The thing about cloning animals is that the new one has the same DNA, but they are still a different animal. Like the video on the website said, it's like an identical twin. They have very similar DNA, but they can and will have different personalities and memories.
because people use horses as a sport and maybe if the horse was very successful and moved well then people would probably want a second one?????? I mean as a horse rider I still would think cloning horses is kinda weird 🙃
I'm pretty sure there is this German rider idk what he's called I read this a while ago, who has 5 clones of his best mare and he competes all of them an idk how that is allowed lol
@@anonymoususer9197 www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/12/six-cloned-horses-help-rider-win-prestigious-polo-match Not sure this is same guy, it's interesting anyway, and very very weird
I lost my dog last month and I'm in middle of the whole grieving process right now, and you know what? I'm kind of embarrassed, but cloning my dog is actually coming up to my mind pretty often. I understand that it's not the exact same dog but it still feels like "close enough" for me because losing him just feels too much...waaay too much. BUT with that being said, a huge problem about this whole cloning business is the safty/health issues of all the dogs that are forced to give birth to what could possibility be hundreds of puppies. The truth is, this whole business is just a glorified high-tech puppy mill selling puppies that looks a little similar to your lost dog but a completely different one for $50,000 by taking advantage of your grief. They clearly don't care for the well being of animals or the grief the owners are going through. PET OWNERS PLEASE DON'T FALL FOR THIS SHIT.
Thank you for your kind words :) I hope you're doing okay too! Pets lives a short life but they give us so much joy and happiness. That's something we could never replace with money.
Reminded me of a story I've just read (fictional of course) where the guy was okay with people BURNING his lover under the pretense of her being a witch because he knew he could bring her back using his time magic NO dude NO! I still can't get over that
@@jellyfishi_ that was out of nowhere, wildly inaccurate, and a bit offensive. Cloning would be more akin to how Christians think anyway, considering they think they'll see their loved ones again, whereas atheists think their loved ones are gone forever. But, how about, here's a thought, we *DON'T* be pricks to people because of their personal beliefs
there are millions of stray dogs in the streets, thousands of dogs out for adoption.. and people are really out there spending 50k to Clone dogs. that's honestly heartbreaking.
To me its not even the same dog. What makes a dog itself isn’t just dna its also life experiences, so to me its just another dog that looks like the original. And if I wanted that id just adopt a new one that looks similar for a fraction of the price.
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Yeah it's literally not. The equivalent of identical twins. But weirder and morally ambiguous, to put it mildly.
Christopher McCrory I'm not a psychopath but my cat of 20 years died on Friday and I'd pay whatever it takes to get her back ;( EDIT: all I was saying is I can understand the mindset
@@LittleIcarus Im so sorry for your loss. But you need to realize that if you take your cats genes and make a clone that ts NOT her. It would be a cat that looks exactly the same but with a different personality, likes and dislikes, etc. It's basically like if your cat was born and had a twin, except this twin is cloned. It wouldn't be paying to get your cat back, it would be paying to get a cat that looks like your cat.
This brings up the morality of mortality, and the humane side of grieving or dealing with death. The start of animal cloning can evolve into human cloning and religiously (i am not very religious) the thought and feeling of being able to replace someone makes it lose value, not to undermine the fact that the clone will be different, the difference imo would open up the wound of death, instead of closing it up, or making it disappear.
Exactly. Grieving is a mental process, you need to deal with it mentally. Trying to cover up the discomfort in alternative ways does not fix the stem of the problem- which in this case is grieving. But it applies to so much other shit that people are choosing to normalise now too, like choosing plastic surgery over self love. It goes to show how sad humans really are.
Ok but this is literally a dystopian novel in the making. What if it gets so popular that people will clone the best animals and sell them but you don’t know if it’s a clone or not so you have to have papers showing it’s the original. The clones could become so despised because they are worth less than the original animal. Or what if they clone the animal just to use its organs to keep the original animal alive. Like this is so creepy and there are so many possibilities. Gross.
Exactly, it gives me the same vibes from this one story I read on Reddit (will link if I can find it) Edit: www.reddit.com/r/shortscarystories/comments/i0kvrf/an_artificial_life/?
Hey, biology student here! There’s a fuckton of problems here: First of all, the dog’s not gonna live much. His cells are already as old as the “original” dog was when he got the biopsy done, so his life expectancy will be considerably lower. For example if the dog was ten years old at the time of the biopsy and was supposed to live up to twenty years old, he will only live ten years, not twenty. Also, cloning nowadays isn’t nearly as advanced as they make it out to be. There’s a huge chance that he’ll have a ton of genetic problems that the might not have even detected now, making his quality of life considerably worse. So please, please, dear rich people, wait another twenty years before you try to clone anything and just adopt an animal who needs it
@@fashiharz8584 So, in order to clone something, you need one of their cells, right? The cells of an x year old organism. You extract the nucleus, where the dna of the x year old animal is (making the dna also x years old). Then you get an egg from another animal of the same species. You extract the nucleus of the egg and place the nucleus of the first animal in its place. Think of it as a nucleus swap. You then put the egg in a foster mother and TADA! You got an embryo that's genetically the same as the organism numer 1! Bit of a drawback though: the original cell is already x years old, which means that the new organism is still gona operate as an x years old one (idk if that's the correct wording, english is not my mother language)
The Hair Of Slytherin I don’t think it’s really that big of an issue, at the end of the day dogs/humans don’t die because of the length of their DNA’s telomeres. Usually it’s something else that kills them first.
LMB _It’s unusual to die of natural causes?_ Not every grandparent who passes died because they caught a disease or something killed them, old age is a legitimately common way to go...
Med student here! What @The Hair of Slytherin said is true, it's why Dolly the sheep lived only about 6 years when her life expectancy should've been around twice as much. One of the theories is that her telomeres (the caps at the end of your chromosomes) were shortened by age, and she only had a certain number of divisions left until the cells entered apoptosis or programmed cell death. I'm really interested to see how long these cloned pets live after though
I wrote an essay about this exact subject in middle school and titled it "See Spot Run... Again" and I argued that you'd get a copy of the same dog, that has none of the same experiences that made your dog special. They'd just look the same, there's no guarantee they'd have the same disposition. And that's what we love about our dogs, the way they behave.
Fun fact: Cloned CATS have a decent likelihood of not looking similar to the original, due to how the gene for coat patterns work. Example: The 'original' could have a tabby coat, but the 'clone' has a black coat.
@@luxmin6115 Honestly, seeing an animal that LOOKS like your deceased pet but ISN'T your deceased pet feels like it would hurt more than just having lost the pet in the first place - but imagining the feeling that you TRIED to get that pet back, but now you just have a hard reminder that you'll never have that pet back again? I think that tops it all.
I feel like that would just make me more sad. Like the exact replica of my now dead dog would make moving on hurt so much more. Why not wait a bit and adopt? At the time you would be so sad that you wouldn’t realize that getting a replica of your dead best friend would actually be hurting you in the long run. I don’t know, this whole thing just doesn’t seem like a good idea to me.
it’s awful and has been happening for years in cat and dog farms. people like to treat animals as objects and it’s just disgusting how people act like it’s not a problem
i’ve seen comment like this so often now and i agree, but what we’re doing with cows (for instance) is the same - if not worse. they are being kept pregnant so that they keep producing milk all the time. yet most of the people don’t see this as infuriating
I lost my 13 year old dog recently and the thought of replacing her like that just feels wrong. I understand why someone who is grieving would think this is a good idea, but I feel like it's an unhealthy way to cope with loss, not to mention it's not the same animal and there are many others who need it.
There’s no way to grieve properly, different things impact different people differently, if cloning their important animal will help that said person to actually move on then why not?
There's a Japanese animation series with one episode about that. Eat the essence of your dead parent, get pregnant magically and give birth to your parent. Rinse and repeat.
I lost my cat (who was 17 years old) almost exactly a year ago and the thought of cloning him seems like a disgusting insult to his memory, it would never be the same cat and it feels cruel to the original, the clone, and the mother that would have to carry him. I would never ever do this.
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My thoughts exactly. Lost my 16 year old cat extremely suddenly five years ago. I never would have considered this. She was special and unique, I'd rather have that experience again with a different adopted animal.
From my understanding, the puppies in the litter that aren't a close enough match to the desired clone are killed. Plus, who knows how the moms are treated. And also, the clones don't share the same memories. You really aren't getting the dog or pet you lost, just a genetic copy. But not your dog. Edit: Was not expecting this comment to blow up like it did. People asked for my sources so anyway, these are my sources: Main sources: ua-cam.com/video/Ud9oDVpCutg/v-deo.html (18 min video but very good!) ua-cam.com/video/DmHYUvmiXQI/v-deo.html Other sources: www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-cloning-your-dog-so-wrong-180968550/ www.endanimalcloning.org/animalwelfare.shtml www.alphr.com/bioscience/1008666/barbara-streisand-dogs-cloned-pets erlc.com/resource-library/articles/carbon-copy-cruelty-the-ethical-concerns-with-pet-cloning ua-cam.com/video/dV2OxSGhwjY/v-deo.html www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/08/dog-cloning-animal-sooam-hwang
I don’t know about that lol, that sounds a bit strange lol, I doubt people who value animals enough to make a business of cloning them would kill off a bunch of puppies or treat the surrogate dog poorly
Minouxx99 have you heard of puppy mills? People don’t get into businesses like this because they love animals, they do it to make money point blank period
@@interrobangbang9547 exactly. People love dogs, people can't deal with it when their dogs die, so the company makes money when people want 'their dogs' back.
When my black lab I’d had since I was a baby died, we walked dogs at our local spca. We found a black lab their who looked just liked him, and he was a great dog. If you really have to grieve that way, adoption is a good idea
Literally exactly my situation though? Our black lab died and we looked around at finally settled on another black lab in dire need of a good home. Adoption is underrated.
They said "we cloned him so he could meet the child he saved," but you didn't put his brain in the clone. He didn't save the kid. It's a new, separate dog. He just looks the same. He has a whole new personality and different experiences. Look, it's hard to lose a pet, but what they're doing is so disrespectful!! Death is inevitable, and you gotta deal with it. You can't undo it, either. Imagine only being alive to have to be someone else. Jesus, this feels so wrong.
This topic is quite relevant to me actually. We had to put one our dogs down today. We’ve had him for 11 years and he leaves a special place in our hearts. I could never imagine cloning your animal who passed away. It just sounds absurd to me.
Cloning pets just sounds like a one-way ticket to prolong your grieving, doesn't it? If they've passed on then it's best to remember the impact they had on your life, the memories & time spent together. It's kind of heartbreaking, in a way... Trying to sell emotionally-vulnerable people a so called "solution" to their sorrow, quite scummy practice that.
