I was a child in a white evangelical church and was attending that church in 1973 when Roe v. Wade determined that women had a Constitutional right to abortion. There was not one peep from anyone about it. No fiery sermon, no call to arms and rallies, in fact, crickets. I never heard a sermon against Democrats, or gay people, or against the acceptance of diversity. They talked about one thing: "Accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, and letting him guide your life." That was it. That was all. I went back to that same church as a person on the edge of retirement several years ago and was shocked. It had become a cruel, unbending, intolerant place. THEY are the ones who changed.
Exactly. Makes you wanna throw the baby out with the bath water - but that church is one congregation and replacing Jesus with trump for “our way of life” is tribal egotism. I’m almost an atheist but I still consider (human) Jesus my hero because he walked his talk as he understood. If you like - try reading RESCUING THE BIBLE FROM FUNDAMENTALISM by John Shelby Spong. And there are plenty of congregations and denominations to choose from….. a few don’t fuss about the shakedown AKA as the salvation offer (you can’t refuse…) that’s exactly why Christianity in America literally has hundreds of denominations. Ask with your heart and your life will intersect with possibilities.Blessings to you and loved ones and see you voting day!😊😊✌️✌️🙏🙏❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@grmpEqweer He was a man that becomes complicated through a historical perspective. He was a major figure in the American Revolution and therefore counted by many as an unsung hero, but he also owned 2 plantations worked by slaves and owned the Charleston Wharf where a huge number of slaves were moved through. So his connection with slavery was much more than just the slaves he personally owned. The flag he made for the first Marines should have actually read "Don't tread on a white person".
The name Christian is the only thing Christian in Christian nationalism. God or the love of God or others who are not American white males do not enter into the equation.
Thanks, Lincoln project. A clear lens for me: God does not use Christian Nationalists or Mr. Trump. Christian Nationalists and Mr. trump USE GOD. (I reckon God sees the distinction). See y'all on Voting Day. Blessings. 🏈🏈🏈
It can't be proven there's a "God". What it is is pulling rank by claiming they are backed by a "higher being" -- Mike Flynn asserts, "My god is bigger than your god." It's all self-serving and -justifying hogwash.
Even better. Don't allow religious groups ever to make laws based on their beliefs. Which is what the actual Constitution was supposed to do. It's why Evangelicals needed politicians and legal puppets that are willing to completely ignore laws, human dignity and legal integrity to enforce their authoritarian shit list.
Yes! It is insane that churches can take political stands yet don't pay a penny to support the country that gives them that right. Didn't Jesus say "give to Ceasar what is Caesar's"??
The guy who organized the first Prayer Breakfast in Washington D. C. stated years ago that he was visited by a spirit who told him that the rich people are rich according to God's intentions. A blatantly perverse and heretical interpretation of reality.
The thing a lot of the people that support Donnie don't understand is that if they do or say something Donnie doesn't like he will turn on them in the blink of an eye.
@@DouglasHarding-hu1jc You seem to forget under Donnie people's bodies were being put into refrigerated semi-trailers from all of the Covid deaths, Donnie blew UP the national debt by over $7 Trillion dollars in his tax giveaway to the 1%, Donnie kept "promising" an infrastructure bill that never happened, Donnie "hoped and wished" Covid would go away, and many other bad things. President Biden is having to clean up the mess Donnie left him. President Biden actually passed an Infrastucture bill, the CHIPS and science act, brought down the price of insulin to $35, has brought American manufacturing jobs to the US, and so many other GREAT things for the US and the American people. As for "inflation" that is corporations price gouging people and not President Biden's fault. Now use your brain for once in your life, but I understand if thinking is to hard for you to do. Now go sit in the corner and be quite child the adults in the room ar talking.
Been living in the bible belt for 20 years and this has been going on for quite some time - there are many - co-existing themes/grievances that found mutual utility . the lost cause / white supremacy / right wing talk radio found a willing partner in the rapidly diminishing church and have attempted to blend together some type of mutated coherent theology . Immediately following 9/11 i began hearing a lot of very angry retribution talk coming from the religious crowd - and expressing the need for war - retribution to defend christian values - and I remember thinking - these people are exactly like Osam Bin Laden's crowd - fanatics - - they come at it in a different language and from a different book but they are the same - fanatics are fanatics . It was so obvious all the policy options they were professing were exactly the theocratic rule that was decided at the root of them attacking US mainland . In 2002 a publicly elected official declaring that this is a religious state and there is no such thing as a separation between church and state affairs in this country would have been put in a straight jacket - today they do it all the time .
@@pjpredhomme7699 Nationalism is a waste of time, since all Christians know and believe that Israel is destined to rule the world. "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion" (Psalm 2:6, KJV). Even so, come, Lord Jesus! Establish the Kingdom of Peace in Jerusalem (Isaiah 9:7, KJV)!
There is no such thing as bigotry. It's an arbitrary concept that doesn't reflect anything in actual reality. Bigotry, sexism, racism, homophobia, etc..., none of these things are found anywhere on the Christian moral spectrum (one way or the other). They exist as nodes on the antichristian satanic moral value system and have been imposed upon former Christendom. Racism isn't real and doesn't exist. Same with bigotry, sexism and the rest. You can free your mind from these invisible chains simply by realizing these things are fake.
So what are they? We need to call them what they are White Male Christian Nationalists. They are fascists. We need to stop beating around the bush and call this movement what it actually is, White Male Christian Nationalism. It is NOT based on the teachings of Jesus Christ which states that God made ALL PEOPLE MALE OR FEMALE IN HIS IMAGE. There is no one demographics that should be in power politically, economically and socially above everyone else. That is the hierarchy they want to set up in the United States of America. The best example of this group historically is the Ku Klux Klan.
Will there only be ONE church/religion in this country? Who's religion will we teach in schools or ??? We have many faiths / religions in this country. If this country should be run by a religion, Who's religion, Who's bible? Vote blue 💙 Save our democracy. Save our democracy for our children's future.
Part of the problem in the US. 40,000+ man made churches/denominations. All with their individual interpretation of the Bible. It's a contagion. They need a vaccination for misrepresented TRUTH.
The Christian Nationalists have an answer to your question, and, as always, they are absolutely certain they are right. Their answer is that they are entitled to rule because they are Christians who have the “one true religion.” Their God has been transformed from a soft-spoken middle-eastern Jewish carpenter into a blonde, blue-eyed, white-skinned Caucasian who exemplifies the racism that is the foundation of their right to rule. They declare that they are trying to “save” everyone by imposing, and enforcing, conservative Christian principles and rules onto the entire nation. Anyone who objects or refuses to comply is not just a “sinner,” but an “enemy of God” who deserves to be punished.
Who's religion? Christianity. Many religions in this country is the problem and it didn't use to be like that. Democracy has brought us sodomy parades, degeneracy, drag queen story hour, after school satan club, abortion on demand, drug epidemics and the destruction of the family. Without Christianity, America is like a public toilet that every craps on and never flushes.
To be fair most of American Christianity is utter heresy. Not really meaning to defend it but they way all these churches whose self taught pastors are their own popes twist the christian message is just sick.
A Concerted cultist with talking points is not intellectual. Barrett is a copout. At best she's the token used by conservative chauvinists to pretend they're right and can ignore their stealing control of women from ourselves.
I live just outside the Colorado Springs city limits. When a mass shooting/murder occurred in a gay bar last year, some residents got on Nextdoor to say the shooter was doing God's work. A commenter in one of these viewer comments sections wrote recently (paraphrasing) that "the culture is not at war with the Evangelical church. The church is at war with the culture. It couldn't be more obvious."
I like to say that God created homosexuals to test our compassion, mercy and love. Jesus said we should love each other as He loves us. What a wonderful test of our compassion to see how we react to a person whose orientation is so completely different from our own? You either believe God created us all in His image and loves us all equally, or you do not.
My mother, who was always a wonderful, loving person, started attending an evangelical church years back. I think it started when she went along with some friends, then started going every week on her own. Over time I had come to learn that this church had been telling her some crazy things, and she got very defensive whenever we tried even the slightest bit to discuss it with her. Then once while visiting her I saw she had brought home several pages of literature extremely negative towards gay people. I asked her about it and she went off on how they were sent by Satan, are converting our kids etc etc. About a year later she went on a group tour somewhere (not with the church) where after she returned told me that the tour guide was a gay man and that she was very surprised, he was so NICE. She said she had expected a demon. I am happy she was able to experience that before passing on a couple of years later.
@@watchtheskysBut don't you see you fail to see the contradiction between your own words and your Gospel citation? That was no carnal love Christ was talking about when he commanded us to love as Christ loved. As for your glib comment about "same image", do you let the mugger have your wallet just because he has the same 'image'? And did you notice the difference? Have you ever wondered what the meaning is for God to say, "let us make him in our own image and likeness", but then Adam is made in the image alone, not both image and likeness? Once you figure this out, you will realize mollycoddling sinners is not showing love to them, it does not help them acquire the likeness of God as well. It does not help you, either
@@watchtheskys is that orientation so different ? its an intimate connection with another person - that is all it is IMO. I am not of that persuasion but why on earth would i be pre-occupied with the way in which someone else chooses or who they choose to connect with . There is nothing particularly difficult about it. Simple matter of respect for others and their own personal rights . nothing more complicated
The rich man came to Jesus and asked. Master, what must I do to be saved? Jesus said, go and sell all you have, and feed the poor. Sadly the rich man went away, because he couldn't part with his riches. It is harder for a rich man to get into the kingdom of heaven, than a camel to go through the eye of a needle.
