I don't know what your talking bout. The IH tractors are the most cold blooded tractors I know. Every IH I've ever tried starting can have the glow plugs engaged for 3 full minutes at a time and it still wehwehwehwehwehs like 50 times before it starts if it even does.
In the cold or allis blew so much smoke the fire dept would come because they thought there was a fire. Just Kidding... but they didnt like to start in the cold. They are diesels....
We run a 1086 and me and my dads knees aren’t that that close and I’m 6’2 and my head isn’t even close to being taller to the front of the tractor so idk if the 986 sits lower then the 10s and up
both brands have their advantages and disadvantages. I am an IH guy mainly because of their simplicity and low cost in parts. Have an IH in very series. It's awful nice being able to redo the brakes without having to split the tractor, as well as rebuild the pto, unlike a deere. Their 2 point hitch setup is hands down much heavier and streamline as well. A TA will last much longer as long the operator knows how to use it. Theres def a few other better designs too. Comparing these two cabs I will agree that the rear visibility is much better in the deere. Door wise, sure a rear swinging door seems easier but if you cant figure out how to get in and out of an 86 series cab quick and efficiently then you're just plain lazy or incompetent. Cab room seems about the same when it comes to both in the soundguard and 86 cab. (Speaking in third person, your own self inflicted physical appearance isn't IH's fault) my brother is 6'5" and has nothing to complain about in the 86 cab. (sure the 88 cab is a whole lot roomier). I've yet to have a problem seeing the drawbar, may have to lean back farther but adapt and overcome. John deere lover or IH lover, everyone knows the boxcar magnums were the best made machines...which is, other than the hood and a few other things, an IH design
@@obieacres4676 fords had a lot of trouble with the dual power I can take u to 15 ford tw-15s and 20s that have been parked at 2,000 to 4,000 hours cause the dual power went out and it would cost them more to fix it than it was worth.
@@xade7863 my tw20 has 6000 hours on it and dual power has never failed. Much more reliable then IH ta. I had a tw30 with 8000 hours dual power worked like new. They are proven reliable if you do a little maintenance
Wow. Seeing the inside of this 86 cab brings back memories. My dad bought a new 1586 when I was 9 or 10. I think it was the first year. I think he would have preferred a smaller model, like the 986, but he wound up not being the final decision maker (it was complicated). So all this is great nostalgia for me. Yep, can’t tell you how many times I rode on that ledge with my dad operating. Because he worked a full time job and farmed after work, we were often running at night. I’d sometimes fall asleep to the soft hum of that big diesel. So I grew up on that tractor until we lost the farm in 1992. One thing you had to be careful with in the 1586 was it was so strong, if you weren’t careful with the hydraulic brakes, you could tear up the bull gear. Took us going through a couple of them to figure that out. It went out with us one year during planting. And my dad picked up a cabless 1566 at a sale to keep us going while the 86 was in the shop. And we never had bull gear issues with the 66. I think it was slightly lower HP and the brakes weren’t hydraulic. We had an uncle’s 986 on the farm for a while, too, and dad and I kicked ourselves for not buying it from him. It would have been a much better hay tractor than the 1566. Never had any experience with a JD. And frankly, none of the 86 cab issues you talk about were ever anything I noticed probably for that reason. Neither of the doors were ever in my way. My knees weren’t bumping the controls (and I have very long legs for my 6’ height - very short torso), and even at 12 years old I could back that drawbar right up to the hitch on the implement, even if it did require some flexibility. So I’m not interested in the debate as to which cab was better. But thanks for this walk down memory lane. These were the greatest years with my dad, who was hit out of nowhere by leukemia and died rather soon after 3 1/2 years ago.
I worked at a CaseIH dealership in parts and at an Allis dealer before that as a mechanic. The IH had lots or rear end problems with the bigger models. The 1566 and 1586 were the same horse power. Maybe the 1586 was turned up in hp? All those IH tractors had poor brakes until the 1566 and 1586 and the big 88 series. Also the 86 series had even more TA troubles than normal because of how the cab affected the shift valve. The fix was to go back to the 66 series set up. The 88 series needed a lot of transmission updates or they would have trouble and I don't think I would own one even with the updates other than to look at because they were IMO the best looking tractor in the 1980's compared to everyone else. The Magnum was based off the 88 series from the inside out and were a much better tractor.
@@SilverGleaner well, we will differ on the 88 look. I thought that long nose thing was about the ugliest thing I ever looked at. I’ll always fall back on the 66 and 86 as the best looking tractors with the 86 nudging out the 66 because the seat forward of the axle shortens the hood. Ride was better, too. But there were advantages to both. If you learned to be gentle with the brakes, the bull gear wouldn’t bust as easy. I don’t recall ever having a problem with a TA, but I was off at college a few years and don’t remember everything. By the time I was out of college he’d had to sell off everything
@@tannertuner I know the thinking of moving the cab forward was to get a better ride but if I remember correctly, the farmers I talked to at the CaseIH dealership back in the 90's said the 86 series actually rode rougher than the 66 series. I didn't like running my cousin's 1066 when I used to work for him but I thought it gave a good ride. Terrible controls, poor hydraulics, awful cab, hard to get at the batteries (not as bad as a 4020 with a cab) and hard to fuel up. I used to run a 706 on a square baler and that was a nice ride too, no cab but again terrible controls. BTW Dad's 7000 cab was much better than that 1066. I never really drove an 86 series in the field to compare to a 66.
@@SilverGleaner I will admit it’s been nearly 30 years since we lost the farm and had to sell off everything, but my recollection was that the 86 rode better than the 66. And I operated them both for at least 10 years - we actually had the 86 for several years before picking up the used 66. Maybe it was my perception of the quiet air conditioned cab of the 86 vs the open station 66. It may have been that the seat of the 86 absorbed shock better. And maybe I’m just mistaken. I liked running them both. We never had a big JD other than a 6600 combine so I don’t have anything to compare them to. Agree with you that the position of the controls on the 66 was less than optimal but that’s where IH had had their controls on all the big tractors up until then. The gear shifters were moved next to the driver seat on the 86, and the throttle lever and TA handle were better positioned too. It was weird getting used to the 66 controls after having started on the 86, but you could do it. You had to reach farther to get to the 66 controls. I never had anything to compare hydraulics to so I guess I wouldn’t know what I was missing.
@@SilverGleaner also, as to the HP, I just seem to recall the 1586 being advertised at about 10 more HP than the 1566. But you’re right, tractordata shows them both with the same motor and tested HP. Our 86 had larger rear tires than the 66. That could have contributed to the rear end problems, too. The 1486 and 1466 also had the same turbo charged D436 as the 1586/66 but they were 15 HP lower. The 986 also had the D436 but it was not turbocharged. The 966 had the 414, same as the 1086/66, but the 966 wasn’t turbocharged. So both entire series, other than the 886, used two engines.
Never was in an IH as a kid,but had many hours logged in the old Case 90 series tractors and 4wds that had the rear pad like a bed,used to love watching the plow rip the soil and the dust flying out behind the disk in the 4wds,and the 20-2590s were used for planting,cullimulching,baler and smaller chores. The farm ran doubles of each model,the largest were a pair of 4490s. Miss those old Case tractors,very few around here anymore.
Pressure and flow compensating for IH came in 1981 just before the 88 series. BTW Allis had that system in Jan. 1973. And there is more leg room in the Allis 7000 series by far. No right door though but the Allis 8000 series fixed thar.
We run both Case & JD. We have a 8320 that's used on the planter & the grain cart, & a 4555 that we use on the drill & the roller. Our primary tillage tractor is a Case 485. That's where I put the most hours in. I love the cab it has plenty of room. I also like the transmission with its F N R shuttle & the button on the throttle for shifting.
Excellent video man. I'm an IH guy, love most IH equipment. I have grown up operating and fixing both deere and IH alike. At one time, I've had chance to compare a 4640 to a 5288 and I'll take that 5288 any day of the week. Much nicer shifting, I liked the second door and the 5288 imo pulled better then the 4640. That being said I do have a soft spot for deeres 8630, basically grew up in that tractor.
Supposed to back out of the IH or Deere cabs, don’t exit walking forward. My elderly dad took several face plants walking out of his 1086 by exiting facing the wrong way.
I got a kick out of that area of the IH cab that you pointed out for little kids! I spent a lot of hours riding in that area of a brand new 5488 when I was 8 or 9 years old
Soundguard is the best...people complain about the cab post in the line of sight but it never really bothered me but maybe because a 4430 was our first tractor with a cab and I was so happy I love your 4640..we had one with mfwd
@@SpaceExplorer4430 Ease of operation. Less noise is part of it. It really comes down to which tractor is easier to operate. Easier operation means less fatigue, or a fresher operator over the long haul. In this aspect, JD had all other tractors beat and not just because of the cab. JD tractor's were reliable and long lasting. Internationals were cheaper to buy, though. Cheaper and if operated and maintained, Internationals would last just as long as JD. The main differences were ease of operation (cabs) and better hydraulics with the JD until the early 80's. The 88 series International was more competitive with JD in the 80's with more room than the 86's, better layout, hydraulics comparable to JD only cheaper again to buy. No doubt in my mind, JD is a better tractor than International overall for decades. I think all International could hope for is to come in 2nd with market share and they did. In my mind, International has the 2nd best tractor out there next to JD over the years. Same holds true with combines. As of late though, New Holland is competitive and ranking within the top 3.
Lol. I did that one clearly for clickbait! The old binder crowd gets pretty ruthless online and so I thought I'd make a video to pick on them. And now I'm in love with a Massey Ferguson. My check book says I can get a lot more tractor for the same money.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 i really like the way you laid out that MF video. economics and effieniency don't seem to be reason enough for some to leave the green cult
Grew up with a 1070 which is basically just a cab with a fan in it. So anything else is fancy to me. We had a 6588 as our main tractor for decades. It's just two super fancy binders stuck together. Had to get rid of it after being split for the 5th time to replace the clutch. We replaced that with a Steiger Cougar. Now that there is a cab worth mentioning. Well laid out, roomy, quiet and comfortable. That said, my favourite tractors to this day are the old IH 724 and MH 44. No cabs or fancy things to worry about. Great visibility unless you're kicking up dust with the wind, lol.