Not only that but you’d also have to take care of them as babies change their diaper feed them bathe them teach them how to ride a bike and in the end you basically have a child and even if you view them as your friend it’d still be weird to have a friend conversation with someone who’s a lot younger than you
It would be a pretty cool fiction, though. Like a president or king who seemingly lives forever, but is actually just cloned. Those cloned babies are essentially trained and educated on being a leader until it's their time to replace the previous clone.
An hypothesis suggests that clones may actually die faster than the original. To put it simply: you can clone, for example, a dog using the cells from your 12 yo pet, but that may not change the age of the cells you've extracted and used to create the new version of the canine. At the end of each chromosome there are telomeres which protect the chromosome from deterioration and from fusing with the neighboring chromosome, these telomeres also try to avoid that when a cell splits major part of DNA don't get replicated. But, as time goes by, the telomeres stop working and important parts of DNA aren't fully replicated when the cells split. This is the aging process (which doesn't solely depend of telomeres). This way, a clone of a 12 yo pet may live less than it's original. But this isn't yet confirmed. Another reason a clone may live significantly less than the original is that implanting a nucleus in an egg can cause damage to the DNA making it harder for the animal to survive or producing a healthy clone. Cloning is still being researched and we are far from being able to clone human beings, as the success rate oscillates and the risk of producing damaged clones is high because of many different factors we still have to study thorougly.
Judging by your professional tone and knowledge on the topic, I assume you are familiar with this field of research. Then you shouldn't treat your proposed aging hypothesis as the right one because it's not a proven one yet. There have been a couple of examples when cattle cloned from somatic cells of relatively old cows have outlived the subtracted life expectancy. The length of the clones' telomeres is also longer than the " originals' " is. Obviously, I don't have a degree in this field... yet. I'm only planning to apply for Bioengineering, so as much as I'd like to say I'm familiar with the process, in fact, I only know the concept. So if you know something about the topic, be sure to leave any links, I will gladly consume every research or paragraph I can find as long as it doesn't lead me into Bill Gates X COVID conspiracies territory lol
@@niyandrey Thank you for your comment. I do not have a degree in bioengineering or anything, I'm just a fanatic and I've read and heard about the telomeres hypothesis before, and was just trying to explain what I had read/saw in various articles and documentaries. Before writing this comment I did my research not to spread misinformation, but I didn't word it properly. As you said, we don't know yet how beings age exactly, and the fact that it partially depends on telomeres is in fact, still an hypothesis. Now, about the cattles, you are right. Some cloned cattles outlived the originals and the length of the telomeres was that of a newborn baby. My comment is solely based off of the hypothesis that telomeres might regenerate as shorter than a newborn's should be. Even though that doesn't happen in every single case, and the length of telomeres relies on a lot of different factors. I have modified the comment so to not mislead anyone. As for the articles, you'd find a lot of good ones on Google Scholar just by typing in the key words! I use it for my university assignments all the time. I was trying to find some other places where you could find a good article, and just by searching in google and making sure that the source is reliable, you can find some pretty good articles. You might also find good articles on the NCBI (National Center for Biotechnology Information) site. I found this interesting article I think you might enjoy www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC305328/ Good luck on your bioengineering studies! :)
There're two reasons why someone would clone his / her pet dog and in both cases it will most likely bring more harm than good 1. Grief. In our culture we're already so disconnected from death that some people are ready to clone their pets to avoid feeling sad about loosing companion. The coping mechanism is unhealthy by itself but it also won't work. Your cloned puppy will have the same DNA but also will be raised by a different mum, fed with different food, even you, its owner will be a completely different person after all the years you've spent with the original pet. Because of the environmental factors your new dog will be similar to your friend enough for it to hurt but not close enough so you will think it's the same animal 2. Breed. Modern dog breeds already suffer from a plethora of problems caused by limited gene pools and inbreeding so cloning would make the situation even worse I would also mention the overpopulated animal shelters but I have a feeling that the people who have enough money to think about cloning their pets don't even consider having a mutt
@@jillianhernandez the keyword there being "reputable" however it's no secret that not everyone who wants a "purebred" dog is willing to pay big money (sometimes thousands of dollars for high demand breeds). That's why there's so many problems with puppy mills and the like that exploit popular breeds of dogs and definitely don't use genetic testing
@@curlyadventures Of course, I'm aware of the sick people that only use animals for personal gain. But there are reputable breeders who genetic and health test and plan out a breeding months in advance to get the perfect litter that's been purposefully bred for certain things. Sorry if I came off as rude before, didn't mean it that way.
I remember seeing an article about a family who cloned their dog and were upset that the clone's personality was not 100% the same as the original dog was, and I think that's something people don't really give enough thought to when considering cloning. You're not getting the exact same animal, because environment, nurture etc. matters. You will get the same set of genes in the same order as the original, but there will always be some differences between a clone and an original. Would I clone my own dog? No. My dog passed away few years ago, and it was one of the hardest times I've had to live through, and while cloning would never be financially viable option for me, I also feel like that a clone wouldn't be the same. It might look the same and have the same temperament, but it would not have the same memories, experiences and knowledge as the OG did. It wouldn't be my dog, it would be a fresh copy of my dog. I would rather just get a new puppy of the same breed and make new memories with that puppy; the new puppy and a clone would be on the same level anyway. The clone doesn't have memories of the past, or care that I paid 50k to make it real. I could keel over the next day and the clone puppy would be adopted out and live a completely different life, and it wouldn't matter because it wouldn't know any different.
Yo this is giving me flashbacks to this YA novel I loved in 5th grade, called Double Identity. The narrator's parents were older and super protective, she always had outdated toys, etc. Turns out their first child had died in a tragic car accident, so instead of just like.... you know, having another kid.... they made a CLONE and never told their new kid about her "sister" because it was illegal I guess lmao
{Waveyrichu} [夢ちい] so we should use this to improve the technology so it can go towards preserving different species,,.. it stresses me out so much that we’re just using this for pets LOL
Ravioli i think a big part of it has to do with the carrying of the embryo (what would carry a species that doesn’t exist any more?) as well as the inability to clone more complicated & endangered animals. it’s not as simple as it sounds. but also please can we work towards that instead of... idk... cloning a dog for a millionaire
My husband and I joke about cloning our dog when he gets to that end life stage but would never actually do that. The fact that they force these surrogate mothers into carrying these clones saddens me. Its like a $50,000 puppy mill. Plus, are these surrogates carrying just 1 clone embryo or multiple? The more I think about it, the angrier I become.
Their frequent use of the word “preservation” just gives me the creeps. Like, it feels like they’re trying to convince people that they can make their dogs almost... *immortal* if they just pay this company thousands of dollars. Like D’Angelo said: if the typical lifespan of your dog’s breed is around 12-15 years, whose to say that you don’t clone your dog AGAIN when the second one dies? Whose to say that your children don’t do the same thing? In that case, does the continuous copying of genes present the possibility of defects? And does it qualify as immortality if the “same” person gets to live over and over again, like some sort of Phoenix Effect? Idk, this all just seems WILDLY unregulated by the scientific community and by morals in general.
@@jameshauck9148 but that step forward is a step to not cross like by that point they would try and clone people wouldnt they? and even then its still not good
The dog would look similar but would have a different personality. So similar but not the same. That's a bad way of dealing with grief. 100% agree with D'angelo in that you should always adopt. We don't have kill shelters here in Scotland bet regardless there are far too many innocent souls who need a home.
The cloned dog isn’t going to have your original dog’s personality, memories, etc... it isn’t going to love you and do things exactly like your original dog. So what’s the point? I also think it’s hilarious that these people are paying thousands upon thousands of dollars to clone a golden retriever... like not to be rude but most goldens look very similar, it’s not like your dog has a unique coloration or structure that you’re trying to replicate and it won’t act the same so why do it at all??
Yeah, like that wouldn't be the same dog that saved the baby, it would just look like the dog, which doesn't make sense because you're paying a crap load of money for a dog that just looks kinda similar to your dog
ThatSasquatch well, I do agree that cloning is a weird thing to do and I wouldn’t do it, but lots of traits in dogs are genetic and often times so are their behaviors. For instance some dogs are inherently more intelligent then others and some dogs are more hyper or some are calmer or easier to train etc. lots of behaviors in pets are already present upon birth. Another reason that one may clone a dog is to have a good dog for hunting which can for many dogs be a traumatic experience, and although some breeds are better for hunting, there is still a large margin of variability even within those specific breeds. I’m sure there are more reasons but I’m too lazy to do any research on the topic
Nick Rarely comments it’s still not the same dog. When you talk about certain traits that are present at birth, like trainability or hyperactivity, that’s just a general guess at what the dog is gonna be like; it’s not a guarantee. The cloned dog will develop its own habits and behaviors that are different from its predecessor. The mistake you’re making (and the clone dog owners, too) is that the memories or personality of predecessor dog will transfer genetically; that’s not how genetics work. The only transfer is DNA, which will slightly change as clone dog ages
Leon Plié DNA doesn’t change with age and there is a genetic element to certain behaviors in animals, although you are right that the memories and personality of the dog won’t transfer, often times certain personality traits are present at birth, it’s the same for humans, for instance depression and some addictions (like alcoholism and drug dependence) are hereditary. Basically some aspects of any animals personality, while not guaranteed, are heavily affected by their genetics. There is also proof that different sounds are uncomfortable to animals at different levels based on their heredity. For instance some people are more annoyed by the sound of chewing because of genetics, this correlates to my assessment of a dogs comfort around firearms because they may be genetically inclined to be more comfortable around loud bangs. I know it’s not the same dog, but it has the same DNA, so it would inherit all of the traits that it’s predecessor was born with.
The only actual reason I can see someone having is if they had some sort of miraculous, perfect-conformation dog that had no genetic diseases. It may seem cold, but a conformation dog bred from two winners can occasionally also cost thousands, so paying more to make sure you have a known perfect pup can, on rare occasions, be worth it.
Basically they take a female dog cut it open take one of her eggs and fill it with your dogs dna and put it in her egg. After that she she has the babies then they rip the puppy apart just so the people can have a second dog. It’s like a puppy mill but 10 times worst. And the dogs have no say in the matter
It actually is! The companies hide the animal abuse from the public and instead prey on emotions the article "Carbon copy cruelty: The ethical concerns with pet cloning" actually states that " Given the unusually high rates of late-term miscarriages and high birth weights among clones, the surrogate mothers are at greater risk of dying or suffering serious complications than animals who become pregnant naturally. The clones, themselves, however, suffer the most serious problems: They are much more likely than other animals to be miscarried, have birth defects, develop serious illnesses, and die prematurely." So not only is the pregnant poor female dog mother at risk of dying or suffering a painful life, but the dog you just cloned could grow sick, have unnatural mutations and die really quickly :>
This is really what pushed it over the edge for me. Without really thinking about the logistics I was like “that’s kinda weird, but whatever I guess...” but forcing a dog to carry this clone is disgusting and so sad.