We in Europe have learned a bitter lesson regarding religion . Many of the bloodiest internecine wars in Europe were between Christians . France was the first to come against this craziness in 1798. And France is now leading Europe in its fall away from Religion and religious practices . Same in UK , Germany , Italy all the countries that were previously “Christian “. We learned our lesson . America should take note !
France was embroiled in Catholic vs. Protestant warfare in the 1500s! A 3-year civil war of Catholics vs. Protestants was ended with an accord in 1570, but in 1572, on August 24, Catholics in Paris, then all over France, attacked and murdered thousands upon thousands of Protestants when their Catholic Princess married a Protestant--the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. MASSACRE.
So the church is removed, now France seems to be ruled by a class of metropolitan Parisiens educated at one academie or another in... Paris. If it walks and talks like the Roman Catholic Church, it might well be the Roman Catholic Church, albeit in a different cloth. If it behaves like royalty, it might be because it thinks it has a droit divin to rule. There's nothing new under the sun really, only the outer appearances change. Ask any Frenchman what he thinks of the Parisien administrative and industrial elites and comparissons with le Roi du Soleil and church magistrates are likely to follow. People often do not see why populism and suppremacist ideology root so well in the peripheries, because that'[s where people see every day evidence that they're being left behind. And that is the main problem that feeds resentment. Whether that is channeled through religious or nationalist extremism, is a matter of external appearance. The resentment is key.
Europe never really had a theocracy, and France got rid of the king who barely did anything wrong, whose only crime was inheriting the debts of the past ones, but then they did not bring in order but more chaos and from that came tyrant that cut a bloody path across Europe,
All of this insanity could have been avoided if these people had just gotten a proper education. Nothing kills religious extremism like learning the ins and outs of evolution.
No, that has already been tried and failed. All you really accomplished was to inspire themselves to set up steeper and harder walls around them to protect themselves from the outside world and becoming themselves more cult-like.
@@lillefrance7406Yeah definitely not. Been studying scripture for 19 years and have absorbed it enough to apply it in daily life. You definitely compared scripture to outside critique having been motivated before hand.
There was a time when I was a Christian. When I served in the Army, I remember attending a Prayer Breakfast, and not really knowing of its origins at the time. But as time went on, I became more and more wary of religion in general, and soon quit going to church and eventually becoming an Atheist. I think it was because of the company I was keeping at the time I was a Christian, but because I started to pay attention, I saw it for what it was, or really, saw people who were utilizing religion to suit their agenda, which did not look like what a true Christian should be, like my late husband. He was a true Christian because he did not boast, was prideful, or blatantly exclaim his religious beliefs. He also leaned liberal, but he never voted in his life. To me, he was a true definition of a Christian; truly remarkable since he chose to stay with me despite me being an Atheist, and he never judged me because of it and vice-versa.
I believe in My Great Creator. And all the Beauty we have around us, I don't trust people who want to control others and Use The Holy Bible for their own Greed.
@@christopherlees1134 that is this new fake christianity we see in america. You make people fear God. You make God a fearmongering deity that is ready to hit you with a stick You never teach the compassion and grace of God or Jesus And to separate this makes you false and even if you guys win, it actually means very little. The Bible says clearly what is going to happen and you are actually the country that starts it all My God is compassionate and loving and kind and graceful and loves me for infinity. He wants it for everyone, and we will continue to fight for unsaved people, but NOT through guns, trump, or any political BS. This christianity is fake and the God you are peddling is anti-christ. and you dont see it. just remember, when YOUR time is up, you cannot then change your mind. It will be over and the teetch screeching then will be overwhelming
@@suzannederusha1370 So, my religion tells me to not to poison the neighbor dog who barks way to much. You would be ok if I had no religion and killed the dog. I would be justified?
@@daves8429 Get real, that’s not at all the topic here. Religion has been used to commit horrific acts against others for centuries. Evil people hide behind it because they can.
Those are just 2 branches of the same tree. If you want to get technical, Christianity and Islam are just altered forms of Jewish beliefs. Personally I find it hilarious that those three groups have so many issues with each other. When they are the closest to each others thought processes. You'd think that since they are so similar that they would get along well lol.
@@reaperbsc You don't know any of the three if you really believe their thought process are so similar. Only Judaism, for example, has "building a fence around the Law"
Yep. My family has several in the cult. I left Catholicism years ago when I realized how much control and manipulation was involved in the teaching... for centuries. Several family members are all on board over one issue: abortion.
There are people in Canada preaching the gospel of Trump, and hate against the liberals in churches. There are conservative leaders in Canada following Trump's example. More recently, Tucker Carlson held Rallies in Canada. So, if you think this is localized, it isn't.
Fellow Canadian here.......yes, it's a HUGE problem and it affects more than just the people living in the States. This is something the entire free world needs to fight against.
That's a bizarre statement from someone who hates half the people in it. And even worse is the extreme misrepresenting of who you see as the opposition. We didn't come from hate we became a response to your hate that we'd dare to disagree with you. You all are completely dishonest and or delusional if you don't see the role your radical left has played in the division.
Vote out the infidels!! You know, Biden and his atheist cabinet!! They have caused more problems for America than any other administration. We are being destroyed as a nation, and as a people!
A cross turned upside down is a sword, and a cross is an unfolded cube. A cross symbolizes "Spirit unfolded on the plane of matter" representing the implicate and explicate order of existence. In order for movement (life) to occur, a sacrifice must be made, thus Eheieh asher Eheieh ("I am that which I am becoming" or "I am that I am"). See also: Corpus Hypercubus, Bohm's Implicate Order
I attend a liberal nondenominational church in Michigan where a large proportion of members are actively involved in community work for minorities, LGBTQ, homeless, and refugee/immigrants. We are from many different denominations (or none), professional and blue collar. The acceptance and spiritual respect we have for each other is so refreshing-I can’t imagine attending anywhere else. It saddens me to hear about these “militia churches.”
I went to Rev. Jim Jones' People's Temple in Ukiah, CA a few times when I was like 19. Talk about charismatic!! I could listen to him for hours, but he never spoke against anything, that I can recall. People brought food, and there was horseback riding. It was awesome. Luckily I never felt the need to join anything. He also taught Civics at the high school. Brilliant man. So sad to see later what happened in Jonestown but glad I never went along.
Perfect testimonial about how people can be lured by a charismatic psychopath. And how millions are currently held in sway to a malignant narcissist with authoritarian impulses. Trump = Jim Jones. Look at how many drank the J6 Kool Aid.
Not an expert by any means but I believe it is true that Jim Jones started out with very noble, altruistic intentions that mutated along the way . Not what is happening here -these people have always been about justifying their thirst for power.
Problem is, the Civil War did not end. The troops were sent home. Reconstruction was abandoned. Sentiments remained as they were. Black Codes were introduced, and Chain Gangs, and high rates of Black incarceration by white juries, to make sure the former slaves 'knew their place' and knew the regime had not even faltered. And today the Confederacy is back, heavily armed, heavily infused with a desire for vengeance, ready to bring down everything the northerners stood for, which includes Enlightenment values, those values that were against slavery and white supremacy. To the South, the Civil War is still the War Of Northern Aggression. But now they think they can win it.
Things actually have changed however. Today you have mass media which can expose the CN fanatics so as to turn public opinion against them very quickly. As to "heavily armed" = Pfft! Hunting rifles do not fare well against armored vehicles and indirect fire weapons. Moral of the story: any of these LARPing "militias" insane enough to try to start anything would quickly become cannon fodder. Their neighbors would turn against them and government forces would overrun them. p.s. - they live under the deluded illusion that a minority of the country during the American Revolution actually fought to succeed. That is _faux_ history however. The Continental Army had the support of most of the nation while they had a large amount of assistance from others. About half the troops and all of the navy at Yorktown as an example = were French.....
I don't think Jesus approves of fomenting hate and greed! Matthew 25? You saw that I was hungry and you cut my pay. You saw that I was thirsty and you allowed Monsanto/Bayer to poison my water. You saw that I was in prison and you waterboarded me!" That sounds more like today's reality.
There are a lot of similarities - do not forget that was embraced out of desperation and National socialism borrowed the utility of fascism to garner broader appeal -" at least they made the trains run on time ". Fascism is simply applying criminality to the institution of government . So you can see how they all kind of coalesce.
No different. The same! That's the problem. We haven't learnt from history. The whole Trump / Steven Bannon platform, MAGA is really, "Make America White Again".
If I were a Trump supporter for evangelical reasons, I’d sure want to hear him talking more about Christ, the Bible and maybe even holding the Bible upright now and then.
What for Brandon? Do you think with Trump quoting from the Bible that this will appease God, who he has greatly offended? Trump is heralded as the Messiah. It is so blasphemous. God might strike him down with lightning and his hair turn to cinder. The Evangelicals are using Trump, Trump is using them. A bad case of fornication without any protection. They might both get a venereal disease.
