Really curious to see how these fit into your work flow. It took me a bit but they’re working out nicely now. I found that they’re really best used with a pliers wrench. One type on each end of a bolt works very well, the clamping action of Knipex with the self setting Wera work together great. Great video as always LBT!
I have the Knipex plier wrench in two sizes and would judge those as the more versatile tools. They do 90% of the work that calls for a wrench on my sailboat, and also work as shackle keys
Thanks a lot pal...after watching your video, you cost me almost $200 for a S, M, L, XL set of the Wera Joker wrenches. Lol...looks like a great wrench!
Gee, you answered a lot of questions I had about this new generation of open end wrenches. As most of us know, the open end style of wrench is one of the last choices, because if you can get over the end you can use a faster, stronger ratcheting box end with less risk of rounding corners.
Looks like a wonderful tool. I'm building a motorcycle tool kit and this caught me eye. I have to thank you during your wonderful video I realized I don't have a single hex head on my bike, it's and torx and Allen. So that just simplified my kit greatly.
An XL and XXL 6004 pair very well with a full 11 pcs kit Joker. Complete any need from 8mm (5/16″) to 32mm (1 ¼"). Sometimes I find I still reach for Wera spanner when I need more torque which the Knipex plier wrench lacks under certain grip.
I believe the difference here (and something you forgot to mention) is that by the nature of the mechanism the wrench squeezes the bolt harder the harder you turn it. As opposed to a regular open end wrench which spreads open and cams out if the bolt is too tight
The Wera seems like a great little wrench for a road trip go-bag or a tool roll on a motorcycle, UTV, etc. It would be nice if they sized them such that one covers 8-12mm and another 13-17mm. Regardless, one can carry two of them and cover 7-13mm. Love the Knipex compared to channel lock type pliers for those type applications.
@@martincantwell2557 Isn't the Knipex wrench shown in the video a better option though for a small backpack / off-road kit? Much wider range in a single tool. Seems to me the Wera is more of a replacement for a full set of wrenches in a tool box.
Also people with not that much space! i cant afford to have 2 sets of regular spanners in my little workshop. so i got the wera and the knipex and can do basically everything almost as well as with regular spanners!
Those wrenches with the spring loaded pin, like the craftsman that you showed, work perfectly fine IMHO. That one side isn't really "artificial" and it's not really grabbing it in the same direction that it moves. When it bites, the movable piece is wedged sideways and is strong. When it's meant to slip, it slips in the opposite direction. Never are you relying on the spring to hold the bolt.
Biggest problem with tools espe ially quality expensive ones is myself for example who can't justify buying a tool that isnt going to be used all the time
I’m not sure, but I think that I would be reaching for the Knippex more often. They seam to accomplish close to the same tasks. However, the Knippex has a larger range of size and versatility. Plus, I could squeeze and add a better grab for more torque.
I have a wrench of this style but mist have atleast 100 years on this one. I believe it is to William Moorhouse's 1866 patent. It was part of a machine, and its associated parts that was built around 1893 so I expect it has been with it for the last 129 years. There was a couple of other old types of adjustable wrenches, of a similar vintage, with it in the box.
I have one also. When I was an industrial multicraft instructor I had all kinds of old tools to show the student. This was one. Along with a ratcheting wrench from the 30s
My backpack is my office and toolbox which I haul around the longest fab in the world everyday. A set of xs-xxl Wera Jokers, allens, ratcheting set is a clear winner to me. I even made my company pay for it. HAHA.
Seems to be a lot better than the old Clench Wrench. I don't think I quite have a need for such a tool, but I'm not going to discount them or write them off as a gimmick.
May have to test this wrench against one of my old alligator wrenches. Alligator has no moving parts and I believe it was made for for square head bolts and square nuts but I have used it on hex fasteners .
I am looking for a single wrench that will cover 7/16 to 9/16 in one wrecnh while being light and low profile. the pliers wrench would be the jam but the jaws are too big to fit in many places. and all the 4 in 1 ratcting wrench sets have the split at 9/16 so i need to carry 2 tools and the 9/16 is on the one that goes to 3/4 so its big and heavy.