Great sense of humor. Lol. The 86 series was in all honesty really well laid out. I actually preferred it to the Deere's of its day. If you knew what you were doing, the transmission was very slick indeed, even going back to the '66 series. I had a 1468 [yes, 68--and that isn't a typo] of that vintage with the deluxe cab which was incredibly roomy. I honestly don't think you are tall enough to have any shortage of headroom in that one and it had excellent visibility including a nice little window to look down on the hitch. Also had many hours in the 3588/3788s and never had any complaints about anything on those old machines. I can't figure out your complaints about the power steering. The steering on all of those IH 66s through 86s was flawless in terms of effort required. It had some other weirdness, but the effort required certainly wasn't noticeably different from the 4640 or 3 series. Yes the T/A was terrible and it was ridiculous that on the 66 series you had to try to add tranny fluid from inside the cab lol. I recall watching in horror as the flexible neck on a metal funnel came detached from the funnel and fell DEEP into the transmission. No mean feat to retrieve it. :-O
Nice post thanks. This is my one clickbait video. By the time I came along and was driving all this equipment for the neighborhood these machines were already at 5 and 6000 hours and having somewhere. The binders with a loader just did not steer as nice. Loved in 06 or 66 with the shifting column up on the right try to do shuttle work with it. That got old. We had a 1468 here for the fall with the V8. I thought that thing was pretty cool big engine hanging out. My dad couldn't wait for it to leave. Hard on fuel and weak pto. Manure pump tore up a lot of ttactors.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Hate to think of using a 1468 on a loader all day. The utility tractors such as 574, 684 etc. were great for a loader though. The 1466/68s often had the addition of both 540 and 1000 rpm shafts but it was a really bad idea to load it at 540. Used ours and our 1370 Case on a manure pump a lot without grief but it was always a concern to walk away while they ran flat out hour after hour without Murphy switch gauges...
Did you have much trouble mounting the updated step on your loader tractor? I’d like to put one on our 4450 with 148 loader, I’m just not sure if it’ll fit.
We use the John Deere original step kit because the price was not much different than the aftermarket but the way up mounts it's a lot more sturdy. We had Two Notch the loader frame a little bit for it to work but no big deal
Jon Stevens Maple Grove Farms I’ve heard the Deere ones are better quality than the aftermarket ones and not much more money, I’ll have to look into them more, thanks!
I was big on IHC until the 86 series came out; you just knew it was pretty much over. The cab door was backwards, it shifted on the left side, the other controls were crude, it rode about like a WD, and still had the junk TA. It was no wonder they went belly up. If you were honest with yourself, you would throw rocks at one of these after driving a 4440.
Now Now, don't be slamming the good ole WD tractors :-) I grew up running a WD and grew to love them and restored Dad's old WD. I actually like how I can keep one leg on the platform under the seat and then it's easy to look backwards and still use the hand clutch to stop and go. It's what you get used to I guess. One thing, Dad never had trouble with the WD and we had a dairy farm to run it threw its paces on.
Almost everything that we had on our dairy farm was painted red. Farmall Super C, 460 narrow front, 460 wide front, 656 utility, 826 Hydro Demonstrator, 986, 3388. Lots of New Holland and Gehl implements, wagons etc. Racine Farm Equipment in Racine Minnesota was just 3 miles east of our farm and they got a majority of our business. They lost IH when International was reducing the number of dealerships.
That had to be pretty nice with a store that close What did you think of the hydro? When I was a kid at John Deere dealer a hydro came in for some tires and I told the guys this would be a slick tractor for loader work and miscellaneous chores.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 We liked the 826 Hydro but we ruined two hydro transmissions getting it stuck and pulling it at a faster speed than the drive wheels were turning. We had the gold hood and fenders painted red before the farm sold. Odd thing about that 826 Hydro was it still had a clutch which had to be depressed to start it.
Oh lord you gave me flashbacks of those tiny foot pads for steps. Raked the crap out of my legs on my dads open station IH 756D many times lol. Still a good running tractor though.
Ha! Deere had the small pads as well, don't know how many times as a kid you have a running start to the Tractor and you're going to make this big leap and when your foot hits the padded slips off and then the pad tears up the back your calf or the front of your shin
I am a Red guy, so go Red!! LOL I think both companies had things that were better than the other, but I am curious what the price of a new International tractor was as compared to a new Deere back then. Interesting video!!
I grew up on both. We had a late 4430 and 4630 and my grandpa had a 986 and 1086. Deere in my opinion is higher quality and more user friendly. Long story short I still have the Deeres and the ih's got sold to the highest bidder lol.
adjust the F-ing seat, I'm 6-2 and and there is 5 inches between my head and the roof, either your a 8 foot giant or making up some BS for hop and aw. Ran all types and never had any issue with an 86 series.
The seat thing is probably on the aftermarket seat you have in it because theirs a lot of tall people like 6-3 in my family and none of them have problems
We farmed with 20 series jds and massey's. Both were good . I worked at a ih dealer. There was no manual that said just as tight as you could. The 1566 had planatery axles. Jd had a good product, but seemed very slow to develop new products. The 55 series was no match for the magnum.
Yeah the Magnums were good tractors I was at deere at the introduction of the 8000 series. The 55 could hold their own but the big advantage case had was the cab. Transmission was a little more efficient as well.
More red in the 70's. took JD a long time to catch them. The shift on the go is what made deere. Lots of deere bleeders up here switching to red because of the high cost of ownership.
local large farm is on its last deere combine. cant stand that the bearings and parts on the machine from early 2000's made it 4k hours and the replacement parts from china make it 400 hours.
Rumor has it IH had a lot of coke heads in the finance dept skimming a lot of profit out the door laundering tons of money. Who knows if its true. But it was the 80s and greed was good and plenty
@@04tacomaguy1 That is sure possible. I know some dealers took advantage of the company too and IH pulled the plug on them. Our dealer here is a Man and wife team that worked at the Ontario plant and bought a dealership in the early 80's I thought that was kind of cool.
Have both a IH 5288 and Deere 4440, I prefer the cab structure and instrument cluster of the international but the controls and rear visibility definitely go to the deere
Still not sold....haha. 3 worst shifting tractors that I came across, IH 86 Series, Ford Selectospeed, and I drove a JD 40-something or other with the column shift, couldn’t figure that thing out for the life of me.
Deere powershift is a refined version of Ford Select-o-speed. Same guy designed both. He left Ford because they were in a hurry to release it and he warned them it was not ready. He left Ford and went to Deere with the improvements. Ford filed a lawsuit. The rest is history.
Never ran an IH, but as soon as I saw all the BS on the right side of the seat, I was instantly appalled. It still baffles me that some new manufactors place controls on the left side of the seat.... It's just not right...
You must be 7 ft tall or I'm really short haha. I can stretch my legs all the way out in the 86 cab and I usually don't even run the seat all the way back. The shifting is about the only thing I can think of to complain about on the 86 series. I do like the doors on both sides, and I do think the visibility is better (at least forward, albeit I don't think it's that bad backwards I never have to use the stupid little mirror haha.) I like how you sit a bit more forward on the 86 series tractors. The main thing I liked better about the deere is the transmission I think. Definitely superior. I think the IH A/C and heater is better. I do agree those backwards ass doors are annoying. Maybe it was just my cousins particular 4430, but I think the hydraulic seat in the IHs are much much better. The final drives are much much better on the deeres for sure. My friend (who's 1486s I have all my IH experience in) has rebuilt his rear ends several times on both of his 14s. One of his 14s does have a diff lock by the way haha. If your PTO dies on the deere have fun taking half the tractor apart haha. Not so on the IH. The weak frames that would tweak the block on the deeres were definitely an issue. I think the IH was a more heavy duty tractor frame wise. Idk they're both gold tractors, but I think I'm in the IH camp haha.
International was the greatest tractors ever built sure they all had there problems Deere also but as far as the ta's go on the binders it was usually operator error .my 1976 1486 still works fine.
Grew up with 56 series and now have a 4430. Had to laugh at your lack of leg room in the 86 - my brother has the same complaint with Deere! I, however , love that 4430.
Well duh, your not going to see the draw bar because you are in a IH 86 series tractor, the cab is moved forward because the IH 66 series cabs sat on top of the rear axle, which made for some a rough ride.
Oh boy, a classic 7520 could put a lot more rubber on the ground, both tractors could be turned up on hp. I would bet that the 7520 could be set up to pull better, but for cab comfort, parts and service i would take the 4840. My 4640 and 8450 are not comparable. The 8450 will drag it around all day.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Thank you for answering, I'm 15 years old and planning to be a farmer when I'm older. (I have a family farm) I just bought my first tractor which is a Farmall M, but when I start farming I'm going to try to get a 7520 or a 8430/8630. I wanted a John deere 4430 to be my first big tractor, but they are pretty expensive where I would rather get the 7520 or 8430/8630 for power and price.
Nothing wrong with a farmall M Them old John Deere's depending on what and how you're going to farm they may be a cheap sticker price but can be very expensive over a five to 10-year. To keep them running. What kind of farm would you like to have?
@@SpaceExplorer4430 Stay away from those older Deere four wheel drive tractors. They have a lot of troubles. Get an old Steiger. Lots of truck parts in them and so cheaper and easier to repair.
Still use open 4020 for hay work, I will take that cab all day! Grew up on open station or hot box cabs, cabs with lots of glass but no ac or air flow. Was hotter and dirtier in the cab. lol
They were just a cramped cab but after running a 4755 quite a bit the post thing is not really a problem. If you sit in the center of the cab the muffler, air cleaner and post do take a little more area from your sight line but it's not a big deal. I like my 7050 cab better. That cab is not as small as people claim and it is very quiet for its time and the windows open real wide.
