Jon's thought "giants in Old Nan’s tales, those huge savage creatures who mixed blood into their morning porridge". Blood porridge evokes Jojen paste and human sacrifice. Also about trees, springs and stones (there are plenty of stones described as black by GRRM in important lines) reminds me of post I read somewhere about symbolism of green, blue and black color combination, Patchface's bubbles line among others.
How did I miss this! Excellent observation! That’s a great potential clue at these giant ancient men as being greenseers! Comment pinned! Also a great catch about the colouring of patchface, I’ll be bringing this exact same thing in my next video as it’s said the colour of the drowned god is green, blue and grey, which aligns perfectly with Forrest (green) stream (water) and stone (grey) I think these are all connected as the religion of the old gods and the religion of the drowned god are actually just worshiping the same god or gods of death Excellent comment! Thanks for supporting the channel!
And the giants that we know of beyond the wall are vegetarian, which also doesn’t align with old nans version of giants, this is an excellent point that I wish I had put in now lol
@@eldric.stoneskin Thanks! Only remembered because you gave us innovative framework to think about things. I think you are right about Drowned God. Check out the rest of the Jon's line (ADWD Jon VII) something might be of use to you.
@@eldric.stoneskin the faith of the seven worships also a good of death. The stranger. And we are told that the seven is only one good. The seven who are one.
Also Edward's three oldest "Sons" are his son Robb named after his friend and near brother in Law both end up being sort of sacrificial green kings. Jon a Targ a secret fire who swears an oath to nine weirwoods and his third, a ward, Theon Greyjoy.
Great theory, really well put together! 👍 I’ve often toyed around with the idea that the stone kings of Winter in the Crypts are meant to be resurrected but never really figured out how this might work. Here’s a thought on Lyanna’s presence in the crypts: The Stark kings and lords seem to form an unbroken line of lineage. Even those who perished far from home receive statues. Perhaps the horn-blower or person to lead the resurrected Starks must be a direct descendant of the last ancestors put to rest in the crypts, usually sons. Ned has a statue, but his main heir is dead and his other children are not likely to join the kings anytime soon, neither is it likely that any of them will be hornblowers. Recall also how Theon prevented the miller’s boys from being buried in the crypts. This would have completely messed things up. Jon is thus the only available immediate offspring of those in the crypts. Perhaps it’s not a matter of being a king or lord, rather that the lineage remains unbroken, which would fit in with there always being a Stark in Winterfell. Jon is Lyanna’s son. We expect him to retake Winterfell and he is the one most likely to lead the stone army in the battle for the dawn.
Thanks very much! I think your right about the unbroken line from the first Stark to the last, and I think there’s two options Jon as you’ve said with some great points, and the other possibility is Bran, and the reason is because we actually see him go back and taste the blood of the first Stark, suggesting a connection, perhaps this first Stark is the three eyed crow, and now lives in bran, maybe to return to his original stone body in Winterfell, I’m going to go into this a bit more in part 6 but I think this is why it’s so crucial for Ned’s bones to be returned, so this link can work, it’s a bit more speculative than my other videos but should be a bit of fun Thanks for watching!
Honestly, I'm loving this series. Absolutely fascinating. It has me rethinking some things I've started to take for granite (intentional pun). My theory for the first Long Night Hero/proto Stark was Brandon of the Bloody Blade who turned the one Blue Lake Red. I believe he was Bran the Builder's father (and the Lady of that bloody lake was his mother). But that is just the theory I've heard and like from other videos over the years.
I tend to agree with this as well, and I think this makes him Azor ahai too, sacrficing a nissa nissa character, and most likely having a firey sword by implication of the blade being bloody
Another King Beneath the Mountain trope example would be The First Chinese Emperor (I think) and his Terracotta Army. The difference is that we have actually FOUND the Terracotta Army. An army of Stone-ish Warriors
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Something that keeps popping into my head when watching this series is the one person who never was a lord or meant to be lord of Winterfell who is in the crypts. "Promise me Ned... Promise me"
I always thought Lyanna's death should be questioned more. It's written to heavily imply she died in childbirth but the character we learn this through is Ned, whose entire purpose was to trick us into thinking he was the Aragorn of the story. Always thought GRRM wanted us to think she died in childbirth but something else was going on.
@@robrick9361are you suggesting Ned killed Lyanna as she was a traitor (flashback to GoT chpt 1)??! Order of the Greenhand took a very close look at the Rebellion timeline (ignore for a minute that theyre try to prove N+A=J) and pretty conclusively show that Ned can't have gotten to ToJ while Lyanna was still literally in the birthing bed.