Would be pretty hand for adjusting Spring tensions on a Combine harvester, got like 2 foot of treaded rod you need to drive a nut sometimes but both ends are closed so can't get a ratchet spanner on there.
Hello again Doc Thank you for another Great Video. Like you I haven't used one of those Wera Joker Wrenches. I'm not sure if I found it to be a practical solution. However, I do like the idea. Again thank you
Would you say you could replace standard wrench set with these ? I'm tiered of luging around tool box's. So I'm trying to reduce collection. I'm a Diy also.
The problem with the Wera wrench is it will undo the nut on the return stroke unless there is a small amount of friction between the nut and bolt which allows it to open…In other words, the nut will just be going backwards and forwards if there is no friction..
There are a handful of them including one smaller than this and then they range to one an inch in span. I just got the one common to my work to try it out.
I have $700 in sockets/wrenches and and by cracky I'm going to use em and not this modified adjustable wrench. How do you justify another wrench when a socket works better?
I don't know a foot-pound or Nm spec, but given the size of the handle is relative to the jaw size which is a function of the steel thickness, I suspect that any force a normal human could generate with their hand on this handle is within tolerance.
I haven't used the joker Keys yet but I find them a bit bulky when looking at them irl. A regular ratchet wrench is much slimmer and neater in design. The Knipex is quite a different tool an more of a plier than a wrench.
My only question is how much torque could you put on that head? I understand that with a wrench that small, a substantial amount of torque wouldn't be suitable, but in a pinch, if a fastener was seized up and you only had that, how much breaking torque could it handle.
Seeing that they also have an XXL version with up to 32mm/1 1/4" I would assume that the mechanism can handle some torque. But it's just an assumption and of course I don't know if the mechanism scales down well.
Always liked these but never made sense for me to buy them. I have to keep a pretty compact toolset as my jobsite changes daily. If I'm not grabbing a properly sized wrench, two Knipex pliers wrenches will cover pretty much any size I'm likely to encounter. It would take at least 5 or these weras to replace those two knipex. And if I'm going to have that many, I might as well just use my speed wrenches/ratcheting wrenches, or a socket. They're definitely really nice tools though, and if I was in a trade where I expected to encounter the same size nuts every day I would highly conisder one.
I agree. If you work on a jobsite then this tool isn't for you. If you work in a garage with room in your tool chest then it might be useful. Still think it just complicates things.
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Oh! I like this. It seems like about 95% of all the metric bolts I encounter are either 10mm or 13mm - mostly 10mm - especially on my bicycle. This will fit all of those. Plus it should work for loosening the Type F connectors on the TV / Internet cable. Those are generally 7/16 inch. This guy is a little pricey, but if I only have to carry this one size in my bike bag, it will be worth it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
thats is a pretty cool concept, I would be terrified of putting too much force on it and rounding a fastener. Obviously does not look like a high-torque tool, but it could have its place.
The correct size of this wrench would be awesome for changing out welding gas cylinders to my rig at work. Thanks for the review, I'll look into one of these.
Really curious to see how these fit into your work flow. It took me a bit but they’re working out nicely now. I found that they’re really best used with a pliers wrench. One type on each end of a bolt works very well, the clamping action of Knipex with the self setting Wera work together great. Great video as always LBT!
Thanks Josef for talking me into my set 😎🛠️😎🛠️😎
I don't get tools like this or a cresent wrench? When do you use these over a regular wrench, ratchet/socket, or impact driver?
7 months on and it's so surreal. I've been buying Wera for years and have been impressed with the quality
The Larc-O-Matic was patented in 1931 and looks damn near identical. I have my grandfather's. Still works great. What once was old, is new again...
Why invent something new with teething troubles when you can build on somebodies work and perfect it!
Came here looking for the wera now think I’m gonna get the knipex!
You and mills construction are the only 2 American channels for tools I regularly follow. 👍
Thanks a lot! I enjoy Last Best Tool a lot too and watch about every video I think 😁
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@@THEGEEK2001 AvE isn't American...
You should also be watching Torque Test Channel.
@@svn5994 Canada isn’t America ?
I have the Knipex plier wrench in two sizes and would judge those as the more versatile tools. They do 90% of the work that calls for a wrench on my sailboat, and also work as shackle keys
Thanks a lot pal...after watching your video, you cost me almost $200 for a S, M, L, XL set of the Wera Joker wrenches. Lol...looks like a great wrench!