To the video guy: Either you're 6' 8" or the seat was NOT all the way back. The hitch on the 86 series is not as visible from the operator's station as the JD but it IS visible if you lean back just a little farther. I never used the mirror when hooking up wagons. Yes the door is backwards on the 86 series but it isn't any more difficult to enter than the JD. In fact I think entrance is easier on the IH vs the JD. The JD door opening is narrower and you have to turn around almost 180 degrees to sit down. The JD cab is tiny in comparison to the IH. The IH has enough room for a right hand door. No practical place for even a lunch box in the JD. The IH cab is quieter and has full glass on the front window. Plus there is only a narrow stack above the hood and no air cleaner. The muffler is actually under the hood. Those 414 and 436 IH engines were good in cold weather starting. Some people cuss the TA but it gives you a high and low in every single gear. 86 series along with 56 and 06 series have both 1000 and 540 PTO shafts out the back end. On the JD you have to swap between the two. Hydraulic assisted clutch on the IH, making is much easier to push in than the JD. Much larger fuel tank on the IH than JD. JD has Synchro transmission and much easier to shift from 1 to 4. Better hydraulics although the later 86 series came with a closed center system like the JD. Better visibility to the hitch which was good for cultivating. However that put the cab right above the rear wheels, giving it a rougher ride than the IH. More comfortable seat in the JD. The post in the middle of the front window didn't really bother me as before the days of GPS you spent more time looking to the side than straight ahead and we never planted with ours. But I did prefer the one piece window on the IH. IH went to the synchro trans in the 88 series but it still did not shift as well as the JD. LMH ranges with 6 speeds but it was actually 3 speeds with power shift between 1-2, 3-4, 5-6. It's too bad they weren't made with a PS from 1-6. That one thing would have made it a much better tractor. The 88's were not balanced as well as the older 86's. The forward air flow did not work well. If IH could have held on just another year or so and introduced the Magnum series (which was IH's design and would have been their next generation) they would have made it. I grew up with only IH tractors so I still like them. However today, we are all JD for our main field tractors. I've owned a CIH MX 220, then traded it for a CIH 260, and traded that for a JD 8260R. Today I'll take JD over CIH all day long. A more user friendly tractor. The one thing I wish JD had that CIH as is the hydraulic clutch. Does anyone agree with me that a lot of the radios in tractors today are crap compared to what we had in the 80s?
If IH was ran like Allis Chalmers was, and I suspect they were, a good Magnum tractor probably still would not have saved them. Look at the Allis 8000 series that came out in December 1981. Great tractors with a cab that set the standard for everyone even up to today but it couldn't save the company due to mismanagement that started in the 1970's or even 60's. Too many other things they were into that lost money and lots of government contracts that got cancelled in the late 70's.
@@SilverGleaner We'll never know! But there is something to be said about the CIH first Magnum series tractors: IMO, when they were introduced in about 1987??? they were the best tractors on the market until Deere introduced their 8000 series. The row crop Magnums had a Cummins 505 and the only company to offer powershift transmission that was standard on the large frame models (7100 series). No other company at that time had a PST that was standard. Their cab was far superior to JD's as it was much quieter and bigger. They were the first to move the exhaust stack out of the way to the corner of the cab. They had a hydraulic clutch which was in their 50 series tractors. Of course we'll never know but that's why I think that tractor could have saved them. You mentioned management and I agree, particularly with the design of the 86 series tractors. While they were very reliable and much better than the previous 66 series, they still stuck with the old non-synchro transmission. That is one area where they let Deere and Case pass them by.
@@66limelight I'm going to be a little long on my response.....IMO the Magnum was the first power shift that matched the durability of the Allis power shift. The Allis power shift was beefy and when I was at mechanics school way back I saw the Deere power shift from a 46 or 4840 setting on the same bench with the Allis power shift as the teacher was going through both with the class. It wasn't even close. Allis was definitely a beefier unit. BTW Allis was working on an 18 speed power shift at the time of their demise. It was due to go into production in 1986. A new tractor model was due to come out then too. Some internal company memos numbered the new model the 8095 some say it was going to be 90xx to reflect more closely the PTO hp of over 200. The 8010 = 110 hp, 8030 = 130, 8050 = 150, 8070 = 170, and the 8095 would signify only 195 hp. The new model would have been the biggest 2wd tractors built in the industry with over 200 PTO hp. The late Norm Swinford, a 30 year Allis Chalmers Marketing Department employee, wrote about the prototypes in a book he published. There are still two prototypes running today and at least two carcasses around. The two running are equipped with Power Director transmissions rather than the 18 speed power shift and I think one has a Deutz and maybe one has a Cummins. None came with an engine when sold. No one seems to know where the power shift transmissions ended up. The owners of the prototypes had to piece the prototypes back together from a pile of parts they bought at the Allis proving grounds when Deutz sold out nearly everything by auction. The prototypes are also decaled as 8070's but they are clearly longer tractors and have a wheelbase of 120 inches vs 106. At least four used a Komatsu engine which Komatsu retrieved from Allis at some point. Allis was exploring buying an engine because producing their own was getting too expensive. I've read that they even considered Mack engines at one time which I think would have been awesome. Here is a picture of one of the prototypes where you can see how the engineers just piecemealed the hoods to make them longer. www.flickr.com/photos/21169515@N08/3561365002/
You must be fairly tall. I am 6'5" and plant and spray with a 986. I think i have more room in the cab than you do haha. I do not like crawling over the shifter in and out. I only use the left door after many hours in a 4440 with just the left side door. I have not ran a sound gard cab in a while I would probably find an issue with that too haha.
I heared some saying to some one : " did you know why Farmall an IH have had red paint? No, i've no clou? It's because the mechanic can find em better on the field!" Was that the truth?
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 i got nothing to do with farming (helped sometimes on a little farm as a teen and very interested in farm equipment from around the 1970, JOHN DEERE forage harvesters the most) . Now only watching at farm shows. I realy like your chanal. Watching you wrench on JD Powershift and explain the steering orbital .....you mak us feel we could do that too. Many thanks and go on like that👍
We had a IH 1586 and a JD 4640 and the 1586 would pull noticeably more than the 4640. The 4640 did ride better. We also had a Massey 2805 and it had the nicest cab much bigger and very operator friendly and it would pull like a freight train and smoke like one. The only problem the transmission went out every month. Now I run all Case IH
Jon Stevens Maple Grove Farms they used a lot more fuel than JD or IH. The best I can remember probably 25 % to 30 % more in a 12 hr day. We changed ours from 24 speed power shift transmission to a standard 8 speed and we had no more problems. The cabs were very large compared to other companies. The big down fall was the engines on the V8 Massey’s were shot at about 3000 hrs. I have a friend who has one and he told me last week the engine and drive train and hydraulic parts are not available anymore.
@@rickyivey8596 that's not good there a cool old tractor! We rented a 1468 one time to put on the Lagoon pump. That thing was an absolute hog. I remember thinking how cool it look because of the V8 engine but I remember how ticked off my dad was because the other tractors you could leave out there for a couple days and this thing you had to bring in every evening for a refill.
You think of how a majority of the guys getting into them cabs also stared at the backside of a horse at some point. Probably thought they were in heaven! And yes compared to them aftermarket cabs that were factory installed these were a heck of a cozy place. But they still are very nice because many many people are still farming with them and many guys are still thankful that they have heat and AC
I’m a big IH fan but the 86 series cabs were not ideal. I feel the major fault for international was not having the power shift option. I love running the 4440 and are 1086. Thanks for the videos!
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 I really appreciate what you do on the channel keep up the good work! I come from a small row crop and livestock farm from Kansas. It’s good to hear from like minded folks!
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 the last moisture we had to speak of was in February. That is very unusual for my location (Scandia KS). The pastures are dry and I hope we get something by the end of the weak.
The amount of cars that surprise me in the opposite lane because of the sound guard jd cab is crazy I hate those cabs a lot and the viz out of them are just pain bad
Just my 2 cents, but I grew up in a 4440 and the “vision obstruction” argument with the door and windshield and muffler is kind’ve b.s. I mean yea, it does block part of your line of sight, but spend enough hours looking out the windshield and your brain kind’ve forgets it’s there. 😅
Hahahaha! You forgot about the battle of GM vs. Ford vs. the once great Chrysler Corporation. We had a 186 Hydro to run a compost turner. I hated sitting in it especially for a long boring job like turning compost. I'll sit in a 4430 all day any day.
I gotta say that I love your sense of humor!!! I was dying when you were getting out of the IH cab going “ooo, ow” I’m a White/Oliver and Allis Chalmers guy myself, but will admit that the JD cab is way better than the 86 series cab. Having to climb over a lever to get in....or those reverse doors....can’t see the hitch without opening the window....no tilt steering....having levers strewn about on your left, front, and right.... I’ll say though that the IH motors were probably the strongest of the day. Much better than the JD 30 series, but JD closed the gap with the 466 in the 40 series. I’m definitely more of a White Field Boss cab guy, or the 8000 series AC’s. The AC 8000 series cabs pretty much set the standard for the modern cab design way back in 1982. Thanks for the entertainment, hope things are going well.
I've personally had a 1086 ih 1066 and still have 4020s 4320 and 4440s they were both great tractors but Deere were a step ahead on technology on engine power and definitely trans and were just a all around better tractor than the 86 Truth hurts some people
You talk about the Quad Range trans in that 30 series, but of course you never mention a word about the PS trans in that 4640. Of all possible "inadequacies" of the three tractors you sat in, the worst has to be only 8 speeds on a 155 hp tractor from the early 1980s! It's hard to believe anybody bought one with that optional trans. IH had 16 speeds since the 06 series, 18 by the 88 series in 1981, and White had 18 since the Oliver 50 series.
it lacked some gears but is a solid trans. when hauling manure tanker with the deere I could easily lap the red tractors a couple times a day, then it wasn't to many days before the pto, TA, or clutch failed. we knew every year we emptied the lagoon there was going to be a 1066 or 1086 in the garage. that powershift is productive, by the late 88 series deere had the 15 speed. they didn't get much hydraulics until the late 86 series, during the farmall era they had one of the best tractors to the 06-86 to be one of the worst on the market. not hard to find many PS tractors over 10k hours and still going strong around us. hard to find a red pre magnum that hasn't had extensive work done. a couple of us are actually looking at some 90's whites/agcos for chore tractors, the 6 thousand series, get a lot of tractor for the buck compared to the red or green. by the early 90's the competition started to catch up and get serious. when the genesis came out and had the funk tranny then john deere sales people had to work for there sale.
