Making Complex Carbon Fibre Tubes Using a Split-Mould
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2020
- Full project details: www.easycomposites.co.uk/lear...
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Products used in this tutorial:
► XPREG XC110 Prepreg Carbon Fibre www.easycomposites.co.uk/xc11...
► VB155 Tubular Bagging Film www.easycomposites.co.uk/Tubu...
► VB160 Vacuum Bagging Film www.easycomposites.co.uk/vb16...
► Vacuum Bagging Sealant Tape www.easycomposites.co.uk/vacu...
► TBC2 Through-Bag Connector www.easycomposites.co.uk/tbc2...
► VC200 Quick Release Coupling www.easycomposites.co.uk/quic...
► OV301 Composites Curing Oven www.easycomposites.co.uk/ov30...
For further details on this project, visit the project page on the Easy Composites website:
www.easycomposites.co.uk/lear... - Навчання та стиль
Is there a reason to use vac instead of just pressurizing a bladder inside the mould?
In vac, the atmospheric pressure push the mold together. When bladder tries to open the mold, so you would need stronger mold to hold
@@LestaAZL I was wondering this same exact thing. Thanks for the logical response.
Yes, it's exactly as LestaAZL has commented. The moulds you need for a pressurised bladder need to be incredibly strong (usually billet aluminium) in order to resist the deflection of the 'unbalanced' pressurised bladder. Therefore they tend to be very expensive to produce. An internal vacuum bag setup like this exerts equal pressure on the inside and outside of the mould, allowing much lighter, more cost effective composite moulds to be used.
Good point. Vacuum + plastic film= waste + money. You can make a thicker mould just by adding 3-4 layers of fiberglass or carbon fiber, hence achieving a stronger mould. I prefer the bladder anyways
What pressure would a pipe like that hold
this is the first time seeing your videos. I was designing composite parts in F1 for over 3 yrs of my 6yr stint and this offers the exact concepts and processes used in high level motorsport. Very nice.
Thanks for the comment, that’s great to hear. 👍
Can i ask what kinda parts you made and for which team? I'm just a big F1 fan and i'd like to know
+1 on knowing what team you were on with driver and what parts. Pleassseeee!
@@slipknotfan2217 He worked for Mercedes AMG F1
@@elissitdesign Mercedes AMG F1
You guys have brought my DIY hobbies to a whole new level. Thank you!
Your workspace is always so incredibly clean and organized... I would love to have a workspace like that!
Most advanced material. Oldest type of mold, used for many materials and applications. Gotta love it! Thanks so much for sharing!
It's great that you have resumed the videos.
Thanks, yes, we're pleased to be getting back on with them.
@@easycompositestv great work! cheers from Italy!
You guys deliver great content. So good to hear, youre uploading again! Much appreciated :-)
Thank you Lukas, we appreciate your comments and support.
You guys have the best carbon fiber tutorials. Thank you for all that you do. Can’t wait for the next one!
Haha, thanks a lot. We'll get cracking then!
Thank you for great instructional videos. I may not get around to using the process, but having a greater understanding of what is required and can be done opens some doors for down the road.
Thank you for your time in making these incredibly informative, educational videos.
Thank you for watching and commenting Mac Mac, we’ll keep them coming 😀
Amazing! You guys are the pros in explanations. Very very easy to understand! Thank you.
Thanks Caleb, I'm glad you found it easy to follow. That's always the challenge with these complex subjects.
There's a great deal of DIY composite videos on UA-cam that often look like epoxy castings with a little bit of fiber in them... So we really appreciate what you guys are doing at Easy Comp, representing proper structural layup, in concise and useful little tutorials with slick production. Quality 🏆
Thanks very much. Yes, we try to show a range of ways of doing things. We will, in fact, be returning to some simpler and more entry-level topics over the next few videos but they'll always be showing a process that's used for a good reason, even if that reason is simply to avoid the need for complex tools or equipment. Stay tuned.
Thanks for the amazing content hope you keep making more videos.
Wish there was videos many years ago or ways to learn more about composite molding so on. I remember it was hard to find much out there when it came to working with prepreg and doing mould making.
When looked around was lack of anyone showing how to do prepreg was like it was a secret so most you would see was doing wet, other than Mclaren F1 or aircraft and few boats.
Hi, yes, that was our experience when we started out too. That's why, - as we acquired knowledge, figured processes out, or developed our own methods - we wanted to share them with others.
Thank you so much for making this so easy and simple to understand even foran simple mind like me. Some day i am gone make the best looking Supermoto/dirtbike ever thanks to you, your videos, and your products. You (guys) are amazing.