@@alexmoes3225 that order of the greenhand video is plays crazy loose with the known facts of the rebellion. I couldn't finish it because how crazy they got with it.
Another Stone King inside a sleeping giant: Tormund sleeping inside the Giant during the snow storm! Had this thought since your first video: could Winterfell itself be Bran the Builder? Perhaps all of the great castles he built are sleeping giants? Really love this whole series. Greyscale Starks have been my head canon for a long time. Would love to hear your thoughts about the Rhoynish using Greyscale against the Valyrians and if you think it may extend into the current story (I have a theory video out about Daemon and the Crabfeeder on my channel - would love to chat Greyscale theory with you sometime!)
Absolutely, yeah that’s a great point, I’ll have to reread that chapter, he did survive a symbolic winter by being inside a giant, and I feel like Bran, or the three eyed crow might be inside these stone giants controlling them when the time comes so they can survive winter, so that does make a lot of sense As for the rhoynish and the water associations I’ll be discussing this next video, keen to chat over discord if you’d like?
Excellent point! I hadn’t thought of that, he’s also a “hound” and was a protector of both stark girls, and will definitely “rise again”, well done, I’ll have to look into that further 👏
@@eldric.stoneskin also, if Sansa and Sandor are an item in the future, it would also be a grey eye men with a Tully by blood mermaid (part fish half little bird as the the mermaids from the middle east). Plus, the Durrandon king also married a daughter of the sea, and they are tied to the the Baratheons. This too makes me wonder about the Strong house that has the same traits from the first men, and the can by their name be a Stark proxy in the Riverlands, and Harrenhal is thought as a stone hand grasping for the sky by Jamie Lannister
@@eldric.stoneskin that makes a lot of sense, i was recently thinking about how weird it is that a stark offshoot house was called the greystarks, and was wondering if they became the greyjoys
Do you think it's possible that Azor Ahai and/or the Last Hero could be buried in the depths of Winterfell? Could the "rebirth" be when the stone giants rise again? And then maybe Jon/Dany/Ser Pounce are just red herrings. Love the videos! Keep it up!
I think so yeah, but I don’t think Jon and Dany are red herrings, I think “the dragon has three heads” could mean three weapons against the others 1 - Dany and her Dragons 2 - Jon and his Nights Watch 3 - Bran and the Stone Giants
Love this series it's brilliant some of the Freshest ASoIaF content anywhere... quick question tho.. have you any reason as to Why the CotF would help the first men seeing as they were being slaughtered by them prior to the "pact"?
I think they found a common enemy in the others, as to why I think Azor Ahai essentially “stole” a female other, similar to the way Rhaegar “stole” Lyanna, and this caused conflict between the first men and the others, I’ll be working on this theory in my next series
Owain Glyn Dŵr was a Welsh prince who specialized in guerilla tactics and fought the English in an attempt to free his people under the Rule of The English king Richard II. Apparently he disappeared and it spawned a legend that he would rise up again when Wales needed him most. Sure his grave seems to have been found, but a good sleeping hero legend is still worth a mention.
Absolutely, it’s a fascinating trope that I’m sure George is drawing on for the kings of winter, otherwise I’m not sure why we see so much heavy foreshadowing of them returning to life
What role do you think Bran will play in all this?! Maybe he will be the one who wakes the Stone Kings. He always seemed to have a special connection with the crypts and was super pissed when Rickon took the Big and Little Walder Freys down there shouting: _"That is a Stark place!"_
Yeah I think your spot on, I think Bran wakes the stone giants potentially skin changing them to fight the Others while he sits in the gods wood, hence why he essentially did nothing in the HBO season 8 show, and I think some the foreshadowing for this is him skinchanging Hodor, this is basically what part 6 is all about, excellent comment!
Thanks and great work. I need to listen to it a few more times. There's a few ideas in here trying to drag me in different directions. However, do you have an interpretation for the splitting of the Umbers? Why Green boys and Greybeards? Hothor is leading the old men and Mors the Green boys. The Greybeards in Winterfell while the Greenboys join Stannis. It's kinda giving me Giants and CotF vibes. Do you think there's a connection to be made between Theon and the little man in Old Nan's story? Theon escapes Winterfell to find himself being taken into the Blizzard and becomes a prisoner of Stannis.