I don’t think it’s morally wrong necessarily, just illogical? It’s not the same dog? It just looks the same, plus they don’t live as long. Viogen shady af though.
I probably won't even get the same breed of my dogs (huskies) just bc it would feel like I was trying to replace them, which could never be done wtf. Also these ppl do know that if they adopt another dog from the same breed would most likely look very close to the original...
I lost my dog last year, she was 12 years old, literally 3 years younger than me and she's been my best friend for almost my entire life really. She had cancer for a few years, but she had a couple small operations to remove tumours (they were only at the surface). Suddenly in may last year she started breathing abnormally, moving slowly, her gums turned pale and she was lethargic and tired. Up until then she had always been thrilled to go for a walk, and she would slow down as we neared our house on the way back because she wanted to stay outside, but as she was ill she could just slowly totter to the end of the street, and would need to be carried back home. Even seeing my own dog physically unable to be herself was absolutely heartbreaking. She went to the vets overnight for injections to hopefully open her airways, so she would be able to breathe better (although we've never really known the exact cause of her breathing issues), and she died on the early morning of june 1st through essentially suffocation. Hearing that she had died was absolutely _mortifying_, I felt guilty that she had died, I was so shocked that she just didnt exist anymore. For anyone who has never lost a pet, or any close family, you just dont get over them like you might do with a lost toy as a kid. Even now I expect to see her, _my_ dog when I enter rooms and come home, not a dog that looks like her and has her face, a dog who smiles and jumps and sprints with the same excitement as she did. I have a recurring nightmare where she returns, but she is wrong or corrupt, her fur is cold and smells of antiseptic, her skin is hard and her face is moulded into the same way as she lay on the table of the vets. Or she is completely void of all expression, walks mechanically, and responds to no stimuli. I really couldn't imagine how these people must feel to want to clone their dog, just trying to scrap their grief and forget that they ever lost anything, maybe so immersed in the power of technology and cloning that they never stopped to mourn and consider the value and sacredness and loss of the life of their real dog, the original dog. I know that I will always love my dog, and cherish the time and childhood I got to spend with her, and I hope if anyone reads this that they can understand that to mourn for your loss is to respect and cherish them when they were alive. ❤
Wow... this was really profound. I'm 33 and still have dreams about my beloved childhood dogs being alive. There's something comforting about it, but it also feels much like you describe. Often, the dream involves someone noticing that the dog is still around and doing the math on how old it must be. The dog wasn't totally ignored before, just that no one really paid attention to how very, very old it was. Once someone points it out, I realize how fragile the dog is and worry it could die any minute. Everything feels weird. Out of balance. The dog usually acts distant. I've given this some thought before, but your comment helped me see it more clearly. I think it will be helpful to reflect on. I may come up with new insights, or at least come to terms with the recent health decline of my parents' 14 year old dog, who I lived with for several years and love dearly. I appreciate you sharing all this. I'm glad you had many years with your beloved dog. She must have been so happy with you. I know her memories will bring you joy and peace throughout your life, just like my dogs have.
:( this made my cry. I have a dog, but she’s still young. But i really dont know how i would be able to deal with her death, if just your comment itself and ur description of how it went for you and how it is still going for you, can make me cry already, I have no idea how much pain I’ll have to bare when my dog dies :(
@@lesserafimchangedmylife My dog is 6 and will be around the age where her breed passes away and I'll be 18, and I don't want her to go. But I know I will be able to have her in my heart for the rest of my life and I don't need a cloned version of her to be happy.
Damn I just read all that. It’s lowkey crazy that I read this on June 1, 2020. But yeah cloning the dog isn’t respecting and cherished the original dog. It’s “replacing”
better option (if you really weirdly want an 'identical' dog): FIND A SIMILAR LOOKING PUPPY AT A SHELTER. That way, you even get a decent overview of its personality, since clones have no guarentee they'll be similar to your original dog in that regard
This is like your wife dying and your way to deal with the loss is going back in time and snatching her and placing her in your timeline. You can understand the person’s grief, but... it’s not morally right.
To be fair it's more like you snatch your wife in the past except that she doesn't even know you. What even is the point with these mfs cloning their pets
@@knight1706 He wanted his wife and son back so he opened the multiverse to find a universe where they were still alive so he could bring them into his universe...?
I mean, it's pretty much nothing like that. A clone doesn't just manifest into your life as an instant 35-year-old woman, so you'd end up with more like an adoptive daughter that looks almost exactly like your dead wife and you'd raise from when she's a baby. But into the spider-verse is an amazing movie.
@@ycn_kashfnm9380 Have you ever actually been grief-stricken before? When you're grieving, you do irrational things - and a day, two days after your pet dies you realize "Wait I can get them back!" so you, not in your right mind, do it. It's capitalizing on people's grief. Plain and simple.
I’ve been an animal lover my entire life. My grandmother raised me and she always took care of any stray , injured animal and passed that love on to me. I think this is a horror movie in the making. Each animal has their own “ soul” so this is just crazy. As you stated there are too many pets of all species that need living homes. No need for this at all. Love you D’Angelo 🖤 Also ... think of all the animals that could benefit from a $50k donation to their shelter !!! I mean , some people have too much $ ! I agree with you and think you should be able to spend on whatever you want but there is a point where it’s just ridiculous when there’s so much poverty in the world. Anyway just my 2 cents.
I feel bad for the dogs that are being impregnated, it feels like abuse. It reminds me of how in the book the giver there were people whos entire job was to get pregnant and the government would kill them after they gave birth three times. (They would also take the babies away in the book).
except I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't some sort of breeding farm where they kept a bunch of female dogs there for the sole person of carrying and holding the cline puppies. I personally hate this, cuz i just don't support breeding to this level, and i doubt those dogs are being treated very well
i remember when cloning animals was relatively new, in like 2011/2012, and my english class had a discussion on it and read some articles about pet cloning and it’s honestly... heartbreaking. the one i still remember all these years later was about this old couple who owned a farm, and had a very sweet, mild-tempered bull that was well loved by the community and all the kids who would visit. when he died, they and the community were so grief stricken that they paid for a clone of the bull. and the clone was... a very typical bull. aggressive and not friendly. so instead of going through the natural grief process and remembering their beloved pet fondly, they were left with an expensive reminder that their bull could never come back, and not only that, it tainted their memories. i think cloning is fascinating, and definitely has value when it comes to scientific and medical research, but for everyday pet cloning... no. just. no.
IKR, talk to any identical twins and you’ll find while they’re still a little similar (as genetics do determine a few things such as political beliefs) they are still very much individuals and anyone who was a friend could easily list off all their differences.
@@rat5800 typically theyre influenced by the genetics but as everything, its not 100%. also bc upbringing determines it a lot of your beliefs and stuff :)
It would seem extra heartbreaking for the families to have to lose the “same” dog twice. Plus cloning can lead to health problems and the cloned animal typically has a shorter lifespan than that of the original.
It's mostly a myth, cloned animals live almost as long as the "hosts". The fact that Dolly lived longer than her clone is a couple of decades old and dismisses years of research and improvement made in this department. Not that I want to see my pet or relative die as much times as possible, that's just f'ed up, but both cloning and genetic engineering give humanity a guarantee to preserve itself from genetic degradation by inevitable inbreeding problems in the far future. Also, puppies!
@Tofainda no I guess I am type of ppl that can see the obvious. From a video about cloning dogs and ethical issues it brings this dude and ppl like you got is “these people (dramatic pause) have more money than me RRREEEEEE 😰🤢🤮” so yeah y’all are jealous and worry more about money than anything else.
my dog just died at the beginning of this year, and it was sad but no way would I want to clone her. she was nearly 16, which is HELLA old for a Labrador retriever. she was ready to go, and we’re planning to adopt a dog from a shelter when we’re ready for another dog. cloning your dog is just weird
it’s weird in a sad way tbh. to people it’s like losing a family member, and obviously they’re gonna want to have their family back. + and we cannot really speak for the people who clone dogs since we haven’t lost our dogs ourselves. although im allergic to dogs so i have little experience with them. loss of my cousin’s frenchie hit hard though
the thought of my dead bunny (who i loved very dearly, but died of cancer) being cloned and having like the exact same genes and looking the same but not having the same bonds and life experiences makes my skin crawl. also it just feels like death denial which is like a huge issue with people in general when it comes to dealing with grief
Every time D'Angelo says "honestly, who cares?" it makes me want more of the video. Cause I realize I didn't cared before but now I do. Dammit, D'Angelo.
As someone who’s lost a pet within the past few months, I couldn’t bring myself to do it. As much as I miss my dog and would love to have him back, it won’t really be him. It’s a dog with the exact same genetic make up but none of the memories and it’s not guaranteed it would have the same personality. As much as I feel for the pet owners, it kind of waters down the grieving process knowing you have a “back up” once the original passes.
that’s exactly how I feel about this. it would just feel weird and kinda wrong. also, sorry to hear your doggy passed away, i bet he lived a happy life. (:
In the equine world, this is also an... um...interesting topic. There’s this one very rich competitor with a barn full of clones of his prize winning gelding. Um. Anyway.
The dog was named Marley... and they got a clone... of Marley... I can imagine this being the plot for a new movie from the " Marley and me " franchise, and turns into a moral that it won't be the same dog at all and everyone dies.
Oooh but make it a dystopian horror film from the dogs point of view where a little bit of his consciousness survives with every cloning and his lifetimes are painful, they've had to put down clones 5-9 because of the constant whining. The dog lives through the kids getting married. The vets couldn't figure out what was wrong. Viogen insisted he was an exact replica. They add better genes for "health" hoping it helps. Clone 10 is a shell of his former self, trauma stricken and bitter, he just wants to die and becomes this nightmare Cujo dog determined to bring down viogen and his selfish owners he once cherished but now loathes.
“Life is a fickle thing, it’s not meant for meddling”-Globletombus from Little Runmo. Edit: This feels like a scam. They could just be adopting dogs and giving the most one similar away.
that's what i was thinking. like,, its so easy to take a dog like a Labrador or a Doberman and just find some random puppy from a breeder that looks the same. I'm wondering if a scandal would come out if someone with a dog that's a mutt, with more unique markings and patterns that you couldn't just go and find, were to try getting their pet cloned
It's Beau Yo you can clone animals, its not difficult, but dogs have many neonatal and natal factors that are dangerous to meddle with (which viagen are meddling with, from the sound of their "surrogates you dont meet")
@@gayloser2120 cause if you look at the NATO phonetic alphabet. Charlie Echo and Delta ( Jurassic world ) are on there.. and I really like dinosaurs.. Foxtrot is right after that and I think it sounds cool/it rolls off the tongue.