I wouldn't say an 8 speed is inadequate. Yes they are a bit jumpy, especially from 6th into 7th and up. But I guarantee they'll last forever. You'll rebuild the motor every 10,000 hours give or take but not the trans. Also I'd rather deal with a jumpy transmission than a 1086 that just gets stuck between gears or just flat out won't go in gear. There's no comparison. 86 series IH were some of the worst tractors ever made and Deere had IH tractors beat 10 or 15 years before the 86 series was even an idea in some mentally challenged IH engineers head, with all do respect of course
Dad had a neighbor loan him a Deere with a Soundguard. Sorry, but he absolutely HATED it because of the cab centerline and the narrow entry. That was compared to a 1566 with IH cable was planting corn with. Don't recall any other complaints. IHC management in the 70s killed what was arguably the superior company in the 50s and 60s.
Sometimes you do wonder what these companies are thinking. Look at the Farmall versus the two cylinders. I don't understand the love of a 2 cylinder? The brake pedals are inconvenient that a weird seat goofy shifting and if you use a hand clutch backing up you better be careful. The farmalls at a smooth little engine quiet and Pepe very comfortable platform ez2drive easy to shift. I have heard of a lot of horror stories with John Deere as of late. I would not buy a brand new John Deere today.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 AGCO might have the best of the new tractors but I wouldn't trust any of the new ones after 10 or 20 years. Electrical nightmares.
Must be worn out but Deeres were the worst for starting in cold weather.... maybe the Case 930 Dad rented way back when was worse. Our neighbor had 4020 Deeres and would borrow Dad's Allis when it was real cold to haul manure because the Deere 4020 wouldn't start. Then they bought a 7040.
Converted my dears over to two 12 volt batteries instead of 6 and put on reduction starters and at 30 degrees my 4020 will pop right off the 4640 will pop right off 4430 with a different injection pump will pop right off. No ether at 30 degrees. Yes there were a lot better starting tractors back then
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 I like the Divide and conquer approach. As a 59 year old I don't think there is a as good of controversy as the red green competition. Too bad for the young farmers
dad is green. this is his 50th year of working on deere tractors. he only works on red tractors of his friends. we both are pretty open minded but the white planter was a real eye opener, being in late model challenger tractors was another coming to god moment also. lots of emotional turmoil happening deep down. lol
By just a few years after the merger, the only thing in the line which had anything to do with Case legacy was the Maxxum tractor. The entire rest of the CaseIH line was IH legacy! Case had nothing to do with any of it besides the name and the money to keep going.
@@TonyM132 Oil money kept them alive. I think Case engineers may have had a hand in the Magnum front and rear axles/wheels..... I don't know that but the previous IH front and rear axles were nothing to brag about. I don't remember much about the 88 series, there were so few around.
@@SilverGleaner You're right about Tenneco's money, but not about the axles. 88 series front and rear axles and rear final drives are not the same as the 66/86 series you're probably thinking of. They are the same from a 5088 series IH to a 7100 series Magnum. The most significant engineering done between 88 series and Magnum was "finishing" the 18-speed STS transmission, making it work as full powershift instead of partial powershift as on the 5088 series. You wrote "Case engineers," but who knows how much of that engineering was done by former Case employees versus former IH employees. I would guess more by IH guys since it was their transmission to begin with. The IH engineering center at Burr Ridge, IL remained with CaseIH and is still part of CNH today in 2021. Other than the trans, they finished the new cab (I've heard/seen that IH already had most features of the new cab, such as the doors and the new shifter/throttle console, made as prototypes before the merger) and switched to the CDC engine based on Case's relationship with Cummins. Besides those three points, a 7140 is basically the same tractor as a 5488, with other minor upgrades. One of those upgrades is the wheels, you are right about them. IH did not offer larger than 38" on the 88s while 7100 Magnums usually have 42" or can also have 46".
Ha Ha, along with White, , Alis Chalmers, Minnie Moline. I think a lot had to do with leadership at the corporate level. Corporate made a ton of bad decisions that led to the demise of what once was the world leader. Sort of like letting Carl Ichan run your company. The end result of this, is that now you really only have 1 major manufacturer, and now folks are dictated what they must buy and how well service is, and what prices you're forced to pay. No competition (unless you factor in Kubota, which is climbing the ranks pretty fast). You want what?? A normal transmission?? Sorry, you can only get those in the -30 hp range. You have to buy IVT (InVesT) But hey.... it's got 3 USB charging ports and an adjustable cup holder. TBH, based on watching a few of these channels where they use primarily JD, I'd be afraid to buy one of the newer ones. Don't think there's been a week go by where they haven't dropped $5000 in parts. Can't recall any of the older tractors bleeding cash at such a rate.
I wanta see a fist fight. Lol The 8030,8050 cab with the fiberglass side sheets I always figured is what John Deere modeled there 7800 style tractors after. The seventy series allis cabs sucked but at least they were better than international lol I like all the old U.S brands though.
@Tyler George but you lost your seat. I used to ride a lot in dad's 190XT on that little made just right padded custom seat to the left rear of the seat. Used my jacket for a pillow. And yes I said 190XT. Dad bought a new 7000 cab and mounted on his 190XT. Still has it. My kids used to ride with me too in the 7050. The smallest one could fit to the right rear of seat on another padded area like the left side. Plenty of foot room in those cabs too vs IH or Deere. Allis black belly series 7000's improved a whole lot on the entry of that cab by putting on steps similar to modern steps on today's tractors. Even had hand railings. Then the 8000 series blew them all away.
What??? Lol. John deere is known for having a great team of hind sight engineers. Meaning that they are very good at taking a successful product from somebody else putting a few tweaks to improve it and now make it their own.
Biggest problem with the deere cab is they get so cluttered with empty ether cans when it gets cold.
I don't know what your talking bout. The IH tractors are the most cold blooded tractors I know. Every IH I've ever tried starting can have the glow plugs engaged for 3 full minutes at a time and it still wehwehwehwehwehs like 50 times before it starts if it even does.
👍. Right off the Assembly line.
In the cold or allis blew so much smoke the fire dept would come because they thought there was a fire. Just Kidding... but they didnt like to start in the cold. They are diesels....
Your seat is fucked up because in my 1086 my knees are nowhere near the wheel and dash. Legs have plenty of room. Super comfy cab I love it
We run a 1086 and me and my dads knees aren’t that that close and I’m 6’2 and my head isn’t even close to being taller to the front of the tractor so idk if the 986 sits lower then the 10s and up
both brands have their advantages and disadvantages. I am an IH guy mainly because of their simplicity and low cost in parts. Have an IH in very series. It's awful nice being able to redo the brakes without having to split the tractor, as well as rebuild the pto, unlike a deere. Their 2 point hitch setup is hands down much heavier and streamline as well. A TA will last much longer as long the operator knows how to use it. Theres def a few other better designs too. Comparing these two cabs I will agree that the rear visibility is much better in the deere. Door wise, sure a rear swinging door seems easier but if you cant figure out how to get in and out of an 86 series cab quick and efficiently then you're just plain lazy or incompetent. Cab room seems about the same when it comes to both in the soundguard and 86 cab. (Speaking in third person, your own self inflicted physical appearance isn't IH's fault) my brother is 6'5" and has nothing to complain about in the 86 cab. (sure the 88 cab is a whole lot roomier). I've yet to have a problem seeing the drawbar, may have to lean back farther but adapt and overcome. John deere lover or IH lover, everyone knows the boxcar magnums were the best made machines...which is, other than the hood and a few other things, an IH design
RE the TA, AMEN! Shift it like you're mad at it or it will fail.
HI capacity makes awesome replacement ta's
Ford never had a problem with there dual power and cab is easy to get in and out of
@@obieacres4676 fords had a lot of trouble with the dual power I can take u to 15 ford tw-15s and 20s that have been parked at 2,000 to 4,000 hours cause the dual power went out and it would cost them more to fix it than it was worth.
@@xade7863 my tw20 has 6000 hours on it and dual power has never failed. Much more reliable then IH ta. I had a tw30 with 8000 hours dual power worked like new. They are proven reliable if you do a little maintenance
Wow. Seeing the inside of this 86 cab brings back memories. My dad bought a new 1586 when I was 9 or 10. I think it was the first year. I think he would have preferred a smaller model, like the 986, but he wound up not being the final decision maker (it was complicated).
So all this is great nostalgia for me. Yep, can’t tell you how many times I rode on that ledge with my dad operating. Because he worked a full time job and farmed after work, we were often running at night. I’d sometimes fall asleep to the soft hum of that big diesel.
So I grew up on that tractor until we lost the farm in 1992. One thing you had to be careful with in the 1586 was it was so strong, if you weren’t careful with the hydraulic brakes, you could tear up the bull gear. Took us going through a couple of them to figure that out. It went out with us one year during planting. And my dad picked up a cabless 1566 at a sale to keep us going while the 86 was in the shop. And we never had bull gear issues with the 66. I think it was slightly lower HP and the brakes weren’t hydraulic. We had an uncle’s 986 on the farm for a while, too, and dad and I kicked ourselves for not buying it from him. It would have been a much better hay tractor than the 1566.
Never had any experience with a JD. And frankly, none of the 86 cab issues you talk about were ever anything I noticed probably for that reason. Neither of the doors were ever in my way. My knees weren’t bumping the controls (and I have very long legs for my 6’ height - very short torso), and even at 12 years old I could back that drawbar right up to the hitch on the implement, even if it did require some flexibility.
So I’m not interested in the debate as to which cab was better. But thanks for this walk down memory lane. These were the greatest years with my dad, who was hit out of nowhere by leukemia and died rather soon after 3 1/2 years ago.
