It's HARD to think of my loved ones in hell.
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- This is hard for me too. I don't offer my answer with a calloused heart or without considering how difficult it really is. But, I hope that in my own limited attempt to offer help you will find some wisdom and hopefulness. My answer will probably fall short but I am really just saying "wait" because the full revelation of the glory and goodness of God will answer this for you in due time.
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I just loss my oldest daughter to murder/suicide, and then my oldest son to drug overdose Fentynal within two months apart. People tell me, OH you'll see them in Heaven, but I don't know that, and what thier walk with Jesus truly was. But like Job, I will never doubt the will, way, and purpose of God. So I keep my eyes on Jesus, not looking to the left, or right, and keep running the good race, and fighting the good fight. For I know my faith in Jesus the size of a mustard seed, will move my mountains, and that same faith in Jesus, will help me overcome the obstacles along my journey that the Precious Lord has blessed me with AMEN.
Oh I am So sorry😢. What a tragedy. I prayed for you
im sorry for your loss. i just wanna tell you that your faith gives me so much hope ♥✝🙏🏼may the peace of Christ be with you
Wow , 1st Im so sorry, and it's beautiful to see that you are so faithful to God after all this. Praying for you right now.
Oh Dear, I am so sorry for your loss. Your testimony touches me deeply. Amen, let's keep our eyes fixed on Jesus til the end.
Big hugs. I'm so sorry for your losses.
This question is what triggered my deconstruction which led to my deconversion. Let's keep asking this question! Human empathy can and should override religious superstition.
Perfectly said.
Unhappily, you are correct. An eternal, everlasting torture chamber, kept in existence and sustained by a God of love is antithetical to common sense.
I am not saying that you should have abandoned ship. There were probably other reasons as well. However, had you spoken to me before abandoning Him, I would have showed you from the Bible that clearly, God is not a God who tortures people for the endless ages of eternity. That doctrine is straight out of satans plan to deceive people into believing a God of Love is actually evil.
@@marks9935 are you an annihilationist by chance?
@@marks9935 Well, your view is healthier than unironically thinking that non-christians and even some christians deserve eternal torture for not being convinced of a human's specific view, so that definitely counts for something. I like to think most christians aren't literal psychopaths like mike.
@@marks9935 You would have to start by demonstrating, with good, credible evidence, that your particular "God" existed. Thereafter, we could talk about its characteristics. "For the Bible tells me so" is NOT good, credible evidence, by the way.
I was a Catholic but I had never truly understood Jesus until last year. I am turning 50 this year and I am now saved. I don’t belong to a church, I didn’t have anyone speak to me about Jesus but the Holy Spirit came in to my heart and the vail was removed. All I can say is if you seek him you will find him. Jesus is the truth the way and the life.
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Actually it was Jesus who sought you out and revealed himself to you. 😊 my experience was similar.
You can't blame the Catholic Church for you not understanding Jesus. I was a Protestant and didn't practise Christianity until I became a Catholic.
There are 65 occurrences in the Bible with the word that is translated hell. And that is the word sheol in Hebrew, It is not hell... It means grave or pit...choose any instances and we can discuss them....winger is lying to you about hell
So thankful that you have become a Christian. You need to find you a church where you can grow and meet other believers. We need each other. If you live in North Texas, I can help you find a good church.
“Pray without ceasing” “ask and you shall receive” “do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.” My suggestion is, everytime you think about that unsaved person, you pray. And remember nothing moved God without faith, so believe that God who created everything can do anything!
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I had zero Christian influences in my life. God still found me. God loves them deeply and is pursuing them in His love. Pray for them. Plant seeds. Trust the work of the Holy Spirit.
same! He found me!!
God does the saving from beginning to end. Once we're in heaven, we'll understand his justice and holiness. On this side of eternity, while we still have our flesh, it's impossible to understand how God can save some but not others
"I was born Hindu and then joined the WMSCOG (the one from South Korea) in 2012. I left in 2017, which was difficult because I had to say goodbye to many friends and people there. After leaving, I became confused and angry towards every religion, but eventually found my way back to Jesus. However, Bible scholars took that away from me, but I don't blame them for it. Somehow, YHVH called me back, even though I don't know how. I love Him very much, but I also get angry with Him sometimes. He's more of a father to me than my actual father, and although my logical brain doesn't want me to believe, I feel like He has chosen me. I don't need proof anymore because I can see Him in the universe. The more I learn about the universe, the closer I feel to Him. I'm a work in progress, but life goes on. However, I still ask myself every day - what's the point of all this?"
@@Ghost-pb4ts It is hard when there is not a good relationship with our earthly dads. I pray the Lore will bring you healing so you can find your value and your purpose. Be faithful with what you do have while you are waiting🙏🏻💕
Thank you for sharing, it helps give me hope
I feel for this person’s pain. I felt the same way for my daughter for years. I prayed in pain all the time. In my prayers, I felt His Spirit lead me to know that He loves her more than I do. Keep praying. Trust God. His timing is different than ours. Continue to be the light for your family. By the way…my daughter now follows Christ & is growing in her faith 🙏❤✝️.
Praise the Lord!
That's soo awesome!!! I'm soooo happy for you. Please please pray for my daughter, she's thinks she's gay and lives that lifestyle. I pray daily and fast weekly for her. I CANNOT imagine not seeing her in heaven. I LOVE HER SO MUCH ❤❤❤. PLEASE PRAY FOR HER ALSO!!
Your words bring comfort to my heart. Everyone has their own time and season to accept Jesus.
There are 65 occurrences in the Bible with the word that is translated hell. And that is the word sheol in Hebrew, It is not hell... It means grave or pit...choose any instances and we can discuss them....winger is lying to you about hell
the false hellfire doctrine is what brought me to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses , and I know that God does not burn people for all eternity for what a person did over a 70 or 80 years of life and sinning. Romans 6:7 the wages of sin is death, the dead are concious of nothing at all, Psalms 146:4 "Psalm 146:4
King James Version
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." if our thoughts perish then how can we feel pain in the false hellfire with no conciousness at Ecc 9:5. Your dead love one are not in a hellfire they are dead. Romans 6:7
I fell so sad for all the comments here. They tell stories about pain and suffering, and logically they know that it is not right for a loved one to go to hell, but they still keep the the faith in god no matter what, exaclty what is hurting them. If you really think you are going to be happy knowing that you daughter or someone else is burnning forever in hell, you are not even human.
The TL;DR of the stories:
"My relative invoked/failed to invoke god's help. He abruptly died! What a wonderfull god we have"
It's deeply disturbing to be honest. I can't imagine the mindset of what it takes to square these things in one's mind.
You, my sister, have the good common sense that God gave you. Unfortunately, many people are deceived and spread the lie of satan that God is an evil person by stating that He would torture people throughout the endless ages of eternity. They don't stop and think that God would have to keep them alive, and that He would have to make it so they feel, yet do not consume away. What kind of devious mind could concoct something like that? I answer, only one person. The devil himself - and he attaches this belief to the Loving Creator!
@@marks9935 So what happens if I don't believe in your god and he instead is real? I'd get into heaven? I don't think that would be really so much different from hell: eternity, praising a being that shouldn't NEED praise because he's omnipotent, and doesn't NEED praise because any vitruous being wouldn't want to be praised, because the good he does just comes from his earth and not for ego stroking. Stripped of my free will, just a robot until the end of times that could possibly never come. How do you imagine yourself after 90 billions years of uninterrupted praising?
@@kregorovillupo3625 I agree. Heaven sounds like it would suck balls.
When I worry about this I simply remind myself that God loves them far more than I do. And He will do all things possible to reach them
??? All things possible? Doesn't it say that it's his will to redeem all things? That he will leave the 99 to find the 1 lost, etc? If he is omniscient, how would he not be able to reach these people of he is truly doing to everything possible?
@GregMartin81 because it's ultimately the persons decision
@@kaiiza1906 do you think maybe people would knowingly not choose God if God did everything possible to reach them?
@@kaiiza1906 You really believe souls willingly choose to be tortured for all eternity in hellfire? ok... Sounds like mental gymnastics so you don't have to question your beliefs.
An entity that makes/allows something like Hell to exist at all... you think that this thing is more loving towards you care about than you are? That is INSANE.
