Hi Chris, A couple of comparisons. The Inokraft D1 - $87.99 get 3 tips - 9.7-10.2CFM @ 29PSI. The Black Widow is - $179.99 (can get a coupon for less) get 1 tip, extra 1.5 tip is $60, no 1.7 tip unless you buy the widow with the 1.7 tip. It uses - 11.8 CFM @ 35PSI. All specifications come from the owners manuals. Typical R500 - SPECIFICATIONS: With 1.3/1.5/1.7 Nozzle, Air consumption 3.0-3.9CFM, Operation pressure 28.8-51PSI. At the end of the video you did say there was a ridiculous amount of over spray. That was clearly shown. The Black Widow IMO is not really a DIY spray gun for a person doing spraying in a garage. One needs a BIG compressor too. The Inokraft D1 is labeled a LVLP but in reality is not based on 9.7-10.2CFM @ 29PSI. No small compressor can put that amount of air out. It would be running non stop and water filtration might be a problem. Is the D1 a good value for $87.99 - You Bet. It also depends on the equipment one owns. Please comment when you can and thank you for the video. I always learn something.
Great comparison brother! The black widow does have a larger fan which I do like. The air consumption specs on these guns from china are not accurate. I find contradictions when researching. I do feel the Inokraft is a lvlp just from my experience in using different guns. Is it as low as orig R500 ,I actually think it's close, IMO. I like the Black widow graeat gun are there better options for the price , at 179.00, maybe. I do appreciate your support and thoughts!
I trust your experience Buddy. I'm sure you are 100% accurate when you say the specifications are not accurate on these guns. You want accurate specs buy a $400 gun :). -13 here where I live this AM now its 0. Stay warm!!
It'll be below zero here in the am. Imo the ani f160 would be a better buy than the black widow and cheaper too. Plus you can get the tips you want w it. 143.00 to doorstep from spraygun direct a month ago. Flg 5 devilbiss bout same but throws some cloud. Unreal fan pattern though
@@GarageNoise My left eye might as well be a jawbreaker at this point. Compensating for a lack of depth perception is difficult at best for spray gun distance🙄🙄
Great comparison! I have the Inokraft on order, the main reason being how often the compressor kicked on when you were using the Black Widow and how often it didn't kick on when you were using the Inokraft. I have a good sized compressor, but the less I have to listen to it, the better. The difference in overspray was also pretty noticeable. Cheers!
I think its a dam good finish on both guns given the circumstances you're working in... 💪 DV1 B will be my next base gun. I have a W400 supernova which I use for both base and clear and it's a superb paint gun
Difference I saw between the 2 was it looked like you had to work the black widow more. Could definitely move quicker w a little further distance on the inokraft. I bought the a610 and was really surprised by it. I also have a techna (prolite) and flg5. Bought my son an ani f160 . Bought the a610 just to check it out but stock w the guns I can get parts for down the road if I want. Nice video.
Turn the fluid out more and you could move the widow around just as much as the other gun. You can run the widow wide open fan and fluid at 28 lbs and lay glass
Hi Chris, the Black Widow did a great job on the bedside but you can tell it's not a LVLP gun as it was pumping out more overspray so it will be less efficient than the Drizzle but as you said they both laid down a nice finish on the clear with very little difference between the two guns, I would say the Drizzle is the better gun for the DIY that is doing it at home in the garage. Thanks for sharing Chris👌🙏👍John UK
Mate you really should try an east wood concourse pro. It’s a lvlp. Sprays very nicely. I also like the husky gun from Home Depot. LVLP. Does pretty good as well
The Black Widow's overspray was a bit too much, considering most home users won't have a pro level exhaust. That's a major factor that DIYers should ponder. The expected finish can be hampered by the fact that you're spraying half blind partway through a session. The Inokraft appears to be the better gun for home use. However, is the air cap better than its sibling A610?
I like the widow better but wow does to put half of the clear in the air.I would like to see how it does full fan and fluid wide open. thanks for showing but i still like my DV1.