Gee, you answered a lot of questions I had about this new generation of open end wrenches. As most of us know, the open end style of wrench is one of the last choices, because if you can get over the end you can use a faster, stronger ratcheting box end with less risk of rounding corners.
I agree. This has a very small contact with the fastener. Must not be useful in any case when you need some torque on it
Looks like a wonderful tool. I'm building a motorcycle tool kit and this caught me eye. I have to thank you during your wonderful video I realized I don't have a single hex head on my bike, it's and torx and Allen. So that just simplified my kit greatly.
These gotta be a dream replacement for a line wrench set.
Just got my 6004S and am liking it so far! I might just get the entire set. The fit and finish is just like every German made tool I own….awesome!
An XL and XXL 6004 pair very well with a full 11 pcs kit Joker. Complete any need from 8mm (5/16″) to 32mm (1 ¼").
Sometimes I find I still reach for Wera spanner when I need more torque which the Knipex plier wrench lacks under certain grip.
No kidding??? First thing I thought was I got knipex, and I bet that thing won't take any torque......
Unless it a grade 8 or up, the knipex can deform nut heads not round them. They amp your grip by 10x.
Excellent demonstration on why Knipex is superior 👍 You convinced me 🙂
I've also got something similar called a Cochran Speednut wrench that was patented in 1916. It does take a little getting used to.
that is a really impressive redesign
I'm a fan of the knipex wrench pliers
They are much more useful than just for turning screws.
I believe the difference here (and something you forgot to mention) is that by the nature of the mechanism the wrench squeezes the bolt harder the harder you turn it. As opposed to a regular open end wrench which spreads open and cams out if the bolt is too tight
Any tool made in Germany is amazing! I love Wera but nothing is better than my Wiha tools!
The Wera seems like a great little wrench for a road trip go-bag or a tool roll on a motorcycle, UTV, etc. It would be nice if they sized them such that one covers 8-12mm and another 13-17mm. Regardless, one can carry two of them and cover 7-13mm. Love the Knipex compared to channel lock type pliers for those type applications.
Literally just thinking that, perfect for a off-road with a small backpack.
@@martincantwell2557 Isn't the Knipex wrench shown in the video a better option though for a small backpack / off-road kit? Much wider range in a single tool. Seems to me the Wera is more of a replacement for a full set of wrenches in a tool box.
Also people with not that much space! i cant afford to have 2 sets of regular spanners in my little workshop. so i got the wera and the knipex and can do basically everything almost as well as with regular spanners!
This style of wrench has been around for a very long time i have Bolte & Anschutz one.
Knipex cobra and plier wrench is my daily tools
All this knick knacks are cool at sight but nothing ever beats to have an actual set of wrenchs at hand
The adjustable nut rounder!
Wow man congrats on the viral video always awesome content!!!
What we need is Self-Tightening Thin wall Sockets. Thank for the video. Those German Tool Companies never phone it in.
I like how u slide up it the bolt for a moment while switching directions but you did re-adjust the send pull
Staggeringly expensive for such a limited size range!
Those wrenches with the spring loaded pin, like the craftsman that you showed, work perfectly fine IMHO. That one side isn't really "artificial" and it's not really grabbing it in the same direction that it moves. When it bites, the movable piece is wedged sideways and is strong. When it's meant to slip, it slips in the opposite direction. Never are you relying on the spring to hold the bolt.
That joker wrench looks super, wish I had them before I retired…..
Looks fantastic, though best kept for certain awkward jobs rather than a replacement for normal spanners
Biggest problem with tools espe ially quality expensive ones is myself for example who can't justify buying a tool that isnt going to be used all the time
I’ve been looking at getting one of these since they came out, and now that I see your take on it I’m sure I’ll pick one up! 👍
Josef @Millis Construction talked me into them, I've be quite pleased with how they work with the rest of my set up 😎🛠️😎🛠️😎
I’m not sure, but I think that I would be reaching for the Knippex more often. They seam to accomplish close to the same tasks. However, the Knippex has a larger range of size and versatility. Plus, I could squeeze and add a better grab for more torque.
