This is the best review video of the new offset brackets I have seen on youtube. Adding the visual indicators for the CCD's and the lines drawn on the bottom of the heatsink showing what's different was key.
My offset kit also arrived today. I'm using the NH-D15S with two fans and my results are basicly the same, 3-4C° better under load which puts it on par with my Arctic Freezer 280, but at a more pleasant noise level. I also noticed that my main NVME temps went down by 5C°, maybe because the fan now sits more above the heatsink. Overall for 5 bucks it's definitely worth it and both the NH-D15 and NH-15S still fit perfectly without touching the GPU or SSD heatsink on my Asus B650E-I, but the D15S has a little bit more clearance for big SSD coolers.
@@XASMATV. I'm running the 7950x non 3D at 105w eco mode and idle temp as in doing basicly nothing or watching a YT video is 45-50C° at 27-28C° room temp. Even 55C is still normal, Ryzen 7000 spikes up pretty quickly.
If heatpipe placement is the main affecting factor, then an interesting idea would be to turn the heatsink 90 degrees, which should give the CCDs direct contact with more heatpipes than just a mere 7mm vertical shift.
I'm planning to use Thermal Grizzly's contact sealing frame which also is a paste guard, with the offset bars. Should work great. Optimal pressure on the CPU and the perfect position over the CCDs.
Hello. Thanks for testing. Could I ask you how exactly you screwed in the coolers? Specifically the nh-u12a but I assume all similar? Did you screw until the screws stopped or before then? As I am confused by the manual which says to screw gently "until they stop" with a max torque of 0.6 nm. Yet it feels like you're not screwing "gently" unless they just mean "slowly". I also see conflicting comments online of people saying that torque is only "finger tight" but that can't be true at all as mine isn't even finger tight... but I didn't go until the screw stopped. So maybe I didn't tighten enough?
This is very similar to what de8auer released a few years back for AM4... I think his solution was a little over engineered (and thus costly) for that few degrees of temp improvement... I imagine that noctua, whilst coming out with a much simpler product will still be expensive...
I'm excited about the new D15 and the fans, but I would love to see what would happen if you put the newer D15 fans on the OG D15 heatsink. Pls test? 😮
@@ab185The temps are essentially the same for the 7800X3D. At least they have been in my recent testing. *Edit* - I meant that the temps are the same between the regular mount and the offset mount. Idk why I didn't clarify that initially lol
@@Astrothunderkat True, I bought the 280mm Freezer aio, it comes with the offset holes for my Asus AM4 board, I came from a Thermalright Macho Rev C cooler with a 140mm Noctua fan, now my 5800X3D has an improvement of 10C idle, 6C gaming and like 4C under full load, for reference my cpu is idling at 32C as of now, pretty sure the offset holes, aio and new paste are the factors here but that also means sustained boost clock a lot longer. But be careful bc the downside is that my Toxic 360mm GPU (on top as exhaust) gained like 5C bc my new 280mm Freezer is acting as intake on front the case, any advice? Went from 55C gaming to 60C.
You make no sense on the d15 charts the first graph says the 7mm offset is better and cooler and then your second graph says the 0mm offset is better 10.45 in to video... you make no sense please explain bro I was building my pc now iv had to stop becouse of your mistake in charts... which offset is better for the 7800x3d?
I remember Noctua saying that the new offset mounting bars will replace the old ones. Including in already existing coolers (from October this year???) could also be wrong...
Yes- by end of year they say all multi socket coolers will come with the new bars. There’s probably just time that’s needed for old inventory to cycle out.
@TRC_WA If you're touching the thermal limit on occasion, causing throttling, it's 3 degrees cooler... My 7800X3D maxes out @ 80*c fully maxed out with the NH-D15 with stock symmetric brackets, (89*c is it's limit), seeing 77*c max load is worth $5. It takes me from 9*c headroom to 12*c... If you watch any serious heatsink reviews, like Gamers Nexus does where they really test a bunch of coolers against each other, 3*c is a very large difference. The new Gen2 NH-D15 coming out soon is only claimed to improve on the original by the same amount (2-4*c), and that's with a completely redesigned heatsink with new fin pitch, two extra heat pipes, new fans and took 8 years to develop to get those 3*c. So yeah. It's a lot. Again, Gamers Nexus has a great in depth video covering the Ge2 NH-D15 @ Computex 6 months ago, check it out.