Unpopular opinion: as someone who is depressed, lonely, and only is really able to find companionship in my current situation through my pets, I can honestly understand why someone might do this and I honestly think I would even consider it if I had that kind of money, especially if I was grieving in my already not great mental state. That being said, the thought that I would even consider it is terrifying to me, as there's a million ethical problems I have with this whole situation and in the end, it really wouldn't help me OR my pets in any way, so what's the point?
I suffer from depression and anxiety and I don't know what I'd do without pets in the house. But I would adopt new ones because they need loving homes and it would make me so happy to know that I saved a life.
My dog's 14 He's called Paddy and he's looked after me since I was younger (just being a chill dude like as dogs are) and he's possibly going to die soon (dark I know) but we're going be just mourning him and remember him We would never do this because 1) it would *never* be the same dog 2) you can give an adopted dog an amazing home instead of being hung up on your dog dying Bit dark but my opinion
My issue with this is that it'll get to the point where people buying into this will be the same who would be willing to clone dead relatives if it ever got to that point. Edit: I just want to say thanks for the likes. Also I'm open to a conversation even if we have different opinions but please refrain from name calling or being rude because that contributes nothing to the conversation at hand.
@@colin2590 I mean a lot of things used to be illegal that is now legal today. It may not be legal in the next few decades but it could eventually happen. We never truly know.
The concept of losing a dog and then cloning it actually makes me want to cry. I dread the day that my dog passes away but it would never be the same dog if I went through with this. I know my dog will be gone someday so I just try to cherish my memories with him now while I can
honestly i think it would be really sad to have a clone of my cat. i've had her for 15 years and i can't imagine having a cat that looks exactly like her who doesn't know who i am.
I wouldn't clone my dogs after they pass away... Idk in a way it almost feels disrespectful? Like if you really love them that much then let them have their legacy and respect the time they spent on Earth with you.
I also feel like its really hurtful to the dog. Its like "oh so as long as it looks like me its fine, never mind that you know Its Not Me!" If i were the dog i'd feel like i had just been replaced and that my value had been reduced to nothing more than what i looked like. Idk, i think i explained this very clumsily 😅 (sorry about the grammar)
this is so similar to the book “double identity” I screws with a girls mind that she was a clone of her sister and that she wasn’t supposed to exist. I 100% why this is very much morally wrong for humans but I don’t understand why people think its ok for animals. Its just the same thing but for a different species. Its mind boggling for me.
As someone who recently lost their dog, I would NOT clone him if I had the chance. There are already so many dogs in the US alone that need homes. Instead, I think Buster (my dog) would want me to do the same as I did with him. Adopt to literally save a life.
Honestly if this was targeted at me when I lost my cat of 10yrs , up to six months afterwards , I would've been pulled into this hard and would've done anything to get her back, including cloning. So this is really predatory, I'm just glad I'm in a spot now where I've moved on from that intense grieving.
Bro if people can afford to clone a pet they can surely afford to get therapy to move on, or get like a new dog to love?? Imagine if your parents did this to you, that would be kinda wack
•Minni_Sung • i agree except for the part abt getting a new dog. getting a new dog is similiar as cloning, just less extreme because ultimately youre trying to replace the dead dog n pretend it never happened. they should get therapy and move on BEFORE getting a new dog tho, cuz being a replacement wouldnt be fair to the new dog.
i don't know . . . would you pay $50,000 to clone your dying dog?
50,000? Hell no
Maybe my cat-
Nah jk-
HEY DEANGELO
HELL NO. You know what I could get with 50- NO MA'AM.
Morally its not good, but I can see why some rich ass person would do it. Its just not going to work out the same.
The thing about cloning animals is that the new one has the same DNA, but they are still a different animal. Like the video on the website said, it's like an identical twin. They have very similar DNA, but they can and will have different personalities and memories.
My thoughts exactly!
ceca marcondes good point.
edit: for some reason ceca’s comment was deleted. here was the comment:
lpp
Clones also don't live long.
Yeah, those people pretty much just bought a new dog. Just for a more insane price.
They'll actually have similar personalities, many traits are genetic
What if they're just charging people $50,000 to 'clone' their dog but in reality this company is just finding puppies that look like the original dog
That's kinda like what I was thinking....
* xfiles theme starts * you've got a point
I like youre crack theory but its at 420 likes soo,,,,,
yes yes yes
Chloe Jane i think i read somewhere that they can even get special markings and stuff in their cloned pet? still fucking weird
“The family is gathering around the dog like he’s the second coming of Christ.” Haha good one.
Why is tbere 1.3k likes and no comments.
@@angelinemaria4936 make it two
@@Anthrocities it's three now
@@pulupulu1325 now four
Even cloning horses JUST to pass down the genes is pretty bad, and they wouldn’t act the same as the original, so WHY??????
because people use horses as a sport and maybe if the horse was very successful and moved well then people would probably want a second one?????? I mean as a horse rider I still would think cloning horses is kinda weird 🙃
I'm pretty sure there is this German rider idk what he's called I read this a while ago, who has 5 clones of his best mare and he competes all of them an idk how that is allowed lol
@@Rock_Lee_The_Handsome_Devil what? How. I'm sure it's illegal in Germany but I heard of a couple who on top of spending hella money also emigrated.
@@anonymoususer9197 I could be wrong, like I say is was a while ago I read this, I know for sure it was 5 clones of one mare- imma try find it
@@anonymoususer9197 www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/12/six-cloned-horses-help-rider-win-prestigious-polo-match
Not sure this is same guy, it's interesting anyway, and very very weird
I lost my dog last month and I'm in middle of the whole grieving process right now, and you know what? I'm kind of embarrassed, but cloning my dog is actually coming up to my mind pretty often. I understand that it's not the exact same dog but it still feels like "close enough" for me because losing him just feels too much...waaay too much.
BUT with that being said, a huge problem about this whole cloning business is the safty/health issues of all the dogs that are forced to give birth to what could possibility be hundreds of puppies.
The truth is, this whole business is just a glorified high-tech puppy mill selling puppies that looks a little similar to your lost dog but a completely different one for $50,000 by taking advantage of your grief. They clearly don't care for the well being of animals or the grief the owners are going through. PET OWNERS PLEASE DON'T FALL FOR THIS SHIT.
I'm so sorry for your loss :( I lost my beloved cat a few months ago and it's hard. You're strong, you can get through this 💜
Thank you for your kind words :) I hope you're doing okay too! Pets lives a short life but they give us so much joy and happiness. That's something we could never replace with money.
I feel you, I had to put down my dog, that I've had almost my whole life because of enlarged heart. Don't worry. You're not alone
*"We were fine with losing Marley* knowing he was preserved. " Okay, that's just messed up.
Omg ikr
i know, right? so disrespectful to someone you claim to love wtf ffs
Reminded me of a story I've just read (fictional of course) where the guy was okay with people BURNING his lover under the pretense of her being a witch because he knew he could bring her back using his time magic
NO dude NO! I still can't get over that
exactly, it’s another dog i feel like these people are just replacing their old dog which is weird
@@jellyfishi_ that was out of nowhere, wildly inaccurate, and a bit offensive. Cloning would be more akin to how Christians think anyway, considering they think they'll see their loved ones again, whereas atheists think their loved ones are gone forever. But, how about, here's a thought, we *DON'T* be pricks to people because of their personal beliefs
I love my dog but 50,000 dollars could also get me 1,124 lightning mcqueen crocs and I think we all know which one is the better decision.
...cloning the dog
1,124 pairs or individual crocs?
@@mag-narwhal fuck no, lightning mcqueen crocs are much more worth it than the same dog, same age, but without any memories of being with the owner.
@@namelastname766 it wouldn't be the same age, this isn't science fiction
@@RoemDaug oh, i just get alot of things from the most popular thing that sounds smart that everyone is saying which is pretty stupid of me tbh
there are millions of stray dogs in the streets, thousands of dogs out for adoption.. and people are really out there spending 50k to Clone dogs. that's honestly heartbreaking.
lolo there arent that many stray dogs, but yeah its wild people would do this to a dog
slidesandspoons yes there are??? girl do some research
@@lizsun261 move to India lmao, plenty of pooches there
These don't strike me as the kind of people who would adopt,
They would go to a breeder.
it honestly made me cry hearing about this cloning service. it's so wrong for so many reasons
To me its not even the same dog. What makes a dog itself isn’t just dna its also life experiences, so to me its just another dog that looks like the original. And if I wanted that id just adopt a new one that looks similar for a fraction of the price.
Yeah it's literally not. The equivalent of identical twins. But weirder and morally ambiguous, to put it mildly.
Please adopt. Don't buy
@@8rr725 oh my bad, poor choice of words
personalities can’t and shouldn’t be replicated in a lab
Seriously though.......ADOPT A FRICKING ANIMAL
Owner: *clones dying dog *
Dogs in shelters, that are very capable of giving love and companionship: Am I a joke to you?
Christopher McCrory
I'm not a psychopath but my cat of 20 years died on Friday and I'd pay whatever it takes to get her back ;(
EDIT: all I was saying is I can understand the mindset
@@LittleIcarus Im so sorry for your loss. But you need to realize that if you take your cats genes and make a clone that ts NOT her. It would be a cat that looks exactly the same but with a different personality, likes and dislikes, etc. It's basically like if your cat was born and had a twin, except this twin is cloned. It wouldn't be paying to get your cat back, it would be paying to get a cat that looks like your cat.
@@goldexx I know I said I would do anything to have HER back.
Wow
@@LittleIcarus sure but that’s not...what the initial comment was about
This brings up the morality of mortality, and the humane side of grieving or dealing with death. The start of animal cloning can evolve into human cloning and religiously (i am not very religious) the thought and feeling of being able to replace someone makes it lose value, not to undermine the fact that the clone will be different, the difference imo would open up the wound of death, instead of closing it up, or making it disappear.
Jennifer Beltran yessss exactly!!
I feel like cloning might lead to awful mutations.
exactly.
@@kintamas4425 it absolutely could & probably would.
Exactly. Grieving is a mental process, you need to deal with it mentally. Trying to cover up the discomfort in alternative ways does not fix the stem of the problem- which in this case is grieving. But it applies to so much other shit that people are choosing to normalise now too, like choosing plastic surgery over self love. It goes to show how sad humans really are.
Ok but this is literally a dystopian novel in the making. What if it gets so popular that people will clone the best animals and sell them but you don’t know if it’s a clone or not so you have to have papers showing it’s the original. The clones could become so despised because they are worth less than the original animal. Or what if they clone the animal just to use its organs to keep the original animal alive. Like this is so creepy and there are so many possibilities. Gross.
Exactly, it gives me the same vibes from this one story I read on Reddit (will link if I can find it)
Edit: www.reddit.com/r/shortscarystories/comments/i0kvrf/an_artificial_life/?