What would be the smallest recommended air compressor to run the drizzle or r500? You’ve actually got me convinced into getting one of these to start my journey
I have the 1.7 tip Black Widow. Love it. Even with a 26 PSI compressor. Definitely an air hog. But I just take my time. The R500 is my goto LVLP gun. Fan isn't the greatest but it still works pretty good. I just hate how tight they have the tips screwed on when you purchase them. Makes it a nightmare to clean or switch tips.
So I have a question whe. Spraying with the HTE or the HLPV guns, do you ever get orange peel the reason I am asking i am thinking about painting my 2008 GMC sierra and I want it to look nice but I worry about getting Orange peel in the paint.
Yeah ,I get it but it can be wet sanded out to glass if you get too much. I have plenty of video's to help you avoid it and video's to help correct it as well.
@GarageNoise one in the video. I have the standard compressor with wheels. Thinking it will work just have to stop let air build up. Just wanted your advice. Thanks
What would the labor cost be for replacing a door skin? I have the replacement skin. 2019 subaru outback right rear door. Drop off pick up when ready. I'll paint it. Email?
Chris hope you're OK Chris you need mate to get a space heater for the workshop keep you nice and warm Chris I think you should do a shoot 🔫 out with the kiwami 4 1.3 see what comes,out first 👍 that would be very Interesting 😊
A larger fan doesn't equate to being a better gun. In fact, it's really not an advantage for spraying clear as the fluid is spread out more and the fan becomes drier. A wetter fan pattern is actually more efficient in building up mils, better gloss, and less paint wastage in the air @philortega6516
Do you use any ventilation fans? I ordered the vevor 10 inch ventilation fan to get rid of fumes but i was wondering if there should any worries with clear coat and paint being flammable. I also noticed you use the propane heater so I’m assuming you haven’t had issues with that.
I have noticed that you always set your spray guns at considerably lower air pressure than the manufacturers recommend which in most cases is 29 PSIG with the trigger pulled. Is there a reason you do this and doesn't it affect the amount of orange peel you can achieve? Also, how do you run a commercial body shop without a spray booth? In California The South Coast Air Management District would shoot you on site, here in Arizona they would just make you go out of business.
The reason he had to work the Black Widow 2.0 so much is because he was running full fan and 2 turns out from full on fluid. This gun is best ran full open on fan/fluid between 26-28psi. Clear probably 28-30psi. The Black Widow 2.0 puts out very good results, but in saying that it also depends on the user and his/her adjustments and how they spray.
Don't worry about the label. Match the gun to your compressor with the compressor having more CFM than the gun. You will be able to make the gun perform as intended.
Went ahead and bought a Drizzle even tho I have a turbine system I can use. Reason is, I really like the R500 and reduced overspray combined with good results is what I look to achieve. Going to try this today for clear coat on a hood. If I like it too much, might become a dedicated clear gun on standby. I have the cheaper R500's off Ali Express I got for 35 bucks delivered. Crazy price for a gun that actually works well and is decently built. Did have one fail. Developed a leak I couldn't stop. But at 35 bucks, who cares,really. Will not be getting the HF gun. Too much overspray for me. This basic Drizzle was cheaper,too
I appreciate your comment because nobody seems to use aliexpress and stuff is just rebranded on to Amazon with different names. So I figured the D1 was just an A610?
@@baptistlion4060 in China, I think resellers can customize the spray guns to appear high end or more basic with different finishes, colors, upscaled knobs, ect. Even changing the stamping for essentially the same gun. So the A610 is probably starts with the same basic design. So its all a matter of choice. I like the finish on the D1 and it has performed very well. I will get my hundred dollars worth out of it and then some. I clean it and take care of it as if it costs much more, so no reason it shouldn't last. I found a "split nozzle" gun on Ali that is fairly cheap at just under 100. Rather curious about that gun as well and wondering if it is functionally like the Porphis guns. But...I can't buy everything i see, I don't that UA-cam throw-away Money😅
Helow sir I'm a autobody technician have almost 9 years and counting experience.Are you hiring sir im her in Saudi Arabia I'm a pilipino national I'm working paint less or pdr sir.
Yes, there are several guns that are the same the orig manufacturer is a company called Rong Peng from China. They have a website you can look them up.