Thanks very much, I'm really glad this is inspiring you.
Awesome video! Its so inspiring to see skilled professionals like yourself sharing your knowledge with those who want to learn. Keep up the epic work. i wish you good health and prosperity during these strange times.
Thank you sir, much appreciated. Good health and prosperity to you too. :)
@@easycompositestv thank you. Namaste 🙏😊
Finally! These videos are by far the best on UA-cam about composites. Please keep making them!
Thanks Greg, we'll do our best.
This is exactly what I was looking for after that bike frame video! Much clearer! I would love to see some more information on compression molding techniques with pre-preg, similar to how the headstock was made on the bike frame. Good stuff, gents!
Thanks a lot, I'm glad this made it clearer. Yes, we might well do something quite soon on the compression moulding with silicone. Stay tuned.
@@easycompositestv Excellent! Keep up the good work!
How am I so lucky? Just watched the 3-part mould video series a few hours back, and just an hour ago this gets uploaded! :)
what a super explanation, this is going to help me to better explain the process to my clients, thanks!
Thanks Peter, glad it was helpful.
I watched this years ago... still worth a watch anytime. Great content!!
🤜🏼🤛🏼😎🍀🍀🍀🇦🇺
for the long time, finally i found channel like this
Thanks for the comment, I'm glad you like it.
@@easycompositestv hello am an amataeur when it comes to metals and non etals and materials, as far as i understand carbon fiber has been used extensively in space. i want to know what combination is best for such purpose and what types can i use to build space habitats ... say in the kuiper belt....thanks in dvance
finally,ive been waiting so long for a video like this! as always you guys makes such great tutorials! keep it up
Thanks very much, we appreciate your comments.
was just about to say this too!
Great knowledge sharing and explanation behind the concepts used.
Thank you, glad you liked it.
Excellent video. Thank you for going more in-depth from the bike frame video technique.
You're welcome, I'm pleased if this helps to explain/show it a bit better.
It was an excellent work, thanks for sharing us those valuable info's in details 👍
You're very welcome, glad you liked it.
Now that I'm stuck at home, I really don't have an excuse to put off my composites projects. Awesome video - thanks!
Haha, that's true David.
Well if we are about to enter a world wide depression, no is not the time for hobbies
Why these carbon videos seem more satisfying than satisfying videos in general I don't know.
Because you learn something just by looking and get ideas what you can do with it .
Why do I find these so satisfying
Great video and yeah it's good to hear that you are back with some interesting projects
Thank you Saiyashwanth, I'm pleased you find this interesting.
Always wondered how the hell this was done.. Thank you so much guys.. Love your videos
Our pleasure. Thanks for watching!
I don't know how I even found this video just scrolling through UA-cam but that is actually a very cool process
Haha, thanks Dennis, sometimes entertainment comes from the strangest places!
you guys are killing it with these videos!!! great job!
Thanks Leon, stay tuned!
You guys make really interesting and good videos. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to more videos.
Thanks Justin, we appreciate the support. Keeps us going with them.
After watching this I feel like my car needs a carbon intake tube.
exactly what i was thinking ahaha
Especially that now you know that you could possibly make it at home. I wonder what kind of oven needs to be used though, and at what temps and duration.
same...
No way I just watched a video with you from 2008 and then this one popped up in recommended. That was a wild ride figuring out the long hair....
That’s just part of a 20 year commitment to composites! 👍
I liked and subscribed and as soon as I've learned enough to be competent I will purchase all my stuff from your website.
Well done guys 👍
Thank you !
Thanks, that's great to hear. We look forward to supplying you and seeing how you get on with your project.
What an amazing video, very clear and easy to understand that complex process!
Thanks again David, glad you enjoyed this one too.
Great video! Could you do a video on mould production using a 3D printer?
Yes, this is pretty much top of our list. Lots of people requesting 3D printed mould solutions; we'll put something together.
All of that work for just one pipe, can’t even begin to imagine what it takes to build a koenigsegg, the entire car is a carbonfiber
And that's why they cost millions of dollars as well.
At least they won't rust.
If you want an idea on the labor involved, check out the youtube channel Street Bandito. One of the guys is making (and is almost finished with) a full carbon body 240z. The guys does some fantastic work and his car looks gorgeous, all done himself.
GUNER 400 parts;)
But dont worrie you Pay for the extra Carbon time:)
@@readysetnogo I believe their channel is the reason why this video was recommended to me. I'm interested in handcrafted/homemade carbon fiber stuff. I'm glad there's other fans of the Street Bandito out here. They deserve more love for all of the effort they put into their builds especially the carbon z.