I worked at a CaseIH dealership in parts and at an Allis dealer before that as a mechanic. The IH had lots or rear end problems with the bigger models. The 1566 and 1586 were the same horse power. Maybe the 1586 was turned up in hp? All those IH tractors had poor brakes until the 1566 and 1586 and the big 88 series. Also the 86 series had even more TA troubles than normal because of how the cab affected the shift valve. The fix was to go back to the 66 series set up. The 88 series needed a lot of transmission updates or they would have trouble and I don't think I would own one even with the updates other than to look at because they were IMO the best looking tractor in the 1980's compared to everyone else. The Magnum was based off the 88 series from the inside out and were a much better tractor.
@@SilverGleaner well, we will differ on the 88 look. I thought that long nose thing was about the ugliest thing I ever looked at. I’ll always fall back on the 66 and 86 as the best looking tractors with the 86 nudging out the 66 because the seat forward of the axle shortens the hood. Ride was better, too. But there were advantages to both.
If you learned to be gentle with the brakes, the bull gear wouldn’t bust as easy. I don’t recall ever having a problem with a TA, but I was off at college a few years and don’t remember everything. By the time I was out of college he’d had to sell off everything
@@tannertuner I know the thinking of moving the cab forward was to get a better ride but if I remember correctly, the farmers I talked to at the CaseIH dealership back in the 90's said the 86 series actually rode rougher than the 66 series.
I didn't like running my cousin's 1066 when I used to work for him but I thought it gave a good ride. Terrible controls, poor hydraulics, awful cab, hard to get at the batteries (not as bad as a 4020 with a cab) and hard to fuel up. I used to run a 706 on a square baler and that was a nice ride too, no cab but again terrible controls. BTW Dad's 7000 cab was much better than that 1066. I never really drove an 86 series in the field to compare to a 66.
@@SilverGleaner I will admit it’s been nearly 30 years since we lost the farm and had to sell off everything, but my recollection was that the 86 rode better than the 66. And I operated them both for at least 10 years - we actually had the 86 for several years before picking up the used 66. Maybe it was my perception of the quiet air conditioned cab of the 86 vs the open station 66. It may have been that the seat of the 86 absorbed shock better. And maybe I’m just mistaken. I liked running them both. We never had a big JD other than a 6600 combine so I don’t have anything to compare them to.
Agree with you that the position of the controls on the 66 was less than optimal but that’s where IH had had their controls on all the big tractors up until then. The gear shifters were moved next to the driver seat on the 86, and the throttle lever and TA handle were better positioned too. It was weird getting used to the 66 controls after having started on the 86, but you could do it. You had to reach farther to get to the 66 controls. I never had anything to compare hydraulics to so I guess I wouldn’t know what I was missing.
@@SilverGleaner also, as to the HP, I just seem to recall the 1586 being advertised at about 10 more HP than the 1566. But you’re right, tractordata shows them both with the same motor and tested HP. Our 86 had larger rear tires than the 66. That could have contributed to the rear end problems, too.
The 1486 and 1466 also had the same turbo charged D436 as the 1586/66 but they were 15 HP lower. The 986 also had the D436 but it was not turbocharged. The 966 had the 414, same as the 1086/66, but the 966 wasn’t turbocharged.
So both entire series, other than the 886, used two engines.
Never was in an IH as a kid,but had many hours logged in the old Case 90 series tractors and 4wds that had the rear pad like a bed,used to love watching the plow rip the soil and the dust flying out behind the disk in the 4wds,and the 20-2590s were used for planting,cullimulching,baler and smaller chores. The farm ran doubles of each model,the largest were a pair of 4490s. Miss those old Case tractors,very few around here anymore.
Pressure and flow compensating for IH came in 1981 just before the 88 series. BTW Allis had that system in Jan. 1973. And there is more leg room in the Allis 7000 series by far. No right door though but the Allis 8000 series fixed thar.
Our neighbor had a 7020 allis. Always thought it was a nice tractor.
We run both Case & JD. We have a 8320 that's used on the planter & the grain cart, & a 4555 that we use on the drill & the roller. Our primary tillage tractor is a Case 485. That's where I put the most hours in. I love the cab it has plenty of room. I also like the transmission with its F N R shuttle & the button on the throttle for shifting.
Excellent video man. I'm an IH guy, love most IH equipment. I have grown up operating and fixing both deere and IH alike. At one time, I've had chance to compare a 4640 to a 5288 and I'll take that 5288 any day of the week. Much nicer shifting, I liked the second door and the 5288 imo pulled better then the 4640. That being said I do have a soft spot for deeres 8630, basically grew up in that tractor.
5288 over a 4640?! Your joking right?
@@lukeharpster5671 I'll take an 8050 Allis ;)
@@lukeharpster5671 I can’t blame him, everything he said is true and it’s a much more time and fuel efficient tractor
Beautiful 986 mate.Btw 986s are legendary in Australia for toughness, power and outstanding fuel economy.
Nice! Thanks.
Supposed to back out of the IH or Deere cabs, don’t exit walking forward. My elderly dad took several face plants walking out of his 1086 by exiting facing the wrong way.
Grew up with IH but first tractor my great grand dad bought was an John Deere A and we still have it. Love all those older tractors.
This was just kind of a spoof video. All them old tractors have some sort of cool Factor to them.
I got a kick out of that area of the IH cab that you pointed out for little kids! I spent a lot of hours riding in that area of a brand new 5488 when I was 8 or 9 years old
Soundguard is the best...people complain about the cab post in the line of sight but it never really bothered me but maybe because a 4430 was our first tractor with a cab and I was so happy
I love your 4640..we had one with mfwd
I not a jd guy at all!! But I will admit the sound guard is better than the IH cab. But white had the best cab in the 80s!! Lol
sat in some of them workhorse series at the dealer and thought they were pretty nice.
I would say that the Allis Chalmers 8000 series had the best cab in the 80’s but everyone has different opinions.
Case had the best cab leaps and bounds better then any other company in the 80s
What makes the cab good, sound proof?
@@SpaceExplorer4430 Ease of operation. Less noise is part of it. It really comes down to which tractor is easier to operate. Easier operation means less fatigue, or a fresher operator over the long haul. In this aspect, JD had all other tractors beat and not just because of the cab. JD tractor's were reliable and long lasting. Internationals were cheaper to buy, though. Cheaper and if operated and maintained, Internationals would last just as long as JD. The main differences were ease of operation (cabs) and better hydraulics with the JD until the early 80's. The 88 series International was more competitive with JD in the 80's with more room than the 86's, better layout, hydraulics comparable to JD only cheaper again to buy. No doubt in my mind, JD is a better tractor than International overall for decades. I think all International could hope for is to come in 2nd with market share and they did. In my mind, International has the 2nd best tractor out there next to JD over the years. Same holds true with combines. As of late though, New Holland is competitive and ranking within the top 3.
why am i now only finding this gem of yours??? you bleed green not hard to tell how this one was going to go...lol
Lol. I did that one clearly for clickbait! The old binder crowd gets pretty ruthless online and so I thought I'd make a video to pick on them.
And now I'm in love with a Massey Ferguson. My check book says I can get a lot more tractor for the same money.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 i really like the way you laid out that MF video. economics and effieniency don't seem to be reason enough for some to leave the green cult
thanks. i will still fight a guy to the ground over the old legacy stuff. lol
Grew up with a 1070 which is basically just a cab with a fan in it. So anything else is fancy to me. We had a 6588 as our main tractor for decades. It's just two super fancy binders stuck together. Had to get rid of it after being split for the 5th time to replace the clutch. We replaced that with a Steiger Cougar. Now that there is a cab worth mentioning. Well laid out, roomy, quiet and comfortable. That said, my favourite tractors to this day are the old IH 724 and MH 44. No cabs or fancy things to worry about. Great visibility unless you're kicking up dust with the wind, lol.
You imagine this young generation of farmers having to sit on an open station tractor and open station combine!
Great sense of humor. Lol. The 86 series was in all honesty really well laid out. I actually preferred it to the Deere's of its day. If you knew what you were doing, the transmission was very slick indeed, even going back to the '66 series. I had a 1468 [yes, 68--and that isn't a typo] of that vintage with the deluxe cab which was incredibly roomy. I honestly don't think you are tall enough to have any shortage of headroom in that one and it had excellent visibility including a nice little window to look down on the hitch. Also had many hours in the 3588/3788s and never had any complaints about anything on those old machines. I can't figure out your complaints about the power steering. The steering on all of those IH 66s through 86s was flawless in terms of effort required. It had some other weirdness, but the effort required certainly wasn't noticeably different from the 4640 or 3 series. Yes the T/A was terrible and it was ridiculous that on the 66 series you had to try to add tranny fluid from inside the cab lol. I recall watching in horror as the flexible neck on a metal funnel came detached from the funnel and fell DEEP into the transmission. No mean feat to retrieve it. :-O
Nice post thanks. This is my one clickbait video.
By the time I came along and was driving all this equipment for the neighborhood these machines were already at 5 and 6000 hours and having somewhere. The binders with a loader just did not steer as nice. Loved in 06 or 66 with the shifting column up on the right try to do shuttle work with it. That got old. We had a 1468 here for the fall with the V8. I thought that thing was pretty cool big engine hanging out. My dad couldn't wait for it to leave. Hard on fuel and weak pto. Manure pump tore up a lot of ttactors.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Hate to think of using a 1468 on a loader all day. The utility tractors such as 574, 684 etc. were great for a loader though. The 1466/68s often had the addition of both 540 and 1000 rpm shafts but it was a really bad idea to load it at 540. Used ours and our 1370 Case on a manure pump a lot without grief but it was always a concern to walk away while they ran flat out hour after hour without Murphy switch gauges...
Did you have much trouble mounting the updated step on your loader tractor? I’d like to put one on our 4450 with 148 loader, I’m just not sure if it’ll fit.
We use the John Deere original step kit because the price was not much different than the aftermarket but the way up mounts it's a lot more sturdy. We had Two Notch the loader frame a little bit for it to work but no big deal
Jon Stevens Maple Grove Farms I’ve heard the Deere ones are better quality than the aftermarket ones and not much more money, I’ll have to look into them more, thanks!
Yea but I can rebuild half a dozen TAs for the price of one John Deere’s quad shift.
That’s exactly the point you’ll have to repair half a dozen TAs before one quad
IH had diff locks on the 66 series it was done on your right heel next to the bottom of the bottom hydraulic control sticks.
