I respect your choices and your research is better than mine. Knowing that I needed a new mainsail, I sent a request for a quote on a new set of sails for my boat. A little over an hour they had a quote for my particular boat. Very detailed like you said. Am going to make an appointment to talk as I really need a mainsail. A couple that goes by "Learning the Lines" on UA-cam, are also buying their sails from them. Your tech videos are spot on, keep them up.
Precision Sails is a fantastic company. I didn't know anything about sailing when I picked up my project boat (C&C 30 with no main). Ron took me under his wing, gave me great advice, walked me through the forms, and built me a sail with no issues whatsoever. I can't say enough good about them.
Love this video! It really shows how to choose a sailmaker and how easy it is to get the measurements needed to build perfect sails. We are so happy to be working with you on Ruby Rose's new set of sails.
Good choice to work with youtube creators. The first sail maker I would name is located 8000 miles away but can still service me here in the Netherlands. Local guys are way more expensive.
@@Nerd3927 Thank you for your comment. We are using modern technology to bridge the distance between designers and sailors to provide great service and amazing sails.
Good choice Nick. Bobby White of Sailing Doodles had a spinnaker on the boat he took to Thailand for Gulf Charters, swore by it and it looked the business.
Hi N&T, Good video!!! I went with a Cruising laminate 135 Genoa and a Dacron Main ( high density weave) from Island Planet sails in California. I was and am really happy with them. You are absolutely right about the laminates holding their shape!!! And we did push it hard!!! Anyway after 20000 miles the laminate started to delaminate. They cannot be repaired unlike Dacron. We were mid Atlantic and had to roll the sail in to cover the delamination.. slowed us significantly. Today we have 3 Genoa’s a Carbon Fiber laminate 135 % old North Penlam 145% and an old Dacron I picked up used. Now when we go long this old sail is stowed on board as a back up in case we run into problems with our Laminates. Back ups on back ups😏. Real appreciate your efforts and talents!!! If you ever get to Denmark we will host you in the Danish South Seas... no Budweiser we have some great micro brews. We would love to swap stories. Fair winds Mike and Crew Storm Svale Swan 40 by S&S
Goodness.....that was an interesting and fast ten minutes! I thought this seemed a bit familiar.....MJ Sailing also picked Precision Sails for their sails, and they really liked them. I hope everything works out as well for you as it did for them!
So glad to see you and was looking for this Technical Tuesday. Always learning and you are always sharing. Happy trails on your adventures and be safe. Blessings.
Nick I have no idea what you were on about but I see the mustache may return- long live the stache! Terysa please let Nick find his inner pirate again.
Another very useful video. I wish we could have seen you taking all measurements (each step). I understand Teresa has a small stature but she seems to be a strong lady. Enjoy life and stay safe.
It looks so imprecise, but interesting 😳🤪 On My racing Catamaran, we knew the luff ( bolt rope ) foot and leech lengths. 1 inch of mast pre bend sewn into the luff . All had accurate known lengths. Even the rig had specific lengths. You knew when it needed changing. Compare sail and rig measurements to the master measurements. Couldn’t Southerly Yachts give you your leech, luff , foot and mast pre bend measurements ? what a new sail size should be?
Good video guys. I think it could go into a part two answering some questions asked here, for example, cost involved, how many hours your sails typically last, measuring mast rake, to name a few.
Bravo mate on your choice of sails we have replace our sails this year with precision sails not only because of the tec support but we are Canadian and try to buy Canadian whenever we can the products we choose to buy are manufactured anywhere other than China love British products or German Swedish anyways cheers mate great video
I didn’t realize you needed to measure your sails to have them manufactured. Isn’t the sailplane with dimensions part of the factory documentation? There must surely be a spec sheet available which southerly used to have the original sails manufactured?
How did you measure mast rake? especially with boat out of the water? Drop the halyard from the top, letting gravity (i.e. plumb bob) and then do the math?
Great video thank you for making it! I'm pretty sure I've got this wrong some how (as nobody pointed it out in 2 years!) but aren't the boxes labeling the leach and the luff on your sail the wrong way round with it laid out as it is? Thanks again!