@@tumblingartist o wow
i hate that you have a point
You literally described the plot of "The Island" just replace animal to human lol
I've lost all faith in humanity at this point
Even the name of the company feels unsettling to me. “Viagen” feels very.... dystopian. I’m not sure why, but it makes me feel uneasy
To me it just looks like someone tried to spell "vagina" and had a stroke, but to each their own
Cat Tricks
Are you trying to imply that having a stroke while trying to spell vagina isn’t inherently a dystopian-belonging name?
Oscorp type beat, you know?
It literally sounds like viagra... how sus is that
AGREED brUh it sounds like it's coming straight from brave new world
Hey, biology student here! There’s a fuckton of problems here:
First of all, the dog’s not gonna live much. His cells are already as old as the “original” dog was when he got the biopsy done, so his life expectancy will be considerably lower. For example if the dog was ten years old at the time of the biopsy and was supposed to live up to twenty years old, he will only live ten years, not twenty.
Also, cloning nowadays isn’t nearly as advanced as they make it out to be. There’s a huge chance that he’ll have a ton of genetic problems that the might not have even detected now, making his quality of life considerably worse.
So please, please, dear rich people, wait another twenty years before you try to clone anything and just adopt an animal who needs it
I thought cloning just means making a genetic twin? What do you mean their cells are old? Which biology are you studying?
@@fashiharz8584 So, in order to clone something, you need one of their cells, right? The cells of an x year old organism. You extract the nucleus, where the dna of the x year old animal is (making the dna also x years old). Then you get an egg from another animal of the same species. You extract the nucleus of the egg and place the nucleus of the first animal in its place. Think of it as a nucleus swap. You then put the egg in a foster mother and TADA! You got an embryo that's genetically the same as the organism numer 1! Bit of a drawback though: the original cell is already x years old, which means that the new organism is still gona operate as an x years old one (idk if that's the correct wording, english is not my mother language)
The Hair Of Slytherin I don’t think it’s really that big of an issue, at the end of the day dogs/humans don’t die because of the length of their DNA’s telomeres. Usually it’s something else that kills them first.
LMB _It’s unusual to die of natural causes?_ Not every grandparent who passes died because they caught a disease or something killed them, old age is a legitimately common way to go...
Med student here! What @The Hair of Slytherin said is true, it's why Dolly the sheep lived only about 6 years when her life expectancy should've been around twice as much. One of the theories is that her telomeres (the caps at the end of your chromosomes) were shortened by age, and she only had a certain number of divisions left until the cells entered apoptosis or programmed cell death.
I'm really interested to see how long these cloned pets live after though
I wrote an essay about this exact subject in middle school and titled it "See Spot Run... Again" and I argued that you'd get a copy of the same dog, that has none of the same experiences that made your dog special. They'd just look the same, there's no guarantee they'd have the same disposition. And that's what we love about our dogs, the way they behave.
Fun fact: Cloned CATS have a decent likelihood of not looking similar to the original, due to how the gene for coat patterns work. Example: The 'original' could have a tabby coat, but the 'clone' has a black coat.
Oh.
l b oh?
ahaha imagine how the cloners would feel seeing their 50k clone looking like a completely different kitty
@@luxmin6115 Honestly, seeing an animal that LOOKS like your deceased pet but ISN'T your deceased pet feels like it would hurt more than just having lost the pet in the first place - but imagining the feeling that you TRIED to get that pet back, but now you just have a hard reminder that you'll never have that pet back again? I think that tops it all.
I feel like that would just make me more sad. Like the exact replica of my now dead dog would make moving on hurt so much more. Why not wait a bit and adopt? At the time you would be so sad that you wouldn’t realize that getting a replica of your dead best friend would actually be hurting you in the long run. I don’t know, this whole thing just doesn’t seem like a good idea to me.
srirachi ikr
Yeah, it's not the friend you had memories with. Just an imitation.
they can literally go to a shelter and get the exact same looking dog
maybe not the best for moving on but it's better than fuckin' cloning
swiggity swoda ibuki mioda
*does not condone unhealthy ways of grieving*
i would much rather adopt a shelter pet then clone my dog.
What about the surrogate mother? She's being abused.
it’s awful and has been happening for years in cat and dog farms. people like to treat animals as objects and it’s just disgusting how people act like it’s not a problem
@@redvelvetonly.7310 😢
i’ve seen comment like this so often now and i agree, but what we’re doing with cows (for instance) is the same - if not worse. they are being kept pregnant so that they keep producing milk all the time. yet most of the people don’t see this as infuriating
@@alina9772 i know,, all types of animal abuse is terrible and people are just blind to it :(
do you buy dairy products?
I lost my 13 year old dog recently and the thought of replacing her like that just feels wrong. I understand why someone who is grieving would think this is a good idea, but I feel like it's an unhealthy way to cope with loss, not to mention it's not the same animal and there are many others who need it.
People are gonna be disappointed when the cloned dog doesn't have the same personality and traits as their dead one 😰
I mean wouldn't it just be cheaper to get the same breed as your old dog?
@Nugget ST ikr
They most likely will tho
Yep. It's not the same dog obv, it's more like an identical twin or something.
All that money when you can pay a small adoption fee and adopt a dog that's in a shelter
“Aw, she looks just like her mom. Well, not her mom. Her prototype.”
No, this to me shows that people are unable to grieve properly, and move on.
"Grieve properly" lmao
There’s no way to grieve properly, different things impact different people differently, if cloning their important animal will help that said person to actually move on then why not?
Same with these weird "lifelike" baby dolls some people buy.
@@nothankyouthanksforasking well at least the baby dolls aren't going to die!
@@inekd everyone grieves differently, but the end goal is to accept the loss and move on. What about twelve years later when the clone dies?
“A dog is a mans best friend”
You shouldn’t be cloning the ones we love and have lost, they’re one in a million
Imagine a woman giving birth to her mother's clone. wtf
Well, that does indeed sound weird.
Naud van Dalen That sounds like a great plot for a twisted sci-fi film.
There's a Japanese animation series with one episode about that. Eat the essence of your dead parent, get pregnant magically and give birth to your parent. Rinse and repeat.
@@slothful2039 or actually happened
@@feelingallrai whats the name of that anime? I'm intrigued
I lost my cat (who was 17 years old) almost exactly a year ago and the thought of cloning him seems like a disgusting insult to his memory, it would never be the same cat and it feels cruel to the original, the clone, and the mother that would have to carry him. I would never ever do this.
My thoughts exactly. Lost my 16 year old cat extremely suddenly five years ago. I never would have considered this. She was special and unique, I'd rather have that experience again with a different adopted animal.
This is literally feeding off of people’s grief
From my understanding, the puppies in the litter that aren't a close enough match to the desired clone are killed. Plus, who knows how the moms are treated. And also, the clones don't share the same memories. You really aren't getting the dog or pet you lost, just a genetic copy. But not your dog. Edit: Was not expecting this comment to blow up like it did. People asked for my sources so anyway, these are my sources:
Main sources:
ua-cam.com/video/Ud9oDVpCutg/v-deo.html (18 min video but very good!)
ua-cam.com/video/DmHYUvmiXQI/v-deo.html
Other sources:
www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-cloning-your-dog-so-wrong-180968550/
www.endanimalcloning.org/animalwelfare.shtml
www.alphr.com/bioscience/1008666/barbara-streisand-dogs-cloned-pets
erlc.com/resource-library/articles/carbon-copy-cruelty-the-ethical-concerns-with-pet-cloning
ua-cam.com/video/dV2OxSGhwjY/v-deo.html
www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/08/dog-cloning-animal-sooam-hwang
OH TEY KILL THE OTHERS?! NOT EVEN PUTTING THEM UP FOR ADOPTION? THATS HORRIBLE
I don’t know about that lol, that sounds a bit strange lol, I doubt people who value animals enough to make a business of cloning them would kill off a bunch of puppies or treat the surrogate dog poorly
Minouxx99 thats not valuing animals dude thats a science experiment that they are cashing in on
Minouxx99 have you heard of puppy mills? People don’t get into businesses like this because they love animals, they do it to make money point blank period
@@interrobangbang9547 exactly. People love dogs, people can't deal with it when their dogs die, so the company makes money when people want 'their dogs' back.
When my black lab I’d had since I was a baby died, we walked dogs at our local spca. We found a black lab their who looked just liked him, and he was a great dog. If you really have to grieve that way, adoption is a good idea
Jimmy L Yes. And wayyyyy less expensive.
Jayne Crafter That or adopt a struggling dog from a shelter
Literally exactly my situation though? Our black lab died and we looked around at finally settled on another black lab in dire need of a good home. Adoption is underrated.
Same thing happened to me, except she was a hound. : ) It feels nice to adopt dogs and give them the love you gave the one you used to have. ❤
They said "we cloned him so he could meet the child he saved," but you didn't put his brain in the clone. He didn't save the kid. It's a new, separate dog. He just looks the same. He has a whole new personality and different experiences. Look, it's hard to lose a pet, but what they're doing is so disrespectful!! Death is inevitable, and you gotta deal with it. You can't undo it, either. Imagine only being alive to have to be someone else. Jesus, this feels so wrong.
ikr!!
This topic is quite relevant to me actually. We had to put one our dogs down today. We’ve had him for 11 years and he leaves a special place in our hearts. I could never imagine cloning your animal who passed away. It just sounds absurd to me.
I'm sorry for your loss. I hope you feel better soon!
Sorry about your doggo. They are truly man's best friend❤❤❤
Cloning pets just sounds like a one-way ticket to prolong your grieving, doesn't it? If they've passed on then it's best to remember the impact they had on your life, the memories & time spent together. It's kind of heartbreaking, in a way... Trying to sell emotionally-vulnerable people a so called "solution" to their sorrow, quite scummy practice that.
Ramm Book Thank you ❣️ Very lovely of you xx
Cinnamon Roll Thank you xx Dogs can change your whole mood just because of their presence! 💕✨
“My friend died, so I made an identical copy of them to preserve them” If you apply it to people you sound like a serial killer ffs
That Black Mirror episode
Not only that but you’d also have to take care of them as babies change their diaper feed them bathe them teach them how to ride a bike and in the end you basically have a child and even if you view them as your friend it’d still be weird to have a friend conversation with someone who’s a lot younger than you
Serial killer?
It would be a pretty cool fiction, though. Like a president or king who seemingly lives forever, but is actually just cloned. Those cloned babies are essentially trained and educated on being a leader until it's their time to replace the previous clone.
@@renno2679 new game +
An hypothesis suggests that clones may actually die faster than the original. To put it simply: you can clone, for example, a dog using the cells from your 12 yo pet, but that may not change the age of the cells you've extracted and used to create the new version of the canine.
At the end of each chromosome there are telomeres which protect the chromosome from deterioration and from fusing with the neighboring chromosome, these telomeres also try to avoid that when a cell splits major part of DNA don't get replicated. But, as time goes by, the telomeres stop working and important parts of DNA aren't fully replicated when the cells split. This is the aging process (which doesn't solely depend of telomeres).