I've been waiting for this video to come out. Another great one thanks for posting!!!
Thanks, glad you liked it :)
Wow, I’ve been wondering how to do this for such a long time. This video is content gold!!
Thanks a lot, glad you enjoyed it and it helped you to understand the process.
Hi guys...thanks for all the tutorials.
Actually i was looking to make carbon fibre wheels ...could you guys make a tutorial for that too if possible?
Also do you guys ship to India?
I really wanted that chemical release agent
Hi Arsh, thanks for your comments. I'm not sure we'll make a video specifically about making carbon fibre wheels because it's unlikely that anyone at the learning stage of the their composites is going to take-on making carbon fibre wheels. However, the process would essentially be a combination of what you see in this video and in our bike frame video, with a lot of extra complexity and really critical calculations and knowledge for safety.
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Excellent video, thank you!
Thank you Graham :)
Really nice job, thank yous for sharing your craft... mountain bike came out really nice... and tubular components nifty ideas
Thanks Nancy, glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
So THAT'S how those those bike frames are made. Thank you for the tutorial 🙂
Check out our bike frame build video if you want to really get into the details of it! Thanks for watching and commenting?
this guy keeps us entertained during the Quarantine do give him a huge LIKE
Haha, thanks a lot :)
Have you used sacrificial mandrels 3D printed, this would give you a “tooled” internal surface,
What a great tutorial / demo!
Yay new easy composites video! and the right video at the right time i need it since i am working on an induction system
Haha, great, that's good timing then. We aim to please :)
Please you do indeed, i've started with Fiberglass and Carbon Fiber just recently, but have been watching your videos for years and they showed that it is alot of work but no magic involved, i have quite a few molds already, the whole vacuuming equipment is coming together piece by piece, until then i am using a food vacuum pump with the tubes and the clothes bags, which both release awesomely haha
This just makes me wanna make a sweet custom intake lol
So there's a couple videos on older (~2014 ish) formula 1 turbocharger intercooler tubing and what they where doing was the smooth side of the part was on the inside of the tubing. I think this was to preserve airflow and avoid turbulence losses. I really wanted to know how they actually molded those parts?
Link: ua-cam.com/video/LS47125tUzk/v-deo.html
The part is around the 13:10 mark
on that particular part there appears to be no undercuts on the larger opening but the throat of the intake would have likely been separate part of the negative keyed into the rest of the negative part. The process would be generally the same as creating the first mold for a standard part as seen in Easy Composites "Fibreglass/FRP Split-Mould Making Guide" or "How to Make a Prepreg Carbon Fibre Mould", except instead of having a split on the outer layer you would split the internal buck to easily remove it. For more complicated internal geometry you would have to include draft angles in the internal buck in order to ease removal as seen in "Making a Carbon Fibre Bike Frame" @32:30 with removing the inserts for the pass through on the frame.
Hi Christian, I'd agree with what Andrew says.The best process for parts that are 'smooth on the inside' would either be a made tool (if the part could be removed from the without becoming stuck) or it could be a male tool in more than one part, i.e. a split male tool, this would be common, or - for really complex shapes like induction shapes with multiple turns, then you could even use a sacrificial core. These wash-out or melt-out cores are a whole complex subject in their own right but in general they are made from a material that can be dissolved with water or melted out (lots to consider in terms of cure temp of the prepreg vs melt temp of the core) which is either cast (into a mould) or CNC machined.
Muito Loko !!! O cara que inventou quebrou a cabeça surreal
this is neat af, I hope he does more vids
Labor and skill intensive. Now I know why CF parts costs.
Hi Karl, yes indeed.
meh not really. fiberglass parts are cheap as fuck. Cf is only slightly more expensive to work with. but it looks cool and people are easily fooled. so why not charge out the ass for it? the skills here are very basic. the tools very basic.
Diesel Ramcharger
Basic skills? Then 99% of the population doesn’t possess basic skills. Lol
@@SkypowerwithKarl Just because you can't do it doesn't mean the rest of the world can't.
@@DieselRamcharger if what you are saying is true then make a carbon fiber part manufacturing business and make a killing. Ezpz right???
Wow man. I know im not going to he doing this any time soon due to financial reasons but when i do ill know whose videos to turn to. Superb explanations and very soothing to watch. Subbed.
Thank you, glad to have you on board :)
You’re back, yesssss. Thank you. Really enjoy watching these videos.
Thanks, yes, we always want to be producing content but sometimes the day-to-day holds us back!