Are you doing full battens also consider a new sail track system by STRONG® Sail Track and Slide System ,its smooth and great with full battens I love mine ,even my 7 year old granddaughter can raise the main sheet by herself
Hi Nick, All that follows is my opinion. We just put a set of North Sails on our 38’ sloop and the sails are great them selves. However I would NEVER use NS again. Horrible delivery time. 14 weeks. Ordered in October and delivered in January. Really? They mis-cut the Genoa (wanted high cut) and they delivered full cut. Almost cut my jib halyard off from chaffing. Then they didn’t’ put foot slides on the main sail like my boom requires. NS did fix this promptly however. The salesman didn’t ask me anything about options. He just put together a sail plan and said it will be an amazing amount of money due. We gladly paid it expecting we would get world class service from a prominent sailmaker . NOT I feel as a first time buyer of a set of sails we were taken total advantage of. No questions, not given any options and we were certainly not “schooled” in how and why we should pick a particular sail. I believe you and Theresa have made a sound decision going with Precision. Safe Sailing Gary
Thanks mate. Sorry to hear about your experience. That’s what sold us on Precision sails. They talked to us about exactly what we wanted from sails and what type of sailing we were going to do. They then came back with a quote that was significantly less than another *cough* big sail loft.
I measured my sail and the mast and the sail maker pointed out that there was a difference of 70 cm. I hosted the sail and put some tension on the halyard and there was only 20cm difference.
Great video. I have a question. If your old sail is stretched and you just took your measurements from the old sail. Won’t it be to big? Just asking. Thanks again for the great video
Not an expert here, but the stretch a sail gets is in the body of the sail(the center gets baggy and stretched.) There are lines in the edge of the sail that are made not to stretch much. So the sail gets stretched like a overstuffed trash bag in the center but the edges stay the same. Hope this helps. Peace.✌
Hi Virgel, Nick and Teresa took measurements of both the existing sails and the rig of the boat. We use them both while designing to ensure the sails fit perfectly.
If it's not too rude a question to ask, what sort of cost is involved in replacing sails? What's the lifetime of a new set of sails, assuming a cruising live-abord lifestyle?
I just paid 6,000 usd for a new high quality custom made jib a mainsail and mainsail cover. For a 37 foot cruising boat . My last sails lasted 13 years. I paid 4,000 for those . Yes they were out of shape in the end but were very high quality to start with. I could have paid half this price from a company called lee sails in asia lots of people do they are good basic cruising sails. For half the price. Mail ordered from asia but i wanted to get best quality sails possible I am a lazy sailor so could have just paid 3,000 usd and kept cruising. You just do as was done here. Measure and you send that off and a fewc weeks later a new sail arrives. And you hope you measured right. My sail maker came to the boat and measured and fiddled around so it was on him if not right.
Good Afternoon, the best way to get a budget started is to request a quote from us. We can get you accurate numbers for sails on your boat in 24 hours. Follow the link below and I'll get you a no-obligation quote www.precisionsailloft.com/black-friday-sale-rr/
@@PrecisionSailLoftVictoria thank you, but I don't have a boat yet :( I'm on the brink of having my career ended/walking away from a 30 year career and I'm trying to figure out if I can afford to buy a live-aboard and sustain that life.
Excellent as always. How long does it take on average for a sailmaker to make your sails? Im sure it depends on how many sails you are getting etc. But just roughly from start to sails in hand?
