I remember 6 year old me walking through my Dad's cold storage shed and seeing a John Deere 4430, Case IH 7110 and a Case 2590. As a child for some reason that white tractor drew my attention the most. Although I spent the most time riding in the 7110 with my Dad. Then growing up they had newer John Deere and Case IH tractors but that 2590 Case is what always stuck in my mind the most. I am not here to argue over the best, cause they all have done great over the years.
Not to many in my area, most are parked in the weeds. I work for a Deere dealership and we won't work on them it's cheaper to park them. 8000 series and newer, only
I bought a 2294 in 1990 with 2200 hours, traded it in 1995 with 4900 hours . Was a great tractor to drive. All I spend on repairs was 2 new front tires and a PTO seal. Yes a John Deere has higher resale value.
Case calling jd's horse power artificial was a low blow lol,, the jd's would piss that power out without any black smoke or getting hot. They were no where near their limit on the 7.6
@@BeingMe23 agreed, the case was a lovely tractor and the 8.3 motor in my opinion brilliant, loads of potential in her, old school is gold school, the jd 7.6 with the charge cooler had the edge
@@SilverGleaner helo chap, the non turbo jd's were gutless but I must say with a turbo they did pull well, I used many old and new, the one I was most impressed with was a 3650 and a pump tweak, she was 146 on the shaft and went very well, as well as a tw15 f140 case 1255 etc, once again its only my opinion and am OK with you thinking I am wrong,
@@alanchatfield4271 I'm speaking mostly about the 30 series as in 4030, 4230, 4630 and so on and the 40 series like 4240 4450 etc were better luggers but in my opinion not great luggers. I've never heard of a 3650.
@@davehughesfarm7983 Allis Power Shift down shifted too when you pushed in the clutch. Was not a problem. Blowing snow in reverse was bad for Case Power Shift because the lube pump ran backwards in reverse. But the 94 series Case wasn't too bad. They had a lot of the bugs worked out.
Funny on some of the things they were bragging about, Allis Chalmers had already done dating back to 1973. I didn't realize that the Deere 404 was apparently a truck design....?
He didn't read up on John Deere history..... The 4o4 was built from the ground up as early with the decision to create a New Generation of Deeres in the early 1950's.....
@@Ihfarmer23 yeah they definitely brought some great innovations to the farm industry. I have my brand preferences, but I can find good points in almost any older tractor of any brand. I definitely ain’t a fan of this newer stuff though.
In the day 25 against any color was no comparison pulling disc etc through field, if radiator is somewhat clean, no heating problems, when case starts smoking, red or green would have choked off!!! Diff lock n power shift n unbelievable torque get through wet spots, shift up when starting to spin, tires clean n away you go!! Fuel economy was good too, 1370 was first fo beat jd730 diesel
Put 4000 hrs on a 2 wheel drive 2394 years ago, when doing heavy pulling it would burn 15 plus Canadian gallons of fuel an hours plus 1.5 mph slower than our other tractors plus no lugging power at all. The seat should be in a hall of fame somewhere for being the most uncomfortable seat ever put in a tractor. Thinking back now I actually find it impressive that case designed and had the audacity to sell such a worthless POS.
Case is ok but nothing runs like a deere this salesman is nothing more than a salesman trying to put case out in front but john deere iron horses are legendary
im olny 8 years old olso on the farm that i live on has a 2290 from case i think its an 1980s model and the farm that i live on we qiht farming and we farm near the turtle motins
@@J-1410 The real Maxxums are now McCormick branded. Fiat had to sell that line and the Genesis line in order for the US government to allow Fiat to buy CaseIH.
As an European viewer this is some real fun to watch becaus you americans never understanded that Fendt is the only brand that built a good and reliable powershift. They were kicking youre asses then and now there doing if again because american tractor manufacturers cant even build an nice and reliable cvt. History repeats it's self. Only this time some americans see that theres nothing above a Fendt.