To be perfectly honest I’m not sure at this stage, I’ll have to look into it, in part 6 I’ll be discussing Bran potentially skinchanging these stone giants in the same way he does with hodor, so my first thought is that we see green boys (bran a greenseer) and greybeards (the ancient Starks) associated with Mors umber, a one eyed symbolic giant who happens to be blowing his horn outside Winterfell but I’ll have to think on this
I remember years ago hearing about Fionn Mac Cumhaill, looked on Google Earth at the Hill of Allen which was supposed to be his seat and I was sad to see the whole hill was quarried, just a big hole. It made me wonder what they found while digging or pretended not to find.
...If the descriptions of Gregor Clegane are meant to provide parallels to the stone army that is to rise and fight the others, that makes me /incredibly/ concerned about what the actual behaviour of the stone warriors is going to be. Gregor Clegane is among the most brutal and sadistic characters in ASOIAF, one who gleefully uses his strength and status as a means to hurt, torment and kill those weaker than himself, and HE'S our symbolically representative character for the invulnerable stone army?
You’ve picked up on something I’ll be bringing up at the end of this series, I don’t think this hero was a hero at all, he may have ended the long night but I think he caused it as well, Euron also shows us Azor ahai symbolism and certainly isn’t much of a hero to put it lightly lol
Little bit of an addition to the german „kings beneath a mountain“. They are called „Friedenskaiser“ or „Peace Emperor“, who when they rise again extend the holy roman empire to span the whole world, convert the heretics to christiandom and when that is done the end of the world (christian apocalypse and rise of the antichrist) begins. Furthermore the Barbarossa Kyffhäuser myth particularly reminds me of figures like Bloodraven as Barbarossa is said to be grown intertwined with his marble desk, has the ravens obviously and last but not least has dwarfs that scout for him wether the ravens are yet gone.
I have seen here and there that Robert Strong's head may be the head of Rob Stark but I haven't seen any evidence of this other than the names. However I think that Rob's head would be the perfect head for a Frankenstein like undead. Rob was a (untrained) Warg, when his body died his consciousness went into Gray Wind and then died the true death when Grey Wind was killed. Robs head was empty with no mind or memories to contaminate the zombie. It would make the perfect undead servant with no memories from its past life so it would be a blank slate ready to take directions from its master, or rather maester. And yes wights keep their memories, at least enough of them to be useful. Othor remembered where Lord Commander Mormont slept, Beric kept most of his memories (losing more every time he was raised), Lady Stoneheart remembers who betrayed her son.
Hmmm... I cant quite wrap my head around it but something about this video makes me think more of the black stone. The odd shaped black stone with odd properties. I can't put my thoughts into your theory at the moment because, well, "nanomachines, son." There is too much of a gap between what the black stone could be in a sci fi setting to what the black stone could be in a high fantasy setting.
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To be honest I’m not entirely sure, it’s a part that I haven’t quite figured out, but it does remind me of the “great winged snake whose roar was a river of flame” Bran witnesses escaping from Winterfell, a place we see a lot of foreshadowing for giant stone beings to wake from And with all the suggestions throughout the books that dragons are said to be under Winterfell, the idea that a part of the prophecy is to wake the stone dragon, Winterfells even compared to Dragonstone which shows us waking stone dragons too, and we even see the gargoyles at Winterfell possibly representing dragons with their wings come to life as well Pure speculation though to be honest but I wonder if there is a stone dragon down in the crypts align side Azor ahai as well
@@eldric.stoneskin Agreed. I wondered whether it may be a figurative reference to Jon as both a stone king of winter and a dragon (Targ). I also am mystified by Bran’s vision as Summer over Winterfell. Initial assumption is that it had to be a Dragon (maybe Cannibal attracted by all the death there - but the timeline is off - Cannibal would be like 270, and even Balearion only lived to around 200 - although it’s possible as he was “wild”). I also wonder whether it’s Summer’s perspective of the Comet; being described in “wolf language”? Keep up the amazing work. Groundbreaking original theory crafting at its finest my friend. 🙌
I hope the actual horn of winter had actually been something more like a war carnyx with the terrifying heads instead of the simple hollowed out bone horn they went with. Bone horns always sounded like warnings to me where as a carnyx sounds more like a terrifying but melodic call to war. If you don't believe me compare videos of each and see if your mind doesn't change too.
@@eldric.stoneskin I know and think of how much better that would sound and look visually in any future reboots. Especially since westeros is based on the UK and at least to me wildlings sound like pre roman occupation celts. Heck the northerners are pretty much just post fall of Rome era England around the time the Vikings integrated into society.