Good question! My heart also hurts for all my unsaved friends and family. My 22 year old moved out behind our backs, cut us out of her life and also told us she is not a christian but that she had “tried to be”. When I think of what awaits her if she doesn’t come to faith, it definitely makes me cry. I pray for her daily to come to faith. I was able to share the gospel with my 93 year old Grandmother and she came to faith 2 months before she died. One thing that has helped me a lot this year is seeing the betrayal of humanity toward God from the very first pages of Genesis. And tracing that thread through the entire bible. It brings me to tears. His judgment is right and true… and he is so full of grace and mercy, and patience for us to come to faith, yet we don’t deserve it. Praying for all the hearts that are hurting over unsaved friends and family. God bless ❤
I was a very dedicated lef tist atheist at 22. My parents were ex-Christians so I was raised to have a very negative view of Christianity. If you had told me I would become a believer someday I would have sworn at you and laughed in your face. Then out of the blue, in my mid-forties, the Good Shephard reached out and collected this lost sheep! I'm so grateful that He never gave up on me. I wish my mom had still been around so I could have shared the truth of Christ with her, but that's another story. My point is that I understand your despair, and in your situation I would be afraid too, but remember that as long as your daughter is alive there is hope. Keep praying, and may God bless you and your daughter.
Anywhere that is away from God... is not good. God is the only one who allows good. To assume that there is no such thing as hell, or that hell is not an unpleasant place, or a life without God is ok... should turn to Jesus imo. Why would God want to be with Him when the person devoted their life to the world and not a personal relationship with Jesus Christ?
I just prayed for you ❤
@@NMemoneWhat exactly reached out to you?
Do you know who isn't the Christ? The one you call the Christ, that's the deception to the one you falsely call the Christ Matthew 24:4-5.
Do you know who the devil is according to the one you falsely call the Christ? Your God. That's what he said John 8:44.
Jesus Barabba who's NOT the Christ, said from the beginning your YHWH devil God was a liar and a murderer. Story checks out, he lied to Adam when he said he'd die the day he ate the fruit, but killed him later by denying him fruit from the tree of life.
Wake up
I feel this.
I came to Christ in 2016... seemingly out of nowhere (it was in a particularly hellish personal trial).
My whole family was atheist and I was in the new age.
8 years later and my son is 7 years in Christ, my husband is 4 years in Christ, my daughter is 3 years in Christ, my other daughter is 1 year in Christ.
My parents and brother are still not at all interested but they see the way the Holy spirit has healed each of us in fundamental ways and it's making (particularly) my mum think 🤔
My heart is for the not yet saved, my prayers are for all my friends and family that can't yet see or hear or know the love and redemption of Jesus 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Praise the Lord! I hope this happens for my family as well 🙏🏽 much love
So happy for you! I pray that your family will stay close to Christ always
Sounds like your whole family has been indoctrinated in silly superstition, there is no invisible guy in the sky, it's all a fairy story.
Please hear Truth, my friends .The Truth of the matter is this. GOD IS HOLY, and we are born of sin, we inherited our sin nature from Adam and Eve. And thus we are of darkness. And we can not stand before an HOLY GOD and not be obliterated. Just like when one turns on a light in a dark room, it obliterates the darkness, because light and darkness can not share the same space.
So GOD wanted to have us back into HIS presence and live. Therefore HE came down as a man to suffer and die for our sins and rose again so as that anyone who would be Born Again into His Family, could now inherit Eternal Life. Because we become part of The Light .
Those who are in hell, chose their destination.
Hell was originally made for the devil and his imps, because they no longer desired to be of The Light. So thus GOD removed HIS presence from them which created Hell. So because we are all sons of Adam and daughters of Eve through their decision to join with the devil , decided for us also to join in the darkness of sin and the devil.
Now GOD seeing it’s not fair for us, and because of HIS great love for us, Came down to offer us a New Inheritance, if we are Born Again in Him according to Acts:2:38. That Scripture is the process that’s necessary to change our inheritance from Sin and death to LIFE JOY AND HAPPINESS IN YEHOSHUA HAMASHIACH! That’s why there are two testaments. Two ‘wills’ Old Testament of Adam and Eve, and New Testament of Yehoshua HaMashiach.
Hence the reason there are two testaments in the Bible. Adam and Eve in their ‘WILL’ left us an inheritance of sin and death. But GOD coming down in The Flesh as the Man Christ/ Yehoshua died and left us an inheritance of Life Eternal..
just like when a baby is born there is always water and Blood. Same in Christ , He says in John 3:5 we MUST be Born Again of Water and of The Spirit else we can NOT enter The Kingdom of GOD.
THUS everyone who is in Hell made that choice.
It’s NOT that GOD wanted it this way, and it’s not that HE’s punishing them, they chose their own destiny and GOD will NOT interfere with our choice.
That is also why the doctrine of believing only is evil. Even Yehoshua said in Mark 16:16 He that believeth AND is Baptized shall be saved. Now what saves us if we do these things? The Holy Ghost. When one repent and is baptized in YEHOSHUA HAMASHIACH Name then the HOLY GHOST SHALL fill us evidenced by speaking in heavenly tongues as all did through out the book of Acts ,and save us from Damnable Hell fire.
Please remember all those scriptures about believing and having Faith in the letters from the apostles, were all written to saints, not sinners. The letters were instruction on how to Stay clear of GOD’s wrath which fall upon HIS disobedient children. And how to believe that if we sin after we are Born Again that Christ Blood will cleanse us even from that sin.
I pray that you will have the understanding of Salvation , I Lobe you all!
@@steadfastunmoveable9751 Blah Blah Blah ... Same old same old, think of how many people would be converted to Christianity if your God put in an appearance and proved beyond doubt that he existed.
A trick he could perform to that end would be if he appeared on every television channel and computer screen throughout the world for one hour, regardless of whether the device was plugged into a power source or not, in fact everybody could turn their TV off and he would still be there explaining his policies and telling people all over the world how they should live their lives.
Once the show was over nobody could complain that they had not been told and there would be no excuses for wavering, many people on UA-cam claim to have visited Jesus and if they are to be taken at their word then there is no reason why God should not appear to everyone and put the story beyond doubt.
Your God is supposed to be omnipotent and can do anything so this miracle surely could not be beyond him, if he really desires people to live by his beliefs and end up in Heaven he could do this and then there would be no reason for him to hand his creations (who he says he loves) over to Satan and the torture pit.
And this brings up another question, If his subjects have been unfaithful to him and haven`t led pure and chaste lives why doesn’t he just kill them and then they could be in the same state as they were before they were born, why have them perpetually punished? Surely being burned and tortured forever is a little harsh when he professes to love them, that love seems very shallow.
No doubt the purveyors of religion will find some words in the bible which preclude God from appearing to us or showing some understanding and mercy, maybe the invisible guy in the sky isn't really there and mankind has been deluding itself for Centuries.
What a basic premise this so called God has been operating under, "Devote yourself to me or I'll throw you into the fire"
I was a lone sheep too. That was 30 years ago. God has done so much in my entire family. Trust him. He knows your heart.
This is probably the best I’ve heard on the topic. My father died two years ago in November and I honestly never thought I would survive his death if he ever died outside of Christ.
He was an alcoholic most of my life. He was abusive and I remember as a child just praying to have my dad. To have a real dad.
My dad got sober. And I prayed he’d get saved. I prayed. I shared my testimony with him. I did my best to navigate his sobriety and disbelief with my childhood trauma and foundation in Christ.
Dad never came to Christ. And I am blessed to know Gods mercy was upon him in this life. He got sober. We had ten great years. My three kids never knew the angry drunk he used to be. Only the most amazing grandpa they mourned losing.
God is my true father. He has sustained me through it all and the thing I thought I could never get passed is one I can now accept. Do I understand it all fully? Nope. But we don’t know anything fully. We’re not God.
But He is good. He is just. And whether He calls out family members out of their sin isn’t up to us but we still do what we can with hope and trust Him with the rest in all things.
My husband recently told me he no longer thinks he’s a believer. We’ve had some hard years. So right now I truly am the only believer on both sides of my family (aside from our 12 year old who professes faith, please pray for her)
But I appreciate you’re channnel brother and your your thoughts. They have helped me through so much the last few years.
I pray for you ❤️🙏🏻
If your husband was truly saved and he walks away from the Lord, thinking as he does; you can't lose your salvation once you have it. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit! Grab your King James Bible open it up and you will read in the letters and the Gospels, the scriptures that validate that. Once saved always saved!
Keep praying for your husband and be still in your mind and spirit and let God take control over him. Not easy, I know.