A little American history here, oliver was developing a cvt in the 70s, but it got killed by white when they bought them. That same design was used by fendt in the 90s after agco bought them. (They bought both oliver and fendt) the design was a planetary style cvt which is still patented today, and thats why nobody else can touch it. While oliver never had a full powershift, they started a partial powershift in the 60s and used it all the way through white. It was a very strong and reliable design with many still running today. I've always wondered what would have happened if oliver went through with the cvt. But I guess we'll never know. You're not wrong though, I always thought if I buy new it would be a fendt, they seem we'll put together. (Plus they're partially oliver design right? 😉)
@@mstr-farms257 have to admit that I didn't now oliver had a hand in the development of the vario transmissions. but what i want to say is that you americans are always case vs deere because you have never owned a fendt the good old truboshift were the best powershifts ever.
Fendt never had a Full Powershift. The Turboshift is a simple partial Powershift from ZF. It is reliable but not really better than the PowrQuad from Deere or the PPS in the Maxxum. In fact the Fendt shifts very delayed and also needs the Clutch to change direction. By the way, the same Transmission was used by Deutz-Fahr.
@@teunschouten5276 kinda sad that you actually think a CVT is superior to all other transmissions when they are some of the worst for actual pulling. What they are good for is power loss.
Ran a 3294 MFWD Tractor back in the late 80’s early 90’s. It was a nice driving quiet tractor, pulled a soil saver in hard clay. I remember having to watch the exhaust temperatures. They still have the tractor today, don’t know how many thousands of hours are on it now, well over 10K, probably closer to 20K.
While white built tractors they had the heaviest rear end used in a row crop tractor the 2-135 on up had 24 and 3/4 inch ring gear and had 4and 1/2 in axles
We had a 4650 and a 2394 and both were 160 + hp and then we had 2-135 white at 137 hp and on the plow or chisel or 25 ft Krause disc neither one could work with my white and it was 20 hp less
Removable side sheets, easy access to radiator, belts, air filter etc, swing out batteries, inverted oil filters, pressure and flow compensated hydraulics, opposed intake and exhaust manifolds, alternating exhaust and intake valves, dry socket 540/1000 pto shaft.... all things Allis Chalmers had in 1973 or earlier depending on the feature. Plus the Allis 8000 series cab is so much more comfortable and roomy than any other at that time.
@@ilsmawandfarm1767 Well the 7080 was, at the time, the most powerful row crop tractor built, as was the D21 when it was introduced. The 220 was right in the game and so was the 8550 and 4W305. Allis built engines with great torque rise for the time. A 190XT had better Torque rise than pretty much any other tractor in its horse power class and it did it with a fairly small cubic inch engine. Then there are the Allis dozer engines that set records at Nebraska test for pulling ability. Drop a 516 cid Allis dozer engine in a Case 2590 or Deere 4840 and watch for the inevitable drive train wreckage to occur. Allis knew how to build power.
@@ralphllivrah9551 Dumb luck cause it can't be the features of the Deere. Seriously though, there is a long story behind the fall of Allis Chalmers and it has little to do with their product line quality or features.
We just bought a 4630 this year and put about 50hrs on it so far absolutely love it I drove a 2394 for my uncle and that thing is junk... I would take my older Deere anyday over that case
I liked the Case steering better, especially in row crop. Deere was fine just has a goofy steering ratio. I guess the Case had better visibility, but I sure enjoyed riding in the JD more. JD used more fuel too. Got really tired of fiddling with the Case power shift... like every year or two. Lost one Case transmission... so that wiped out any fuel savings.
I've never liked the Deere cab. No room for even a lunch bucket and if the air doesn't work the heat from the engine will roast a person being the engine is so close to the cab. Steps are terrible too. Unlike most anti Deere folks, I really don't consider the front cab post a deal breaker..... it's the rest of the cab and the terrible serviceability of the general tractor that steers me away. From hood removal, fuel tank position, battery locations, 540/1000 pto swap, air filter location, oil filter position, and good luck getting at that hydraulic pump when the time comes. What I like? Not much with the 30 series or 40 series but the 50 series on up through the 60 series I do like the 15 speed power shift.... the rest I could take it or leave it.
uncle still has 2390 and we still have a herd of deeres..Matter of fact brother and me were both working ground and planting in 45 year old tractors.. 4430/4630 also have 4440 and 4640
I didnt drive these exact models but did thousands of hours on JD4640 and Case 2390 from new.They both worked well though the cab on the Case was much quieter than the Deere.
Every manufacturer will talk about their product in an endearing way and will embellish their products abilities!..Case were masters at it but the truth is they were terrible tractors and resale value will prove that!..but I still like the old tractors and many farmers are running them to this day!..
