Change of Heart is seeing more play in side decks lately, so we'll give Thoralf a bonus point for his foresight! Check out an example deck list here: - bit.ly/4b1pGUB
Staple Stinker is kind silly all these cards are good or have seen play it would be better to ask MTG players to talk to Yu-Gi-Oh! players just to take about the game the current meta and talk about why they like it or don't about the game and what the similarities and differences between the games. This format of video not only doesn't make sense but also misses the point of tech cards and edge cases where it's correct to play them but that kind of nuance is impossible when you produce this kind of drivel content get better please huge platform disappointed.
Change of Heart - "Stinker! It was a staple card for a very long time and even banned, but not anymore." Knightmare Phoenix - "Staple! It was a staple card for a very long time, just not anymore."
I honestly wouldnt have known what to call em in this series … They both seem very much in between, as phoenix is seeing much less play since sp and change of heart is niche side deck
Funny thing is that Change of ❤️ has been re-entering side decks recently as part of a Thrust package for going 2nd, and Phoenix is regaining relevance as a fire fiend that you can make when you're fiend locked by Sharvara and fire locked by Promethean Princess, plus it can be co-linked with an Apollousa to protect it from battle
change of heart is played more then phoenix i know i know pop the s/t but would i why go into phoenix when i can go into asscode not have any trap used on me and blow up the whole backrow
I highly contest the change of heart segment. Change of heart is a FANTASTIC card. There's a reason it's stayed limited after it was unbanned. It's seen a moderate amount of competitive success since the day it was released from the ban list. I wouldn't call it a "staple" by any means, but it's a very good card, even by todays standards.
One issue I've seen on this show (and other similar segments) is ambiguity on what situation we're evaluating the cards in. For Yugioh, I suggest clarifying the time period: is a Staple™️ considered a card that's a staple currently, a staple at some point in the past, or a staple over many different formats throughout the game's history? Still, I love the format and am super happy about the recent revitalization of the Yugioh channel!
I agree with the sentiment here, it should be clearer what context the evaluation is in. Would like to say that they probably use the word "staple" to just mean "significantly higher than average card value" and/or "meta-relevant." Or maybe just "good." They're using the word because it has alliteration with "stinker" that makes for a catchy name, even if it's a bit of a misnomer.
I run Waking the Dragon often. Because no one runs it, no one expects it, so it works surprisingly often. Then in game 2 and 3, the threat of having a Waking the Dragon tends to ward off backrow removal, so you can take the Waking the Dragons out and not have to worry about your opponent destroying your other traps.
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Some issues with waking the dragon would be that it doesn't go off half the time in a game where card advantage is extremely important, it's dead going second, it's not enough to win the game on its own, and it can be negated if your opponent made a negate first or has ash blossom.
Yugi/Yami only used Change of Heart once, during his duel against Kaiba during their Battle City Semi-Final duel, in fact Change of Heart was only used 3 times, Bakura used it during his duel with Yami and Noah used it during his duel with Yami and of course the previously aforementioned Battle City Semi-Final duel.
Yugi used brain control which, in the show, was basically just change of heart with a different name. Not sure why they made him use change on heart in that duel.
@@flockinifyit was to change kaibas heart. Symbolic of how his character changed from that point onwards. He wasn't an antagonist at all from that point forwards
Superacient Deepsea King Coelacanth can be good in fish deck, if you build way to special summon it from hand, deck, grave, or banish, in that fish deck. In these days, most players special summon monsters, that are level 5 or higher, one way or other.
Man, seeing Coelacanth in this episode brought me back. During the tail end of the 5Ds era, I made this Fish Synchro deck that used Big Wave Small Wave to get Coelacanth out, utilizing Fishborg Blaster and other fish cards as well as Deep Sea Diva and flanking Coelacanth with Shooting Star Dragon and Red Nova Dragon. Would have likely never gotten far in a YCS, but it won me a locals on 3rd round with time called before the round started. Was definitely one of my happiest Yugioh memories to go second, then just do my Coelacanth combo, reveal 3 tuners off Shooting Star, and OTK. But I definitely understand that it would never ever work in today's Yugioh.