You keep trusting and obeying God. I waited 20 years for my sister and she finally got saved last November 😊✝️💖
@@bornagain2890 So true. And praise God for your sister coming to faith!
would love to pray for your daughter... whats her name please? 🤍
Praying for your family
My unsaved loved ones are on my mind daily. It is hard to have joy when you are so aware of this.
i can't help but feel that "unsaved" is a flawed concept, a human oversimplification that is incompatible with god's true nature. do you not think god cares more about the reasons WHY someone believes or does not believe, as opposed to strict belief/nonbelief? if god is all loving, god will handle the situation more fairly than you could have ever imagined. no?
@@conrad03 Yes. We are all on our own spiritual journey and God will come for us when we are ready to come to Him. :)
Keep praying, never give up.
There are 65 occurrences in the Bible with the word that is translated hell. And that is the word sheol in Hebrew, It is not hell... It means grave or pit...choose any instances and we can discuss them....winger is lying to you about hell
@@conrad03 I agree. Because god is going to send someone to hell because they didn't have a church in their town that would baptize them. or they didn't genuinely believe in the resurrection. Yep, seems like the thought process of a being that possesses intellect and justice far beyond human comprehension. I cannot stand the fear tactics that are so fundamental to christianity.
I got saved while still a Catholic, and my Catholic family couldn't stand it. My mother in particular never lost an opportunity to make jibes. Towards the end of her very long life, she allowed me to pray regularly with her. I left Catholicism but my parents and sister remained. I trust in God's mercy for their salvation. No one else in my family is a Christian, including my son who abandoned the faith when people tried to get him to speak in tongues. It is heartbreaking, but I keep on praying. At age 74, I wonder if there will be any breakthrough in my lifetime, but God is sovereign.
Catholics are christians
Aren't Catholics Christians? I'm not a Catholic but I know many Catholics that are saved.
Why would you assume your Catholic parents are any less Christian than you?
He’s sovereign but the overwhelming picture we get in Scripture is that He doesn’t exercise His sovereignty to force people to do what He wants, including accepting His salvation. Hence the pages and pages of Him expressing His exasperation over people’s disobedience.
Catholics are no less brothers and sisters in Christ than baptists or any other denomination.
The last 30 seconds of this are absolutely chilling. Its incredibly sad to see what religion does to some people. Or maybe hes always been a sociopath.
What's sociopathic about it
The complete lack of empathy. Guy contacts him with a problematic question for Christians. How could an all loving God send members of his family to hell for the "crime" of non belief?.
His answer. Just wait bro. Wait till your dead and not only will you understand but you'll be cool with it. And you will see the love that God has for your loved ones burning in hell and for you and its all just awesome and righteous.
I'll bet that helped the guy no end. How does telling someone that there family is going to burn in hell but hey don't worry about it, it's all good not show a complete lack of empathy. I'm serious. I think Wingers a sociopath.
@@andrewtuff216 he's a lot worse than that. He's a money fixated narcissistic psycho. Chilling when 'people' like him get to be in charge...
@andrewtuff216 well you definitely took what he said out of context. The idea is that although we won't understand it now. When we meet God we will understand his judgement. Hell is the place where people God who not only don't believe but reject God. It's not that God punishes the ignorant but those who choose not to believe or choose not to accept. God wants us to be with him. He extends his hand to us always. So those who don't take it are doing so put of refusal. As the Bible teaches we will all be without excuse
@@president234 you just used a whole load of words to say "you'll be ok with your family members burning in hell" 🤮🤮
Very well put my friend. My brother passed away just over a year ago. He had never shown to me any inclination toward God but the last words I heard out of his mouth were, " God in heaven help me." I like to think that God did this because He is mighty to save and shows mercy in judgment by His own word and for His own names sake. Just as he did for the thief on the cross. AMEN
That's just like the thief that was hanging on the cross next to Jesus. He asked Jesus to remember him.
I think maybe you are right sometimes we make it too hard, look at the woman who just touched the hem of Jesus garment and was instantly healed, God's mercy is probably beyond our comprehension.
Absolutely insane 🤦♂️
Most likely Hitler had said the same thing and now he is in heaven with your brother.
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Instead of doubting His goodness, we should doubt *our* goodness.
Hmmm! Powerful statement!
The premise is wrong, not yours ( i agree with you). God is righteous. If good means perfect, then God is Holy. We think Good means man gets l the good stuff. Nope, did not the Bible says the focus of men is for Jesus. Many are called, few are chosen. Christ chooses his bride.
If you don't believe in your goodness, then how can you hope to believe in yourself?
@@DiogoJ1 "Believe in yourself" is pop psychology. Let us rather trust in the grace of God.
@@Dizerner I can believe in both just fine.
That's the conclusion I've drawn as well Mike. Once we are stripped of all sin and are beholding the Lord, we'll see through the mirror more clearly and we'll understand. God's ways are not our ways, His ways are always good. I know that and trust it.
His ways are righteous. Good = perfect = Holy. Man is not.the centre. Jesus is the centre, and all things are made through him=> for him
@@Logic807so eternal and infinite torment is the righteous thing for a God to inflict on mortal creatures who committed a finite number of crimes? And he supposedly loves these creatures? Maybe God was right... "But better than both is the one who has never been born" Ecclesiastes 4:3
We should have wishes to never have been created if this is the "Holy" God who created us
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Nonsense, You have the Bible and it clearly explains, there's no such place as hell and your loved ones are not going there and neither are you... But you are going to your grave and you can be there awaiting aresurrection or you can be there for all eternity... That depends on how you accept the good news when it comes to your door.
@@gustavusadolphus4344 I would agree with you IF there were no means of salvation.
However, given the fact that redemption is freely given makes it easy to avoid this fate.
For many, the biggest hurdle for people to overcome is pride. They think they have done nothing that requires redemption, or they think they can create a better system than God.
@@Nacl-y Is it freely given and equally easily understood by everyone? What about someone who was raped by their pastor and saw nothing of abuse from "men of God"? Straight to hell because they refused to enter into a system that hurt them so badly? What about a Muslim man who lives in Turkey and has a wife and kids. His entire life Islam is what was taught to him and Islam is what he knows. Eternal torment? What about someone who has heard of Christianity only in passing and is killed at age 30? No repentance for something you barley understand so torture FOREVER?
Is this Justice?
God is NOT just a righteous judge, but the Sovereign King of all creation. He is NOT bound to His own law like we are. For God said, _“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”_ He can save ANYONE He has mercy and compassion on: No matter who, or no matter what they’ve done or didn’t do.
To believe someone you know of is in Hell is casting yourself as _judge._ And you are _not._ You have no idea if Christ went to them and saved them at their last moment; for He has the power and the authority to do so.
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Thank you. ❤
Here's who God will have mercy on:
"God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Rom. 11:32,36)
The god you believe in is not bound by his law? He gave that law to moses for the israelites to be like him.
@@TyronSmith-yo5tt As the Sovereign King of the Universe, He can pardon from His law anyone He desires. We are bound to His Law, but He is not bound to them.
I'll add there is grace upon grace for mental health disordered folks who have had their identities stripped bare to raw pain. We serve a loving, compassionate Father.
Thank you for saying this. I agree.
I can relate, but be encouraged. The thief on the cross next to Jesus was saved in his final hours. Stay faithful in prayer. 🙏🥰
Same js true for me … I’m the only Christian in my family - I understand this entirely . Although God has touched my families heart by the way my life has changed - It was quite literally a 180. Keep praying God can do great things .
Prayed for your family ❤
@@user-jt3ex9pl8s Thank you so much ! That means a lot to me .
Mike, I am fairly new to your channel but I just wanted to say thank you for your videos. I’m a new born Christian two months ago after growing up Jehovah’s Witness. None of my family are believers and I am distraught at the thought of them being in hell. I’m trying to teach them the correct gospel of Jesus Christ but I’m also trying to trust gods will. Your videos make me feel comforted. I had a hard time trusting pastors and other religions because I didn’t know what to believe. It’s all so clear to me now, and your videos helped immensely, thank you!!
As hard as it is to admit, Scripture, even Jesus proclaims that not all will be saved, in fact many will be lost, it is heartbreaking that so many refuse the free gift of salvation from the Father in Chirst.
“You don’t yet understand the goodness of God in relation to His judgment of sin and His punishment of sinners.”
Gosh, that was awesome to hear. Thank you, Mike.