Most of the comments are, this as is good as a 1000.00 spray gun. No it's not. I bought a Black Widow just for kicks, under 200 bucks let's try it. My regular color gun is a Devilbiss GTI. The widow is not a bad gun and will lay down a great finish. Where it differs is the adjustments. I can dial that GTI down to a dot and pull the fluid control back to the point that it is nearly an air brush. The widow just does not have that kind of control.
I think you spray to close there is alot of over spray and you don't spray from left to right to cover the entire panel. You stopped in the middle than sprayed from the left of the panel and stopped in the middle. Video 11:40. No thank you I will find a better diy video
I'm with Neil on this. I gave up watching before two minutes. That crap is unnecessary. May be OK watching on a phone, but I have a 43" computer monitor so I can see detail on all these tech videos I watch, and I just can't get past the subtitles. Sorry for the thumbs down. Feel free to curse my name for centuries.
When I buy a spray gun the last thing on Earth I want it to do is "Drizzle." What a stupid name for something that is suppose to put on a uniform coat of paint. Smooth Spray or Even Spray would be a lot better than Drizzle.
No joke spraying in cold climates. Props to those hustling in the elements!!
man i love this channel , because he doesnt have a 20 thousand dollar paint booth and still produces amazing paint jobs
Hi Chris, A couple of comparisons. The Inokraft D1 - $87.99 get 3 tips - 9.7-10.2CFM @ 29PSI. The Black Widow is - $179.99 (can get a coupon for less) get 1 tip, extra 1.5 tip is $60, no 1.7 tip unless you buy the widow with the 1.7 tip. It uses - 11.8 CFM @ 35PSI. All specifications come from the owners manuals. Typical R500 - SPECIFICATIONS: With 1.3/1.5/1.7 Nozzle, Air consumption 3.0-3.9CFM, Operation pressure 28.8-51PSI. At the end of the video you did say there was a ridiculous amount of over spray. That was clearly shown. The Black Widow IMO is not really a DIY spray gun for a person doing spraying in a garage. One needs a BIG compressor too. The Inokraft D1 is labeled a LVLP but in reality is not based on 9.7-10.2CFM @ 29PSI. No small compressor can put that amount of air out. It would be running non stop and water filtration might be a problem. Is the D1 a good value for $87.99 - You Bet. It also depends on the equipment one owns. Please comment when you can and thank you for the video. I always learn something.
Great comparison brother! The black widow does have a larger fan which I do like. The air consumption specs on these guns from china are not accurate. I find contradictions when researching. I do feel the Inokraft is a lvlp just from my experience in using different guns. Is it as low as orig R500 ,I actually think it's close, IMO. I like the Black widow graeat gun are there better options for the price , at 179.00, maybe. I do appreciate your support and thoughts!
I trust your experience Buddy. I'm sure you are 100% accurate when you say the specifications are not accurate on these guns. You want accurate specs buy a $400 gun :). -13 here where I live this AM now its 0. Stay warm!!
@@Danno74Z Yikes, it cold here too. Where you at?
It'll be below zero here in the am. Imo the ani f160 would be a better buy than the black widow and cheaper too. Plus you can get the tips you want w it. 143.00 to doorstep from spraygun direct a month ago. Flg 5 devilbiss bout same but throws some cloud. Unreal fan pattern though
Sorry missed this. I'm in northern Colorado. 10AM it is -1. Predicted low -10 next two days. Further north much worse with dangerous windchill.
Good show! I’m not looking forward to painting in the cold again. Plus my vision has deteriorated noticeably since the last cold season😗😗
Appreciate it brother! No fun in this kinda cold. Dealing with you vision makes it more challenging. Hang in there brother.
@@GarageNoise My left eye might as well be a jawbreaker at this point. Compensating for a lack of depth perception is difficult at best for spray gun distance🙄🙄
Great comparison! I have the Inokraft on order, the main reason being how often the compressor kicked on when you were using the Black Widow and how often it didn't kick on when you were using the Inokraft. I have a good sized compressor, but the less I have to listen to it, the better. The difference in overspray was also pretty noticeable. Cheers!