I'm always happy to see another one of these. As a Magic player, though a very amateurish one, I got them all right, though that was mostly just because I'd watched the previous videos.
The way I see waking the dragon working best is as a sideboard card in a best of three where you are playing an archetype that already uses a couple traps. In game 2 your opponent might decide to go for gold and blow up your trap since you used one in game one, and then you get this effect, and then in game three they have to be more hesitant with whether or not they blow up the trap, especially if you have one of each on the field.
I'm not keeping up with the competitive side of YGO, so CoH could be seeing no play currently. either way this was a really enjoyable video. glad the channel is still going.
I think Change of Heart probably errs closer to staple than stinker, but I see the vision. I think the thing to note most about Change of Heart is that it does nothing if you go first, which pretty much automatically relegates it to "side-deck card", and then it's competing with other dedicated go-second cards like Evenly Matched. Obviously, also worth mentioning Talents being "better CoH" (once it's online), by virtue of both being non-targeting, and being able to do stuff turn 1.
I like this new guy! He is very good at explaining stuff, and he seems like he has great potential as a presenter on the channel :D (Don't know if you're the one who runs the channel, but if so, hi!)
I disagree with with the first 2 cards. Change of Heart is a staple, you didn't tell that you can Link/XYZ or Link summon with your opponents monster. Phoenix is a stinker, I mean it can only destroy 1 trap/spell at the cost of 1 card from your hand. Only decks that benefit from it are a few specific decks
I play traptrix so "you have to set traps during your turn and then you can play them starting in your opponent's turn" feels so wrong to hear since I'm always activating traps on my first turn, setting them on my opponent's turn, etc etc
As a Shark player, I tried to make Coelecanth work believe me. But it's just kinda hard to get out to make the effect worth it. Also its (see-lo-canth). I am the only yugioh player I know or watch on youtube, that knows how to say it right.
This series always picks a bunch of very middle-of-the-road cards that *do* see current play, and then expect someone to say they're great or terrible. The host's verdict is wrong half the time, so I always have to just come to my own verdict instead.
I don't know, I feel like these cards weren't the right choices: -Change of Heart is defenetely not a stinker, but many people already told that. -Knightmare phoenix wasn't played in the last years, mostly after the release of Little Knight. It's played in Snake-Eye right now only for one of the otk lines with Zealantis. -Block Dragon and Coelacanth are cards that to be evaluated requires you to know the pool of rock and fish monsters. Like you said Block Dragon wasn't even played in the beginning.
Wait, Change of Heart is a stinker because is WAS a staple and Knightmare Pheonix is NOT a stinker because it... WAS a staple? I am no Yu-Gi-Oh Player, but I am confused.
change of heart is absolutely a staple, it's just better in board breaker formats, and not as good in handtrap formats There's some handtraps that come and go but they're absolutely a staple
Let me just say sir, I love your energy, and I look forward to seeing you as the host. You seem much more energetic than Adam, who was a great guy don't get me wrong, but a more peppy and engaged host was sorely needed. With that out of the way I have to agree with everyone in the comments on Change of Heart competitively and its use in the anime. Beyond that though, Super Deep Sea King Coelacanth was played in a few formats during the Synchro and Xyz eras as a competitive card. It may not be in any Fish deck now, but I think you need to re-evaluate how you judge these cards. The Magic game on the other channel just went on general use case or historic value rather than a narrow margin of currently competitive. Nothing wrong was stated, but it feels like there could have been better choices. So in other words, you owe Thoralf an apology! but in al seriousness this was a fun introduction, and I think you're gonna do great. I'll start catchin up on vids.
The colincanth made me laugh, cause in magic tribal decks are mediocre. They're fun, but they're not strong. Obviously, magic has "fish" decks too. Very surprised he fell for the tribal curse, haha.
“In order for a card to be considered a staple, it either has to be on the current list of banned cards or be present in X% of top 8s in the past Y years.” This would fix a lot of issues that people have with the subjectivity of this video format.