Religion is based ... mainly upon fear ... fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race. Bertrand Russell
I couldn't agree more, but can you streamline that to a few sentences or a very short paragraph for a comments section? Again, I'm with you completely.
@debc....I have to disagree...faith in God is not moving towards fear but rather away from fear..I used to fear everything and everyone..since I have committed my life to living as Jesus taught in the new testament, I have been blessed by having laid to rest my fears and living my faith without fear...i am still struggling with NOT hating tRump for all the hate that he has spread throughout the country and in so many families.. 🙏🙏🙏 ❤❤❤.🎉🎉.❤❤❤ 🙏🙏🙏 Vote blue 💙
As I have said from the get go, political party and not a religion, so maybe these “churches” should be removed from any sense of being a religion and pay taxes.
But that's how Trump wants it. He sees the dictators of world as strong men. He's a narcissist so he thinks he is a strong man too. So, the greatest achievement for him will to be to become America's strong man - dictator. All of which ties in with the christo - fascist agenda.
I'm a Christian-- Episcopalian, a comparatively liberal slice of the Church. I'm very grateful for that, too, since it means that I'm fully allowed to make my own adult decisions about much of life-- including politics. Christian nationalism is a myth, theologically unjustified and completely unsound, a movement based in power lust and in no way imitative of Christ himself, or the canon, or the history of the Church, or in any logic either. The Christian Church exists apart from secular concerns insofar as they involve power in the world, rather being a matter of serving human beings in charity and helpfulness-- leaving the arguments for control to the secular powers that be. The New Testament is unambiguous about the role of believing people in the larger world. We are directed to love, to serve, and to exemplify Christ in the world, which is, and always will be, a foreign place and something largely opposed to the Christian faith, practically and philosophically-- for obvious reasons: Christ gave away power, refused to fight or become violent in seeking power, saw power as in fact belonging to God and no one else, and sacrificed himself, in spite of fully possessing the power to destroy his enemies, while in the world, the ferocious collecting of power and wealth and influence means that the last thing anyone will be willing to do is to give power away! Exactly the opposite. Therefore, there is no denying that there is absolutely no resemblance between Jesus Christ and the character of Christian nationalism we're discussing here. It simply doesn't exist. Christian nationalism is the contemptuous highjacking of a beautiful faith by sadistic extremists who confuse toxic masculinity with religious enthusiasm. If they really did intend to imitate Christ, which is in fact the first goal of any professed Christian, they never would have come anywhere near the catastrophic miasma we're witnessing today in conservative evangelical Christianity in America. They use Christ, as legitimacy, and as religious certification, and as an all-powerful reference point, all the while defying each instruction he has given them. In other words, while the faith directs us to be "used of God", these people are using God. That's rather dangerous, aside of being shockingly stupid and completely disrespectful to God himself.
@@lechatbotte.and keep your church bunk out of politics if you want to keep it a tax-free entity, christian!...bah!...nobody needs religion's ineffectual maxims about unchecked greed when the society has laws against it...and, so, nobody will need your foolish christianity...or you foolish christians either!...hasten the damned day!
History teaches us humans that read, Religious nutcases is usually what END Nations, specially when Faith is applied forcefully, just read why Jesus was crucified and who were the ones that turned on him.
James Madison recognized that tax breaks for religions was "an establishment," thus prohibited by law. A religion is "established," the Founders said, when it is the subject of public policy, e.g., a bill giving it a tax break.
I remember in the 50”s singing in church “Onward Christian Soldiers” … marching as to war … with the cross of Jesus going on before. I’m glad my folks wouldn’t sing that hymn.
Even as a child I had problems with this. In fact I had a heated argument in Sunday morning bible class and was expelled. Instead I was obliged to read the bible alone for a year. 😱😱😱 I'm a life long atheist.
I haven't thought of tRump to have charisma in the same vein as Jimmy swaggart, but that checks a box for those that want to be told what to think. It explains a lot.
And the people bowed and prayed To the neon god they made And the sign flashed out its warning In the words that it was forming And the sign said, "The words of the prophets Are written on the subway walls And tenement halls And whispered in the sounds of silence
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Devout evangelicals CLAIM to really believe in a literal Judgment Day & a Hell. How's it likely to play out when their God demands an explanation as to why they chose Trump over Jesus ? This scripture should make MAGA Christians a bit nervous , imo.
Although you’re keeping a safe distance from the comparison but how the Israelis are ethnically cleansing Gaza is probably looking like a good prototype for what what white Christians would like! You’ll say there re Ethiopian Jews in Israel but they’re treated badly too.
It is obvious that God exists, so there is no need to "prove" it. Just like I can say, "If anyone can prove that other consciousnesses exist, then I'll believe it." God's existence does not require your meaningless little concession. You will meet God one day and be judged.
The YMCA was a big hang out and pick up place for Gay Men. It was a bath house with a cross on the wall. I saw a documentary here on UA-cam about it. Remember the Village People? I loved them growing up.
Was it Gilda Radner on Laugh-In that used to quip about going to The Church of What's Happening Now? It was funny back then. Now it seems like that was probably closer to a real church than what we see in some churches now.
Please make a short of Jeff’s last spiel. The part where he breaks down the evolution of $RUMP$ campaigns 16-24. He really stripped it down to bare understanding.
Thanks for a great eye-opening show. What bugs me most about these groups is when they forget that Jesus taught in parables -- metaphors. He's not talking about a real steel sword -- read the whole passage
What bothers me is that Jesus would not approve of this movement. Pray for our enemies, love thy neighbor etc...is not what these Evangelical people are preaching. It's their way or highway. Trump uses religion as a club. His foul language, especially in front of children is not exactly Christian.
You can memorize a thing and still not understand what you read and what it represents. So the capacity to quote passages from the Bible does not always correlate to representing what you parrot. It reveals a capacity for memorization = not understanding. Those represent completely different outcomes.
I must have missed a lot in the past 50 plus years because I’ve never been to a church that had any of these issues but to me it’s like one flew over the kookoos nest. I was wondering how Americans have gone of the deep end. Are there churches actually doing this crap? That’s sad!
All but one I've attended in my 40-odd years of life were Moral Majority/Christo-fascists. In multiple states. And the "Northern California church" is the monstrous group of assholes called Bethel. 😡
There's a church out here in San Diego County called 'Awaken' established in 2005 who's founders came in from New Zealand via Australia. They have a men's group who gathers periodically and conduct war games armed with guns, so they can be prepared to fight any encroachment on their freedoms from the government. Women are not allowed to particpate during these meetups.
My parents were further radicalized there. Awaken is a straight bullshit. Their persecution fetish as usual is misplaced. Usual "conservative Christian" lack of self-reflection. So, so tired of them.
For us in Europe, we are at loss to understand why Americans are so religious. We are largely atheist in Europe, where religion plays no part in politics and is a personal matter that you wouldn't bother other people with. All religions are not based on fact or evidence, they are belief movements of faith. They all eventually fade away and will be forgotten about. Nearly 3000 years of deep held beliefs by Egyptians are now just an historic curiosity. We dont worship Ra anymore, or Zeus or Odin. This will be the fate of Islam, Christianity and all the current world faiths, given a long enough period of time. God does not exist and never will do. There's only us in nature.
Oh jesus - don't try to help you will get them going bananas on Marxism - . Yes you are at a loss to understand - save yourself the time and trouble. You will only attempt to make sense out of something that makes no sense . These are deeply troubled people that attempt to keep it together by wearing some type of cloak of self-righteousness . It is hideously unattractive .
I think it's because the US was founded partly based on "religious freedom". Even 200 years ago, people were looking for a place where they could be crazy together with other crazies
The picture of Jesus that I grew up with was based on a commissioned painting from one of the earlier popes. The artist's model was one of the pope's illegitimate sons, a European. Most would find this a very difficult concept if you suggest that they disregard this representation!
As a Messianic-jewish believer, some nationalists are taking the Armour of G od as an offensive weapon when it's actually defensive. The only offensive weapon is the sword, which is the Word of G od.
Lets just twist things for the power and money of the flock! I became an atheist about 40 years ago because a minister was putting ideas into my children's head that was not even common sense and the same minister, which was the final straw for me, was having marital issues and was......I'll say was being done in a strange way as we were leaving the church. He began just going off about how his wife wasn't doing things as he felt she should at home and in the bedroom which was weird as hell to be honest. I was brought up in Lutheran and Presbyterian churches and went to a parochial catholic school during my elementary years. So pretty much my point of view is that its all a power/money engine using something unproven that was written a couple thousand years ago! When this "religion" stuff is used to go against others in their beliefs whether religion, race, gender or actual science facts is used to step on others, sounds like a power struggle to me!
Old Testament scripture, within the Holy Bible, repeats that because men were driven by their own desires(self centeredness) God turned them over to the consequences of their own actions.
All religions promote irrational thought. All religions promote distrust of out-groups. All religions promote unreasoning emotional attachment. They have no place in a world of 8.4B.
