I remember how conflicted I was I didn't want to hurt Garr, but it's literally self-defense. I remember yelling "how will you explain this to the others!?" as if Garr will respond DAMN THIS MUSIC JUST HITS
Yep. They just didn't want any conflict, and so they didn't really fight back. It was practically a reverse genocide in a way; the Brood could have easily wiped the floor with them.
Silent Hill Warrior 5 Thats what I love about this game. Myria isn’t portrayed as an evil, Dragon-hating Goddess. She’s portrayed as the overprotective mother who simply wants to protect the world. The Brood, on the other hand, didn’t really care one way or the other. They didn’t want to destroy the world, but they didn’t really use their power to protect it either. The moral ambiguity of this situation is what really sticks out in my mind and makes me really enjoy this game.
sometimes the powerful think they've earned the right to power. This story tells an amazing narrative example of the need to be humble. This game taught me a lot of valuable life lessons as a kid actually. Its packed full of metaphor and philosophy. As if the character development wasn't good enough on its own. I imagine if this were a 3d game made today, garr would have cried when he realized what he had done in the name of his god. Woulda been kinda cool to see that giant force of nature finally break down.
When garr realized he was easily defeated by one baby member of the brood race and that they could have easily wipe the floor with the guardian Angels during the war if they really fought back.
"So this is the true power of the brood. If they were this strong then..." (I can't remember the quote word for word but after defeating Garr he realizes that the brood were FAR stronger than he realized.
@@nickmagrick7702 Gaist himself also screwed up, picked the wrong side and picked the wrong ideology. Unlike Garr, Gaist ran away, because he was tired of killing the Brood. He couldn't take it anymore.
@@redpyramid1914 im worried they'll never make a game as good as this one again. They're will be others that are good in different ways, but none quite like this. Every other breath of fire has been a massive disappointment after this one.
@@marach9484 I couldn't get through it. I think once I found out I couldn't turn into a dragon I just immediately went back to the gamestop and returned it. 5 was fking awful though Maybe ill go back and play it one of these days. The combo system does seem at a glance, an improvement to the combat system in 3. Nothing else about it seems that appealing to me though. I don't even like the art direction it went in as much, even though its technically better.
@@nickmagrick7702 - I would definitely recommend going back someday and giving it another shot. It's definitely got its flaws compared to 3, like the decision to make every dragon transformation be basically the "Warrior" form from 3, with the ability to "summon" the dragon's full form as a sort of attack spell, kind of creating a hybrid of the dragon systems from both 2 and 3. Also, the decision to use 3D models for the dragons instead of sticking to the lush 2D sprites the series was known for was a questionable one, to say the least. On top of this, a lot of people were not fans of the "Endless," the Dragons you can encounter out in the world as you progress through the game. One of them looks like a Graboid from Tremors and it's admittedly pretty weird. 😂 That being said, While I don't think part 3 can be beaten, and to this day nobody's quite sure where 4 fits into the chronology of the series(is it a prequel? unrelated continuity? who knows?), it's still in my top 10 best PS1 games I've ever played. The plot, character arcs and themes put forth are absolutely in line with the ground this series has broken in the past, even if the game as a whole is a bit of a question mark. Without getting into spoilers; everyone talks about Aerith's death in FF7(for instance) as their most shocking moment of this era in games... but the fate of two particular characters in BOF4, once you reach the Western Continent, affected me far more than what happened to Aerith herself. Most of all though, I'll always remember BOF4 as the last hurrah for a series that always deserved more attention and praise than it received, and which has been ignored or mishandled terribly ever since. We shall not speak of Dragon Quarter, or especially BOF6. 🤮
I can't believe there aren't any comments on this song. This was THE pivotal moment in the game for me, and it's my favorite track in the entire game. I remember how betrayed "I" felt about Gar, and just imagining how Ryu must have felt gave me shivers.
''Ryu, You are the last Dragon Living in this World. I will slay you, then finally my duty as a Guardian will be achieved !'' ...Or something like that. I don't remember exactly. But Damn, that was the saddest betrayal in a Video Game IMO. ( With the exception of Teepo of Course.)
Sounds like you came from Undertale/Deltarune comment section. This song is also definitely partially about the history of the Brood and their slayers. If you listen to the theme of Dragnier, you can tell it is definitely a nod to the dragon's history in the music. And you could say the part at 1:55 represents being haunted by death/ghosts, or it could represent discipline under an evil oath to the Goddess..
@@sigurdtheblue It’s definitely a nod to the dragons’ history, but that history is also “I don’t want to fight you”, as the Brood in the war didn’t fight back. The slowness of the tempo and not many jarring/accented notes in the main melody feels like the looming inevitability of having no choice but to do something you don’t want to do, which is to fight. Garr doesn’t particularly feel an attachment to Ryu at this point, but even if his oath is influencing his actions here, given his dialogue after the fight, it feels like his true motivation was to test Ryu. If he dies, then Garr fulfilled his final duty. If Ryu beat him, then his doubts about the Dragon War were right all along.
0:58 Chrono Trigger Black Omen theme? Considering the other songs that also sound like Chrono Trigger, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the inspiration.