Awesome! Appreciate the comment and support brother!
Great video. I have had good luck with habor Freight. Thanks for sharing
I think its a dam good finish on both guns given the circumstances you're working in... 💪 DV1 B will be my next base gun. I have a W400 supernova which I use for both base and clear and it's a superb paint gun
Thank's brother. You got a couple great guns for sure.
Difference I saw between the 2 was it looked like you had to work the black widow more. Could definitely move quicker w a little further distance on the inokraft. I bought the a610 and was really surprised by it. I also have a techna (prolite) and flg5. Bought my son an ani f160 . Bought the a610 just to check it out but stock w the guns I can get parts for down the road if I want. Nice video.
Ani F160 all day over the other guns
Turn the fluid out more and you could move the widow around just as much as the other gun. You can run the widow wide open fan and fluid at 28 lbs and lay glass
Hi Chris, the Black Widow did a great job on the bedside but you can tell it's not a LVLP gun as it was pumping out more overspray so it will be less efficient than the Drizzle but as you said they both laid down a nice finish on the clear with very little difference between the two guns, I would say the Drizzle is the better gun for the DIY that is doing it at home in the garage.
Thanks for sharing Chris👌🙏👍John UK
Not seeing enough base!!
Excellent advice and video 👍🏻
Thank's brother!
Wow Great review thanks
Thanks for watching!
Mate you really should try an east wood concourse pro. It’s a lvlp. Sprays very nicely. I also like the husky gun from Home Depot. LVLP. Does pretty good as well
The Eastwood lt 100?
Concourse PRO is HVLP.
looks like it sprays clear really good >
The Black Widow's overspray was a bit too much, considering most home users won't have a pro level exhaust. That's a major factor that DIYers should ponder. The expected finish can be hampered by the fact that you're spraying half blind partway through a session. The Inokraft appears to be the better gun for home use. However, is the air cap better than its sibling A610?
I like the widow better but wow does to put half of the clear in the air.I would like to see how it does full fan and fluid wide open. thanks for showing but i still like my DV1.
Which water seperator do you prefer and why, the clear one or the red plastic one?
Thanks.
What would be the smallest recommended air compressor to run the drizzle or r500? You’ve actually got me convinced into getting one of these to start my journey
Another video thanks brother
Great video! This gun comes with three tips. Which one are you using for priming, base and clear? Tanks
Primer 1.5 base and clear 1.3
Nice work which one do you like better
For my purposes, the Inokraft. I like the larger fan on the widow tho
I have the 1.7 tip Black Widow. Love it. Even with a 26 PSI compressor. Definitely an air hog. But I just take my time. The R500 is my goto LVLP gun. Fan isn't the greatest but it still works pretty good. I just hate how tight they have the tips screwed on when you purchase them. Makes it a nightmare to clean or switch tips.
The mask you were using do you have issues with fogging up and if not where did you get it. Nice demo on the guns
This was first time I used it. Didn't fog up, I liked it. Here is a link
amzn.to/3S06XRA
@GarageNoise lol I actually have this but haven't used it yet. Thanks
@@GarageNoise that mask is no good for isocyanates
So I have a question whe. Spraying with the HTE or the HLPV guns, do you ever get orange peel the reason I am asking i am thinking about painting my 2008 GMC sierra and I want it to look nice but I worry about getting Orange peel in the paint.
Yeah ,I get it but it can be wet sanded out to glass if you get too much. I have plenty of video's to help you avoid it and video's to help correct it as well.
i use a knockoff r500 with a iwata split nozzle..200$ total,,great pattern n atomization
Sounds like a great setup, I'm always trying to find the best deals!
What do you recommend for starting pressure with the Drizzle? Thanks
Base coat 15-19 psi clearcoat 25-29
Which paint gun do you think is better that black widow you're using or the blue astro paint gun
I like the blue astro, it's been awhile since I sprayed it but it has a bit smaller fan so for that reason the black widow.
Great video. Why do you have your air lines run up and down where the come out of the compressor?
That's for the condensation that comes out of the tank.