I disagree, profoundly. Name a religion that is not based on supernatural beings and processes. You can’t. Thus they are all irrational. All of them claim special status for adherents. Thus, all are about in groups and outgroups. @@urkiddingme6254
I disagree with you, profoundly so. Just look at the three statements, and then point out a religion that is not irrational, exclusionary, ecstatic. @@urkiddingme6254
As an atheist Canadian watching this, it was an eye opener. Can't wait to watch the rest. Please remember I am the mouse beside the elephant and the mouse has most of the world's fresh water. What do you think a dictatorship would do to us?
The smaller and more marginalized a group becomes, the louder and more aggressive their remaining followers become. In the US the status quo of White evangelical Christians is now pretty much a marginal group and they will get more and more aggressive as they go down.
I was raised as Presbyterian,... I walked away when I reached 15 years old .... I've had a gut-full of fire and brimstone bellowed at me from a pulpit,... I don 't need any more.
All this frightens me. These extremists have replaced God with their distorted version. Praying for the devil to come to bring the 2nd comming is still praying for the devil. These new moments that they talk about will only devalue religion. Many are replacing the values of Christ with the values of the anticrist.
Yes. They are neither Christians nor Nationalists really. They are as you alluded to attempting to facilitate what is really "groupthink" towards an extreme and cult-like fringe outcome. They are using "religion" for what is really = their own end..........
Very interesting and enlightening discussion guys, hard to believe what's going on in rural America these days and that those who aspire to violence are getting the religious permission they're looking for, to justify their angry cravings ☘️
Sharlet's book "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power" freaked me out in the pre-Trump era. Good writing, chilling subject matter.
Re Matthew 10: 34-36 -- Jesus is saying that his word will divide people. There will be those that accept his teaching, and those who will hate it. He warns his disciples many times that those who hate him will also hate them. But Jesus is definitely NOT advocating violence. That would be antithetical to all of his other teachings, and his example.
You pretend to yourself that there is an internally consistent ethical system in Paul, Gospels, Acts. There isn’t: it is folk literature, not an ethical codex. Even if it were an ethical system, you would need these evangelicals to know about it. They don’t. They know two verses: Luke 22:36, Matt 10:34-36.
@@oldpossum57 *You left out John 3:16, which they'll yell at nonbelievers til they're blue in the face. But made a stand-alone, catch-all verse like almost everything else they love to spout.
The verse about "I have come with a sword" is actually talking about him creating division among people over his teaching compared to the religion of the times. The other is a bad and ugly LITERAL translation. Read the entire context of what Jesus is saying.
Does not matter. White Evangelicals own 15% more guns than non-evangelicals. Both presenters told you that evangelicals don’t read the bible: they just have the stamp of Jesus. (Pew Research has said this for decades!) They know a verse or two. Luke 22:36, Matt 10:34-36. They don’t need a DD from Oxbridge.
that is the case with any type of knowledge it can be used for good or evil - mischaracterization out of context is very simple way to do that . done all the time.
Not all texts. The speed of light is 299,792,458 metres per second . Rarely can human knowledge approach the unambiguity of the hard sciences. Yet the standard of certainty produced by hard science is a limit that other domains should keep in mind. Religious texts are so ambiguous that they are empirically meaningless. @@pjpredhomme7699
The Apostles were not political and they knew this world was not their true land. They were hoping for and expecting an everlasting Kingdom. Worldly affairs they knew not of!!
Jolly good for them. Sadly for us, this particular brand of nonsense was well packaged, caught on, and due to the ignorance and self-indulgence of Americans in particular, the Western world is still cursed by it. Can we move on past magical thinking, please? Your resurrection didn’t happen.@@andrewortiz5797
A lot of the stuff coming from the Christian Nationalist is from the Old Judeo Testament where God is portrayed as vindictive , angry , petulant , and so on .. The Gospel of Jesus is totally against this ., it’s one of love and forgiveness . Not recrimination
2 men in a coffee shop...
1st man: Trump was sent by God.
2nd man: Why, did God run out of locusts?
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Those who believe their God is responsible for trump, have a very low opinion of their God!!!
@@hunglikeahorse---flyThey Worship Satanás
@@hunglikeahorse---fly Those people, who believe their God is responsible for Biden, have a very low opinion of their God!
I was a child in a white evangelical church and was attending that church in 1973 when Roe v. Wade determined that women had a Constitutional right to abortion. There was not one peep from anyone about it. No fiery sermon, no call to arms and rallies, in fact, crickets. I never heard a sermon against Democrats, or gay people, or against the acceptance of diversity. They talked about one thing: "Accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior, and letting him guide your life." That was it. That was all. I went back to that same church as a person on the edge of retirement several years ago and was shocked. It had become a cruel, unbending, intolerant place. THEY are the ones who changed.
Exactly. Makes you wanna throw the baby out with the bath water - but that church is one congregation and replacing Jesus with trump for “our way of life” is tribal egotism. I’m almost an atheist but I still consider (human) Jesus my hero because he walked his talk as he understood. If you like - try reading RESCUING THE BIBLE FROM FUNDAMENTALISM by John Shelby Spong. And there are plenty of congregations and denominations to choose from….. a few don’t fuss about the shakedown AKA as the salvation offer (you can’t refuse…) that’s exactly why Christianity in America literally has hundreds of denominations. Ask with your heart and your life will intersect with possibilities.Blessings to you and loved ones and see you voting day!😊😊✌️✌️🙏🙏❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
That’s a strong testimony thanks for sharing!
tRUMP caused it to be popular to be hateful
tRUMP caused it to be popular to be hateful
I agree
I note that the "Don't tread on me" flag creator owned and traded slaves.
...So he wanted to tread on other people.
Thank you for that info!! Can't wait to use it.💙
YIKES
I didn't know that - an excellent and relevant point.
His name was Christopher Gadsden.
Was looking him up to double-check myself; he owned about 90 slaves to work his rice plantation.
@@grmpEqweer He was a man that becomes complicated through a historical perspective. He was a major figure in the American Revolution and therefore counted by many as an unsung hero, but he also owned 2 plantations worked by slaves and owned the Charleston Wharf where a huge number of slaves were moved through. So his connection with slavery was much more than just the slaves he personally owned. The flag he made for the first Marines should have actually read "Don't tread on a white person".
Not much Christian in Christian Nationalism.
None. At all
The name Christian is the only thing Christian in Christian nationalism. God or the love of God or others who are not American white males do not enter into the equation.
They have the golden Jesus. Vote blue
They are neither the first nor the last to usurp the name 'Christian' for their own evil purposes.
An abundance of fascism though.
Thanks, Lincoln project. A clear lens for me:
God does not use Christian Nationalists or Mr. Trump. Christian Nationalists and Mr. trump USE GOD. (I reckon God sees the distinction). See y'all on Voting Day. Blessings. 🏈🏈🏈
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It can't be proven there's a "God". What it is is pulling rank by claiming they are backed by a "higher being" -- Mike Flynn asserts, "My god is bigger than your god."
It's all self-serving and -justifying hogwash.
How about you don’t get the tax breaks of a Church if your Church has nothing to do with Church, but rather Violence?
Poliitcal violence should result in prosecution and imprisonment. No payment of taxes from making license plates.
That will never happen, because they will be in power.
@@grumpycricket You're a quitter?
Even better. Don't allow religious groups ever to make laws based on their beliefs. Which is what the actual Constitution was supposed to do. It's why Evangelicals needed politicians and legal puppets that are willing to completely ignore laws, human dignity and legal integrity to enforce their authoritarian shit list.
Definitely times for churches to start paying taxes..
There never was a time they should have been exempt. This was always a gutless political SCOTUS ruling
Long, long past time…
Yes! It is insane that churches can take political stands yet don't pay a penny to support the country that gives them that right. Didn't Jesus say "give to Ceasar what is Caesar's"??
Definitely our greatest threat is white christian americans.
Oh yeah! Their gig is up.
The guy who organized the first Prayer Breakfast in Washington D. C. stated years ago that he was visited by a spirit who told him that the rich people are rich according to God's intentions. A blatantly perverse and heretical interpretation of reality.
According to satan's intentions!!
@@wendymom6294 Sounds like it!
👍🤘🖖 What ever happened to it being *easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich person to get to Heaven!?!*
@@brandirose3874 - The Religion for Breakfast channel has an episode on why that interpretation from the Greek is wrong.
@@MossyMozart how very convenient. The Prosperity Gospel .
we used to just call them neo nazis.
They are. The nazis were Protestant extremists. Sound familiar?
@@ernstthalmann4306 “Work makes free” right? Disgusting people they are.
Aryan Nation 2.0.
You still do. You also call them racists to the point that both nouns have lost all meaning.
The thing a lot of the people that support Donnie don't understand is that if they do or say something Donnie doesn't like he will turn on them in the blink of an eye.
Langford just discovered that.
@@carolinemaybe - Yes, bigly.
@@DouglasHarding-hu1jc You seem to forget under Donnie people's bodies were being put into refrigerated semi-trailers from all of the Covid deaths, Donnie blew UP the national debt by over $7 Trillion dollars in his tax giveaway to the 1%, Donnie kept "promising" an infrastructure bill that never happened, Donnie "hoped and wished" Covid would go away, and many other bad things. President Biden is having to clean up the mess Donnie left him. President Biden actually passed an Infrastucture bill, the CHIPS and science act, brought down the price of insulin to $35, has brought American manufacturing jobs to the US, and so many other GREAT things for the US and the American people. As for "inflation" that is corporations price gouging people and not President Biden's fault. Now use your brain for once in your life, but I understand if thinking is to hard for you to do. Now go sit in the corner and be quite child the adults in the room ar talking.
