Making Composite Intake Tubes
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- Опубліковано 11 лис 2013
- This video goes over two techniques I created to make composite or carbon fiber intake tubes. This is an easy way to make light weight composite intake tubes that will not heat soak.
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Your statement at the beginning of the video "I don't care about possessing the final product, I wanna create it". My kind of guy.
hectorae86 Sweet...there are very few of us!
This is pure genius! Mustve been years for me to figure out how to make a one piece tube and all you did was cut it up in parts! Very impressed! subscribing now!
Thanks
Looks good, but you could also perform a lost foam technique, where you design foam that disolves in acetone. Once you make your shape, use a PVA or wax to reduce sticking, and wrap Carbon fiber around it. Once fully cured, you can use the acetone to melt away the foam, leaving a hollow inside.
Correct
I assume you could use a 3D printer to cut or create different shapes of tubing when using this technique which would allow you to have perfect precision.
You should be careful with it, because it will damage the epoxy impregnated carbon fiber.
Yeah but this was easy and not messy at all
What kind of foam is that?
Thanks for creating this video and the carbon fiber video as well and also thank you for posting it on UA-cam for the rest of the world to learn from. You the man. Genius idea.
no problem. I'm always trying inspire others. thanks for watching.
Love this channel, the thing you do on your own are amazing. I’m following your steps and will me trying to make my own pipe using a 3D printer form.
Dude, dude, dude. You literally just kick started my summer job lol I can't WAIT to do this!
sweet glad I was able to help
Buddy YES!!!! Its guys like you that keep forwarding the true nature of Hot Rodding. This I'm going to try.
thanks
This just made things a whole lot easier of me. Great video! UA-cam should be sending you a check for this type of ingenuity.
lol...I wish they would send me a check. Glad I was able to help
this is amazing and you've finally given me a diy technique to do a project ive had in mind for years!!!!!
thats awesome...thats what I like to hear, those kind of comments keeping going
can't wait for the next video... this looks pretty easy and so simple! thanks
Its is easy and you can make some cool stuff...thanks for the reply
Holy shit this is genius.
I want to make a custom airbox and this is exactly how I'm gonna do it.
Good job, i saw 3 of your videos with composites and it`s ok. I have years working with composites, and your sistems are ok, maybe you can learn about the wet seams systems used in RC fiberglass fuses to join the two halves, it grow your systems of works, and you can add more techniques. Congratulations.
Kyle is a BEAST, this guy needs to be on Discovery Channel. Very inspiring. I'm buying a starter kit.
+RSeif44 lol...thanks
Great video...looking forward to the next one!
Thanks for the feedback
Props dude, way to think outside the box. Definitely doing this soon
Mike Julien glad you dig it...thanks for watching
One of the better DIYs I've seen. Good on you mate. Keep it up.
Thanks...I really appreciate the feedback
Well deserved...now hurry up and make the carbon finer sock follow up. Lol. Interested in both the finish attainable and how to get the ends to be the right size to slip into the flexible couplings.
Thx very much man!.You made my day helping me resolve my custom tubing issue .You the best.
lol...glad I was able to help
I know this is an older vid but that is the best Idea I've seen in awhile!!!
+Jas B thanks
"I do not care about possessing the final product, I want to create it" excellent work
Good stuff man!!! I like seeing creative thinking... anyone can buy parts, but it's more gratifying to make them
mugen7272 I agree...I love to think outside the box
Subscribed in the first 5 seconds, that's gotta be a new record :D
Awesome stuff subscribed. Have you tried making a carbon tube without fiberglass using this four piece method?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
your cleaver man, I'm off to my workshop now inspired thank you.
thanks...that's my goal.
Love it! Good stuff man.
Loved the technique!very smart
+Tânia Estêvão Thanks
Omg man, made my day, actually made my night ( in poland it is 11pm now) :)) great vid great topic :X
Thanks glad I can help...give me some Poland love and spread the word for me.
Thanks!
I will definitely watch on your next vids. Hope I will not regret my subscription.
I hope you don't regret it too...
My mind runs wild !! Thanks 👍😎
And yes, SUBBED ❤
can you make your mock up with PVC pipe and not steel
Bro this is straight genius right here
Where could I buy the same material ? I'm trying to create my own cold air intake for my bmw m3 . Sincerely , Travis
Has the video of the finished product been posted? The one were you wrap it. Thanks for coming up with these ideas and posting them.
Yes it has...you can find it on my channel
Very nice video! Thank you for posting.
your welcome
...thanks for watching
That is cool as hell thanks, I know of a lot of things I can do with that .
i had that exact thought just last night, lol..... dont care about possessing the final product, i want to create it.