So says Mike
the false hellfire doctrine is what brought me to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses , and I know that God does not burn people for all eternity for what a person did over a 70 or 80 years of life and sinning. Romans 6:7 the wages of sin is death, the dead are concious of nothing at all, Psalms 146:4 "Psalm 146:4
King James Version
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." if our thoughts perish then how can we feel pain in the false hellfire with no conciousness at Ecc 9:5. Your dead love one are not in a hellfire they are dead. Romans 6:7
Not *ever* doubting God's goodness. Just grieving their hardness of heart towards Him... 😥
1000 times yes. Exactly. Never doubint God's goodness, timing, will, just crying inside, and praying endlessly.
Don't forget that god will just flush away any sorrows you feel about your loved ones roasting in eternal torture when you go to heaven. You won't even need to think about them once you are there. No suffering in heaven, almost as if they never existed in the first place when you have an eternity of blissful ignorance. If you somehow think you would be ok with knowing your loved ones are in pain while you are not and not feeling a single pang of sorrow then I seriously doubt your very humanity. I suppose god must remove that part of you when you ascend to heaven. "God's goodness" while he created the exact place where they suffer in torment for eternity, so much for all loving. A loving creator with infinite power could have done so much better, god of the bible sounds like a petty tyrant infant, your god would be a disgusting monster if he existed at all.
Isn't that God's fault since he hardens hearts?
@@tomasrocha6139 If you read about Pharaoh, it's clear that God only hardens those hearts who are already hard. He lets them do as they want.
@@ingela_injeela KJV Exodus 9:12 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.
Exodus 10 1 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these signs of mine among them 2 that you may tell your children and grandchildren how I dealt harshly with the Egyptians and how I performed my signs among them, and that you may know that I am the Lord.”
Remember that our fight is not with flesh and blood. To those of our loved ones who aren't saved and won't listen to our evangelizing the best thing to do is pray for them. Prayer is extremely powerful in spiritual warfare and can chase some of those spirits away. God wants everyone saved and rest assured, at the very least gives everyone an opportunity. If all you can do is plant that seed, it may turn out to be enough to redeem them one day.
Well said, Mike. I battled this same kind of thing when I lost my father about 20 years ago and then again when my unsaved cousin committed suicide. Part of it is simply accepting that we're not God and we don't get to make the rules or have a say in what happens to our eternal souls, except where we decide whether or not to accept his Son as our savior. So much of my family tried to show my cousin the truth and lead him to the Lord, but (to our knowledge) he never accepted that. The onus is on each one of us to make that decision for ourselves, and we can never force someone else to choose the Lord.
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i struggle with this issue too. with 2 daughters, 1 which appears to believe and 1 having little to no interest. i despair at the thought and my inability to change the situation.
mike this is a great video and comforting of being faithful and trusting God
Praying for you! I so can relate to what you said about your daughter. My oldest daughter (22) left our home, and has cut the rest of us out of her life. The rest of us being christians and her saying she is not, saying she “tried to be”. She was deceiving us for over 2 years about her faith. I pray God has mercy on her and brings her to faith before it’s too late. God bless you ❤
You should be happy for your daughter's, regardless of their beliefs. I have a Christian dad who also wants me to return to Christianity. You believing she will go to hell probably hurts her a lot, and also probably makes her dislike Christianity too. From her point of view you would rather serve a monster who is sending her to hell than be understanding of her beliefs. How can your daughter feal love from you when you communicate to her that her burning in hell is just. I guess another way of putting it is like this, you probably love your daughter with all your heart, what would your daughter have to do to make you send her to hell? Hopefully you'll answer the same as my dad, nothing. Which makes you as a father already better than God
@@peskymenplopsThis is an abominable reply. I understand you are struggling with your faith, I've been there and its a hard part of life - i pray that your faith is restored and you would know the fullness of God's love. However, it is shameful for you to claim ANYONE is better than our Almighty God who died for all the worlds sin. God freely offers salvation and forgiveness to any who would seek it, but He does not force any of us to seek and ask for that forgiveness and salvation - such an act would be truly immoral, and God is a moral and just God.
I pray you find God again, and i hope to know you in Heaven.
@@peskymenplopsParents also need to ensure they aren’t compromising the truth of God’s word and telling a water downed gospel. Human parents will never be greater than God especially in eternity. Be blessed and I hope you find the truth in God’s word.
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The only reason you believe what you do is because you are so scared of the God you worship. The God you worship is morally repugnant and you dare not question him because of what you think He will do to you.
Mike we could see how deeply you feel about this issue. We all have family that just won’t listen. you are genuinely so caring. Thankyou
To me if my family members end up going to hell after they hear the gospel, they are truly just enemies of God. And if they are enemies of God they don’t want anything to do with the light that is in you.
Thanks. I needed to hear this. I have seen the Light of the Lord in my life. He has driven back into school, Bible school, of which I am learning so much about his word. I share my thoughts and inspirations with my family who are supportive and loving but still have their hearts hardened towards Christ. I have wept many a time for their souls and know in my heart that the Lord is just. Yet, to be consoled in this manner truly brings warmth to where despair was taking hold.
This terrifies me on so many levels... thank you so so much for speaking on this!! I have prayed so hard for help in letting go, and fully surrendering things like this to god... I don't know if I've done a good job of it... but anytime I start to feel the despair start to creap back in, I just take a moment to pray. First thanking God for my salvation and for the presence of the Holy Spirit in my life, and then humbly asking for any guidance that might help, then lastly just praying that if it be God's will, please touch their hearts... help them to see through the wickedness that seems to be invading every aspect of daily life... the constant "be/ or you are your own god" type messaging that is everywhere!! The new age MANIFEST your dreams!! Etc.
I pray that some how the veil that seems to be covering so many's eyes... that it be lifted so that they might see... but make sure to ask for forgiveness for that fear/anxiety and to resurrender fully to the will of God... in conversation with God I try to find the words to fully express the thoughts and feelings that lead me to fear or worry about things I have no buisness to... I am a worrier by nature, I have had a very hard life, all I've ever really known is heartache and loss... I believe the lord is working on my heart, helping me to put all those broken pieces back, and though it is hard, is teaching me how to be patient and how to live KNOWING that he's got it all under control...
Thank you once again Mike for broaching topics others shy away from....and thank you Heavenly Father, Lord Jesus, and Holy Spirit for being with me always!! And for helping me discover little by little that I AM loved and lovable... I'm so so very thankful for your love and grace... please help me continue on this path of discovery... I pray this person too finds the strength to speak with you Father, to pour out their fears, and replace them with the joy and peace that only you can provide... In the name.of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit I pray,
Amen, Amen, and Amen
The Bible says the wages sin pays is death. No need to have morbid fear. God wouldn’t do that to you or your loved ones.
Thank you Mike. In January my brother died suddenly, after spending his adult life making fun of me as a Christian and mocking Christians in general, and since then I’ve been tormenting myself over what became of him in the end. This is most helpful to me. ❤
If this doesn't show how wicked Christianity truly is, nothing will.
I've had similar questions at different times in my life, having lost a few close friends at a young age. There is no easy answer, but it has always helped me to remind myself that we all rely on the grace of God.
My mother who I love is now burning in hell because she rejected the gospel.
It's a bitter pill to swollow but it is the reality that comes with rejection of such a beautiful salvation in Christ Jesus.
All glories to the Lamb of God.
People don't burn forever. They are burnt up and are no more.
Revelation 20:12-15
And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
@@victorianlover3328Preach, brother!
Romans 2:7 says that immortality is only granted to the saved.
How can people enjoy life knowing their loved ones are suffering in hell? I can't fathom this
@@victorianlover3328yes! Conditionalists represent!!!
Religion belongs in the DSM. @@GG-vq6ro
"We are setting ourselves up as the 'judge of God.'" Exactly. Well said.
You judge him too. The difference is you somehow judge him good.
Or you abdicate your own responsibility to use your own judgement.
Please hear Truth, my friends .The Truth of the matter is this. GOD IS HOLY, and we are born of sin, we inherited our sin nature from Adam and Eve. And thus we are of darkness. And we can not stand before an HOLY GOD and not be obliterated. Just like when one turns on a light in a dark room, it obliterates the darkness, because light and darkness can not share the same space.
So GOD wanted to have us back into HIS presence and live. Therefore HE came down as a man to suffer and die for our sins and rose again so as that anyone who would be Born Again into His Family, could now inherit Eternal Life. Because we become part of The Light .