The only people who care whether or not the guests get the guesses right are people who only care about winning or losing and don't see anything else. The guessing game is just a vehicle for bringing players from different games together.
change of heart is a great side deck card right now to take apollousa. some decks like tenpai even main it. the reason why its not in most main decks is that is a going second card only so if you draw it game 1 going first, you handlooped yourself for one.
yeah change of heart is just good, calling it a stinker should be illegal (regardless if it was "seeing play" or not because OBVIOUSLY particular metas are going to make that far too variable). As a fish enjoyer myself, Coelicanth is a great card I dont care what people say, if you resolve it on field (not hard at all) you just win the game 95%+ of the time. Just because fish in general are not played much does not make coelicanth a shit card.
Agreed. Haven't played in years but even the "can't be targeted" monster effects mentioned in the video could never make a card with such a low cost and such a potentially devastating effect a "stinker". Wish there was a middle ground because I wouldn't really call it a staple must have in every deck, but it's FAAAAR from being a stinker
@@DUKEHadToDoItToEm Tbf if we're talking current era like from when it came off the banlist to now, it's pretty much just a stinker. Talents is just way more useful cause it comes with 2 other broken effects and CoH is almost never played outside of side.
Block dragon came out in 2017 And it was only played in a deck that didnt top any events in adamancipators(as the world shut down) but they murdered the deck with the block drsgon hit
yeah i feel like they should change the staple name tag, since staple means the card is so good it see play in anything, Block dragon is a banned card but it's so far removed as being a staple card since it only works with rock monsters.
3/5 is pretty good for a Magic player. that is a passing grade so well done Thoralf. I totally understand him getting Phoenix and Coelacanth wrong, those were tricky cards to evaluate. The change of heart tho i would definitely give to him cause it doesn't seem fair calling a card bad just because there are better versions of it, especially for a card that was banned for the longest time. Like you wouldn't call Knightmare Phoenix a bad card cause S:P little knight exists, you know.
"Many cards now have protection against this and also there are other cards that do the same thing but better." Yes, technically change of heart isn't a bad effect, it's just outclassed.
@@Christalwing Because deck slots are limited, if a card is outclassed, then it's bad. Bad cards can exist in the ED easier because they're always available, but still the slots are limited.
@@misteral9045 completely disregarding the times change of heart has been good. A staple in Goat format, has been banned for a long ass time, and is still used in decks to this day.
@@Christalwing Yes, because it's not relevant to the current discussion. We're talking about Standard, not Goat (which is a much slower format, go figure), and Yu-Gi-Oh as a card game bans worse versions of other cards because of the toxic negate/hand trap cycle (other card games have this problem too but most cards are free in Yu-Gi-Oh). The sideboard evolution is just a lesser version of the toxic cycle because they can't get you this game but they will the next.
The hosts should really explain that no one ever tribute summons. Also, withholding info brings the overall quality of the video and viewing experience way down
staple doesnt mean its being played right now. staple means you keep it seperate from the rest of the filler because it will have relevance in multiple decks, meta-depending. stinker means its never been good. If you want to do 'trick' cards then come up with a 3rd category, maybe Legacy or something, that describes cards that were once great, like Mirror Force or Swords of Revealing Light. Either way though CoH is a staple
Friendly suggestion for this series: going forward you should include a disclaimer indicating when it was filmed so the people watching can temper their expectations if that makes sense.
change of heart is very much more of a staple than knightmare phoenix (though imo they're both in the same category of toeing the line between staple and stinker) yes phoenix was used a lot in the past, but now it's only real use is in a deck that's really struggling for getting multiple monsters out *and* needs backrow removal, otherwise cards such as knightmare unicorn (can shuffle back any card, but is a link 3), topologic trisbaena (can wipe the entire backrow, but is again a link 3 and needs and extra monster for the effect), or s:p little knight (link 2, but also needs an extra deck monster to be able to use the effect to banish any card) can do the job infinitely better on the other hand change of heart is seeing relatively widespread play in the side deck to this day, since whilst yes it does target unlike something like triple tactics talent, just being able to unconditionally remove a monster from your opponent's field and use if for your own purposes (and at absolute worst baiting out your opponent's interactions) is really good
Lol Change of Heart is a super good card. VS some decks it is a lot better than Talents. Especially if you were going to steal a monster anyway. You don't have to rely on getting a monster activation from your opponent. It's also much better for baiting negates. For Phoenix, the main reason people run it is not at all for the pop effect but rather that it is one of the few do-nothing link 2 that any deck can make as part of a link climb into something like Apollousa or Accesscode.