I need to donit on mine,I have a l devilbiss 3 stage dryer too thou I need to install.
Hello, I love your videos. I would like to know why your floor is always wet when you paint?
I wet it down to help with dust.
So am i correct ....you use the " Color Blender " as basically a clear base coat--- for the actual base coat color ? thanks in advance ! Jay Fox
Absolutely!
What compressor is good for this paint gun? Thanks
Which gun?
@GarageNoise one in the video. I have the standard compressor with wheels. Thinking it will work just have to stop let air build up. Just wanted your advice. Thanks
Black widow@@GarageNoise
Question why is your in-line air filter before the regulator? Is that the norm?
I always learned to paint from the top down but don't see everyone doing this?
I just want to see guns I can buy in the uk
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, bro 👍👍 success always
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That's a bad ass compressor 🦾
What would the labor cost be for replacing a door skin?
I have the replacement skin.
2019 subaru outback right rear door.
Drop off pick up when ready.
I'll paint it.
Email?
Where did you buy the goggles at that you were wearing when you were shooting clear do you have a link for them and do they fog up?
Came with the respirator, they didn't fog up first time I used them.
amzn.to/3tJ9Le1
As a hobbyist I don't understand the difference between HVLP and HTE, please explain?
I'll do a video, I don't think you the only one.
So what’s your favorite option out of all the cheap lvlp guns you have reviewed?
I like how they all spray, I perfer the looks of the Drizzle D1 but that's a personal preference.
Chris hope you're OK Chris you need mate to get a space heater for the workshop keep you nice and warm Chris I think you should do a shoot 🔫 out with the kiwami 4 1.3 see what comes,out first 👍 that would be very Interesting 😊
Kiwami4 vs black widow or Drizzle d1 lvlp
damn that inova gun up north here is 220 i own a Flg 5 from Deivilbiss for less money and has never quit on me yet
Flg 5 has a tiny fan compared to these guns.
I like my flg5 too. Sprays nice. But I like my Iwata Bellaria better😁 Killer for metallics and clear
A larger fan doesn't equate to being a better gun. In fact, it's really not an advantage for spraying clear as the fluid is spread out more and the fan becomes drier. A wetter fan pattern is actually more efficient in building up mils, better gloss, and less paint wastage in the air @philortega6516
Do you use any ventilation fans? I ordered the vevor 10 inch ventilation fan to get rid of fumes but i was wondering if there should any worries with clear coat and paint being flammable. I also noticed you use the propane heater so I’m assuming you haven’t had issues with that.
It's explosion proof
I have noticed that you always set your spray guns at considerably lower air pressure than the manufacturers recommend which in most cases is 29 PSIG with the trigger pulled. Is there a reason you do this and doesn't it affect the amount of orange peel you can achieve? Also, how do you run a commercial body shop without a spray booth? In California The South Coast Air Management District would shoot you on site, here in Arizona they would just make you go out of business.
Move to "The Sooner State." :)
The reason he had to work the Black Widow 2.0 so much is because he was running full fan and 2 turns out from full on fluid. This gun is best ran full open on fan/fluid between 26-28psi. Clear probably 28-30psi. The Black Widow 2.0 puts out very good results, but in saying that it also depends on the user and his/her adjustments and how they spray.
Chris what's the part number for that swivel joint at end of the paint gun.
It comes with that gun, but you can find it just Google it. IMO it is a nuisance while spraying.
It's built into the Widow
What's the big difference with the HTE? And do you prefer HTR LVHP or the HVLP? Thank you
HTE is the in between the HVLP and LVLP . In my spraying situation I perfer the LVLP
Don't worry about the label. Match the gun to your compressor with the compressor having more CFM than the gun. You will be able to make the gun perform as intended.
Went ahead and bought a Drizzle even tho I have a turbine system I can use. Reason is, I really like the R500 and reduced overspray combined with good results is what I look to achieve. Going to try this today for clear coat on a hood. If I like it too much, might become a dedicated clear gun on standby. I have the cheaper R500's off Ali Express I got for 35 bucks delivered. Crazy price for a gun that actually works well and is decently built. Did have one fail. Developed a leak I couldn't stop. But at 35 bucks, who cares,really.
