Link Monsters: while a Link Monster is on the field, Extra Deck monsters can now be played into any zone its arrows point to (including the opponent’s). This includes more Link Monsters, opening up more of the field for you to play ED monsters in.
§ This exception is something known as an Extra Link. Basically, if two Link Monsters both have arrows pointing to each other, they are co-linked. An Extra Link is a chain of co-linked Link Monsters that connect the two Extra Monster Zones; even if you have already played a monster in one EMZ, you may also play one in the other if it would create an Extra Link.
Some ASCII art if it will help!
Initially, there are two Extra Monster Zones, and each player may only use one at a time:
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However, suppose you have a Link Monster with arrows pointing like this:
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After making the right tributes, you can play it in one of the EMZs, and it will open up more zones for ED monsters:
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10:33 That's what the text on Marik's Winged Dragon of Ra says.
if slifer and obelisk are op cause they cant be targeted, then hazy flames should be the most op deck. lol
One of the best and most informative videos you’ve made, thanks for the explanations.
Simple YUGIOH rule explanation: "Unaffected" is way to different than "cannot be targeted"
Actually when talking about spell/trap cards, The Legendary Fisherman III is better than the Obelisk.
Fisherman is "unaffected by spell/trap effects while Obelisk "cannot be targeted" by card effects. Dark Hole, enough talk.
I love how the comments are divided. There are people who actually ask about anything in a very polite way and there are others who just attack you for no reason at all. Thanks for the vid man! It is really useful for a lot of us :)
I wish they would reprint the god cards with erratas that made them as good as they are in the anime (basically their current effects but unaffected by spells/traps and non divine beasts effects).
VTA Yu-Gi-Oh but that is not what errata is lol
"i wish the god cards were completely banned and would never return" is what i just read. cuz keep in mind not ebing effected by spells and traps isnt the only difference. obelisk received infinite attack for the 2 tributes as an example
If they were like that ppl would just run kaijus
Master Discord He didn’t get infinite attack, though he did get infinite from absorbing the other gods, though the god cards definitely need a buff, especially ra, his effect is just sad. Also, instead of being completely immune to all spells/traps, maybe once per turn they get a negation effect for s/t? Like Seal of Orichalcos.
+Nine Tails Ra in real life sucks. Though Obelisk doesn't have no infinite effect, its equated to just being able to destroy a card.
thanks for clearing these up, i was quite confused about how black hole could destroy it but it makes sense now. good work man, keep it up!
The reason people are confused by Ra's effect is:
1). Yu-Gi-Oh! card effects are stupid confusing and often they don't even English properly.
2). English is a stupidly confusing language and often it doesn't even logic properly.
Grammatically, the semicolon between the cost and the effect mucks up the whole business. A semicolon links 2 independent thoughts that are so related that a period should not (even though it can) divide them. The text: "... equal to the amount of LP paid," puts the ATK/DEF gained value in flux. Because we're relying on a semicolon here, we can naturally assume that, given the preceding clause is optional, the current clause is also optional. Further, given that the gained value in question is variable, we assume that the payment is equivalently variable.
The effect is further confused by the proceeding effect. "You can pay 1000 LP..."
Well, if RA's initial effect causes me to drop down to 100 LP, why would its secondary effect need me to pay 1000 LP?
(I know that, given Yu-Gi-Oh!, your explanation of the card text is, in fact, accurate ; I'm just sayin' I can certainly understand how people might be confused by it. And, also, I always though you could select the amount of LP sacrificed for the card).
Jullian Aubrey I mean it is fairly easy to read.
And 3: The anime.
In all honesty, reading what you said makes the correct interpretation even more rational to me.
The cards effects are listed after the conditional with a normal colon and seperated by commas.
"When this card is Normal Summoned:"
Then we get the effects.
"You can pay LP so thay you only have 100 left;this card gains ATK and DEF equal to the amount of LP paid. You can pay 1000 LP, then target 1 monster on the field; destroy that target.
The colon indicates everything after is what you CAN do. Both effects start out with what action you CAN take by saying "You can". The semi colons seperate the action you can take and the result of that action. Both actions and results are seperated by periods to indicate they are not related.