So I was sitting making different medieval and Renaissance patterns for an English queen clothing exhibit and something crossed my mind. William the Conquer =Aegon the Conquer William the Second = Aenys( both kinda useless ) Jaeherys and Allisaine= Henry the II and Eleanor of Aquitaine ( except instead of separations he imprisoned her but she fought for her kids rights and both kings lost the heirs they had groomed to replace them gruesomely) Viserys= Richard the Lionheart ( in the sense they we're loved but not really in touch with the country they ruled) John Lackland= Daemon ( both actually did quite a bit for the country but the realm still hated them) Richard the 3rd = Aenys II ( both were paranoid callous murders) Robert Baratheon= his early reign resembles Henry VII in the winning a war , marrying a woman who family wasn't his alley until he was sure to win and becoming king because of a loose connection to the throne. His reign is actually similar to Henry the 8th with lots of women , tons of marital problems, put the country in a precarious position and died old drunk and fat.) Had a couple of heirs follow them that either weren't old enough to actually rule and had bad counselors or just mucked it up further. Then Elizabeth ascended the throne to bring in a golden era but with no heirs of her own her distant relative ascended after from cold War torn Scotland who just lost its own ruling family and was referred to as her beloved nephew. Kind of lines up with how daenerys and Jon may end up colliding. Either its food for thought or my history riddled mind has been listening to way to many ASOIAF theory videos. If it makes sense feel free to use it with my blessing.
i@@eldric.stoneskin it was very old Romanian folk tale that persisted up until the 1970's - that Vlad would rise again and save them. When a certain English actor was visiting the area to do a movie shooting, a very old peasant woman thought that he (because he looked like the the Ambras painting of Vlad) was Vlad come back to save her land from the hated Ceaușescu regime (at the time Cenusecu was not that good of a leader and was oppressing the Romanian people).
Jon's thought "giants in Old Nan’s tales, those huge savage creatures who mixed blood into their morning porridge". Blood porridge evokes Jojen paste and human sacrifice. Also about trees, springs and stones (there are plenty of stones described as black by GRRM in important lines) reminds me of post I read somewhere about symbolism of green, blue and black color combination, Patchface's bubbles line among others.
How did I miss this! Excellent observation! That’s a great potential clue at these giant ancient men as being greenseers! Comment pinned!
Also a great catch about the colouring of patchface, I’ll be bringing this exact same thing in my next video as it’s said the colour of the drowned god is green, blue and grey, which aligns perfectly with Forrest (green) stream (water) and stone (grey)
I think these are all connected as the religion of the old gods and the religion of the drowned god are actually just worshiping the same god or gods of death
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And the giants that we know of beyond the wall are vegetarian, which also doesn’t align with old nans version of giants, this is an excellent point that I wish I had put in now lol
@@eldric.stoneskin Thanks! Only remembered because you gave us innovative framework to think about things. I think you are right about Drowned God. Check out the rest of the Jon's line (ADWD Jon VII) something might be of use to you.
@@eldric.stoneskin the faith of the seven worships also a good of death. The stranger. And we are told that the seven is only one good. The seven who are one.
Also Edward's three oldest "Sons" are his son Robb named after his friend and near brother in Law both end up being sort of sacrificial green kings. Jon a Targ a secret fire who swears an oath to nine weirwoods and his third, a ward, Theon Greyjoy.
Bro appeared out of nowhere and dropped the most fire theory in history
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I was thinking the same!
Great theory, really well put together! 👍 I’ve often toyed around with the idea that the stone kings of Winter in the Crypts are meant to be resurrected but never really figured out how this might work.
Here’s a thought on Lyanna’s presence in the crypts: The Stark kings and lords seem to form an unbroken line of lineage. Even those who perished far from home receive statues. Perhaps the horn-blower or person to lead the resurrected Starks must be a direct descendant of the last ancestors put to rest in the crypts, usually sons. Ned has a statue, but his main heir is dead and his other children are not likely to join the kings anytime soon, neither is it likely that any of them will be hornblowers. Recall also how Theon prevented the miller’s boys from being buried in the crypts. This would have completely messed things up. Jon is thus the only available immediate offspring of those in the crypts. Perhaps it’s not a matter of being a king or lord, rather that the lineage remains unbroken, which would fit in with there always being a Stark in Winterfell. Jon is Lyanna’s son. We expect him to retake Winterfell and he is the one most likely to lead the stone army in the battle for the dawn.