Yeah they 💯 missed the part of Nazi history where after you throw everyone else under the bus, you are next
It’s like he said… you knew I was a snake so why be surprised when I turn on you and bite!!
Everything Jeff says is true. It’s absolutely what’s happening. They are much more radical than they were. This book is a must read.
Been living in the bible belt for 20 years and this has been going on for quite some time - there are many - co-existing themes/grievances that found mutual utility . the lost cause / white supremacy / right wing talk radio found a willing partner in the rapidly diminishing church and have attempted to blend together some type of mutated coherent theology . Immediately following 9/11 i began hearing a lot of very angry retribution talk coming from the religious crowd - and expressing the need for war - retribution to defend christian values - and I remember thinking - these people are exactly like Osam Bin Laden's crowd - fanatics - - they come at it in a different language and from a different book but they are the same - fanatics are fanatics . It was so obvious all the policy options they were professing were exactly the theocratic rule that was decided at the root of them attacking US mainland . In 2002 a publicly elected official declaring that this is a religious state and there is no such thing as a separation between church and state affairs in this country would have been put in a straight jacket - today they do it all the time .
@@pjpredhomme7699 Nationalism is a waste of time, since all Christians know and believe that Israel is destined to rule the world. "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion" (Psalm 2:6, KJV). Even so, come, Lord Jesus! Establish the Kingdom of Peace in Jerusalem (Isaiah 9:7, KJV)!
They theologize emotions rooted in bigotry. That's NOT Christianity🥺
That is a very good description of it.
There is no such thing as bigotry. It's an arbitrary concept that doesn't reflect anything in actual reality. Bigotry, sexism, racism, homophobia, etc..., none of these things are found anywhere on the Christian moral spectrum (one way or the other). They exist as nodes on the antichristian satanic moral value system and have been imposed upon former Christendom. Racism isn't real and doesn't exist. Same with bigotry, sexism and the rest. You can free your mind from these invisible chains simply by realizing these things are fake.
They are subjectivists who reject reason and rule of law.
So what are they? We need to call them what they are White Male Christian Nationalists. They are fascists. We need to stop beating around the bush and call this movement what it actually is, White Male Christian Nationalism. It is NOT based on the teachings of Jesus Christ which states that God made ALL PEOPLE MALE OR FEMALE IN HIS IMAGE. There is no one demographics that should be in power politically, economically and socially above everyone else. That is the hierarchy they want to set up in the United States of America. The best example of this group historically is the Ku Klux Klan.
Yes it is!
Will there only be ONE church/religion in this country? Who's religion will we teach in schools or ??? We have many faiths / religions in this country. If this country should be run by a religion, Who's religion, Who's bible? Vote blue 💙 Save our democracy. Save our democracy for our children's future.
Part of the problem in the US. 40,000+ man made churches/denominations. All with their individual interpretation of the Bible. It's a contagion. They need a vaccination for misrepresented TRUTH.
The Christian Nationalists have an answer to your question, and, as always, they are absolutely certain they are right. Their answer is that they are entitled to rule because they are Christians who have the “one true religion.” Their God has been transformed from a soft-spoken middle-eastern Jewish carpenter into a blonde, blue-eyed, white-skinned Caucasian who exemplifies the racism that is the foundation of their right to rule. They declare that they are trying to “save” everyone by imposing, and enforcing, conservative Christian principles and rules onto the entire nation. Anyone who objects or refuses to comply is not just a “sinner,” but an “enemy of God” who deserves to be punished.
Teaching "religion" to children is a form of abuse every bit as bad as physical or sexual abuse.
Who's religion? Christianity. Many religions in this country is the problem and it didn't use to be like that. Democracy has brought us sodomy parades, degeneracy, drag queen story hour, after school satan club, abortion on demand, drug epidemics and the destruction of the family. Without Christianity, America is like a public toilet that every craps on and never flushes.
I’m so sick of being saturated with the Christian mythology and hypocrisy!!
Freedom of religion is the law of the land.
I’m ready for freedom from religion!
To be fair most of American Christianity is utter heresy. Not really meaning to defend it but they way all these churches whose self taught pastors are their own popes twist the christian message is just sick.
Really hard to think of Amy Coney Barrett as an "intellectual heavyweight".
She's definitely dangerous though
A Concerted cultist with talking points is not intellectual. Barrett is a copout. At best she's the token used by conservative chauvinists to pretend they're right and can ignore their stealing control of women from ourselves.
This is absolutely frightening. "God put it in my heart"?!?!? We are in serious trouble...
Looks like drag queen story hour might be coming to an end for you. Oh the humanity!
I have a playlist all about Christian Nationalism. most of that stuff will make your hair stand on end.
@@marifromky 😂
I live just outside the Colorado Springs city limits. When a mass shooting/murder occurred in a gay bar last year, some residents got on Nextdoor to say the shooter was doing God's work. A commenter in one of these viewer comments sections wrote recently (paraphrasing) that "the culture is not at war with the Evangelical church. The church is at war with the culture. It couldn't be more obvious."
I like to say that God created homosexuals to test our compassion, mercy and love. Jesus said we should love each other as He loves us. What a wonderful test of our compassion to see how we react to a person whose orientation is so completely different from our own? You either believe God created us all in His image and loves us all equally, or you do not.
My mother, who was always a wonderful, loving person, started attending an evangelical church years back. I think it started when she went along with some friends, then started going every week on her own. Over time I had come to learn that this church had been telling her some crazy things, and she got very defensive whenever we tried even the slightest bit to discuss it with her. Then once while visiting her I saw she had brought home several pages of literature extremely negative towards gay people. I asked her about it and she went off on how they were sent by Satan, are converting our kids etc etc. About a year later she went on a group tour somewhere (not with the church) where after she returned told me that the tour guide was a gay man and that she was very surprised, he was so NICE. She said she had expected a demon. I am happy she was able to experience that before passing on a couple of years later.
@@hatbpto5180 That would be hard to experience with a family member. Political power aside, I wonder what their motivation is for teaching such crap.
@@watchtheskysBut don't you see you fail to see the contradiction between your own words and your Gospel citation? That was no carnal love Christ was talking about when he commanded us to love as Christ loved.
As for your glib comment about "same image", do you let the mugger have your wallet just because he has the same 'image'? And did you notice the difference? Have you ever wondered what the meaning is for God to say, "let us make him in our own image and likeness", but then Adam is made in the image alone, not both image and likeness? Once you figure this out, you will realize mollycoddling sinners is not showing love to them, it does not help them acquire the likeness of God as well. It does not help you, either
@@watchtheskys is that orientation so different ? its an intimate connection with another person - that is all it is IMO. I am not of that persuasion but why on earth would i be pre-occupied with the way in which someone else chooses or who they choose to connect with . There is nothing particularly difficult about it. Simple matter of respect for others and their own personal rights . nothing more complicated
The rich man came to Jesus and asked. Master, what must I do to be saved? Jesus said, go and sell all you have, and feed the poor. Sadly the rich man went away, because he couldn't part with his riches. It is harder for a rich man to get into the kingdom of heaven, than a camel to go through the eye of a needle.
We in Europe have learned a bitter lesson regarding religion . Many of the bloodiest internecine wars in Europe were between Christians . France was the first to come against this craziness in 1798. And France is now leading Europe in its fall away from Religion and religious practices . Same in UK , Germany , Italy all the countries that were previously “Christian “. We learned our lesson . America should take note !
As an American living in France for over a decade, I concur. The problem now is Islam.
France was embroiled in Catholic vs. Protestant warfare in the 1500s! A 3-year civil war of Catholics vs. Protestants was ended with an accord in 1570, but in 1572, on August 24, Catholics in Paris, then all over France, attacked and murdered thousands upon thousands of Protestants when their Catholic Princess married a Protestant--the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre. MASSACRE.
Not quite true. The terreur was a quasi-religious mass killing spree.
So the church is removed, now France seems to be ruled by a class of metropolitan Parisiens educated at one academie or another in... Paris. If it walks and talks like the Roman Catholic Church, it might well be the Roman Catholic Church, albeit in a different cloth. If it behaves like royalty, it might be because it thinks it has a droit divin to rule. There's nothing new under the sun really, only the outer appearances change. Ask any Frenchman what he thinks of the Parisien administrative and industrial elites and comparissons with le Roi du Soleil and church magistrates are likely to follow.
People often do not see why populism and suppremacist ideology root so well in the peripheries, because that'[s where people see every day evidence that they're being left behind. And that is the main problem that feeds resentment. Whether that is channeled through religious or nationalist extremism, is a matter of external appearance. The resentment is key.
Europe never really had a theocracy, and France got rid of the king who barely did anything wrong, whose only crime was inheriting the debts of the past ones, but then they did not bring in order but more chaos and from that came tyrant that cut a bloody path across Europe,
All of this insanity could have been avoided if these people had just gotten a proper education. Nothing kills religious extremism like learning the ins and outs of evolution.