also i feel like the detriment point for change of heart about monster having target protection while is true, there are also a lot of decks that don't actually have a boss monster that have target protection so it goes through them quite easily
@@waiyon1951 Exactly, and we're in a board breaker format more so than a hand trap format now with how every meta deck in-engine card is a starter/extender/resource recursion/protection all-in-one and the amount of hand traps you can play through kind of is only limited by cards in hand or how many resources you can occur. And because cards do everything, the hand trap isn't effective unless it like completely removes the card from the game in some way. And even then you have archetypes that can just use the banished zone as an additional resource. Playing negates that don't target / are board-wide can make cards like Change of Heart good as you can use your opponent's resources to help extend your own boards because running all those non-engine board breakers kind of reduces the amount of gas in your hand going second.
Change of Heart is seeing more play in side decks lately, so we'll give Thoralf a bonus point for his foresight! Check out an example deck list here: - bit.ly/4b1pGUB
people used to hate it but... they had a change of heart
Thoralf said Phoenix is the same as Change of Heart so if he gets a point for it he should for Phoenix as well.
Change of heart has always been good and still is. You're being foolish for ignoring decades of usage in favor of recent trends.
Staple Stinker is kind silly all these cards are good or have seen play it would be better to ask MTG players to talk to Yu-Gi-Oh! players just to take about the game the current meta and talk about why they like it or don't about the game and what the similarities and differences between the games. This format of video not only doesn't make sense but also misses the point of tech cards and edge cases where it's correct to play them but that kind of nuance is impossible when you produce this kind of drivel content get better please huge platform disappointed.
You should do all synchro and xyz monsters next time, but only ones that are good in their specific archetype. Really throw Thoralf for a loop
Change of Heart - "Stinker! It was a staple card for a very long time and even banned, but not anymore."
Knightmare Phoenix - "Staple! It was a staple card for a very long time, just not anymore."
My thoughts exactly
I honestly wouldnt have known what to call em in this series … They both seem very much in between, as phoenix is seeing much less play since sp and change of heart is niche side deck
Funny thing is that Change of ❤️ has been re-entering side decks recently as part of a Thrust package for going 2nd, and Phoenix is regaining relevance as a fire fiend that you can make when you're fiend locked by Sharvara and fire locked by Promethean Princess, plus it can be co-linked with an Apollousa to protect it from battle
Yet change of heart is still topping
change of heart is played more then phoenix i know i know pop the s/t but would i why go into phoenix when i can go into asscode not have any trap used on me and blow up the whole backrow
Change of heart is actually played in a lot of side decks currently to take the apolusa of a SE Board
Holy heck, the channel isn't dead? Welcome back!
Excited to be back! Thanks for watching!
-Taylor
0:44 WTH are you talking about?! He used it ONE time, and it was used by two VILLAINS before that!
The host was probably thinking of Brain Control. He used that one a lot.
I haven't watched all of DM but even I was like "but isn't that Bakura's favorite card?" lol
Probably just minor confusion since Change of Heart was in the Yugi Structure.
I highly contest the change of heart segment.
Change of heart is a FANTASTIC card. There's a reason it's stayed limited after it was unbanned. It's seen a moderate amount of competitive success since the day it was released from the ban list.
I wouldn't call it a "staple" by any means, but it's a very good card, even by todays standards.
One issue I've seen on this show (and other similar segments) is ambiguity on what situation we're evaluating the cards in.
For Yugioh, I suggest clarifying the time period: is a Staple™️ considered a card that's a staple currently, a staple at some point in the past, or a staple over many different formats throughout the game's history?