@@KoruKinshi It's just that I remember seeing a fair number of comments saying that they used dragon genes to defeat Garr. Honestly, it's much more satisfying to me beating him with raw strength rather than using your powers.
@@metalspinda9594 I can't remember exactly what weapon I got for Ryu. I DO remember that he was taught Shadowwalk and I remember kicking Garr's ass with it.
I didn't see it that way back then. It was actually a moment of triumph, the little defenseless child Rei rescued in the wilderness had lived many adventures, and finally had gotten a grasp on his powers. To drive the point further home; notice that it is right after that scene there is a time jump to Ryu's grown state. I agree the fight could have been significantly harder, but as far as the plot twist itself... it is one of my favorite moments in the game.
That was the point. This was the moment in the story the truth about the Brood was proven. The guardians stood no chance at all if they had fought back.
I remember how conflicted I was
I didn't want to hurt Garr, but it's literally self-defense. I remember yelling "how will you explain this to the others!?" as if Garr will respond
DAMN THIS MUSIC JUST HITS
.....and then Garr realizes that the Brood could have easily forced the Guardians and indeed the world to its knees if they wanted.
Yep. They just didn't want any conflict, and so they didn't really fight back. It was practically a reverse genocide in a way; the Brood could have easily wiped the floor with them.
But Garr and the other dragon hunters slayed the dragons down brutally
@Silent Hill Warrior 5 yep
Ya right
Silent Hill Warrior 5 Thats what I love about this game.
Myria isn’t portrayed as an evil, Dragon-hating Goddess. She’s portrayed as the overprotective mother who simply wants to protect the world.
The Brood, on the other hand, didn’t really care one way or the other. They didn’t want to destroy the world, but they didn’t really use their power to protect it either.
The moral ambiguity of this situation is what really sticks out in my mind and makes me really enjoy this game.
sometimes the powerful think they've earned the right to power. This story tells an amazing narrative example of the need to be humble. This game taught me a lot of valuable life lessons as a kid actually. Its packed full of metaphor and philosophy. As if the character development wasn't good enough on its own.
I imagine if this were a 3d game made today, garr would have cried when he realized what he had done in the name of his god. Woulda been kinda cool to see that giant force of nature finally break down.
Somebody give that Composer a Goddess Damned Emmy Award for this soundtrack!
When garr realized he was easily defeated by one baby member of the brood race and that they could have easily wipe the floor with the guardian Angels during the war if they really fought back.
"So this is the true power of the brood. If they were this strong then..." (I can't remember the quote word for word but after defeating Garr he realizes that the brood were FAR stronger than he realized.
finally realizes he done fucked up, picked the wrong side and the wrong ideology.
@@nickmagrick7702 Gaist himself also screwed up, picked the wrong side and picked the wrong ideology.
Unlike Garr, Gaist ran away, because he was tired of killing the Brood.
He couldn't take it anymore.
@@redpyramid1914 im worried they'll never make a game as good as this one again. They're will be others that are good in different ways, but none quite like this. Every other breath of fire has been a massive disappointment after this one.
@@marach9484 I couldn't get through it. I think once I found out I couldn't turn into a dragon I just immediately went back to the gamestop and returned it.
5 was fking awful though
Maybe ill go back and play it one of these days. The combo system does seem at a glance, an improvement to the combat system in 3. Nothing else about it seems that appealing to me though. I don't even like the art direction it went in as much, even though its technically better.
@@nickmagrick7702 - I would definitely recommend going back someday and giving it another shot. It's definitely got its flaws compared to 3, like the decision to make every dragon transformation be basically the "Warrior" form from 3, with the ability to "summon" the dragon's full form as a sort of attack spell, kind of creating a hybrid of the dragon systems from both 2 and 3. Also, the decision to use 3D models for the dragons instead of sticking to the lush 2D sprites the series was known for was a questionable one, to say the least.
On top of this, a lot of people were not fans of the "Endless," the Dragons you can encounter out in the world as you progress through the game. One of them looks like a Graboid from Tremors and it's admittedly pretty weird. 😂
That being said, While I don't think part 3 can be beaten, and to this day nobody's quite sure where 4 fits into the chronology of the series(is it a prequel? unrelated continuity? who knows?), it's still in my top 10 best PS1 games I've ever played. The plot, character arcs and themes put forth are absolutely in line with the ground this series has broken in the past, even if the game as a whole is a bit of a question mark.
Without getting into spoilers; everyone talks about Aerith's death in FF7(for instance) as their most shocking moment of this era in games... but the fate of two particular characters in BOF4, once you reach the Western Continent, affected me far more than what happened to Aerith herself.
Most of all though, I'll always remember BOF4 as the last hurrah for a series that always deserved more attention and praise than it received, and which has been ignored or mishandled terribly ever since. We shall not speak of Dragon Quarter, or especially BOF6. 🤮
I can't believe there aren't any comments on this song. This was THE pivotal moment in the game for me, and it's my favorite track in the entire game. I remember how betrayed "I" felt about Gar, and just imagining how Ryu must have felt gave me shivers.