I am also in the process of replacing my Mainsail. I got a quote from Precision sail as well. Which fabric did you go with for the Mainsail? Thanks, Richard
Hi Nick , looks a good option and price is good to , they are calling me later .i has a cross cut in Dacron with Vectron last year to strengthen the Genoa and give longer life but tempted by the radial as it’s uv protected and should stop delamination . Is there a shipping charge on the quote and do you know what HM customs will charge for import to the UK , thank D
You have to pay vat on the quote. So HMRC get their slice. However they still worked out at half the price of another big name. We have heard really good things about them from our friends and they guarantee a new sail if it doesn’t fit right. Have a chat to them about materials. We looked at radials and then found that with their sale prices the laminate sails weren’t significantly more than Dacron. We picked up a full laminate main and jib for under $10,000 USD. I couldn’t get a Dacron set for that from one of the bigger lofts
for me there is no substitute for North 3Di, sure they are racing sails but no laminate to to delaminate and after 5 seasons they are still perfect. More expensive at the start but cheaper in the long run with better performance
Good point. The forms ask for 17 measurements for each sail including the current sails. It stated that although the sails will have stretched, they still require the measurements
Sometimes the luff will shrink and the leech stretch causing all sorts of shape distortion. Sail stretch like Nick describes is usually across the chord resulting in too much depth and on the leech causing lack of pointing
Love watching you guys. And I just love the accent too. But how do decide where the feefs go in the sail or does the sail maker know where to put them? Trying to learn all I can about sailing and hope to have my boat by spring.
Sails are deteriorating not by mile, but by: sun exposure (uv), salts (crystals tearing the fibers), friction (bad trim/sails flapping, bad handling, rough weather). Constantly under tension (streches/remove if not in use) - does not help too... For this reason, I believe, sailing hours or miles covered are bad metrics...
Everything you say (sun exposure, salts, friction and tension) are caused by usage, and usage is measured by sailing hours or miles, so I don't get how you validate your statement. Seems totally correct to me. If you were to sit at a dock and never use or put up your sails, they'd last forever. Just sayin...
Average day sailer, who knows how and cares for his sails, will have multiple times more millage compared to the one who does sea and ocean crossings and unawoidably hits tougher weather. And also we have jerks who manage to furl sails with uv protection strip in wrong side, mainsail left uncovered, incorrectly folded and or compressed sails - you name it. They can literally ruin the sails without a single mile...
@@arturasnx7575 The percentage of people who abuse their sails as you describe is quite small. On my dock alone there is only one boat with his main exposed and no sail cover. Ruby Rose is not that one guy. Their sails have been used for thousands of miles, exposed to the elements and therefor suffer from the damages you stated earlier(sun exposure, salt, friction and tension) Using your logic, if you roll up a sail, put it in a bag and keep it indoors, it'll last forever. True. But that's not what they're made for and that makes no sense. The wear comes from using the sail for it's intended purpose and that is sailing. Tires don't last forever if you drive...
I respect your choices and your research is better than mine. Knowing that I needed a new mainsail, I sent a request for a quote on a new set of sails for my boat. A little over an hour they had a quote for my particular boat. Very detailed like you said. Am going to make an appointment to talk as I really need a mainsail. A couple that goes by "Learning the Lines" on UA-cam, are also buying their sails from them. Your tech videos are spot on, keep them up.
Hi Howard, please reach out when you are ready to discuss new sails for your boat. I look forward to working with you.
Precision Sails is a fantastic company. I didn't know anything about sailing when I picked up my project boat (C&C 30 with no main). Ron took me under his wing, gave me great advice, walked me through the forms, and built me a sail with no issues whatsoever. I can't say enough good about them.
Love this video! It really shows how to choose a sailmaker and how easy it is to get the measurements needed to build perfect sails. We are so happy to be working with you on Ruby Rose's new set of sails.
Precision Sails you have got a good partnership there with RubyRose, hopefully one day soon I’ll need to buy some new sails myself
Good choice to work with youtube creators. The first sail maker I would name is located 8000 miles away but can still service me here in the Netherlands. Local guys are way more expensive.
@@Nerd3927 Thank you for your comment. We are using modern technology to bridge the distance between designers and sailors to provide great service and amazing sails.
I like your how to videos on utube. How to measure ect. Good site for people that are thinking of replacing their sales. Hi from Van :-)
Snoopy thank you. I wish our audio/video quality was half as good as Ruby Rose.
Good choice Nick. Bobby White of Sailing Doodles had a spinnaker on the boat he took to Thailand for Gulf Charters, swore by it and it looked the business.