Omg, I haven’t laughed this hard in quite some time. If Case engineers were so great, then how on earth did come build such a POS power shift transmission? Luckily history had shown us the real winner of this little comparison.
I am not to familiar with Case powershifts ,did they breakdown a lot? My cousin had one of these series Case's and sold it pretty quick,maybe that's why .
@@interman7715 I only ran there power shift for a few days for a neighbor. In a panic situation slamming on the clutch results in the tractor abruptly downshifting and trying to put the operator through the windshield .
Wonder how many customers this lost for Case? Not a Deere guy, but Deere is still owned by Deere and co....Case is owned by the Italians now...so must have been enough....
@@oscaracme Not stupid at all. They both cater to the stock holders. What difference does it make if it's so-called American owned or Italian owned. They are both globalist companies. Notice I said globalist and not global. There is a difference.
@@SilverGleaner yes, it was stupid. the stockholders are the owners.....who should they cater to? Where do those globalist companies pay the bulk of their corporate taxes to....the country of Global? (hint, Deere pays to US treasury, CNH pays in Italy and AGCO pays in to Germany...etc)
Funny, funny, the cases were junk, worked on them..see which one will bring more money today...case power shifts were cheaper because it was cheaper, and did not last...
Anyone else have an idea of the year of this video I'm thinking early 1984 to maybe mid 1984 at least before case bought IH because these tractors are still white
We had a 2394 and a 2594 and a few 4440s and 2 4640s the case motor had more power and run cheaper than the 466 other than that they were in the field side by side every day
No Comments about the round cab and the excuse of a way to get in? No comments saying it was better either. I guess that means everyone agrees on one thing: they weren't anything to brag about.
The 466 engine was an International tractor engine adapted for trucks. It was built by the thousands and lasted up to the 2000’s. Worked only many in school buses. It was the easiest and most durable engine I have ever worked on. Cummins and Detroit diesel.
Is this the German Neuss engine that was put into everything from trucks to Tractors?. They were the only engine built heavy enough in main ends to take after market turbocharger. Neuss diesels Never change since the 1930's when they were designed and made but they were finished in 1990's when they cannot meet emissions standards.
It’s not the same engine. The 404 was bored out to fit Cummins pistons in it by a tractor puller. The tractor was the Cajun queen two. Deere bought the motor which became the 466. Had nothing to do with truck manufacturing. The video is inaccurate. Originally the tractor puller tried to put 5020 pistons I. But we’re to big. Dealers name was sydenstricker I believe. Famous tractor and the the 466 would out last cases motor all day long. Funny in the 4x4 video they say jd is to heavy and in this video they claim they’re not heavy enough. I’m not sure what this guys on but he needs up the dosage or go to rehab. Lol
Actually Cases sell for more then John Deere's. Also John Deere is less of a friend of farmers nowadays simply because they have massive issues with allowing farmers to repair equipment. Also building a monopoly on repair. John Deere ripped off Bid bud and even stole the Quadtrac design. John Deere has become the backseat apple inventor. stealing products that already exists and not listening to there own customers.
They have a Good Marketing team thats why. They could sell Toilet paper & you would think they were Better then Everybody. Get over Your Ego. There is More to the World then the Over priced ,Overrated Green & Yellow Paint. Everybody has Good & bad Products. So many of you cant see past the Paint & Name. I get so Tired of Hearing you People Praise Deere for Everything that Everybody Else had Way Before them. They come up with it & they are on top of the World. Give me a Break.
@@cameronvelthuis1844 Maybe back in those days. But Cases and Internationals were built far better. Most are still around farming today. Regardless those were the days of the past. Most farmers now turn to buying older lightly used equipment since the new stuff is to expensive to afford. medium.com/@tractorgyan123/top-5-most-expensive-tractors-in-the-world-and-know-what-sets-them-apart-4cb061e72b4a Tractors were always great. Each one had there strong suits and things that made them unique. But it's about what companies continue to back the consumer and which decide to gouge the consumer. most farmers pick a brand that they have good dealer relations with anyhow.