I have a wrench of this style but mist have atleast 100 years on this one. I believe it is to William Moorhouse's 1866 patent. It was part of a machine, and its associated parts that was built around 1893 so I expect it has been with it for the last 129 years. There was a couple of other old types of adjustable wrenches, of a similar vintage, with it in the box.
I have one also. When I was an industrial multicraft instructor I had all kinds of old tools to show the student. This was one. Along with a ratcheting wrench from the 30s
My backpack is my office and toolbox which I haul around the longest fab in the world everyday. A set of xs-xxl Wera Jokers, allens, ratcheting set is a clear winner to me. I even made my company pay for it. HAHA.
I have been wondering about this for so long! Please do a follow up review ASAP 👍
This would be great for a motorcycle tool kit.
I’ve seen those, but haven’t seen anyone actually show them off. It’s pretty neat little wrench.
Great concept, nice video, very informative, thank you.
Looks like it’d be perfect for reaching underneath fixtures for the 3/8 water supply on top of angle stops. Wonder if it’ll fit
Give me an example of when you would choose a tool like this over a normal wrench, ratchet, or impact gun?
I can't wait for my order to come
I like that Knipex wrench
Seems to be a lot better than the old Clench Wrench.
I don't think I quite have a need for such a tool, but I'm not going to discount them or write them off as a gimmick.
They look fine to use providing you haven't got restricted access to a bolt or nut
These would be nice to have in about four sizes, for the small toolbox.
i love these German tools.
Wera makes some nice stuff, still have my torsion bit set from 1997
Bosch has had a “Crescent” wrench that has a similar setup as the Wira
May have to test this wrench against one of my old alligator wrenches. Alligator has no moving parts and I believe it was made for for square head bolts and square nuts but I have used it on hex fasteners .
My Knipex, Wera and Wiha tools are all wonderful! They're the ones I reach for, dig around for, or buy when a job needs to be done.
Coward!
Just a really awesome DIY'er
I don't see how/when/if I would ever use this?
Can you get a metric version?
I am looking for a single wrench that will cover 7/16 to 9/16 in one wrecnh while being light and low profile. the pliers wrench would be the jam but the jaws are too big to fit in many places. and all the 4 in 1 ratcting wrench sets have the split at 9/16 so i need to carry 2 tools and the 9/16 is on the one that goes to 3/4 so its big and heavy.
I wonder if a flex head alligator work ok . Never saw one but might be a unique tool to have . Might have have to make one .
Damn, that sure would be easier to carry than my current two rolls of wrenches, one in SAE, one in Metric.
I bet these don't handle as much torque
It's a cute micky mouse tool no professional will ever use.
But if you doing stuff around the house by yourself you gotta have it.
What a cool design...
They work on 02 sensors... That you can't get on them with the shallow 02 sensor sockets...I used a cheater bar. It still worked fine....
Would be pretty hand for adjusting Spring tensions on a Combine harvester, got like 2 foot of treaded rod you need to drive a nut sometimes but both ends are closed so can't get a ratchet spanner on there.
Gotta figure out how to repair it once the spring goes bad.
Came here to see the joker, and left here thinking about that knipex.
What would you recommend as a similar tool to use but cheaper?
Ave tested these a while ago. If I remember correctly they didn’t test well
Hello again Doc
Thank you for another Great Video. Like you I haven't used one of those Wera Joker Wrenches. I'm not sure if I found it to be a practical solution. However, I do like the idea. Again thank you
Would you say you could replace standard wrench set with these ? I'm tiered of luging around tool box's. So I'm trying to reduce collection. I'm a Diy also.
That's a tough question. The do 80% of everything just fine like a regular wrench, but that 20% might come back to bite you.
I have these really old ones same design that close all the way, and open up to like 2 inches
The problem with the Wera wrench is it will undo the nut on the return stroke unless there is a small amount of friction between the nut and bolt which allows it to open…In other words, the nut will just be going backwards and forwards if there is no friction..
In my experience, at that level of friction you are not done tightening it by hand, which is usually the first step anyway
Nice tools ,dream tools ❤
never heard of a self setting ranch before.
I have a crescent from the 80’s it had teeth more like slip joints.