Glad you liked the Sailing Doodles Spinnaker! The 360 drone footage he shot in Indonesia was amazing!
Hi N&T,
Good video!!! I went with a Cruising laminate 135 Genoa and a Dacron Main ( high density weave) from Island Planet sails in California. I was and am really happy with them. You are absolutely right about the laminates holding their shape!!! And we did push it hard!!! Anyway after 20000 miles the laminate started to delaminate. They cannot be repaired unlike Dacron. We were mid Atlantic and had to roll the sail in to cover the delamination.. slowed us significantly. Today we have 3 Genoa’s a Carbon Fiber laminate 135 % old North Penlam 145% and an old Dacron I picked up used. Now when we go long this old sail is stowed on board as a back up in case we run into problems with our Laminates. Back ups on back ups😏.
Real appreciate your efforts and talents!!! If you ever get to Denmark we will host you in the Danish South Seas... no Budweiser we have some great micro brews. We would love to swap stories.
Fair winds
Mike and Crew
Storm Svale
Swan 40 by S&S
Goodness.....that was an interesting and fast ten minutes! I thought this seemed a bit familiar.....MJ Sailing also picked Precision Sails for their sails, and they really liked them. I hope everything works out as well for you as it did for them!
So glad to see you and was looking for this Technical Tuesday. Always learning and you are always sharing. Happy trails on your adventures and be safe. Blessings.
Nick I have no idea what you were on about but I see the mustache may return- long live the stache! Terysa please let Nick find his inner pirate again.
Yay! Technical Tuesday! Thanks Nick, your timing is excellent as we need new head sails soon for our IP 350.
Another very useful video. I wish we could have seen you taking all measurements (each step). I understand Teresa has a small stature but she seems to be a strong lady. Enjoy life and stay safe.
She’s super strong.
All the measurements needed are on the shots of the forms in the video. There are about 17 measurements per form.
Love Technical Tuesday! Great information. Thank you.
Your production skills have become so advanced that maybe you should offer applicable services to similar parties. Well done, safe travels, etc.,
Thanks mate. High praise indeed.
It looks so imprecise, but interesting 😳🤪
On My racing Catamaran, we knew the luff ( bolt rope ) foot and leech lengths. 1 inch of mast pre bend sewn into the luff . All had accurate known lengths. Even the rig had specific lengths.
You knew when it needed changing. Compare sail and rig measurements to the master measurements.
Couldn’t Southerly Yachts give you your leech, luff , foot and mast pre bend measurements ? what a new sail size should be?
Good video guys. I think it could go into a part two answering some questions asked here, for example, cost involved, how many hours your sails typically last, measuring mast rake, to name a few.
"Excessive heeling" is exactly why my wife wants a catamaran instead of a mono. Good explanation. ⛵️
Thanks, not a sailor but your explanation of why t change out sails was great.
Bravo mate on your choice of sails we have replace our sails this year with precision sails not only because of the tec support but we are Canadian and try to buy Canadian whenever we can the products we choose to buy are manufactured anywhere other than China love British products or German Swedish anyways cheers mate great video
Always learn something new from you guys.....! Thanks for sharing! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😊⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵⛵
important information and very useful
thank you
Interesting
I didn’t realize you needed to measure your sails to have them manufactured. Isn’t the sailplane with dimensions part of the factory documentation? There must surely be a spec sheet available which southerly used to have the original sails manufactured?
Spot on info, nice one 👏
Cheers 🍻🌬⛵️🌏
Sailing Doodles had a set of sails made by Precision Sails and I think they have just done 15000 miles with them. From Mexico to Thailand.
How did you measure mast rake? especially with boat out of the water? Drop the halyard from the top, letting gravity (i.e. plumb bob) and then do the math?
Hey Jeffrey. Did you check out Precision Sails UA-cam channel. You might find the answer you're looking for there. Cheers
Damn, this was just a neat video!
I think MJ sailing used them as well and were really happy.
knew Nick would be a lefty!