There really isnt any room to interpret that the amount of LP you pay is optional, because that language is all in the first clause of the first effect, and it doesnt present any kind of variable.
It isnt about the english itself, its actually quite robust in explaininh what this cars in particular can do. People think that you can pick the amount of LP to sacrifice because that was an effect that was explained everytime Ra was onscreen in the anime. This is also why people still think that Egyptian Gods cant be killed by Spells, Traps, or Monster Effects.
There isn't any excuse.
I actually made a god card deck once. It revolved around giving extra normal summons and generating tribute fodder for the gods (Skapeghost, Fluffal Mouse, Card Advance, etc.), running “Monarchs” cards for beefy tribute summoning support (especially the trap monster that counted as two tributes for any choice of attribute- I chose Devine obviously), as well as Abusing the heck out of Sphere Mode, Precious Cards from Beyond, and Lighten the Load. Then, I summoned “The Creator God Of Light. Horakhty” for the win (that is, if the gods didn’t work for me by then).
It was (almost) good enough to defeat a Magical Musket deck. My opponent had to search-milll all but two cards in his deck to beat me. And being Muskets, search-milling every card in their deck is what they often do best.
You were right about one thing though- a dark hole did kill obelisk by the end of the duel. That is, after 20 of his cards (including his Raigeki, the only other card in his deck that would have saved him) were banished by Pot(s) of Desires during his scramble for a card for which to defeat Obelisk with.
That duel was the closest I ever got to beating his extreme, combo-strategy based decks of overpowered meta stupidity, or any meta/strategy based decks for that mater. So in short, I think the gods are slightly better than the video claims, and that a god-based deck can be (somewhat) practical and fun to try.
This is still a good video BTW. Sorry for (slightly defensive) the rant/rebuttal.
Would it surprise you to know that Magical Muskets aren't a meta deck, and aren't even good enough to be considered a rogue deck?
No, it's not really that surprising to me. I knew the deck wasn't meta, but it was a powerful deck for me to deal with nonetheless- he's the kind of guy who specially orders all the cards of an entire deck online and has separate copies of raigeki, dark hole, and the solemn brigade in each deck. None of my other decks were ever powerful enough to stand a chance against him. Out of all of his decks, however, this duel was the closest victory- and I still lost. (Well, except an extremely lucky time with a Jackpot 7 deck, but I didn't have enough LP left to finish the combo and win)
(Keeping in mind that his "Other Decks" includes Yosenjus and Noble Knights, as well as several other ones that were probably just as good)
So in theory with ra (not saying this is practical or you should ever try to do it) you could summon ra, choose not to pay life points and give him attack power. Then he would be at 0 atk/def points but you could start paying chunks of 1000 life points to destroy your opponents monsters. never thought about it that way.
BosSox yeah but like he said, at that point you're paying 5000 LP for what a raigeki can already do for free without 3 tributes
Crucificient why 5k? It's pay 1k for raigeki?
Conor Buckman it’s 1K per monster, so if they have a full board it’s 5-6K
Conor Buckman Raigeki destroys every monster your opponent controls, if they have a full board of 5(6 monsters with the extra monster zone), you can just use raigeki and kill 6 monsters with no cost. To do that with Ra, you have to tribute 3 monsters and then pay 5000/6000 life points
Crucificient Then you're going plus on card advantage in the most convoluted way possible only to die on the backswing cause you just paid 5000 and have a 0 atk monster on the field. But dark hole is for chumps right? And it's not like you ever lose with ra stuck in hand
It's interesting watching this from the perspective of a mtg player. Since there's specifically a creature ability regarding obelisk's effect called Hexproof. I made the same mistake at first, but it's one of everyone's first misinterpretations when they pick up magic.
Here's a topic for you: How would you make the cards playable? As in: What changes would you make so they could be viable? Not that they'd ever do that. Just as a fun hypothetical video.
Slifer: Make it so its effect doesn't require the monster to be summoned in attack position. Also, give target protection. (It becomes an annoying floodgate)
Obelisk: Make him able to attack after using his effect (It becomes a pretty good boss monster)
Ra: give him atk = to atk of tributed monsters. Also make it so the opponent can't respond to its attacks. (It becomes an OTK tool)
Whoa, So when the card text of The Winged dragon of Ra's point to point transfer effects said pay all until you have 100 of your life points to boost Ra's Attack power... They really meant pay all until you have 100 of your points.