Those who are in hell, chose their destination.
Hell was originally made for the devil and his imps, because they no longer desired to be of The Light. So thus GOD removed HIS presence from them which created Hell. So because we are all sons of Adam and daughters of Eve through their decision to join with the devil , decided for us also to join in the darkness of sin and the devil.
Now GOD seeing it’s not fair for us, and because of HIS great love for us, Came down to offer us a New Inheritance, if we are Born Again in Him according to Acts:2:38. That Scripture is the process that’s necessary to change our inheritance from Sin and death to LIFE JOY AND HAPPINESS IN YEHOSHUA HAMASHIACH! That’s why there are two testaments. Two ‘wills’ Old Testament of Adam and Eve, and New Testament of Yehoshua HaMashiach.
Hence the reason there are two testaments in the Bible. Adam and Eve in their ‘WILL’ left us an inheritance of sin and death. But GOD coming down in The Flesh as the Man Christ/ Yehoshua died and left us an inheritance of Life Eternal..
just like when a baby is born there is always water and Blood. Same in Christ , He says in John 3:5 we MUST be Born Again of Water and of The Spirit else we can NOT enter The Kingdom of GOD.
THUS everyone who is in Hell made that choice.
It’s NOT that GOD wanted it this way, and it’s not that HE’s punishing them, they chose their own destiny and GOD will NOT interfere with our choice.
That is also why the doctrine of believing only is evil. Even Yehoshua said in Mark 16:16 He that believeth AND is Baptized shall be saved. Now what saves us if we do these things? The Holy Ghost. When one repent and is baptized in YEHOSHUA HAMASHIACH Name then the HOLY GHOST SHALL fill us evidenced by speaking in heavenly tongues as all did through out the book of Acts ,and save us from Damnable Hell fire.
Please remember all those scriptures about believing and having Faith in the letters from the apostles, were all written to saints, not sinners. The letters were instruction on how to Stay clear of GOD’s wrath which fall upon HIS disobedient children. And how to believe that if we sin after we are Born Again that Christ Blood will cleanse us even from that sin.
I pray that you will have the understanding of Salvation , I Lobe you all!
We just have to keep praying for our loved ones to choose life too. God doesn’t reject us, we continually reject him. But I am praying hard about this for my family members too.
God said give me your burden, your care.
The most important thing to me as a person is the assurance of my salvation.
My prayer for all my family members, friends and people around me to be saved.
Our mind is too weak to handle all the mystery of God's work.
I give it to God all my burden of others' salvation.
This video made me almost cry because this is a topic where I have so much sorrow but I don’t let it overcome me and my sorrow isn’t greater than my joy in the Lord. I know Gods plans are higher than mine and there will be a day where this sorrow will be comforted.
This is a very sensitive issue. I can tell you from experience as the one that was not saved it can take time. Personally it took me getting away from all those that were hounding me to go back to church. At the time I had several members of my family asking multiple times per week if I was coming to church. They couldn't accept my answer of "not now but I will eventually" so it turned to a no just to spite them and then went from no to I don't believe. Within 3yrs of moving away I was getting baptized and rededicated myself to the Lord.
God bless you brother. I ❤ you.
"Kim Jong Un sentenced my 2 year old cousin to life imprisonment in a gulag because his mom said she was hungry. But I know that I will one day see the illustrious leader in his glory and understand his goodness. I just have to wait and choose to trust in Kim Jong Un's goodness and justice. It would be silly to make judgment calls on the judgments of the Supreme Leader. Therefore, I know that the empathy I feel for the suffering of my family is wrong."
Those people are brainwashed. He's not God and didn't die for our sins. Jesus did.
@@ElsieLyn it's called a metaphor. It's a concept worth looking into.
This hits so close to home. I'm the only believer in my family, that I know of. It's very lonely, and I have cried over whether they will believe and be in heaven. My dad, I'm 90% sure was not a believer... and I know what that means, and it rips at my heart. It's been nineteen years, and I still have to ask God for His peace and for Him to help me cope with that very real possibility. I can't do it on my own--I wouldn't even try.
Please pray for my family. I am praying for all of yours...
Just remember, one day, you will look down upon him and realize that the pain Jesus is inflicting is good and holy, and you shall take delight in it. Trust and obey.
This is truly a difficult struggle. For most of my Christian life, I was the only believer in my family. I remember praying specifically for my grandpa about 10 years ago. I prayed not only that he would come to Christ, but that, as the patriarch of our family, the Spirit would flow through him and on into the rest of the family. Four years after that prayer, he finally became a believer (at 99 years old!!), and now he's in heaven. Within a year of his death, my mom and I started having conversations about God, and two years after that, she became a believer. Then my dad started going to church with us, and I don't know exactly where he stands, but he's closer than he ever was before, and much more open to those kinds of conversations. And now my mom is trying to reach out to my sister and her family. A decade later, I can look back and see how God is answering that prayer in his own time, and flowing through my family, one person at a time.
I share this in the hopes of encouraging anyone else who struggles with the pain of loving people who don't know or accept Jesus yet. Keep loving your family, and know that God loves them even more than you do, and longs for their salvation more than you can even imagine. Keep praying for them, holding them up to the only one who can save them. And take any opportunities you can to share with them (according to your family dynamics and circumstances). You never know what God can do in and through them.
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That is beautiful. God does hear us
Amazing!
Thank you
This was a hard one when my father who wasn’t an active or practicing Christian. He claimed to be but I never saw it. When he got cancer and we knew he couldn’t beat it it became a heavy burden on me. My pastor went to see him many times and assured me of his faith. I pray that this was true and not a way to make us feel better. I didn’t have a good relationship with my father and hope to one day make a new relationship with him in heaven.
My sister was living in a unholy relationship with another woman while living on the street as a needle junkie and she was on the edge of death however through diligent prayer speaking the words of the new testament to her and supporting and encouraging her God answered our prayers she is now engaged to be married and has been clean for over two years praise God in his greatness
Thank you so much for this. I am the only believer in my family and it's so hard. I tried to share Christ with my son who was going through struggles of addiction. I bought him a Bible and he didn't want it. As a newer believer myself (about 4 1/2 years) it had discouraged me from trying again.
We’re accustomed to an unfair, unjust society. But yessir, a Pastor once taught me during the message that when we see the righteous judgement of God on full display, things will be so straight down the line FAIR and JUST, that we won’t have a complaint coming.
I doubt it. Eternal punishment for temporary sins is insane.
@@a.psquickview2071What do you mean "finite" sin?
Calvinists believe you were chosen or damned before being conceived, so your life or actions have no meaning. I don't like Calvinism.
@@a.psquickview2071 -- It depends on the punishment, I think. If the eternal punishment is nonexistence (which annihilationists believe), or letting people to live by their own devices (which C.S. Lewis seems to believe), then my conscience is clean with that.
On the other hand, if it's externally-imposed, conscious torment, which seems to be the majority view, then I agree.
@@mvmlego1212 even nonexistence punishment is excessive, you cease to exist for a second of sin. remember eternity is a long time so compared to eternity you only sin for 1 second.
C.S lewis is wrong about that and no bible verse supports his claim.
Free Will is definitely the most consequential aspect that defines humanity. Every "action" you take that results in an "equal and opposite reaction" isn't just Newtonian Law but a Universal Law that will define how and where each of us will spend eternity...
Free Will is a demonic lie that has deceived people like you into thinking that they are responsible for their own salvation. Free Will is nothing more than the exaltation and elevation of the human ego above the Will of God.
To quote a great reformer, the horse does not choose his rider. God decides who will be saved and who will be a vessel of His wrath and rage. To imply otherwise is to say he is not the King, and it implies that the person who "chose" Jesus did a thing that could be categorized as good, which is blasphemy.
Mike thank you for your love, compassion, & honesty to your congregation. God bless you.
Wow, my heart is wrenching for my loved ones, and the thought of hell for them has been making me almost unable to function. But you’re so right … God is good, just, holy and loving. He loves my loved ones even more than I do. So much He sacrificed His own beloved Son to save them. I trust in His sovereignty. Thank you Mike.
The Bible says the wages sin pays is death. And that God doesn’t stay resentful forever. The truth is the Bible hell is the common grave of mankind. God would never torture you or your loved ones.
Not according to Mike
Well said, Mike. 🙏 Many times we don't understand, but God's goodness is constant regardless.