Also own a 7” knipex $50 worth the money so far
Check out the Armstrong 26-559(the 1/2"x7/16") I don't know the part number for the metric version, if they made it. same concept but no moving parts.
Wonder why knipex made a scissors, a snips works fine
I wonder why this cramming type wrench only comes in a small size?
There are a handful of them including one smaller than this and then they range to one an inch in span. I just got the one common to my work to try it out.
I heard that the company called BAHCO, from Germany, invented the common crescent wrench. Is this true?
No BACHCO was originally a swedish company.
Tested the 16-19mm wera joker today, at 75nm torque it did less damage to a nut than the bahco open ended spanner 😂
This style of wrench has been out for a very long time,STANLEY makes them too. But this one looks to be more efficient
I have $700 in sockets/wrenches and and by cracky I'm going to use em and not this modified adjustable wrench. How do you justify another wrench when a socket works better?
It has a very limited adjustment range, and is bigger that a normal ratcheting wrench, so it doesn't make sense if you have Knipex pliers.
What's the nut busting capacity of these ? Can you apply a decent amount of torque to it ?
I don't know a foot-pound or Nm spec, but given the size of the handle is relative to the jaw size which is a function of the steel thickness, I suspect that any force a normal human could generate with their hand on this handle is within tolerance.
I haven't used the joker Keys yet but I find them a bit bulky when looking at them irl. A regular ratchet wrench is much slimmer and neater in design. The Knipex is quite a different tool an more of a plier than a wrench.
Interesting wrench!
Plier wrwnch is winner i think
My only question is how much torque could you put on that head? I understand that with a wrench that small, a substantial amount of torque wouldn't be suitable, but in a pinch, if a fastener was seized up and you only had that, how much breaking torque could it handle.
Seeing that they also have an XXL version with up to 32mm/1 1/4" I would assume that the mechanism can handle some torque.
But it's just an assumption and of course I don't know if the mechanism scales down well.
The handle is short so the torque "might" not be enough to sheer off the inner cam.
Always liked these but never made sense for me to buy them. I have to keep a pretty compact toolset as my jobsite changes daily. If I'm not grabbing a properly sized wrench, two Knipex pliers wrenches will cover pretty much any size I'm likely to encounter. It would take at least 5 or these weras to replace those two knipex. And if I'm going to have that many, I might as well just use my speed wrenches/ratcheting wrenches, or a socket.
They're definitely really nice tools though, and if I was in a trade where I expected to encounter the same size nuts every day I would highly conisder one.
I agree. If you work on a jobsite then this tool isn't for you. If you work in a garage with room in your tool chest then it might be useful. Still think it just complicates things.
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the K is silent in knipex
Oh! I like this.
It seems like about 95% of all the metric bolts I encounter are either 10mm or 13mm - mostly 10mm - especially on my bicycle. This will fit all of those.
Plus it should work for loosening the Type F connectors on the TV / Internet cable. Those are generally 7/16 inch.
This guy is a little pricey, but if I only have to carry this one size in my bike bag, it will be worth it.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
I have a few , I’m still on the fence about them . I like the small and medium ones , the big ones , not so much .
thats is a pretty cool concept, I would be terrified of putting too much force on it and rounding a fastener. Obviously does not look like a high-torque tool, but it could have its place.
Are those fancy wrenches any good when faced with tight/rounded/stuck/rusty bolts ?
Nope.
@@loktom4068 thanks for your answer. The lack of any real-world review looked very suspicious.
Interesting tool, I might have to get one, I like your reviews, honest and matter of fact.... But please.... Knipex has a silent K, just "nipex"
Wrong. Its a German Brand and in german its pronounced Knipex. Its a "Scharfes K" sharp K.
The k is not silent. Knipex has an official YT channel, you can check there.
The correct size of this wrench would be awesome for changing out welding gas cylinders to my rig at work.
Thanks for the review, I'll look into one of these.
Do you have a link to your tool roll? It looks like all the slots are approx. the same size.
It is only 10mm to 13mm .. not many applications.
Did I hear you pronounce the K in knipex there? 😢
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i might just grab these
PRICE PLEASE?
Looks like this would be good for brake lines
Worried it was pretty heavy? U plan on hiking the Tetons or the Rocky Mountains with it