Yup. The can just refers to weather or not you want to do it
Yeah, but if you explain it to them they still believe that you're wrong. The same can be said about players who discard Dark World monsters as a cost and are assuming that this will trigger their effects. Hell, it gets even worse if people don't know that a card is actually missing its timing.
Please make a video about these two things as well! :)
granted, before the simplified text there were a lot of cards with unexplained timings. I remember playing in high school, and a lot of times we had to look up rulings on the internet because cards didn't explain their timing well enough.
Unslaadahsil Of course you're right. However, I'm still seeing people who do this kind of illegal misplays even to this day.
This is why Fableds > Dark Worlds (jk), they don't give a crap about costs
Konami should pay you for the pacience and information you're feeding to all the people that don't understand how Yu-Gi-Oh! works. Not even joking, you're doing a great job.
I don't play the TCG, I only play Duel Links (which now I see a lot of people talking shit about, even tho is a nice YGO format), but I love your content and will keep watching your videos, even the ones I don't really get, like the deck profiles.
If I ever play the TCG It'll be because of you! Thanks!
This is the best pack opening channel.
Reading is important kids
I do not understand pretty much anything about the game but I enjoy watching your videos, so if it means anything from someone who doesn't understand the game at all (never played or tried to just watched a couple of shows etc) I still love watching your vids. When I get a bit more time on my hands I definitely will try and learn the game and play but as of now I like your content.
As children my friends and I used to treat the Egyptian God cards like exodia, lmao
So in the anime, kaiba specifically states, " the only cards that could over power exodia" so my friends and i always said that the gyptian God cards could negate exodia
I always thought that the LP payment for Ra was mandatory, didn't even know about the Raigeki style effect - if that's what it is
what!!! I can't believe someone though that dark hole is target!!! wtf!
I thought that the effect of Ra was pretty clear based on this text. It always implied to me that when Ra is summoned, you have the option of paying all but 100 of your life points, as a cost. And then Ra gained ATK equal to the number of life points payed.
I can kinda see where people are coming from though. And while I don't think Ra's text is super vague myself, I do feel like Ra could be made a bit more clear if they phrased it as "When this card is Normal Summoned: You can pay all but 100 of your LP; this card gains ATK and DEF equal to the amount of LP paid."
It's not perfect, but I think that the phrasing I used better illustrates the fact that you can either pay all of your LP except 100, or not pay at all. Also, the anime ruling was generally the same. Although from what I remembered they did phrase it more closely to the way I did (Saying "I can pay all but 1 of my life points to fuse with Ra" or something).
Also, Ra isn't the "exact same" as Backs to the Wall, and I think you've actually missed what makes Ra more confusing. I don't think the ATK gain is what makes Ra confusing, and I don't think that the ATK gain is what makes Backs to the Wall easier to understand. I think that the reason people understand Backs to the Wall better is that Backs to the Wall's cost is *MANDATORY*. That's the distinction. When you activate Backs to the Wall, the paying of LP is a mandatory effect. There's no "cans" or anything in there. Because Backs to the Wall is a mandatory effect, and is phrased as a mandatory effect; I think that's why Backs to the Wall's phrasing works. And why I think you missed the point when you were talking about it. This also applies to Icarus Attack, since it's a mandatory effect.
But can we sacrifice ra and sky dragon to give obelisk infinite attack points with double piercing damage?
I commented, explaining how the effects of Ra counter each other because of the fact that it took the stats of the sum of the tributed monsters' stats, with an optional boost from paying life points, but they made the clashing effects on the official version, which is dumb.
hahaha! I love when people read the "cannot be targeted by spell/trap/monster effects" wrong.
Dark hole doesn't target, mirror force doesn't target, etc. xD
Honestly, I like Slifer over obelisk for the simple -2000 attack to all enemy monsters and auto destroy unless they set and flip. But it's not viable in competitive. I'm casual :P
Well to be honest, if you managed to somehow summon Slifer back during the time it came out, most monsters didn't have 3000+ attack points, so if you had even one card in your hand, your opponent would have trouble running it over. Effect removal notwithstanding.