I was big on IHC until the 86 series came out; you just knew it was pretty much over. The cab door was backwards, it shifted on the left side, the other controls were crude, it rode about like a WD, and still had the junk TA. It was no wonder they went belly up. If you were honest with yourself, you would throw rocks at one of these after driving a 4440.
Lol. Love my farmal letter series tractors. After hauling manure with a 1086 i would need a big wage to do it again.
Amen! Brotha!😂😂😂😂😂
Now Now, don't be slamming the good ole WD tractors :-) I grew up running a WD and grew to love them and restored Dad's old WD. I actually like how I can keep one leg on the platform under the seat and then it's easy to look backwards and still use the hand clutch to stop and go. It's what you get used to I guess. One thing, Dad never had trouble with the WD and we had a dairy farm to run it threw its paces on.
Almost everything that we had on our dairy farm was painted red. Farmall Super C, 460 narrow front, 460 wide front, 656 utility, 826 Hydro Demonstrator, 986, 3388. Lots of New Holland and Gehl implements, wagons etc. Racine Farm Equipment in Racine Minnesota was just 3 miles east of our farm and they got a majority of our business. They lost IH when International was reducing the number of dealerships.
That had to be pretty nice with a store that close
What did you think of the hydro? When I was a kid at John Deere dealer a hydro came in for some tires and I told the guys this would be a slick tractor for loader work and miscellaneous chores.
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We liked the 826 Hydro but we ruined two hydro transmissions getting it stuck and pulling it at a faster speed than the drive wheels were turning. We had the gold hood and fenders painted red before the farm sold. Odd thing about that 826 Hydro was it still had a clutch which had to be depressed to start it.
Oh lord you gave me flashbacks of those tiny foot pads for steps. Raked the crap out of my legs on my dads open station IH 756D many times lol. Still a good running tractor though.
Ha! Deere had the small pads as well, don't know how many times as a kid you have a running start to the Tractor and you're going to make this big leap and when your foot hits the padded slips off and then the pad tears up the back your calf or the front of your shin
2:04 it is so that you do not run over the door by accident
I am a Red guy, so go Red!! LOL I think both companies had things that were better than the other, but I am curious what the price of a new International tractor was as compared to a new Deere back then. Interesting video!!
according to tractor data a 4430 was 23k dollars and the 1066 was 21k dollars.
Now you see why one company is still in business and the other one is not...
lol. yep.
Ih is still in business. Its cih.
@@johndavidstutts actually it's now cnh, which is a subsidiary of fiat.
Well, neither is oliver but they're still beloved.
I grew up on both. We had a late 4430 and 4630 and my grandpa had a 986 and 1086. Deere in my opinion is higher quality and more user friendly. Long story short I still have the Deeres and the ih's got sold to the highest bidder lol.
adjust the F-ing seat, I'm 6-2 and and there is 5 inches between my head and the roof, either your a 8 foot giant or making up some BS for hop and aw. Ran all types and never had any issue with an 86 series.
thanks never thought of moving a seat back.... lol
I'm 6'5" and have a bunch more room in my 1086 than a claustrophobic sound guard
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 that’s probably because the seat you have in it
The seat thing is probably on the aftermarket seat you have in it because theirs a lot of tall people like 6-3 in my family and none of them have problems
Wow amazing :-)
We farmed with 20 series jds and massey's. Both were good . I worked at a ih dealer. There was no manual that said just as tight as you could. The 1566 had planatery axles. Jd had a good product, but seemed very slow to develop new products. The 55 series was no match for the magnum.
Yeah the Magnums were good tractors
I was at deere at the introduction of the 8000 series. The 55 could hold their own but the big advantage case had was the cab. Transmission was a little more efficient as well.
More red in the 70's. took JD a long time to catch them. The shift on the go is what made deere. Lots of deere bleeders up here switching to red because of the high cost of ownership.
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local large farm is on its last deere combine. cant stand that the bearings and parts on the machine from early 2000's made it 4k hours and the replacement parts from china make it 400 hours.
IH mismanagement killed the company that was bigger than Deere in the 60s.
Rumor has it IH had a lot of coke heads in the finance dept skimming a lot of profit out the door laundering tons of money. Who knows if its true. But it was the 80s and greed was good and plenty
@@04tacomaguy1 That is sure possible. I know some dealers took advantage of the company too and IH pulled the plug on them. Our dealer here is a Man and wife team that worked at the Ontario plant and bought a dealership in the early 80's I thought that was kind of cool.
Have both a IH 5288 and Deere 4440, I prefer the cab structure and instrument cluster of the international but the controls and rear visibility definitely go to the deere
International had the diff. Lock as an option for the 56 series.
It was hard to use compared to Allis and Deere.
They must have been arguing for second best in the late 70's early 80's
Still not sold....haha. 3 worst shifting tractors that I came across, IH 86 Series, Ford Selectospeed, and I drove a JD 40-something or other with the column shift, couldn’t figure that thing out for the life of me.
the mystery shift. it was all syncronized so it was easy to shift but you had to learn the pattern. lol
Deere powershift is a refined version of Ford Select-o-speed. Same guy designed both. He left Ford because they were in a hurry to release it and he warned them it was not ready. He left Ford and went to Deere with the improvements. Ford filed a lawsuit. The rest is history.
Never ran an IH, but as soon as I saw all the BS on the right side of the seat, I was instantly appalled. It still baffles me that some new manufactors place controls on the left side of the seat.... It's just not right...
The reason why the cab is so tight is because you are so tall
You must be 7 ft tall or I'm really short haha. I can stretch my legs all the way out in the 86 cab and I usually don't even run the seat all the way back. The shifting is about the only thing I can think of to complain about on the 86 series. I do like the doors on both sides, and I do think the visibility is better (at least forward, albeit I don't think it's that bad backwards I never have to use the stupid little mirror haha.) I like how you sit a bit more forward on the 86 series tractors. The main thing I liked better about the deere is the transmission I think. Definitely superior. I think the IH A/C and heater is better. I do agree those backwards ass doors are annoying. Maybe it was just my cousins particular 4430, but I think the hydraulic seat in the IHs are much much better. The final drives are much much better on the deeres for sure. My friend (who's 1486s I have all my IH experience in) has rebuilt his rear ends several times on both of his 14s. One of his 14s does have a diff lock by the way haha. If your PTO dies on the deere have fun taking half the tractor apart haha. Not so on the IH. The weak frames that would tweak the block on the deeres were definitely an issue. I think the IH was a more heavy duty tractor frame wise. Idk they're both gold tractors, but I think I'm in the IH camp haha.
International was the greatest tractors ever built sure they all had there problems Deere also but as far as the ta's go on the binders it was usually operator error .my 1976 1486 still works fine.
Great review, great humour
Thanks!
Grew up with 56 series and now have a 4430. Had to laugh at your lack of leg room in the 86 - my brother has the same complaint with Deere! I, however , love that 4430.
Yeah, I have rather long legs and don’t recall leg room being a problem in the 86
I know the 86 series had a diff lock
It was not that great of one because you had to hold the pedal down with your foot until you were done using it.
Well duh, your not going to see the draw bar because you are in a IH 86 series tractor, the cab is moved forward because the IH 66 series cabs sat on top of the rear axle, which made for some a rough ride.
What would be a better tractor a 7520 john deere, or a 4840 John deere? (For digging/ plowing
Oh boy, a classic 7520 could put a lot more rubber on the ground, both tractors could be turned up on hp.
I would bet that the 7520 could be set up to pull better, but for cab comfort, parts and service i would take the 4840.
My 4640 and 8450 are not comparable. The 8450 will drag it around all day.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Thank you for answering, I'm 15 years old and planning to be a farmer when I'm older. (I have a family farm) I just bought my first tractor which is a Farmall M, but when I start farming I'm going to try to get a 7520 or a 8430/8630. I wanted a John deere 4430 to be my first big tractor, but they are pretty expensive where I would rather get the 7520 or 8430/8630 for power and price.
Nothing wrong with a farmall M
Them old John Deere's depending on what and how you're going to farm they may be a cheap sticker price but can be very expensive over a five to 10-year. To keep them running.
What kind of farm would you like to have?
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Pretty much farming the land and raising pigs and a few cows, but mainly just growing crops.
@@SpaceExplorer4430 Stay away from those older Deere four wheel drive tractors. They have a lot of troubles. Get an old Steiger. Lots of truck parts in them and so cheaper and easier to repair.
You and your fancy cabs! Lol. We only had open station tractors. Wind in your hair and the constant smell of exhaust is when the real farming happens.
Still use open 4020 for hay work,
I will take that cab all day! Grew up on open station or hot box cabs, cabs with lots of glass but no ac or air flow. Was hotter and dirtier in the cab. lol
Nice tractors and 8820 in background?
PS: they make these things called trash cans lol. Gonna watch some more of your videos
Lol i am a clutter bug.
Yes 8820!
Thanks for joining!
Muffler/air cleaner were in line with the front cab post.
They were just a cramped cab but after running a 4755 quite a bit the post thing is not really a problem. If you sit in the center of the cab the muffler, air cleaner and post do take a little more area from your sight line but it's not a big deal. I like my 7050 cab better. That cab is not as small as people claim and it is very quiet for its time and the windows open real wide.
To the video guy: Either you're 6' 8" or the seat was NOT all the way back. The hitch on the 86 series is not as visible from the operator's station as the JD but it IS visible if you lean back just a little farther. I never used the mirror when hooking up wagons. Yes the door is backwards on the 86 series but it isn't any more difficult to enter than the JD. In fact I think entrance is easier on the IH vs the JD. The JD door opening is narrower and you have to turn around almost 180 degrees to sit down. The JD cab is tiny in comparison to the IH. The IH has enough room for a right hand door. No practical place for even a lunch box in the JD. The IH cab is quieter and has full glass on the front window. Plus there is only a narrow stack above the hood and no air cleaner. The muffler is actually under the hood. Those 414 and 436 IH engines were good in cold weather starting. Some people cuss the TA but it gives you a high and low in every single gear. 86 series along with 56 and 06 series have both 1000 and 540 PTO shafts out the back end. On the JD you have to swap between the two. Hydraulic assisted clutch on the IH, making is much easier to push in than the JD. Much larger fuel tank on the IH than JD.