I worked at a case ih dealer in the early 90s the 504 was a damn good engine. The deere trans left a lot to be desired. I thought the 88 series IH was a better tractor but the case was still ahead of jd at the time
I agree. The ride of the Deere was really nice at the time. I was a kid and loved the power of 1586. Wouldn’t want to ride in that short wheel based baby now though.
I remember 6 year old me walking through my Dad's cold storage shed and seeing a John Deere 4430, Case IH 7110 and a Case 2590. As a child for some reason that white tractor drew my attention the most. Although I spent the most time riding in the 7110 with my Dad. Then growing up they had newer John Deere and Case IH tractors but that 2590 Case is what always stuck in my mind the most. I am not here to argue over the best, cause they all have done great over the years.
LOL still see those John Deere working on the fields...
Not to many in my area, most are parked in the weeds. I work for a Deere dealership and we won't work on them it's cheaper to park them. 8000 series and newer, only
I like these old retro sales videos.
I bought a 2294 in 1990 with 2200 hours, traded it in 1995 with 4900 hours . Was a great tractor to drive. All I spend on repairs was 2 new front tires and a PTO seal.
Yes a John Deere has higher resale value.
Case calling jd's horse power artificial was a low blow lol,, the jd's would piss that power out without any black smoke or getting hot. They were no where near their limit on the 7.6
30 series smoked plenty though and Deere was never known for lugging power. They had to be wound.
It's just childish shaming to show they have low confidence that their brand isn't selling better.
@@BeingMe23 agreed, the case was a lovely tractor and the 8.3 motor in my opinion brilliant, loads of potential in her, old school is gold school, the jd 7.6 with the charge cooler had the edge
@@SilverGleaner helo chap, the non turbo jd's were gutless but I must say with a turbo they did pull well, I used many old and new, the one I was most impressed with was a 3650 and a pump tweak, she was 146 on the shaft and went very well, as well as a tw15 f140 case 1255 etc, once again its only my opinion and am OK with you thinking I am wrong,
@@alanchatfield4271 I'm speaking mostly about the 30 series as in 4030, 4230, 4630 and so on and the 40 series like 4240 4450 etc were better luggers but in my opinion not great luggers. I've never heard of a 3650.
I am a International man myself. I would be the first to say John Deere won this one.
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The case 90 and 94 series tractors had lots of transmission problems.
That damn powershift and down shifts when ya push the clutch in...
@@davehughesfarm7983 Allis Power Shift down shifted too when you pushed in the clutch. Was not a problem. Blowing snow in reverse was bad for Case Power Shift because the lube pump ran backwards in reverse. But the 94 series Case wasn't too bad. They had a lot of the bugs worked out.
The ihc 466 was a truck/tractor engine, not deere!
Deere also made a 466 engine
@@tbros9995 IT wasnt a truck engine
Funny on some of the things they were bragging about, Allis Chalmers had already done dating back to 1973.
I didn't realize that the Deere 404 was apparently a truck design....?
He didn't read up on John Deere history..... The 4o4 was built from the ground up as early with the decision to create a New Generation of Deeres in the early 1950's.....
I agree Allis Chalmers was ahead of the time in some aspects of there tractors
@@Ihfarmer23 yeah they definitely brought some great innovations to the farm industry. I have my brand preferences, but I can find good points in almost any older tractor of any brand. I definitely ain’t a fan of this newer stuff though.
@@GMdieselman I agree the new stuff now adays is pure shit
@@Ihfarmer23Allis chalmers and MM is the best Agiculture innovator.
Was this filmed at a gun range or is there something in the audio?
No Just case gearbox blowning up🤣🤣🤣🤣
Who's the East Coast Elmer Fudd narrating this?
I got to the start where he lists the jd lineup. Wow that’s a tough fight. Those tractors were Bullit proof
Look at the resale value after 30 some years:)
The 30 series started in 1973 not 1964
In the day 25 against any color was no comparison pulling disc etc through field, if radiator is somewhat clean, no heating problems, when case starts smoking, red or green would have choked off!!! Diff lock n power shift n unbelievable torque get through wet spots, shift up when starting to spin, tires clean n away you go!! Fuel economy was good too, 1370 was first fo beat jd730 diesel
Deutz was the first to beat the JD 720/730 after Deere holding the fuel consumption crown for a couple of decades. It certainly wasn't the 1370 Case.
@crookedaxle check Nebraska tractor test data, maybe Deutz wasn't tested??