Thanks very much! I think your right about the unbroken line from the first Stark to the last, and I think there’s two options Jon as you’ve said with some great points, and the other possibility is Bran, and the reason is because we actually see him go back and taste the blood of the first Stark, suggesting a connection, perhaps this first Stark is the three eyed crow, and now lives in bran, maybe to return to his original stone body in Winterfell, I’m going to go into this a bit more in part 6 but I think this is why it’s so crucial for Ned’s bones to be returned, so this link can work, it’s a bit more speculative than my other videos but should be a bit of fun
Thanks for watching!
That marble king who’s hidden behind a blocked up wall who wakes up with a bright star in the sky blew my mind dude…. Excellent video!
It blew my mind too!
Mine, too!! Great stuff!
Honestly, I'm loving this series. Absolutely fascinating. It has me rethinking some things I've started to take for granite (intentional pun). My theory for the first Long Night Hero/proto Stark was Brandon of the Bloody Blade who turned the one Blue Lake Red. I believe he was Bran the Builder's father (and the Lady of that bloody lake was his mother). But that is just the theory I've heard and like from other videos over the years.
I tend to agree with this as well, and I think this makes him Azor ahai too, sacrficing a nissa nissa character, and most likely having a firey sword by implication of the blade being bloody
gregor clegane is also called the MOUNTAIN, i never considered how much stone symbolism he has. great videos, keep up the good work!
Yes exactly right, well done! Thanks very much
He also have a fist on his helmet, which looks stupid, but really fits to the theory.
Another King Beneath the Mountain trope example would be The First Chinese Emperor (I think) and his Terracotta Army. The difference is that we have actually FOUND the Terracotta Army. An army of Stone-ish Warriors
Yeah exactly right, I brought the terracotta warriors up briefly in my first video but should have brought them up in this video too I think
@@eldric.stoneskin oh right, I forgot about that. Whoops. You are rather thorough
No your right tho, was definitely relevant in this video too
This could work in so many ways, I love the original take.
Cheers 🍻
I can not stop thinking about how "Fist of the First Men" is a fantastic name for a product in a asoiaf themed sex toy series
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Or the fat pink mast 🤣
I'm surprised you didn't include The Arm of Dorne. There's definitely a crowd for it.
Something that keeps popping into my head when watching this series is the one person who never was a lord or meant to be lord of Winterfell who is in the crypts. "Promise me Ned... Promise me"
I always thought Lyanna's death should be questioned more.
It's written to heavily imply she died in childbirth but the character we learn this through is Ned, whose entire purpose was to trick us into thinking he was the Aragorn of the story.
Always thought GRRM wanted us to think she died in childbirth but something else was going on.
Funny you should mention that, my next series is going to be on the stone women in the series!
@@eldric.stoneskin looking forward to it man keep up the good work
@@robrick9361are you suggesting Ned killed Lyanna as she was a traitor (flashback to GoT chpt 1)??!
Order of the Greenhand took a very close look at the Rebellion timeline (ignore for a minute that theyre try to prove N+A=J) and pretty conclusively show that Ned can't have gotten to ToJ while Lyanna was still literally in the birthing bed.
@@alexmoes3225 that order of the greenhand video is plays crazy loose with the known facts of the rebellion. I couldn't finish it because how crazy they got with it.
Dude you are my favourite new youtuber, you honestly make some of the best asoiaf videos. Please keep them coming! You always have my support.
Thanks very much! Really appreciate that!
Another Stone King inside a sleeping giant: Tormund sleeping inside the Giant during the snow storm!
Had this thought since your first video: could Winterfell itself be Bran the Builder? Perhaps all of the great castles he built are sleeping giants?
Really love this whole series. Greyscale Starks have been my head canon for a long time. Would love to hear your thoughts about the Rhoynish using Greyscale against the Valyrians and if you think it may extend into the current story
(I have a theory video out about Daemon and the Crabfeeder on my channel - would love to chat Greyscale theory with you sometime!)
Absolutely, yeah that’s a great point, I’ll have to reread that chapter, he did survive a symbolic winter by being inside a giant, and I feel like Bran, or the three eyed crow might be inside these stone giants controlling them when the time comes so they can survive winter, so that does make a lot of sense
As for the rhoynish and the water associations I’ll be discussing this next video, keen to chat over discord if you’d like?
Sandor Clegane is at Quite Isle, an Avalon proxy, and is "at rest", or waiting to appear again.