JD has Synchro transmission and much easier to shift from 1 to 4. Better hydraulics although the later 86 series came with a closed center system like the JD. Better visibility to the hitch which was good for cultivating. However that put the cab right above the rear wheels, giving it a rougher ride than the IH. More comfortable seat in the JD. The post in the middle of the front window didn't really bother me as before the days of GPS you spent more time looking to the side than straight ahead and we never planted with ours. But I did prefer the one piece window on the IH.
IH went to the synchro trans in the 88 series but it still did not shift as well as the JD. LMH ranges with 6 speeds but it was actually 3 speeds with power shift between 1-2, 3-4, 5-6. It's too bad they weren't made with a PS from 1-6. That one thing would have made it a much better tractor. The 88's were not balanced as well as the older 86's. The forward air flow did not work well. If IH could have held on just another year or so and introduced the Magnum series (which was IH's design and would have been their next generation) they would have made it.
I grew up with only IH tractors so I still like them. However today, we are all JD for our main field tractors. I've owned a CIH MX 220, then traded it for a CIH 260, and traded that for a JD 8260R. Today I'll take JD over CIH all day long. A more user friendly tractor. The one thing I wish JD had that CIH as is the hydraulic clutch.
Does anyone agree with me that a lot of the radios in tractors today are crap compared to what we had in the 80s?
Good right up. Not far from 6'8" lol
I miss the old am shows that came on after dark that had alien talk and conspiracy talk. Coast to coast?
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Coast to Coast AM with George Noory. Had some wacky shows for sure.
If IH was ran like Allis Chalmers was, and I suspect they were, a good Magnum tractor probably still would not have saved them. Look at the Allis 8000 series that came out in December 1981. Great tractors with a cab that set the standard for everyone even up to today but it couldn't save the company due to mismanagement that started in the 1970's or even 60's. Too many other things they were into that lost money and lots of government contracts that got cancelled in the late 70's.
@@SilverGleaner We'll never know! But there is something to be said about the CIH first Magnum series tractors: IMO, when they were introduced in about 1987??? they were the best tractors on the market until Deere introduced their 8000 series. The row crop Magnums had a Cummins 505 and the only company to offer powershift transmission that was standard on the large frame models (7100 series). No other company at that time had a PST that was standard. Their cab was far superior to JD's as it was much quieter and bigger. They were the first to move the exhaust stack out of the way to the corner of the cab. They had a hydraulic clutch which was in their 50 series tractors.
Of course we'll never know but that's why I think that tractor could have saved them. You mentioned management and I agree, particularly with the design of the 86 series tractors. While they were very reliable and much better than the previous 66 series, they still stuck with the old non-synchro transmission. That is one area where they let Deere and Case pass them by.
@@66limelight I'm going to be a little long on my response.....IMO the Magnum was the first power shift that matched the durability of the Allis power shift. The Allis power shift was beefy and when I was at mechanics school way back I saw the Deere power shift from a 46 or 4840 setting on the same bench with the Allis power shift as the teacher was going through both with the class. It wasn't even close. Allis was definitely a beefier unit.
BTW Allis was working on an 18 speed power shift at the time of their demise. It was due to go into production in 1986. A new tractor model was due to come out then too. Some internal company memos numbered the new model the 8095 some say it was going to be 90xx to reflect more closely the PTO hp of over 200. The 8010 = 110 hp, 8030 = 130, 8050 = 150, 8070 = 170, and the 8095 would signify only 195 hp. The new model would have been the biggest 2wd tractors built in the industry with over 200 PTO hp. The late Norm Swinford, a 30 year Allis Chalmers Marketing Department employee, wrote about the prototypes in a book he published.
There are still two prototypes running today and at least two carcasses around. The two running are equipped with Power Director transmissions rather than the 18 speed power shift and I think one has a Deutz and maybe one has a Cummins. None came with an engine when sold. No one seems to know where the power shift transmissions ended up. The owners of the prototypes had to piece the prototypes back together from a pile of parts they bought at the Allis proving grounds when Deutz sold out nearly everything by auction. The prototypes are also decaled as 8070's but they are clearly longer tractors and have a wheelbase of 120 inches vs 106. At least four used a Komatsu engine which Komatsu retrieved from Allis at some point. Allis was exploring buying an engine because producing their own was getting too expensive. I've read that they even considered Mack engines at one time which I think would have been awesome.
Here is a picture of one of the prototypes where you can see how the engineers just piecemealed the hoods to make them longer. www.flickr.com/photos/21169515@N08/3561365002/
Well they're all good when they are running! Lol Not worth anything when you're not.
You must be fairly tall. I am 6'5" and plant and spray with a 986. I think i have more room in the cab than you do haha. I do not like crawling over the shifter in and out. I only use the left door after many hours in a 4440 with just the left side door. I have not ran a sound gard cab in a while I would probably find an issue with that too haha.
I drove a John Deere 6910 last week loved the power quad
Farmall Fanatic if it's red leave it in the shed
@@JamesOBrien2253 Because GREEN MEANS GO!
i got international it has got small cab my dad cant fit in it belly rubs on steerin weel but brill engins its been good to me
I heared some saying to some one : " did you know why Farmall an IH have had red paint? No, i've no clou? It's because the mechanic can find em better on the field!"
Was that the truth?
Ha! You could say it on any color.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 i got nothing to do with farming (helped sometimes on a little farm as a teen and very interested in farm equipment from around the 1970, JOHN DEERE forage harvesters the most) . Now only watching at farm shows.
I realy like your chanal. Watching you wrench on JD Powershift and explain the steering orbital .....you mak us feel we could do that too.
Many thanks and go on like that👍
@frankr.1594 well thank you very much for stopping by. I appreciate hearing people's stories
there is literally a difflock in that 986
We had a IH 1586 and a JD 4640 and the 1586 would pull noticeably more than the 4640. The 4640 did ride better. We also had a Massey 2805 and it had the nicest cab much bigger and very operator friendly and it would pull like a freight train and smoke like one. The only problem the transmission went out every month. Now I run all Case IH
I always wondered about them Massey's. I think that old Perkins V8 would be pretty cool!
Jon Stevens Maple Grove Farms they used a lot more fuel than JD or IH. The best I can remember probably 25 % to 30 % more in a 12 hr day. We changed ours from 24 speed power shift transmission to a standard 8 speed and we had no more problems. The cabs were very large compared to other companies. The big down fall was the engines on the V8 Massey’s were shot at about 3000 hrs. I have a friend who has one and he told me last week the engine and drive train and hydraulic parts are not available anymore.
@@rickyivey8596 that's not good there a cool old tractor! We rented a 1468 one time to put on the Lagoon pump. That thing was an absolute hog. I remember thinking how cool it look because of the V8 engine but I remember how ticked off my dad was because the other tractors you could leave out there for a couple days and this thing you had to bring in every evening for a refill.
I think both of those cabs were way ahead of there times, in mean that was good compared to the older cabs of ih and Deere
You think of how a majority of the guys getting into them cabs also stared at the backside of a horse at some point. Probably thought they were in heaven! And yes compared to them aftermarket cabs that were factory installed these were a heck of a cozy place.
But they still are very nice because many many people are still farming with them and many guys are still thankful that they have heat and AC
Just make sure your deeres get in the shed at night so it starts in the morning
I’m a big IH fan but the 86 series cabs were not ideal. I feel the major fault for international was not having the power shift option. I love running the 4440 and are 1086.
Thanks for the videos!
It was meant to be just for fun. But I did have to delete a couple comments. LOL
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 I really appreciate what you do on the channel keep up the good work! I come from a small row crop and livestock farm from Kansas. It’s good to hear from like minded folks!
Thank you very much for stopping by. Are you in a drought this spring?
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 the last moisture we had to speak of was in February. That is very unusual for my location (Scandia KS). The pastures are dry and I hope we get something by the end of the weak.
@@braydencarlgren1904 good luck this spring!
The Classic Ford tractors had everything right 😊. Everything
At the time I bet noone would have complained if a new TW tractor was left on their door step.
Id still take a Ford blue say 8700 or 9700 over the red or green machines .
How tall you have ?
I am about 6 foot 5 inches.
The amount of cars that surprise me in the opposite lane because of the sound guard jd cab is crazy I hate those cabs a lot and the viz out of them are just pain bad
Just my 2 cents, but I grew up in a 4440 and the “vision obstruction” argument with the door and windshield and muffler is kind’ve b.s. I mean yea, it does block part of your line of sight, but spend enough hours looking out the windshield and your brain kind’ve forgets it’s there. 😅
Made my day! My father in law has a 1586 and i bust his balls on all the same things!!!!
Lol
Hahahaha! You forgot about the battle of GM vs. Ford vs. the once great Chrysler Corporation. We had a 186 Hydro to run a compost turner. I hated sitting in it especially for a long boring job like turning compost. I'll sit in a 4430 all day any day.
Good one lotta action on this one
Lol red green War!😂👍
I gotta say that I love your sense of humor!!! I was dying when you were getting out of the IH cab going “ooo, ow”
I’m a White/Oliver and Allis Chalmers guy myself, but will admit that the JD cab is way better than the 86 series cab. Having to climb over a lever to get in....or those reverse doors....can’t see the hitch without opening the window....no tilt steering....having levers strewn about on your left, front, and right....
I’ll say though that the IH motors were probably the strongest of the day. Much better than the JD 30 series, but JD closed the gap with the 466 in the 40 series.
I’m definitely more of a White Field Boss cab guy, or the 8000 series AC’s. The AC 8000 series cabs pretty much set the standard for the modern cab design way back in 1982.
Thanks for the entertainment, hope things are going well.
Thanks for the wonderful addition!
Because I'm a Allis nut I must tell you the 8000 series came out in December of 1981 :-)
I've personally had a 1086 ih 1066 and still have 4020s 4320 and 4440s they were both great tractors but Deere were a step ahead on technology on engine power and definitely trans and were just a all around better tractor than the 86 Truth hurts some people
john deere is a ok tractor. Case is a ok tractor. but booth get scared when i show up at a tractor pull with my Co-op.