This is the best review video of the new offset brackets I have seen on youtube. Adding the visual indicators for the CCD's and the lines drawn on the bottom of the heatsink showing what's different was key.
This is one of your best videos yet. Informative, thorough, concise. Great work
My offset kit also arrived today. I'm using the NH-D15S with two fans and my results are basicly the same, 3-4C° better under load which puts it on par with my Arctic Freezer 280, but at a more pleasant noise level.
I also noticed that my main NVME temps went down by 5C°, maybe because the fan now sits more above the heatsink.
Overall for 5 bucks it's definitely worth it and both the NH-D15 and NH-15S still fit perfectly without touching the GPU or SSD heatsink on my Asus B650E-I, but the D15S has a little bit more clearance for big SSD coolers.
Thanks for the data point! Yes the NVME temps are a good point as well!
just curious, whats your cpu idle temp? im getting 55c-58c with an 7700x and the NH-D15
@@XASMATV. I'm running the 7950x non 3D at 105w eco mode and idle temp as in doing basicly nothing or watching a YT video is 45-50C° at 27-28C° room temp.
Even 55C is still normal, Ryzen 7000 spikes up pretty quickly.
@@kwedl thank you so much! so it seems everything is normal then!
@TRC_WA thank you guys for letting me know!
If heatpipe placement is the main affecting factor, then an interesting idea would be to turn the heatsink 90 degrees, which should give the CCDs direct contact with more heatpipes than just a mere 7mm vertical shift.
Great work my dude, thanks for testing this out!
difference between offset frame and contact frame? which is better and will both work?
I'm planning to use Thermal Grizzly's contact sealing frame which also is a paste guard, with the offset bars. Should work great. Optimal pressure on the CPU and the perfect position over the CCDs.
Maybe I missed something, but the chart at 10:50 showed the 7 mm offset at a higher temperature. Is that backwards?
Any idea what the cause of death is on the gigabyte board? Mine also randomly died while in use and I'm waiting for the rma now
Hello. Thanks for testing. Could I ask you how exactly you screwed in the coolers? Specifically the nh-u12a but I assume all similar? Did you screw until the screws stopped or before then? As I am confused by the manual which says to screw gently "until they stop" with a max torque of 0.6 nm. Yet it feels like you're not screwing "gently" unless they just mean "slowly". I also see conflicting comments online of people saying that torque is only "finger tight" but that can't be true at all as mine isn't even finger tight... but I didn't go until the screw stopped. So maybe I didn't tighten enough?
Bought the new AM5 offset bars.... but there's a new problem. It rotates the heatsink 90 degrees.... so now I can't use both fans. That sucks...
Excellent review! Thank you for all of the information. Wonder if the current NH-D15 boxes will include these? *Currently August 12*
This is very similar to what de8auer released a few years back for AM4... I think his solution was a little over engineered (and thus costly) for that few degrees of temp improvement... I imagine that noctua, whilst coming out with a much simpler product will still be expensive...
Fantastic video!
Soo, with the noctua d15, using the 7mm offset mount for am5. Gets worse performance then the standard 0mm? Its hotter right.
Or are the -7mm and 0mm offsets the other wat around on the test of the d15?
I'm excited about the new D15 and the fans, but I would love to see what would happen if you put the newer D15 fans on the OG D15 heatsink. Pls test? 😮
Compatible with thermalright Axp 120 xx-67? or is 67? Or deepcool an600?
Offset for L12s but on a 7800x3d in the fractal terra
How are your temps?
@@ab185The temps are essentially the same for the 7800X3D. At least they have been in my recent testing.