Excellent point! I hadn’t thought of that, he’s also a “hound” and was a protector of both stark girls, and will definitely “rise again”, well done, I’ll have to look into that further 👏
@@eldric.stoneskin also, if Sansa and Sandor are an item in the future, it would also be a grey eye men with a Tully by blood mermaid (part fish half little bird as the the mermaids from the middle east). Plus, the Durrandon king also married a daughter of the sea, and they are tied to the the Baratheons. This too makes me wonder about the Strong house that has the same traits from the first men, and the can by their name be a Stark proxy in the Riverlands, and Harrenhal is thought as a stone hand grasping for the sky by Jamie Lannister
@@SSolemn more great points, I’ll actually be bringing up Harrenhal in part 6, the hand reaching for the sky is a great one
This is so good dude, best horn of winter theory I've heard, legit
Thanks very much!
i’ve loved the whole series man! exited for more videos
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Love this theory, just wish George would finish the books so we could find out if it's correct.
He’ll get there! I can see now why he’s struggling, there’s so many layers to it
Great analysis, production, and sound. More videos please
More to come!
okay the next episode is about the grey king of the ironborn and possibly crossing over with the disputed lands theory
cant wait for your spin!
Exactly right! There’s far too many parallels between the Starks and the ironborn for it to be coincidence hey
@@eldric.stoneskin that makes a lot of sense, i was recently thinking about how weird it is that a stark offshoot house was called the greystarks, and was wondering if they became the greyjoys
Yeah exactly, we even have a Greyjoy living in Winterfell as a pseudo Stark at the start of the books
New upload?! Aw hell yeah!!!
Do you think it's possible that Azor Ahai and/or the Last Hero could be buried in the depths of Winterfell? Could the "rebirth" be when the stone giants rise again? And then maybe Jon/Dany/Ser Pounce are just red herrings. Love the videos! Keep it up!
I think so yeah, but I don’t think Jon and Dany are red herrings, I think “the dragon has three heads” could mean three weapons against the others
1 - Dany and her Dragons
2 - Jon and his Nights Watch
3 - Bran and the Stone Giants
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Life got busy (Holliday time in my area), so I haven't been able to watch this one yet. I am so excited
Love this series it's brilliant some of the Freshest ASoIaF content anywhere... quick question tho.. have you any reason as to Why the CotF would help the first men seeing as they were being slaughtered by them prior to the "pact"?
I think they found a common enemy in the others, as to why I think Azor Ahai essentially “stole” a female other, similar to the way Rhaegar “stole” Lyanna, and this caused conflict between the first men and the others, I’ll be working on this theory in my next series
Eldric is putting ASOIAF on his back and RUNNING
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I realized I need to finish the books first, then watch your research! I'm in the end of the second one 😭
It’s a great series, if your looking for an audiobook version of the series, the UA-cam channel DavidreadsASoIaF does an amazing job!
Excellent. Been waiting for this!
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@@eldric.stoneskinyeah mate, absolutely. Loving the theory you've got, and your research is amazing as usual.
Loving this theory series! Thank you so so much ❤
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I love this theory so much. I wish the best for your channel! Your research and presentation are really amazing.
Thank you so much!
Another amazing video my man can't wait for part 5
Glad you enjoyed it!
Owain Glyn Dŵr was a Welsh prince who specialized in guerilla tactics and fought the English in an attempt to free his people under the Rule of The English king Richard II.
Apparently he disappeared and it spawned a legend that he would rise up again when Wales needed him most.
Sure his grave seems to have been found, but a good sleeping hero legend is still worth a mention.
Absolutely, it’s a fascinating trope that I’m sure George is drawing on for the kings of winter, otherwise I’m not sure why we see so much heavy foreshadowing of them returning to life
What role do you think Bran will play in all this?!
Maybe he will be the one who wakes the Stone Kings.
He always seemed to have a special connection with the crypts and was super pissed when Rickon took the Big and Little Walder Freys down there shouting:
_"That is a Stark place!"_
Yeah I think your spot on, I think Bran wakes the stone giants potentially skin changing them to fight the Others while he sits in the gods wood, hence why he essentially did nothing in the HBO season 8 show, and I think some the foreshadowing for this is him skinchanging Hodor, this is basically what part 6 is all about, excellent comment!
Now that you mentioned the anthropomorphic description of Westeros, that reminded me of Ymir from norse mythologu
Love these theory videos man! Up there with LmL, I hope you continue making videos for a long time 😊
I hope so too!