Christopher Walken does a case video- lol
2290 and 2390 lots of rear-end trobles
Put 4000 hrs on a 2 wheel drive 2394 years ago, when doing heavy pulling it would burn 15 plus Canadian gallons of fuel an hours plus 1.5 mph slower than our other tractors plus no lugging power at all.
The seat should be in a hall of fame somewhere for being the most uncomfortable seat ever put in a tractor.
Thinking back now I actually find it impressive that case designed and had the audacity to sell such a worthless POS.
Ah the art of manipulation.
Case is ok but nothing runs like a deere this salesman is nothing more than a salesman trying to put case out in front but john deere iron horses are legendary
You know what, the deeres would outlive those cases anyway.
2-135 and 2-155 White tractors are beefy built as well
ZETOR 7745 -ZETOR 8045 ,ZETOR 12011 -ZETOR 12045 JE NEJLEPSI Z NEJLEPSICH A KRASNY TRAKTORY TO JSOU
Deere was so far behind in many ways.
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@@donfrisch6437 tis true
It's funny those far behind tractors ars still farming and when is the last time you saw a case from this time period? I haven't saw one in years
@@chadjustice8560 Saw a red 94 series working ground just today.
im olny 8 years old olso on the farm that i live on has a 2290 from case i think its an 1980s model and the farm that i live on we qiht farming and we farm near the turtle motins
What?
I seriously wonder if these commercials put them out of business. Who approved these? They are awful.
This is the worst video for getting facts straight 😂.
its looking like Case IH and MF made the best tractors of their time
I think. There still going. Strong lol case ih. It’s not ih case. Lol just saying.
Yet the Magnum is more popular than the Maxxum. Just saying.
@@J-1410 The real Maxxums are now McCormick branded. Fiat had to sell that line and the Genesis line in order for the US government to allow Fiat to buy CaseIH.
@@SilverGleaner That doesn't help much, considering McCormick's reputation.
@@J-1410 Could be...... I've not been around McCormicks. The Maxxum origins go back to David Brown. Some love em and some don't.
You can't compare Case to a John Deere the Deere is way Better tractors
As an European viewer this is some real fun to watch becaus you americans never understanded that Fendt is the only brand that built a good and reliable powershift. They were kicking youre asses then and now there doing if again because american tractor manufacturers cant even build an nice and reliable cvt. History repeats it's self. Only this time some americans see that theres nothing above a Fendt.
A little American history here, oliver was developing a cvt in the 70s, but it got killed by white when they bought them. That same design was used by fendt in the 90s after agco bought them. (They bought both oliver and fendt) the design was a planetary style cvt which is still patented today, and thats why nobody else can touch it. While oliver never had a full powershift, they started a partial powershift in the 60s and used it all the way through white. It was a very strong and reliable design with many still running today. I've always wondered what would have happened if oliver went through with the cvt. But I guess we'll never know. You're not wrong though, I always thought if I buy new it would be a fendt, they seem we'll put together. (Plus they're partially oliver design right? 😉)
@@mstr-farms257 have to admit that I didn't now oliver had a hand in the development of the vario transmissions. but what i want to say is that you americans are always case vs deere because you have never owned a fendt the good old truboshift were the best powershifts ever.
Fendt never had a Full Powershift. The Turboshift is a simple partial Powershift from ZF. It is reliable but not really better than the PowrQuad from Deere or the PPS in the Maxxum. In fact the Fendt shifts very delayed and also needs the Clutch to change direction. By the way, the same Transmission was used by Deutz-Fahr.
@@mstr-farms257 Fendt developed it's CVT completely alone. It is definitely not from another company.
@@teunschouten5276 kinda sad that you actually think a CVT is superior to all other transmissions when they are some of the worst for actual pulling. What they are good for is power loss.
So. 40 years later…. How bout that resale?
50-70 percent difference
Case tractors are sold by the pound !
Both brands have stood the test of time both are very reliable.
I bought the case for 2500 bucks, the deere sold for 30,000
@@johnserrano9689 bought my 1270 for $1500 and still running strong 💪
Nice vid
But where's the same model case today I know for a fact the Deere is still going strong
Case still exists.
And Agco is kicking there ass in the world market.
So case isn't case eny more it's a red new holland
Does Deere do ANYTHING ,on there own......