*Edit* - I meant that the temps are the same between the regular mount and the offset mount. Idk why I didn't clarify that initially lol
Review Gigabytes a620 itx motherboard. Please
Wouldn't these work with AM4 as well? As far as I know the only difference is the height of the CPU
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arctic includes 7mm offset and says it benefits 3k and 5k ryzen
Noctua says it's less than 1°C difference.
@TolaGarf yes these also work on AM4, but Noctua says they aren't as effective as on AM5
@@Astrothunderkat True, I bought the 280mm Freezer aio, it comes with the offset holes for my Asus AM4 board, I came from a Thermalright Macho Rev C cooler with a 140mm Noctua fan, now my 5800X3D has an improvement of 10C idle, 6C gaming and like 4C under full load, for reference my cpu is idling at 32C as of now, pretty sure the offset holes, aio and new paste are the factors here but that also means sustained boost clock a lot longer.
But be careful bc the downside is that my Toxic 360mm GPU (on top as exhaust) gained like 5C bc my new 280mm Freezer is acting as intake on front the case, any advice? Went from 55C gaming to 60C.
You make no sense on the d15 charts the first graph says the 7mm offset is better and cooler and then your second graph says the 0mm offset is better 10.45 in to video... you make no sense please explain bro I was building my pc now iv had to stop becouse of your mistake in charts... which offset is better for the 7800x3d?
Does this work with am4 as well?
Yes, it will. I haven't tested it yet but Noctua claims a minimal difference in temps. It would be useful for positioning though.
I have a D12L, guess I won’t bother :)
I don't understand why AMD hasn't put the CCDs in the middle where the I/O die sits
Probably because all the external pins are fed from the I/O die and it makes routing to them easier.
Offset mounting may benefit AIO coolers more
I think that this kind of offset will work with a cooler that has a little smaller cold plate.
$5 extra for the D15 Rev.2 might be worth it. You're already spending over $100 for an aircooler, what's another $5.
Might? Is*
I remember Noctua saying that the new offset mounting bars will replace the old ones. Including in already existing coolers (from October this year???) could also be wrong...
@@tthbeige3332 That will be good news. I'm planning on getting the D15 Rev.2 for my next system.
Yes- by end of year they say all multi socket coolers will come with the new bars. There’s probably just time that’s needed for old inventory to cycle out.
I love Noctua, but here... the difference is really not significant enough to justify the purchase...
7cm, yes
7mm, maybe
so the conclusion is that offset doesn't work?
Watch the video, it dropped temps on the NH-D15 by the 3 degrees Noctua said it may.
@@jamesg8246 There is a mistake at 10:50 - chart is the other way around. I assume that is what confused him, as it did me at first.
Title is gonna get some jokes for sure.😂 great work otherwise.
You don't get quality products like this from crappy companies like Corsair, BeQuiet, and UpHere.
BeQuiet crappy? Have to disagree on that one. They are pretty much in line with Noctua in terms of quality products.
beQuiet!
They still have one of the best PSU's and quality fans out there
0.7C is not worth it
U12A = .7
D12L = 0
D15 = 2.8
$4.90 for the bracket, interesting option for possible reduction in temps. Possibly with other components as well (NVME)
Ah yes 1 cooler accounts for all of coolers. Great logic.
@TravisPNW I agree my friend
@TRC_WA If you're touching the thermal limit on occasion, causing throttling, it's 3 degrees cooler... My 7800X3D maxes out @ 80*c fully maxed out with the NH-D15 with stock symmetric brackets, (89*c is it's limit), seeing 77*c max load is worth $5. It takes me from 9*c headroom to 12*c... If you watch any serious heatsink reviews, like Gamers Nexus does where they really test a bunch of coolers against each other, 3*c is a very large difference. The new Gen2 NH-D15 coming out soon is only claimed to improve on the original by the same amount (2-4*c), and that's with a completely redesigned heatsink with new fin pitch, two extra heat pipes, new fans and took 8 years to develop to get those 3*c. So yeah. It's a lot. Again, Gamers Nexus has a great in depth video covering the Ge2 NH-D15 @ Computex 6 months ago, check it out.
@@ZioComposite I wonder how mucha change the D14 would get. and worry about the ssd and gpu getting hotter with the offset.