I've wrestled with this as well. There have been nights where I've lain awake for hours, tears streaming down my face. I remember one particular instance when I was reading a book about hell. By the second chapter, I found myself overwhelmed with despair, sobbing into my pillow at the weight of the reality of eternity and hell. It wasn't just for my loved ones, but for everyone who denies or has denied God and is now dead. I couldn't bring myself to finish the book because it was taking a toll on my mental health. To me, this isn't so much about the goodness of God, more so that I've questioned whether my loved ones will ever choose His goodness over their own desires.
I'd be dishonest if I said that even twenty years later, I'm not still grappling with this issue. Why? Because I deeply care. I believe it's due to His goodness, His love for us, and His desire for none to perish. He's already done His part, willingly enduring what He did on the cross to save us. Now, the choice lies with us. It's a deeply personal decision. Is it difficult? Absolutely!
There's this misconception that if people end up in hell, they'll suddenly desire God. I highly doubt that's the case. We must place our families at the feet of Yeshua, knowing that He loves them more profoundly than we ever could. We should fast, pray fervently for their eyes to open and their hearts to soften to His voice, and for them to embrace and live for Him. Keep sowing those seeds. I'll pray for your loved ones as I do for mine. Also, remember, we can't fully grasp how others' hearts are being ministered to. As long as there's breath in our lungs, there's hope. Don't lose hope, dear brother. God desires them, loves them, and we can trust Him no matter what choices our loved ones make.
Love me or burn in Hell forever ❤️
God is so good, and those who choose hell most definitely will not change their minds later. Yet, is it not also true that Jesus said it was "everlasting fire" prepared for the devil, and that it will be happening only on judgement day, after the sheep and goats are gathered before him? Today is the day for prayer for family & friends that they come to repentance: God wishes all would come to him, and for those who don't he is merciful so that most likely they be consumed in the fire and not suffer forever.
I encourage you to consider what the leading early church fathers believed. I think you will be very pleasantly surprised:
"Christ saves all men. Some he converts by penalties, others who follow Him of their own will ... that every knee may be bent to Him, of those in heaven, on earth, and under the earth" [Isa. 45:22-23, Rom. 14:11, Phil. 2:10-11, Rev. 5:13] -- *Clement of Alexandria,* _Commentary on 1 John_
"When death shall no longer exist, nor the sting of death, nor any evil at all, then, verily, God will be All in all" [1 Cor. 15:28,55] -- *Origen,* _De Principiis 3:6.3_
"What else does 'until the times of universal restoration' signify to us, if not the aeon to come, in which all beings must receive their perfect restoration?" [Acts 3:21] -- *Eusebius,* leading historian of the early church, _Contra Marcellum __2:4:11_
"A few drops of blood renew the whole world, and become for all men that which rennet is for milk, uniting and drawing us into one." [Col. 1:15-20] -- *Gregory Nazianzus,* _Oration 42_
"Christ captured over again the souls captured by the devil, for that He promised in saying, 'I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto Me.'" [John 12:32, 1 Peter 3:19-20, 4:6, Psalm 68:18, Eph. 4:8-10, and maybe Matt. 12:29] -- *Athanasius,* _Expositions on the Psalms, 68.18_
"The peace [coming] from the Lord is coextensive with all time [eternity]. For all things shall be subject to him, and all things shall acknowledge his empire; and when God shall be all in all, those who now excite discords by revolts, having been quite pacified, [all things] shall praise God in peaceful concord." [Psalm 145:10a, 1 Cor. 15:28, Rev. 5:13] -- *Basil,* _Commentary on Isaiah 9:6_
"So the Son of Man came to save that which was lost, i.e., all, for as in Adam all die, so, too, in Christ shall all be made alive." [Luke 19:10, 1 Cor. 15:22] -- *Ambrose,* _Exposition on the Gospel of Luke 15.3_
"For the wicked there are punishments not perpetual, ... but they are to be tormented for a certain brief period, according to the amount of malice in their works. They shall therefore suffer punishment for a short space, but immortal blessedness, having no end, awaits them; ... the penalties to be inflicted for their many and grave crimes are very far surpassed by the magnitude of the mercy to be showed them. The resurrection, therefore, is regarded as a blessing, not only to the good, but also to the evil." [Isa. 57:16], *Diodore,* _De Oecon_
"Some among the wise and learned … have alluded to this in an enigmatic way, by adducing that God is not only just, but also merciful, and that it becomes the One who judges with justice to have sinners suffer in a measure that is proportional to their sins and then make them worthy of blessedness." -- *Theodore,* _Liber Scholiorum, 2:63_
"'All the kings of the earth shall adore him.' Some, indeed, in the present life willingly, but all the rest after the Resurrection; for not yet do we see all things subject to him, but then every knee shall bow to him." [The "kings of the earth" are rebellious unbelievers in Rev. 6:15, 17:2,18, 18:3,9, 19:19,21 ... but check out what happens in Rev. 21:24-27!] -- *Theodoret,* _On Psalm 72:11_
"Death shall come as a visitor to the impious; it will not be perpetual; it will not annihilate them; but will prolong its visit, till the impiety which is in them shall be consumed." [Matt. 5:26] -- *Jerome,* _On Micah 5:8_
"After the complete abolition of sin, praise shall be sung to God; which praise contain (implies) our being incapable of turning to sin ... when every created being shall be harmonized into one choir ... and when, like a cymbal, the reasonable creation, and that which is now severed by sin ... shall pour forth a pleasing strain, due to mutual harmony. Then comes the praise of every spirit for ever abounding with increase unto eternity." [Psalm 150] -- *Gregory of Nyssa,* _On Psalms, Tract 1, ch. 9_
Other church fathers who believed in eventual universal salvation include *Asterius, Bardaisan, Cyril of Alexandria, Didymus the Blind, Dionysius, Ephrem the Syrian, Gennadius, Hilary, John Cassian, John Chrysostom, Marcellus, Maximus the Confessor, Maximus of Turin, Methodius, Paulinus, Proclus, Titus of Basra & Victorinus.*
Sources: Thomas Allin, _Christ Triumphant,_ Annotated by Robin Parry edition, chapters 4-5, 1905 & Ilaria Ramelli, _A Larger Hope?, Volume 1: Universal Salvation from Christian Beginnings to Julian of Norwich,_ 2019
This god you are describing is not good for putting you through such unbearable rumination regarding hell. This god you are describing does not love us, certainly does not love us unconditionally, and definitely does not have mercy, if he is going to torture people for eternity. Again, I am sickened by Christian fear tactics and hope you find peace.
@@andrewfrancis7739 Indeed, God is not as many think he is, yet you also think the truth about the living God is known from the Bible and believed on, the holy, just and merciful God, free to establish everlasting righteousness and dispose of and remove evil after judgement day, once & forever?
Thank you for these words. They have me a feeling of peace.
"I'm worried that everyone i love will be tortured forever in weird and unthinkable ways, how do i deal with that and still think God is good? "
Don't think about it! Trust the process
"Well thats a load off my mind"
I see that with people close to me too. Its so scary and man does it hurt. Things like this being out of your control is terrifying
This reminds me. I was working for a home builder who also did some remodels. He told me remodels were always harder because the homeowner was there judging the incomplete work. He had a great painter and the home owner said to him, “That paint job looks like 💩.” Builder asked, “Is he finished?” Homeowner said,”no”. Builder, “Let him finish before you judge.” When the job was complete the homeowner said, “Man, that’s a great paint job!”
As Tom Petty sang, “The waiting is the hardest part…” BUT patience in waiting is part of our walk… Patience with hope, the confident expectation of a good outcome… and joy, the divinely based optimism for the future… It’s often not easy but this is our calling…
I was listening to pastor Ken Ortiz this week from Calvary Spokane and he shared a story about sharing the gospel with his dad for years and years then one day he said to God “im done you deal with him.” As if it was him doing the work (pastor being sarcastic). Then after he stopped sharing the gospel with him after being seriously frustrated he got saved. You never know what God is doing and sometimes we can’t see any fruit at all. But Christ always works in the heart of the unbeliever. And praise God he is long suffering, patient and kind to us. Otherwise we all would end up in hell
Thanks for this video. I don’t doubt the goodness of God, but it’s been almost two years since my dad passed away and I am still haunted by the idea of his eternal separation from God in torment. I agree with everything that you said, but it has been a struggle to accept.