Still, I love the format and am super happy about the recent revitalization of the Yugioh channel!
I agree with the sentiment here, it should be clearer what context the evaluation is in. Would like to say that they probably use the word "staple" to just mean "significantly higher than average card value" and/or "meta-relevant." Or maybe just "good." They're using the word because it has alliteration with "stinker" that makes for a catchy name, even if it's a bit of a misnomer.
I run Waking the Dragon often. Because no one runs it, no one expects it, so it works surprisingly often. Then in game 2 and 3, the threat of having a Waking the Dragon tends to ward off backrow removal, so you can take the Waking the Dragons out and not have to worry about your opponent destroying your other traps.
THE CARDMARKET YUGIOH CHANNEL IS BACK!
I wish the best for the old cast, and hope theyre doing well. I'm hyped to see what's the new peeps are gonna cook
What did happen to the old cast? Just curious as I'm also glad to see this channel back.
@@thesonicslasher75 they left for reasons we do not know.
@@friskydrinklunkybank1108 oof. Alright then. Well like you said I wish them the best and am glad that this channel is back.
A couple months ago they indicated that Leoni would be returning with the YGO channel! I hope that's still true
Stay tuned! You may see some familiar faces in the near future :)
-Taylor
Don't play any of these card games, but I enjoy x card gamer rates y cards videos and i dont even know why.
You get to watch someone think really hard on the fly, because they're very different battle card games, but they're still both battle card games.
Some issues with waking the dragon would be that it doesn't go off half the time in a game where card advantage is extremely important, it's dead going second, it's not enough to win the game on its own, and it can be negated if your opponent made a negate first or has ash blossom.
Yugi/Yami only used Change of Heart once, during his duel against Kaiba during their Battle City Semi-Final duel, in fact Change of Heart was only used 3 times, Bakura used it during his duel with Yami and Noah used it during his duel with Yami and of course the previously aforementioned Battle City Semi-Final duel.
It was one of the Bakura's favourite card
@@GaybrohamStinkton I remember
Yugi used brain control which, in the show, was basically just change of heart with a different name. Not sure why they made him use change on heart in that duel.
@@flockinify I don't either.
@@flockinifyit was to change kaibas heart. Symbolic of how his character changed from that point onwards. He wasn't an antagonist at all from that point forwards
Superacient Deepsea King Coelacanth can be good in fish deck, if you build way to special summon it from hand, deck, grave, or banish, in that fish deck.
In these days, most players special summon monsters, that are level 5 or higher, one way or other.
Welcome back! I’ll miss Adam but I’m sure this new host will be great!
Man, seeing Coelacanth in this episode brought me back. During the tail end of the 5Ds era, I made this Fish Synchro deck that used Big Wave Small Wave to get Coelacanth out, utilizing Fishborg Blaster and other fish cards as well as Deep Sea Diva and flanking Coelacanth with Shooting Star Dragon and Red Nova Dragon.
Would have likely never gotten far in a YCS, but it won me a locals on 3rd round with time called before the round started. Was definitely one of my happiest Yugioh memories to go second, then just do my Coelacanth combo, reveal 3 tuners off Shooting Star, and OTK.
But I definitely understand that it would never ever work in today's Yugioh.
4:12 DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS
Adam left big shoes to fill, but you did good :)
oh he left the channel? why?
Happy y’all are back, even though I’ve not played since PSV, I’ll happily watch what y’all put out!
Hey you guys are back..!!!
But but, where is adam?
He's gone, unfortunately. But in his place we got Taylor! :D
I'm always happy to see another one of these. As a Magic player, though a very amateurish one, I got them all right, though that was mostly just because I'd watched the previous videos.
people talking about change of heart but can we talk about how this man is a synchro fish denier
Hold up! We call that a Threaten effect? Everybody knows that effect is an Act of Treason!
I think another good way to describe the Extra Deck would be Companions on release (pre nerf)
i like this fella. welcome back cardmarker
Coelocanth is actually really viable in Ghoti. Paces is a free way to get it out and also you can just abyss keeper it onto the field.
I'm glad this is back! Hope to see more of what you've got cooking!