- 7 years later - ....
I couldn't that betrayed when he barely was in the story at that point.
I am getting old. It has been 20 years since Breath of Fire III's release.
stoooop mentioning it.
Nick MaGrick I know! I still remember so much of this game, hard to believe it’s really been that long now
I was playing it as a kid, and now this game is 20 year old. Fuck this man
And we keep this game in mind. It's nice knowing i'm not the only one
25...
Oh this was classic. I felt so betrayed and ready to kick Garr's butt.
''Ryu, You are the last Dragon Living in this World. I will slay you, then finally my duty as a Guardian will be achieved !''
...Or something like that. I don't remember exactly. But Damn, that was the saddest betrayal in a Video Game IMO. ( With the exception of Teepo of Course.)
Then finally my purpose shall be complete
(Kaiser Dragon appears)
"ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT??"
I remember taking all of his gear off and giving him back his spear thinking the fight would be easier lol
Lmao. Sorry, I came across your comment and it’s funny. Made me chuckle, thank you. Although I can imagine Garr fight #2 wasn’t as easy?
"We were no match for the true power of the brood..."
The entirety of this song is “I don’t want to fight you.”
Sounds like you came from Undertale/Deltarune comment section. This song is also definitely partially about the history of the Brood and their slayers. If you listen to the theme of Dragnier, you can tell it is definitely a nod to the dragon's history in the music. And you could say the part at 1:55 represents being haunted by death/ghosts, or it could represent discipline under an evil oath to the Goddess..
@@sigurdtheblue It’s definitely a nod to the dragons’ history, but that history is also “I don’t want to fight you”, as the Brood in the war didn’t fight back. The slowness of the tempo and not many jarring/accented notes in the main melody feels like the looming inevitability of having no choice but to do something you don’t want to do, which is to fight.
Garr doesn’t particularly feel an attachment to Ryu at this point, but even if his oath is influencing his actions here, given his dialogue after the fight, it feels like his true motivation was to test Ryu. If he dies, then Garr fulfilled his final duty. If Ryu beat him, then his doubts about the Dragon War were right all along.
This song only plays once in the whole game. It seems like such a waste, but that only makes it more epic.
A lot of 90s games had that going on. Sad, isn't it? XD
This game is full of revelations...
I'm glad you're enjoying going through the soundtrack! ☺
@@ShadG - Thanks!... And also thanks for posting the OST!...
this game taught me much about life and philosophy. It legitimately made me a better person.
Best of the Breath of Fire Series.
One shotted that backstabbing angel with Wildfire.
0:58 Chrono Trigger Black Omen theme? Considering the other songs that also sound like Chrono Trigger, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the inspiration.
Yasunori Mitsuda was the composer for this game as well I believe
@@Ryuoh No, Yoshino Aoki and Akira Kaida composed BoF3. Yoshino-san went ahead to do BoF4 too.
@@jnichols0388 Imma go look it up
The ultimate betrayal...
Classic
Which vers of the ost did u upload the special or the original
Awaken the Kaiser dragon
Garr's true boss fight wasn't as satisfying as fighting Balio and Sunder in the Wyndia dungeon, sadly...
it was a lot more about the story and what it represented than the fight.
I remember turning in to the Behemoth and expecting some dragged out fight and then Killing him in a few hits and barely taking any damage.
Balio and Sunder were such good baddies
I defeated him in one hit, without using dragon genes. But, then again, I also spent a LOT of time leveling up and getting strong weapons for Ryu.
In all honesty, I think that a lot of people did...
So you played it canon to the story. Good.
@@KoruKinshi It's just that I remember seeing a fair number of comments saying that they used dragon genes to defeat Garr. Honestly, it's much more satisfying to me beating him with raw strength rather than using your powers.
Looks like SOMEBODY here bought Ryu a Barbarossa! ;)
@@metalspinda9594 I can't remember exactly what weapon I got for Ryu. I DO remember that he was taught Shadowwalk and I remember kicking Garr's ass with it.
What is it that terrified the guy more?
How badly he's getting his ass kicked right now...
....... Or how easily he won back then??
Know that dragons are the serpents in the bible? That's why Angels eliminate them all.
Would you say that Garr and his kind were related to Deatheven?
You can say yes, Myria created them.
So underrated. This theme is better than Donden!
super car noise? why? XD
Wait, wasn't this track called "Dragon Slayer"...?
A lot of tracks in this playlist were renamed. I think they actually went through two namingss, changing when official soundtrack releases came.
When it came to fighting him I was like: not again... but then he's easy in comparison it was kind of slightly.... disappointing.
I didn't see it that way back then. It was actually a moment of triumph, the little defenseless child Rei rescued in the wilderness had lived many adventures, and finally had gotten a grasp on his powers. To drive the point further home; notice that it is right after that scene there is a time jump to Ryu's grown state.
I agree the fight could have been significantly harder, but as far as the plot twist itself... it is one of my favorite moments in the game.
That was the point. This was the moment in the story the truth about the Brood was proven. The guardians stood no chance at all if they had fought back.