@@rp9453 Deere is owned by Deere
Ran a 3294 MFWD Tractor back in the late 80’s early 90’s. It was a nice driving quiet tractor, pulled a soil saver in hard clay. I remember having to watch the exhaust temperatures. They still have the tractor today, don’t know how many thousands of hours are on it now, well over 10K, probably closer to 20K.
There isn't many of them white cases around. Lots of john deere a aroun
That's because ur gonna be lucky to find one in decent condition
@@Ihfarmer23 we had one they are junk
Had a 2090 just traded it away last year.
Strong engine, roomy cab, Jerky transmission, and weak pto.
@@akhuiz5088 how many hours my 4450 has 19000 hours ang motor never been touches
@@edblindauer627 nothing crazy. little over 5000hrs. Redid the pto twice tho. Only used for pto work so kinda pointless if thats the weak link
Yes and how did this all work out for Casw LOL.
I don’t know about Casw, but Case is still selling tractors!
So exactly which trucks from the 1950s used the 404 diesel engine which this guy claims the Deere engine was derived from? I havent heard of any?
@2500vtg I heard jd 4010 engine was molded after a Caterpillar 12 motor grader engine???
The biggest problem with the case 94 series was the transmission a mechanics nightmare
Great when it works but no one's around to wrench on em.
True the RPS gave lots of problems
True
Any mechanic want fix Case hydraulics 😅😅😅, except Jhon Deere 💪🏿🇩🇪 best design more durable 😂, hello case
Yeah,to repair that transmission,which failed on me for no reason,was $20,000 dollars in 1989 money in Australia.
While white built tractors they had the heaviest rear end used in a row crop tractor the 2-135 on up had 24 and 3/4 inch ring gear and had 4and 1/2 in axles
oneguy said the 4800 hercules in his 2-135 just got meaner the more you pulled it
@@dalekrueger1175 they were a hell of a horse in the field
@@scottjaecques7409 i always felt White Farm equipment, never had a fair shot at the market
Great tractor if you're able to ignore the 15 gallons per hour of fuel just to haul manure.
@@derrickzenner9300 the 2-135 and 2-155 we're 2 of the most fuel efficient tractors tested in Nebraska state test in there horse power range
Deere wins
Nice vid and the Deere still does the job today😎😎😎👍
1984 called, and wants its Members Only jacket back.
Those tractors are garbage, but the color scheme was oh so good. They should've held on to that
50 series any day
Junk
Hahahaha we had one it was in the shop more than in the field.
We had a 4650 and a 2394 and both were 160 + hp and then we had 2-135 white at 137 hp and on the plow or chisel or 25 ft Krause disc neither one could work with my white and it was 20 hp less
Removable side sheets, easy access to radiator, belts, air filter etc, swing out batteries, inverted oil filters, pressure and flow compensated hydraulics, opposed intake and exhaust manifolds, alternating exhaust and intake valves, dry socket 540/1000 pto shaft.... all things Allis Chalmers had in 1973 or earlier depending on the feature. Plus the Allis 8000 series cab is so much more comfortable and roomy than any other at that time.
Oh for sure that's the shit thing is alot of tractor manufacturers copied what Allis Chalmers had already done in the 70s
Allis always had great engineering, even if they were behind in power.
@@ilsmawandfarm1767 Well the 7080 was, at the time, the most powerful row crop tractor built, as was the D21 when it was introduced. The 220 was right in the game and so was the 8550 and 4W305. Allis built engines with great torque rise for the time. A 190XT had better Torque rise than pretty much any other tractor in its horse power class and it did it with a fairly small cubic inch engine. Then there are the Allis dozer engines that set records at Nebraska test for pulling ability. Drop a 516 cid Allis dozer engine in a Case 2590 or Deere 4840 and watch for the inevitable drive train wreckage to occur. Allis knew how to build power.
Then why is John Deere the only tractor that survived? Drop mic!
@@ralphllivrah9551 Dumb luck cause it can't be the features of the Deere. Seriously though, there is a long story behind the fall of Allis Chalmers and it has little to do with their product line quality or features.
OH Geeze, This guy doesn't even know the proper year when Deere 30 series came out!! 1964, you'd think Case would do some basic research!