This way, a clone of a 12 yo pet may live less than it's original. But this isn't yet confirmed.
Another reason a clone may live significantly less than the original is that implanting a nucleus in an egg can cause damage to the DNA making it harder for the animal to survive or producing a healthy clone.
Cloning is still being researched and we are far from being able to clone human beings, as the success rate oscillates and the risk of producing damaged clones is high because of many different factors we still have to study thorougly.
Judging by your professional tone and knowledge on the topic, I assume you are familiar with this field of research. Then you shouldn't treat your proposed aging hypothesis as the right one because it's not a proven one yet.
There have been a couple of examples when cattle cloned from somatic cells of relatively old cows have outlived the subtracted life expectancy. The length of the clones' telomeres is also longer than the " originals' " is. Obviously, I don't have a degree in this field... yet. I'm only planning to apply for Bioengineering, so as much as I'd like to say I'm familiar with the process, in fact, I only know the concept. So if you know something about the topic, be sure to leave any links, I will gladly consume every research or paragraph I can find as long as it doesn't lead me into Bill Gates X COVID conspiracies territory lol
@@niyandrey Thank you for your comment. I do not have a degree in bioengineering or anything, I'm just a fanatic and I've read and heard about the telomeres hypothesis before, and was just trying to explain what I had read/saw in various articles and documentaries.
Before writing this comment I did my research not to spread misinformation, but I didn't word it properly.
As you said, we don't know yet how beings age exactly, and the fact that it partially depends on telomeres is in fact, still an hypothesis.
Now, about the cattles, you are right. Some cloned cattles outlived the originals and the length of the telomeres was that of a newborn baby.
My comment is solely based off of the hypothesis that telomeres might regenerate as shorter than a newborn's should be. Even though that doesn't happen in every single case, and the length of telomeres relies on a lot of different factors.
I have modified the comment so to not mislead anyone.
As for the articles, you'd find a lot of good ones on Google Scholar just by typing in the key words! I use it for my university assignments all the time.
I was trying to find some other places where you could find a good article, and just by searching in google and making sure that the source is reliable, you can find some pretty good articles.
You might also find good articles on the NCBI (National Center for Biotechnology Information) site. I found this interesting article I think you might enjoy www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC305328/
Good luck on your bioengineering studies! :)
Wow you ppl are scientific. Respect.
Imagine cloning your pet, naming it the same name, and then playing with it like you’ve started where you left off. Like that feels high key crazy.
I swear rich people are so rich that they don’t know what to do with their money. (besides waste it on dumb stuff)
J J bruh its only the stupid rich people. Actual normal high class people actually do shit bruh
I feel like it’s a great leap for science but like if you want to (basically) revive you’re dog sure I’m fine with it.
@@Peewee-c4b ...like what lmao
petition to eat them and allocate their wealth to us poor ppl
@@yxw6528......
Poor people: Can we please just get universal healthcare?
ViaGen: We have cut the cost of cloning your pet in half from last year
I just wish that people would realize that stopping about of animals is just as important as universal healthcare.
There're two reasons why someone would clone his / her pet dog and in both cases it will most likely bring more harm than good
1. Grief. In our culture we're already so disconnected from death that some people are ready to clone their pets to avoid feeling sad about loosing companion. The coping mechanism is unhealthy by itself but it also won't work. Your cloned puppy will have the same DNA but also will be raised by a different mum, fed with different food, even you, its owner will be a completely different person after all the years you've spent with the original pet. Because of the environmental factors your new dog will be similar to your friend enough for it to hurt but not close enough so you will think it's the same animal
2. Breed. Modern dog breeds already suffer from a plethora of problems caused by limited gene pools and inbreeding so cloning would make the situation even worse
I would also mention the overpopulated animal shelters but I have a feeling that the people who have enough money to think about cloning their pets don't even consider having a mutt
Actually, reputable breeders genetic and health test before they even consider breeding a pair.
@@jillianhernandez the keyword there being "reputable" however it's no secret that not everyone who wants a "purebred" dog is willing to pay big money (sometimes thousands of dollars for high demand breeds). That's why there's so many problems with puppy mills and the like that exploit popular breeds of dogs and definitely don't use genetic testing
@@curlyadventures Of course, I'm aware of the sick people that only use animals for personal gain.
But there are reputable breeders who genetic and health test and plan out a breeding months in advance to get the perfect litter that's been purposefully bred for certain things.
Sorry if I came off as rude before, didn't mean it that way.
I agree with you 1,000%!! You nailed it on the head. This is a big yikes.
I remember seeing an article about a family who cloned their dog and were upset that the clone's personality was not 100% the same as the original dog was, and I think that's something people don't really give enough thought to when considering cloning. You're not getting the exact same animal, because environment, nurture etc. matters. You will get the same set of genes in the same order as the original, but there will always be some differences between a clone and an original.
Would I clone my own dog? No. My dog passed away few years ago, and it was one of the hardest times I've had to live through, and while cloning would never be financially viable option for me, I also feel like that a clone wouldn't be the same. It might look the same and have the same temperament, but it would not have the same memories, experiences and knowledge as the OG did. It wouldn't be my dog, it would be a fresh copy of my dog. I would rather just get a new puppy of the same breed and make new memories with that puppy; the new puppy and a clone would be on the same level anyway. The clone doesn't have memories of the past, or care that I paid 50k to make it real. I could keel over the next day and the clone puppy would be adopted out and live a completely different life, and it wouldn't matter because it wouldn't know any different.
Yo this is giving me flashbacks to this YA novel I loved in 5th grade, called Double Identity. The narrator's parents were older and super protective, she always had outdated toys, etc. Turns out their first child had died in a tragic car accident, so instead of just like.... you know, having another kid.... they made a CLONE and never told their new kid about her "sister" because it was illegal I guess lmao
😳😳😳😳
cloning can be an incredible breakthrough for the recovery of near extinct animals but were... just cloning... pets....?
Cloning machines can only accommodate pets atm.
Yes. Exactly
Exactly!! Why have scientists not utilized this yet? It could bring back so many unique animals
{Waveyrichu} [夢ちい] so we should use this to improve the technology so it can go towards preserving different species,,.. it stresses me out so much that we’re just using this for pets LOL
Ravioli i think a big part of it has to do with the carrying of the embryo (what would carry a species that doesn’t exist any more?) as well as the inability to clone more complicated & endangered animals. it’s not as simple as it sounds. but also please can we work towards that instead of... idk... cloning a dog for a millionaire
at this point, 2020 is so chaotic that i'm starting to think this isn't even real and we're all stuck in a fever dream
this is all just one big lsd trip
2012 was actually the end of the world and whatever this shit is just...uhmm..
Not real.
It’s fine, statistically speaking, we’re already in a simulation anyway
STARTING!?
bruh same everything feels so unreal
My husband and I joke about cloning our dog when he gets to that end life stage but would never actually do that. The fact that they force these surrogate mothers into carrying these clones saddens me. Its like a $50,000 puppy mill. Plus, are these surrogates carrying just 1 clone embryo or multiple? The more I think about it, the angrier I become.
Their frequent use of the word “preservation” just gives me the creeps. Like, it feels like they’re trying to convince people that they can make their dogs almost... *immortal* if they just pay this company thousands of dollars. Like D’Angelo said: if the typical lifespan of your dog’s breed is around 12-15 years, whose to say that you don’t clone your dog AGAIN when the second one dies? Whose to say that your children don’t do the same thing? In that case, does the continuous copying of genes present the possibility of defects? And does it qualify as immortality if the “same” person gets to live over and over again, like some sort of Phoenix Effect?
Idk, this all just seems WILDLY unregulated by the scientific community and by morals in general.
i need to write or read a book about that asap
but yeah i agree it's creepy
@@miovvv thats the plot of the game SOMA
Bro this stinks of eugenics lowkey
"This Doberman has the same, perfect genes as the original!;))"
pls no
Dog breeds are a form of eugenics already, this is basically just that but taken a step further
@@jameshauck9148 but that step forward is a step to not cross like by that point they would try and clone people wouldnt they? and even then its still not good
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 agreed my guy
The dog would look similar but would have a different personality. So similar but not the same. That's a bad way of dealing with grief. 100% agree with D'angelo in that you should always adopt. We don't have kill shelters here in Scotland bet regardless there are far too many innocent souls who need a home.
Twins actually often have similar personality traits
The cloned dog isn’t going to have your original dog’s personality, memories, etc... it isn’t going to love you and do things exactly like your original dog. So what’s the point? I also think it’s hilarious that these people are paying thousands upon thousands of dollars to clone a golden retriever... like not to be rude but most goldens look very similar, it’s not like your dog has a unique coloration or structure that you’re trying to replicate and it won’t act the same so why do it at all??
Yeah, like that wouldn't be the same dog that saved the baby, it would just look like the dog, which doesn't make sense because you're paying a crap load of money for a dog that just looks kinda similar to your dog
ThatSasquatch well, I do agree that cloning is a weird thing to do and I wouldn’t do it, but lots of traits in dogs are genetic and often times so are their behaviors. For instance some dogs are inherently more intelligent then others and some dogs are more hyper or some are calmer or easier to train etc. lots of behaviors in pets are already present upon birth. Another reason that one may clone a dog is to have a good dog for hunting which can for many dogs be a traumatic experience, and although some breeds are better for hunting, there is still a large margin of variability even within those specific breeds. I’m sure there are more reasons but I’m too lazy to do any research on the topic
Nick Rarely comments it’s still not the same dog. When you talk about certain traits that are present at birth, like trainability or hyperactivity, that’s just a general guess at what the dog is gonna be like; it’s not a guarantee. The cloned dog will develop its own habits and behaviors that are different from its predecessor. The mistake you’re making (and the clone dog owners, too) is that the memories or personality of predecessor dog will transfer genetically; that’s not how genetics work. The only transfer is DNA, which will slightly change as clone dog ages
Leon Plié DNA doesn’t change with age and there is a genetic element to certain behaviors in animals, although you are right that the memories and personality of the dog won’t transfer, often times certain personality traits are present at birth, it’s the same for humans, for instance depression and some addictions (like alcoholism and drug dependence) are hereditary. Basically some aspects of any animals personality, while not guaranteed, are heavily affected by their genetics. There is also proof that different sounds are uncomfortable to animals at different levels based on their heredity. For instance some people are more annoyed by the sound of chewing because of genetics, this correlates to my assessment of a dogs comfort around firearms because they may be genetically inclined to be more comfortable around loud bangs. I know it’s not the same dog, but it has the same DNA, so it would inherit all of the traits that it’s predecessor was born with.
The only actual reason I can see someone having is if they had some sort of miraculous, perfect-conformation dog that had no genetic diseases. It may seem cold, but a conformation dog bred from two winners can occasionally also cost thousands, so paying more to make sure you have a known perfect pup can, on rare occasions, be worth it.