Great video thank you for making it! I'm pretty sure I've got this wrong some how (as nobody pointed it out in 2 years!) but aren't the boxes labeling the leach and the luff on your sail the wrong way round with it laid out as it is? Thanks again!
Are you doing full battens also consider a new sail track system by STRONG® Sail Track and Slide System ,its smooth and great with full battens I love mine ,even my 7 year old granddaughter can raise the main sheet by herself
Cptn Uwe's Pirate Tales fully battened makes it much easier too reef three sail as it doesn't flog.
Hi Nick, All that follows is my opinion. We just put a set of North Sails on our 38’ sloop and the sails are great them selves. However I would NEVER use NS again. Horrible delivery time. 14 weeks. Ordered in October and delivered in January. Really?
They mis-cut the Genoa (wanted high cut) and they delivered full cut. Almost cut my jib halyard off from chaffing. Then they didn’t’ put foot slides on the main sail like my boom requires. NS did fix this promptly however.
The salesman didn’t ask me anything about options. He just put together a sail plan and said it will be an amazing amount of money due. We gladly
paid it expecting we would get world class service from a prominent sailmaker . NOT
I feel as a first time buyer of a set of sails we were taken total advantage of. No questions, not given any options and we were certainly not “schooled” in how and why we should pick a particular sail.
I believe you and Theresa have made a sound decision going with Precision.
Safe Sailing
Gary
Thanks mate. Sorry to hear about your experience.
That’s what sold us on Precision sails. They talked to us about exactly what we wanted from sails and what type of sailing we were going to do. They then came back with a quote that was significantly less than another *cough* big sail loft.
I measured my sail and the mast and the sail maker pointed out that there was a difference of 70 cm. I hosted the sail and put some tension on the halyard and there was only 20cm difference.
Well done ... which is your normal!
Great video. I have a question. If your old sail is stretched and you just took your measurements from the old sail. Won’t it be to big? Just asking. Thanks again for the great video
Not an expert here, but the stretch a sail gets is in the body of the sail(the center gets baggy and stretched.) There are lines in the edge of the sail that are made not to stretch much. So the sail gets stretched like a overstuffed trash bag in the center but the edges stay the same. Hope this helps. Peace.✌
Hi Virgel, Nick and Teresa took measurements of both the existing sails and the rig of the boat. We use them both while designing to ensure the sails fit perfectly.
If it's not too rude a question to ask, what sort of cost is involved in replacing sails? What's the lifetime of a new set of sails, assuming a cruising live-abord lifestyle?
I just paid 6,000 usd for a new high quality custom made jib a mainsail and mainsail cover. For a 37 foot cruising boat .
My last sails lasted 13 years. I paid 4,000 for those . Yes they were out of shape in the end but were very high quality to start with.
I could have paid half this price from a company called lee sails in asia lots of people do they are good basic cruising sails. For half the price. Mail ordered from asia but i wanted to get best quality sails possible
I am a lazy sailor so could have just paid 3,000 usd and kept cruising. You just do as was done here. Measure and you send that off and a fewc weeks later a new sail arrives. And you hope you measured right.
My sail maker came to the boat and measured and fiddled around so it was on him if not right.
Good Afternoon, the best way to get a budget started is to request a quote from us. We can get you accurate numbers for sails on your boat in 24 hours. Follow the link below and I'll get you a no-obligation quote www.precisionsailloft.com/black-friday-sale-rr/
@@PrecisionSailLoftVictoria thank you, but I don't have a boat yet :(
I'm on the brink of having my career ended/walking away from a 30 year career and I'm trying to figure out if I can afford to buy a live-aboard and sustain that life.
Very good 😍
Excellent as always. How long does it take on average for a sailmaker to make your sails? Im sure it depends on how many sails you are getting etc. But just roughly from start to sails in hand?
So what are your plans for your old sails?
Carpenters' rule measure, remeasure, confirm a third time then cut, pretty much goes for sail makers also.......
Would the boat manual not have the sail measurements?
How have they held up thank you
plus if your current sail have already "stretched" wouldn't that give an incorrect measurement?