God is still good and his judgement is perfect. Especially to those of us that have lost someone we love that was not a Christian. He is close to the broken hearted and will wipe away every tear from our eye one day.
I struggled with this as well, until I finally accepted that I don’t know if, at the end, my father cried out to God to forgive him. I don’t know because I wasn’t there, no one was, he was alone with God. My father was lucid, he didn’t have dementia, so I rest in that and have left it in God’s merciful hands.
When you go to heaven, your passed life you really won't remember cause everything will be new...not talking about people who had OBE....thats not the same thing
I've been struggling with this as well since my dad passed 4 years ago. For many years i prayed for his salvation. Most times when i spoke to him about Jesus and and the good news of the gospel, my dad would change the subject. For years my mom and i tried to get my dad to attend church with us to no avail. I can only hope that my dad cried out to God for forgiveness before he died.
Same
I'm in the same boat. It can be extremely lonely - that's how we get closer and closer to the Lord. He didn't wish that for us. He created us to love one another in an age when you can't even trust your own neigh or anymore. Will the real "David verses Goliath" men come out for battle, we need you. ❤❤❤
the false hellfire doctrine is what brought me to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses , and I know that God does not burn people for all eternity for what a person did over a 70 or 80 years of life and sinning. Romans 6:7 the wages of sin is death, the dead are concious of nothing at all, Psalms 146:4 "Psalm 146:4
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4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." if our thoughts perish then how can we feel pain in the false hellfire with no conciousness at Ecc 9:5. Your dead love one are not in a hellfire they are dead. Romans 6:7
Thank you so much for this. I've been struggling for many years with this issue. I also was the only Christian in my large family for a long time, but praise God, one of my sisters became a believer a few years back and I see hopeful signs in two other family members. My parents and those that have already passed on, believed in God's existence, but to my knowledge (only God knows the heart) never made a full or public commitment to God, but I pray for God's mercy on them and trust in His goodness, that I will hopefully see them in heaven one day. I'm just leaving it to God. I know whatever He does will be the right and just thing.
This has been my one big sticking question that I can’t find peace with, especially my one child and my mother and other family members, thank you so much for asking this.
I have unbelieving family members too in some pretty hard situations. Still praying for their salvation. God is good and He saved me, healed the broken pieces which were my life. Will keep praying that our families may come to Him. He can forgive and heal them too.
What happens if they don't. You go to heaven, they go to hell, and you'll forget they ever existed? Say it's you child, how could you enjoy heaven knowing you child is being tortured continuously?
@@peskymenplops Because God is good and even I deserved the punishment loved ones are getting. That’s why we should all look at the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, trust His teachings and respond to His love with love for Him. We can be saved if we trust Him. So can our loved ones.
@@peskymenplopsWatch "The Three Resurrections" by Tomorrow's World.
Prayed for salvation for the ❤
Please pray for my mom and dad, and brother. None are saved. Thank you!
Thanks Mike. When I sometimes think of the thousands of years of suffering this world has experienced, it’s almost overwhelming. Then I think about the parable of Lazarus and the rich man who went to Hades. He never once complained about the judgement he was suffering under, or even showed any remorse or regret. So it will be for all who end up in that situation I believe.
Speaking solely for myself…and losing a newborn 3 weeks after being born and doubting Gods “goodness”, was an indictment of my self serving ego.
Our greatest victories, come from our hardest struggles, and lowest moments.
God is God and…..we’re not.
The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing people he didn't exist.
Yes, and that is a Catholic teaching that it is the greatest trick he ever played. But that belief/teaching comes from former protestants who became disillusioned with protestantism that they left it and began being satan's mouthpiece.
If that is the greatest trick the devil ever played, how much more of a trick when God does it?
When my mom died, I had no idea if she had been saved or not. She struggled a lot in life. Any time I would ask her to go to church she would decline. She always would say she would go when she was ready. I wonder if she had the idea that she needed to get herself together before she actually went to church. For roughly 22 years I had no idea if she was saved or not. One day I ran into a family member, and we were discussing family stories of the past and I mentioned my mom and not knowing where she is at (heaven or hell) and my cousin told me, your mom was saved and told me when. It was such a relief, then I began to remember things like coming home as a teenager and seeing my mom in bed reading her bible. I realize that reading the bible doesn't equal salvation but those were just things I saw that let me know that despite how it looked to me, my mom wasn't that far from God. It was a comfort finding out that my mom was saved. It gave me peace. I truly believe God allowed me to find out to help me in my journey.
She was a scattered sheep.
What ppl seem to not understand is: Salvation is of the Lord. Its the Free Gift of God the Father's Grace, thru our Faith in Jesus Christ His Son ALONE. Simple.
It's NOT OF WORKS; NEVER!
Hey, Mike.I love how you talk about being Always invitational, sometimes Confrontational and never reactionary.
I have not always got that in right proportion.
This was just an amazing view on those who are lost. So well put!
I am comforted in the knowledge that at the end of time, there will be only peace and joy. I also pray asking for boldness, wisdom, and the words to speak when interacting with my unsaved loved ones and coworkers.
Prayed for you ❤
The good man Job lost his family, his finances, his physical health and his friends…but never lost his faith. I think Job asked the Lord God 11 questions yet God never answered one of them. My beloved Baptist preacher son was killed by Covid (or the hospital) 2 years ago leaving a young widow and five children. I was stricken with stage-4 small cell cancer. Yet God has not given me a single answer. But though He slay me yet will I trust Him.
@brijenell0201 Thank you so much for your kind thoughts. But there is a flip side in that I’ve been greatly blessed to preach & teach the Bible to thousands of souls in 15 countries and across most of the US. People have it all wrong when it comes to troubles they blame God when they ought to blame Satan…or at least Adam.
Gosh this is helpful! I have been pondering hell a lot lately and TBH it really troubles me. Thanks Mike this one helps me more than you know. God bless
A part of me is convinced we won't even remember the loved ones in Heaven as we do on Earth. Becoming one with the Lord leaves no room for sorrow or pain.
I believe the perfect grace of God will be far more loving and forgiving than any of us can possibly imagine.
And yet there will be people burning in hell for all eternity.
I am in the same situation.
My whole family doesn't believe. I came to know the true God through, ironically, UA-cam videos a few years ago.
On top of that, I have yet to find a true church where I live (a region in north Italy).
It is very hard, but I can see how the Lord preserved and helped me through it all.
Thank you Mike for this video. God bless you
Prayed for their salvation❤
Everything will be ok sister . Please trust in God . Meditate his word daily . Try to be part of a local church . But you have to study your bible your own . I know there are not much locals churches in italy . I am not italian but live in italy perugia. Me too saved by you tube videos .. May God bless you sister . Buona notte .
You're speaking the truth. As a former narcicist (by the grace of God) I pray that others might be helped by this message. Jesus please defeat the demons that might be keeping someone from understanding the truth.
Thank you Mike. We shouldn’t doubt the goodness of God. Praise Jesus
And don’t give up. Keep praying for your loved ones. Don’t try to convince them with the concept of “saying just the right thing” to convince them. I speak from experience. God did in my adult children what I could never have done even if I did figure out the perfect things to say.
As long as there's life, there's hope. ❤
I have several family members including my daughter who are far from God by all indications. So while Mike’s words here may be hard they’re biblical, so true and wise. All we can do is keep on praying and loving them, but loving our Lord most of all. 🙏
We all seem to have friends and family members who do not know God. Pastor Mike, thank you for your answer that we have an amazing God who is just and righteous and who is perfect in His character and judgement. Let us all look forward to the day when He Himself will wipe away every tear as we meet Him face to face. What a glorious day that will be! Praise God for His faithfulness and for who He is. Amen
These kind of thoughts have been weighing heavily on me lately, and the concept of loved ones not being saved is incredibly painful. If we are separated from loved ones in heaven, and there is no more pain when we are there, then surely we must think and feel in a completely different way than we do right now.
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”
5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” Rev 21:3-5
I am uncertain, it may be that there is a time of Mourning and being Comforted since God is said to "Wipe away every tear from their eyes".
"For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven:
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a time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;" Ecclesiastes 3:1,4
We will be given a new body and nature that is free from the corruption of this sinful world. Being in the direct presence of God will be a completely different experience than what we have now, which is why there will be no pain or suffering. During that time, we may be aware of the lost ones, but God will heal our hearts of the hurt.