Lol! Not just scared, probably run and hide!
Buda engine?
Don’t forget about the hydro internationals
Good or bad?
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 good I like them o have drove several as long as you know how to operate them safely
If u couldn't plow cotton in a sound guard cab jd.. Shouldn't be farming! 😂😂😂
I plowed cotton for years in a sound guard cab with no marker.. Had no issues😎 go green!
You talk about the Quad Range trans in that 30 series, but of course you never mention a word about the PS trans in that 4640. Of all possible "inadequacies" of the three tractors you sat in, the worst has to be only 8 speeds on a 155 hp tractor from the early 1980s! It's hard to believe anybody bought one with that optional trans. IH had 16 speeds since the 06 series, 18 by the 88 series in 1981, and White had 18 since the Oliver 50 series.
it lacked some gears but is a solid trans. when hauling manure tanker with the deere I could easily lap the red tractors a couple times a day, then it wasn't to many days before the pto, TA, or clutch failed. we knew every year we emptied the lagoon there was going to be a 1066 or 1086 in the garage. that powershift is productive, by the late 88 series deere had the 15 speed. they didn't get much hydraulics until the late 86 series, during the farmall era they had one of the best tractors to the 06-86 to be one of the worst on the market.
not hard to find many PS tractors over 10k hours and still going strong around us. hard to find a red pre magnum that hasn't had extensive work done.
a couple of us are actually looking at some 90's whites/agcos for chore tractors, the 6 thousand series, get a lot of tractor for the buck compared to the red or green.
by the early 90's the competition started to catch up and get serious. when the genesis came out and had the funk tranny then john deere sales people had to work for there sale.
I wouldn't say an 8 speed is inadequate. Yes they are a bit jumpy, especially from 6th into 7th and up. But I guarantee they'll last forever. You'll rebuild the motor every 10,000 hours give or take but not the trans. Also I'd rather deal with a jumpy transmission than a 1086 that just gets stuck between gears or just flat out won't go in gear. There's no comparison. 86 series IH were some of the worst tractors ever made and Deere had IH tractors beat 10 or 15 years before the 86 series was even an idea in some mentally challenged IH engineers head, with all do respect of course
you loook tall....how tall are you
I am only 6'4"
The 86 series cab was a 1000 percent better than the 66 series cab otherwise it was the same tractor
Well, there was an advantage hooking up and seeing what’s going on behind you with the 66. Otherwise, I completely agree.
Dad had a neighbor loan him a Deere with a Soundguard. Sorry, but he absolutely HATED it because of the cab centerline and the narrow entry. That was compared to a 1566 with IH cable was planting corn with. Don't recall any other complaints. IHC management in the 70s killed what was arguably the superior company in the 50s and 60s.
Sometimes you do wonder what these companies are thinking. Look at the Farmall versus the two cylinders. I don't understand the love of a 2 cylinder? The brake pedals are inconvenient that a weird seat goofy shifting and if you use a hand clutch backing up you better be careful. The farmalls at a smooth little engine quiet and Pepe very comfortable platform ez2drive easy to shift. I have heard of a lot of horror stories with John Deere as of late. I would not buy a brand new John Deere today.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Dad doesn't think much of the post-"Boxcar" Magnum up through a few years ago.
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 AGCO might have the best of the new tractors but I wouldn't trust any of the new ones after 10 or 20 years. Electrical nightmares.
the 5020 john deere back in the day would not start after coming back from dinner break without ether
Lol! Got your money's worth out of them piston rings
Must be worn out but Deeres were the worst for starting in cold weather.... maybe the Case 930 Dad rented way back when was worse. Our neighbor had 4020 Deeres and would borrow Dad's Allis when it was real cold to haul manure because the Deere 4020 wouldn't start. Then they bought a 7040.
Converted my dears over to two 12 volt batteries instead of 6 and put on reduction starters and at 30 degrees my 4020 will pop right off the 4640 will pop right off 4430 with a different injection pump will pop right off. No ether at 30 degrees.
Yes there were a lot better starting tractors back then
Lmfao!!! JD power!!💪💪
Remember farms are green TRACTORS are RED!!!
Somebody just anti red sounds like too me
love my farmalls! but after growing up running 66 and 86 series on manure tanks you bet I hate them. lol
Go IH
If a youtuber wanted to get more subscribers this video is a poster child on how to do it! Go Red! Lol
Lol!
I'm not very good at the UA-cam game
@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 I like the Divide and conquer approach. As a 59 year old I don't think there is a as good of controversy as the red green competition. Too bad for the young farmers
I think the ford q cab is better than both of them
You must be a big guy like my dad my dad is 6’4
Brady Westall yep.
How is your dad a red guy and youre not? P.S. youre not that big, plenty of room in the 986 cab for you 😁
dad is green. this is his 50th year of working on deere tractors. he only works on red tractors of his friends. we both are pretty open minded but the white planter was a real eye opener, being in late model challenger tractors was another coming to god moment also. lots of emotional turmoil happening deep down. lol
Jon Stevens Maple Grove Farms I thought you said that 986 was his?
No I'm sorry if it came across that way. It's one of his buddies. If there was ever any repair work to be done to the Tractor dad did it for the guy.
U post get in on the 🐀 sad on ih
Great review it now makes sense why international was always knocking John Deere they should've called them intertrashnals and for good reason
I think the 806/4020 argument has been going on longer!
The1850x2 lol. Funny you say that because several weeks ago I was down in a customer's place and he brought that argument up.
The farmall super m and jd 620 is the oldest argument lol
We have a 4630 and a 1486. I like the jd better
That was entertaining. How tall are you? Looks like you've got long legs. Shame you couldn't compare the ford's of the time.
Lol 6'5"
John Deere RULES
Deere without a question is and was always build better
If it wasnt for my boys at tenneco and CASE..... ih would be nothing but a memory.... I'll gladly take my case any day 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Also if it wasent for IH case would have dissolved with the junk they had other than loaders. Tenneco had already bailed them out.
By just a few years after the merger, the only thing in the line which had anything to do with Case legacy was the Maxxum tractor. The entire rest of the CaseIH line was IH legacy! Case had nothing to do with any of it besides the name and the money to keep going.
@@TonyM132 Oil money kept them alive. I think Case engineers may have had a hand in the Magnum front and rear axles/wheels..... I don't know that but the previous IH front and rear axles were nothing to brag about. I don't remember much about the 88 series, there were so few around.
@@SilverGleaner You're right about Tenneco's money, but not about the axles. 88 series front and rear axles and rear final drives are not the same as the 66/86 series you're probably thinking of. They are the same from a 5088 series IH to a 7100 series Magnum.
The most significant engineering done between 88 series and Magnum was "finishing" the 18-speed STS transmission, making it work as full powershift instead of partial powershift as on the 5088 series. You wrote "Case engineers," but who knows how much of that engineering was done by former Case employees versus former IH employees. I would guess more by IH guys since it was their transmission to begin with. The IH engineering center at Burr Ridge, IL remained with CaseIH and is still part of CNH today in 2021.
Other than the trans, they finished the new cab (I've heard/seen that IH already had most features of the new cab, such as the doors and the new shifter/throttle console, made as prototypes before the merger) and switched to the CDC engine based on Case's relationship with Cummins.
Besides those three points, a 7140 is basically the same tractor as a 5488, with other minor upgrades. One of those upgrades is the wheels, you are right about them. IH did not offer larger than 38" on the 88s while 7100 Magnums usually have 42" or can also have 46".
@@TonyM132 I believe that
International Harvester: PROUDLY OUT OF BUSINESS since 1985.
Ha Ha, along with White, , Alis Chalmers, Minnie Moline. I think a lot had to do with leadership at the corporate level. Corporate made a ton of bad decisions that led to the demise of what once was the world leader. Sort of like letting Carl Ichan run your company.
The end result of this, is that now you really only have 1 major manufacturer, and now folks are dictated what they must buy and how well service is, and what prices you're forced to pay. No competition (unless you factor in Kubota, which is climbing the ranks pretty fast). You want what?? A normal transmission?? Sorry, you can only get those in the -30 hp range. You have to buy IVT (InVesT) But hey.... it's got 3 USB charging ports and an adjustable cup holder.
TBH, based on watching a few of these channels where they use primarily JD, I'd be afraid to buy one of the newer ones. Don't think there's been a week go by where they haven't dropped $5000 in parts. Can't recall any of the older tractors bleeding cash at such a rate.
funny how late model deere guys talk about how great there dealer is. late model gleaner guys or agco guys talk about how they like there equipment.
no ih lastmade tractor was buildt 1992 id was ah 1455 and case hase built that tractor til 1995
Neither compared to the Allis 8000 cab. Then they fell victim to Duetz...
It not a b c d ih have 1234 gr for real man daving 😁
I wanta see a fist fight. Lol The 8030,8050 cab with the fiberglass side sheets I always figured is what John Deere modeled there 7800 style tractors after. The seventy series allis cabs sucked but at least they were better than international lol I like all the old U.S brands though.
mr Bill the only thing wrong about 7000 series cab was they were to narrow for 2 guys
the neighbor had a 7020 allis. it was probably the most quiet cab in the neighbor hood.
@Tyler George but you lost your seat. I used to ride a lot in dad's 190XT on that little made just right padded custom seat to the left rear of the seat. Used my jacket for a pillow. And yes I said 190XT. Dad bought a new 7000 cab and mounted on his 190XT. Still has it.
My kids used to ride with me too in the 7050. The smallest one could fit to the right rear of seat on another padded area like the left side. Plenty of foot room in those cabs too vs IH or Deere. Allis black belly series 7000's improved a whole lot on the entry of that cab by putting on steps similar to modern steps on today's tractors. Even had hand railings. Then the 8000 series blew them all away.
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Im a case guy but johndeere is a copy cat
What??? Lol. John deere is known for having a great team of hind sight engineers. Meaning that they are very good at taking a successful product from somebody else putting a few tweaks to improve it and now make it their own.