The way I see waking the dragon working best is as a sideboard card in a best of three where you are playing an archetype that already uses a couple traps. In game 2 your opponent might decide to go for gold and blow up your trap since you used one in game one, and then you get this effect, and then in game three they have to be more hesitant with whether or not they blow up the trap, especially if you have one of each on the field.
What happened to the old hosts?
The pronunciation of Coelacanth is, for whatever reason, "SEE-la-canth". We've all pronounced it wrong the first time we saw the word.
Welcome back. We’ve missed you
I'm not keeping up with the competitive side of YGO, so CoH could be seeing no play currently. either way this was a really enjoyable video. glad the channel is still going.
I think Change of Heart probably errs closer to staple than stinker, but I see the vision. I think the thing to note most about Change of Heart is that it does nothing if you go first, which pretty much automatically relegates it to "side-deck card", and then it's competing with other dedicated go-second cards like Evenly Matched.
Obviously, also worth mentioning Talents being "better CoH" (once it's online), by virtue of both being non-targeting, and being able to do stuff turn 1.
9:22 I remember this card was meta for awhile, can't say it was never good. I remember playing against this many times, it was in a frog deck i think.
Change of heart is arguably one of the best board breakers in the game, especially after baronne getting banned.
I like this new guy! He is very good at explaining stuff, and he seems like he has great potential as a presenter on the channel :D
(Don't know if you're the one who runs the channel, but if so, hi!)
I disagree with with the first 2 cards. Change of Heart is a staple, you didn't tell that you can Link/XYZ or Link summon with your opponents monster. Phoenix is a stinker, I mean it can only destroy 1 trap/spell at the cost of 1 card from your hand. Only decks that benefit from it are a few specific decks
I play traptrix so "you have to set traps during your turn and then you can play them starting in your opponent's turn" feels so wrong to hear since I'm always activating traps on my first turn, setting them on my opponent's turn, etc etc
As a Shark player, I tried to make Coelecanth work believe me. But it's just kinda hard to get out to make the effect worth it. Also its (see-lo-canth). I am the only yugioh player I know or watch on youtube, that knows how to say it right.
Interesting to hear that yu-gi-oh! Also has a hexproof/ward problem to some extent.
This series always picks a bunch of very middle-of-the-road cards that *do* see current play, and then expect someone to say they're great or terrible. The host's verdict is wrong half the time, so I always have to just come to my own verdict instead.
I don't know, I feel like these cards weren't the right choices:
-Change of Heart is defenetely not a stinker, but many people already told that.
-Knightmare phoenix wasn't played in the last years, mostly after the release of Little Knight. It's played in Snake-Eye right now only for one of the otk lines with Zealantis.
-Block Dragon and Coelacanth are cards that to be evaluated requires you to know the pool of rock and fish monsters. Like you said Block Dragon wasn't even played in the beginning.
What? Change of heart is a really good card. It was forbidden forever for a reason
this is the only yugioh channel i watch. i missed this place.
BABE, WAKE UP NEW CARDMARKET-YUGIOH UPLOAD!
Wait, Change of Heart is a stinker because is WAS a staple and Knightmare Pheonix is NOT a stinker because it... WAS a staple?
I am no Yu-Gi-Oh Player, but I am confused.
Phoenix actually sees play, the guy is just a bad host at explaining
change of heart is absolutely a staple, it's just better in board breaker formats, and not as good in handtrap formats
There's some handtraps that come and go but they're absolutely a staple
Let me just say sir, I love your energy, and I look forward to seeing you as the host. You seem much more energetic than Adam, who was a great guy don't get me wrong, but a more peppy and engaged host was sorely needed.
With that out of the way I have to agree with everyone in the comments on Change of Heart competitively and its use in the anime.
Beyond that though, Super Deep Sea King Coelacanth was played in a few formats during the Synchro and Xyz eras as a competitive card. It may not be in any Fish deck now, but I think you need to re-evaluate how you judge these cards. The Magic game on the other channel just went on general use case or historic value rather than a narrow margin of currently competitive. Nothing wrong was stated, but it feels like there could have been better choices.