I am also in the process of replacing my Mainsail. I got a quote from Precision sail as well. Which fabric did you go with for the Mainsail? Thanks, Richard
We went with the CTX contender laminate. It’s the best value in the long term.
Nick do u mean CDX contender .?
Exactly that my friend. Stupid autocorrect ;)
Hi Nick , looks a good option and price is good to , they are calling me later .i has a cross cut in Dacron with Vectron last year to strengthen the Genoa and give longer life but tempted by the radial as it’s uv protected and should stop delamination . Is there a shipping charge on the quote and do you know what HM customs will charge for import to the UK , thank D
You have to pay vat on the quote. So HMRC get their slice. However they still worked out at half the price of another big name.
We have heard really good things about them from our friends and they guarantee a new sail if it doesn’t fit right.
Have a chat to them about materials. We looked at radials and then found that with their sale prices the laminate sails weren’t significantly more than Dacron.
We picked up a full laminate main and jib for under $10,000 USD. I couldn’t get a Dacron set for that from one of the bigger lofts
for me there is no substitute for North 3Di, sure they are racing sails but no laminate to to delaminate and after 5 seasons they are still perfect. More expensive at the start but cheaper in the long run with better performance
and as part fo the service, North visits the boat to measure and then again to make sure all fits - best service out there
They are amazing sails, but over twice the cost of what we paid.
maybe a naive question, wouldn't you already know the sail measurements? wouldn't they be with the specs of the boat?
Could you tell us the cost difference between the two sails 10% 50% more ?????
Why measure the sails if you are replacing them because they are stretched?
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Are the new sails similar in construction to the new Distant Shores III sails?
so you have to replace a sail due to stretching, but then you measure a stretched sail? I'm not a sailor but i just didn't understand that bit..
Good point. The forms ask for 17 measurements for each sail including the current sails. It stated that although the sails will have stretched, they still require the measurements
Sometimes the luff will shrink and the leech stretch causing all sorts of shape distortion. Sail stretch like Nick describes is usually across the chord resulting in too much depth and on the leech causing lack of pointing
Do you have a sponsorship relationship with precision?
What will you do with the old sails?
Love watching you guys. And I just love the accent too. But how do decide where the feefs go in the sail or does the sail maker know where to put them? Trying to learn all I can about sailing and hope to have my boat by spring.
Why wouldn't the maker of the boat provide those measurements?
They do. But you need more than the basic measurements. Also with time things move a little.
Sails are deteriorating not by mile, but by: sun exposure (uv), salts (crystals tearing the fibers), friction (bad trim/sails flapping, bad handling, rough weather). Constantly under tension (streches/remove if not in use) - does not help too...
For this reason, I believe, sailing hours or miles covered are bad metrics...
Everything you say (sun exposure, salts, friction and tension) are caused by usage, and usage is measured by sailing hours or miles, so I don't get how you validate your statement. Seems totally correct to me. If you were to sit at a dock and never use or put up your sails, they'd last forever. Just sayin...
Average day sailer, who knows how and cares for his sails, will have multiple times more millage compared to the one who does sea and ocean crossings and unawoidably hits tougher weather. And also we have jerks who manage to furl sails with uv protection strip in wrong side, mainsail left uncovered, incorrectly folded and or compressed sails - you name it. They can literally ruin the sails without a single mile...
@@arturasnx7575 The percentage of people who abuse their sails as you describe is quite small. On my dock alone there is only one boat with his main exposed and no sail cover. Ruby Rose is not that one guy. Their sails have been used for thousands of miles, exposed to the elements and therefor suffer from the damages you stated earlier(sun exposure, salt, friction and tension) Using your logic, if you roll up a sail, put it in a bag and keep it indoors, it'll last forever. True. But that's not what they're made for and that makes no sense. The wear comes from using the sail for it's intended purpose and that is sailing. Tires don't last forever if you drive...
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your videos have very bad german titles... only yours. why is that?
No idea my friend. UA-cam deals with the translations, so I have to blame them. Apologies.
@@sailingrubyrose wow that was quick. thanks for the answer