Skull servants wreck slifer, my buddy had out a 6k atk slifer I summoned king of the skull servants at 13k atk slifer dropped him to 11k, gg slifer
if you use The Winged Dragon of Ra: Sphere Mode as tribute to summon The Winged Dragon of Ra you can get 4000 ATK/DEF with Sphere Modes effect
You say that but my god card says that it has the effect to special summon itself when a blue-eyes card is destroyed by battle or my opponent's card effect and if it does, my opponent is burned 600 damage for every dragon with a different name in my GY.
"just do whatever lol" That got me good and idk why 😂
How TF does people don't understand this effects? English isn't even my second language and I understand it.
Because most people actually can't read.
In middle school, when I had my first few cards, I used to think that Giant Trunade returned itself to the hand to be used again.
Lol
Heyho, I know this is old, but I got a question:
What's the difference between Slifers/Ras ? Attack/Defense points and 0 Attack/Defense points?
I thought ? A/D would mean if they change their attack, the new value would be their base attack, but apparently I'm mistaken and as long as it doesn't explicitely state that base values are changed ? just means 0... so why is it ? and not 0?
Basically: ra and slifers attk and def can be changed through their effects, same with the king of the skull servants.
A zero attk and def monster can't change their attk and defence through their effects, either because they don't have one or their effect just doesn't increase attk and defence.
Also zero attk and def monsters have zero attk and def as their original attk and defence while Slifer, ra and king of the skull servants original attk and def are based one certain factors.
Hope that wasn't too confusing for ya
@@phantomnite But what about e.g. "Satellite Cannon" or "Armityle the Chaos Phantasm" ?
Do they still got 0 ATK because they are expected to fall back to 0, so it's more like a buff rather than e.g. Kotsk where it's (figuratively) a power source?
And so basically, it's just flavour, but treated the same in terms of rulings?
In the words of Seto Kaiba in battlecity "it has some hidden effects not written on the card..." lol that was the stupidest thing. I agree with you dude.
I love people defending the god cards from blind nostalgia like if you think they are so good take em to a regional or a local even and you can easily see how "broken" they are
Don't people use Ra Sphere Mode?
@@nathanieldardar4295 the y use sphere mode for destroying opponents field, not the gods themselves
I think the reason that people (myself included) get confused with Ra is because it says you CAN pay to 100 and not that you HAVE to. I feel that if Ra would ever be reprinted that that change in text would help many players out and would definitely help to build a more knowledgeable player base.
I know this video is older but i wanted to put my two sense in lol
How do you play a card game and not know what a board-wipe is?
Lellerz its in the dang name board-wipe its not that hard
“If it targets the card text will include the word target.” That doesn’t sound right to me. I understand some cards printed before psct were later changed to include target: d prison, compulse, bom, etc, but the effect of equip cards to equip themselves is targeting and yet many equip cards do not specify this. Also certain monster effects that include equipping opponents monsters to them is a targeting effect (vaccuumen) despite not saying target anywhere on the card as well as other cards with the same effect that are older saying target (thousand eyes restrict) or select (which became target)
With equip spells, it should be pretty damn obvious that you're targeting. After all you're specifically affecting one monster on the field with that card. With monsters equipping themselves or other monsters, a lot of those are union monsters and the rest I think do say target, could be wrong but I'm sure they do.
These commenters don't understand the Egyptian Gods. No they don't understand the game lol. Plebs.
lutin grognon oh boy. are you telling me it is unusual to have a pyramid in my anus ?
I don't understand how the people commenting don't understand these cards, I haven't even played this game since I was 16 that was 12 years ago and I understood and still understand them perfectly.
Winged Dragon of Ra is literally a worse version of Judgment Dragon. Fight me.
You're correct
The source of the confusion is that, for many years, the Egyptian God cards didn't have tournament-legal versions and all we had access to were the illegal versions that had flavor text instead of effects. Anyone interested in how the God cards hypothetically played back then had to look to their anime counterparts for their effects.
If a card says I can pay LP so that I have only 100 left, what happens if I have less or exactly 100? I can't pay so I can't activate its effect?