So in other words, you owe Thoralf an apology! but in al seriousness this was a fun introduction, and I think you're gonna do great. I'll start catchin up on vids.
The colincanth made me laugh, cause in magic tribal decks are mediocre. They're fun, but they're not strong. Obviously, magic has "fish" decks too.
Very surprised he fell for the tribal curse, haha.
Change of heart, mind control played good amount since Omi negates are gone.
I *love* Staple or Stinker! Still waiting for the day you do one with Flesh and Blood!
“In order for a card to be considered a staple, it either has to be on the current list of banned cards or be present in X% of top 8s in the past Y years.”
This would fix a lot of issues that people have with the subjectivity of this video format.
The only people who care whether or not the guests get the guesses right are people who only care about winning or losing and don't see anything else. The guessing game is just a vehicle for bringing players from different games together.
change of heart is a great side deck card right now to take apollousa. some decks like tenpai even main it. the reason why its not in most main decks is that is a going second card only so if you draw it game 1 going first, you handlooped yourself for one.
Glad this channel is back!
We're so back!
bro has not seen the shenanigans that lukevonkarma subs pull off with superancient deep sea
yeah change of heart is just good, calling it a stinker should be illegal (regardless if it was "seeing play" or not because OBVIOUSLY particular metas are going to make that far too variable). As a fish enjoyer myself, Coelicanth is a great card I dont care what people say, if you resolve it on field (not hard at all) you just win the game 95%+ of the time. Just because fish in general are not played much does not make coelicanth a shit card.
i love these videos please do them more often
Change Of Heart is definitely a staple.
It's more of a side deck option now. Not really a staple. Triple Tactics Talent is more of a staple than Change of Heart
Agreed. Haven't played in years but even the "can't be targeted" monster effects mentioned in the video could never make a card with such a low cost and such a potentially devastating effect a "stinker".
Wish there was a middle ground because I wouldn't really call it a staple must have in every deck, but it's FAAAAR from being a stinker
@@DUKEHadToDoItToEmyeah its just one of the nuances of the series, but oh well.
@@friskydrinklunkybank1108 Right. But it was banned because in its time it was too much of a staple.
@@DUKEHadToDoItToEm Tbf if we're talking current era like from when it came off the banlist to now, it's pretty much just a stinker. Talents is just way more useful cause it comes with 2 other broken effects and CoH is almost never played outside of side.
Glad to see you guys back
Block dragon came out in 2017
And it was only played in a deck that didnt top any events in adamancipators(as the world shut down) but they murdered the deck with the block drsgon hit
yeah i feel like they should change the staple name tag, since staple means the card is so good it see play in anything, Block dragon is a banned card but it's so far removed as being a staple card since it only works with rock monsters.
Yugi used change of heart a lot? I don't recall him ever using it
Was thinking the same. Change of Heart was played by Bakura
“Sea Low Canth” for those curious ; D
3/5 is pretty good for a Magic player. that is a passing grade so well done Thoralf. I totally understand him getting Phoenix and Coelacanth wrong, those were tricky cards to evaluate. The change of heart tho i would definitely give to him cause it doesn't seem fair calling a card bad just because there are better versions of it, especially for a card that was banned for the longest time. Like you wouldn't call Knightmare Phoenix a bad card cause S:P little knight exists, you know.
"Many cards now have protection against this and also there are other cards that do the same thing but better." Yes, technically change of heart isn't a bad effect, it's just outclassed.
@@misteral9045 Change of heart is a good card, there's just better cards that do the same thing as it. Snatch steal is a good example
@@Christalwing Because deck slots are limited, if a card is outclassed, then it's bad. Bad cards can exist in the ED easier because they're always available, but still the slots are limited.
@@misteral9045 completely disregarding the times change of heart has been good. A staple in Goat format, has been banned for a long ass time, and is still used in decks to this day.
@@Christalwing Yes, because it's not relevant to the current discussion. We're talking about Standard, not Goat (which is a much slower format, go figure), and Yu-Gi-Oh as a card game bans worse versions of other cards because of the toxic negate/hand trap cycle (other card games have this problem too but most cards are free in Yu-Gi-Oh).