Please hear Truth, my friends .The Truth of the matter is this. GOD IS HOLY, and we are born of sin, we inherited our sin nature from Adam and Eve. And thus we are of darkness. And we can not stand before an HOLY GOD and not be obliterated. Just like when one turns on a light in a dark room, it obliterates the darkness, because light and darkness can not share the same space.
So GOD wanted to have us back into HIS presence and live. Therefore HE came down as a man to suffer and die for our sins and rose again so as that anyone who would be Born Again into His Family, could now inherit Eternal Life. Because we become part of The Light .
Those who are in hell, chose their destination.
Hell was originally made for the devil and his imps, because they no longer desired to be of The Light. So thus GOD removed HIS presence from them which created Hell. So because we are all sons of Adam and daughters of Eve through their decision to join with the devil , decided for us also to join in the darkness of sin and the devil.
Now GOD seeing it’s not fair for us, and because of HIS great love for us, Came down to offer us a New Inheritance, if we are Born Again in Him according to Acts:2:38. That Scripture is the process that’s necessary to change our inheritance from Sin and death to LIFE JOY AND HAPPINESS IN YEHOSHUA HAMASHIACH! That’s why there are two testaments. Two ‘wills’ Old Testament of Adam and Eve, and New Testament of Yehoshua HaMashiach.
Hence the reason there are two testaments in the Bible. Adam and Eve in their ‘WILL’ left us an inheritance of sin and death. But GOD coming down in The Flesh as the Man Christ/ Yehoshua died and left us an inheritance of Life Eternal..
just like when a baby is born there is always water and Blood. Same in Christ , He says in John 3:5 we MUST be Born Again of Water and of The Spirit else we can NOT enter The Kingdom of GOD.
THUS everyone who is in Hell made that choice.
It’s NOT that GOD wanted it this way, and it’s not that HE’s punishing them, they chose their own destiny and GOD will NOT interfere with our choice.
That is also why the doctrine of believing only is evil. Even Yehoshua said in Mark 16:16 He that believeth AND is Baptized shall be saved. Now what saves us if we do these things? The Holy Ghost. When one repent and is baptized in YEHOSHUA HAMASHIACH Name then the HOLY GHOST SHALL fill us evidenced by speaking in heavenly tongues as all did through out the book of Acts ,and save us from Damnable Hell fire.
Please remember all those scriptures about believing and having Faith in the letters from the apostles, were all written to saints, not sinners. The letters were instruction on how to Stay clear of GOD’s wrath which fall upon HIS disobedient children. And how to believe that if we sin after we are Born Again that Christ Blood will cleanse us even from that sin.
I pray that you will have the understanding of Salvation , I Lobe you all!
My daughter has openly blasphemed God in the worst way. Im devastated and heartbroken. Praying God's mercy on her 💔😭 if you can all lift up a prayer for her please. Thank you
Blasphemy can be forgiven keep praying for her
@@zenlottie9524 depends
@@insanoibro6331no it doesn't
Your daighter sounds awesome and a lot smarter than you
I needed this and it was no accident I was lead to this video. I have been asking God why do so many have to go to hell? Why do family members who follow a false faith (Mormonism) destined for hell? I pray the Lord will open their eyes and rescue them, but hearing this, it makes me realize and ask myself, am I trying to judge my God in any way? I cannot apply sound reasoning (yet) as to why His judgements work as they do, but I realize one day, I will, and that will be when I am with my Lord God in the near future.
Until then, will continue to just pray and talk with the Lord about my concerns, and ask him to bring peace into my heart and mind and soul, knowing I do not understand, but put my faith and trust in him.
"Justice executed is a joy to the righteous, but a terror to the workers of iniquity." (Proverbs 21:15)
God’s justice - There won’t be one soul in Hell who doesn’t deserve it.
God’s goodness - There won’t be one soul in Heaven who does.
Edit- please read what I’m saying carefully. The justice of God means that Hell will be filled only with souls who deserve to be there. The goodness, mercy, and grace of God means that Heaven will be filled only with souls who do *not* deserve to be there.
No one deserves to be in heaven. It is by grace you are saved lest any man should boast.
Heaven and Hell have absolutely nothing to do with what we deserve or don't deserve. That's a form of Karma which is false. The Glory and Love of God will be experienced by every human being in the face of Christ at His second appearing, and how we experience that Glory and Love will determine Heaven or Hell for us.
@@justanotherlikeyou read my comment again. I’m saying no one will be in Heaven because they deserve it. It will be by the grace and goodness of God.
There are 65 occurrences in the Bible with the word that is translated hell. And that is the word sheol in Hebrew, It is not hell... It means grave or pit...choose any instances and we can discuss them....winger is lying to you about hell
@@leecooper3852 I’m sorry, friend. You’re mistaken if you think that biblical references to hell are simply references to death.
Luke 12.4-5:
“And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, *after He has killed,* has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!”
Jesus seemed to believe (and He’s right) that Hell was something more than the “grave.”
Furthermore, you’re correct that the Hebrew word “Sheol” appears in the Old Testament and is translated “hell” in many translations. However, surely you know that the New Testament is not written in Hebrew, but Greek. Here, in Luke, Jesus uses the Greek word, “γέεννα,” or “Gehenna,” which was the name of a valley in Jerusalem where filth and dead animals were cast out, piled up, and burned.
Jesus says *that’s* what it will be like *after death* for those who do not fear God.
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Call it what you want, but the scriptures are very clear that an eternal afterlife of darkness, fire, pain, weeping, and gnashing of teeth is all we have to look forward to… unless we trust in the grace and mercy of God.
So one day I’ll understand why god punished my gay brother? Yea right. So glad I got out of this cult
Thank you Father for our brother Mike Winger that is so encouraging! Please God strengthen him in these difficult times. Amen
Be encouraged brother Mike !
So.... We live a finite temporary life and if we dont repent we are tortured in hell for eternity... But its ok because well ... Thats just what he decided because he is all powerful and in control... Yikes 😬
Don’t stop praying for your family members that are lost. Calvinism is not true, we can repent and be forgiven. Free will is true amen 🙏🏼 ❤
I needed this today.... I feel the very same. My entire family are devout Mormons or LDS members... and my brother took his life last year... I often feel alone.
I am so sorry for your loss. I don't know if it helps any, but I don't believe your brother is condemned or doomed at all. I don't believe in a punitive God. I have hope that God has saved him and given him rest, or will do so whenever your brother's spirit is ready to call on Him.
There are 65 occurrences in the Bible with the word that is translated hell. And that is the word sheol in Hebrew, It is not hell... It means grave or pit...choose any instances and we can discuss them....winger is lying to you about hell
the false hellfire doctrine is what brought me to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses , and I know that God does not burn people for all eternity for what a person did over a 70 or 80 years of life and sinning. Romans 6:7 the wages of sin is death, the dead are concious of nothing at all, Psalms 146:4 "Psalm 146:4
King James Version
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." if our thoughts perish then how can we feel pain in the false hellfire with no conciousness at Ecc 9:5. Your dead love one are not in a hellfire they are dead. Romans 6:7
@@MarysiaKosowskiSo I take it that you are a universalist?
@@leecooper3852Sheol so what when the word is used it has a discription so it doesn't matter as all the concepts we know of works and applies
I loved the answer Mike. I also add my own, what I’ve shared with others when this question has come my way…
This is best balanced when you factor in the mercy experienced by the believers. It’s not that our loved ones should be with us enjoying salvation. It’s that we should be with our loved ones experiencing condemnation. And we’re not…
It is worth a mention that James Hudson Taylor indicated the onus is upon us to be stronger Christians in order to win our families. The quote went something like “Whilst we are complaining about the hardness of heart of those who we are seeking to reach, it may be our own hardness of heart and our feeble apprehension of the solemn reality of eternal things which is our true want of success…”
Faith is also trusting God’s integrity. He knows the love we have in our hearts for our family and friends. He knows. Let’s trust his integrity and do the best we can towards our loved ones.
RC sproul gave the best answer to this... we will agree with God's justice once we see his holiness. We will be even more amazed at his grace for saving us
Wow … I am the only Christian in my whole family and I thought I was the only one going through this. It’s comforting to know I’m not alone in this 🥹. I love you whoever’s reading this and I look forward to meeting you in heaven!
God didn’t bring you this far to leave you behind! He has a plan for you! Hope this encourages someone 🥰❤️
I try to remember that God loves my loved ones more than I do. I trust that there's something about the final judgement that we don't understand. None of us are more merciful than God. I trust His goodness.