The real question is how does d'angelo come up with a new topic to talk about every day when I can't even decide what to eat for breakfast
Bro just eat him smh
@@iyog7992 w a i t . . .
@@iyog7992 wait.. KINky
Easy. The world is so strange that it's easy
@@ojutay8375 LOL
Things you could get if you don’t use that money to clone your dog:
- A therapist
"Honestly none of us have 15,000 dollars so who cares"
Damn, why you gotta read us like that D'Angelo.
Aye, no ... 50k. But then I don't even have 15k, lol
I misread the title as
"People are drowning their dogs"
Same Here
but which is worse
@@yellowcarpet265 shit...
Literally how?
@@colorintherain7920 idk
The saddest thing is how they clone the dogs, it’s truly torture
Really? How do they do it?
Basically they take a female dog cut it open take one of her eggs and fill it with your dogs dna and put it in her egg. After that she she has the babies then they rip the puppy apart just so the people can have a second dog. It’s like a puppy mill but 10 times worst. And the dogs have no say in the matter
@@sav_nanaaa omfg that horrible😭👎. Ty 4 filling me in. I am a big time lover of all animals. I hate hearing about stuff like this..
@@sav_nanaaa I heard they kill whichever puppy doesn't look like the 'original' that much 😭🥺
@@iHeart2min_ that’s terrible!! Some people are don’t have a heart
Forcing a dog to carry a clone sounds like animal abuse...
It actually is! The companies hide the animal abuse from the public and instead prey on emotions the article "Carbon copy cruelty: The ethical concerns with pet cloning" actually states that " Given the unusually high rates of late-term miscarriages and high birth weights among clones, the surrogate mothers are at greater risk of dying or suffering serious complications than animals who become pregnant naturally. The clones, themselves, however, suffer the most serious problems: They are much more likely than other animals to be miscarried, have birth defects, develop serious illnesses, and die prematurely." So not only is the pregnant poor female dog mother at risk of dying or suffering a painful life, but the dog you just cloned could grow sick, have unnatural mutations and die really quickly :>
@@waterlily7075 This is an inhumane thing to do to animals and grieving people. It's solely an option to make money :(
@@ps1hagrid786 ikr it should technically be illegal
Waterlily 707 Cloning is illegal in most countries for those exact reasons. The whole “we wondered if we could, but never stop to ask if we _should.”_
This is really what pushed it over the edge for me. Without really thinking about the logistics I was like “that’s kinda weird, but whatever I guess...” but forcing a dog to carry this clone is disgusting and so sad.
I don’t think it’s morally wrong necessarily, just illogical? It’s not the same dog? It just looks the same, plus they don’t live as long. Viogen shady af though.
But still dude. We cant just play god. Like just leave them alone its natural
Enough dogs get killed because they can’t be homed
I probably won't even get the same breed of my dogs (huskies) just bc it would feel like I was trying to replace them, which could never be done wtf. Also these ppl do know that if they adopt another dog from the same breed would most likely look very close to the original...
This is so confusing. It goes from "aw, cute puppy" to "Full Metal Alchemist dog-fusion" vibes
LMAO, why is this description is so accurate? 🤣
I lost my dog last year, she was 12 years old, literally 3 years younger than me and she's been my best friend for almost my entire life really. She had cancer for a few years, but she had a couple small operations to remove tumours (they were only at the surface). Suddenly in may last year she started breathing abnormally, moving slowly, her gums turned pale and she was lethargic and tired. Up until then she had always been thrilled to go for a walk, and she would slow down as we neared our house on the way back because she wanted to stay outside, but as she was ill she could just slowly totter to the end of the street, and would need to be carried back home. Even seeing my own dog physically unable to be herself was absolutely heartbreaking. She went to the vets overnight for injections to hopefully open her airways, so she would be able to breathe better (although we've never really known the exact cause of her breathing issues), and she died on the early morning of june 1st through essentially suffocation. Hearing that she had died was absolutely _mortifying_, I felt guilty that she had died, I was so shocked that she just didnt exist anymore. For anyone who has never lost a pet, or any close family, you just dont get over them like you might do with a lost toy as a kid. Even now I expect to see her, _my_ dog when I enter rooms and come home, not a dog that looks like her and has her face, a dog who smiles and jumps and sprints with the same excitement as she did. I have a recurring nightmare where she returns, but she is wrong or corrupt, her fur is cold and smells of antiseptic, her skin is hard and her face is moulded into the same way as she lay on the table of the vets. Or she is completely void of all expression, walks mechanically, and responds to no stimuli. I really couldn't imagine how these people must feel to want to clone their dog, just trying to scrap their grief and forget that they ever lost anything, maybe so immersed in the power of technology and cloning that they never stopped to mourn and consider the value and sacredness and loss of the life of their real dog, the original dog. I know that I will always love my dog, and cherish the time and childhood I got to spend with her, and I hope if anyone reads this that they can understand that to mourn for your loss is to respect and cherish them when they were alive. ❤
Wow... this was really profound. I'm 33 and still have dreams about my beloved childhood dogs being alive. There's something comforting about it, but it also feels much like you describe. Often, the dream involves someone noticing that the dog is still around and doing the math on how old it must be. The dog wasn't totally ignored before, just that no one really paid attention to how very, very old it was. Once someone points it out, I realize how fragile the dog is and worry it could die any minute. Everything feels weird. Out of balance. The dog usually acts distant. I've given this some thought before, but your comment helped me see it more clearly. I think it will be helpful to reflect on. I may come up with new insights, or at least come to terms with the recent health decline of my parents' 14 year old dog, who I lived with for several years and love dearly. I appreciate you sharing all this. I'm glad you had many years with your beloved dog. She must have been so happy with you. I know her memories will bring you joy and peace throughout your life, just like my dogs have.
@@whateverlolawants thank you for your kind words ❤ I wish you the best
:( this made my cry. I have a dog, but she’s still young. But i really dont know how i would be able to deal with her death, if just your comment itself and ur description of how it went for you and how it is still going for you, can make me cry already, I have no idea how much pain I’ll have to bare when my dog dies :(
@@lesserafimchangedmylife My dog is 6 and will be around the age where her breed passes away and I'll be 18, and I don't want her to go. But I know I will be able to have her in my heart for the rest of my life and I don't need a cloned version of her to be happy.
Damn I just read all that. It’s lowkey crazy that I read this on June 1, 2020. But yeah cloning the dog isn’t respecting and cherished the original dog. It’s “replacing”
better option (if you really weirdly want an 'identical' dog): FIND A SIMILAR LOOKING PUPPY AT A SHELTER.
That way, you even get a decent overview of its personality, since clones have no guarentee they'll be similar to your original dog in that regard
This is like your wife dying and your way to deal with the loss is going back in time and snatching her and placing her in your timeline.
You can understand the person’s grief, but... it’s not morally right.
Literally Spiderverse in a nutshell.
To be fair it's more like you snatch your wife in the past except that she doesn't even know you. What even is the point with these mfs cloning their pets
Jillian Hernandez you misunderstood kingpins plan
@@knight1706 He wanted his wife and son back so he opened the multiverse to find a universe where they were still alive so he could bring them into his universe...?
I mean, it's pretty much nothing like that. A clone doesn't just manifest into your life as an instant 35-year-old woman, so you'd end up with more like an adoptive daughter that looks almost exactly like your dead wife and you'd raise from when she's a baby.
But into the spider-verse is an amazing movie.
*Ah, yes, we love exploiting people's grief for profit.*
Kayla Rodrigues STONKS
Kayla Rodrigues you know people are choosing to do this right ?
"Am I sure I want to dig up this grave for money? Yes!"
@@ycn_kashfnm9380 Have you ever actually been grief-stricken before? When you're grieving, you do irrational things - and a day, two days after your pet dies you realize "Wait I can get them back!" so you, not in your right mind, do it. It's capitalizing on people's grief. Plain and simple.
I see no probelm with this
I’ve been an animal lover my entire life. My grandmother raised me and she always took care of any stray , injured animal and passed that love on to me. I think this is a horror movie in the making. Each animal has their own “ soul” so this is just crazy. As you stated there are too many pets of all species that need living homes. No need for this at all.
Love you D’Angelo 🖤
Also ... think of all the animals that could benefit from a $50k donation to their shelter !!! I mean , some people have too much $ ! I agree with you and think you should be able to spend on whatever you want but there is a point where it’s just ridiculous when there’s so much poverty in the world. Anyway just my 2 cents.
i'd absolutely love if people would also adopt more human children and the ones that aren't babies anymore
i’d absolutely love if animals and people were just adopted in general
@@genericname8727 I agree!
I feel bad for the dogs that are being impregnated, it feels like abuse. It reminds me of how in the book the giver there were people whos entire job was to get pregnant and the government would kill them after they gave birth three times. (They would also take the babies away in the book).
They didn't kill them though?? They got a job at some warehouse or something like that, as seen in one of the later books following a birth mother.
Casey Rogers I just realised that’s exactly what’s happening
except I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't some sort of breeding farm where they kept a bunch of female dogs there for the sole person of carrying and holding the cline puppies. I personally hate this, cuz i just don't support breeding to this level, and i doubt those dogs are being treated very well
yep
Damn I only watch the movie wait I have read the book but I forgot about that part wowww
i remember when cloning animals was relatively new, in like 2011/2012, and my english class had a discussion on it and read some articles about pet cloning and it’s honestly... heartbreaking. the one i still remember all these years later was about this old couple who owned a farm, and had a very sweet, mild-tempered bull that was well loved by the community and all the kids who would visit. when he died, they and the community were so grief stricken that they paid for a clone of the bull. and the clone was... a very typical bull. aggressive and not friendly. so instead of going through the natural grief process and remembering their beloved pet fondly, they were left with an expensive reminder that their bull could never come back, and not only that, it tainted their memories. i think cloning is fascinating, and definitely has value when it comes to scientific and medical research, but for everyday pet cloning... no. just. no.
It’s not the same dog, at the end of the day, even if they are a clone. Our experiences and memories shape who we are as individuals. Same for dogs.
IKR, talk to any identical twins and you’ll find while they’re still a little similar (as genetics do determine a few things such as political beliefs) they are still very much individuals and anyone who was a friend could easily list off all their differences.
@@chebic5095 wait genetics determine political beliefs? odd, i’m a raging leftist socialist and my parents arent
@@rat5800 typically theyre influenced by the genetics but as everything, its not 100%. also bc upbringing determines it a lot of your beliefs and stuff :)
It would seem extra heartbreaking for the families to have to lose the “same” dog twice. Plus cloning can lead to health problems and the cloned animal typically has a shorter lifespan than that of the original.