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Thanks and great work.
I need to listen to it a few more times. There's a few ideas in here trying to drag me in different directions. However, do you have an interpretation for the splitting of the Umbers? Why Green boys and Greybeards? Hothor is leading the old men and Mors the Green boys. The Greybeards in Winterfell while the Greenboys join Stannis. It's kinda giving me Giants and CotF vibes.
Do you think there's a connection to be made between Theon and the little man in Old Nan's story? Theon escapes Winterfell to find himself being taken into the Blizzard and becomes a prisoner of Stannis.
To be perfectly honest I’m not sure at this stage, I’ll have to look into it, in part 6 I’ll be discussing Bran potentially skinchanging these stone giants in the same way he does with hodor, so my first thought is that we see green boys (bran a greenseer) and greybeards (the ancient Starks) associated with Mors umber, a one eyed symbolic giant who happens to be blowing his horn outside Winterfell but I’ll have to think on this
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I remember years ago hearing about Fionn Mac Cumhaill, looked on Google Earth at the Hill of Allen which was supposed to be his seat and I was sad to see the whole hill was quarried, just a big hole. It made me wonder what they found while digging or pretended not to find.
Great work Eldric!! ❤
Amazing
Cheers!
You knocked it out the park again
Thanks very much!
...If the descriptions of Gregor Clegane are meant to provide parallels to the stone army that is to rise and fight the others, that makes me /incredibly/ concerned about what the actual behaviour of the stone warriors is going to be. Gregor Clegane is among the most brutal and sadistic characters in ASOIAF, one who gleefully uses his strength and status as a means to hurt, torment and kill those weaker than himself, and HE'S our symbolically representative character for the invulnerable stone army?
You’ve picked up on something I’ll be bringing up at the end of this series, I don’t think this hero was a hero at all, he may have ended the long night but I think he caused it as well, Euron also shows us Azor ahai symbolism and certainly isn’t much of a hero to put it lightly lol
Little bit of an addition to the german „kings beneath a mountain“. They are called „Friedenskaiser“ or „Peace Emperor“, who when they rise again extend the holy roman empire to span the whole world, convert the heretics to christiandom and when that is done the end of the world (christian apocalypse and rise of the antichrist) begins. Furthermore the Barbarossa Kyffhäuser myth particularly reminds me of figures like Bloodraven as Barbarossa is said to be grown intertwined with his marble desk, has the ravens obviously and last but not least has dwarfs that scout for him wether the ravens are yet gone.
Excellent comment! The bloodraven comparison is perfect
Robert Strong same name as Robb Stark (Stark/strong in German). No way thats a coincidence.
Exactly right! Especially when we also see resurrected stone giants around the starks as well, George is definitely trying to tell us something
That blew my mind! I
Don't forget Thorin Oakenshield, King under the mountain.
I have seen here and there that Robert Strong's head may be the head of Rob Stark but I haven't seen any evidence of this other than the names. However I think that Rob's head would be the perfect head for a Frankenstein like undead. Rob was a (untrained) Warg, when his body died his consciousness went into Gray Wind and then died the true death when Grey Wind was killed. Robs head was empty with no mind or memories to contaminate the zombie. It would make the perfect undead servant with no memories from its past life so it would be a blank slate ready to take directions from its master, or rather maester. And yes wights keep their memories, at least enough of them to be useful. Othor remembered where Lord Commander Mormont slept, Beric kept most of his memories (losing more every time he was raised), Lady Stoneheart remembers who betrayed her son.
Yeah that’s an interesting thought, I’ll have to look further into this, cheers 🍻
The Ironborn!
And their leader is a Grey King! With Iron being one of the “metals of winter, dark and strong to fight against the cold”
Hmmm... I cant quite wrap my head around it but something about this video makes me think more of the black stone.
The odd shaped black stone with odd properties.
I can't put my thoughts into your theory at the moment because, well, "nanomachines, son."
There is too much of a gap between what the black stone could be in a sci fi setting to what the black stone could be in a high fantasy setting.
Yeah there is definitely a connection, I’m also not sure how it fits into the theory but it seems to be related in some way
Oh, btw. Find and read a copy of The Cairn on the Headlands by Robert E. Howard.
I’ll have a look around, always keen for a good recommendation, cheers 🍻
@@eldric.stoneskin I don't want to spoil it but I would be willing to bet George R. R. Martin probably read it and took some inspiration.