This reminds me of my days working on the B-2 bomber. Days I'd rather forget. lol
Can we use the same process with vacuum infusion instead of pre-preg ?
he said you can but its not worth it
It's really very difficult to make something like this using a resin infusion process. Nothing is impossible but the practicalities of dealing with dry fabric and then handling the infusion consumables, it just makes it too difficult.
@@easycompositestv indeed it is. The resin needs heated and degassed for a start. The material needs an activator and heat, to create a pre-formed shape. And then the resin needs injected with compressed air pushing it in, with vacuum at the other side helping draw the heated resin to every crevice in the pre-form. That's the "vague" theory used by aerospace to make resin infused carbon parts 👍 (I worked on autoclaves in this way)
@@E9JMX The only things that I find wrong with your reply is #1. The A+B epoxy creates its own heat to cure. #2. You only need vacuum to draw the epoxy into the material. #3. Adding compressed air would add air to the mix. Keep in mind I used to do these processes when making carbon fiber prosthetics. Adding to the fact that we both understand manufacturing, our products might require different processes. Just throwing my two cents in.
Your videos are always top notch 👌 thank you for it
Thanks, we appreciate you comments and support :)
how can you only have 154k subscribers :( ???? this is the best , most entertaining and useful how to video i have come across related to carbon fiber. definitely subscribed !!!!!!!
Hi Abraham, thanks for the comments. Well, what we do is quite niche; no cats on pianos, minecraft or just giving cash away so I guess we get quality subscribers, not quantity :)
Now they have 371k subscribers. Their videos are pure gold. 🤙🏻
Actually, the inner bag stays pressurized to atmospheric pressure, 14.7 psi.
I would like to make a carbon fibre person as my personal companion.
Well done guys. I learned and am greatful. Keep them coming.
Thanks a lot, we'll do our best to keep them coming.
I would love to see a cideo of how you made the mold.
Love your vids
Hi Chris, the split-mould we used in this video is a prepreg carbon fibre tool. The patterns (for the two halves) were CNC machined from epoxy tooling board like in ua-cam.com/video/CWAvo8DIZ9s/v-deo.html and then the mould halves made from made from XT135 carbon fibre tooling prepreg like in ua-cam.com/video/k4GdAuNji5g/v-deo.html. There are other solutions for making high temperature moulds, such as a hand layup process using high temperature epoxy tooling gelcoat, resin and paste which you can find out about in this tutorial (on our website) www.easycomposites.co.uk/learning/hand-laminating-a-high-temperature-epoxy-mould
and this is why carbon fiber parts are so expensive
That's right I'm afraid!
Hyperian if you want to make them lower buy price just use industrial machines and bigger number of employees and you can produce more so price will be lower
@@PakleniVuk industrial machines = money. More employees = money. More machines + more employees + more money invested does not equal more demand.
@@kolyafreeman5414 + more production + more supply + more availability
- price - time ✌✌✌😅
@@samyoung8470 if it was that simple, we would be swimming in carbon fiber products nowadays. Modern mass manufacturing has existed for more than a century now and carbon fiber mass manufacturing has existed for more than half a century now. Even quality carbon bike frames are still in the $1k+ range.
now we know how hard can it be, when you want to make a Koenigzegg
For sure, this is labour intensive work!
Koenigsegg* but yeah it's stupidly hard. And koenigsegg makes sure all the weaves line up then sand down the outer to a perfect matte finish. So if it takes two hours to make this tube for a normal person, you can look at about four to six for koenigsegg.
This is awesome! I’m still trying to do the basics
I'm so glad I found u guys
I can and will make anything and everything from carbon fibre.
this is great! Can you list the steps you use here in writing
Great video ! How about doing another one on making the mold ? Looks like a really nice mold.
We probably won't make a video on this exact mould but we have covered the process (pretty-much) in two of our other videos. The split-mould we used in this video is a prepreg carbon fibre tool. The patterns (for the two halves) were CNC machined from epoxy tooling board like in ua-cam.com/video/CWAvo8DIZ9s/v-deo.html and then the mould halves made from made from XT135 carbon 10:00 28/04/2020fibre tooling prepreg like in ua-cam.com/video/k4GdAuNji5g/v-deo.html. There are other solutions for making high temperature moulds, such as a hand layup process using high temperature epoxy tooling gelcoat, resin and paste which you can find out about in this tutorial (on our website) www.easycomposites.co.uk/#!/composites-tutorials/High-Temp-Tooling-Gelcoat-Putty-Mould
This channel make me want to make hypercar company.
Amazing video.
Thanks a lot; maybe you should go for it!
cost of carbon fiber pieces: 10%, cost of materials.... 90% PITA tax
This looks exhausting and expensive.
Exactly why carbon parts are expensive
this is extremely satisfying.