Would a silicone intake tube work to make a cast out of? Or would it have to be metal/aluminum?
could you do this same process with foam and disolve it out? i dont have the tools or technology to make professional steel tubing, but foam or wood i am failry skilled working with! thanks
for sure. Foam is a great option
very interesting,will be watching
Thanks...hope to make the second part this weekend
Hi Fab, I liked the idea of using the casting fibre glass, especially for complex double curvatures like the intake pipe.
If I might be so bold to make a suggestion ! I would have taken your wrapping of the intake with the pre marked up areas right up to the ends backing up this with photos for reference, then waited for it to dry and trimmed off any excess, then transferred the holes marks in the sectioned steel (a good idea by the way) into the casting. This would have given you a one piece end result prior to the CF shrink wrap. Also you could have included some washers within the fibre glass at hole locations (eventually they would have been incorporated into the CF layer) this may have resulted in a better performance in the pressure test and because of the ultra strong design of this piece of pipe (with all the interacting radii) it would have been great to see it fail longitudinally instead of at fixings.
All in all Ive enjoyed the experiment and thank you very much.
+issac krupps yeah these videos were not to make a finished part...more to show my technique. Thanks
Thank you for another great video, do you think this tubing can withstand boost pressures or is this pre-turbo tubing just for induction?
Thanks ...Although I have not tested it yet I think the seamless tubing could withstand boost especially if it is reinforced with carbon fiber. I think the issue would be keeping the ends from blowing loose. I will do some work on this subject...
Has the the video of the finished product been posted? The one were you wrap it. Thanks for the ideas and posting them.
No i have not posted it yet...stay tuned :)
I like your video are you using a Go pro camera the video look really good. My friends and I are trying to build a new trail system through our County. We keep running into people that think ATVs are bad. We h...
Has this held up to the heat generated in the engine bay? It looks great, I like it, will be trying it. I'd like to make a ram air induction w/ heat shield to the cone air filter that I have in my s13.
Yes I have been doing this for year...have had no issues
dammit man your videos are amazing! keep up the good work!
thanks....appreciate the feedback
Hi man how can I buy this connect cast??
this stuff lights up pretty good I find I ordered a box to discover this
what do you mean lights up?
Catches fire really easily when dried, good for making brake ducts and stuff, and prototyping don't think engine area is for for it
lol...
I have used it in the engine compartment with no issues. I will have to do some testing I guess
Wait so how do you get the casting tape cheap?
Very nice video
I was wondering can we make this pipe mold(split mold) by traditional fiber glass instead of steel ?
Yea I am sure you could...just need to be able to removed after wrapping has cured.
Querendo buy this BLUE material ?
Great idea and looks simple for anyone to do..i was wondering what your thoughts on how to it would work as a turbo inlet pipe?...i have a 2000 audi tt quattro and can't find a 3" inlet so was thinking of maybe making a thicker version of this and trying to see how it would workout
Thanks. I think you could make tubes to hold boost pretty easily I would probably use some carbon fiber wrap to go over the composite though. I show this in a separate video. I have been itching to make some tubes for a boosted setup by self.
Yeah I watched both of your videos very cool stuff never would've thought to use casting tape..didn't even know they sold it to civilians only hospitals haha...but I subscribed so I'll be waiting for them tubes for the boosted set ups..great work
Thanks for watching
im considering making a carbon fiber roof overlay for my car. Without risking resin on my factory paint, I thought about using this casting tape to make a "mold" of the roof. With your experience, would casting tape work for an area like that?
+MICHAEL W I would probably just use a large piece of plastic to protect the car
very smart idea big props for the video !
this is only for intake not for turbo intercooler piping right ?
this composite pipe cant hold high turbo psi have you tried this ?
Cheers from Greece !
I have some videos on my channel of me pressure testing these tubes up to 30psi with no failure.
Cool technique. Did you get this idea from your past experience in medical equipment? Thanks for sharing!
+Tracy Sigler No I came up with this a long time ago. Was trying to figure a quick way to make and test prototype induction tubes when I way racing. I also loved that they were light and didnt hold heat
I would like to see a video of how you marked and then cut the tube. The cuts didn't affect the diameter of the tube? I would like to see how you attached it too. I like the styrofoam and acetone idea another youtuber had below. Duplicating those bends in styrofoam would be the challenge though. Nice work and interesting process.