Will not be getting the HF gun. Too much overspray for me. This basic Drizzle was cheaper,too
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Isn’t the drizzle d1 just the same as the A610 off Aliexpress?
I appreciate your comment because nobody seems to use aliexpress and stuff is just rebranded on to Amazon with different names. So I figured the D1 was just an A610?
I’d appreciate your thoughts
@@baptistlion4060 in China, I think resellers can customize the spray guns to appear high end or more basic with different finishes, colors, upscaled knobs, ect. Even changing the stamping for essentially the same gun. So the A610 is probably starts with the same basic design. So its all a matter of choice. I like the finish on the D1 and it has performed very well. I will get my hundred dollars worth out of it and then some. I clean it and take care of it as if it costs much more, so no reason it shouldn't last.
I found a "split nozzle" gun on Ali that is fairly cheap at just under 100. Rather curious about that gun as well and wondering if it is functionally like the Porphis guns. But...I can't buy everything i see, I don't that UA-cam throw-away
Money😅
Id go with the Drizzle D1 .just coz its a LVLP and can be used at home garage 🤙🏾
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Go with the ASTRO HE EURO. Blows this out of the water.
Where are you sir, we miss you
New video live now. Took a week off, appreciate the support!
God dang what r u spraying into the camera 80psi?
That camera really picks up the spray gun need to find a fix for that.
@@GarageNoise maybe an external mic with a cover
Not bad
Helow sir I'm a autobody technician have almost 9 years and counting experience.Are you hiring sir im her in Saudi Arabia I'm a pilipino national I'm working paint less or pdr sir.
I'm interested to working with you sir
Sorry not hiring.
copy of the a610 probably rename for business purpose
Yes, there are several guns that are the same the orig manufacturer is a company called Rong Peng from China. They have a website you can look them up.
Most of the comments are, this as is good as a 1000.00 spray gun. No it's not. I bought a Black Widow just for kicks, under 200 bucks let's try it. My regular color gun is a Devilbiss GTI. The widow is not a bad gun and will lay down a great finish. Where it differs is the adjustments. I can dial that GTI down to a dot and pull the fluid control back to the point that it is nearly an air brush. The widow just does not have that kind of control.
I think you spray to close there is alot of over spray and you don't spray from left to right to cover the entire panel. You stopped in the middle than sprayed from the left of the panel and stopped in the middle. Video 11:40. No thank you I will find a better diy video
Its all personal preference how far to spray. What matters is the end result.
That's ok, plenty others available
Open it up let it flow
It's a balance, if you want to control overspray.
On the Black Widow, it would have been better at 26 pounds of PSI that's why you wouldn't have Over spray.
Heres what i know i have both and lvlp puts more paint on the car and less in the air need i say More.
Perfect!
The problem hte has only one tip!
I don't like one tip....
That is something to consider.
Damn those fancy subtitles were very distracting/annoying.
Too much? I'm always testing new things.
@@GarageNoise took my focus off the actual action on screen.
I'm with Neil on this. I gave up watching before two minutes. That crap is unnecessary. May be OK watching on a phone, but I have a 43" computer monitor so I can see detail on all these tech videos I watch, and I just can't get past the subtitles. Sorry for the thumbs down. Feel free to curse my name for centuries.
I agree the subtitles were too much. Good for the UA-cam shorts but not for full videos IMO.
Whats the hte mean?
High transfer efficiency
Dude purchase an inflatable spray booth, set it up n your shop suspend it from the rafters above and inflate when needed, Why spray in a dirty shop.
A dirty shop is key to a great paint job 😮
I'm working on a booth at the end of the building I'm in. Will be ready this summer.
You can still get dirt in a booth. Booths are good for fume extraction tho
That’s no good to me when I live in the uk 🤷♂️
D1 is better
When I buy a spray gun the last thing on Earth I want it to do is "Drizzle." What a stupid name for something that is suppose to put on a uniform coat of paint. Smooth Spray or Even Spray would be a lot better than Drizzle.
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I feel like this video has been rushed