We just bought a 4630 this year and put about 50hrs on it so far absolutely love it I drove a 2394 for my uncle and that thing is junk... I would take my older Deere anyday over that case
Hopefully you didn't get a 4630 Power Jerk. 8 speeds! Really?
On our farm we have both.. bad this good that..
Still using a 2590 and a 4755. The case cab and steering is hands down better
I liked the Case steering better, especially in row crop. Deere was fine just has a goofy steering ratio. I guess the Case had better visibility, but I sure enjoyed riding in the JD more. JD used more fuel too. Got really tired of fiddling with the Case power shift... like every year or two. Lost one Case transmission... so that wiped out any fuel savings.
Absolutely........
I've never liked the Deere cab. No room for even a lunch bucket and if the air doesn't work the heat from the engine will roast a person being the engine is so close to the cab. Steps are terrible too. Unlike most anti Deere folks, I really don't consider the front cab post a deal breaker..... it's the rest of the cab and the terrible serviceability of the general tractor that steers me away. From hood removal, fuel tank position, battery locations, 540/1000 pto swap, air filter location, oil filter position, and good luck getting at that hydraulic pump when the time comes.
What I like? Not much with the 30 series or 40 series but the 50 series on up through the 60 series I do like the 15 speed power shift.... the rest I could take it or leave it.
uncle still has 2390 and we still have a herd of deeres..Matter of fact brother and me were both working ground and planting in 45 year old tractors.. 4430/4630 also have 4440 and 4640
@@SilverGleaner Im fried from JD damn cabs....They the worst with no airco....And GD starting system.
I didnt drive these exact models but did thousands of hours on JD4640 and Case 2390 from new.They both worked well though the cab on the Case was much quieter than the Deere.
Every manufacturer will talk about their product in an endearing way and will embellish their products abilities!..Case were masters at it but the truth is they were terrible tractors and resale value will prove that!..but I still like the old tractors and many farmers are running them to this day!..
I drove Case tractors 2290 is the last true case before it sold out. Ill take a case before a JD eney day.
Now we know why case domineered the tractor market and deere fell by the wayside.
John Deere best ever.
Id take the sound guard cab tractors!
Omg, I haven’t laughed this hard in quite some time. If Case engineers were so great, then how on earth did come build such a POS power shift transmission? Luckily history had shown us the real winner of this little comparison.
Yep. Good for a laugh though
I am not to familiar with Case powershifts ,did they breakdown a lot? My cousin had one of these series Case's and sold it pretty quick,maybe that's why .
@@interman7715 I only ran there power shift for a few days for a neighbor. In a panic situation slamming on the clutch results in the tractor abruptly downshifting and trying to put the operator through the windshield .
@@robertmoulton2656 You have something wrong there then, or we not pushing the clutch in all the way.
Tenneco bought Deere's old design for Case...
Wonder how many customers this lost for Case? Not a Deere guy, but Deere is still owned by Deere and co....Case is owned by the Italians now...so must have been enough....
Deere is owned by the stockholders ,that's why they've gone to shit.
@@interman7715 Yep. All about stockholder profit rather than quality
@@interman7715 so Fiat (owners of CNH/Case) doesn't have shareholders?......yes they do too. that was a really stupid comment.
@@oscaracme Not stupid at all. They both cater to the stock holders. What difference does it make if it's so-called American owned or Italian owned. They are both globalist companies. Notice I said globalist and not global. There is a difference.
@@SilverGleaner yes, it was stupid. the stockholders are the owners.....who should they cater to? Where do those globalist companies pay the bulk of their corporate taxes to....the country of Global? (hint, Deere pays to US treasury, CNH pays in Italy and AGCO pays in to Germany...etc)
Funny, funny, the cases were junk, worked on them..see which one will bring more money today...case power shifts were cheaper because it was cheaper, and did not last...
Anyone else have an idea of the year of this video I'm thinking early 1984 to maybe mid 1984 at least before case bought IH because these tractors are still white
This is what I know the case 2399 could not keep up with a 1370 case a 1456 ih or a 4640 jd with the same plow
THE BEST ,BEST,BEST TRACTOR ZETOR 7745 ,ZETOR 8045,ZETOR 12011,ZETOR 12045 BEAUTIFUL HAVE OUR MADE IN ČSSR . DER BESTE,BESTE SCHON UNSER ZETOR 7745 ,ZETOR 8045 ,ZETOR 12011 ,ZETOR 12045 ,BEST ,BESTE TRACTOR ,TRAKTOR ,NO NOU FENDT ,CASE,JOHN DEERE, MF,NEW HOLAND . 1*1*1* ZETOR 1*1*1*ZETOR 1*1*1* ZETOR 1*1*1* 1949 -1989
Lets see resale....and sales numbers........ exactly.