The foam is only good to make one. This particular mold was used to produce several parts.
where i can buy the mould?
how do you think casting tape would react to fuel if one was to make a intake plenum with it. i was thinking of using foam and once it dried dissolving it in its cast and reinforcing it with fibber glass resin . the only other thing i was wondering is how well would this bond to to aluminum . thank you.
dragbrick not sure on the gas...I could rest it for you. Also not sure how well it will bond with aluminum but I plan to also test as I would like to use it for the ends of my tubing.
Great invention to make artificial limbs ( fiber + carbon fiber filled with foam with skeletal frame ) for people with disabilities - you should win some prize!
lol...not its prize worthy but thanks
Definitely looking forward to your next video. And you forgot to tell us how to get the stuff cheap.
I buy them on ebay for around $3 a roll...most come in packs of 10 rolls
Bad ass technique!!!
thanks
Nice video...very creative.
Thanks
I love the idea of this, but a question I came across is how does this fare in water? Obviously being in an engine bay, at least in my application isn't subject to being soaked or anything, but what about humidity? I do drive in heavy rain from time to time and it worries me that this is water activated. Just curious because I don't know much about it, and probably won't CF wrap it unless I have to.
wont effect it
awesome idea.
Do you mind sharing where you get the water activated fiberglass wrap? I looked through the comments section but couldnt reach the bottom of them after 10mins of scrolling. A testimate to how popular your videos are.
Edit. Forget that. Found the link by clicking the drop down video descrition. haha me no good at youtube.
lol....
So you are saying after we put fiber glass resin it will fill up the pin holes and block the leaks but since this is a solid color and not reflective how will it stop heat from heating it up under the engine bay, which in turn will heat up the air running inside to the intake.
the material doesn't heat soak like aluminum and steel
Brilliant man!
Doug Ryan Thanks...appreciate the feedback
this isn't car related, but i'm trying to join 2 pieces of rectangularly carbon fiber hollow tubing together to make a longer long piece of tubing. any suggestions for how i would press the attaching pieces of carbon fibre strips used to join the 2 pieces of tubing? someone mentioned an inflatable rubber ball or some sort using a compressor. have you ever done this? or could you point me to the right place? thanks!
Oh wow...I have no idea on how you could do this because I have never done anything like that. Some kind of inflatable sounds like a good idea to me.
that's nice shaping ... can you guide me to get this material
should be a link in the description
Neat trick!
***** Thanks
did you make the metal mold from sheet metal strips or a cut out piece of tubing? thank you nice work.
I cut the piece of tubing into strips
I got an idea to thermoform acrylic tubing .
into curved shapes, thank you.
Samuel Arvizu no prob
great job bro.
+Jason Jimenez thanks
By looks of it, you could carbon wrap the 4 piece pipe and then take it from there - if you don't mind the bigger dimension for your pipe right?
+3rR4h Yeah with this mold you could but I wanted to show both processes in one for those that didnt have a four piece mold.
Sweet, thinking of making a bigger bore intake pipe from you vid, thank you!
Would you be able to use the same wrap to insulate headers? just curious ...
+Evan Post No it wouldnt survive the heat of headers
You don't want to wrap it in carbon fiber and use it. The casting material and CF expand at different rates, to the point it could cause cracking and warping. You really should stick to one material.
That being said, the casting tape would work great for creating molds. Use some filler to smooth it, sand it down, and bam.
I have a question, if i have a more complex shape, can i make a 'mould' out of styrofoam (which is easy to shape) then wrap it wit this, then simply file / shave the foam ut of the inside (destroying the mould, but its a one off peice )
yea that will actually work very well. i think you can even use chemical to dissolve some foams away.
TheFabForums.com
Using Acetone (propanone) you will dissolve the styrofoam! I make CF tubes with this technique, than I dissolve with acetone!!
xPhenxxx Thanks for the feedback...I will have to try that out.
This appears to be a great way to make composite tubing, my only concern is having a smooth surface for airflow on the inner part of the tubing, will the texture of the cast fiber cause any performance issues regards airflow?
+Douglas Foster its perfectly smooth on the inside. The tube cause it to make a very smooth surface
+The Fab Forums Awesome! Thanks for the response.. Thinking im gonna have to give this a go since I make alot of my own parts with carbon fiber and have been lightly mulling over a good way to make tubing.
Douglas Foster idk if you have done it yet but you try bladder molding to make tubes
Great video as always 😀 can you please link to the ebay seller. I'm having trouble to find the same product you are using.