The sideboard evolution is just a lesser version of the toxic cycle because they can't get you this game but they will the next.
The hosts should really explain that no one ever tribute summons. Also, withholding info brings the overall quality of the video and viewing experience way down
26:26 except it hasn't been played for 4 years at least
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Why would you unsub dead channel though? It is not like you'd get notifications from there anyway.
@@Datuna-vw3un Yeah, I just go through and clean up my subs sometimes. It doesn't really matter, but I just do.
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staple doesnt mean its being played right now. staple means you keep it seperate from the rest of the filler because it will have relevance in multiple decks, meta-depending. stinker means its never been good. If you want to do 'trick' cards then come up with a 3rd category, maybe Legacy or something, that describes cards that were once great, like Mirror Force or Swords of Revealing Light. Either way though CoH is a staple
Friendly suggestion for this series: going forward you should include a disclaimer indicating when it was filmed so the people watching can temper their expectations if that makes sense.
Yugi never used change of heart. Thea was Change of heart in a bakura episode
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I'm pretty sure Change of Heart showed up in only one or two episodes and Yugi used it maybe once. Change of Heart did not show up that often
Change of heart is and always has been good.
Oh wow, the magic channel wasn't lying after all lol.
change of heart is very much more of a staple than knightmare phoenix (though imo they're both in the same category of toeing the line between staple and stinker)
yes phoenix was used a lot in the past, but now it's only real use is in a deck that's really struggling for getting multiple monsters out *and* needs backrow removal, otherwise cards such as knightmare unicorn (can shuffle back any card, but is a link 3), topologic trisbaena (can wipe the entire backrow, but is again a link 3 and needs and extra monster for the effect), or s:p little knight (link 2, but also needs an extra deck monster to be able to use the effect to banish any card) can do the job infinitely better
on the other hand change of heart is seeing relatively widespread play in the side deck to this day, since whilst yes it does target unlike something like triple tactics talent, just being able to unconditionally remove a monster from your opponent's field and use if for your own purposes (and at absolute worst baiting out your opponent's interactions) is really good
yeah it be nice to know when this was roughly made.
Like barely any deck use phoenix anymore unless you're making a low power deck to play for fun.
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Sorry, WHAT?? Change of heart, which is actual meta?
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Change of heart isn’t bad when I’m searching it off Thrust! Stop it 😂😂😂😂😂
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Waking the dragon is not a stinker.
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Change of Heart on Apollousa is game-winning. Thoralf got scammed!
"coal'icanth"
Wow. Somebody wasn't a dinosaur kid.
Coelacanth is pronounced like "seal-akanth".
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Change of heart is super good
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You should give him the first 2, change of heart is a good card and sees play right now and he rated phoenix about as good as that.
Change of Heart wins you games. there’s also the play of just linking off the monster you CoH’d.
Lol Change of Heart is a super good card. VS some decks it is a lot better than Talents. Especially if you were going to steal a monster anyway. You don't have to rely on getting a monster activation from your opponent. It's also much better for baiting negates.
For Phoenix, the main reason people run it is not at all for the pop effect but rather that it is one of the few do-nothing link 2 that any deck can make as part of a link climb into something like Apollousa or Accesscode.
also i feel like the detriment point for change of heart about monster having target protection while is true, there are also a lot of decks that don't actually have a boss monster that have target protection so it goes through them quite easily
@@waiyon1951 Exactly, and we're in a board breaker format more so than a hand trap format now with how every meta deck in-engine card is a starter/extender/resource recursion/protection all-in-one and the amount of hand traps you can play through kind of is only limited by cards in hand or how many resources you can occur.
And because cards do everything, the hand trap isn't effective unless it like completely removes the card from the game in some way. And even then you have archetypes that can just use the banished zone as an additional resource.
Playing negates that don't target / are board-wide can make cards like Change of Heart good as you can use your opponent's resources to help extend your own boards because running all those non-engine board breakers kind of reduces the amount of gas in your hand going second.