Love the way this guy says " stone "
Would there be any mentioning of the Jhogvin stone giants? They were dwelling the Bone mountains, which look very artificial on the map.
Yeah I’ll be bringing this up in part 6!
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ESS - what are your thoughts on the “great stone beast” in Dany’s vision in the HOTU in Quarth?
To be honest I’m not entirely sure, it’s a part that I haven’t quite figured out, but it does remind me of the “great winged snake whose roar was a river of flame” Bran witnesses escaping from Winterfell, a place we see a lot of foreshadowing for giant stone beings to wake from
And with all the suggestions throughout the books that dragons are said to be under Winterfell, the idea that a part of the prophecy is to wake the stone dragon, Winterfells even compared to Dragonstone which shows us waking stone dragons too, and we even see the gargoyles at Winterfell possibly representing dragons with their wings come to life as well
Pure speculation though to be honest but I wonder if there is a stone dragon down in the crypts align side Azor ahai as well
@@eldric.stoneskin Agreed. I wondered whether it may be a figurative reference to Jon as both a stone king of winter and a dragon (Targ).
I also am mystified by Bran’s vision as Summer over Winterfell. Initial assumption is that it had to be a Dragon (maybe Cannibal attracted by all the death there - but the timeline is off - Cannibal would be like 270, and even Balearion only lived to around 200 - although it’s possible as he was “wild”). I also wonder whether it’s Summer’s perspective of the Comet; being described in “wolf language”?
Keep up the amazing work. Groundbreaking original theory crafting at its finest my friend. 🙌
I hope the actual horn of winter had actually been something more like a war carnyx with the terrifying heads instead of the simple hollowed out bone horn they went with. Bone horns always sounded like warnings to me where as a carnyx sounds more like a terrifying but melodic call to war. If you don't believe me compare videos of each and see if your mind doesn't change too.
I’ve seen a video of one these being sounded, they look and sound amazing
@@eldric.stoneskin I know and think of how much better that would sound and look visually in any future reboots. Especially since westeros is based on the UK and at least to me wildlings sound like pre roman occupation celts. Heck the northerners are pretty much just post fall of Rome era England around the time the Vikings integrated into society.
So I was sitting making different medieval and Renaissance patterns for an English queen clothing exhibit and something crossed my mind.
William the Conquer =Aegon the Conquer
William the Second = Aenys( both kinda useless )
Jaeherys and Allisaine= Henry the II and Eleanor of Aquitaine ( except instead of separations he imprisoned her but she fought for her kids rights and both kings lost the heirs they had groomed to replace them gruesomely)
Viserys= Richard the Lionheart ( in the sense they we're loved but not really in touch with the country they ruled)
John Lackland= Daemon ( both actually did quite a bit for the country but the realm still hated them)
Richard the 3rd = Aenys II ( both were paranoid callous murders)
Robert Baratheon= his early reign resembles Henry VII in the winning a war , marrying a woman who family wasn't his alley until he was sure to win and becoming king because of a loose connection to the throne. His reign is actually similar to Henry the 8th with lots of women , tons of marital problems, put the country in a precarious position and died old drunk and fat.)
Had a couple of heirs follow them that either weren't old enough to actually rule and had bad counselors or just mucked it up further.
Then Elizabeth ascended the throne to bring in a golden era but with no heirs of her own her distant relative ascended after from cold War torn Scotland who just lost its own ruling family and was referred to as her beloved nephew. Kind of lines up with how daenerys and Jon may end up colliding. Either its food for thought or my history riddled mind has been listening to way to many ASOIAF theory videos. If it makes sense feel free to use it with my blessing.
We gonna get more vids champ?
Two more to go!
Another sleeping hero is Vlad "The Impaler" Dracula, yes THAT Dracula who inspired Bram Stoker.
Is that right? It’s amazing how wide spread this trope is! I can definitely believe that with Vlad the Impaler
i@@eldric.stoneskin it was very old Romanian folk tale that persisted up until the 1970's - that Vlad would rise again and save them. When a certain English actor was visiting the area to do a movie shooting, a very old peasant woman thought that he (because he looked like the the Ambras painting of Vlad) was Vlad come back to save her land from the hated Ceaușescu regime (at the time Cenusecu was not that good of a leader and was oppressing the Romanian people).
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I’m late man but I’ve rewatched all the videos, and I can rewatch em again cause I love your theories. Can’t wait for what else you have in store 🩶
Thanks very much!
I can't wait for what's next! Your videos are very well done!
Thank you so much!