The sellers come and go so a link would probably not do any good. I just search for cast material.
what kind of resin would you want to use for high temps?
dragbrick I think the resins that are cured at high temps are the ones that can handle more heat. I know you can get some standard type resins that can go up to 315 degree F. www.avtcomposites.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=1100
Sweet, I got the 3 inch cardboard tube, my wife is bringing home some casting wraps. What to use for the release agent?
Carnauba wax works well
Thanks Bro, hey I was wondering if my mold is about 3 1/2 feet long can I wrap the whole thing and cut it to make 2 sections and connect with couplers
Yea possibly
Will this work on a turbo car? considering making an intake and maybe intercooler pipes... would this work for up to 30 psi?
Yeah...I have some videos of pressure testing it
+The Fab Forums awesome thank you!
After the tube is cast, would it be sensible or cost effecient to use regular header wrap? Outside for heat dispalcement? Think I worded that right.
chuck lane Header wrap probably wouldn't help much because the fiberglass wrap pretty much already has the same anti heat soak properties as fiberglass header wrap.
TheFabForums.com Thank you.
Have you utilized methods similar to this for piping on the pressure side of turbo systems? or only induction side?
I have not, but I have thought about it. I think its plenty strong enough to handle boost just not sure how couple it.
TheFabForums.com V-band, if you can get the end of the tubing strong enough to deal with the clamping pressure and have the V made into it. We use it on Turbo'd Hondas all the time.
Joe11Blue I agree...had thought about trying to mold in aluminum v-bands some how.
Very impressive! One question. If the Fiberglass tape gets wet, won't it deteriorate or deform? I'm questioning because the intake might pick up some humidity from the ambient air in a more wet climate with snow/rain.
Broke Racers no once it has set up it wont be affected by moisture.
Great! Thanks for the response. I'm gonna try this out. Love the creativity!
Sweet...you will dig the results
you may have already said this but what type or resin did you use? the two components you put in the cup?
Sumner Swaner you don't need any resin with the casing tape. The wrap is already pre impregnated with a resin that is activated by water.
awesome vid! whats the music at the end?
thanks, it was something I bought on line
Well done
Thanks...appreciate the feedback
easy steps n tips there. thumbs up.
thanks for watching
Genius!
Use pool noodle and pie cut technique to make bends and curves us hot glue to hold it together melt out with acetone
you should make us a video
Would this work for block to radiator water lines ?
no I wouldnt thing so
Would this hold the temperatures of intercooler piping?
Yea I think it would. From the experience I have with it it doesn't really get hot because it doesn't conduct heat like steel or aluminum
Does this leave a residue on the plug you are molding? I want to see if I can use this to make a mold of a front lip for my car, but I don't want to jeopardize the integrity of the original lip.
It does not leave any kind of residue on the steel tubes I use. I think you will be fine....what material is your front lip made out of?
TheFabForums.com it's an oem lip so I'm pretty sure its urethane
I think you will be fine
cool stuff!
thanks
Sweet !
So good bro thank you so much
No problem
i am interested in seeing how it reacts to gas ounce fiberglass resin is applied .
dragbrick I think it will do surprisingly well. I have actually cleaned it with brake clean and it didn't seem to affect it.
I know this video is a little old but I am hoping I will get a response. First off, I think this is awesome and I will be ordering some casting tape on payday. Second, and I may be the only one thinking this therefore wrong and that is okay but, don't we like the inside of our intake tubes to be smooth? Even though you are wrapping the casting tape around a smooth mold the texture of the tape is a weave so it is porous and rough. It seems it would slow air down not aid in its trip through the tube. As far as creating a stupid light intake tube, you got that. I do not want to debate that, I would just like to hear your thoughts on the inside texture of the casting tape tube. Please? Alternatively, could we use a vac-pack plastic mold then wrap it with casting fiberglass? Thoughts???
the tightness of the wrap actually makes the inside very smooth.
So then whatever resin they use in the casting fiberglass must smooth out against the mold. Now to see if my brother in-law will let me use his vacuum form rig to make positive mold to wrap the casting around. Thanks bro, you are awesome.
Could you just wrap the quartered tube in carbon fiber instead of going through the step of using the fiberglass wrap?
I guess you could but I like to apply my fiber with a vac bag and it would probably make a mess using the quartered tube. You will see in the next video the part will be bagged inside and out.
VERY COOL!
+Brian Ward thanks
Hey. watched some of your videos and Subscribed. I don't build things for cars at the moment but I like to play with stuff like cosplay suits. This really gives me some ideas :D thanks a bunch.
no problem, thanks for watching
How do you find the casting tape cheap?
+GunsNpolitics I think there are some link on the description.