It's mostly a myth, cloned animals live almost as long as the "hosts". The fact that Dolly lived longer than her clone is a couple of decades old and dismisses years of research and improvement made in this department. Not that I want to see my pet or relative die as much times as possible, that's just f'ed up, but both cloning and genetic engineering give humanity a guarantee to preserve itself from genetic degradation by inevitable inbreeding problems in the far future. Also, puppies!
This is some dystopian crap that I do not have the energy to deal with ever.
The fact that these people had enough money to clone their dog scares me.
Yes, I day someone will comment on this and they will be the 2-300 or more like, but I am the 100th like
Matthew Dettling jealous much?
ikr all that money could have went to therapy or a charity
@artur zinurov You're the type of ppl to defend famous youtubers because "ThEy'rE ArE jUsT jeAlOus"
@Tofainda no I guess I am type of ppl that can see the obvious. From a video about cloning dogs and ethical issues it brings this dude and ppl like you got is “these people (dramatic pause) have more money than me RRREEEEEE 😰🤢🤮” so yeah y’all are jealous and worry more about money than anything else.
Hot take: Jesus actually wasn't resurrected, he was cloned by God.
It's IraHut! As a Christian, I approve of this hot take
Smiya Coron UNHOLY DEMON STAY AWAY
Nope.
Frog Gamine 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 STOPPPP WE JUST PLAYING
It's IraHut! BAHHAHA
At this point your videos are therapeutic to the point that I listen to you while doing physics
my dog just died at the beginning of this year, and it was sad but no way would I want to clone her. she was nearly 16, which is HELLA old for a Labrador retriever. she was ready to go, and we’re planning to adopt a dog from a shelter when we’re ready for another dog. cloning your dog is just weird
Sorry for your loss. I know it's hard. 💜
Btw, you see that Performance tonight?! 👀👀
Im sorry for ur loss :(( My dog is 16 rn, shes a border collie beagle thing shes rlly goofy but the idea of cloning her is so ??????
it’s weird in a sad way tbh. to people it’s like losing a family member, and obviously they’re gonna want to have their family back.
+ and we cannot really speak for the people who clone dogs since we haven’t lost our dogs ourselves. although im allergic to dogs so i have little experience with them. loss of my cousin’s frenchie hit hard though
the thought of my dead bunny (who i loved very dearly, but died of cancer) being cloned and having like the exact same genes and looking the same but not having the same bonds and life experiences makes my skin crawl. also it just feels like death denial which is like a huge issue with people in general when it comes to dealing with grief
Every time D'Angelo says "honestly, who cares?" it makes me want more of the video. Cause I realize I didn't cared before but now I do. Dammit, D'Angelo.
As someone who’s lost a pet within the past few months, I couldn’t bring myself to do it. As much as I miss my dog and would love to have him back, it won’t really be him. It’s a dog with the exact same genetic make up but none of the memories and it’s not guaranteed it would have the same personality. As much as I feel for the pet owners, it kind of waters down the grieving process knowing you have a “back up” once the original passes.
that’s exactly how I feel about this. it would just feel weird and kinda wrong. also, sorry to hear your doggy passed away, i bet he lived a happy life. (:
Mabel Thomas thank you :) and he sure did! He was 14 years old and such a sweetheart.
It’s feels like one of those times that I would just slowly look away and keep walking and pretend I didn’t see it.
viagen sounds like a supervillain’s business front
I’ve implemented “honestly who cares” into my casual everyday conversations.
Super Lady
Tbh I live by that quote now
In the equine world, this is also an... um...interesting topic. There’s this one very rich competitor with a barn full of clones of his prize winning gelding. Um. Anyway.
"do you know how many dogs need to be ADOPTED" please don't make me cry in the first ten seconds of the video i'm begging you
The dog was named Marley... and they got a clone... of Marley... I can imagine this being the plot for a new movie from the " Marley and me " franchise, and turns into a moral that it won't be the same dog at all and everyone dies.
Interesting...
Oooh but make it a dystopian horror film from the dogs point of view where a little bit of his consciousness survives with every cloning and his lifetimes are painful, they've had to put down clones 5-9 because of the constant whining. The dog lives through the kids getting married. The vets couldn't figure out what was wrong. Viogen insisted he was an exact replica. They add better genes for "health" hoping it helps. Clone 10 is a shell of his former self, trauma stricken and bitter, he just wants to die and becomes this nightmare Cujo dog determined to bring down viogen and his selfish owners he once cherished but now loathes.
@@h.r.9563 Id watch that.
I love my dogs so much but I wouldn’t even clone them if it was feee
“Life is a fickle thing, it’s not meant for meddling”-Globletombus from Little Runmo.
Edit: This feels like a scam. They could just be adopting dogs and giving the most one similar away.
that's what i was thinking. like,, its so easy to take a dog like a Labrador or a Doberman and just find some random puppy from a breeder that looks the same. I'm wondering if a scandal would come out if someone with a dog that's a mutt, with more unique markings and patterns that you couldn't just go and find, were to try getting their pet cloned
rich people need stupid ways to spend their money
It's Beau Yo you can clone animals, its not difficult, but dogs have many neonatal and natal factors that are dangerous to meddle with (which viagen are meddling with, from the sound of their "surrogates you dont meet")
Cat Tricks You are 100% right lol
as someone studying to become a vet nurse, this is lowkey breaking a lot of animal welfare principles
why is your username yxw?
@@chromyl_chloride why is your username foxxtrot
@@gayloser2120 cause if you look at the NATO phonetic alphabet. Charlie Echo and Delta ( Jurassic world ) are on there.. and I really like dinosaurs.. Foxtrot is right after that and I think it sounds cool/it rolls off the tongue.
FoxxTrot fair enough
Gay Loser why is your name Gay Loser? ..lol..
Unpopular opinion: as someone who is depressed, lonely, and only is really able to find companionship in my current situation through my pets, I can honestly understand why someone might do this and I honestly think I would even consider it if I had that kind of money, especially if I was grieving in my already not great mental state.
That being said, the thought that I would even consider it is terrifying to me, as there's a million ethical problems I have with this whole situation and in the end, it really wouldn't help me OR my pets in any way, so what's the point?
I suffer from depression and anxiety and I don't know what I'd do without pets in the house. But I would adopt new ones because they need loving homes and it would make me so happy to know that I saved a life.
It would probably make you feel worse since the pet wouldn’t be the same
My dog's 14
He's called Paddy and he's looked after me since I was younger (just being a chill dude like as dogs are) and he's possibly going to die soon (dark I know) but we're going be just mourning him and remember him
We would never do this because 1) it would *never* be the same dog 2) you can give an adopted dog an amazing home instead of being hung up on your dog dying
Bit dark but my opinion
Awh what a sweet dog
My issue with this is that it'll get to the point where people buying into this will be the same who would be willing to clone dead relatives if it ever got to that point.
Edit: I just want to say thanks for the likes. Also I'm open to a conversation even if we have different opinions but please refrain from name calling or being rude because that contributes nothing to the conversation at hand.
Its absolutely awful but you're right
It’s literally illegal to clone humans. That will never happen.
@@colin2590 I mean a lot of things used to be illegal that is now legal today. It may not be legal in the next few decades but it could eventually happen. We never truly know.
Jay B Wy It will never be legal, I can assure you that. And definitely never dead humans.
Cass M No, the government already sees it as immoral. It will never be legal. You guys are being so over dramatic.
The concept of losing a dog and then cloning it actually makes me want to cry. I dread the day that my dog passes away but it would never be the same dog if I went through with this. I know my dog will be gone someday so I just try to cherish my memories with him now while I can
This is a Jurassic Park scenario just waiting to happen.
Jurassic Bark, if you will.
@@evies.1018 neat'o.
honestly i think it would be really sad to have a clone of my cat. i've had her for 15 years and i can't imagine having a cat that looks exactly like her who doesn't know who i am.
D’Angelo: If I live for like 60 more years and it’s my time yall better not find a way to keep me here. ILL BE READY TO GOOO
Me: Damn
I wouldn't clone my dogs after they pass away... Idk in a way it almost feels disrespectful? Like if you really love them that much then let them have their legacy and respect the time they spent on Earth with you.
I thought the same thing. Its actually the most disrespectful thing Ive ever heard and im angry about it.
I agree, and people have to accept death as a part of life.
I also feel like its really hurtful to the dog. Its like "oh so as long as it looks like me its fine, never mind that you know Its Not Me!" If i were the dog i'd feel like i had just been replaced and that my value had been reduced to nothing more than what i looked like. Idk, i think i explained this very clumsily 😅 (sorry about the grammar)
this is so similar to the book “double identity” I screws with a girls mind that she was a clone of her sister and that she wasn’t supposed to exist. I 100% why this is very much morally wrong for humans but I don’t understand why people think its ok for animals. Its just the same thing but for a different species. Its mind boggling for me.
And sometimes, cloned animals can be born deformed as well. Cloned animals have different personalities. They just have the same genes
The world of the movie "the 6th day" is finally dawning. i've been nervous and scared about that
Y'all ever just like... Clone your dog
I'll clone you
I'll clone you
I’ll clone you
I'll clone you
I'll clone your feet
"viagen is straight up capitalizing on peoples greif over loss" next video is about funeral homes
Haha shots fired.
For real though.
As someone who recently lost their dog, I would NOT clone him if I had the chance. There are already so many dogs in the US alone that need homes. Instead, I think Buster (my dog) would want me to do the same as I did with him. Adopt to literally save a life.
OKAY BUT I LITERALLY READ IT AS "People are cancelling their dogs" SJSJSJSJJS
'OMG, my dog is too much, let's CANCEL HIM' XDXDXDXD
I read the title as “People are drowning their dogs” ... I’m glad that’s not what the video is about
I read it as “People are cheating on their dogs” 😂😂
I read this as "people are clowning there dogs"
I read this as, "some people need glasses".
Honestly if this was targeted at me when I lost my cat of 10yrs , up to six months afterwards , I would've been pulled into this hard and would've done anything to get her back, including cloning. So this is really predatory, I'm just glad I'm in a spot now where I've moved on from that intense grieving.
this feels like a starting of a zombie apocalypses but with animals
i misread the title as "people are clowning their dogs" i was so confused lmao
IT'S NOT YOUR DOG. YOUR DOG IS DEAD. If they can't handle their pet dying, how do they handle friends and relatives dying?
Mrs Chester they clone them, obviously
Bro if people can afford to clone a pet they can surely afford to get therapy to move on, or get like a new dog to love?? Imagine if your parents did this to you, that would be kinda wack
•Minni_Sung • i agree except for the part abt getting a new dog. getting a new dog is similiar as cloning, just less extreme because ultimately youre trying to replace the dead dog n pretend it never happened. they should get therapy and move on BEFORE getting a new dog tho, cuz being a replacement wouldnt be fair to the new dog.
Exactly. Like dude. I know it’s hard, but it’s gonna be more harder if you cling into someone that is already gone.