No, that has already been tried and failed. All you really accomplished was to inspire themselves to set up steeper and harder walls around them to protect themselves from the outside world and becoming themselves more cult-like.
Or just truly study the bible. Those of us that did, realized the contradictions etc.... and got out of this cult.
@@lillefrance7406Yeah definitely not. Been studying scripture for 19 years and have absorbed it enough to apply it in daily life. You definitely compared scripture to outside critique having been motivated before hand.
@lillefrance7406 *a good education and Bible study are not mutually exclusive*
@@brandirose3874 The bible teaches ethics and principles that are lacking in this generation/culture
"When you were young and your heart was an open book, you used to say 'live and let live', you know ya did, ya know ya did, ya know ya did."
So TRUE!!!!
There was a time when I was a Christian. When I served in the Army, I remember attending a Prayer Breakfast, and not really knowing of its origins at the time. But as time went on, I became more and more wary of religion in general, and soon quit going to church and eventually becoming an Atheist. I think it was because of the company I was keeping at the time I was a Christian, but because I started to pay attention, I saw it for what it was, or really, saw people who were utilizing religion to suit their agenda, which did not look like what a true Christian should be, like my late husband. He was a true Christian because he did not boast, was prideful, or blatantly exclaim his religious beliefs. He also leaned liberal, but he never voted in his life. To me, he was a true definition of a Christian; truly remarkable since he chose to stay with me despite me being an Atheist, and he never judged me because of it and vice-versa.
I believe in My Great Creator. And all the Beauty we have around us, I don't trust people who want to control others and Use The Holy Bible for their own Greed.
I'm sorry for your loss. He sounds like a great guy. ❤
You had sin in your life, you still have sin in your life, and you are trying to hide from God. Your time will be up soon.
@@christopherlees1134, as will yours, fortunately 😆
@@christopherlees1134 that is this new fake christianity we see in america. You make people fear God. You make God a fearmongering deity that is ready to hit you with a stick
You never teach the compassion and grace of God or Jesus
And to separate this makes you false and even if you guys win, it actually means very little. The Bible says clearly what is going to happen and you are actually the country that starts it all
My God is compassionate and loving and kind and graceful and loves me for infinity. He wants it for everyone, and we will continue to fight for unsaved people, but NOT through guns, trump, or any political BS.
This christianity is fake and the God you are peddling is anti-christ. and you dont see it. just remember, when YOUR time is up, you cannot then change your mind. It will be over and the teetch screeching then will be overwhelming
Magataliban 2024.
God help us.
*Please vote them down* _💙🌊_
amen
There are few things that can cause brain rot like a person telling you that god speaks to them and tells them to hate “others.”
You referring to the islamic religion?
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It’s not exclusive to any one religion, it’s all religions that have these false profits in them.
@@suzannederusha1370 So, my religion tells me to not to poison the neighbor dog who barks way to much. You would be ok if I had no religion and killed the dog. I would be justified?
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Get real, that’s not at all the topic here.
Religion has been used to commit horrific acts against others for centuries.
Evil people hide behind it because they can.
It's not just evangelicals, it's also conservative Catholics that are attracted to Christian Nationalism.
Those are just 2 branches of the same tree. If you want to get technical, Christianity and Islam are just altered forms of Jewish beliefs. Personally I find it hilarious that those three groups have so many issues with each other. When they are the closest to each others thought processes. You'd think that since they are so similar that they would get along well lol.
@@reaperbsc You don't know any of the three if you really believe their thought process are so similar. Only Judaism, for example, has "building a fence around the Law"
Christian sects have been slaughtering each other since before the Reformation. @@reaperbsc
Yep. My family has several in the cult. I left Catholicism years ago when I realized how much control and manipulation was involved in the teaching... for centuries. Several family members are all on board over one issue: abortion.
Every American Pre 1965 would have been considered a Christian Nationalist by today's standard 😂
There are people in Canada preaching the gospel of Trump, and hate against the liberals in churches. There are conservative leaders in Canada following Trump's example. More recently, Tucker Carlson held Rallies in Canada. So, if you think this is localized, it isn't.
Tucker is interviewing Putin in Russia right now! That should say something!
@@annettezaleski m.ua-cam.com/video/fNqeEidfvSU/v-deo.html
Fellow Canadian here.......yes, it's a HUGE problem and it affects more than just the people living in the States. This is something the entire free world needs to fight against.
*"You can't love your country if you hate half the people in it!"* -Steve Schmidt _💯_
#BidenHarris *Please Vote them out America!* _💙🌊_
That's a bizarre statement from someone who hates half the people in it. And even worse is the extreme misrepresenting of who you see as the opposition. We didn't come from hate we became a response to your hate that we'd dare to disagree with you. You all are completely dishonest and or delusional if you don't see the role your radical left has played in the division.
Vote out the infidels!! You know, Biden and his atheist cabinet!! They have caused more problems for America than any other administration. We are being destroyed as a nation, and as a people!
They got rid of the cross because they don't want to be reminded of sacrifice and mercy. I.eJesus(which they consider weakness)
They are antichrists.
A cross turned upside down is a sword, and a cross is an unfolded cube. A cross symbolizes "Spirit unfolded on the plane of matter" representing the implicate and explicate order of existence. In order for movement (life) to occur, a sacrifice must be made, thus Eheieh asher Eheieh ("I am that which I am becoming" or "I am that I am").
See also: Corpus Hypercubus, Bohm's Implicate Order
I attend a liberal nondenominational church in Michigan where a large proportion of members are actively involved in community work for minorities, LGBTQ, homeless, and refugee/immigrants. We are from many different denominations (or none), professional and blue collar. The acceptance and spiritual respect we have for each other is so refreshing-I can’t imagine attending anywhere else. It saddens me to hear about these “militia churches.”
There needs to b a wealth tax to include all mega churches then the US could solve many problems that this society created
I went to Rev. Jim Jones' People's Temple in Ukiah, CA a few times when I was like 19. Talk about charismatic!! I could listen to him for hours, but he never spoke against anything, that I can recall. People brought food, and there was horseback riding. It was awesome. Luckily I never felt the need to join anything. He also taught Civics at the high school. Brilliant man. So sad to see later what happened in Jonestown but glad I never went along.
Perfect testimonial about how people can be lured by a charismatic psychopath. And how millions are currently held in sway to a malignant narcissist with authoritarian impulses. Trump = Jim Jones.
Look at how many drank the J6 Kool Aid.
Not an expert by any means but I believe it is true that Jim Jones started out with very noble, altruistic intentions that mutated along the way . Not what is happening here -these people have always been about justifying their thirst for power.
since you would either have been a Suicide, or a murderer, in the end.
Problem is, the Civil War did not end. The troops were sent home. Reconstruction was abandoned. Sentiments remained as they were. Black Codes were introduced, and Chain Gangs, and high rates of Black incarceration by white juries, to make sure the former slaves 'knew their place' and knew the regime had not even faltered. And today the Confederacy is back, heavily armed, heavily infused with a desire for vengeance, ready to bring down everything the northerners stood for, which includes Enlightenment values, those values that were against slavery and white supremacy. To the South, the Civil War is still the War Of Northern Aggression. But now they think they can win it.
Things actually have changed however. Today you have mass media which can expose the CN fanatics so as to turn public opinion against them very quickly. As to "heavily armed" = Pfft! Hunting rifles do not fare well against armored vehicles and indirect fire weapons.
Moral of the story: any of these LARPing "militias" insane enough to try to start anything would quickly become cannon fodder. Their neighbors would turn against them and government forces would overrun them.
p.s. - they live under the deluded illusion that a minority of the country during the American Revolution actually fought to succeed. That is _faux_ history however. The Continental Army had the support of most of the nation while they had a large amount of assistance from others. About half the troops and all of the navy at Yorktown as an example = were French.....
That was the result of the Compromise of 1876, another Presidential sElection with very bad results.
I don't think Jesus approves of fomenting hate and greed! Matthew 25? You saw that I was hungry and you cut my pay. You saw that I was thirsty and you allowed Monsanto/Bayer to poison my water. You saw that I was in prison and you waterboarded me!" That sounds more like today's reality.
This US movement has got NOTHING to do with God or Jesus. How they don't see it shows you how a man's prejudice blinds can blind himself
No pun intended but God help Someone tell me how this fanaticism is different than National Socialism in Nazi Germany.
There are a lot of similarities - do not forget that was embraced out of desperation and National socialism borrowed the utility of fascism to garner broader appeal -" at least they made the trains run on time ". Fascism is simply applying criminality to the institution of government . So you can see how they all kind of coalesce.
No different. The same! That's the problem. We haven't learnt from history. The whole Trump / Steven Bannon platform, MAGA is really, "Make America White Again".
absolutely!
Jeff Sharlet is an astounding mind. I will read a book or two of his. Great and timely interview.
If I were a Trump supporter for evangelical reasons, I’d sure want to hear him talking more about Christ, the Bible and maybe even holding the Bible upright now and then.
Ain't gonna happen. That last time he attempted to hold a bible burned his evil fingers too much, so never again.
What for Brandon? Do you think with Trump quoting from the Bible that this will appease God, who he has greatly offended? Trump is heralded as the Messiah. It is so blasphemous. God might strike him down with lightning and his hair turn to cinder. The Evangelicals are using Trump, Trump is using them. A bad case of fornication without any protection. They might both get a venereal disease.