I have no idea why youtube recommended me this one, but I enjoyed all of it.
Thanks!
It knows you better than you know yourself!
Very good informative video. Makes me want to start my own projects. What would be the easiest car part to start making? Interior trim, outer panels, induction etc etc...
Hi Kevin, I would say that modest sized external components are a good starting point. Interior trim pieces tend to be rather fiddly and have added complexities of mounting lugs etc. If you're thinking of using prepregs, such as shown in this video, then induction components could be a good place to start, or some exterior details like scoops or vents.
Another amazing ASMR video!
I’m curious about double sided parts that you can’t bag inside. Something you would core fill with balsa wood or maybe even wrapping around an aluminum skeleton. The only thing I can think of is gluing the two halves together after molding but I wonder what affect if they are structural components. Something like a race car suspension arm that had sleeves molded where it mounts and where the ballpoint would attach.
I do this for a living and that was a superb job !
Thanks Dave
Gorgeous!
Five Star Tutorials !!!! ... THANK YOU
Thanks Shawn, glad you liked it.
Excellent video as always! 👍
Thanks Andrew, appreciate your comments and support.
Amazing work and skills.
Thanks very much 😀
Thank you a lot for this amazing videos !!
You're very welcome Richard, our pleasure.
Amazing. Great video.
Never stop doing this videos please🙏
We'll try Luis :)
Very helpful. Thanks a lot👍 It would be interesting, when you can make a video "how to make a negative mould for a Carbonfibre tube or elbow" .
To be honest I think the videos we've already made will tell you all you need to know about how this mould way made. The split-mould we used in this video is a prepreg carbon fibre tool. The patterns (for the two halves) were CNC machined from epoxy tooling board like in ua-cam.com/video/CWAvo8DIZ9s/v-deo.html and then the mould halves made from made from XT135 carbon 10:00 28/04/2020fibre tooling prepreg like in ua-cam.com/video/k4GdAuNji5g/v-deo.html.
More great instruction! Thank you! At risk of sounding ungrateful... Any chance you will show how you made the mould for that tube? Please keep the videos coming!
Yes please I second that.
Check the bike frame video - looks to be the same process using tooling prepreg (it has an integral black gel coat. Easy Composites high temp epoxy gel coat is grey, so this is not a wet lay carbon mould.)
Hi Vinn, yes, as the others have posted it's a prepreg carbon fibre tool. The patterns (for the two halves) were CNC machined from epoxy tooling board like in ua-cam.com/video/CWAvo8DIZ9s/v-deo.html and then the mould halves made from made from XT135 tooling prepreg like in ua-cam.com/video/k4GdAuNji5g/v-deo.html
Brilliant as usual guys
Thank you! Appreciated.
I'm in love with your channel.
Can you guys also make a video about the stiffness and flexibility of carbon parts? Tensile strength, bending torsion etc. according to the number of different layers and production types. That might be very useful information for us before we start production. By the way, great quality content, thank you
Yes, we're planning this right now. You probably noticed we have our universal test rig so we can perform any kind of tests like this. We'll do something comparing different materials and forms quite soon.
@@easycompositestv Perfect, i am looking forward to your test datas
Hi, Nice video once again. I was wondering watching the 2 tube video s you did lately how you would tackle a velocity stack intakes used in motorcycles and cars.
Actually we used to make those! If you're talking about individual intake rings then they're a pretty simple moulding. One part mould, the mould looks like the male shape, and then we used prepreg carbon laminated onto the male mould, and then vac bagged and cured. Very simple parts to make.
@@easycompositestv cool. Will think of trying the prepreg way then. Was using infusion for now but this seems the best way to go now.
@@easycompositestv any 4" intake ones about in the shop ;)
that mtn bike is some serious work.
This guy is awesome, I cant wait to order some carbon from You and do my unique project 🙏🥳🔥
That's great to hear. Look forward to working with you soon :)
Your videos are excellent.
Glad you like them!
I love you guys, all of your videos are just incredibly useful and always very well done. I hate that you are in the UK because shipping across the pond to the US is always incredibly expensive. I'd buy a ton of your stuff if I could get it here and it all the stuff was wired for US voltages, whether it's 120, 240, or 480, idc. I just wish shipping wasn't so expensive.
Hi Kevin, thanks for the comments. Who know, maybe Easy Composites USA will happen one day. Thanks for watching though and sorry we're not a lot more local to you.
I liked very much & subscribed to see more please. wonderfully teaching video. thanks a lot.
You’re welcome, glad you’re enjoying the content 👍.
Thanks for sharing, great video!
Thanks for watching Gonzalo!
nice material