We had a 2394 and a 2594 and a few 4440s and 2 4640s the case motor had more power and run cheaper than the 466 other than that they were in the field side by side every day
And the Cases are all being parted out and the deeres are still going 30K hours later.
@@davidlogel2350 sure are
we still have both....
There's a reason Deere is #1
Case
This is awesome thanks for sharing it, I love my 94 series Cases great units they are.
And they take about 15 to 20 percent less fuel. If fuel is 2 cents or 20 dollars per gallon it all adds up
No Comments about the round cab and the excuse of a way to get in? No comments saying it was better either.
I guess that means everyone agrees on one thing: they weren't anything to brag about.
I've often said those old Case 90 and 94 series were the most underrated tractors ever made.
loso we have a 4450 with a loader
The 466 engine was an International tractor engine adapted for trucks. It was built by the thousands and lasted up to the 2000’s. Worked only many in school buses. It was the easiest and most durable engine I have ever worked on. Cummins and Detroit diesel.
Is this the German Neuss engine that was put into everything from trucks to Tractors?. They were the only engine built heavy enough in main ends to take after market turbocharger.
Neuss diesels Never change since the 1930's when they were designed and made but they were finished in 1990's when they cannot meet emissions standards.
Case had a 503 case JD also had a 466
It’s not the same engine. The 404 was bored out to fit Cummins pistons in it by a tractor puller. The tractor was the Cajun queen two. Deere bought the motor which became the 466. Had nothing to do with truck manufacturing. The video is inaccurate. Originally the tractor puller tried to put 5020 pistons I. But we’re to big. Dealers name was sydenstricker I believe. Famous tractor and the the 466 would out last cases motor all day long. Funny in the 4x4 video they say jd is to heavy and in this video they claim they’re not heavy enough. I’m not sure what this guys on but he needs up the dosage or go to rehab. Lol
The lies that they are trying to sell. Tell me why a deere sells for way more today
Actually Cases sell for more then John Deere's. Also John Deere is less of a friend of farmers nowadays simply because they have massive issues with allowing farmers to repair equipment. Also building a monopoly on repair. John Deere ripped off Bid bud and even stole the Quadtrac design. John Deere has become the backseat apple inventor. stealing products that already exists and not listening to there own customers.
Because vanity is an expensive habit
They have a Good Marketing team thats why. They could sell Toilet paper & you would think they were Better then Everybody. Get over Your Ego. There is More to the World then the Over priced ,Overrated Green & Yellow Paint. Everybody has Good & bad Products. So many of you cant see past the Paint & Name. I get so Tired of Hearing you People Praise Deere for Everything that Everybody Else had Way Before them. They come up with it & they are on top of the World. Give me a Break.
@@chadshafer8095 I know right, So many people only see the Brand loyalty but not the actual Products that are being produced.
@@cameronvelthuis1844 Maybe back in those days. But Cases and Internationals were built far better. Most are still around farming today. Regardless those were the days of the past. Most farmers now turn to buying older lightly used equipment since the new stuff is to expensive to afford. medium.com/@tractorgyan123/top-5-most-expensive-tractors-in-the-world-and-know-what-sets-them-apart-4cb061e72b4a Tractors were always great. Each one had there strong suits and things that made them unique. But it's about what companies continue to back the consumer and which decide to gouge the consumer. most farmers pick a brand that they have good dealer relations with anyhow.
I worked at a case ih dealer in the early 90s the 504 was a damn good engine. The deere trans left a lot to be desired. I thought the 88 series IH was a better tractor but the case was still ahead of jd at
the time
88 series IH had lots of issues
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I agree. The ride of the Deere was really nice at the time. I was a kid and loved the power of 1586. Wouldn’t want to ride in that short wheel based baby now though.
This guy was FOS!
Wish a had that 4450 he was sitting in today