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Trump is just the proof that their whole version of the Christian religion is a farce.
Religion is based ... mainly upon fear ... fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.
Bertrand Russell
I couldn't agree more, but can you streamline that to a few sentences or a very short paragraph for a comments section? Again, I'm with you completely.
@@5150cappie It's a quote so I can't streamline it and still attribute it to Bertrand Russell.
But you can be saved......just send money, because you know,God is broke.
truth
@debc....I have to disagree...faith in God is not moving towards fear but rather away from fear..I used to fear everything and everyone..since I have committed my life to living as Jesus taught in the new testament, I have been blessed by having laid to rest my fears and living my faith without fear...i am still struggling with NOT hating tRump for all the hate that he has spread throughout the country and in so many families..
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The old churches, Catholics, Orthodox's, Anglicans must condemn these false teachers.
As I have said from the get go, political party and not a religion, so maybe these “churches” should be removed from any sense of being a religion and pay taxes.
Evangelical Inquisition is what we are experiencing
Explain. Do you mean evangelicals are the target of the inquisition, or are you saying that evangelicals are the inquisitors?
@@johnroman6098 That is part of the plan. No-one expects the Evangelical Inquisition.
I have a playlist about Christian Nationalism. please feel free to check it and share it.
MAGA lions, Chinese tigers, and Russian bears, oh my! 😢
But that's how Trump wants it.
He sees the dictators of world as strong men. He's a narcissist so he thinks he is a strong man too.
So, the greatest achievement for him will to be to become America's strong man - dictator.
All of which ties in with the christo - fascist agenda.
You left out Hamas and Iran! I suggest adding "Iranian snakes and Hamas hagfish!
Yes Dorthy, we are not in Kansas any more.
Donnie Sr doesn’t remind of that wizard behind the curtain…
Tissue lions, cardboard tigers, gauze bears. They are weakness incarnate.
I'm a Christian-- Episcopalian, a comparatively liberal slice of the Church.
I'm very grateful for that, too, since it means that I'm fully allowed to make my own adult decisions about much of life-- including politics.
Christian nationalism is a myth, theologically unjustified and completely unsound, a movement based in power lust and in no way imitative of Christ himself, or the canon, or the history of the Church, or in any logic either.
The Christian Church exists apart from secular concerns insofar as they involve power in the world, rather being a matter of serving human beings in charity and helpfulness-- leaving the arguments for control to the secular powers that be.
The New Testament is unambiguous about the role of believing people in the larger world.
We are directed to love, to serve, and to exemplify Christ in the world, which is, and always will be, a foreign place and something largely opposed to the Christian faith, practically and philosophically-- for obvious reasons: Christ gave away power, refused to fight or become violent in seeking power, saw power as in fact belonging to God and no one else, and sacrificed himself, in spite of fully possessing the power to destroy his enemies, while in the world, the ferocious collecting of power and wealth and influence means that the last thing anyone will be willing to do is to give power away! Exactly the opposite.
Therefore, there is no denying that there is absolutely no resemblance between Jesus Christ and the character of Christian nationalism we're discussing here. It simply doesn't exist.
Christian nationalism is the contemptuous highjacking of a beautiful faith by sadistic extremists who confuse toxic masculinity with religious enthusiasm.
If they really did intend to imitate Christ, which is in fact the first goal of any professed Christian, they never would have come anywhere near the catastrophic miasma we're witnessing today in conservative evangelical Christianity in America.
They use Christ, as legitimacy, and as religious certification, and as an all-powerful reference point, all the while defying each instruction he has given them. In other words, while the faith directs us to be "used of God", these people are using God.
That's rather dangerous, aside of being shockingly stupid and completely disrespectful to God himself.
Cap it as Melania says I just don't csre.
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Catholic here. The Old Testament is not a part of our liturgy (since the late 40s).
I agree. You did a great job. Thank you.
Not a believer in Christianity, but I agree with you. They don't act like Jesus. They act like the moneychangers in the temple.
First stop calling it Christian please, it’s not, not even close.
It's domininism.
@@auntymarushkafah that’s true which also isn’t Christian
@@lechatbotte. It's more like a political party. In fact, it's EXACTLY like a political party.
ooo!...y'don't like it when your stoopit godcult car gets linked to the start-a-war train, do you?!
@@lechatbotte.and keep your church bunk out of politics if you want to keep it a tax-free entity, christian!...bah!...nobody needs religion's ineffectual maxims about unchecked greed when the society has laws against it...and, so, nobody will need your foolish christianity...or you foolish christians either!...hasten the damned day!
History teaches us humans that read, Religious nutcases is usually what END Nations, specially when Faith is applied forcefully, just read why Jesus was crucified and who were the ones that turned on him.
Religious nutcases usually end nations? Just give me your top 10 examples of religious NUTCASES that ENDED nations.
James Madison recognized that tax breaks for religions was "an establishment," thus prohibited by law. A religion is "established," the Founders said, when it is the subject of public policy, e.g., a bill giving it a tax break.
Source? I refuse to believe the IRS has been given a "free pass" to Contradict Madison so boldly.
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I remember in the 50”s singing in church “Onward Christian Soldiers” … marching as to war … with the cross of Jesus going on before.
I’m glad my folks wouldn’t sing that hymn.
Even as a child I had problems with this. In fact I had a heated argument in Sunday morning bible class and was expelled.
Instead I was obliged to read the bible alone for a year. 😱😱😱 I'm a life long atheist.
😂 Reading it Yourself has that effect on people.
made sense in 1683...
Religious freedom, according to the CN, is that your freedom is not allowed, only their freedom.
trump is charismatic only to those who are looking for a ruler.
Trump was only president for 4 years, if he was a ruler he would still be president....
They should pay tax
The KuKluxKlan “Christians”
I haven't thought of tRump to have charisma in the same vein as Jimmy swaggart, but that checks a box for those that want to be told what to think. It explains a lot.
God says you can not whorship 2 idols God or trump you cant have both
Says you.
And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets
Are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls
And whispered in the sounds of silence
Who else misses kindness, compassion, tolerance, and love? I miss real Christianity.
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Devout evangelicals CLAIM to really believe in a literal Judgment Day & a Hell.
How's it likely to play out when their God demands an explanation as to why they chose Trump over Jesus ?
This scripture should make MAGA Christians a bit nervous , imo.
Although you’re keeping a safe distance from the comparison but how the Israelis are ethnically cleansing Gaza is probably looking like a good prototype for what what white Christians would like! You’ll say there re Ethiopian Jews in Israel but they’re treated badly too.
They attacked and then got reprisal.
If anyone can prove to me that god exists, I will stop being an atheist. Religion is a mythology that keeps people from thinking.
There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. There are 2.3 billion Christians. I am starter than 3.9 billion people. Should I be happy?
It actually compels you to think, IF you read your bible!!
DNA CODE MEANS THERE IS A CODER.
It is obvious that God exists, so there is no need to "prove" it. Just like I can say, "If anyone can prove that other consciousnesses exist, then I'll believe it." God's existence does not require your meaningless little concession. You will meet God one day and be judged.
Children believe in the tooth fairy. Does the tooth fairy exist?
"Muscular Christianity" is the founding philosophy of the YMCA.
As they said - there is a real homo -erotica element to this - it is seriously so strange and creepy
😂 Body building to take over the country?
@@Bluetangg basically, yah. health in body + mind -> health in spirit I think was their idea.
The YMCA was a big hang out and pick up place for Gay Men. It was a bath house with a cross on the wall. I saw a documentary here on UA-cam about it. Remember the Village People? I loved them growing up.
I was thinking the same thing, well the jokes on them: young man, come to stay at the Y M C A. It's fun to stay at the Y M C A 😉
Tax churches!
Was it Gilda Radner on Laugh-In that used to quip about going to The Church of What's Happening Now? It was funny back then. Now it seems like that was probably closer to a real church than what we see in some churches now.
Or maybe Flip Wilson...? I think?
@@gabriellen.2886 I'd forgotten Flip! How could I forget Flip Wilson?
@@urkiddingme6254 You jes' old! (LMAO so am I!!!) 🤣🤣
@@gabriellen.2886 Yup! Mostly glad to be old. The added perspective helps.
@@urkiddingme6254 Yes it does. I'm glad, too; seen a lot - and at least we have fun times to look back on.😘
Please make a short of Jeff’s last spiel. The part where he breaks down the evolution of $RUMP$ campaigns 16-24. He really stripped it down to bare understanding.
Thanks for a great eye-opening show. What bugs me most about these groups is when they forget that Jesus taught in parables -- metaphors. He's not talking about a real steel sword -- read the whole passage
What an excellent show. Thank you both.
What bothers me is that Jesus would not approve of this movement. Pray for our enemies, love thy neighbor etc...is not what these Evangelical people are preaching. It's their way or highway. Trump uses religion as a club. His foul language, especially in front of children is not exactly Christian.
Mike Johnson may know the Bible but does he apply it or twist it to suit his own agenda?
You can memorize a thing and still not understand what you read and what it represents. So the capacity to quote passages from the Bible does not always correlate to representing what you parrot. It reveals a capacity for memorization = not understanding. Those represent completely different outcomes.