5thDimensionDragon if you have 10 above the 100 you pay the ten if you have 100 or less you punch yourself in the face for being dumb enough to summon ra onto the field
Even to this day when my brother or myself misreads something even after triple-checking what it says only to discover much later we had misread, we say that thing "Kozaky'd". This is so named because when Giant Kozaky was released over a decade ago, it took both of us weeks or even months to notice that the card said that it dealt its damage to you and not to your opponent, despite both of us repeatedly reading the card's effect.
They suck
He says, as I receive the special edition2020 Ra in duel links
Your deck can't gain that many LP
I say, as I add it to my swordsman deck
You can't gain the perfect amount of LP
I shout, as I make my LP go to 7000
You can surrender
I cry, as I summon him
Nice
I say while looking at my 6900 ATK/DEF Ra
Lol
My man wolfkey truly is a genius, "Tributing 3 for a god is same as tributing 3 for a link", link cards are meta, therefore RA is meta confirmed
Not really. Cause links is a special summon and the links have a lot of different pay offs, unlike the gods
So Obelisk would be good or at least better when it would say "isnt affected by spell/traps and so on"?
Just jumped back on the Yugioh train after 8 years dont know much yet :D
Bet he would even see some play then. "Can't be destroyed by card effects" would be the real boss effect here. But then you can still banish him. Defeating him in battle would be the thougher one.
It would be a solid tower monster with that effect, yes. Probably still a little bit to expensive for what you get, but definitely usable. You gotta consider that stuff like Utopia the Lightning exists, a one turn 5000 ATK beatstick that can just overrun Obelisk in battle.
I was confused when I heard “problem solving card techs” but then I realized you’re simply pronouncing “text” weirdly
2:09 "Tributing 3 monsters for a God is no different than tributing monsters for a link summon". There is so much wrong with this comment
No, there's not.
@User some links require even 4 monsters as tribute
@User your trolling also
@User trolololo
@@nikolaikolev8252 wow yes you taught me how to play and what to do! ill rather waste 3 cards to summon a 100% not garbage beatstick beatstick that will get destroyed during my opponents standby phase instead of using them for actual good effects that can make me win and if it survives till battlephase i totally wont get my 7900 atk RA borrelsworded (an actual good link monster that needs 4 "tributes")
I am pretty sure my Mystical Elf can add her attack to my Blue Eyes by singing.
can we explore the mentality of why players (usually newer players, or even just casual players in general) feel the compulsive need to play the god cards in ALL their decks in the first place? cuz i've seen a TON of people both at my locals and online (especially in duel links lately during the gladiator island event) where players have at least a single god card, some number and/or combination of dark magician, blue-eyes, and red-eyes, or the five exodia pieces and they don't understand why they're losing games. they're also usually 50-60 cards (or more... lol) and have all sorts of random shit in the deck that has little to no synergy with any other cards. i even have one guy at my locals who plays one of each charmer monster in his deck, along with a copy of things like shadow tamer, the "element" monsters, and a bunch of other random stuff and he still doesn't understand why i can beat him with even low tier decks. (he even played all five exodia pieces face down, flipped them face up and then tried to say he won the game because he apparently didn't read the cards enough to know that they all have to be in your hand...)
Today class we will learn to fucking read, open your text books to page exodia
How did he play out all five pieces without you doing anything about it lol
he wasn't playing against me, lol. he was playing another player, and he had set them all and been preventing the opponent from attacking with swords of revealing light. (the opponent was also a relatively new player as well, so bluffing set cards as mirror force is much more effective) i looked over from my game and i face palmed pretty damn hard, lol.
In dual links at least in the Early game I've noticed if your monster has higher attack then your opponent can bring out you just kinda win. (Some of them don't even set what the heck?)
Also the God cards have different effects then the official physical cards. I have Slifer and He does basically have his anime effects He has no protection but he Does take away 2000 attack points from any summoned monster and if it goes to 0 it is destroyed. I don't know how the others are different but I imagine they are.
@@FeanixFlamage Also playing the God cards gives you a pretty big bonus in points at the end of the Dule So the game does actually give you Incentive to use them.