Sadly,but he was right. A pastor in my past once said, you can memorize the whole King James Bible and still wind up in hell.
I must have missed a lot in the past 50 plus years because I’ve never been to a church that had any of these issues but to me it’s like one flew over the kookoos nest. I was wondering how Americans have gone of the deep end. Are there churches actually doing this crap? That’s sad!
what church do you attend, I want to look into it!
look up the documentary Bad Faith. it's about this very thing.
All but one I've attended in my 40-odd years of life were Moral Majority/Christo-fascists. In multiple states. And the "Northern California church" is the monstrous group of assholes called Bethel. 😡
Ever notice how god always conveniently agrees with everything that a religionist wants?
Interesting take, what do you think the number one tenent of religion is?
There's a church out here in San Diego County called 'Awaken' established in 2005 who's founders came in from New Zealand via Australia. They have a men's group who gathers periodically and conduct war games armed with guns, so they can be prepared to fight any encroachment on their freedoms from the government. Women are not allowed to particpate during these meetups.
Yikes
Denise, I'm close to you (San Marcos, Ca). I know Awaken church. Scary! 😢
My parents were further radicalized there. Awaken is a straight bullshit. Their persecution fetish as usual is misplaced. Usual "conservative Christian" lack of self-reflection. So, so tired of them.
For us in Europe, we are at loss to understand why Americans are so religious. We are largely atheist in Europe, where religion plays no part in politics and is a personal matter that you wouldn't bother other people with.
All religions are not based on fact or evidence, they are belief movements of faith. They all eventually fade away and will be forgotten about. Nearly 3000 years of deep held beliefs by Egyptians are now just an historic curiosity. We dont worship Ra anymore, or Zeus or Odin. This will be the fate of Islam, Christianity and all the current world faiths, given a long enough period of time. God does not exist and never will do. There's only us in nature.
Wonder if you Europeans did not care if the the Americans coming to save your butts were religious or not!
Oh jesus - don't try to help you will get them going bananas on Marxism - . Yes you are at a loss to understand - save yourself the time and trouble. You will only attempt to make sense out of something that makes no sense . These are deeply troubled people that attempt to keep it together by wearing some type of cloak of self-righteousness . It is hideously unattractive .
I think it's because the US was founded partly based on "religious freedom". Even 200 years ago, people were looking for a place where they could be crazy together with other crazies
I trust y'all so much thank you for all your hard work on trying to get rid of the orange devil
The picture of Jesus that I grew up with was based on a commissioned painting from one of the earlier popes. The artist's model was one of the pope's illegitimate sons, a European. Most would find this a very difficult concept if you suggest that they disregard this representation!
Ancient history!
As a Messianic-jewish believer, some nationalists are taking the Armour of G od as an offensive weapon when it's actually defensive. The only offensive weapon is the sword, which is the Word of G od.
Lets just twist things for the power and money of the flock! I became an atheist about 40 years ago because a minister was putting ideas into my children's head that was not even common sense and the same minister, which was the final straw for me, was having marital issues and was......I'll say was being done in a strange way as we were leaving the church. He began just going off about how his wife wasn't doing things as he felt she should at home and in the bedroom which was weird as hell to be honest. I was brought up in Lutheran and Presbyterian churches and went to a parochial catholic school during my elementary years. So pretty much my point of view is that its all a power/money engine using something unproven that was written a couple thousand years ago! When this "religion" stuff is used to go against others in their beliefs whether religion, race, gender or actual science facts is used to step on others, sounds like a power struggle to me!
I love being a Catholic! There are some outstanding benefits from going to Church.
Old Testament scripture, within the Holy Bible, repeats that because men were driven by their own desires(self centeredness) God turned them over to the consequences of their own actions.
Passing laws does not produce christian character. It comes when you live by faith.
All religions promote irrational thought. All religions promote distrust of out-groups. All religions promote unreasoning emotional attachment. They have no place in a world of 8.4B.
That is not true of all religions. It is true of many of their adherents.
I disagree, profoundly. Name a religion that is not based on supernatural beings and processes. You can’t. Thus they are all irrational. All of them claim special status for adherents. Thus, all are about in groups and outgroups. @@urkiddingme6254
Disagree, and profoundly so. I stand by the impnitial statements.@@urkiddingme6254
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I disagree with you, profoundly so. Just look at the three statements, and then point out a religion that is not irrational, exclusionary, ecstatic. @@urkiddingme6254
It’s long past the time to make the god squad accountable for their hateful ideologies! Why should the world suffer for these bigots?
you must be speaking about the islamic religion, are you?
Bigotry doesn't exist, and if you don't approve of and celebrate Christianity, then you are the hateful one and something should be done about you.
As an atheist Canadian watching this, it was an eye opener. Can't wait to watch the rest. Please remember I am the mouse beside the elephant and the mouse has most of the world's fresh water. What do you think a dictatorship would do to us?
If you protest the government they might lock your bank account
The smaller and more marginalized a group becomes, the louder and more aggressive their remaining followers become. In the US the status quo of White evangelical Christians is now pretty much a marginal group and they will get more and more aggressive as they go down.
I was raised as Presbyterian,... I walked away when I reached 15 years old .... I've had a gut-full of fire and brimstone bellowed at me from a pulpit,... I don 't need any more.
Oh, poor you. You're so brave. Made your lifelong decision about God at 15 lol. You will die in your sins before you are ready and you will be judged.
Religion is a weapon that we permit ourselves to use on those we love.
All this frightens me. These extremists have replaced God with their distorted version. Praying for the devil to come to bring the 2nd comming is still praying for the devil. These new moments that they talk about will only devalue religion. Many are replacing the values of Christ with the values of the anticrist.
Yes. They are neither Christians nor Nationalists really. They are as you alluded to attempting to facilitate what is really "groupthink" towards an extreme and cult-like fringe outcome. They are using "religion" for what is really = their own end..........
Very interesting and enlightening discussion guys, hard to believe what's going on in rural America these days and that those who aspire to violence are getting the religious permission they're looking for, to justify their angry cravings ☘️
Hello from your vassal state to the north. Please stop freaking us out. Thanks.
This is healthy! America should be afraid. Otherwise change ain't gonna happen. Trump out; Biden in for the sake of democracy.
Trudeau should be freaking you out.
Take away their taxfree status and they will fold like a house of cards.
Sharlet's book "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power" freaked me out in the pre-Trump era. Good writing, chilling subject matter.
The fact that so many of these pastors are multimillionaires is a sign that this is wrong.
Satan is like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.Jesus does bring a sword but it is the sword of truth.
Re Matthew 10: 34-36 -- Jesus is saying that his word will divide people. There will be those that accept his teaching, and those who will hate it. He warns his disciples many times that those who hate him will also hate them. But Jesus is definitely NOT advocating violence. That would be antithetical to all of his other teachings, and his example.
You pretend to yourself that there is an internally consistent ethical system in Paul, Gospels, Acts. There isn’t: it is folk literature, not an ethical codex.
Even if it were an ethical system, you would need these evangelicals to know about it. They don’t. They know two verses: Luke 22:36, Matt 10:34-36.
@@oldpossum57 *You left out John 3:16, which they'll yell at nonbelievers til they're blue in the face. But made a stand-alone, catch-all verse like almost everything else they love to spout.
CHURCHES should be taxed the same as any Company
You're talking about the 'Church Militant'
Prosperity gospel is the flip side of victim blaming.
The verse about "I have come with a sword" is actually talking about him creating division among people over his teaching compared to the religion of the times. The other is a bad and ugly LITERAL translation. Read the entire context of what Jesus is saying.
Does not matter. White Evangelicals own 15% more guns than non-evangelicals. Both presenters told you that evangelicals don’t read the bible: they just have the stamp of Jesus. (Pew Research has said this for decades!) They know a verse or two. Luke 22:36, Matt 10:34-36. They don’t need a DD from Oxbridge.
that is the case with any type of knowledge it can be used for good or evil - mischaracterization out of context is very simple way to do that . done all the time.
Not all texts. The speed of light is 299,792,458 metres per second . Rarely can human knowledge approach the unambiguity of the hard sciences. Yet the standard of certainty produced by hard science is a limit that other domains should keep in mind. Religious texts are so ambiguous that they are empirically meaningless. @@pjpredhomme7699
The Apostles were not political and they knew this world was not their true land. They were hoping for and expecting an everlasting Kingdom. Worldly affairs they knew not of!!
Jolly good for them. Sadly for us, this particular brand of nonsense was well packaged, caught on, and due to the ignorance and self-indulgence of Americans in particular, the Western world is still cursed by it. Can we move on past magical thinking, please? Your resurrection didn’t happen.@@andrewortiz5797
OF COURSE, we're going to see grifters taking advantage of the churches "no taxation" deal they got!
More of THIS!!
Regarding a manly church, anyone remember the Power Team who lifted heavy logs and tore phone books for Jesus back in the 80s?
You two need to go on MSNBC and CNN
And Fox
A lot of the stuff coming from the Christian Nationalist is from the Old Judeo Testament where God is portrayed as vindictive , angry , petulant , and so on .. The Gospel of Jesus is totally against this ., it’s one of love and forgiveness . Not recrimination